Search for New Mayo Manager

[Canalman]

No dog in this fight. Have to say that the way the Mayo team played in 2015 to me anyway didn't look like a team poorly prepared. They imo again, put a Dublin team playing very well to the pin of their collar twice in the AISF and could have won both of the games. Dublin in the 2016 AIFs ( imo again) were not a patch on the team the previous year when only the monsoon conditions prevented us from hammering Kerry (imvho) .

[StephenC]

There are no towns between Letterkenny and Derry. There are a couple of villages who could potentially add 2-3 minutes to a journey. I suppose that on such fine margins rest the fate of the All-Ireland.

[Il Bomber Destro]

The first is that team lacked some balls and fight below in Limerick when it came to the crunch and that Kerry bullied us. As one Mayo poster alluded this was not the case, it wasn't a 'lack of balls' that gave away the soft goals that day. I heard the same guff was dished out after the FBD loss to Roscommon in one of the H/C's early games. This motivational technique certainly didn't work and was never going to. So bad start on this particular communication front by the new managers.

I find this an absurd gripe from the player's perspective, it this was a genuine gripe with them then it shows how precious some of these players really are and that's not a good thing.

[Il Bomber Destro]

If people in Mayo blacklist the Indo because of running an interview it will be even more ridiculous than Mickey shunning RTE because of a radio skit. This wasn't the Sun shaming the dead from Hillsborough. It hardly even reads particularly sensationally. The paper did absolutely no wrong in all this. It's the players, the CB and the two lads in that order that are to blame for what happened last year.

The behaviour of a bunch of Mayo primadonnas, does not warrant being mentioned in the same sentence as a father mourning the loss of his murdered daughter. Not on this planet, or on any other.

It's par the course for that sewer rat to make little of Mickey Harte's family tragedy unfortunately.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Why were Mayo players so against H&C from start? Was it do with chairman appointing his brother as manager? Holmes/Connelly were in charge in 06 when Mayo won u21 All Ireland .Holmes himself won National League as manager in 2001 and guiding Castlebar to club final. Would they not have been good credentials for the job. Did the manner in which Castlebar lost to Vincents(not man marking Connolly) in club final put doubts in players minds that Holmes was not up to the job tactically?

The irony of this against the backdrop of players canvassing management to include their clubmates and brothers and then Mayo fans castigating one group for nepotism while praising the others for it.

[INDIANA]

There's no inus on H & C to have the best interests of Mayo football in mind when they're setting the record straight. Why should they be expected to remain silent when every half-truth peddled about them gained credence due to their silence. To suggest they broke trusts is also off..you cant break whats already been broken. Id imagine both men and their families lost many nights sleep with the whole affair; now they`ve set it straight they can move on.
Calling them 'old school' is nonsense when all the gps stuff, high end camera work etc was being done. If old school means managing and not taking input in selection from guys whose job it is to play, then jim Gavin, Michael Ryan, fitzmsurice and Cody are positively dinosaurs.
There'll be no player answer... Not because they're "bigger than that" but because they know that H & C s account is the reality. H & C can move on with their heads up; if the mayo players look honestly at themselves and this affair (as Cunniffe did) then they perhaps can too. Rochford & mc Entee
Can also add to their experience of the group by what has been revealed. If they learn and address matters, Mayo can be bettered by it.

Oh for FFS.
Record straight me hole. They've given their version of events as they saw it, hardly the definite recount of what went on.
Not even taking into account what went on through the year, believe me lads...face palm stuff,.they were hit below the water line from the start due to the shambolic way they were appointed.
Kevin McStay in comparison has shown true class by how he's conducted himself since.

Genuine question - what's the issue with the appointment process? Why was it such a deal breaker?

There wasn't some huge transparant process for Jim Gavin's appointment - he was offered the position and after some haggling took it

Just playing Devil's Advocate here Heffo, but I remember things threatening to go sour with regards the appointment of Gilroy and Whelan in 2009/early champo 2010. Vincents ruling the roost etc. All turned out well of course but when Meath/Kerry/(nearly wexford) handed them their arses, it wasnt so rosy.

