Water Charges. How much?

[magpie seanie]

I presume you'll voluntarily be sending your grant money back Seanie?

I am not sure what you're on about. I didn't get any grant. I never opened any of the letter from IW.

[magpie seanie]

Enjoy your refunds lads, any of ye that were stupid enough to pay. There's no need to thank the thousands of us that stood up for what is right, just get up off your arses the next time yourselves.

You're some arsehole 

You'd prefer not to pay and instead just pump raw sewerage out into the sea

You're abusive post doesn't deserve a reply but I'll indulge you.

What you've said there is called a false equivalence. A bit like Rossfan - using a fact and jumping to a completely irrational, unrelated and false conclusion. Like, say, that Mayo won't win Sam until those two ould lads left from their last win pass away. Pure bullshit. No one advocated pumping raw sewage into the sea at any stage. You made that up.

For the record - I pay my all my taxes including Motor Tax which is the funding vehicle set up to fund water services in this country since the 1997 FA. There is more than enough money collected in taxation under its various guises to ensure all facets of water services are catered for. The mismanagement, lack of planning and waste of money is not a reason to add another charge on people for what they're already paying for. You're obviously under some illusion that IW was going to make everything better - clearly that won't happen and couldn't happen as it's full of the same people who managed water services for the local authorities. Mr Kearns who was the county manager who left Sligo county council over €10M in debt being a prime example.

[gallsman]

I presume you'll voluntarily be sending your grant money back Seanie?

I am not sure what you're on about. I didn't get any grant. I never opened any of the letter from IW.

So you never registered for the water grant? How many do you think of your fellow non-payers registered for it, knowing it was universally paid even to those not paying charges? A majority?

[Rossfan]

How do I go about getting a refund of my motor tax seeing as I have to pay for water?

[Tubberman]

Enjoy your refunds lads, any of ye that were stupid enough to pay. There's no need to thank the thousands of us that stood up for what is right, just get up off your arses the next time yourselves.

You're some arsehole 

You'd prefer not to pay and instead just pump raw sewerage out into the sea

You're abusive post doesn't deserve a reply but I'll indulge you.

What you've said there is called a false equivalence. A bit like Rossfan - using a fact and jumping to a completely irrational, unrelated and false conclusion. Like, say, that Mayo won't win Sam until those two ould lads left from their last win pass away. Pure bullshit. No one advocated pumping raw sewage into the sea at any stage. You made that up.

For the record - I pay my all my taxes including Motor Tax which is the funding vehicle set up to fund water services in this country since the 1997 FA. There is more than enough money collected in taxation under its various guises to ensure all facets of water services are catered for. The mismanagement, lack of planning and waste of money is not a reason to add another charge on people for what they're already paying for. You're obviously under some illusion that IW was going to make everything better - clearly that won't happen and couldn't happen as it's full of the same people who managed water services for the local authorities. Mr Kearns who was the county manager who left Sligo county council over €10M in debt being a prime example.

Well that's obviously untrue. The taxes go into one big pot and we've been running a budget deficit since the crash, so there isn't enough money to cover everything that's draining from the same pot.
And even if it was true and we had enough money to cover all our spending commitments, you can be sure once times got tight, the water budget would be one of the first to be cut.
Which is why if there was a dedicated income stream for IW it couldn't be touched - there would be a guaranteed income so future investment could be planned with certainty.

[macdanger2]

Enjoy your refunds lads, any of ye that were stupid enough to pay. There's no need to thank the thousands of us that stood up for what is right, just get up off your arses the next time yourselves.

You're some arsehole 

You'd prefer not to pay and instead just pump raw sewerage out into the sea

You're abusive post doesn't deserve a reply but I'll indulge you.

What you've said there is called a false equivalence. A bit like Rossfan - using a fact and jumping to a completely irrational, unrelated and false conclusion. Like, say, that Mayo won't win Sam until those two ould lads left from their last win pass away. Pure bullshit. No one advocated pumping raw sewage into the sea at any stage. You made that up.

