Time to Split Dublin

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I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!

Just goes to show the ambition within Derry. They would rather beat a crowd of youngsters than testing themselves against the best in the country.  Possibly more indicitive of their inferiority complex than anything else.

No suprise really

indeed, one Derry man speaks for the whole county 

It's nothing to do with ambition. Also I'm not talking right now I'm talking in general terms any year if there's a team we always want to beat it's Tyrone. Also did nobody see the way Kerry reacted in 2012 when they beat an average Tyrone team in Killarney? It's more to do with a bitter rivalry than the fact the Dubs are the best about.

Likewise I can't see that given the chance to beat Dublin or Mayo a Rossie wouldn't rather beat their near neighbours!!

[Syferus]

I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!

Just goes to show the ambition within Derry. They would rather beat a crowd of youngsters than testing themselves against the best in the country.  Possibly more indicitive of their inferiority complex than anything else.

No suprise really

indeed, one Derry man speaks for the whole county 

It's nothing to do with ambition. Also I'm not talking right now I'm talking in general terms any year if there's a team we always want to beat it's Tyrone. Also did nobody see the way Kerry reacted in 2012 when they beat an average Tyrone team in Killarney? It's more to do with a bitter rivalry than the fact the Dubs are the best about.

Likewise I can't see that given the chance to beat Dublin or Mayo a Rossie wouldn't rather beat their near neighbours!!

Beating Dublin now would mean we'd be in line for a senior AI so I might put border rivalries aside on that one. Beating your neighbours is special but beating the Showtime Dubs when they're the best team in the country would be unforgettable.

[Rossfan]

I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

[INDIANA]

So what you are proposing is that you give counties that are already in a decent position more money to push them up to the top level, and let the weaker counties plod along until the top table are satisfied? Jesus Zulu, are you deliberately trying to kill the GAA in the weaker counties?

My thing is a socialist approach. Allocate X million for games development nationally. Assign a body to monitor and allocate the finances, to make sure it is spent correctly. A GDA for the country if you like, as opposed to individual county GDAs.

Ensure that every county is spending the money correctly, and on the correct thing.

Tiered funding for counties that are more likely to be successful quickly is a horrible, professional, approach in my opinion.

I think what Zulu is proposing is what has happened with hurling. The GAA have targeted Laois, Antrim, Kerry, Carlow, Down and Westmeath with specialised funding as the most likely counties to step up to Mc Carthy Cup level in the future.

The others will get funding too but at grassroots level as they are 20 year projects. What you don't want is this money being wasted at senior level on outside consultants and overpaid outside average manager for no long term benefit.

[SouthDublinBro]

Maybe after we've overtaken Kerry's AI haul. They've already had their dominant period when they only had to win 4 games to be crowned All Ireland champs.

[macdanger2]

Maybe it's because I grew up in the 80s & 90s but beating Dublin means damn all to me. Mind you, it would have last September

[The Hill is Blue]

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?

[macdanger2]

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?

I'd say they might be relying on the larries, Westmeath or Longford to take them in

[Rossfan]

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?

Nobody talking about amalgamating - just splitting the 1.3m popuoatuon monster som that the Counties with small populations would be able to be some way competitive.
If we go the other way then it's a case of 5 teams Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Dublin and (rest of) Leinster.
That'd soften ye're coughs a bit.

[Syferus]

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?

Nobody talking about amalgamating - just splitting the 1.3m popuoatuon monster som that the Counties with small populations would be able to be some way competitive.
If we go the other way then it's a case of 5 teams Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Dublin and (rest of) Leinster.
That'd soften ye're coughs a bit.

At least all of Ballagh could finally play together.

[Main Street]

Dublin have got to 2 all ireland finals in the past 18 years and already GAA aficionados outside the pale  are throwing in the towel??
There's no justifiable way an organic unit can be divided just because of some  transient period of dominance. It's to Dublin's eternal shame that they could not harness the football talent at their disposal and have such a meagre return, considering the depth of talent at their disposal. In the early to mid 70's  it was harder for me to get a starting place on an intermediate  team in the Dublin leagues somewhere about 20 divisions off the pace,  than it was to get a starting place with my home town club in Monaghan's senior league.

[INDIANA]

I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.

[manfromdelmonte]

I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.

There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

[Lar Naparka]

I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.

There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

I believe Cork has by far the greatest number of clubs in the country but I don't know how many are dual clubs or how many concentrate on either hurling or football. I don't think there are any superclubs, like there are in Dublin, in the county.

[INDIANA]

I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.

There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

Again man do some analysis . How many different clubs play in those divisions . Less then 80.
Now considering the size of the county that's not a lot.

You telling me that crokes 6/7 the team in division 12 is a breeding ground for inter county footballers?

It's like taking candy from a baby on this thread such is the wild inaccuracies posted on it.