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A 30-year-old Palestinian man, Arafat Jaradat, died while in Israeli custody today. According to Palestinian human rights organization Al Haq, Jaradat died either during or shortly after he was interrogated in Meggido Prison.

Speaking to the Agence France Presse, a spokeswoman for the Israel Prisons Service confirmed the death. She claimed, "It was probably a cardiac arrest."

But Al Haq reports that Jaradat, who was arrested on February 18, had no known health conditions. Jaradat was from the West Bank village of Sa'ir, which is north of Hebron. He is survived by two children and his wife is reportedly pregnant with their third child.

Palestinian prisoners will go on hunger strike in protest of Jaradat's death, the Palestinian news agency Maan reports.

According to B'Tselem, more than 4,500 Palestinians are being held in Israeli prisons; 178 of the detainees are being held without trial in administrative detention. The UN reports that approximately 700,000 Palestinians have been held in Israeli prisons since the occupation began in 1967. Many of these prisoners have been held without charge on administrative detention orders. Children have also been jailed. In 2012, 143 children between 16 and 18 were held in Israeli jails, including 21 minors under the age of 15.

Jaradat's death comes as Palestinian prisoner Samer Issawi has been on hunger strike for over 200 days. Al Haq reports that Issawi's family is being harassed by Israeli forces. Issawi's brother, Shadi, was arrested last week; Issawi's sister, Shirin, was detained for 24 hours in December and was put on house arrest. On New Year's Day, Israeli forces razed the home of Issawi's brother, Rafat.

As Samer Issawi's condition deteriorates, protests and clashes have spread throughout the West Bank. Dozens of Palestinian protesters were injured in demonstrations throughout the West Bank on Friday, including one who was shot with live ammunition in Hebron.

On Saturday, 26-year-old Abdel Hassan was reportedly shot in the stomach by Israeli settlers who invaded the village of Qusra near Nablus, he was in serious condition in a Nablus hospital. A 16-year-old boy was also shot in the leg in the same incident.

http://972mag.com/palestinian-prisoner-dies-in-israeli-interrogation-center/66547/

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A 30-year-old Palestinian man, Arafat Jaradat, died while in Israeli custody today. According to Palestinian human rights organization Al Haq, Jaradat died either during or shortly after he was interrogated in Meggido Prison.

Speaking to the Agence France Presse, a spokeswoman for the Israel Prisons Service confirmed the death. She claimed, "It was probably a cardiac arrest."

But Al Haq reports that Jaradat, who was arrested on February 18, had no known health conditions. Jaradat was from the West Bank village of Sa'ir, which is north of Hebron. He is survived by two children and his wife is reportedly pregnant with their third child.

Palestinian prisoners will go on hunger strike in protest of Jaradat's death, the Palestinian news agency Maan reports.

According to B'Tselem, more than 4,500 Palestinians are being held in Israeli prisons; 178 of the detainees are being held without trial in administrative detention. The UN reports that approximately 700,000 Palestinians have been held in Israeli prisons since the occupation began in 1967. Many of these prisoners have been held without charge on administrative detention orders. Children have also been jailed. In 2012, 143 children between 16 and 18 were held in Israeli jails, including 21 minors under the age of 15.

Jaradat's death comes as Palestinian prisoner Samer Issawi has been on hunger strike for over 200 days. Al Haq reports that Issawi's family is being harassed by Israeli forces. Issawi's brother, Shadi, was arrested last week; Issawi's sister, Shirin, was detained for 24 hours in December and was put on house arrest. On New Year's Day, Israeli forces razed the home of Issawi's brother, Rafat.

As Samer Issawi's condition deteriorates, protests and clashes have spread throughout the West Bank. Dozens of Palestinian protesters were injured in demonstrations throughout the West Bank on Friday, including one who was shot with live ammunition in Hebron.

On Saturday, 26-year-old Abdel Hassan was reportedly shot in the stomach by Israeli settlers who invaded the village of Qusra near Nablus, he was in serious condition in a Nablus hospital. A 16-year-old boy was also shot in the leg in the same incident.

http://972mag.com/palestinian-prisoner-dies-in-israeli-interrogation-center/66547/

And Israel is supposed to be the fulfilment of the covenant of the Jewish people with God. You couldn't make it up.

[seafoid]

Israel is in a downward spiral of bad law/disrespect for basic human rights. Things are going to get a lot worse over the next few years as the Zionists get even more desperate in an ongoing  bid  to hold the Palestinians down.   the longer it goes on the more they undermine the rationale for the Jewish state.   

