China Coronavirus

[Milltown Row2]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths.

We're not talking about the annual deaths. We're talking about the deaths in winter flu season.

But you never cared! As you didn't discuss it

[PadraicHenryPearse]

This guy sums it up well

https://twitter.com/paultreyvaud/status/1359799522449387526

he offers no alternative although i did get bored and might have missed it. was there one?

edit: sorry he suggests locking down all vulnerable and over 70s and provides his breakeven point for his restaurant. no holes to pick there!

[Angelo]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths.

We're not talking about the annual deaths. We're talking about the deaths in winter flu season.

But you never cared! As you didn't discuss it

Not really relevant as I'm not contradicting myself with a different stance on Covid whereas the majority of posters here seem to be.

[Angelo]

This guy sums it up well

https://twitter.com/paultreyvaud/status/1359799522449387526

he offers no alternative although i did get bored and might have missed it. was there one?

edit: sorry he suggests locking down all vulnerable and over 70s and provides his breakeven point for his restaurant. no holes to pick there!

Close the borders without exception barring imports and exports of goods.

Open up with reasonable restrictions.

Monitor how effective the vaccine is before reopening global travel.

In the meantime, have specific Covid hospitals, widespread use of rapid testing at facilities, maintain reasonable distancing and limited indoor gatherings until numbers fall sufficiently.

Are masks even worth a damn really? The experts say that unless you have the proper masks and you wear them in a certain way they are useless and we know it is completely impractical in all the steps you are meant to take.

This should have been done back in February but governments on both sides of the border and in the UK dragged their heels in trying to keep this or keep it contained.

[Milltown Row2]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths.

We're not talking about the annual deaths. We're talking about the deaths in winter flu season.

But you never cared! As you didn't discuss it

Not really relevant as I'm not contradicting myself with a different stance on Covid whereas the majority of posters here seem to be.

You're a contradiction! You said you didn't care for certain 'counties' as it didn't suit your post. But you constantly look for stats in any country that does suit your narrative of people not caring about 27/18 excess fly deaths!!

You're dynamite

[PadraicHenryPearse]

This guy sums it up well

https://twitter.com/paultreyvaud/status/1359799522449387526

he offers no alternative although i did get bored and might have missed it. was there one?

edit: sorry he suggests locking down all vulnerable and over 70s and provides his breakeven point for his restaurant. no holes to pick there!

Close the borders without exception barring imports and exports of goods.

Open up with reasonable restrictions.

Monitor how effective the vaccine is before reopening global travel.

In the meantime, have specific Covid hospitals, widespread use of rapid testing at facilities, maintain reasonable distancing and limited indoor gatherings until numbers fall sufficiently.

Are masks even worth a damn really? The experts say that unless you have the proper masks and you wear them in a certain way they are useless and we know it is completely impractical in all the steps you are meant to take.

This should have been done back in February but governments on both sides of the border and in the UK dragged their heels in trying to keep this or keep it contained.

are they your suggestions or the guy on twitter? or mix?

[trueblue1234]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Invalid comparison as no lockdowns in 17/18.

[BennyCake]

This guy sums it up well

https://twitter.com/paultreyvaud/status/1359799522449387526

he offers no alternative although i did get bored and might have missed it. was there one?

edit: sorry he suggests locking down all vulnerable and over 70s and provides his breakeven point for his restaurant. no holes to pick there!

Yeah, 55,000 came through the airports, but this is all tom dick and harry's Fault because they didn't wear a mask when they were buying their milk!

[PadraicHenryPearse]

This guy sums it up well

https://twitter.com/paultreyvaud/status/1359799522449387526

he offers no alternative although i did get bored and might have missed it. was there one?

edit: sorry he suggests locking down all vulnerable and over 70s and provides his breakeven point for his restaurant. no holes to pick there!

Yeah, 55,000 came through the airports, but this is all tom dick and harry's Fault because they didn't wear a mask when they were buying their milk!

who has said benny? i certainly havent. just wondering if you seen my questions on your anti vacvine position. Genuinely interested in knowing more about that position.

the 55k though the airports are all tom dicks and harrys too i imagine.

[Angelo]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths.

We're not talking about the annual deaths. We're talking about the deaths in winter flu season.

But you never cared! As you didn't discuss it

Not really relevant as I'm not contradicting myself with a different stance on Covid whereas the majority of posters here seem to be.

You're a contradiction! You said you didn't care for certain 'counties' as it didn't suit your post. But you constantly look for stats in any country that does suit your narrative of people not caring about 27/18 excess fly deaths!!

You're dynamite

I said I'm not interested in Americans. They are all capitalist headbangers.

[Angelo]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Invalid comparison as no lockdowns in 17/18.

We had flu vaccines in 17/18.

We did not have them for Covid this winter flu season in reality.

We are led to believe we had no flu this year. So think of all the lives we could have saved if we reacted to flu like we did for Covid.

[trueblue1234]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Invalid comparison as no lockdowns in 17/18.

We had flu vaccines in 17/18.

We did not have them for Covid this winter flu season in reality.

We are led to believe we had no flu this year. So think of all the lives we could have saved if we reacted to flu like we did for Covid.

Lies.

[BennyCake]

This guy sums it up well

https://twitter.com/paultreyvaud/status/1359799522449387526

he offers no alternative although i did get bored and might have missed it. was there one?

edit: sorry he suggests locking down all vulnerable and over 70s and provides his breakeven point for his restaurant. no holes to pick there!

Yeah, 55,000 came through the airports, but this is all tom dick and harry's Fault because they didn't wear a mask when they were buying their milk!

who has said benny? i certainly havent. just wondering if you seen my questions on your anti vacvine position. Genuinely interested in knowing more about that position.

the 55k though the airports are all tom dicks and harrys too i imagine.

Yes I seen them. I'm not sure what you want me to say on that. Will using a tv screen result in me needing glasses in the future? Does Alexa keep a record that I listened to 12 Johnny Cash songs last week? I can't see how it's similar.

I didn't say I was anti vaccine. You implied I was.

[Angelo]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Invalid comparison as no lockdowns in 17/18.

We had flu vaccines in 17/18.

We did not have them for Covid this winter flu season in reality.

We are led to believe we had no flu this year. So think of all the lives we could have saved if we reacted to flu like we did for Covid.

Lies.

Not a lie, how many people were fully vaccinated by the start of November?

[trueblue1234]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Invalid comparison as no lockdowns in 17/18.

We had flu vaccines in 17/18.

We did not have them for Covid this winter flu season in reality.

We are led to believe we had no flu this year. So think of all the lives we could have saved if we reacted to flu like we did for Covid.

Lies.

Not a lie, how many people were fully vaccinated by the start of November?

Sorry I thought that you were on about lockdowns.