Another super performance and result for Dundalk tonight.Its just over 40 years ago, mid Sept 1976,that I watched them draw 1-1 with a very good PSV Eindohoven team in the European Cup.
That team was managed by the legendary Jim Mc Laughlin, and the current manager Stephen Kenny is Mc Laughlin's only serious rival for best Irish club manager of all time
Win worth €360,000 for Dundalk
First Irish club to win European group game
The sporting achievement of the year in Ireland
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2016, 10:21:01 PM
The sporting achievement of the year in Ireland
Not if Mayo win on Saturday
Connacht would also be up there
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Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2016, 10:21:01 PM
The sporting achievement of the year in Ireland
Not if Mayo win on Saturday
Connacht would also be up there
Carl Frampton's win far greater
Frampton will never make it.
Fair play to Dundalk. They play attractive stuff too, fair play to them.
As for "greatest achievement" - that's subjective BS. Enjoy what they're doing and hopefully they see it out and get through.
Great win and could have been 2 or 3-0... Long may it continue lol
Quote from: seafoid on September 29, 2016, 10:44:35 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 29, 2016, 10:21:01 PM
The sporting achievement of the year in Ireland
Not if Mayo win on Saturday
Connacht would also be up there
Not if Cullyhanna beat Crossmaglean Rangers.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 29, 2016, 11:12:32 PM
Fair play to Dundalk. They play attractive stuff too, fair play to them.
As for "greatest achievement" - that's subjective BS. Enjoy what they're doing and hopefully they see it out and get through.
Agreed.
Fair play to Dundalk, some achievement considering the FAI's lack of interest.
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Frampton will never make it.
Flash in the pan...
What did he have for dinner this week MR? :P
Not fighting so i'd imagine plenty of carb, a Chinese with a few beers to wash it down!!
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 29, 2016, 11:12:32 PM
Fair play to Dundalk. They play attractive stuff too, fair play to them.
As for "greatest achievement" - that's subjective BS. Enjoy what they're doing and hopefully they see it out and get through.
Agreed.
Fair play to Dundalk, some achievement considering the FAI's lack of interest.
Agreed on most counts. I don't think the FAI have a lack of interest, considering what they're proposing to do to non-LOI grassroots youth clubs, in favour of generating academy-type structures at the LOI clubs. There was a Primetime programme about it last night, but i didn't see it yet.
Kilduff named in Europa League team of the week alongside Totti!
Really impressive performance from Dundalk, very unlucky not to get something from the game. Didn't look out of place against a top class zenit side.
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 20, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
Really impressive performance from Dundalk, very unlucky not to get something from the game. Didn't look out of place against a top class zenit side.
Bad error by the Goalie for Zeniths first goal.
Quote from: laoislad on October 20, 2016, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 20, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
Really impressive performance from Dundalk, very unlucky not to get something from the game. Didn't look out of place against a top class zenit side.
Bad error by the Goalie for Zeniths first goal.
Header off upright when 1 up as well and playing good football. Schedule a nightmare and does them a disservice.
FAI are looking worse and worse the further Dundalk go , fixture congestion means Dundalk were out on their feet at the end , league decider on Sunday too, imagine what they could do with a. It of support from Delaney & co.
Surely the introduction of summer football by the FAI has helped Dundalk and other clubs. i.e. Not having to playing qualifying games in pre-season like Irish League teams have to.
Quote from: michaelg on October 21, 2016, 07:16:02 AM
Surely the introduction of summer football by the FAI has helped Dundalk and other clubs. i.e. Not having to playing qualifying games in pre-season like Irish League teams have to.
Summer football is a double edged sword and was brought in by the FAI not for anything other than $$$.
There is the advantage of being mid season and arguably fresher when qualifying matches are on but the reciprocal of that is that if a team does qualify then the sheer madness of what Dundalk are going through now occurs- a game every 3 days more or less- madness!
The summer football decision was made with the thought process that noIrish team will qualify so we don't need to think that far.
When Dundalk & Rovers before them qualified ,the FAI have done/did nothing tangible to assist vis a vis fixtures , other clubs would assist I am sure.
LOI teams succeed inspite of the FAI as opposed to because of them, a shambolic corrupt old boys network is all the FAI is.
Credit where credit is due, fair play to the FAI for introducing Summer football, Fri n Say night fixtures etc. They have made strides in trying to progress the league. The next step is to put some more money in and assist teams that progress in Europe. Between Shamrock R and Dundalk the profile of the league has been raised and hopefully with some assistance qualifying could become a more regular occurrence
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If Delaney & the rest of his weasels think there is a few $$ in it for the "lads" they will help , if not they won't , it's as simple as that.
Anyone who has had even a passing interest in their local LOI club knows that this is the case.
I happened to watch the highlights of Clonmel Celtic versus Sheriff YC from 2015 on You Tube recently. Delaney was on beforehand bigging up what the FAI do and the fact that they allow the Junior Cup Final in the Aviva. I know the club here in Newport have received help from the FAI, and Delaney has been down a couple of times at openings etc.
Is it fair to say that the FAI do more for Junior Soccer than they do for the League of Ireland? Would they actually prefer a vibrant amateur junior scene, a lá the GAA, and leave the Pro stuff to the UK?
They certainly seem very slow to take a proactive position in the League.
QuoteI know the club here in Newport have received help from the FAI, and Delaney has been down a couple of times at openings etc.