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Former Israeli Amb to Obama on his visit: 'You cannot come to an area that exhibits signs of apartheid and ignore them'


In the wake of recently resurfaced comments allegedly made by Chuck Hagel during a 2010 speech at Rutgers University regarding the risk Israel runs of "becoming an apartheid state if it didn't allow the Palestinians to form a state," The Times of Israel has reported even more damning statements made by a former Israeli official.

Alon Liel, a former Israeli Foreign Ministry Director-General and ex-Ambassador to South Africa, said on February 20, "In the situation that exists today, until a Palestinian state is created, we are actually one state. This joint state — in the hope that the status quo is temporary — is an apartheid state."

Liel, speaking at Jerusalem conference dedicated to discussing this very topic, was forthright and unflinching in his assessment of Israel's current policies and predicament regarding the continuing occupation of Palestine:

"As someone who knows the original apartheid well, and also knows the State of Israel quite well – I was born here, grew up here, served and fought for it for 30 years — someone like me knows that Zionism isn't apartheid and the State of Israel that I grew up in wasn't an apartheid state," Liel emphasized.

"I'm here today because I came to the conclusion that the occupation of the West Bank as it exists today is a sort of Israeli apartheid," said Liel. "The occupation became a hump on the back of Zionism; it has now become the hump of the State of Israel."

There is a real danger of Israel's occupation of the West Bank becoming an integral part of the state, he said. "When that happens, when the West Bank and [Israel in the pre-1967 lines] become one, and the Palestinian residents of the West Bank will not have citizenship — we're apartheid," he said

Liel also had a message for U.S. President Barack Obama, who is slated to visit to Israel in March:

"If you, President Obama, intend to come here for a courtesy visit — don't come. Don't come! We don't need you here for a courtesy visit," Liel said. "You cannot come to an area that exhibits signs of apartheid and ignore them. That would simply be an unethical visit. You yourself know full well thatIsrael is standing at the apartheid cliff. If you don't deal with this topic during your visit, the responsibility will at the end of the process also lie with you."

The event at which Liel was speaking was entitled, "Is there Israeli Apartheid?" He was joined by Peace Now board member Amiram Goldblum, journalist Danny Rubinstein, Ha'aretz reporter Gideon Levy, Hebrew University professors emeritus Frances Raday and Gideon Shimoni, Ben-Gurion University professor Oren Yiftachel, Bar-Ilan University political science lecturer and B'Tselem board member Menachem Klein, and human rights lawyer Michael Sfard.

After noting the "systematic discrimination" of Palestinians by Israel, Levy stated his agreement with Apartheid terminology. "What else could we call what's happening here?," he asked. He also pointed out that, while military occupation is not unique to Israel/Palestine, "I don't know any other occupation where the occupier thinks he's the victim, where he thinks he's the only victim," adding, "as long as Israel doesn't pay a price for the occupation, nothing is going to change."

Klein concentrated his comments on East Jerusalem, where he said Israel practices a form of "ethno-apartheid."

Only professor Shimoni challenged the application of the term Apartheid with regard to Israeli policies which he said was "rather unfair and lacks intellectual honesty." He argued that "from land theft to various draconic [sic] restrictions, as much they are worthy of condemnation — they are not apartheid," which he called a "rhetorical weapon...to demonize and excoriate the State of Israel."

The Times of Israel too claimed that the Apartheid analogy is "highly contentious" and "usually employed only by radical anti-Israel activists." However, anyone familiar with the statements of myriad Israeli politicians and commentators (as compiled here) know this is a falsehood

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/israeli-exhibits-apartheid.html

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Palestinian chutzpah

By Gideon Levy  Feb.24, 2013

My Palestinian brothers (for your information, everyone's a "brother" around here these days ), aren't you ashamed? How dare you protest and throw stones? How dare you disturb the peace; build "illegal" outposts on your own private land; go on hunger strikes; demonstrate solidarity with prisoners; protest the closing of Shuhada Street in Hebron and the rearrest of freed prisoners; sneak into Israel to find work; oppose the eviction of people from their homes; protest that you are not allowed to reach your farmlands; protest against the fence that was built in your area; threaten a third intifada? Are you out of your minds? Where do you get such chutzpah?