For the record - I pay my all my taxes including Motor Tax which is the funding vehicle set up to fund water services in this country since the 1997 FA. There is more than enough money collected in taxation under its various guises to ensure all facets of water services are catered for. The mismanagement, lack of planning and waste of money is not a reason to add another charge on people for what they're already paying for. You're obviously under some illusion that IW was going to make everything better - clearly that won't happen and couldn't happen as it's full of the same people who managed water services for the local authorities. Mr Kearns who was the county manager who left Sligo county council over €10M in debt being a prime example.

It's a bit rich feeling persecuted after opening your own post by calling people stupid.

Tubberman has already replied with most of what I would have said.

It's worth noting also that of all the reasons protestors gave for not paying their bills, only one of them has been resolved i.e. having to pay the actual money, but the protests have stopped. Unless you've been out protesting about general inefficiency in govt spending (which I don't disagree with) which you claim is the reason you didn't pay Seanie?

[OgraAnDun]

Enjoy your refunds lads, any of ye that were stupid enough to pay. There's no need to thank the thousands of us that stood up for what is right, just get up off your arses the next time yourselves.

You're some arsehole 

You'd prefer not to pay and instead just pump raw sewerage out into the sea

You're abusive post doesn't deserve a reply but I'll indulge you.

What you've said there is called a false equivalence. A bit like Rossfan - using a fact and jumping to a completely irrational, unrelated and false conclusion. Like, say, that Mayo won't win Sam until those two ould lads left from their last win pass away. Pure bullshit. No one advocated pumping raw sewage into the sea at any stage. You made that up.

For the record - I pay my all my taxes including Motor Tax which is the funding vehicle set up to fund water services in this country since the 1997 FA. There is more than enough money collected in taxation under its various guises to ensure all facets of water services are catered for. The mismanagement, lack of planning and waste of money is not a reason to add another charge on people for what they're already paying for. You're obviously under some illusion that IW was going to make everything better - clearly that won't happen and couldn't happen as it's full of the same people who managed water services for the local authorities. Mr Kearns who was the county manager who left Sligo county council over €10M in debt being a prime example.

Well that's obviously untrue. The taxes go into one big pot and we've been running a budget deficit since the crash, so there isn't enough money to cover everything that's draining from the same pot.
And even if it was true and we had enough money to cover all our spending commitments, you can be sure once times got tight, the water budget would be one of the first to be cut.
Which is why if there was a dedicated income stream for IW it couldn't be touched - there would be a guaranteed income so future investment could be planned with certainty.

Serious question here - how much of that deficit is used to service our debt that was incurred when bailing out private organisations (the banks)?

[Rossfan]

Hazard a guess 4% of €65bn = €2.65bn?

I believe the books will balance this year.

[magpie seanie]

Enjoy your refunds lads, any of ye that were stupid enough to pay. There's no need to thank the thousands of us that stood up for what is right, just get up off your arses the next time yourselves.

You're some arsehole 

You'd prefer not to pay and instead just pump raw sewerage out into the sea

You're abusive post doesn't deserve a reply but I'll indulge you.

What you've said there is called a false equivalence. A bit like Rossfan - using a fact and jumping to a completely irrational, unrelated and false conclusion. Like, say, that Mayo won't win Sam until those two ould lads left from their last win pass away. Pure bullshit. No one advocated pumping raw sewage into the sea at any stage. You made that up.

For the record - I pay my all my taxes including Motor Tax which is the funding vehicle set up to fund water services in this country since the 1997 FA. There is more than enough money collected in taxation under its various guises to ensure all facets of water services are catered for. The mismanagement, lack of planning and waste of money is not a reason to add another charge on people for what they're already paying for. You're obviously under some illusion that IW was going to make everything better - clearly that won't happen and couldn't happen as it's full of the same people who managed water services for the local authorities. Mr Kearns who was the county manager who left Sligo county council over €10M in debt being a prime example.

