The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

I think you'll find that their Egyptian "brothers" are the ones causing most hardship to the palestinians, and have it within their powers to open the border between the two, but won't

FFS. How many times has Egypt bombed Gaza ?
How much of Gaza's infrastructure has Egypt destroyed ?
How many drones does Egypt fly over Gaza?
How many Egyptian ships close Gaza from the sea?
How many Gazans has Egypt assassinated over the last 10 years? 

[Ball DeBeaver]

How many Israeli soldiers are patrolling the Egyptian border with Gaza, thus preventing movement between them?

Call on Egypt to open the border. Gaza isn't at war with Egypt, they're "brothers." 

[seafoid]

How many Israeli soldiers are patrolling the Egyptian border with Gaza, thus preventing movement between them?

Call on Egypt to open the border. Gaza isn't at war with Egypt, they're "brothers." 

Gaza is Israel's baby. It's full of Untermenschen that the Jews didn't want in their "eternal homeland".
They ethnically cleansed southern Palestine and swept the people into Gaza. 
They attack it every 5 years or so. They trash its infrastructure at will.

Israel is responsible for Gaza.

[Ball DeBeaver]

How many Israeli soldiers are patrolling the Egyptian border with Gaza, thus preventing movement between them?

Call on Egypt to open the border. Gaza isn't at war with Egypt, they're "brothers." 

Gaza is Israel's baby. It's full of Untermenschen that the Jews didn't want in their "eternal homeland".
They ethnically cleansed southern Palestine and swept the people into Gaza. 
They attack it every 5 years or so. They trash its infrastructure at will.

Israel is responsible for Gaza.

Untermenschen?  Ask the Egyptians who doesn't want the palestinians in their country. Egypt wants nothing to do with the Gaza problem and so is happy for Israel to take the blame for all it's problems. If you are so concerned about the "suffering" of the palestinians, then why not put pressure on Egypt to open it's border? Are Egypt that cowardly and  so scared of Israel that they don't want to upset them?

[seafoid]

How many Israeli soldiers are patrolling the Egyptian border with Gaza, thus preventing movement between them?

Call on Egypt to open the border. Gaza isn't at war with Egypt, they're "brothers." 

Gaza is Israel's baby. It's full of Untermenschen that the Jews didn't want in their "eternal homeland".
They ethnically cleansed southern Palestine and swept the people into Gaza. 
They attack it every 5 years or so. They trash its infrastructure at will.

Israel is responsible for Gaza.

Untermenschen?  Ask the Egyptians who doesn't want the palestinians in their country. Egypt wants nothing to do with the Gaza problem and so is happy for Israel to take the blame for all it's problems. If you are so concerned about the "suffering" of the palestinians, then why not put pressure on Egypt to open it's border? Are Egypt that cowardly and  so scared of Israel that they don't want to upset them?

If Israel has nothing to do with Gaza why are so you anal about posting about Gaza?

Egypt doesn't want to have anything to do with Gaza. Israel deindustrialised Gaza , Israel occupies Gaza - so it's Israel's responsibility.
Israel should open its border to Gaza.

You are familiar with the mitzvot I presume. 

[Ball DeBeaver]

Where did I say Israel has nothing to do with Gaza? Militant groups in Gaza are "at war" with Israel. Israel has plenty to do with Gaza. Why would Israel open it's door to Gaza, when there are people in Gaza who want to attack it? Your logic is becoming increasingly bizzare.

Egypt have washed their hands of Gaza, and are letting it suffer while it has the power to end their suffering.

Israel does not "occupy" Gaza. There is not one solitary Israeli soldier in Gaza. Israel controls the air over, the sea off the shore and their mutual border. Gaza has another border with Egypt, which is more than capable of being opened up by Egypt to let Gaza trade with the world if they so wished. In reality, it is the Egyptians who regard Gazans as "untermenschen."

[seafoid]

Where did I say Israel has nothing to do with Gaza? Militant groups in Gaza are "at war" with Israel. Israel has plenty to do with Gaza. Why would Israel open it's door to Gaza, when there are people in Gaza who want to attack it? Your logic is becoming increasingly bizzare.

Egypt have washed their hands of Gaza, and are letting it suffer while it has the power to end their suffering.

Israel does not "occupy" Gaza. There is not one solitary Israeli soldier in Gaza. Israel controls the air over, the sea off the shore and their mutual border. Gaza has another border with Egypt, which is more than capable of being opened up by Egypt to let Gaza trade with the world if they so wished. In reality, it is the Egyptians who regard Gazans as "untermenschen."

Israel runs Gaza. IDF HQ in Tel Aviv, the Kirya has 400 people working on Gaza.
Israel's Ministries have over 1000 civil servants working on Israel's policy in Gaza .
Israel doesn't need soldiers- it runs over 500 collaborators in Gaza.

and are you familiar with the mitzvot? 

