Brexit.

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johnnycool

Not sure where to put this but what is happening over in Westminster is a whole different level of a shit show...

Truss wins the Tory party leadership campaign on a low tax, high growth policy.

Appoints her ex lover Kwartang as Chancellor to deliver it which he does without any oversight from the Treasury (he sacked the most senior member of the Treasury prior to his mini budget) not allowing the OBS (office of Budget responsibility) to run over the figures.

Mini budget causes the £ to short, markets lose any confidence in the UK economy, gilds interest rates rise making borrowing more expensive for the UK Gov and the pension funds tetter on the edge of collapse forcing the independent Bank Of England to intervene and guarantee these pension funds to the tune of £60B+

IMF standing by to bail out the UK economy and call Kwartang to a meeting in the US..

Whilst over in NY the wheels are in motion for his sacking

He's sacked on his earlier than expected return

Replaced by J Hunt (with the silent C) who announces he's going to reverse all but one policy outlined in the mini budget just two weeks earlier, quess what is kept?

Labour request an Urgent Question in the HOC for the Prime minister, who fails to turn up but sends a main contender to replace her in Mordant to take the flak..

A hour or so later she rocks up when Hunt formally announces all the u turns, only to say nothing and blink like someone on something or other and leaves like a scalded cat...

it's really hard to see how she survives the week.

A prime example of someone with plenty of ambition but no ability but ultimately is a stooge for big money who made a killing when the £ shorted.

Corrupt doesn't come close.

In the meantime Sammy W stands up to defend this shítshow.

Rossfan

If you did up a script like that for some comedy you'd be told it's too over the top ;D
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

imtommygunn

Ambition and ruthlessness to match. Their seems to be a mistake of ruthlessness for ability there.

Sammy had to have what was going on with taxes explained to him slowly as he backed what the tories did only to be told it was undone. A complete clown and a bootlicker.

keep her low this half

Quote from: imtommygunn on October 18, 2022, 09:22:05 AM
Ambition and ruthlessness to match. Their seems to be a mistake of ruthlessness for ability there.

Sammy had to have what was going on with taxes explained to him slowly as he backed what the tories did only to be told it was undone. A complete clown and a bootlicker.
Sammy is making sure he licks enough boots to end up in the house of lords, smart guy our Sammy  ::)

imtommygunn

He'll get in too. Foster in and sure she's an abomination. Services to bigotry.

Armamike

The role of the House of Lords is to scrutinise Gov legislation. Not one of Arlene's strengths (to be fair she doesn't have many).

Never ceases to amaze me the number of people in life whose ambition far outstrip their actual abilities. Truss an obvious example, but could include pretty much all of the recent Tory cabinet members.  The tories got rid of any half capable people they had in their purge of the remainers following Johnson taking over.   
That's just, like your opinion man.

trailer

Quote from: johnnycool on October 18, 2022, 09:12:47 AM
Not sure where to put this but what is happening over in Westminster is a whole different level of a shit show...

Truss wins the Tory party leadership campaign on a low tax, high growth policy.

Appoints her ex lover Kwartang as Chancellor to deliver it which he does without any oversight from the Treasury (he sacked the most senior member of the Treasury prior to his mini budget) not allowing the OBS (office of Budget responsibility) to run over the figures.

Mini budget causes the £ to short, markets lose any confidence in the UK economy, gilds interest rates rise making borrowing more expensive for the UK Gov and the pension funds tetter on the edge of collapse forcing the independent Bank Of England to intervene and guarantee these pension funds to the tune of £60B+

IMF standing by to bail out the UK economy and call Kwartang to a meeting in the US..

Whilst over in NY the wheels are in motion for his sacking

He's sacked on his earlier than expected return

Replaced by J Hunt (with the silent C) who announces he's going to reverse all but one policy outlined in the mini budget just two weeks earlier, quess what is kept?

Labour request an Urgent Question in the HOC for the Prime minister, who fails to turn up but sends a main contender to replace her in Mordant to take the flak..

A hour or so later she rocks up when Hunt formally announces all the u turns, only to say nothing and blink like someone on something or other and leaves like a scalded cat...

it's really hard to see how she survives the week.

A prime example of someone with plenty of ambition but no ability but ultimately is a stooge for big money who made a killing when the £ shorted.

Corrupt doesn't come close.

In the meantime Sammy W stands up to defend this shítshow.

