Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Ulick]

"Is that the best you can come up with?"

Not at all, just spotted it on Twitter over lunch. As I said, the PLO are meeting with the Israeli's and one of the most prominent Hamas leaders yesterday seems to be endorsing Pat Sheenan's visit. However I do apologise and bow to your greater insight to all things Palestinian.

[give her dixie]

"Is that the best you can come up with?"

Not at all, just spotted it on Twitter over lunch. As I said, the PLO are meeting with the Israeli's and one of the most prominent Hamas leaders yesterday seems to be endorsing Pat Sheenan's visit. However I do apologise and bow to your greater insight to all things Palestinian.

Thanks for the apology........

[general_lee]

Are Sinn Fein now pro-Israeli?

They are riding 2 horses at once on the Palestine / Israel question.

One the one hand they want their voters and supporters to believe they are very much pro Palestinian, and then on the other, they are trying to impress their donors and friends in the US that they are been even handed.

Like everything else in their world, they stand for nothing and fall for everything.....

So in other words they're just doing what political parties do?

[give her dixie]

Are Sinn Fein now pro-Israeli?

They are riding 2 horses at once on the Palestine / Israel question.

One the one hand they want their voters and supporters to believe they are very much pro Palestinian, and then on the other, they are trying to impress their donors and friends in the US that they are been even handed.

Like everything else in their world, they stand for nothing and fall for everything.....

So in other words they're just doing what political parties do?

Indeed............ 

[give her dixie]

Promotional video from the "Northern Ireland friends of Israel"  where they use the meeting with
former Sinn Fein Lord Mayor Máirtín Ó Muilleoir and two Israeli students who toured Northern Ireland
in a bid to combat the Palestinian call for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions of Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbdtJNtVao

[armaghniac]

Article by Newton Emerson yesterday and some discussion on Slugger making the point that SF simply have feck all talent coming through
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mckay-witness-scandal-is-just-the-latest-blow-to-the-onward-march-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.2767283

Interesting anecdote about when the post violence generation in waiting were lost

The party had established what was in effect an undergraduate training programme for aspiring politicians, complete with course material and written exams. On January 30th, after a field trip to Derry for a Bloody Sunday commemoration, many of these young people were dropped off at a Belfast bar that was about to witness the IRA murder of Robert McCartney. The trainees did not witness it, however, nor the IRA clean-up operation that followed. In statements to police, 71 people claimed to have been in the pub's one square metre lavatory. That was the end of the programme, while only a few brief careers emerged from the Tardis toilet. It seems that everybody else went home to their horrified families and were told to have nothing more to do with Sinn Féin – and the wisdom of that advice has sunk in across a new generation

[vallankumous]

Article by Newton Emerson yesterday and some discussion on Slugger making the point that SF simply have feck all talent coming through
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mckay-witness-scandal-is-just-the-latest-blow-to-the-onward-march-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.2767283

Interesting anecdote about when the post violence generation in waiting were lost

The party had established what was in effect an undergraduate training programme for aspiring politicians, complete with course material and written exams. On January 30th, after a field trip to Derry for a Bloody Sunday commemoration, many of these young people were dropped off at a Belfast bar that was about to witness the IRA murder of Robert McCartney. The trainees did not witness it, however, nor the IRA clean-up operation that followed. In statements to police, 71 people claimed to have been in the pub's one square metre lavatory. That was the end of the programme, while only a few brief careers emerged from the Tardis toilet. It seems that everybody else went home to their horrified families and were told to have nothing more to do with Sinn Féin – and the wisdom of that advice has sunk in across a new generation

I can't believe that.

I can't believe there was an 'under graduate program' for aspiring politicians. That's just BS. There may have been a days out with lectures and discussions for young members but that description is nonsense.
Am I reading that wrong or are their up to 70 witnesses to a murder who are now in their 30s who have not come forward?
If that's what he's saying it too is nonsense.

[muppet]

Article by Newton Emerson yesterday and some discussion on Slugger making the point that SF simply have feck all talent coming through
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mckay-witness-scandal-is-just-the-latest-blow-to-the-onward-march-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.2767283

Interesting anecdote about when the post violence generation in waiting were lost

The party had established what was in effect an undergraduate training programme for aspiring politicians, complete with course material and written exams. On January 30th, after a field trip to Derry for a Bloody Sunday commemoration, many of these young people were dropped off at a Belfast bar that was about to witness the IRA murder of Robert McCartney. The trainees did not witness it, however, nor the IRA clean-up operation that followed. In statements to police, 71 people claimed to have been in the pub's one square metre lavatory. That was the end of the programme, while only a few brief careers emerged from the Tardis toilet. It seems that everybody else went home to their horrified families and were told to have nothing more to do with Sinn Féin – and the wisdom of that advice has sunk in across a new generation

It would be hard to know who to believe there.

[Minder]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37216380

Nama scandal: Sinn Féin members resign from party

[T Fearon]

Looks like N Antrim has now become partitioned from Sinn Fein!

[macdanger2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37216380

Nama scandal: Sinn Féin members resign from party

Would this be one of the first instances of an internal rebellion in SF?

[ashman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37216380

Nama scandal: Sinn Féin members resign from party

Would this be one of the first instances of an internal rebellion in SF?

32 CSM , RSF , Eirigi , 1916 Societies etc..... Nah

[macdanger2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37216380

Nama scandal: Sinn Féin members resign from party

Would this be one of the first instances of an internal rebellion in SF?

32 CSM , RSF , Eirigi , 1916 Societies etc..... Nah

Would those not be considered more fundamental differences whereas this is a relatively minor spat the sort of thing you're likely to see in other political parties?

[ashman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37216380

Nama scandal: Sinn Féin members resign from party

Would this be one of the first instances of an internal rebellion in SF?

32 CSM , RSF , Eirigi , 1916 Societies etc..... Nah

Would those not be considered more fundamental differences whereas this is a relatively minor spat the sort of thing you're likely to see in other political parties?

Ya ; fair comment I suppose .

[armaghniac]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/two-sinn-fin-tds-named-under-privilege-in-connection-with-brian-stack-murder-35276722.html