Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Milltown Row2]

So that's a no?

No point then in discussing it

[PadraicHenryPearse]

So that's a no?

No point then in discussing it

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

[armaghniac]

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

If Oct 7th didn't happen then almost all of those 30 thousand people would indeed still be alive.

[JoG2]

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

If Oct 7th didn't happen then almost all of those 30 thousand people would indeed still be alive.

You could go back to many many dates and many many incidents carried out by Israel and almost all of those 30 thousand people would still be alive

[Armagh18]

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

If Oct 7th didn't happen then almost all of those 30 thousand people would indeed still be alive.

You could go back to many many dates and many many incidents carried out by Israel and almost all of those 30 thousand people would still be alive

Or back to WW2 and the Brits..

[armaghniac]

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

If Oct 7th didn't happen then almost all of those 30 thousand people would indeed still be alive.

You could go back to many many dates and many many incidents carried out by Israel and almost all of those 30 thousand people would still be alive

Of course, it is part of an ongoing conflict and is not a simple matter.
However, Oct 7th made this an excessive response easier to organise as most of it was outright terrorism. I expect someone in Hamas expected things to turn out as they did, and believed that there was long term advantage in many deaths in Gaza.

[Itchy]

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

If Oct 7th didn't happen then almost all of those 30 thousand people would indeed still be alive.

Nah, they still would have died only at a slower pace. Seems some think that people in Gaza should just accept their fate, die or leave but should not fight back and resist. Maybe us Irish should all have just died during the famine and let the Brits rule out country. God forbid any oppressed people should fight back.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not absolving Israel,I'm not blaming Hamas,I'm not blaming Hamas but but but but it's  Hamas fault, if Oct 7th didn't happen would 30 thousand plus people be still alive..

If Oct 7th didn't happen then almost all of those 30 thousand people would indeed still be alive.

You could go back to many many dates and many many incidents carried out by Israel and almost all of those 30 thousand people would still be alive

Of course, it is part of an ongoing conflict and is not a simple matter.
However, Oct 7th made this an excessive response easier to organise as most of it was outright terrorism. I expect someone in Hamas expected things to turn out as they did, and believed that there was long term advantage in many deaths in Gaza.

 Israel has never need an excuse to ethic cleanse or destroy and murder Palestinians, they do it on a daily basis and every now and again they 'mow the lawn' because they can, they have total control and responsibility for their actions.

To offer some sort of justification or that Hamas wanted Gaza to be destroyed is absolving Israel regardless of what you point you want to make. Again the Israeli response is 100% within their control infact the whole situation. as the occupier is their responsibility.

the scenes out of the al shifa hospital now, 6 months into a genocide shows how little Israel and the west care about needing an excuse... sickening.

[Itchy]

Back to hospitals...

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1774811765152305351?t=aE3TOjilG_mnCOdpY_dgQg&s=19

Doctors disguise themselves as civilians when leaving the hospital because leaving in your scrubs puts a target on your back for snipers.

[Itchy]

Some more from Al Shifa

https://twitter.com/HossamShabat/status/1774741588226273379?t=V7LSQpAMV17dqKpkI4yIFw&s=19

Where has Hound gone to?

[imtommygunn]

Why do you have this need to tell some (random) people they were wrong?

It's very important how history views this imo. Forget random people on the internet. If Israel do this and build their holly homes etc then nothing happens at all the world is couped. Yes there is an increase in the voices against them but nothing that is making any difference or painting it in the light it needs to be painted.

[Harold Disgracey]

Seems like the Israelis have just killed a number of international aid workers apparently including an Irish citizen.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Seems like the Israelis have just killed a number of international aid workers apparently including an Irish citizen.

I have seen British, Australian and Polish passports in twitter pictures but not an Irish Passport but widely reported there was an Irish person but might be due to cover of the UK of Britian and ireland passport.

[red hander]

Kick that odious bitch of an ambassador out now

[Itchy]

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/israel-airstrike-on-gaza-kills-seven-working-for-celebrity-chefs-ngo-including-four-foreign-aid-workers/a663412795.html

Clearly targeted by the IDF for feeding people. Meanwhile CNN reports another 18bn of US arms being approved for Israel. Sick.