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#1
Derry v Roscommon - Derry
Dublin v Tyrone - Dublin
Kerry v Galway - Kerry
Monaghan v Mayo - Mayo

Cavan v Fermanagh - Cavan
Cork v Armagh - Armagh
Donegal v Meath - Donegal
Kildare v Louth - Louth

Antrim v Wicklow - Antrim
Down v Clare - Down
Offaly v Limerick - Offaly
Sligo v Westmeath - Westmeath

Carlow v London - Carlow
Waterford v Laois - Laois
Wexford v Longford - Wexford
Leitrim v Tipperary - Leitrim
#2
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
March 17, 2024, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 16, 2024, 09:53:03 PMJaysus Cavan men; was expecting a lot more from yous today. Bar a few times in the second half when we struggled with our kickouts although the game was long over we never had any issues at all.
Can't know what happened. We lost a few men before throw in, and some lads with no games since Round 2 came in, but jeez we were still so bad and open.
#3
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
March 16, 2024, 04:53:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 16, 2024, 04:33:39 PMPadraig Faulkner not warming up for Cavan which tips the tie even more in Armaghs favour
McVeety replaces him. Kiernan in for McLoughlin, Ryan Donohoe for Gerry Smith too. Cormac O'Reilly takes the 12 jersey
#4
Galway v Dublin - Dublin
Tyrone v Monaghan - Tyrone
Roscommon v Kerry - Kerry
Mayo v Derry - Derry

Armagh v Cavan - Armagh
Kildare v Donegal - Donegal
Meath v Cork - Meath
Louth v Fermanagh - Louth

Wicklow v Limerick - Limerick
Clare v Antrim - Clare
Sligo v Offaly - Sligo
Westmeath v Down - Westmeath

London v Waterford - London
Laois v Leitrim - Laois
Tipperary v Wexford - Wexford
Longford v Carlow - Longford
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
March 09, 2024, 05:46:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2024, 05:31:36 PMCavan 2-13 Armagh 0-16

First part of the double secured
Class result for the lads, showing the hard work being done. Have gone up a division and not looked out of place at all
#6
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 08, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.

Well, they have continually underfunded the north  for years , so  not stumping up money for Casement would be  nothing new.
Oh absolutely, but getting one upped by the Irish government? I can't see it
#7
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
No Brit money = no Euro soccer = GAA have £80m (possibly plus our €50m).
Who then is going to pay the extra £75m to build a 34k capacity Ulster Final Stadium?
Just asking a realistic question ;)
First off, the GAA requirements are not the full cost of the stadium. GAA needs are far less than the UEFA standard, so if no Euros, or they don't want to host UEFA matches or such in future, then the cost gets revised down quite a bit from the silly figures being bandied about the place. I can't see how the British are let off with putting in no more money here, Euros or not. The original NI executive allowance is very far below inflation levels, and in order for some sort of stadium to be built, they will come in with something. I can't see how it will be swallowed politically if Ireland chumps in with 50million a few weeks ago and they do nothing, yet will get the tax proceeds of a stadium there. A very good stadium can be built with no Euros, but the point being is for a little bit more, the Euros can be done and you leave a modern legacy stadium there for all and paid off nearly immediately.
#8
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2024, 11:39:52 AMIf the Euro soccer doesn't happen due to no more £s from the Brits then provide what you can with the funds available..new pitch, 5,000 seat stand, some terracing.
Imagine thinking a GAA style stadium straight from the 60s would be sufficient going forward for years... Clones needs replaced, an Ulster final location is needed. Your suggestion ain't it
#9
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 08, 2024, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2024, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 07, 2024, 08:30:34 PM1. The Brits are not going to top up the funding for the sake of 4 matches imo.

2. The IFA is one of the key institutions of partition but is very weak at the moment. I didn't realise how poor it was.

3. This is about ideology versus money. Partition and sectarianism are stupid. Refusing to play in Casement might be consistent but it would also be stupid.

