Time to Split Dublin

Started by Dont Matter, September 22, 2013, 05:28:16 PM

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Is it right that Dublin got 7 million to implement a plan to dominate the GAA World?

Yes
42 (29%)
No
103 (71%)

Total Members Voted: 145

rodney trotter

Cut in the grant aid for next year


While no specific figure has been mentioned, there's a clear recommendation from the Association's financial planners to "reduce the funding to Dublin over time in the interests of equalisation."

It comes as part of a wide-ranging review of central funding to counties, undertaken by the GAA's National Financial Management Committee (NFMC) at the behest of director-general Paraic Duffy.

Among the others recommendations are:

1 - Allocation of higher grants to smaller counties.

2 - Abolishing the annual €400,000 hurley and helmet subsidy.






3 - Adjusting the income share-out from the Allianz Leagues and providing an incentive for counties to market their 'home' games.

4 - Formally identifying what constitutes a 'smaller' county for funding purposes.

5 - Reviewing the charge for season tickets and their availability so as to protect league income.

The proposal to cut Dublin's allocation for coaching and games development will prove contentious in the capital but is likely to be welcomed elsewhere.

There has been complaints from some counties in recent times that Dublin's capacity to line up major sponsorship deals gives them a big financial advantage over most of their rivals.

Dublin's success in football and hurling has widened their appeal in the corporate world, further increasing their ability to land big sponsorships at a time when smaller counties, in particular, are finding it difficult to attract substantial backers.

That, in turn, has led to claims that Dublin are flying on a much higher financial orbit than most of the other counties.

Dublin's most recent coaching/games development grant was just over €1.5 million, equating to 25pc of the total budget for all 32 counties. It was more than six times higher than second-placed Cork, who received €224,000.

Dublin's total was just under the entire allocation for the other 11 Leinster counties. However, Dublin are catering for a population of 1.3 million, which is higher than the rest of Leinster combined.

The NFMC's report notes that GAA funding is supplemented by Irish Sports Council grants, based on the numbers participating in various sports.

"Historically, Dublin received a specific grant from the Irish Sports Council. This is no longer the situation but the coaches are in place and continue to be funded. Coaches are employed, based on the need as identified by the provincial council in conjunction with the National Coaching & Games Committee.

"In the interests of equalisation and of achieving a better funding distribution balance, it is proposed to reduce the funding allocation to Dublin over time.

"This can only be done on a phased basis and, at the same time, the participation numbers need to be factored in, as we cannot withdraw funding from areas that may impact on Irish Sports Council funding," states the report.

Dublin will be deeply unhappy at any proposal that involves less funding at a time when the city continues to expand, thus adding to the challenges facing existing GAA clubs, some of whom haven't got the facilities to deal with soaring numbers. Setting up new clubs is not a feasible option in many areas either, since there's no available land for pitches.

Besides, establishing a new club is a costly operation.

Deciding on what constitutes a 'smaller county' for funding purposes presented a challenge but the NMFC have decided on a number of criteria.

The first requirement is for a population of less than 100,000, with due recognition given to Ulster counties where, the NMFC notes, "the full population will not be supporting Gaelic Games."

However, Division 1 and 2 counties will not be considered for extra-grant aid.

Reserves

The same will apply to counties with solid financial reserves. Counties with fewer than 35 clubs would classify as weaker counties, although quite where that leaves Roscommon is a moot point. They have 32 clubs but will be in Division 2 of the National Football League next year.

The €400,000 per annum hurley and helmet subsidy is no longer seen as necessary; instead the money will be allocated to smaller counties.

The last pay-out under this scheme ranged from €36,000 for Cork to €6,000 each for Cavan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan and Tyrone.

Other payments included sums of between €30,400 and €20,800 going to Dublin, Kilkenny, Galway, Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford and Wexford.

Distribution of National League money will continue in much the same format as heretofore but a basic minimum return will apply for each county. It's also proposed to provide a marketing budget to counties to promote their 'home' games.

That has been a contentious issue for many years, with counties arguing that they should be supported in their marketing of League games and allowed to retain a higher percentage of the gate money.

In order to improve cash flows to county boards, the distribution of an annual €175,000 grant will be paid on a staggered basis, starting in January and finishing in October.

However, that's dependent on strict adherence to various requirements, including the provision of up-to-date accounts throughout the year, starting in January and ending in October.

Failure to meet the deadlines will result in the loss of €5,000.

armaghniac

Quotealthough quite where that leaves Roscommon is a moot point. They have 32 clubs but will be in Division 2 of the National Football League next year.

St Brigid's should be split in 4 to make up the required number of clubs.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Rossfan

And Crossmaglen should be made field a separate team from each street to make the Armagh championship competitive again ;)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

armaghniac

Quote from: Rossfan on October 22, 2014, 03:13:17 PM
And Crossmaglen should be made field a separate team from each street to make the Armagh championship competitive again ;)

Fortunately the Kernan's no longer all live with the Da, otherwise this wouldn't work.
But you could exclude players and managers who live in Creggan.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B



manfromdelmonte

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

Dublin claiming the bulk of GAA's development funds
Annual financial report for 2014 shows capital netting more than the other combined 31 counties

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Michael Schmeichal

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2015, 08:11:54 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

Dublin claiming the bulk of GAA's development funds
Annual financial report for 2014 shows capital netting more than the other combined 31 counties

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As Padraig Duffy said those figures are completely misleading as Dublin's coaching wage bill is accounted for in their total while this is not the case for every other county. This won;t stop the usual suspects pissing and moaning though.


kerryforsam16

 SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

The Aristocrat

Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 20, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

How much tax have Kerry GAA paid on the 6 million dollars they brought back from the states.

Why are the under 16 girls team wearing GPS tracking systems, how much did that cost, do other counties have those facilities.

How many soft all Irelands are Kerry willing to give back>? I would deduct them at least 20

seafoid

Time to split the full back line more than anything else
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

kerryforsam16

Quote from: The Aristocrat on July 20, 2016, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 20, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

How much tax have Kerry GAA paid on the 6 million dollars they brought back from the states.

Why are the under 16 girls team wearing GPS tracking systems, how much did that cost, do other counties have those facilities.

How many soft all Irelands are Kerry willing to give back>? I would deduct them at least 20

how many all irelands medals have you? no such thing as handy all ireland.

The Aristocrat

Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 20, 2016, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on July 20, 2016, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 20, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

How much tax have Kerry GAA paid on the 6 million dollars they brought back from the states.

Why are the under 16 girls team wearing GPS tracking systems, how much did that cost, do other counties have those facilities.

How many soft all Irelands are Kerry willing to give back>? I would deduct them at least 20

how many all irelands medals have you? no such thing as handy all ireland.

1 club all Ireland.

You are right, but there are easier routes to winning it which Kerry have had for the last 100 years.

But sure . . . .


westbound

How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?

The Aristocrat

Quote from: westbound on July 21, 2016, 09:27:54 AM
How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?

Please look at history, look through the 70s /80s, play Cork, then say play Antrim or another Nordie team and back then lets face it they were not great and then play a weakened team in the final unless it was Dublin.

3 games. 1 of them a handy number.

Some reading.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-lucky-kingdoms-allireland-route-proves-its-time-for-a-qualifier-rethink-34897898.html

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/340098/340098