That's more to do with his mate Mr Kelly's efforts at keeping his constituents happy than any strategic plan to grow the grass roots AZ. The only thing Delaney is interested in is Delaney
Quote from: Declan on October 21, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
QuoteI know the club here in Newport have received help from the FAI, and Delaney has been down a couple of times at openings etc.
That's more to do with his mate Mr Kelly's efforts at keeping his constituents happy than any strategic plan to grow the grass roots AZ. The only thing Delaney is interested in is Delaney
This post of Declan's is just typical of the divisive malicious gossip that surrounds the ego that is Delaney and poisons relations between fans and the association.
Last year the FAI in the prominent guise of CEO Delaney have generously supported Clones fc with a huge Eur 200k grant to construct dressing rooms.
The fact that the Clones 'stadium' will be renamed John Delaney Pk is purely a generous tribute from the grassroots to the unselfish, magnanimous and thankless task John provides (for a small salary renumeration) to the plain people of Ireland.
Quote from: Main Street on October 21, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Quote from: Declan on October 21, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
QuoteI know the club here in Newport have received help from the FAI, and Delaney has been down a couple of times at openings etc.
That's more to do with his mate Mr Kelly's efforts at keeping his constituents happy than any strategic plan to grow the grass roots AZ. The only thing Delaney is interested in is Delaney
This post of Declan's is just typical of the divisive malicious gossip that surrounds the ego that is Delaney and poisons relations between fans and the association.
Last year the FAI in the prominent guise of CEO Delaney have generously supported Clones fc with a huge Eur 200k grant to construct dressing rooms.
The fact that the Clones 'stadium' will be renamed John Delaney Pk is purely a generous tribute from the grassroots to the unselfish, magnanimous and thankless task John provides (for a small salary renumeration) to the plain people of Ireland.
Very well said , John Delaney, all for advancing football in Monaghan, o yes......
Well done to Dundalk, well deserved league champions. 3 in a row.
Great achievement . If they don't get team of the year at RTe sports review it is s disgrace .
Is this the best domestic Irish team of all time?
Great effort again tonight against zenit. A couple of individual errors cost Dundalk again but to lose 2-1 home and away to one of the favourites for the competition they can definitely hold their heads high. They have done themselves and the league credit again in Europe.
They are well capable of winning the last 2 games. Quality goal from Horgan.
Brilliant showing.
Terrible f**k up for the 2nd goal. Unlucky then hitting the bar a bit later. They've been excellent though. Still have a good chance to qualify though.
Thought before the match that tonight might be a big scoreline but Dundalk performed brilliantly again and still have it all to play for. Indeed they hit the woodwork twice and conceded two sloppy goals. If they can get at least a draw at home to Alkmaar and hope that Zenit don't down tools now that they've qualified, then they will go to Tel Aviv with it all to play for in the last match.
What kind of remuneration are the Dundalk players on - any full time or all part time?
Lots to play for. Potential to qualify from group still there.
Plus there is €120,000 on offer for every point gained. To put in perspective, the prize money for winning the Eirtricity Premier League is €110,000.
/Jim.
The craic is Man U are looking for Kenny to replace Maureen but he ain't interested...wants to stay with a team that's going somewhere 😂
Quote from: tyssam5 on November 03, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
What kind of remuneration are the Dundalk players on - any full time or all part time?
Not 100% on all of them. Some are semi-pro. McMillan, for example, is an architect but only works about 20-25 hours per week.
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Quote from: tyssam5 on November 03, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
What kind of remuneration are the Dundalk players on - any full time or all part time?
Not 100% on all of them. Some are semi-pro. McMillan, for example, is an architect but only works about 20-25 hours per week.
I think even the lads that are 'pro' wouldn't exactly be making much money on it although I suppose getting paid anything for playing ball is great.
As an aside, are these the only Irish lads seeing euro game time this season? Most of the Irish that play for Brit teams aren't in euro competitions - only one I can think of is Shane Long?
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Quote from: tyssam5 on November 03, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
What kind of remuneration are the Dundalk players on - any full time or all part time?
Not 100% on all of them. Some are semi-pro. McMillan, for example, is an architect but only works about 20-25 hours per week.
I think even the lads that are 'pro' wouldn't exactly be making much money on it although I suppose getting paid anything for playing ball is great.
As an aside, are these the only Irish lads seeing euro game time this season? Most of the Irish that play for Brit teams aren't in euro competitions - only one I can think of is Shane Long?
The pro players are only paid for the duration of the season , 40 weeks.. They have to either sign on or get temporary work when the season finishes. 4 month lay off, season starts in March.
Dundalk will probably be able to offer them a contract for the full 12 month,s after the financial lift from the European run.
Think Eoghan O Connell is in Celtics champions league Squad.
Great result for da town tonight in Moldova.
A home win against some boys from the Faroe Islands away from another go at the group stages. And €3million, which would be handy in the circumstances.
Those Faroes lads won 6-1 tonight though, so can't be bad.
Brillant result, watched extra time and the penalties and dundalk were well worth the win. Massive result.
They got absolutely humiliated tonight.
Red hot favourites for Thursday but that was wojus.
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
They made 10 changes from their strongest team so I would say no one is reading anything into that result bar a few jealous Shamrock Rovers fans!
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
They made 10 changes from their strongest team so I would say no one is reading anything into that result bar a few jealous Shamrock Rovers fans!
But we were told Dundalk had a squad for 60 games. They had a full international and numerous underage ones out there. A lot of Dundalk fans on social media are questioning the overall policy of the club in having 30 pros if the bench is that poor.
