The Palestine thread

[give her dixie]

On this day 4 years ago, Israel launched a 23 day massacre, Operation Cast Lead. At the end of the 3 weeks, 1,400 Palestinians were killed, 400 of them children. 5,000 others were injured. During the attacks all exits out of Gaza were sealed and they didn't stand a chance. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Not one single person has been convicted of murder, and if there was any justice in this world, the top brass of the IOF should be behind bars.

Today, I remember the victims and their families with dignity.

[seafoid]

Cast Lead remembered

Dr Ezzedin Abu el Aish gives an  interview to Israeli TV while the Israeli Army blows up his home and kills his daughters   

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UxJWdCwOpc

Of course the tramps won't pay compensation

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/12/2010122692144549633.html

[seafoid]

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

What bothers me most is not that Arabs kill our children, but that they force us to kill theirs.

[seafoid]

Here is Israeli President Shimon Peres (born in Poland)  on Dutch television, explaining why so many Palestinian children were killed during Cast Lead (takes him just one minute):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8XQspTXz_A


And he is a great man for quotes

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-unspoken-alliance-by-sasha-polakow-suransky/

(Shimon Peres) assured the president of Cameroon that "a Jew who accepts apartheid ceases to be a Jew. A Jew and racism do not go together"

[Itchy]

This is probably the most informative thread on this discussion board, but the last two comments risk demeaning it beyond repair.

Mine was extreme sarcasm, I didn't think I'd have to put up a sign post.

[seafoid]

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/23/the-crucifixion-of-chuck-hagel/

Outside the Beltway, Hagel is a logical choice for SecDef: inside that bubble of evil, he's a candidate for demonization — and that should tell us everything that's wrong with our degenerate political class.

The atmospherics surrounding this controversy remind me of the mood that prevailed in Washington and much of the country in the run up to the invasion of Iraq: once again, we are confronted with fabricated "evidence"that some Middle Eastern country is assembling "weapons of mass destruction."Once again, anyone who looks like they're trying to avoid war rather than provoke it is smeared as "unpatriotic," and worse. The only difference is that, this time, the War Party isn't bothering to hide the fact that we will be fighting Israel's war.

We have the Israeli Prime Minister calling almost daily for a military strike. There he is at the UN with his ridiculous cartoon of a"chart," demanding we put American lives on the line in order to save Israel from "another Holocaust" — an absurd contention about a nation that has handily beaten its enemies in every war it has ever fought, and which is armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. And we have the Emergency Committee for Israel leading the charge against Hagel, with the Weekly Standard broadcasting the threat of one anonymous coward of a Senate aide, who shrieked:

"Send us Hagel, and we will make sure every American knows he's an anti-Semite."

So if you believe, like Hagel, that war with Iran is "not a viable, feasible, responsible" option — a view he expressed some years ago, when we were still mired in Iraq — then you're not only "not an option" for Secretary of Defense, you're a Jew-hating bigot. Or, at least, some kind of bigot — maybe a "homophobe." Or whatever

[Ball DeBeaver]

This is what happens when you stop bombing Israel


Israel to ease Gaza ban on construction material



Palestinian official says private companies, individuals now allowed to import previously restricted construction materials following Egyptian-mediated truce deal between Hamas, Israel. Defense Ministry: More eases if calm persists AFP Published: 12.26.12, 18:44 / Israel News



Israel is to begin allowing materials for private construction into Gaza, easing its blockade under the terms of a truce deal, Israeli and Palestinian officials said on Wednesday.


The decision will allow private companies and individuals to import construction materials that were previously restricted exclusively to international aid groups under the terms of Israel's blockade.


It comes after an Egyptian-mediated truce deal between Hamas and Israel that ended eight days of fighting last month.


"From Sunday, up to 20 trucks will bring in gravel for the commercial sector daily, except on Friday and Saturday... through the Kerem Shalom crossing in south-east Gaza," Palestinian official Raed Fattuh told AFP.


"This is the first time Israel will allow the import of gravel for the private sector since the blockade began in mid-2007."