This must be the first time on the North, assuming that Casement goes ahead, that the Croppies have superior infrastructure to the chosen people. That is why it is so interesting. Usually culture war participants don't turn up.their noses at money.



Let's see
5 games. But this is literally the point. They selected Casement as part of the bid. So they can't have it both ways here. They can't select it, but not pay for it considering what the games would bring in
They could, however, decide that the Casement project is going to require too much financial investment and use one of the ready-to-go ground that are on the reserve list.
The games would still "bring in" the same to the UK economy. And not cost them a significant outlay.
To a point. If it's a ready built one in or near another city in the plan (like the 4 stadia that didn't go forward are Old Trafford with Etihad already there, and London Stadium with already 2 others in London, Croker with Aviva already there, and Sunderland) means you just absorb those in already but will there be any actual extra spending? If having to travel to Belfast and stay then they may spend more than if they stayed in England somewhere where they were anyway for game before. That spending makes a huge difference in Belfast than London or Manchester

Also, infrastructure building needs to be considered and it's an easy way to build stuff that will pay itself off. The soccer people won't be happy with it, but one thing about Casement is it will be a legacy left and will be seen as UK investment in local infrastructure when they will be spending anyway. If it lost out to already there stadia like Old Trafford and London (although upgrades will be needed on both) then that's a very bad look on stuff there already and upgrading already rich football clubs grounds while Casement sits idle. Make no mistake here, if this does not go ahead there, and Casement is not bult, then it is huge governance failure on multiple levels
#10
Quote from: LeoMc on March 08, 2024, 10:43:33 AMDoes the glider run past Casement?
Perhaps another example of short sighted penny pinching!
If they had gone all out with a tram system instead of a bendy bus and had extended it to Lisburn train station and Sprucefield they would have had a partial solution to the lack of parking.
Not as yet, but in the plan there is allowances for a Glider stop with increased on event day. Talk of a separate park and ride nearby too
#11
Quote from: seafoid on March 07, 2024, 08:30:34 PM1. The Brits are not going to top up the funding for the sake of 4 matches imo.

2. The IFA is one of the key institutions of partition but is very weak at the moment. I didn't realise how poor it was.

3. This is about ideology versus money. Partition and sectarianism are stupid. Refusing to play in Casement might be consistent but it would also be stupid.

This must be the first time on the North, assuming that Casement goes ahead, that the Croppies have superior infrastructure to the chosen people. That is why it is so interesting. Usually culture war participants don't turn up.their noses at money.



Let's see
5 games. But this is literally the point. They selected Casement as part of the bid. So they can't have it both ways here. They can't select it, but not pay for it considering what the games would bring in
#12
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 06, 2024, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 06, 2024, 09:00:52 AMI think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.

No it will be just the same footprint but one end that was originally planned to be fully terrace will have seats for the euros due to UEFA criteria but post euros can have the seats removed and rails for terracing then placed bringing capacity back up from 30000 to 34500
Ah right so. There is allowance for temp seats to go further into the field and not have the pitch so big for soccer, right? I recall reading that before
#13
I think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.
#14
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2024, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 05, 2024, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 04, 2024, 11:11:39 AMI'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?



Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?


Yes. Is this honestly hard to understand. Sport is a massive net benefit to both the community and the exchequer/government. Government benefits hugely from a) the building work, b) events held locally, people spending money, c) health benefits of raising interest in sport.

The government SHOULD absolutely pay into capital projects in this as they have vested interests and they make it back many fold in what sport does for the economy and community at large. And all profits by the sporting organisation tends to be ploughed back in to the community. GAA puts back in 87p of every quid it gets in. Governments know it is in their interest to support and fund sport capital projects, and not to be the one in receipt of profits as they make it back anyway without hindering or handicapping the sport itself. Jeez, can we actually think about this for an actual minute?
#15
Quote from: The Trap on March 05, 2024, 02:25:30 PMOK Trailer you tell us how Casement will make the 10 million a year it will need to wash its face?
Thats based on a 200 million spend with 5% running costs per annum.

Can't believe you typed out 10 million running costs with a straight face. Where on earth are you getting that from?