Regardless its an alarming regression since Kenny left.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
Win the Europa League and you don't need to worry about qualifying through the Airtricity League for next year ???
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 28, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
Win the Europa League and you don't need to worry about qualifying through the Airtricity League for next year ???
Wouldn't surprise me if the owners are thinking like that. Remember they formally instructed Perth to have the goalkeepers take corners.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 28, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
Win the Europa League and you don't need to worry about qualifying through the Airtricity League for next year ???
Dundalk's opponents KI had their scheduled sunday game postponed.
The game last night should have been postponed no question that, it was the height of FAI ignorance to go ahead as Dundalk were always going to field a 2nd string team and allow Rovers take unfair advantage to stretch their lead over Bohs. Dundalk have games in hand and should finish 3rd, or win the FAI cup, both a tad easier tasks than winning the EL.
Quote from: Main Street on September 28, 2020, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 28, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
Win the Europa League and you don't need to worry about qualifying through the Airtricity League for next year ???
Dundalk's opponents KI had their scheduled sunday game postponed.
The game last night should have been postponed no question that, it was the height of FAI ignorance to go ahead as Dundalk were always going to field a 2nd string team and allow Rovers take unfair advantage to stretch their lead over Bohs. Dundalk have games in hand and should finish 3rd, or win the FAI cup, both a tad easier tasks than winning the EL.
A full time outfit with 30+ players should be able to cope with Thursday Sunday Thursday. Rovers played 4 games in 15 days and aren't whining.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 28, 2020, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 28, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
Win the Europa League and you don't need to worry about qualifying through the Airtricity League for next year ???
Dundalk's opponents KI had their scheduled sunday game postponed.
The game last night should have been postponed no question that, it was the height of FAI ignorance to go ahead as Dundalk were always going to field a 2nd string team and allow Rovers take unfair advantage to stretch their lead over Bohs. Dundalk have games in hand and should finish 3rd, or win the FAI cup, both a tad easier tasks than winning the EL.
A full time outfit with 30+ players should be able to cope with Thursday Sunday Thursday. Rovers played 4 games in 15 days and aren't whining.
The reactionary gobs. replies. Who gives a flying fck about Shamrock Rovers or whether they whine or not. Nobody is talking about that bunch, seeing as they barely got past a dud Baltic outfit on the 20th penalty kick and then bow out of Europe at their first real hurdle.
Dundalk are the last remaining LOI team in europe, now in the EL play offs. Probably the last ever LOI team to make it this far in future and have this golden opportunity to make the group stages of the EL.
Quote from: Main Street on September 28, 2020, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 28, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 28, 2020, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 28, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 27, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Had they their strongest team on considering the amount at stake on Thursday and was the league not more or less over anyway?
They are out of the Europan spots at the moment. If they lose on Thursday and finish 4th that will be a cataclysmic call.
Definitely not a first team, but still a few international players out there. Two played for England underage. That was still a shambles.
Win the Europa League and you don't need to worry about qualifying through the Airtricity League for next year ???
Dundalk's opponents KI had their scheduled sunday game postponed.
The game last night should have been postponed no question that, it was the height of FAI ignorance to go ahead as Dundalk were always going to field a 2nd string team and allow Rovers take unfair advantage to stretch their lead over Bohs. Dundalk have games in hand and should finish 3rd, or win the FAI cup, both a tad easier tasks than winning the EL.
A full time outfit with 30+ players should be able to cope with Thursday Sunday Thursday. Rovers played 4 games in 15 days and aren't whining.
The reactionary gobs. replies. Who gives a flying fck about Shamrock Rovers or whether they whine or not. Nobody is talking about that bunch, seeing as they barely got past a dud Baltic outfit on the 20th penalty kick and then bow out of Europe at their first real hurdle.
Dundalk are the last remaining LOI team in europe, now in the EL play offs. Probably the last ever LOI team to make it this far in future and have this golden opportunity to make the group stages of the EL.
Its Dundalk doing the whining...
So Baile, you reckon Dundalk are so much better than Shams that their B team should beat them. Doesn't say much for the Shams.
I'm sure Dundalk would happily take a 4 nil defeat to rovers for a place in the Europa league and 3 to 4m euro in the kitty.
Quote from: Itchy on September 28, 2020, 09:41:22 PM
So Baile, you reckon Dundalk are so much better than Shams that their B team should beat them. Doesn't say much for the Shams.
I'm sure Dundalk would happily take a 4 nil defeat to rovers for a place in the Europa league and 3 to 4m euro in the kitty.
No. I 'reckon' a full time outfit can easily handle a Thursday, Sunday, Thursday set of games. Dundalk put out a very expensively assembled second string, got whacked, and rather than talk about why their fringe players, including a US full international and a number of English, Irish and IFA underage international players, got smashed the narrative is how unfair it is they had to play. While ignoring that it was Rovers 4th game in 2 weeks.
I would strongly suspect that Dundalk XI's wagebill is in or around the one Rovers put out. Instead of discussing Dundalks recruitment policy and lack of talent coming through we are being directed towards some alledged unfairness. It's blatant spin and bullshit designed to paper over Dundalks regression.
Fair play to them for being where they are, but remember they lost 3-0 in the CL to a Slovenianside, beat an Andorran side 1-0 and a Moldovan team on penalties. If they beat a Faroese side they get group football. It was handed to them on a plate and they are still wobbling along. This they know.
Surely Dundalk will get through against a team from the Faroe Islands? I know they had a big win against Tblisi but they can't really be that good can they?