This is frankly ridiculous. Hunt has raised taxes even further that Sunak said he would. No one voted for this. Not even the Tory party. Recession incoming. Truss doesn't have the support of the HOC and should call a GE.
These tax rises are going to hurt us in NI and for what? No investment, no government, the worst health service, shit schools, no roads west of the Bann. And people here were looking for more Taxes!!

Its a shit sandwich and I hope people enjoy eating it!

yellowcard

Quote from: johnnycool on October 18, 2022, 09:12:47 AM
Not sure where to put this but what is happening over in Westminster is a whole different level of a shit show...

Truss wins the Tory party leadership campaign on a low tax, high growth policy.

Appoints her ex lover Kwartang as Chancellor to deliver it which he does without any oversight from the Treasury (he sacked the most senior member of the Treasury prior to his mini budget) not allowing the OBS (office of Budget responsibility) to run over the figures.

Mini budget causes the £ to short, markets lose any confidence in the UK economy, gilds interest rates rise making borrowing more expensive for the UK Gov and the pension funds tetter on the edge of collapse forcing the independent Bank Of England to intervene and guarantee these pension funds to the tune of £60B+

IMF standing by to bail out the UK economy and call Kwartang to a meeting in the US..

Whilst over in NY the wheels are in motion for his sacking

He's sacked on his earlier than expected return

Replaced by J Hunt (with the silent C) who announces he's going to reverse all but one policy outlined in the mini budget just two weeks earlier, quess what is kept?

Labour request an Urgent Question in the HOC for the Prime minister, who fails to turn up but sends a main contender to replace her in Mordant to take the flak..

A hour or so later she rocks up when Hunt formally announces all the u turns, only to say nothing and blink like someone on something or other and leaves like a scalded cat...

it's really hard to see how she survives the week.

A prime example of someone with plenty of ambition but no ability but ultimately is a stooge for big money who made a killing when the £ shorted.

Corrupt doesn't come close.

In the meantime Sammy W stands up to defend this shítshow.

The UK economy has been left in ruins by the Tories after years of bad policy decisions. Its amazing that the party is still intact without any splits but people in England have very short memories. Labour will get into power at the next election but will be faced with some very tough policy choices in what looks like recessionary times. The Tories should be cast to the dustbin of history but you just know that they will come back again after another election cycle with big media behind them blaming everything on Labour.   

armaghniac

Quote from: trailer on October 18, 2022, 12:02:02 PM
This is frankly ridiculous. Hunt has raised taxes even further that Sunak said he would. No one voted for this. Not even the Tory party. Recession incoming. Truss doesn't have the support of the HOC and should call a GE.
These tax rises are going to hurt us in NI and for what? No investment, no government, the worst health service, shit schools, no roads west of the Bann. And people here were looking for more Taxes!!

Its a shit sandwich and I hope people enjoy eating it!

Better schools and roads require expenditure. What do you suggest they do instead of raising taxes? Print money?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

trailer

Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 18, 2022, 12:02:02 PM
This is frankly ridiculous. Hunt has raised taxes even further that Sunak said he would. No one voted for this. Not even the Tory party. Recession incoming. Truss doesn't have the support of the HOC and should call a GE.
These tax rises are going to hurt us in NI and for what? No investment, no government, the worst health service, shit schools, no roads west of the Bann. And people here were looking for more Taxes!!

Its a shit sandwich and I hope people enjoy eating it!

Better schools and roads require expenditure. What do you suggest they do instead of raising taxes? Print money?

I am against raising taxes. Especially when we won't see the benefit of those taxes! People's pay packets will fall in a cost of living crisis. Everyone is in for a very hard time. SME's will be crucified with the rise in corp tax. Prices will rise further.
Could Truss and Kwasi prepared the markets better? Absolutely. And yes maybe the cuts went to far, but we're now looking at taxes rising. This isn't what anyone voted for.

Gael80

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Quote from: trailer on October 18, 2022, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 18, 2022, 12:02:02 PM
This is frankly ridiculous. Hunt has raised taxes even further that Sunak said he would. No one voted for this. Not even the Tory party. Recession incoming. Truss doesn't have the support of the HOC and should call a GE.
These tax rises are going to hurt us in NI and for what? No investment, no government, the worst health service, shit schools, no roads west of the Bann. And people here were looking for more Taxes!!

Its a shit sandwich and I hope people enjoy eating it!

Better schools and roads require expenditure. What do you suggest they do instead of raising taxes? Print money?

