The GAA and Founding Principle

[Captain Scarlet]

Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html

I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.

[Rossfan]

Was not increasing prices a "Founding Principle" of the GAA?

[manfromdelmonte]

And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games

[JoG2]

And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games

Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices

[manfromdelmonte]

And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games

Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices

attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions

[trailer]

Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.

Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.

The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.

[five points]

Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.

Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.

The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.

So tiering the championship, to dump every county from Roscommon downwards into 2 or 3 tiers of the Tommy Murphy Cup, will solve the problem? Wow.

[JoG2]

And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games

Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices

attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions

You'd needy put up some figures for both those statements. Prov championship games attendances have been down since the introduction of the backdoor, I doubt it's anything to do with ticket prices. Factor in the qualifier games and I'd say attendances in total may be up, no?? We seem to get hysterical re any and everything to do with the football in the off season and hark back to the utopian GAA days when a kicking game between Kerry and Dublin finished 0-10   0-08, and a punt would get you through the turnstiles. Article after article of full on negativity.

[johnnycool]

Ticket prices are a factor no doubt but the product is also a problem. Who in Leinster wants to watch Laois getting stuffed by Dublin.
Tier the championship. Have teams competing at their own level.
The crowds will come back.

Keep doing what they're doing, increasing prices and putting poorly matched teams against each other and people will vote with their feet.

The "Croke Park suits" are too blame but most of the responsibility lies with the weaker counties who refuse to allow a tiering of the championship.

condensin the games into a shorter timespan has meant that peoples disposable income is less over the duration of the championship season and may mean some choosing to stay at home rather than go and watch Dublin put 10 points on someone before half time and canter home in the second half.

[Rossfan]

Condense  the County season and all would be well was the cry of everyone a few years ago.

[five points]

Condense  the County season and all would be well was the cry of everyone a few years ago.

It was bullshit but they wouldn't listen.

Any county that has ever changed a championship from knockout to league basis knows that gate receipts don't go up that much if at all because matchgoers have only a limited amount of money to spend.  This never dawned on the Croke Park suits who never pay in anywhere.

[Esmarelda]

Condense  the County season and all would be well was the cry of everyone a few years ago.

It was bullshit but they wouldn't listen.

Any county that has ever changed a championship from knockout to league basis knows that gate receipts don't go up that much if at all because matchgoers have only a limited amount of money to spend.  This never dawned on the Croke Park suits who never pay in anywhere.

The condensing of the county season was to appease the club player, who at that particular moment in time was the most important and oppressed person in Irish sport.

Today, they don't seem as important. Today what's important is the handpass rule and the price of tickets.

All we can do is pray that a messiah comes along with a solution that will solve all of gaelic football's problems.

Personally, I'm going to watch some games and try to enjoy them.

[Cunny Funt]

And they wonder why attendances have fallen
People just don't have the extra money to justify going to games

Are league attendances falling? There was 11k at a McKenna Cup game last week. Dublin games at CP are falling surely but its nought do do with ticket prices

attendances at championship games are way down
as are league games in the lower divisions

You'd needy put up some figures for both those statements. Prov championship games attendances have been down since the introduction of the backdoor, I doubt it's anything to do with ticket prices. Factor in the qualifier games and I'd say attendances in total may be up, no?? We seem to get hysterical re any and everything to do with the football in the off season and hark back to the utopian GAA days when a kicking game between Kerry and Dublin finished 0-10   0-08, and a punt would get you through the turnstiles. Article after article of full on negativity.

Money lost on falling attendances was one of the reasons why the group stages for the last eight of the AI championship was brought in.

[Give and Go]

Paul Rouse has raised a very important question. What type of Association do we want?
In defence of the GAA, they cannot win; on every controversial issue - rules, competition structures, tiers, codes, ticket prices there are multitudes who take multiple opposing positions and consensus is not possible.

All the Committees in Croke park and the Provincial Councils are ordinary GAA folk, dealing with complex matters that are possibly beyond their professional competences. The professionals in Croke Park are career officials and often these are opposite sides of the same coin.

We crave professional preparation but oppose professionalism and insist on counties spending millions in preparing amateur county sides. The balance has been lopsided in favour of the county game over the club game. The only way to bring it back in sync is to stop spending so much money but who is going to do that?

[Eamonnca1]

Just wondering has anyone seen or, more to the point read this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/the-founding-principle-of-the-gaa-has-been-increasingly-neglected-899984.html

I know we see on Twitter the talk of Croke Park 'suits' and those same suits tend to be heavily involved locally, or have given years of volunteer service to the GAA as they will often point out...BUT then how can they stand over some of the moves like the ticket increase.
Saying it is for the benefit of the grounds and so on, when clubs face levies anyway for projects. Let the extra few quid stay in the membership's pockets and they will be the ones looking after the clubs a lot of the time anyway.
In every club the same few are tapped up all the time, so I don't see the need to raise any prices, in fact there should have been a freeze. The accounts are in rude health centrally after all.

The prices had not gone up since 2011, so there was a freeze which in my opinion had lasted long enough.

I don't know where the big sense of entitlement comes from. People seem to expect GAA ticket prices to be frozen in time and exempt from inflation. That's assuming they're willing to get off their couches and go to the match rather than whinging about not being able to watch every single game on TV free of charge.

'Do people want the GAA to give them money at the gate?' - Dick Clerkin defends hike in ticket prices