[Ball DeBeaver]

Egypt-Gaza tunnels must be destroyed, Cairo court rules

Egyptian attorney Wael Hamdy: "I filed the case because I was worried about the state of national security in my country after the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood to power and its unclear policies and links with Hamas."

Reuters and Israel Hayom Staff


A Palestinian works inside a smuggling tunnel flooded by Egyptian forces, beneath the Egyptian-Gaza border in Rafah, Feb. 19, 2013. |Photo credit: Reuters

A Palestinian works inside a smuggling tunnel flooded by Egyptian forces, beneath the Egyptian-Gaza border in Rafah, Feb. 19, 2013. |Photo credit: Reuters


A Cairo court ruled on Tuesday that the government must destroy all tunnels between Egypt and the Gaza Strip, removing a route for smuggled weapons but also a lifeline for Palestinians.


Egypt's ruling Muslim Brotherhood has close ties with the Hamas Islamists who run the Gaza Strip, but many Egyptians fear the enclave is a security risk for Egypt.


Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi's national security adviser Essam Haddad said Egypt would not tolerate the two-way flow of smuggled arms through the tunnels, which is destabilizing Egypt's Sinai Peninsula.


Egyptian forces flooded some of the tunnels earlier this month.


"The court ruled to make it obligatory that the government destroys the tunnels between Egypt and the Gaza Strip," Judge Farid Tanaghou said.


An estimated 30 percent of goods that reach Gaza's 1.7 million Palestinian residents come through the tunnels, circumventing a blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt for more than seven years.


"I filed the case because I was worried about the state of national security in my country after the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood to power and its unclear policies and links with Hamas," said Wael Hamdy, a lawyer who presented the case to the court.


He said the case was made after 16 Egyptian border guards were killed last August by militants near the Gaza border. The attack highlighted the lawlessness in the Sinai desert region adjoining Israel and Gaza.


Cairo said some of the gunmen had entered Egypt through the Gaza tunnels, an accusation denied by the Palestinians. Dozens of tunnels have been destroyed since that incident, but, according to Hamdy, 2,000 are still operational.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=7789

[seafoid]

Egypt is playing a good game. If the tunnels are destroyed the humanitarian crisis run by the Israelis will intensify
And they deserve the opprobium of the world for what they are doing.
And where are the leaders of Judaism? where are the rabbis?
Total moral breakdown.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Egypt is playing a good game. If the tunnels are destroyed the humanitarian crisis run by the Israelis will intensify
And they deserve the opprobium of the world for what they are doing.
And where are the leaders of Judaism? where are the rabbis?
Total moral breakdown.

NAIL HIT DIRECTLY ON HEAD. You have just shown that you have no moral arguement. The very thing you attack Israel for, you applaud Egypt for. Hypocricy of the highest order.

It suits antisemites like you to have Israel painted in the worst possible way, even if the very people you say you care about have to suffer as a result. 

[Rossfan]

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It suits antisemites like you to have Israel painted in the worst possible way, even if the very people you say you care about have to suffer as a result.

So if Seafoid says Israel is a great place then everything will be wonderful in Gaza.

Seaf must have some powers 

[Ball DeBeaver]

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It suits antisemites like you to have Israel painted in the worst possible way, even if the very people you say you care about have to suffer as a result.

So if Seafoid says Israel is a great place then everything will be wonderful in Gaza.

Seaf must have some powers 

Where did I say that?

Do you think it's OK to accuse Israel of causing suffering, but fail to criticise Egypt for having the power to end that suffering, yet do nothing?

HYPOCRISY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

[seafoid]

Egypt is playing a good game. If the tunnels are destroyed the humanitarian crisis run by the Israelis will intensify
And they deserve the opprobium of the world for what they are doing.
And where are the leaders of Judaism? where are the rabbis?
Total moral breakdown.

NAIL HIT DIRECTLY ON HEAD. You have just shown that you have no moral arguement. The very thing you attack Israel for, you applaud Egypt for. Hypocricy of the highest order.

It suits antisemites like you to have Israel painted in the worst possible way, even if the very people you say you care about have to suffer as a result.

FFS, The ISRAELIS  run the system. The system sucks . It deliberately impoverishes 1.5 million people with the aim of dehumanising them so utterly that they give up and move somewhere else.
and somehow that is EGYPT'S fault.

Jews call the shots. Nobody else.

And just look at your posts over the last months

You try to justify

Apartheid on buses
180 Palestinians murdered by Israel in November
The ongoing Israeli siege of Gaza
The Israeli programme to limit the food that goes into Gaza
The Israeli categorisation of everyone in Gaza as a terrorist

   
And you know the square root of f**k ALL about Gaelic Games.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Egypt is playing a good game. If the tunnels are destroyed the humanitarian crisis run by the Israelis will intensify
And they deserve the opprobium of the world for what they are doing.
And where are the leaders of Judaism? where are the rabbis?
Total moral breakdown.