Israel has restricted the import of goods into Gaza since 2006, when Palestinian terrorists captured an Israeli soldier in a cross border raid.


The blockade was tightened a year later after Hamas seized Gaza from its Fatah rivals in fighting that erupted after the Islamist group won legislative elections.


Guy Inbar, a spokesman for the Israeli Defense Ministry body that coordinates with the Palestinians, confirmed the new policy, saying the deal would also allow the import of heavy construction vehicles, including bulldozers.



"It's the first time since 2007. It's part of the dialogue, the conversation that we have with the Egyptian side and because of the calm," he said.


"If the calm will continue, then more eases will go through. We're also working on improving the electricity system in the north of Gaza in order to promote and to improve the electricity in that area," he added.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...325036,00.html
     

[seafoid]

Zionism today- it doesn't matter whether you bomb Israel or not

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/2-279-calories-per-person-how-israel-made-sure-gaza-didn-t-starve.premium-1.470419

Israel court order forces state to reveal dry figures behind Gaza blockade
Israel's 'red lines' document for food consumption in the coastal Strip determined that 2,279 calories per person would keep Gazans from starving;

After a three-and-a-half-year legal battle waged by the Gisha human rights organization, the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories has finally released a 2008 document that detailed its "red lines" for "food consumption in the Gaza Strip."

The document calculates the minimum number of calories necessary, in COGAT's view, to keep Gaza residents from malnutrition at a time when Israel was tightening its restrictions on the movement of people and goods in and out of the Strip, including food products and raw materials. The document states that Health Ministry officials were involved in drafting it, and the calculations were based on "a model formulated by the Ministry of Health ... according to average Israeli consumption," though the figures were then "adjusted to culture and experience" in Gaza.

COGAT, appealing a District Court ruling to release the document, stated that it was merely a rough draft, that it was never actually implemented, and that it did not guide Israeli policy in practice. In its objection to the document's publication, COGAT argued that there was no reason to disclose what was essentially internal staff work, a mere proposal that was never actually put into effect. In fact, COGAT told Haaretz on Tuesday, after the document was drafted, the agency never even held a single discussion of it.

But the court disagreed, and on its orders, the document (in two different versions, both from January 2008) was given to Gisha two weeks ago. It is now being published here for the first time. Its very existence was also first reported in Haaretz, in a June 2009 article by Uri Blau and Yotam Feldman.

In September 2007, the cabinet, then headed by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, decided to tighten restrictions on the movement of people and goods to and from the Gaza Strip. The "red lines" document was written about four months afterward.

The cabinet decision stated that "the movement of goods into the Gaza Strip will be restricted; the supply of gas and electricity will be reduced; and restrictions will be imposed on the movement of people from the Strip and to it." In addition, exports from Gaza would be forbidden entirely. However, the resolution added, the restrictions should be tailored to avoid a "humanitarian crisis."

At a High Court hearing on Gisha's petition against this policy, government attorneys Gilad Sherman and Dana Briskman, backed by an affidavit from Col. Shlomi Mukhtar of COGAT, explained that "it is the state's right to decide that it doesn't intend to have economic ties with, or provide economic assistance to, the other party in the conflict, and to adopt a policy of 'economic warfare.'"

From time to time, COGAT officers revised the lists. Thus in late 2008, for instance, COGAT began allowing the import of shampoo ¬ though conditioner was still banned. In 2009, plain processed hummus was taken off the banned list, but hummus with pine nuts was still off-limits.

To obey the cabinet's order to avoid a "humanitarian crisis," COGAT officers devised what they called "sensors" to warn them if there was a risk of impending malnutrition or an impending shortage of the permitted goods. Thus in addition to the "red lines," they produced two other documents: a model for estimating inventories of essential staples in Gaza, and a procedure for allowing the entry of goods into the Strip.

In practice, COGAT says, policy was guided by the inventory estimation model and the procedure for the entry of goods, not by the "red lines" document.

Following another petition to the High Court by Gisha, these two documents were published by Haaretz in October 2010.