Am aware of that but in Gilroy's case that wasn't down to anyone pulling strokes around his appointment - Jim Gavin got a fair interview for the position at the time.

It's also not so long ago that Dublin were the basket case's of disfunctionality - I just cant get my head around the universal support of the player's from Mayo posters even if H&C were weak.

I find nothing wrong with any of that. Maybe it's not a case of every single Mayo posters backing the players unconditionally. H&C were weak, very weak and they allowed dominant characters too dominate proceedings which pissed off other players and this had a snowballing effect...
Sean Boylan or Jim Gavin or any other manager of note including James Horan would never allow this to happen.
The awesome twosome got a remit;  manage the team and this they did not do.
My problem here is that the two of them are bleating away in public about the nasty bullies who wouldn't do what they were told, as all good little boys should. FFS, there was and always be tensions in any panel who have ambitions of any sort to better themselves. I'd expect that a good number on the Mayo or any other panel don't get on well with some of the others. If there is no jockeying for positions then any team won't get anywhere.
H&C were given a prominent platform to present their side of things without any effort being made to bring a sense of objectivity into their presentation. Breheny made no effort to do this and I can't understand why so many posters here seem to feel that what he wrote is the definitive account of what really happened.
I'd say the vast majority of Mayo fans would like both sides of the argument to be presented if there is a need to wash the dirty linen in public, do so in an evenhanded manner.

The point you're missing Lar is how tenable is the current management's position?

It's clear as day the players selected the goalkeeper for the replayed final. To me that is the point of no return for any management team.

This goes far beyond anything to do with previous management's teams not being up to it.

It brings into question the integrity of the current selection and who is making the decisions.

[muppet]

There's no inus on H & C to have the best interests of Mayo football in mind when they're setting the record straight. Why should they be expected to remain silent when every half-truth peddled about them gained credence due to their silence. To suggest they broke trusts is also off..you cant break whats already been broken. Id imagine both men and their families lost many nights sleep with the whole affair; now they`ve set it straight they can move on.
Calling them 'old school' is nonsense when all the gps stuff, high end camera work etc was being done. If old school means managing and not taking input in selection from guys whose job it is to play, then jim Gavin, Michael Ryan, fitzmsurice and Cody are positively dinosaurs.
There'll be no player answer... Not because they're "bigger than that" but because they know that H & C s account is the reality. H & C can move on with their heads up; if the mayo players look honestly at themselves and this affair (as Cunniffe did) then they perhaps can too. Rochford & mc Entee
Can also add to their experience of the group by what has been revealed. If they learn and address matters, Mayo can be bettered by it.

Oh for FFS.
Record straight me hole. They've given their version of events as they saw it, hardly the definite recount of what went on.
Not even taking into account what went on through the year, believe me lads...face palm stuff,.they were hit below the water line from the start due to the shambolic way they were appointed.
Kevin McStay in comparison has shown true class by how he's conducted himself since.

Genuine question - what's the issue with the appointment process? Why was it such a deal breaker?

There wasn't some huge transparant process for Jim Gavin's appointment - he was offered the position and after some haggling took it

Just playing Devil's Advocate here Heffo, but I remember things threatening to go sour with regards the appointment of Gilroy and Whelan in 2009/early champo 2010. Vincents ruling the roost etc. All turned out well of course but when Meath/Kerry/(nearly wexford) handed them their arses, it wasnt so rosy.

Am aware of that but in Gilroy's case that wasn't down to anyone pulling strokes around his appointment - Jim Gavin got a fair interview for the position at the time.

It's also not so long ago that Dublin were the basket case's of disfunctionality - I just cant get my head around the universal support of the player's from Mayo posters even if H&C were weak.

