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Messages - haranguerer

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Firstly, congrats to Fermanagh on their win and the deserved it thoroughly...Armagh were pathetic and got what they deserved.
Secondly, the ticket prices were a joke. I paid 24 to sit on the most uncomfortable D Rail timber fence ever...fecking joke.


I paid 30 in o'neills the morning of the game  :'(

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From my own point of view, my intention to referencing the cynicism of Fermanagh was simply to present it as an observation on my part - not a complaint. Armagh last night have too many concerns of our own to worry about what others do.

Our great team of the noughties had a reputation for cynicism, but my feeling would be it was not for trash talking or feigning injury, or indeed disrupting the opposition kick-outs by pinging a second football onto the pitch. Maybe others will disagree and point to some specific incident from 2007 that totally undermines what I said. Ho hum.

The behaviour yesterday from Fermanagh was no surprise given that McMenamin is in the management team.  it would have been poor enough with Gallagher in charge but McMenamin bring things to another level, to that previously was the preserve of his Tyrone teams.

In general the squad from 1999 to 2008 played a hard game and while blocking off the running player was a tactic and not against any rule, the players with the possible exception of Marty O'Rourke didn't bother with the trash talk that was so evident yesterday from the Fermanagh team.  They have taken the feigning of injury to a level that Tyrone have set since 2003.  While Grimley was stupid in swinging his arm, Quigley, who has serious form for cheating, fell to the ground instantly holding his face.

He got clocked in the face ffs  ;D

Armagh tackling was that indisciplined they were regularly making contact with the face. Yer man crealey was like a windmill, it was brutal. The reference on commentary re players going down referred to both teams - there'd been a good shot of murnin going down holding his face shortly before when no contact with it.

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Mackers/BCB. I feel it is harsh to lay all the blame at McGeeney's door even though he does bear some responsibility. Knowing ones involved with other counties McGeeney is actually more flexible than some inter county managers. Players also did play 3 of 4 club games in April and a few picked up injuries which will keep them out of the Fermanagh game.
The club draw for me was a bit of a farce as some clubs took it seriously and others just done enough to meet a quota. The draw was to build a training centre for the county teams. It will be quite a while before we know if building such a thing in Portadown is a good idea.
The biggest thing for me seems to be the amount of money wasted on development squads. This is probably a countrywide problem. I would prefer money spent on improving coaching in schools and clubs.

grugan and rafferty for a start,
for what its worth I think the club draw was a good idea because after you sold an agreed number you kept the majority of the money yourself , my own club put it as part of an enhanced dd scheme and it worked.
mc geeney gets bad press and I have my issues over his management but the players were pushing for the camp also and it was a carrot to get them buying into the promotion chase, sometimes its just easier to blame him.


This Grugan and Rafferty?

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/04/27/news/armagh-forwards-ethan-rafferty-and-rory-grugan-expected-to-be-fit-for-ulster-championship-showdown-against-fermanagh-1315242/

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General discussion / Re: New Car Advice
« on: May 16, 2018, 03:31:45 PM »
You've chosen to have white goods though, haven't you? Not as exciting as washing your clothes by hand I'm sure, but handy, no?

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: May 16, 2018, 01:57:09 PM »
That would give them a few years to work on giving the north back.

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Mackers/BCB. I feel it is harsh to lay all the blame at McGeeney's door even though he does bear some responsibility. Knowing ones involved with other counties McGeeney is actually more flexible than some inter county managers. Players also did play 3 of 4 club games in April and a few picked up injuries which will keep them out of the Fermanagh game.
The club draw for me was a bit of a farce as some clubs took it seriously and others just done enough to meet a quota. The draw was to build a training centre for the county teams. It will be quite a while before we know if building such a thing in Portadown is a good idea.
The biggest thing for me seems to be the amount of money wasted on development squads. This is probably a countrywide problem. I would prefer money spent on improving coaching in schools and clubs.

Who?

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When I think equality, I think housing, roads, jobs, healthcare, investment into catholic areas. That's what really matters to the vast majority. What use is a tri colour flying on City hall when people are living in an area of high unemployment, lack of housing and no investment?

And you don't think any of these are lacking?

Its all interconnected, equality isn't just a fanciful notion, it (and lack of it) permeates every aspect of our lives at all levels.

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I think in some cases Nationalists only realise they're being deprived of something because SF have highlighted it. Up until then, it wouldn't even have entered your head. The amount of people feeling outraged over this ILA is unbelievable. None of them have even bothered to learn Irish, yet they feel hard done by because SF told them they should.

