The Palestine thread

[J70]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Palestinians getting evicted in East Jerusalem.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Eviction is decidedly the wrong word here J70.  As this guy explains in poignant detail

https://twitter.com/OmarMouallem/status/1392084879702040578?s=20

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Glad to see that the blatantly antisemitic post from May 11th has been deleted.  Thank you mods. 

That kind of bigoted nonsense only serves to strengthen the case of those who argue that criticism of Israel's apartheid policies is in and of itself antisemitism.

[seafoid]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Political vacuum in Israel. Netanyahu couldn't form a government. Settlers started evictions of Palestinians in East Jerusalem. Riot police entered the holiest Muslim mosque

This is a good timeline

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-gaza-aqsa-attack-netanyahu-chaos

[dillinger]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Well we could start at the Koran that orders the killing of all Jews.
Update it a bit and its the Palestinian leaders ordering it.
Continuation of Irans proxy war against Israel.

[general_lee]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Well we could start at the Koran that orders the killing of all Jews.
Update it a bit and its the Palestinian leaders ordering it.
Continuation of Irans proxy war against Israel.

Those poor Israelis. I wonder how many children they'll murder today.

[Rossfan]

20 children murdered so far and then they wonder why the Gazan people don't love them.

[Milltown Row2]

What would actually force Israel to back off, keep the land they have and stop forcing evictions and land stealing? Along with all the other stuff they are currently doing?

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/45e8309c-d0e0-4633-b259-f6ce83bd4e34

The risk of a new Middle East war Hamas and Israel must de-escalate THE EDITORIAL BOARD  12 May 2021
The long-simmering conflict between Israel and the Palestinians has boiled over once more as Israeli jets pound the hemmed-in Gaza strip and Palestinian militants launch hundreds of rockets into the Jewish state. A repeat of the 2014 Gaza war, when more than 2,000 Palestinians and 73 Israelis, mostly soldiers, were killed, is a real threat. Both sides need to de-escalate and avoid a conflict that will serve hardliners in each camp, heap more misery on long-suffering Palestinians trapped in Gaza and expose Israelis' vulnerability. The latest violence did not begin in Gaza, controlled by Hamas, the militant group. Instead its roots are in Jerusalem where Israeli police entered the compound that houses al-Aqsa mosque, Islam's third holiest site, using rubber bullets and "skunk" gas against stone-throwing Palestinian protesters.

The compound, known to Muslims as the Haram ash-Sharif or Noble Sanctuary and Jews as Temple Mount, is sacred to both religions and one of the conflict's most emotive flashpoints. Tempers were already inflamed over Israeli plans to evict Palestinians from their homes in occupied East Jerusalem to make way for Jewish settlers. Images of Israeli police using force against Palestinians protesting restrictions near al-Aqsa mosque in the holy month of Ramadan were always going to further incite tensions. Hamas sought to capitalise on the anger and fired rockets towards Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Israeli cities close to Gaza.

For Israelis, the worst violence in seven years should shatter the perception fostered by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the occupation of the West Bank and the siege of Gaza do not have consequences for Israel's security. Netanyahu has spent a decade convincing voters that Israel can be safe and enjoy healthy international relations without making concessions to Palestinians. It is a strategy that enabled him to become Israel's longest serving prime minister, while steering the country to the right. He has been aided by the meek responses of the US and European capitals to the creeping colonisation of the West Bank, as well as Gulf states that engaged with Israel to serve their own interests of countering Iran.

