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Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

seafoid

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.




Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

seafoid

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?
1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?
1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

seafoid

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?
1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.
How much would soccer and women need to do it properly ?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?
1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.
How much would soccer and women need to do it properly ?

What properly?

Muck Savage

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?
1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

The main difference between soccer and the racing is that soccer has the ability to become a self sufficient business but needs help to get going properly. Getting stadiums and facilities in place to host proper academies is key. Between revenue from proper stadiums and proper academies the clubs could become self sufficient very quick. My guess is Shamrock Rovers are self sufficient or very close to it over the last 10 years between game day revenue and transfers (leaving out European money as not all clubs can access this).
The Nags and Dags will always need government or sponsorship money, they can't live on race day revenue alone. It's a different business model.




Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Muck Savage on February 21, 2023, 03:43:22 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 09:27:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 05:56:50 AM
What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?
I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?
1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

The main difference between soccer and the racing is that soccer has the ability to become a self sufficient business but needs help to get going properly. Getting stadiums and facilities in place to host proper academies is key. Between revenue from proper stadiums and proper academies the clubs could become self sufficient very quick. My guess is Shamrock Rovers are self sufficient or very close to it over the last 10 years between game day revenue and transfers (leaving out European money as not all clubs can access this).
The Nags and Dags will always need government or sponsorship money, they can't live on race day revenue alone. It's a different business model.

It's a failed business model.

We can argue the merits or otherwise of having a horse and dog industry. But when it hets more of a subvention than gaelic games, soccer and rugby combined something has gone wrong.

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/2023/01/27/not-enough-trickling-down-from-racings-elite-to-sparrows-underneath/
This year prizemoney in Ireland is at a record €68.6 million. Horse Racing Ireland will contribute 62 per cent of that.
€72.8 million was the total subvention.

seafoid


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