1 up
These boys look a handy side. If they get to thus stage they're decent
ki beat Bratislava 3-0 this year a team that Dundalk lost 4-1 on agg last year. they were 4/1 at kick off... not looking great now
2-0. Goalkeeper was awful on that corner.
3-1 now. 3rd goal came at the right time, they were under pressure for a bit before that.
That's a black and white result.
Great to see
Great result. Got it tight a bit in the second half, but the goals definitely came at the right times.
I'm sure the money and the six big games to look forward to will go some way to compensating for the loss of the half league* to Rovers.
Fantastic achievement fair play to them.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 01, 2020, 08:25:10 PM
ki beat Bratislava 3-0 this year a team that Dundalk lost 4-1 on agg last year. they were 4/1 at kick off... not looking great now
Bratislava was a Covid walkover
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
At 2-1 they missed an excellent chance to equalise and dundalk scored from the counter. Nothing easy about it.
Quote from: Itchy on October 01, 2020, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
At 2-1 they missed an excellent chance to equalise and dundalk scored from the counter. Nothing easy about it.
definitely nothing easy about that, ki were putting dundalk under big pressure at 2-1 and the 3rd goal came at a time were dundalk were hanging on. Great battling win, thought it was a good game especially with what was at stake for both teams.
Quote from: Itchy on October 01, 2020, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
At 2-1 they missed an excellent chance to equalise and dundalk scored from the counter. Nothing easy about it.
They missed. Dundalk countered. My point exactly
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 01, 2020, 09:28:26 PM
Great result. Got it tight a bit in the second half, but the goals definitely came at the right times.
I'm sure the money and the six big games to look forward to will go some way to compensating for the loss of the half league* to Rovers.
If Rovers title gets an * does Dundalks qualification? Beating a team from Andorra, the Faroes and drawing in Moldova. Must be the easiest qualification for group stages ever.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 01, 2020, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
At 2-1 they missed an excellent chance to equalise and dundalk scored from the counter. Nothing easy about it.
They missed. Dundalk countered. My point exactly
Your point was dundalk handled them with ease, anyone who watched the game knows that's horse poo.
Quote from: Itchy on October 01, 2020, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 01, 2020, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
At 2-1 they missed an excellent chance to equalise and dundalk scored from the counter. Nothing easy about it.
They missed. Dundalk countered. My point exactly
Your point was dundalk handled them with ease, anyone who watched the game knows that's horse poo.
KI started well, Dundalk scored and saw the game out. KI were excellent at getting the ball into the box but terrible at everything else. Dundalk had another gear or two they didn't need. They would struggle in the 1st division which makes the Tiblisi result all the more bizarre.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 01, 2020, 09:28:26 PM
Great result. Got it tight a bit in the second half, but the goals definitely came at the right times.
I'm sure the money and the six big games to look forward to will go some way to compensating for the loss of the half league* to Rovers.
If Rovers title gets an * does Dundalks qualification? Beating a team from Andorra, the Faroes and drawing in Moldova. Must be the easiest qualification for group stages ever.
Its a bit like Dublin playing Longford Carlow and Laois to get to a Leinster final.
Dundalk were smart enough to take these opponents seriously and rest the whole first team after their return from Moldova, even if on paper this game looked a dead cert. Dundalk had to work hard for this win, it could have been a much different proposition had the KI goalie not let in 2 soft goals.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Despite the Tiblisi 6-1 win with 30% possession they were poor and Dundalk handled them with ease.
Dinamo Tbilisi used to be one of the strongest teams in the Soviet Union. They won the Cup Wnners Cup about 40 years ago.
Dundalk drawn with arsenal in the group stage draw
Arsenal, Rapid Vienna, Molde.
Leaving aside the obvious crack that they are well used to Molde in Oriel, thats not a bad draw. Points there.
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Guaranteed 3 million Euro for Dundalk which will go a long way in LOI even if they were to lose every game. A win get an additional 600,000 and a draw get an additional 200,000
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
No. They are owned by a hedge fund who like a divedend. This means they are a healthy investment again.
They bank European money, pay themselves and use the money to outspend the league. The question is what will they do if they fail to qualify or fall out early 2/3 years on the spin.
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
It's a pity their ground doesn't meet the relevant standards to allow them to play home matches in deh town
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories
Need to have a Cat 4 ground to host Europa League games. Capacity is only one of a load of criteria. Oriel would fall short in many areas.
They'd need a new build stadium if they ever wanted to host big European ties in the town. But I'm not sure investing in club infrastructure features prominently in the Yanks' business model.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
At this stage they need a Category 3 stadium. So as it has terracing, not enough seats, not enough parking, not enough vip seats, too small a press box, no tv studio, not enough tv gantries, no cctv and a host of other shortcomings.
Tallaght and the RDS are the only category 3 stadia with LR and Windsor category 4.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories
Need to have a Cat 4 ground to host Europa League games. Capacity is only one of a load of criteria. Oriel would fall short in many areas.
They'd need a new build stadium if they ever wanted to host big European ties in the town. But I'm not sure investing in club infrastructure features prominently in the Yanks' business model.
Cat 3 or 4, but agree with your thrust
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories
Need to have a Cat 4 ground to host Europa League games. Capacity is only one of a load of criteria. Oriel would fall short in many areas.
They'd need a new build stadium if they ever wanted to host big European ties in the town. But I'm not sure investing in club infrastructure features prominently in the Yanks' business model.