Then SF poke the DUP bear with a stick over such issues and they of course say something stupid, and suddenly nationalists are even more outraged. But that is just the game SF and DUP play to keep people divided, and serves their purpose for existing.

As MR2 said, what is it that's missing for you? Will an ILA act really affect your everyday life? Gay marriage? A tricolour alongside a union fleg up on City hall? I seriously doubt it.

This betrays ignorance to such a level as to deem a constructive response pointless.

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: May 10, 2018, 11:39:51 AM »
I wouldn't imagine it was the DUP briefing her - that talk lets her off. Clearly deliberately misleading parliament is how I'd view it

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Well exactly, why bother discussing the vast majority of matches in the championship   ::)

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Haven't seen the article, but home advantage is about more than the fans. Fermanagh have a great record in Brewster, and always have more confidence there.

I reckon its a 50/50 game, but contrary to McEntees assertions (or at least your relaying of them  ;D), that Brewster will give us the slight edge needed. Looking forward to it.

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There is plenty of acknowledgement of irish history and culture.  Irish history is taught in catholic maintained schools, and state schools alike.  There are also Irish language programmes on BBCNI and Radio Ulster, or Radio 6 conties as wags on here call it.  You can also learn the Irish language and attend Irish dancing classes across NI, including in predominantly unionist areas.
As for my use of the word clamour, perhaps this was the wrong choice of word, but it is just a little odd that this has only relatively recently appeared on SF manifestos. I'm not sure what benefit would come from de-anglicising street / road names given the cost involved. Dual signs are already in existence on buses and street signs in many Nationalist areas. 
Given that the Union Jack is only flown on designated days on BCC buidings, and is not that evident on other goverment building elsewhere, I'm not sure how the parity with the Irish  flag would work.
Finally, there is also a great deal of cross-border cooperration on health and other matters.
The DUP, who are a shower of arseholes, however, really should refrain from slinging insults as you put it.  Despite being in bed with the Tories, however, they would really be the only ones who you could accuse of this.
There is also lots of funding now provided to improve facilities for Gaelic Games e.g. Ormeau Park and Cherryville GAA pitches provided by BCC, as well of lots of Sport NI funding for other club facilities.
As such, I would argue that there is alreadyplenty being done to promote the Irish identity as thing stand.  Not sure what is currently being denied.

And your opinion is fairly typical of unionists. But you don't see that in your protests is the evidence that there is nowhere near parity given to the half of our society that identify as Irish. We live in a society where British culture has aggressively been given prominence. There needs to a be a fundamental shift to give equal prominence to both cultures. The small moves you talk about are just that, small, and aren't even close to redressing the balance.

One simple example in relation to flags - a democratic decision was taken to only fly the UJ on designated days (in line with elsewhere in UK). What do you think would be the reaction if a decision was taken to fly the tricolour on certain other designated days? In a society of parity, it shouldn't be an issue, should it?

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General discussion / Re: Enniskillen Memorial
« on: May 10, 2018, 08:35:36 AM »
This situation is best summed up in a quotation from Cool Hand Luke:

"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

There should be a memorial for those who were killed on Remembrance Sunday in 1987.  It shouldn't have taken 10, 20 or 30 years before such a memorial was produced.  It should have been included in the building of the Clinton Centre and it should have been a simple dignified memorial, the design agreed with the families of those killed. Instead the situation has been allowed to fester and create wounds that will be very difficult to cure.

There is fault on both sides and perhaps more on the side that claims to represent a Christian faith that it has missed a major opportunity for reconciliation and peace making in the way set out in its many books of doctrine.

Utter shite Owen. Theres been a good few posts in the Arlene thread about it. The fault lies squarely at the door of those seeking to erect it, and now seeking to sectarianise it, in my book.

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: May 09, 2018, 04:09:10 PM »
Arlene has offered to help resolve the Enniskillen remembrance memorial. I assume she thinks that she is an honest broker!

Basically calling out the St Michael's trust to embarrass them.

What is the craic there alright?

Firstly I presume they gave the go ahead for a memorial in the first place as it would be bad manners for anyone to apply for something on someone else's property and then to pull the plug!

Is it to do with the size or wording on it as it being alluded to?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41922627

Originally planned for an area not owned by the trust. Transport NI objected as blocked a pavement, new site proposed last minute owned by church. Not suitable for there either, so church saying no. Funny not a word about Transport NI original objections, nor any effort to combat those, just the (even more valid) objections by the catholic church.

A disgusting effort to sectarianise this and smear the church imo, I hope they don't get their way.

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: May 09, 2018, 12:10:59 PM »
Its looks like a set category, lumped in with aircraft

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