I find nothing wrong with any of that. Maybe it's not a case of every single Mayo posters backing the players unconditionally. H&C were weak, very weak and they allowed dominant characters too dominate proceedings which pissed off other players and this had a snowballing effect...
Sean Boylan or Jim Gavin or any other manager of note including James Horan would never allow this to happen.
The awesome twosome got a remit;  manage the team and this they did not do.
My problem here is that the two of them are bleating away in public about the nasty bullies who wouldn't do what they were told, as all good little boys should. FFS, there was and always be tensions in any panel who have ambitions of any sort to better themselves. I'd expect that a good number on the Mayo or any other panel don't get on well with some of the others. If there is no jockeying for positions then any team won't get anywhere.
H&C were given a prominent platform to present their side of things without any effort being made to bring a sense of objectivity into their presentation. Breheny made no effort to do this and I can't understand why so many posters here seem to feel that what he wrote is the definitive account of what really happened.
I'd say the vast majority of Mayo fans would like both sides of the argument to be presented if there is a need to wash the dirty linen in public, do so in an evenhanded manner.

The point you're missing Lar is how tenable is the current management's position?

It's clear as day the players selected the goalkeeper for the replayed final. To me that is the point of no return for any management team.

This goes far beyond anything to do with previous management's teams not being up to it.

It brings into question the integrity of the current selection and who is making the decisions.

Where did you get fantasy this from?

[Il Bomber Destro]

There's no inus on H & C to have the best interests of Mayo football in mind when they're setting the record straight. Why should they be expected to remain silent when every half-truth peddled about them gained credence due to their silence. To suggest they broke trusts is also off..you cant break whats already been broken. Id imagine both men and their families lost many nights sleep with the whole affair; now they`ve set it straight they can move on.
Calling them 'old school' is nonsense when all the gps stuff, high end camera work etc was being done. If old school means managing and not taking input in selection from guys whose job it is to play, then jim Gavin, Michael Ryan, fitzmsurice and Cody are positively dinosaurs.
There'll be no player answer... Not because they're "bigger than that" but because they know that H & C s account is the reality. H & C can move on with their heads up; if the mayo players look honestly at themselves and this affair (as Cunniffe did) then they perhaps can too. Rochford & mc Entee
Can also add to their experience of the group by what has been revealed. If they learn and address matters, Mayo can be bettered by it.

Oh for FFS.
Record straight me hole. They've given their version of events as they saw it, hardly the definite recount of what went on.
Not even taking into account what went on through the year, believe me lads...face palm stuff,.they were hit below the water line from the start due to the shambolic way they were appointed.
Kevin McStay in comparison has shown true class by how he's conducted himself since.

Genuine question - what's the issue with the appointment process? Why was it such a deal breaker?

There wasn't some huge transparant process for Jim Gavin's appointment - he was offered the position and after some haggling took it

Just playing Devil's Advocate here Heffo, but I remember things threatening to go sour with regards the appointment of Gilroy and Whelan in 2009/early champo 2010. Vincents ruling the roost etc. All turned out well of course but when Meath/Kerry/(nearly wexford) handed them their arses, it wasnt so rosy.

Am aware of that but in Gilroy's case that wasn't down to anyone pulling strokes around his appointment - Jim Gavin got a fair interview for the position at the time.

It's also not so long ago that Dublin were the basket case's of disfunctionality - I just cant get my head around the universal support of the player's from Mayo posters even if H&C were weak.

I find nothing wrong with any of that. Maybe it's not a case of every single Mayo posters backing the players unconditionally. H&C were weak, very weak and they allowed dominant characters too dominate proceedings which pissed off other players and this had a snowballing effect...
Sean Boylan or Jim Gavin or any other manager of note including James Horan would never allow this to happen.
The awesome twosome got a remit;  manage the team and this they did not do.
My problem here is that the two of them are bleating away in public about the nasty bullies who wouldn't do what they were told, as all good little boys should. FFS, there was and always be tensions in any panel who have ambitions of any sort to better themselves. I'd expect that a good number on the Mayo or any other panel don't get on well with some of the others. If there is no jockeying for positions then any team won't get anywhere.
H&C were given a prominent platform to present their side of things without any effort being made to bring a sense of objectivity into their presentation. Breheny made no effort to do this and I can't understand why so many posters here seem to feel that what he wrote is the definitive account of what really happened.
I'd say the vast majority of Mayo fans would like both sides of the argument to be presented if there is a need to wash the dirty linen in public, do so in an evenhanded manner.

The point you're missing Lar is how tenable is the current management's position?

It's clear as day the players selected the goalkeeper for the replayed final. To me that is the point of no return for any management team.