Cat 3 or 4, but agree with your thrust
Cat 4 from the Group Stage according to this:
https://documents.uefa.com/reader/QkpIwlMTBDPJUAZTt6eBCw/Cbqut~tOrQtcNQn~mIxffg
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories
Need to have a Cat 4 ground to host Europa League games. Capacity is only one of a load of criteria. Oriel would fall short in many areas.
They'd need a new build stadium if they ever wanted to host big European ties in the town. But I'm not sure investing in club infrastructure features prominently in the Yanks' business model.
Cat 3 or 4, but agree with your thrust
Cat 4 from the Group Stage according to this:
https://documents.uefa.com/reader/QkpIwlMTBDPJUAZTt6eBCw/Cbqut~tOrQtcNQn~mIxffg
Tallaght is cat 3 and has been used twice
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
Quote from: michaelg on October 03, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I think all clubs will be feeling the pinch these days regardless of the Euro money. I presume there'll be a lack of sponsorship coming in now as companies will not be risking money that they might need to keep afloat over the next few months.
Quote from: marty34 on October 03, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: michaelg on October 03, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I think all clubs will be feeling the pinch these days regardless of the Euro money. I presume there'll be a lack of sponsorship coming in now as companies will not be risking money that they might need to keep afloat over the next few months.
Chat of 40 to 60 Irish League games live on BBC NI which might be of interest to some businesses. As you say, I would imagine most businesses will be belt-tightening though for forseeable.
Football clubs all round the place are going to hit very hard times from the top right down. Probably more the more professional ones too with the big wage bills.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
There is no "we are in agreement" what planet are you on? ;D
Unless you have suddenly realised you were spoofing your head off about Dundalk having a Eur3m cash reserve in 2020. As well as not realising that the new club owners did not get the club, lock stock and barrel for free. They have spent a considerable anmount of money to purchase the club in jan 2019, have watched it lose Eur 1.2m in the first year and in 2020 probably another 1.2m. - Eur2m And unless the club qualified for the EL group stage the owners were expected to pump money into this leaky vessel and still have a crap stadium with an unwinningiest team.
Quote from: michaelg on October 03, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I agree its risky, but Dundalk are far better placed to qualify for and progress into Europe than Crusaders.
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
There is no "we are in agreement" what planet are you on? ;D
Unless you have suddenly realised you were spoofing your head off about Dundalk having a Eur3m cash reserve in 2020. As well as not realising that the new club owners did not get the club, lock stock and barrel for free. They have spent a considerable anmount of money to purchase the club in jan 2019, have watched it lose Eur 1.2m in the first year and in 2020 probably another 1.2m. - Eur2m And unless the club qualified for the EL group stage the owners were expected to pump money into this leaky vessel and still have a crap stadium with an unwinningiest team.
Try reading what I said, not the strawman you want me to have said.
Dundalks losses are accountimg losses. They had more than sufficient cash in the bank to cover them and indeed thats the business plan. A good year in Europe covers two bad years. Reduce the two to one or none and they can take more profit while increasing the wage bill.
Completely agree the stadium is a disgrace and they have no intention of even maintaining it rather than improving.
But back to my original point. They are way behind Rovers on and off the pitch at the moment and probably got the softest ever route to group football. They should get Europe this year but its not guaranteed. Their business model was very lucky this season especially with the farces upstairs. This manager might actually be ok and seems to have steadied the ship. Their recruitment has been dire and needs significant improvement.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories
Need to have a Cat 4 ground to host Europa League games. Capacity is only one of a load of criteria. Oriel would fall short in many areas.
They'd need a new build stadium if they ever wanted to host big European ties in the town. But I'm not sure investing in club infrastructure features prominently in the Yanks' business model.
Cat 3 or 4, but agree with your thrust
Cat 4 from the Group Stage according to this:
https://documents.uefa.com/reader/QkpIwlMTBDPJUAZTt6eBCw/Cbqut~tOrQtcNQn~mIxffg
Tallaght is cat 3 and has been used twice
Perhaps the rules have changed since 2016. Their three home games this year will be in the Aviva, a Cat 4 stadium.
Doesn't really matter, I suppose. Reality is that they're unlikely to ever again host a big European game in the town, especially under the current ownership. Maybe if the local council offered to build them a stadium, though...
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 03, 2020, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on October 02, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on October 02, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
On which points does it fail to pass? Without fans could they not be hosting these home games at their own ground now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_stadium_categories
Need to have a Cat 4 ground to host Europa League games. Capacity is only one of a load of criteria. Oriel would fall short in many areas.
They'd need a new build stadium if they ever wanted to host big European ties in the town. But I'm not sure investing in club infrastructure features prominently in the Yanks' business model.
Cat 3 or 4, but agree with your thrust
Cat 4 from the Group Stage according to this:
https://documents.uefa.com/reader/QkpIwlMTBDPJUAZTt6eBCw/Cbqut~tOrQtcNQn~mIxffg
Tallaght is cat 3 and has been used twice
Perhaps the rules have changed since 2016. Their three home games this year will be in the Aviva, a Cat 4 stadium.
Doesn't really matter, I suppose. Reality is that they're unlikely to ever again host a big European game in the town, especially under the current ownership. Maybe if the local council offered to build them a stadium, though...
They aren't in Tallaght because Rovers are using it, it was their preferred choice.
Louth CC and DKIT explored a municipal stadium but the GAA weren't interested so it fell apart.