Now you demonstrate? After all, we've already told you we no longer care what happens to you. Right and left, they all told you loud and clear. Even that warrior for social justice, MK Shelly Yacimovich, told you that Israelis don't care about you, and you just don't understand. Can't you see that we're busy? We have momentous questions before us - sharing the military burden; the number of ministers; Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu's pistachio ice cream; Yesh Atid MK Ruth Calderon's inaugural Knesset speech; and Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar's alleged love life.

So who can think about you? Israel is trying to put together a coalition. It is still not clear whether the eternal alliance between Yesh Atid's Yair Lapid and Habayit Hayehudi's Naftali Bennett will last, and you dare to bother us with your foolishness? Lapid doesn't want the "Hanin Zuabis"; Bennett doesn't want "Abu"; and you just don't get it. You don't see they are so worried about the people of Israel that they have no time for you, so how dare you remind them of your existence.

Occupation-shmoccupation; human and civil rights; expulsion and stealing; self-determination; two states for two peoples; the separation fence; 5,000 prisoners - you buzz around like bothersome mosquitoes. Leave us alone, you're boring us.

How much longer are you going to keep bothering us with your little problems? How much longer are you going to keep bothering the world? Can't you see that U.S. President Barack Obama is coming on another emotional-blackmail visit, to prostrate himself on the graves of Yitzhak Rabin and Theodor Herzl and at Yad Vashem, so why should you bother him, either? Sit tight, my brothers: in Syria, things are worse.

Sit tight: the occupation is only 46 years old. Be happy with what you have. You're in good hands - the hands of the only democracy in the Middle East. Don't bother it and don't stop it from continuing to flourish. Its old politics didn't take an interest in you and its new politics - even less. Just ask the harbingers of the new politics, Lapid and Bennett, over whom Israel is so enthusiastic right now. Neither of them probably ever met a (living ) Palestinian in their life, nor do they want to. You'll miss Netanyahu yet, you'll miss Shimon Peres and Ehud Barak, from the old guard. They at least talked to you. So be happy with what you have.

Think ahead. It won't be that long before you are the majority here. And even before that, the world will not stand for you to live without rights. Guilt feelings over the Holocaust will subside. The Jewish lobby - yes, it's Jewish - might lose some of its strength. And besides, natural justice is with you, history is on your side.

Rotten tyrannies like the Israeli occupation have never lasted forever. So sit tight, my brothers, and wait for the future. If it doesn't happen in your lifetime, perhaps it will in your grandchildren's. True, you have suffered enough, but a human being is like a tree in a field; when you get whipped, bend your head submissively. After all, you have tried everything: negotiations and terror; recognition and compromise; the first intifada; the second intifada.

Nothing much came out of it all. The settlers have tripled, the Knesset is full of their representatives, and Israel has completely stopped dealing with you. True, if you sit tight you will be forgotten; if you protest, they will say you are terrorists. But the most important thing is: not now. Not when Israel is busy, not when Israel has had it with you, with your wailing, your sobbing and your demands.

It's hard to be a Palestinian but, remember, it's even harder to be a Jew. A Jew, after all, is always the victim; the only victim around.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/palestinian-chutzpah.premium-1.505334

[seafoid]

Rotten tyrannies like the Israeli occupation have never lasted forever

That is what all the Jewish holidays say....

[give her dixie]

If a Hell exists, I hope the fcukers that carried out this torture rot in it's deepest pits for eternity.


Minister: Autopsy shows torture killed Jaradat

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- An autopsy has revealed that Arafat Jaradat died of extreme torture in Israeli custody and did not have a cardiac arrest, the PA Minister of Detainee Affairs said Sunday.

At a news conference in Ramallah, Issa Qaraqe said an autopsy conducted in Israel in the presence of Palestinian officials revealed that 30-year-old Jaradat had six broken bones in his neck, spine, arms and legs.

"The information we have received so far is shocking and painful. The evidence corroborates our suspicion that Mr. Jaradat died as a result of torture, especially since the autopsy clearly proved that the victim's heart was healthy, which disproves the initial alleged account presented by occupation authorities that he died of a heart attack," Qaraqe said.

A spokeswoman for Israel's Prison Authority said Saturday that Jaradat had apparently died of cardiac arrest in Megiddo prison. An emergency service team had tried to resuscitate him but failed, she said.

Qaraqe described the claim as a fabrication and called for a committee to investigate those responsible for Jaradat's death.

The minister said Jaradat had sustained injuries and severe bruising in the upper right back area and severe bruises of sharp circular shape in the right chest area.