Well that's obviously untrue. The taxes go into one big pot and we've been running a budget deficit since the crash, so there isn't enough money to cover everything that's draining from the same pot.
And even if it was true and we had enough money to cover all our spending commitments, you can be sure once times got tight, the water budget would be one of the first to be cut.
Which is why if there was a dedicated income stream for IW it couldn't be touched - there would be a guaranteed income so future investment could be planned with certainty.

Quite the opposite in fact. There's oceans of money available to the exchequer but waste, unwillingness to properly chase tax evaders among other things have meant our current position hasn't been great. That and the ridiculous acceptance of 43% of Europe's bank debt and the interest thereon.

As for the guaranteed future investment - how can you say this? There's absolutely no guarantees with IW, especially if/when Dobby takes it over. This organisation have handed out meaty bonuses to themselves on the basis of what exactly. Your faith in them is blindingly naïve to put it mildly especially with the track records of some involved. Perhaps a national utility company is the best approach but it must be funded from central taxation - taxes people pay on the basis of ability to pay. Well that's the theory anyway. In practice tax avoidance/evasion is the biggest spanner in the works of how our democracy is supposed to work. And IW must be answerable to the government/Oireachtas. If they're not doing their job then the politicians must sort it out or face the consequences.

[magpie seanie]

Enjoy your refunds lads, any of ye that were stupid enough to pay. There's no need to thank the thousands of us that stood up for what is right, just get up off your arses the next time yourselves.

You're some arsehole 

You'd prefer not to pay and instead just pump raw sewerage out into the sea

You're abusive post doesn't deserve a reply but I'll indulge you.

What you've said there is called a false equivalence. A bit like Rossfan - using a fact and jumping to a completely irrational, unrelated and false conclusion. Like, say, that Mayo won't win Sam until those two ould lads left from their last win pass away. Pure bullshit. No one advocated pumping raw sewage into the sea at any stage. You made that up.

For the record - I pay my all my taxes including Motor Tax which is the funding vehicle set up to fund water services in this country since the 1997 FA. There is more than enough money collected in taxation under its various guises to ensure all facets of water services are catered for. The mismanagement, lack of planning and waste of money is not a reason to add another charge on people for what they're already paying for. You're obviously under some illusion that IW was going to make everything better - clearly that won't happen and couldn't happen as it's full of the same people who managed water services for the local authorities. Mr Kearns who was the county manager who left Sligo county council over €10M in debt being a prime example.

It's a bit rich feeling persecuted after opening your own post by calling people stupid.

Tubberman has already replied with most of what I would have said.

It's worth noting also that of all the reasons protestors gave for not paying their bills, only one of them has been resolved i.e. having to pay the actual money, but the protests have stopped. Unless you've been out protesting about general inefficiency in govt spending (which I don't disagree with) which you claim is the reason you didn't pay Seanie?

I outlined my reasons quite clearly several times. I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion. A contributory factor but the main one was having to pay a 2nd or 3rd time for a service. Secondly, the fear of IW being privatised once they had established an income stream....I genuinely believe it was only a matter of time before FG handed IW over to their buddy Dobby. No income stream has basically neutralised that. So my main reasons are dealt with. It's still not an ideal situation but a victory nonetheless.

[Rossfan]

Meanwhile I'm still paying for water and paying tax to subsidise the townies.

[trileacman]

Arguing against water taxes is the typical “me first f**k the rest” attitude. It will be viewed in 30 years time as a major mistake and the populist rush that moved to counter them will someday swell to support their introduction.

Typical fucktard attitude of the educated masses.

[Rossfan]

The €200m which the taxpayer (including those of us who have to pay for water) has to stump up in lieu of public water and sewerage charges would build around 800 social houses annually.
Less people struggling to rent privately = lower rents and lower house prices for the kids of middle class townies.
But NO! Let us keep our €3 a week and to hell with the future.....

[magpie seanie]

Fairy stories guys.

[Mayo4Sam]

You do know that part of the reason to tax water specifically is to tackle usage. If people have to pay for something you’re less likely to waste it. Water is a very expensive commodity, getting people to use it sensibly and sparingly