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Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I agree its risky, but Dundalk are far better placed to qualify for and progress into Europe than Crusaders.
Not sure I agree. Although there is a bit more money in the Irish League these days (Glens and Larne), Crusaders still have a strong chance of Euro qualification each year. Would there not be more LOI teams realistically competing for the Euro spots? Also, not sure how the seeding works but if Dundalk draw Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray etc, I would not have fancy their chances of progressing to group stages every year.
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Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I agree its risky, but Dundalk are far better placed to qualify for and progress into Europe than Crusaders.
Not sure I agree. Although there is a bit more money in the Irish League these days (Glens and Larne), Crusaders still have a strong chance of Euro qualification each year. Would there not be more LOI teams realistically competing for the Euro spots? Also, not sure how the seeding works but if Dundalk draw Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray etc, I would not have fancy their chances of progressing to group stages every year.
The Champions route of the EL is designed to give those who parachute down a piss easy run
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Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I agree its risky, but Dundalk are far better placed to qualify for and progress into Europe than Crusaders.
Not sure I agree. Although there is a bit more money in the Irish League these days (Glens and Larne), Crusaders still have a strong chance of Euro qualification each year. Would there not be more LOI teams realistically competing for the Euro spots? Also, not sure how the seeding works but if Dundalk draw Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray etc, I would not have fancy their chances of progressing to group stages every year.
The Champions route of the EL is designed to give those who parachute down a piss easy run
Fair enough, but that's a crock of shite that it's set up like that. Out shoshould mean out! Be interesting to see how Irish teams get on, LOI and IL, in the new 3rd UEFA tournament being added soon.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:09:35 PM
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Quote from: michaelg on October 03, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
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Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I agree its risky, but Dundalk are far better placed to qualify for and progress into Europe than Crusaders.
Not sure I agree. Although there is a bit more money in the Irish League these days (Glens and Larne), Crusaders still have a strong chance of Euro qualification each year. Would there not be more LOI teams realistically competing for the Euro spots? Also, not sure how the seeding works but if Dundalk draw Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray etc, I would not have fancy their chances of progressing to group stages every year.
The Champions route of the EL is designed to give those who parachute down a piss easy run
Fair enough, but that's a crock of shite that it's set up like that. Out shoshould mean out! Be interesting to see how Irish teams get on, LOI and IL, in the new 3rd UEFA tournament being added soon.
The whole thing is beimg jiggered to balance football back from the top leagues and I welcome that. It is now essentially guaranteed that a couple of LoI clubs make the third competitions group stages every year with a couple of million in prize money. But that has to be balanced with the EL being closed off - no more games against Milan or Juve
The nordies are way behind but its not beyond them. That would radically change football in the Belfast and district league.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: michaelg on October 03, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
Rather risky business model. The Euro money is a bit of a double edged sword. Crusaders up North seem to have become quite reliant on it and may be fairly snookered if they miss out on Euro qualification, and progression, for a season or two.
I agree its risky, but Dundalk are far better placed to qualify for and progress into Europe than Crusaders.
Not sure I agree. Although there is a bit more money in the Irish League these days (Glens and Larne), Crusaders still have a strong chance of Euro qualification each year. Would there not be more LOI teams realistically competing for the Euro spots? Also, not sure how the seeding works but if Dundalk draw Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray etc, I would not have fancy their chances of progressing to group stages every year.
The Champions route of the EL is designed to give those who parachute down a piss easy run
Fair enough, but that's a crock of shite that it's set up like that. Out shoshould mean out! Be interesting to see how Irish teams get on, LOI and IL, in the new 3rd UEFA tournament being added soon.
The whole thing is beimg jiggered to balance football back from the top leagues and I welcome that. It is now essentially guaranteed that a couple of LoI clubs make the third competitions group stages every year with a couple of million in prize money. But that has to be balanced with the EL being closed off - no more games against Milan or Juve
The nordies are way behind but its not beyond them. That would radically change football in the Belfast and district league.
Things were changing and fast improving in the Irish League pre Corona. i.e. More money and attendances on the rise. Let's hope the clubs in NI don't over extend themselves like the ROI where clubs seem to go to the wall much more readily.
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Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 03, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 02, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 02, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 02, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Dundalk will be fortunate to get one or two draws in that group, though good that there's no expensive 10 hour journeys to the depths of east Europe.
The money earned so far will just balance out their accounts over the past 2 seasons, ease the panic of the investors.
Haven't followed too closely.
Have Dundalk overextended themselves?
It's public knowledge that they have recorded big losses in their annual accounts.
The submitted club accounts record a
"total loss of €681,467 for the year ending November 30, 2018"
"total loss for the year ending nov 2019 €1,226,000"
And although the loss has not been accounted for yet in 2020, the owners have paid the full time salaries of the contracted players since the league went into pause in March and I assume many of those player contracts are the highest in the LOI.
It's a fair statement to claim Dundalks losses are considerable, that's the reson why the ultimatum was laid down to new coaching team to qualify for the Europa leage group stage, or else.
And the four years before that?
They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front.
They had 3m in cash reserves before the losses of 2018, 2019. And what was in reserve at the end of 2019 season (about 1m) had been eroded by a variety of expenditures before the new season began and maintaining 100% cost of all employee contracts, in a time with very little income until euro competition in sept. The owners were most desperate to get into the europa group stage. It's not clear exactly when most of that 3m will be paid out, but usually some time after the competition has concluded. Even before covid theDundalk budget was dependant on success in europe.
