Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021

[tyrone08]

Not sure what's so hard to believe about that...

If players are borderline due to any injury or illness you'd want the management team to give them as much time as possible to prove their fitness, especially if they are key players.


I'm sure they have more or less the starting team fixed at this point with maybe a few players where they're still debatable. Pretty standard no?

Probably hard for a Derry man to understand as by the time e it gets to the big games when injuries can occur Derry are already knocked 😂

[Jayop]

I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.

[Aaron Boone]

All codding aside, Kerry are going to win this game quite comfortably.

[Armagh18]

I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.

Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

[tyrone08]

Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean

[Hound]

Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean

If you put 10 quid on Kerry-7, you need Kerry to win by 8 points or more and you win another 10 (I.e. get 20 back)
If Kerry win by 7 or less (or draw or Tyrone win) then you lose your stake.

So previous poster thinks it's nailed on that Kerry will win by at least 8 points, but he hasn't said how much he himself is gambling

[BennyHarp]

Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean

If you put 10 quid on Kerry-7, you need Kerry to win by 8 points or more and you win another 10 (I.e. get 20 back)
If Kerry win by 7 or less (or draw or Tyrone win) then you lose your stake.

So previous poster thinks it's nailed on that Kerry will win by at least 8 points, but he hasn't said how much he himself is gambling

Yeah i think it would be interesting to see how much that guy is betting on that outcome given the fact he is so confident. Throw up a screen shot of your bet slip there screenexile. Let's see how much you have filled your boots.

I'm still not convinced by this Kerry team, what have they achieved to justify the hype? Maybe they are unbeatable but they are yet to fully prove it. I still think that their defence is weak - Tyrone have players to give the Kerry forwards a hard time (Hampsey on Clifford, McNamee on Paudie and Meyler on Sean O'Se. Who will Kerry be putting on a fitter McShane (They couldn't handle him in 2019), Donnelly, if he plays inside, Canavan and McCurry? Do they have 4 four good man markers? For Screenexiles mortgage and future financial security, i really hope so.

[tyrone08]

Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean

If you put 10 quid on Kerry-7, you need Kerry to win by 8 points or more and you win another 10 (I.e. get 20 back)
If Kerry win by 7 or less (or draw or Tyrone win) then you lose your stake.

So previous poster thinks it's nailed on that Kerry will win by at least 8 points, but he hasn't said how much he himself is gambling

Thanks for the info. Makes sense. Would be surprised if kerry would by that large of a margin but time will tell.

[armaghniac]

I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.

Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

Armagh is at 11 on this list, only a decimal point different to Cork. They were in 7th place in July, I'm not sure why they dropped so much in a two point defeat.

[trueblue1234]

It's not the man marking that would overly cause me concern, it's our ability to close down the runners coming through. We don't have a strong "6" and at times have left huge gapping spaces down the middle and I think Kerry will target that. That's why I expect Kerry to get goals. And unfortunately unless we do the same, I think we will struggle to stay with them. But I dearly hope I'm wrong.

[thewobbler]

I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.

Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

Armagh is at 11 on this list, only a decimal point different to Cork. They were in 7th place in July, I'm not sure why they dropped so much in a two point defeat.

Assuming it uses a formula similar to world golf rankings, whereby the value of winning against someone above you is a multiplier of beating someone behind you, then Armagh really can't expect to be in the top 10 until they've done that a few times.

Cork's win v Kerry last year would surely still be worth more than beating Monaghan in the national league.

[stiffler]

Will there be tickets released on general sale for this ?

[Rossfan]

There were some on ticketmaster last week but sold out very quick as you'd expect.

[Milltown Row2]

There were some on ticketmaster last week but sold out very quick as you'd expect.

Why wouldn't those tickets be solely allocated for clubs only? Are there many Tyrone supporters that are not associated with clubs?

[Jayop]

Assuming it uses a formula similar to world golf rankings, whereby the value of winning against someone above you is a multiplier of beating someone behind you, then Armagh really can't expect to be in the top 10 until they've done that a few times.

Cork's win v Kerry last year would surely still be worth more than beating Monaghan in the national league.

Correct. I can't remember the exact formula but say Tyrone beat someone who are >5 places below them then they wont expect to pick up any points, however should they lose to someone way below them then they get hammered in the points and the other team get a massive jump. You're only rewarded for beating teams above you or close to you.

This year in the championship Mayo wont have gained anything from beating Sligo and Leitrim but the win against Galway and Dublin will have helped them.

Likewise Armagh beat Antrim and would have gained nothing but lost to Monaghan so would have gone down slightly.