This goes far beyond anything to do with previous management's teams not being up to it.

It brings into question the integrity of the current selection and who is making the decisions.

Where did you get fantasy this from?

Couldn't be any more fantasist than your blinkered contributions on this thread?

Do you blame Holmes and Connelly for 2015?

[IolarCoisCuain]

One of the most damning things about the whole episode is why no explanation was given to the management as to why they were being told to leave.

A more detailed explanation was given to management. That more detailed explanation hasn't appeared in the interview with the Independent. It's absence could explain some of the confusion outside the county towards the general attitude inside the county to the whole thing.

The players could make a statement of course, but what would be the point? After all, as Syferus points out, the former management's story

hardly even reads particularly sensationally.

Why bore the nation further?

[GalwayBayBoy]

The media response seems to be pro-player in general.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/cheap-shots-have-harmed-mayo-436002.html

Although I'm sure there's a certain amount of self-interest involved there.
H & C have no real value to most sports hacks.

Well that's exactly it. The Off the Ball crew were almost indigently pro the players on both the wireless and on twitter. You'd swear they were personally related to half of them. But as you say H & C are of no use to them now. Some of the players will probably be asked on for interviews in the future so makes sense to keep them sweet.

[Buckass]

Must say I found the weekend piece an interesting one. Not a fan of breheny but he hit on a good one there. Was talk of our workplace all week. Most GAA lads found it revealing too, especially re:goalkeeping selection hints. What's not said about the logistics guy is fascinating too...was he a Roman abromovich type sugar daddy & some were unhappy when Molly was taken away.
Indo was sold out all round here on the Saturday. While a few wondered why H & C bothered general sentiment was that it was revealing. The lack of specifics way back when was kind of strange.
Agree its strange that the mayos here are very 1sided & I get the anger at your county board. Loyalty to players is admirable, they're the ones ye cheer in the future. However, the "H & C were good servants but should have hone quietly into the dark night" attitude is baffling.
From a neutral view I thought Mayo went backwards last year & missed a gilt-edged opportunity against a Dublin side that were nothing to the 2015 version.
The talent & appetite is there for Mayo... Having too many balls in the air (interviews\mcguiness denials\sports swaps\concerns outside playing)means keeping the eye on the one that matters is difficult.if they lock down mcguinness style & adopt a " prove every1 wrong(in their eyes) attitude" they could actually prove every1 (h & c included) right.

[StephenC]

A more detailed explanation was given to management. That more detailed explanation hasn't appeared in the interview with the Independent. It's absence could explain some of the confusion outside the county towards the general attitude inside the county to the whole thing.

Are you suggesting that the more detailed explanation was shared with people in Mayo? That's simply not true.

[Syferus]

The media response seems to be pro-player in general.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/cheap-shots-have-harmed-mayo-436002.html

Although I'm sure there's a certain amount of self-interest involved there.
H & C have no real value to most sports hacks.

Well that's exactly it. The Off the Ball crew were almost indigently pro the players on both the wireless and on twitter. You'd swear they were personally related to half of them. But as you say H & C are of no use to them now. Some of the players will probably be asked on for interviews in the future so makes sense to keep them sweet.

+1

A sorry indictment of sports journalism in this country. The one time in forever we get a real coup half the media are too afraid of angering sources to even attempt to side with the mangers when common sense and simply looking atbwhat happened pre and most H&C tells you this is a murky tale on all sides. Doesn't bode well for those same journalists pulling off similar scoops in the future, does it?

[Lar Naparka]

There's no inus on H & C to have the best interests of Mayo football in mind when they're setting the record straight. Why should they be expected to remain silent when every half-truth peddled about them gained credence due to their silence. To suggest they broke trusts is also off..you cant break whats already been broken. Id imagine both men and their families lost many nights sleep with the whole affair; now they`ve set it straight they can move on.
Calling them 'old school' is nonsense when all the gps stuff, high end camera work etc was being done. If old school means managing and not taking input in selection from guys whose job it is to play, then jim Gavin, Michael Ryan, fitzmsurice and Cody are positively dinosaurs.
There'll be no player answer... Not because they're "bigger than that" but because they know that H & C s account is the reality. H & C can move on with their heads up; if the mayo players look honestly at themselves and this affair (as Cunniffe did) then they perhaps can too. Rochford & mc Entee
Can also add to their experience of the group by what has been revealed. If they learn and address matters, Mayo can be bettered by it.