The autopsy revealed evidence of severe torture and on the muscle of the upper left shoulder, parallel to the spine in the lower neck area, and evidence of severe torture under the skin and inside the muscle of the right side of the chest. His second and third ribs in the right side of the chest were broken, Qaraqe said, and he also had injuries in the middle of the muscle in the right hand.

Jaradat's heart was in good condition and there were no signs of bruising or stroke, the minister added.

Israel's Health Ministry said the injuries found in the autopsy could have been caused by the medical emergency team's efforts to resuscitate Jaradat.

"These initial findings are not enough to determine the cause of death," the Israeli ministry said, adding that further test results were not yet in. An Israeli police spokesman said the investigation into Jaradat's death was still ongoing.

Qaraqe's deputy, Ziyad Au Ain, urged any doctors, including Israeli doctors, who doubted that Jaradat was tortured to death to view his body in Al-Ahli Hospital in Hebron.

"Jaradat died due to torture and not a stroke or heart attack," he said, adding that those responsible must be sued either through Interpol or the International Criminal Court.

Palestinian Prisoners Society president Qaddura Fares added that the autopsy revealed seven injuries to the inside of Jaradat's lower lip, bruises on his face and blood on his nose.

After the autopsy, Jaradat's body was transferred to the Palestinian Red Crescent at the Tarqumiya crossing west of Hebron, and taken to the Al-Ahli Hospital. He will be buried on Monday in his hometown Sair.

Jaradat's lawyer Kameel Sabbagh said he was tortured by Israeli interrogators.

Sabbagh, who works for the prisoners ministry, was present at Jaradat's last hearing on Thursday, which an Israeli judge postponed for 12 days.

"When I entered the courtroom I saw Jaradat sitting on a wooden chair in front of the judge. His back was hunched and he looked sick and fragile," Sabbagh said in a statement Sunday.

"When I sat next to him he told me that he had serious pains in his back and other parts of his body because he was being beaten up and hanged for many long hours while he was being investigated

"When Jaradat heard that the judge postponed his hearing he seemed extremely afraid and asked me if he was going to spend the time left in the cell. I replied to him that he was still in the investigation period and this is possible and that as a lawyer I couldn't do anything about his whereabouts at this time."

Sabbagh said Jaradat's psychological state was very serious and that he informed the judge his client had been tortured. The judge ordered that Jaradat should be examined by the prison doctor but "this didn't happen," the lawyer added.

On Sunday, thousands of Palestinians protested the death across the West Bank and Gaza, and at least two protesters were injured by live fire in clashes with Israeli forces, including the 13-year-old son of a Preventive Security officer.

Dozens more were injured by rubber-coated bullets.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said soldiers used riot dispersal means against Palestinians hurling rocks at security forces

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=568699

[seafoid]

Calling BDB. Where are you, habibi? We need you now on the thread. Come and defend Israel .

[Ball DeBeaver]

Calling BDB. Where are you, habibi? We need you now on the thread. Come and defend Israel .

I think the only way to prove beyond doubt what the actual cause of death was, is to having an independent autopsy. Until then, we are only pissing in the wind with speculation.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Autopsy Unable to Determine Cause of Terrorist Prisoner's Death

An autopsy on the body of Arafat Jaradat finds that it is impossible to determine the cause of his death. PA blames Israel.


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By Elad Benari
First Publish: 2/25/2013, 12:14 AM




Arabs riot near Ofer Prison Thursday

Flash90


An autopsy conducted on Sunday on the body of Arafat Jaradat, the terrorist prisoner who died at the Meggido Prison in northern Israel on Saturday, found that it is impossible to determine the exact cause of his death.

The Palestinian Authority nevertheless took advantage of the non-conclusive report to blame Israel for torturing Jaradat to death.

The autopsy, which was performed by the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir, found that no external signs of trauma were found on Jaradat's body, and that no evidence of any disease was discovered. The Ministry of Health stated that it is impossible, therefore, to link the findings with a cause of death.

The Palestinian Authority minister of prisoner affairs, Issa Qaraqaa, accused Israel of torturing Jaradat to death, saying in a statement quoted by AFP, "The evidence corroborates our suspicion that Jaradat died as a result of torture, especially since the autopsy clearly proved that the victim's heart was healthy."

He said the autopsy, which was carried out in the presence of a PA Arab doctor, indicated bruises on Jaradat's torso and damage to muscles, as well as "broken" ribs.

Israel stressed that there were "fractures in the ribs" which "could be testimony to resuscitation efforts."

PA Arabs in Judea and Samaria took advantage of Jaradat's death on Sunday, using it as their latest excuse for rioting. No one was reported hurt.