The United Arab Emirates' decision to normalise diplomatic ties with Israel last year formalised the Middle East's worst-kept secret. The so-called Abraham accords — Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco followed the UAE's lead — were sealed in the final throes of Donald Trump's presidency, during which he pursued an unabashedly pro-Israeli stance towards the conflict. Palestinians are now more marginalised than ever. Lingering hopes of a two-state solution have been dashed. But there is no victory for Israel. Instead, its actions trickle fuel into a highly combustible environment. Explosions can happen any time. And, as the rapid escalation proves,

Hamas will be quick to exploit crises as it seeks to bolster its claims of Palestinian leadership. But riots by Arabs in Israel towns also underscore the pent-up anger of ordinary Palestinians. When the Abraham accords were signed they were hailed in Israel and western capitals as representing a significant step towards ending the protracted Arab-Israeli conflict. Yet this week's violence shows there can be no peace as long as the Palestinians are sidelined and under occupation. The Biden administration has sought to reverse Trump's pro-Israeli bias. Now it and its allies must exert pressure on Israel and the Palestinians to end the killing. The tougher challenge is to find a viable way to revive the moribund peace process. The status quo only promises bloodshed.

[Baile Brigín 2]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Well we could start at the Koran that orders the killing of all Jews.
Update it a bit and its the Palestinian leaders ordering it.
Continuation of Irans proxy war against Israel.

What bit of the Koran?

[johnnycool]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Well we could start at the Koran that orders the killing of all Jews.
Update it a bit and its the Palestinian leaders ordering it.
Continuation of Irans proxy war against Israel.

What bit of the Koran?

Is there not a bit in the old testament about the promised land or something? I gave up on fiction years ago so haven't touched it in ages let alone the loons and their rapture.

[HiMucker]

What would actually force Israel to back off, keep the land they have and stop forcing evictions and land stealing? Along with all the other stuff they are currently doing?

They need to give land back for a start! Everyone can do their bit. Look up the BDS movement. People can actively make changes in their everyday lives that would hit the Israeli exchequer. It is an absolute disgrace what they have done and are continuing to do and get away with. For what its worth I don't think the Israeli state can survive long term as a civilized nation in the western world, because of what they are doing, but that still may be far far too late for the Palestinians. Anyone who wants to get a better understanding of the situation, read "Goliath, life and loathing in greater Israel" by Max Blumental. An American Jewish author who is now conveniently banned from ever entering Israel again. It is a fantastic read. A couple of snippets from the book. Israel used to finance soldiers to go on trips to Holocaust memorial sites in Europe, then pulled the plug, as it started to become clear that soldiers who went on these trips, became far more sympathetic towards the Palestinians, just in the same way Holocaust survivors and their relatives are much more sympathetic to the Palestinian plight, than that of the general population.

[seafoid]

Israel is running apartheid.


https://www.ft.com/content/45e8309c-d0e0-4633-b259-f6ce83bd4e34

For Israelis, the worst violence in seven years should shatter the perception fostered by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the occupation of the West Bank and the siege of Gaza do not have consequences for Israel's security.

Lingering hopes of a two-state solution have been dashed. But there is no victory for Israel. Instead, its actions trickle fuel into a highly combustible environment. Explosions can happen any time. And, as the rapid escalation proves, Hamas will be quick to exploit crises as it seeks to bolster its claims of Palestinian leadership. But riots by Arabs in Israel towns also underscore the pent-up anger of ordinary Palestinians.

[seafoid]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Well we could start at the Koran that orders the killing of all Jews.
Update it a bit and its the Palestinian leaders ordering it.
Continuation of Irans proxy war against Israel.

What bit of the Koran?

Is there not a bit in the old testament about the promised land or something? I gave up on fiction years ago so haven't touched it in ages let alone the loons and their rapture.

the promised land is Portadown

[tonto1888]

What caused this round of conflict to kick off?

Well we could start at the Koran that orders the killing of all Jews.
Update it a bit and its the Palestinian leaders ordering it.
Continuation of Irans proxy war against Israel.

What bit of the Koran?

Is there not a bit in the old testament about the promised land or something? I gave up on fiction years ago so haven't touched it in ages let alone the loons and their rapture.

the promised land is Portadown

I am currently in Portadown. I can assure you. It's not.

That guy posting about all Jews being liars and whatnot. Please stop. That doesn't help anyone