Oh for FFS.
Record straight me hole. They've given their version of events as they saw it, hardly the definite recount of what went on.
Not even taking into account what went on through the year, believe me lads...face palm stuff,.they were hit below the water line from the start due to the shambolic way they were appointed.
Kevin McStay in comparison has shown true class by how he's conducted himself since.

Genuine question - what's the issue with the appointment process? Why was it such a deal breaker?

There wasn't some huge transparant process for Jim Gavin's appointment - he was offered the position and after some haggling took it

Just playing Devil's Advocate here Heffo, but I remember things threatening to go sour with regards the appointment of Gilroy and Whelan in 2009/early champo 2010. Vincents ruling the roost etc. All turned out well of course but when Meath/Kerry/(nearly wexford) handed them their arses, it wasnt so rosy.

Am aware of that but in Gilroy's case that wasn't down to anyone pulling strokes around his appointment - Jim Gavin got a fair interview for the position at the time.

It's also not so long ago that Dublin were the basket case's of disfunctionality - I just cant get my head around the universal support of the player's from Mayo posters even if H&C were weak.

I find nothing wrong with any of that. Maybe it's not a case of every single Mayo posters backing the players unconditionally. H&C were weak, very weak and they allowed dominant characters too dominate proceedings which pissed off other players and this had a snowballing effect...
Sean Boylan or Jim Gavin or any other manager of note including James Horan would never allow this to happen.
The awesome twosome got a remit;  manage the team and this they did not do.
My problem here is that the two of them are bleating away in public about the nasty bullies who wouldn't do what they were told, as all good little boys should. FFS, there was and always be tensions in any panel who have ambitions of any sort to better themselves. I'd expect that a good number on the Mayo or any other panel don't get on well with some of the others. If there is no jockeying for positions then any team won't get anywhere.
H&C were given a prominent platform to present their side of things without any effort being made to bring a sense of objectivity into their presentation. Breheny made no effort to do this and I can't understand why so many posters here seem to feel that what he wrote is the definitive account of what really happened.
I'd say the vast majority of Mayo fans would like both sides of the argument to be presented if there is a need to wash the dirty linen in public, do so in an evenhanded manner.

The point you're missing Lar is how tenable is the current management's position?

It's clear as day the players selected the goalkeeper for the replayed final. To me that is the point of no return for any management team.

This goes far beyond anything to do with previous management's teams not being up to it.

It brings into question the integrity of the current selection and who is making the decisions.

Ah no, I don't think anyone in Mayo has not wondered about the change of goalie. It's nowhere as clear as day that a pressure group forced Rochford to act against his better judgement.
You see, you are not talking about schoolboys here. That Mayo team has plenty of lads who wouldn't be pushed around too easily by anyone.
The idea that all of them were cowed into submission by a couple of colleagues seems fantastical.
Dunno much about Rochford really but it's telling that there was no signs of rancour in the camp throughout the 2016 season, right up to the team announcement for the reply.
Let's say that a bunch of hard chaws pressured the panel into calling for the removal of H&C when the team were performing quite well.
Now, along comes Rochford a newbie at intercounty managership level. and his team performed very poorly indeed. It took an incredible run of good luck to bring Mayo into this year's All Ireland.
They seemed to have re-discovered their cojones at that stage but it  took a miracle to take them there. Now, there wasn't a dicky bird from inside the camp to indicate that there was tension in the setup. Most of Mayo were on the alert for any signs of trouble because the way the team started off would indicate that all wasn't well but all seemed under control right throughout the season.
Going by the local papers, out today, all of last year's panel have indicated that they are available for next year, so it appears that there's no fallout over the goalie switch either.
Unlike the armchair experts who know far more about Mayo football than the entire number of Mayo posters on the board, I find the whole setup is far from straightforward.

[Rossfan]

Hurry up and get to 100 pages.