The security forces are bracing for more violence, as preparations are being made for Jaradat's funeral.

As the rioting continued on Sunday, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu sent a message to the PA to calm tensions in Judea and Samaria. He also instructed Israeli authorities to transfer the PA its tax revenues for January, "so that they won't have an excuse not to enforce calm on the ground."


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165584

One side claims one thing, The other side, another. The only way to truely say, is to hold an independent autopsy.

[muppet]

Jesus BDB, Israel claims he was injured while trying to save him from a death caused by nothing they could find? They don't even really try any more.

And before you say it I am not a fan of the Palestinian rocket launchers either. For a start they give Israel the excuse they seem to need to wreak havoc on the general Palestinian population. Every rocket launcher must know he is signing the death warrant of more of his countrymen, women and children.

[johnneycool]

An independent autopsy would indeed prove or disprove both sides theory, but who'd carry it out and would the state of Israel allow it?

[seafoid]

Autopsy Unable to Determine Cause of Terrorist Prisoner's Death
An autopsy on the body of Arafat Jaradat finds that it is impossible to determine the cause of his death. PA blames Israel.

By Elad Benari
First Publish: 2/25/2013, 12:14 AM
Arbs riot near Ofer Prison Thursday

Flash90


An autopsy conducted on Sunday on the body of Arafat Jaradat, the terrorist prisoner who died at the Meggido Prison in northern Israel on Saturday, found that it is impossible to determine the exact cause of his death.

The Palestinian Authority nevertheless took advantage of the non-conclusive report to blame Israel for torturing Jaradat to death.
The autopsy, which was performed by the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir, found that no external signs of trauma were found on Jaradat's body, and that no evidence of any disease was discovered. The Ministry of Health stated that it is impossible, therefore, to link the findings with a cause of death.

The Palestinian Authority minister of prisoner affairs, Issa Qaraqaa, accused Israel of torturing Jaradat to death, saying in a statement quoted by AFP, "The evidence corroborates our suspicion that Jaradat died as a result of torture, especially since the autopsy clearly proved that the victim's heart was healthy."
He said the autopsy, which was carried out in the presence of a PA Arab doctor, indicated bruises on Jaradat's torso and damage to muscles, as well as "broken" ribs.

Israel stressed that there were "fractures in the ribs" which "could be testimony to resuscitation efforts."
PA Arabs in Judea and Samaria took advantage of Jaradat's death on Sunday, using it as their latest excuse for rioting. No one was reported hurt.

The security forces are bracing for more violence, as preparations are being made for Jaradat's funeral.
As the rioting continued on Sunday, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu sent a message to the PA to calm tensions in Judea and Samaria. He also instructed Israeli authorities to transfer the PA its tax revenues for January, "so that they won't have an excuse not to enforce calm on the ground."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165584

One side claims one thing, The other side, another. The only way to truely say, is to hold an independent autopsy.

Still waiting for an investigation into the Mavi Marmara. Furkan Dogan was shot 5 times from behind.

But never mind. Just look at the shite BDB posts. How can Israeli Jews be expected to understand anything about what's going on when the Israeli embassy posts such tripe on the GAAboard? 

The terrorist prisoner. He just died like that.
Just collapsed. He was drinking tea and he just died. Israeli jailors tried to resuscitate him and were trying so hard they broke his ribs. 

Note the persecution complex. Palestinians might blame Israel for killing someone in custody. The antisemitic bastards. how dare they !   
And Judea and Samaria. and PA Arabs. Can't even call them Palestinians.   

[seafoid]

Jesus BDB, Israel claims he was injured while trying to save him from a death caused by nothing they could find? They don't even really try any more.

And before you say it I am not a fan of the Palestinian rocket launchers either. For a start they give Israel the excuse they seem to need to wreak havoc on the general Palestinian population. Every rocket launcher must know he is signing the death warrant of more of his countrymen, women and children.

He was arrested for stone throwing, Muppet.

[muppet]

Jesus BDB, Israel claims he was injured while trying to save him from a death caused by nothing they could find? They don't even really try any more.

And before you say it I am not a fan of the Palestinian rocket launchers either. For a start they give Israel the excuse they seem to need to wreak havoc on the general Palestinian population. Every rocket launcher must know he is signing the death warrant of more of his countrymen, women and children.

He was arrested for stone throwing, Muppet.

Sorry I was speaking generally not about an individual. I can see how it looked like that in my post.