When the new owners purchased the club in jan 2019, do you think all the assets including any cash reserves, were purchased for free? Since the group made the initial investment to acquire the club, ithe club has bleeded money.
I think we are in agreement here. They build up cash from Europe, run at 'a loss', build up cash from Europe and so on. Their business model relies on at least 6 games in Europe which they didn't do last year
There is no "we are in agreement" what planet are you on? ;D
Unless you have suddenly realised you were spoofing your head off about Dundalk having a Eur3m cash reserve in 2020. As well as not realising that the new club owners did not get the club, lock stock and barrel for free. They have spent a considerable anmount of money to purchase the club in jan 2019, have watched it lose Eur 1.2m in the first year and in 2020 probably another 1.2m. - Eur2m And unless the club qualified for the EL group stage the owners were expected to pump money into this leaky vessel and still have a crap stadium with an unwinningiest team.
Try reading what I said, not the strawman you want me to have said.
I read it,
you wrote
"They have cash in bank to cover operational losses (as in less than 3 Euro rounds) and the 3m will cover a couple of lean years on that front." and it's patent bull, there was no Eur3m in the Dundalk bank account. They had Eur1.2m at the end of 2019 season and that bank account was overdrawn by the time the league resumed in the autumn.
QuoteDundalks losses are accountimg losses. They had more than sufficient cash in the bank to cover them and indeed thats the business plan. A good year in Europe covers two bad years. Reduce the two to one or none and they can take more profit while increasing the wage bill.
You are vainly trying to present nonsense as something plausible.
There is a Dundalk fc account and there are owners of that account.
No matter how many times you parrot the figure of Eur 3m cash reserves, the Dundalk fc bank account - actual cash - was minus before the EL campaign. They had endured real losses due to expenditure >income, in 2018, 2019 and 2020.
The company accounts of new owners Peak, who who had paid millions to purchase Dundalk fc, have suffered losses since taking over in jan 2019, approx Eur2m -2,5m losses
In september 2020, not only was the Dundalk fc bank account depleted but the owners Peak have lost about Eur2.5m since jan 2019.
And Peak's initial huge investment was well down the road to further write offs.
Dundalk's only escape was to qualify for the EL proper.
Therefore, the order from Peak was to qualify for the EL group stage or else Dundalk fc were fcked.
Dundalk 1-0 up at half time. Great cross by the Bohola man John Mountney to set up the goal
Nice tidy stadium in Molde
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Moldestadion.jpg/800px-Moldestadion.jpg)
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 22, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Dundalk 1-0 up at half time. Great cross by the Bohola man John Mountney to set up the goal
Did they go down 3-1 in the end?
Watched a bit on BT, Molde the better team but Dundalk had a few chances to equalise at 2-1 but Molde get the third. Stopped watching after that.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 23, 2020, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 22, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Dundalk 1-0 up at half time. Great cross by the Bohola man John Mountney to set up the goal
Did they go down 3-1 in the end?
Watched a bit on BT, Molde the better team but Dundalk had a few chances to equalise at 2-1 but Molde get the third. Stopped watching after that.
I think you may have fallen asleep at 2-1, and had a dream that Molde scored a 3rd.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 23, 2020, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 22, 2020, 06:40:58 PM
Dundalk 1-0 up at half time. Great cross by the Bohola man John Mountney to set up the goal
Did they go down 3-1 in the end?
Watched a bit on BT, Molde the better team but Dundalk had a few chances to equalise at 2-1 but Molde get the third. Stopped watching after that.
watched most of the match, must've missed that molde 3rd goal you seen. Finished 2-1 in the match I watched 🤔
Dundalk lost again to Waterford this time. They are under serious pressure for third now with their dire form. Thry flattered to decieve with a very easy path to the EL and are miles behind Rovers on and off the pitch.
Solid for 40 minutes. Arsenal not creating much. Then let down by a couple of self inflicted wounds to let the game get away from them. Could be a messy second half.
1st club in europa league history not to commit a foul in the entire 90 mins. Not something you see very often especially from an underdog.
1-1 after 25 minutes. Took the lead but keeper really should have done better for the equaliser.
Finished 4-3 to Vienna in the end. A good performance from Dundalk.
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 05, 2020, 08:03:42 PM
Finished 4-3 to Vienna in the end. A good performance from Dundalk.
dundalk gave a good account of themselves, disappointing a couple of goalkeeping errors cost them getting maybe at least a point..
Did they drop their regular keeper tonight or was he injured?
Dropped him as far as I know.
They played very well but McCarey should have saved 2 of the goals. They give away some very poor goals in Europe, happened in 16 as well . Gary Rogers made a clanger against Arsenal in the last game.
Not like it wonder goals that's costing them. Basic mistakes
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 05, 2020, 10:31:41 PM
Dropped him as far as I know.
His second start. 8 goals conceded. Gartland, Dundalks motm v Arsenal also dropped.
Almost as if a kids manager appointed for being a yes man isn't up to it.
Just 10-0 ahead in this cup semi final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 29, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
Just 10-0 ahead in this cup semi final.
Still 15 minutes to go.
I see the Jordan Flores goal v Shamrock Rovers is nominated by FIFA for goal of the year. That seems such a long time ago when fans were at games.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 29, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
Just 10-0 ahead in this cup semi final.
I grew up in Athlone, big team in the eighties, drew 0 all with AC Milan in the European cup in St Mels Park. Men against boys tonight, would feel for Adrian Carberry tonight, his younger brother played for the Rossies.