NAIL HIT DIRECTLY ON HEAD. You have just shown that you have no moral arguement. The very thing you attack Israel for, you applaud Egypt for. Hypocricy of the highest order.

It suits antisemites like you to have Israel painted in the worst possible way, even if the very people you say you care about have to suffer as a result.

FFS, The ISRAELIS  run the system. The system sucks . It deliberately impoverishes 1.5 million people with the aim of dehumanising them so utterly that they give up and move somewhere else.
and somehow that is EGYPT'S fault.

Jews call the shots. Nobody else.

And just look at your posts over the last months

You try to justify

Apartheid on buses
180 Palestinians murdered by Israel in November
The ongoing Israeli siege of Gaza
The Israeli programme to limit the food that goes into Gaza
The Israeli categorisation of everyone in Gaza as a terrorist

   
And you know the square root of f**k ALL about Gaelic Games.

HAHAHAHAHA my da's bigger than your da. 

What "system" do Israelis run? What shots do "the jews" call?
Israel controls the Muslim Brotherhood, does it? It guards the Egypt - Gaza border?

[seafoid]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netherlands-calls-on-stores-to-label-products-from-israeli-settlements.premium-1.508024#


Netherlands calls on stores to label products from Israeli settlements

Dutch follow British lead, but emphasize it is not illegal to import goods from territories. Other European countries expected to follow suit in coming weeks.

By Barak Ravid | Mar.07, 2013 | 9:00 PM | 6

















Barak Ravid
By DPA | Mar.07,2013 | 9:00 PM | 31


The Dutch government has for the first time called for retail chains in the Netherlands to state the origin of products from West Bank settlements, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. This makes the Netherlands, one of Israel's greatest friends in Europe, the second country in the European Union, after Britain, to recommend such labeling.

The Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs issued a directive Wednesday to all retail chains in the country, stating that it wished to clarify procedures regarding the labeling of products from the settlements and to assist consumers. "The decision was made after consulting the European Commission," the document said.

The letter states that the government is recommending the label change but that no steps will be taken against retails who do not comply, and that it is not illegal to import products from the settlements.

The document calls for the labeling of the following products: fresh fruit and vegetables, wine, honey, olive oil, fish, meat, chicken, eggs and cosmetics produced in the Golan Heights, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. These products should no longer state on their packaging that they are made in Israel. Rather, they should be labeled as originating in "Israeli settlement in the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, the West Bank or in Palestinian territories," the directive states. Retailers, not importers, will be responsible for the labeling.

The Netherlands' foreign minister, Frans Timmermans, said in a speech to parliament Wednesday that the settlements are illegal and an obstacle to peace. He said that the labeling of products by retail chains in Holland will allow consumers to know whether they want to purchase these products. "We do not want to contribute to the economy of the illegal settlements," Timmermans said.

The Dutch government's decision came following a letter sent on February 22 by the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton to the 27 foreign ministers of the EU member states. In the letter, which was quoted by the Hebrew daily Maariv, she urged the foreign ministers to ensure full compliance with existing EU legislation on labeling products from Israeli settlements and noted that compliance was incumbent on EU members and the appropriate agencies in those countries.

A source in Israel's Foreign Ministry said that after Ashton sent the letter, Israel's ambassadors in EU countries were instructed to unofficially approach the foreign ministries of the countries in which they are serving and ask them not to implement the directives at this time. The ambassadors also asked those countries to urge Ashton to rescind her directive.

Israel's ambassador to the Netherlands, Haim Divon, approached senior officials in the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs in The Hague to express displeasure over Ashton's letter. Divon said that although the directive speaks only of labeling products from the settlements, it will lead to a boycott against such products and perhaps against Israeli products in general.

Divon said that many Dutch companies will not understand the government's recommendation and will interpret it as a binding ban on products from the settlements. Divon told the senior officials that "obsessive preoccupation with the settlements had exceeded all proportion" and that "the European Union is taking out its frustration with the situation in the Middle East on us."

The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs told Divon that the labeling of the products was a logical step in light of EU policy on the matter. They said they do not support a total ban on products from the settlements or on Israeli products in general, and they would work to ensure that this did not happen.

A government recommendation to label products from the settlements has been issued so far only in Britain. The Danish government studied the matter but has yet to take action. The fact that Holland was the second country to issue the directives is surprising, because of the close and friendly relations between Holland and Israel.

The Netherlands, considered one of Israel's key supporters in the EU, has promoted adding Hezbollah to the EU's list of terror groups and supports Israel in votes in various international forums. It has also helped Israel balance anti-Israel decisions in the EU.

Thus, it is believed that the Dutch move will push many other EU countries to take similar steps. The concern is that as early as the coming weeks a wave of such moves will be seen, leading to a dramatic increase in the monitoring of products from the settlements in the EU.