Is the other discussion closed ?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0130/1026489-gaa-felt-bullied/
I take it there'll be no rugby in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, then :P
It's not like the GAA have been the Bully in the Past! ;)
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
My opinion exactly, 1st paragraph.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
Like the Gaa should have contacted Kildare Gaa prior to the Newbridge or nowhere fiasco last year. The way that was done wangles with me. Amazing how they felt bullied in this instance but weren't slow in attempting to bully Kildare Gaa.
You give respect then you might get some to use their own tagline.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
I think it may be the last time the bandwagon gets its way
The GAA top brass seem to be very poor at understanding the thinking of the average GAA member on the ground or the general public
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-congress-set-to-revisit-the-opening-of-county-grounds-to-foreign-games-1.3775177?mode=amp
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
The GAA top brass seem to be very poor at understanding the thinking of the average GAA member on the ground or the general public
I would agree. They have lost their touch. Something goes arseways every year
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2019, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
My opinion exactly, 1st paragraph.
1st and 2nd for me.
FFS did someone not have a word and just say 'drop that section there Tom'...
Look I do think that the Liam Miller organisers initially went about it bad, but to say the GAA were bullied by media when any GAA person I spoke to was saying they should open the place up for a charity match...that was not bullying from media that was a groundswell with their own ranks.
They tried to bully Kildare and the public pushed back. Who was the bully there?
Christ why oh why open this all up again?!
Quote from: mup on January 30, 2019, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
Like the Gaa should have contacted Kildare Gaa prior to the Newbridge or nowhere fiasco last year. The way that was done wangles with me. Amazing how they felt bullied in this instance but weren't slow in attempting to bully Kildare Gaa.
You give respect then you might get some to use their own tagline.
Yes that's true too. I'm glad Kildare won that one. Had it been my team, I'd have backed them all the way, even if that meant forfeiting their championship place.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
The GAA top brass seem to be very poor at understanding the thinking of the average GAA member on the ground or the general public
Yes, and I'm disappointed there wasn't more of a reaction from fans on the price increases.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
You can throw in that Kenny prat too. But TBH its nothing less than I would expect from that shower. Hopefully we give them a pretty solid two fingers next time around..... wouldnt bet on it tho
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
The GAA top brass seem to be very poor at understanding the thinking of the average GAA member on the ground or the general public
Yes, and I'm disappointed there wasn't more of a reaction from fans on the price increases.
Too many Dubs and east coast based people running the association the last few years.
Don't think they know what the average member in longford, Cavan or Clare think.
Or how people don't have spare money to spend on GAA games
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2019, 06:45:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2019, 04:58:28 PM
The GAA top brass seem to be very poor at understanding the thinking of the average GAA member on the ground or the general public
Yes, and I'm disappointed there wasn't more of a reaction from fans on the price increases.
Too many Dubs and east coast based people running the association the last few years.
Don't think they know what the average member in longford, Cavan or Clare think.
Or how people don't have spare money to spend on GAA games
A round of league games with no fans might make them cop on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2019, 04:28:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 30, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
The match organisers should have contacted the GAA quietly and asked if they could use PUC. They didn't, it came out in the public, and the media forced the GAA's hand. They had little choice but to allow it. The GAA would have allowed it anyway, but it was the way it was done that wrangles me.
But one thing that's come out of it all, Damian Duff is a wee p***k.
My opinion exactly, 1st paragraph.
Totally agree.
The match itself wasn't that good. David May was a liability at the heart of the United defence.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2019, 11:25:17 PM
The match itself wasn't that good. David May was a liability at the heart of the United defence.
No more than Jones or Smalling are these days.
Why reopen this mess? Makes the GAA look a bit snowflakey.
Calling a signed document explicitly allowing this sort of event a 'loophole' doesn't really fill me with confidence
Confidence of what?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 31, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
Why reopen this mess? Makes the GAA look a bit snowflakey.
Calling a signed document explicitly allowing this sort of event a 'loophole' doesn't really fill me with confidence
Liam Miller fund should've donated money to help cover the building costs of Pairc ui Chaoimh.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2019, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 31, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
Why reopen this mess? Makes the GAA look a bit snowflakey.
Calling a signed document explicitly allowing this sort of event a 'loophole' doesn't really fill me with confidence
Liam Miller fund should've donated money to help cover the building costs of Pairc ui Chaoimh.
Was there not a fee acquired for to use the facilities?
Real stupid comment to reignite any bad blood on all sides. Shows a real lack of judgement. If they felt the GAA were bullied if does not show him and his colleagues up in a great light to have bent to the pressure, either do the right thing or shut up and suck it up.
Too much spin being spouted from HQ in my opinion in last decade or so.
Quote from: spuds on January 31, 2019, 03:38:00 PM
Real stupid comment to reignite any bad blood on all sides. Shows a real lack of judgement. If they felt the GAA were bullied if does not show him and his colleagues up in a great light to have bent to the pressure, either do the right thing or shut up and suck it up.
Too much spin being spouted from HQ in my opinion in last decade or so.
Agreed. Absolutely nothing to be gained from bringing this all up again apart from making themselves look bad.
Quote from: trailer on January 31, 2019, 01:41:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 31, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
Why reopen this mess? Makes the GAA look a bit snowflakey.
