Adam Johnson court case

[Estimator]

Remember the case from a couple of years ago about the teacher who absconded to France with one of his 15yr old students. He only got 5 and a half years.

It was reported at the time of the above incident that they went to France partly due to the reason that the age of consent was 15. So that they wouldn't be doing anything illegal. It doesn't make it any less wrong

[seafoid]

The sister hounding the girl on social media was particularly classy

[nrico2006]

Is he a paedophile though?

If you had sex with a girl the night before her 16th birthday according to the law you probably are.

Lawfully in this country then he is?  But surely being paedophile isn't something that you are in once country and not in another - you either are or you aren't. Its a condition that shouldn't be determined by the law.

What would your definition be then?

I'm sure you can find the definition of the term somewhere if you look, but it's not something I imagine that can be subjective depending on what country you live in.

But there has to be an age determined by law to protect the rights of children, if you are saying that is incorrect I am asking you what is your definition?

I am not saying the law is incorrect, but he wasn't charged with being a paedophile - he was charged with an offence and rightly so (in line with UK law) got convicted.  It's the brandishing him of being a paedophile that I think is incorrect.

[smelmoth]

Being a paedophile is not illegal - and nor should it be.

Why should the "law" define a "condition"?

[AZOffaly]

Being a paedophile is not illegal - and nor should it be.

Why should the "law" define a "condition"?

You are deliberately splitting hairs. Paedophilia is a crime, in other words acting out the compulsion is illegal, even if the condition itself is not.

[No wides]

Is he a paedophile though?

If you had sex with a girl the night before her 16th birthday according to the law you probably are.

Lawfully in this country then he is?  But surely being paedophile isn't something that you are in once country and not in another - you either are or you aren't. Its a condition that shouldn't be determined by the law.

What would your definition be then?

I'm sure you can find the definition of the term somewhere if you look, but it's not something I imagine that can be subjective depending on what country you live in.

But there has to be an age determined by law to protect the rights of children, if you are saying that is incorrect I am asking you what is your definition?

I am not saying the law is incorrect, but he wasn't charged with being a paedophile - he was charged with an offence and rightly so (in line with UK law) got convicted. It's the brandishing him of being a paedophile that I think is incorrect.

He is an adult who groomed and engaged in sexual intercourse with a child, the term sits correctly with this individual.

[smelmoth]

Being a paedophile is not illegal - and nor should it be.

Why should the "law" define a "condition"?

You are deliberately splitting hairs. Paedophilia is a crime, in other words acting out the compulsion is illegal, even if the condition itself is not.

I am not splitting hairs. I am being accurate

[seafoid]

Being a paedophile is not illegal - and nor should it be.

Why should the "law" define a "condition"?

incest is also illegal

[AZOffaly]

OK, Pedantic then . Are paedophile acts illegal?

[smelmoth]

Is he a paedophile though?

If you had sex with a girl the night before her 16th birthday according to the law you probably are.

Lawfully in this country then he is?  But surely being paedophile isn't something that you are in once country and not in another - you either are or you aren't. Its a condition that shouldn't be determined by the law.

What would your definition be then?

I'm sure you can find the definition of the term somewhere if you look, but it's not something I imagine that can be subjective depending on what country you live in.

But there has to be an age determined by law to protect the rights of children, if you are saying that is incorrect I am asking you what is your definition?

I am not saying the law is incorrect, but he wasn't charged with being a paedophile - he was charged with an offence and rightly so (in line with UK law) got convicted. It's the brandishing him of being a paedophile that I think is incorrect.

He is an adult who groomed and engaged in sexual intercourse with a child, the term sits correctly with this individual.

He may or may not be a paedophile and I very much doubt if anybody here knows if he is.

He groomed a 15 year old. Did he do so because she was below the age of consent? Was that his motiavation?

[smelmoth]

OK, Pedantic then . Are paedophile acts illegal?

Well abusing a child, viewing images of child abuse etc are all illegal. Did you need me to point this out?

[No wides]

Is he a paedophile though?

If you had sex with a girl the night before her 16th birthday according to the law you probably are.

Lawfully in this country then he is?  But surely being paedophile isn't something that you are in once country and not in another - you either are or you aren't. Its a condition that shouldn't be determined by the law.

What would your definition be then?

I'm sure you can find the definition of the term somewhere if you look, but it's not something I imagine that can be subjective depending on what country you live in.

But there has to be an age determined by law to protect the rights of children, if you are saying that is incorrect I am asking you what is your definition?

I am not saying the law is incorrect, but he wasn't charged with being a paedophile - he was charged with an offence and rightly so (in line with UK law) got convicted. It's the brandishing him of being a paedophile that I think is incorrect.

He is an adult who groomed and engaged in sexual intercourse with a child, the term sits correctly with this individual.

He may or may not be a paedophile and I very much doubt if anybody here knows if he is.

He groomed a 15 year old. Did he do so because she was below the age of consent? Was that his motiavation?

He seemed to spend a lot of time googling the age of consent, he's a predator and deserves all he gets, what he did constitutes him being correctly branded a paedophile.

[No wides]

OK, Pedantic then . Are paedophile acts illegal?

Well abusing a child, viewing images of child abuse etc are all illegal. Did you need me to point this out?

And what term would you use to describe this people?

[AZOffaly]

Not at all. I just find it interesting that you are so adamant that being a paedophile is not illegal, when you know full well people are talking about the acts, rather than the condition. But sure work away, you're 100% right, and I'm not arguing with you.

[smelmoth]

OK, Pedantic then . Are paedophile acts illegal?

Well abusing a child, viewing images of child abuse etc are all illegal. Did you need me to point this out?

And what term would you use to describe this people?

Child abusers