I am against raising taxes. Especially when we won't see the benefit of those taxes! People's pay packets will fall in a cost of living crisis. Everyone is in for a very hard time. SME's will be crucified with the rise in corp tax. Prices will rise further.
Could Truss and Kwasi prepared the markets better? Absolutely. And yes maybe the cuts went to far, but we're now looking at taxes rising. This isn't what anyone voted for.

Tax should rise in the right places but the Tories are now going to hit the wrong departments/people. A Labour government would be welcome but the reality is the personal tax allowance will almost certainly fall, and the basic tax will likely rise above 20p under a Labour government, although they would raise taxes across the board including on the more wealthly in society. Whatever happens my guess is taxes are rising over the next few years.

thewobbler

Not in any way attempting to defend Tories here, only just trying to point out we've problems closer to home.

I would take issue with comments like "English people have short memories", as if Irish voters are superior.

Ireland is an economic time bomb. Unless there is a fundamental reset on second /multiple properties, we are currently witness to the last generation of emergency workers, key workers and other civil servants who will be able to afford to live in urban Ireland. The choice for the next generation will boil down to three: join the big company rat race, choose unemployment and social payments, or move to the few remaining areas of the island that have affordable housing.

The Tory govt have been unashamedly visible in their loyalty to the prosperity of a small percentage of the population, at no matter what cost to the rest.

But here's the thing. Income levels aren't important. Disposable income is everything. And as the Irish govt have fuelled a system whereby upwards on 75% of income is being routed to landlords and banks, the exact same scenario is unfolding in Ireland as it is in the UK. It's just not as obvious. Yet.

grounded

Quote from: thewobbler on October 18, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
Not in any way attempting to defend Tories here, only just trying to point out we've problems closer to home.

I would take issue with comments like "English people have short memories", as if Irish voters are superior.

Ireland is an economic time bomb. Unless there is a fundamental reset on second /multiple properties, we are currently witness to the last generation of emergency workers, key workers and other civil servants who will be able to afford to live in urban Ireland. The choice for the next generation will boil down to three: join the big company rat race, choose unemployment and social payments, or move to the few remaining areas of the island that have affordable housing.

The Tory govt have been unashamedly visible in their loyalty to the prosperity of a small percentage of the population, at no matter what cost to the rest.

But here's the thing. Income levels aren't important. Disposable income is everything. And as the Irish govt have fuelled a system whereby upwards on 75% of income is being routed to landlords and banks, the exact same scenario is unfolding in Ireland as it is in the UK. It's just not as obvious. Yet.

Great post.

Armagh18

Quote from: armaghniac on October 18, 2022, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 18, 2022, 12:02:02 PM
This is frankly ridiculous. Hunt has raised taxes even further that Sunak said he would. No one voted for this. Not even the Tory party. Recession incoming. Truss doesn't have the support of the HOC and should call a GE.
These tax rises are going to hurt us in NI and for what? No investment, no government, the worst health service, shit schools, no roads west of the Bann. And people here were looking for more Taxes!!

Its a shit sandwich and I hope people enjoy eating it!

Better schools and roads require expenditure. What do you suggest they do instead of raising taxes? Print money?
I don't know about you, but I pay more than enough tax already to expect a decent health service, education system and roads that don't look like they've been bombed. The problem isn't the lack of money its the wasting of it.

imtommygunn

Quote from: grounded on October 18, 2022, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 18, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
Not in any way attempting to defend Tories here, only just trying to point out we've problems closer to home.

I would take issue with comments like "English people have short memories", as if Irish voters are superior.

Ireland is an economic time bomb. Unless there is a fundamental reset on second /multiple properties, we are currently witness to the last generation of emergency workers, key workers and other civil servants who will be able to afford to live in urban Ireland. The choice for the next generation will boil down to three: join the big company rat race, choose unemployment and social payments, or move to the few remaining areas of the island that have affordable housing.

The Tory govt have been unashamedly visible in their loyalty to the prosperity of a small percentage of the population, at no matter what cost to the rest.

But here's the thing. Income levels aren't important. Disposable income is everything. And as the Irish govt have fuelled a system whereby upwards on 75% of income is being routed to landlords and banks, the exact same scenario is unfolding in Ireland as it is in the UK. It's just not as obvious. Yet.

Great post.

Yeah. It is near enough global this kind of thing. Also for me it's very problematic because you look at inflation, controlling it etc etc. There are situations(and currently are) where there's loads of cash about it's just in very few peoples hands. That does not help a lot of people.