Calling a signed document explicitly allowing this sort of event a 'loophole' doesn't really fill me with confidence
Liam Miller fund should've donated money to help cover the building costs of Pairc ui Chaoimh.
They did...
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 09:22:48 AM
Confidence of what?
his ability. The back page of the Indo isnt sparkling judgement either
The key key thing here is why the feck is this being brought up again?
The talk of being bullied and 'public' opinion...by public do they mean GAA members in terms of Newbridge? That a lot of GAA people (the public) also had no issue with the Liam Miller gig.
The public could do with bullying them a bit more and maybe they might listen a bit more.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 01, 2019, 12:54:06 PM
The key key thing here is why the feck is this being brought up again?
The talk of being bullied and 'public' opinion...by public do they mean GAA members in terms of Newbridge? That a lot of GAA people (the public) also had no issue with the Liam Miller gig.
The public could do with bullying them a bit more and maybe they might listen a bit more.
He's covering his hole with the "I didn't want to do it, but they made me do it" bullshit.
Grow a set
Quote from: johnnycool on February 01, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 01, 2019, 12:54:06 PM
The key key thing here is why the feck is this being brought up again?
The talk of being bullied and 'public' opinion...by public do they mean GAA members in terms of Newbridge? That a lot of GAA people (the public) also had no issue with the Liam Miller gig.
The public could do with bullying them a bit more and maybe they might listen a bit more.
He's covering his hole with the "I didn't want to do it, but they made me do it" bullshit.
Grow a set
Said it at the time and will say it again the FAI are getting off scott free in this whole fiasco.
All these soccer heads crying out for the use of PUC should be asking the FAI where is our infrastructure, where are our facilities? They are a professional orgainsation and havent a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. It is easy to stand and lambast the GAA for certain things that have gone on and they have handled things wrongly at times, I dont happen to think this was one of them.
Organisers should have handled it better and understood what the GAA is an organisation and how things are handled. But they should also understand that when they come with their begging bowl out from a shambles of an organisation that is the FAI then they should do so with a bit more grace and humility.
(sentiments on bringing it up again are on the money)
But the GAA could have subtly put the boot into the FAI and been great lads
Instead of writing a line about being bullied he could have put in his report how we have grown as an organisation and they were happy to help the Miller family. How they wished they had come to them sooner.
Now whether it was true or not wouldn't matter a shite, but it would have been picked up and been positive spin...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 01, 2019, 03:37:45 PM
But the GAA could have subtly put the boot into the FAI and been great lads
Instead of writing a line about being bullied he could have put in his report how we have grown as an organisation and they were happy to help the Miller family. How they wished they had come to them sooner.
Now whether it was true or not wouldn't matter a shite, but it would have been picked up and been positive spin...
Agree would have been the easier path of travel to spin it positively.
But I think in this case there was bit of a warning shot being fired for the future and how to go about things.
Whatever happened to the Terry Henry money? Would that not have built a soccer stadium?
Just think he comes across poorly with this bit of upcasting. No need to comment at all..has to justify the pay and existence I suppose.same as the average county secretary... so much to say...
Quote from: BennyCake on February 01, 2019, 04:15:04 PM
Whatever happened to the Terry Henry money? Would that not have built a soccer stadium?
Thats literally what they did with it.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 01, 2019, 01:57:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 01, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 01, 2019, 12:54:06 PM
The key key thing here is why the feck is this being brought up again?
The talk of being bullied and 'public' opinion...by public do they mean GAA members in terms of Newbridge? That a lot of GAA people (the public) also had no issue with the Liam Miller gig.
The public could do with bullying them a bit more and maybe they might listen a bit more.
He's covering his hole with the "I didn't want to do it, but they made me do it" bullshit.
Grow a set
Said it at the time and will say it again the FAI are getting off scott free in this whole fiasco.
All these soccer heads crying out for the use of PUC should be asking the FAI where is our infrastructure, where are our facilities? They are a professional orgainsation and havent a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out. It is easy to stand and lambast the GAA for certain things that have gone on and they have handled things wrongly at times, I dont happen to think this was one of them.
Organisers should have handled it better and understood what the GAA is an organisation and how things are handled. But they should also understand that when they come with their begging bowl out from a shambles of an organisation that is the FAI then they should do so with a bit more grace and humility.
(sentiments on bringing it up again are on the money)
The FAI had zero involvement in any of this and its disingenuous to bring them into it. Cork soccer has a fine stadium, fit for purpose that they built over years. With the fiasco that is PUC I would hold off finger wagging.
The Cork Country Board took funds on the explicit understanding this type of event had to be entertained. To use the b word when this clause was invoked worries me. What will his reaction be to a real crisis?
"Explicit understandings" aren't worth the paper they're not written on.
Wasn't it amazing how the Government and the GAA knew years in advance that a big soccer fundraiser would be held.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
"Explicit understandings" aren't worth the paper they're not written on.
Wasn't it amazing how the Government and the GAA knew years in advance that a big soccer fundraiser would be held.
Didnt a barrister tweet the signed document?
But regardless, its done. Why he felt this was what he wanted to talk about in and at the launch of the annual report is mystifying
Indeed.
More exciting things happened in the GAA world in 2018.
Expect to see Rubby i bPáirc na Gaoithe, Páirc na nGael, arc in the near future
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-taking-lessons-from-liam-miller-tribute-controversy-to-congress-902527.html