"The quantification wasn't done in order to arrive at a minimum threshold or restrict the quantities, but the opposite ¬ to ensure that there was no shortage," a COGAT official maintained Tuesday.

Gisha, however, doubts the claim that the "red lines" document was never actually used. For instance, it said, the prosecution evidently relied on the minimum threshold the document sets for meat (300 calves imported each week) when it argued in court against Gisha's request that the quota be increased during the Eid al-Fitr holiday, at the end of Ramadan. COGAT responded that this particular figure was part of the inventory estimation model, and therefore that it was in use.

International humanitarian organizations use a model called the Sphere standards to gauge a population's needs and determine the aid that should sent to it in an emergency (whether war or natural disaster). This model is far more complex and less mathematical than the "red lines." But the most significant difference is that the "red lines" and the inventory estimation model were both devised by the very party that deliberately created the emergency situation, and that effectively controls both the territory and the population.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Would you like me to repost something from 2 months ago too? 

[seafoid]

"From Sunday, up to 20 trucks will bring in gravel for the commercial sector daily"

20 trucks a day - 13 tonnes per truck- 260 tonnes per day. Big swinging circumcised mickey

How many tonnes would Limerick have gone through in one average day while the Tiger was working?
Gaza  has 20+ times the population of Limerick.

[seafoid]

Would you like me to repost something from 2 months ago too? 

Nothing has changed in 2 months.
It's the system that's rotten. Israel is run by the same sociopaths. The same mindless cruelty.

And it is all supposed to be the fulfilment of God's covenant with the Jewish people. You couldn't make it up .  The Messiah is due any day now.

[Ball DeBeaver]

Would you like me to repost something from 2 months ago too? 

Nothing has changed in 2 months.
It's the system that's rotten. Israel is run by the same sociopaths. The same mindless cruelty.

And it is all supposed to be the fulfilment of God's covenant with the Jewish people. You couldn't make it up .  The Messiah is due any day now.

The pals will probably claim he's one of theirs too, the way they now claim Jesus was palestinian, not jewish. 

[Ball DeBeaver]

Israel Targeted Gaza Civilians – with Humanitarian Aid

Israel "targeted" Gaza civilians with humanitarian aid while Gaza terrorists committed war crimes by firing missiles on Israelis.


AAFont Size
By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
First Publish: 12/24/2012, 10:32 AM




Israel "targeted" Gaza civilians with humanitarian aid during the counterterrorist Pillar of Defense operation, at the same time Gaza terrorists committed war crimes by firing missiles on Israelis, as cited by Human Rights Watch on Monday.



The IDF Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) said that throughout the eight-day missile war last month, COGAT's field representatives in Gaza worked with the IDF, other branches of the Israeli defense establishment, international organizations and governmental representatives in order to provide assistance for the needs of the civilian population in Gaza.

"While Hamas actively exploits and endangers their civilians, COGAT's activities are yet another example of the measures that Israel takes to minimize casualties and harm amongst that very same population," the IDF said.

Erez Crossing, the pedestrian terminal between Israel and Gaza, was fully operational for emergency evacuations throughout Pillar of Defense.

While the Kerem Shalom Crossing, the commercial goods terminal between Israel and Gaza, was open for three days of the operation, the threat of rocket fire kept wary truck drivers on both sides of the border away, and rockets were actually fired towards the crossing during the transfer of goods.

Throughout Operation Pillar of Defense, food stores in Gaza remained at high levels.

COGAT placed special emphasis on prioritizing health related requests, whether supply requests or exit permits for treatment in Israel. Israel continued to supply 125 MW of electricity to Gaza through the 10 electrical lines connecting Israel and Gaza.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163496

[muppet]

That last post is hilarious.

You give good spam.

[seafoid]

That last post is hilarious.

You give good spam.

They are very ashamed of what they are doing in Gaza and they try to spin it
but it's pathetic.

I'm sure if BdeB had been around in 1846 he'd have been accusing the starving people of Cavan town
of anti Protestantism.