Hon the Lilywhites. Hon Dundalk.
Good final considering the ropey looking surface. Some consolation for the loss of the half league*.
Europa League campaign over. Played 6,lost 6, scored 8 conceded 19.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2020, 07:53:07 PM
Europa League campaign over. Played 6,lost 6, scored 8 conceded 19.
Dundalk need a new goalkeeper
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2020, 07:53:07 PM
Europa League campaign over. Played 6,lost 6, scored 8 conceded 19.
Good enough for the fu"kers, beatin a team of 18 year olds 11-0. They could have eased off a bit, but no we have to hammer the living sh"te out of these Athlone gasuns, break their spirit.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on December 06, 2020, 09:52:58 PM
Good final considering the ropey looking surface. Some consolation for the loss of the half league*.
So a half cup by that logic.
Hoare joins Rovers, one of the 18 out of contract. Magilton has a busy week ahead of him.
The circus continues. Three individuals using the press to announce they are the manager and the club confirming the team will be picked by committee.
Presidents Cup this evening free on watchloi. I can see Dundalk getting a hammering.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 12:39:41 PM
The circus continues. Three individuals using the press to announce they are the manager and the club confirming the team will be picked by committee.
Presidents Cup this evening free on watchloi. I can see Dundalk getting a hammering.
Egg a plenty on your face ;D
10 Dundalk men put SR to the sword. A weak title defense beckons, truly atrocious performance by SR this evening.
Quote from: Main Street on March 12, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 12:39:41 PM
The circus continues. Three individuals using the press to announce they are the manager and the club confirming the team will be picked by committee.
Presidents Cup this evening free on watchloi. I can see Dundalk getting a hammering.
Egg a plenty on your face ;D
10 Dundalk men put SR to the sword. A weak title defense beckons, truly atrocious performance by SR this evening.
;D
Quote from: Main Street on March 12, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 12:39:41 PM
The circus continues. Three individuals using the press to announce they are the manager and the club confirming the team will be picked by committee.
Presidents Cup this evening free on watchloi. I can see Dundalk getting a hammering.
Egg a plenty on your face ;D
10 Dundalk men put SR to the sword. A weak title defense beckons, truly atrocious performance by SR this evening.
We must have watched a different game. Rovers were the far better side. Hit the post twice.
https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1370495652854108160?s=09
Dundalk playing for penalties with 20 mins to go.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 12, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 12:39:41 PM
The circus continues. Three individuals using the press to announce they are the manager and the club confirming the team will be picked by committee.
Presidents Cup this evening free on watchloi. I can see Dundalk getting a hammering.
Egg a plenty on your face ;D
10 Dundalk men put SR to the sword. A weak title defense beckons, truly atrocious performance by SR this evening.
We must have watched a different game. Rovers were the far better side. Hit the post twice.
https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1370495652854108160?s=09
Dundalk playing for penalties with 20 mins to go.
They played the last 30 minutes with 10 men. Of course Shamrock Rovers are going to dominate with an extra man. If you've had a player sent off then playing for penalties is a perfectly reasonable tactic. Says more about Shamrock Rovers that they couldn't beat them playing against 10 men
SRFC got lucky with the shortened season last year. They don't have a decent striker, but with fewer games and Dundalk imploding they got away with it. It'll be a different story this year
Quote from: dublin7 on March 12, 2021, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 12, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 12:39:41 PM
The circus continues. Three individuals using the press to announce they are the manager and the club confirming the team will be picked by committee.
Presidents Cup this evening free on watchloi. I can see Dundalk getting a hammering.
Egg a plenty on your face ;D
10 Dundalk men put SR to the sword. A weak title defense beckons, truly atrocious performance by SR this evening.
We must have watched a different game. Rovers were the far better side. Hit the post twice.
https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1370495652854108160?s=09
Dundalk playing for penalties with 20 mins to go.
They played the last 30 minutes with 10 men. Of course Shamrock Rovers are going to dominate with an extra man. If you've had a player sent off then playing for penalties is a perfectly reasonable tactic. Says more about Shamrock Rovers that they couldn't beat them playing against 10 men
SRFC got lucky with the shortened season last year. They don't have a decent striker, but with fewer games and Dundalk imploding they got away with it. It'll be a different story this year
The point is that Dundalk were played off the park in an admittedly glorified pre season game. I don't see that Dundalk side winning the league. The Latvian fella showed flashes but those signings are not better than what they replaced
Rovers won an 18 game league by 11 points. That wasn't luck. They are clearly the team to catch.
Regardless, take a bow.
https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1370479293223084039?s=19
If you had any sense BB you'd stay away from the slagging and prediction game. You'll only end up having to back slide with a plethora of excuses. After diving deep to dig up the Dundalk thread, you have only managed to embarrass yourself yet again.
Stick to the LOI thread or start a Shamrock Rovers thread if you wish, a thread where one wouldn't notice such shortcomings.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 12, 2021, 11:46:41 PM
Regardless, take a bow.
https://twitter.com/ShamrockRovers/status/1370479293223084039?s=19
Fabulous goal.
Quote from: Main Street on March 13, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
If you had any sense BB you'd stay away from the slagging and prediction game. You'll only end up having to back slide with a plethora of excuses. After diving deep to dig up the Dundalk thread, you have only managed to embarrass yourself yet again.
Stick to the LOI thread or start a Shamrock Rovers thread if you wish, a thread where one wouldn't notice such shortcomings.
Speaking of shortcomings, have Dundalk enough to not get relegated?