Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021

[RedHand88]

Who the hell bes out of action for two weeks after the vaccine?!

[BennyCake]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

[The Black Mamba]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

Agreed. Actively discouraging it because, what, they might miss a training session? Even worse is that nonsense misinformation re side effects. Shameful from management.

Not encouraging and actively discouraging are worlds apart.

Mea culpa. Bad phrasing on my part. Nevertheless, the statement reeks.

[armaghniac]

Who the hell bes out of action for two weeks after the vaccine?!

The stories will come out, but in general the vaccination has not caused long term effects. Vaccines were readily available in the 6 counties in recent months, the team doctor could probably have vaccinated them after a game at the weekend and they
d be grand for training on Tuesday.

[yellowcard]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.   

[lenny]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

Agreed. Actively discouraging it because, what, they might miss a training session? Even worse is that nonsense misinformation re side effects. Shameful from management.

It is disgraceful from the Tyrone management and in my book totally changes how they should be viewed. There was a lot of sympathy for their plight but the lack of vaccinations and major socialising after the ulster final completely loses them all neutrals sympathy. Encouraging the players not to get the vaccine in case they missed a training session or 2 is just ridiculous and dangerous for the players. If any of them get really sick they would have a good case against the management or the tyrone county board.

[trueblue1234]

Not getting vaccinated is stupid. Be it the Tyrone panel or elsewhere. I'm sure on hindsight the ones not vaccinated are regretting the decision. If the management in any way discouraged taking the vaccine then I'd be bitterly disappointed.

[JoG2]

Not getting vaccinated is stupid. Be it the Tyrone panel or elsewhere. I'm sure on hindsight the ones not vaccinated are regretting the decision. If the management in any way discouraged taking the vaccine then I'd be bitterly disappointed.

There's bound to be a big uptake of younger players getting vaccinated now with the new legislation regarding being double jabbed and not having to isolate (with a negative test result)

[trueblue1234]

Not getting vaccinated is stupid. Be it the Tyrone panel or elsewhere. I'm sure on hindsight the ones not vaccinated are regretting the decision. If the management in any way discouraged taking the vaccine then I'd be bitterly disappointed.

There's bound to be a big uptake of younger players getting vaccinated now with the new legislation regarding being double jabbed and not having to isolate (with a negative test result)

You'd like to hope so.

[BennyCake]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?

[Silver hill]

Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

After the semi finals, several members of both the Armagh and Tyrone squads were in Tomneys in the Moy that Sunday night.

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.

[Silver hill]

Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

After the semi finals, several members of both the Armagh and Tyrone squads were in Tomneys in the Moy that Sunday night.

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.

After the semi finals, several members of both the Armagh and Tyrone squads were in Tomneys in the Moy that Sunday night.

[LeoMc]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?

Any vaccinated player would not have had to isolate as per current guidelines.

[Whishtup]

Listening to a lot of assumptions here about Covid and vaccinations and what people should and shouldn't do, without any consideration of individuals, societal challenges, misinformation by authorities, ever-shifting status updates, lock down fatigue, etc., etc. This is not a normal time and whether you're bareback in Danny Healy Rae's pub, celebrating an Olympic gold, partying with Zappone, or fully isolating and still sanitising your groceries, no-one can tell you what is the right thing to do.  What is disgraceful to one person is understandable to another.  In reacting to the outbreak, all parties seem to have been pretty honorable and should be applauded. A few on here could take a leaf out of their books.  Booked the tickets today and starting to think about the teams, match-ups, etc.  That's what it's all about. 

[yellowcard]

Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?

I'm not privy to your assertion that some of the players experienced health problems because of the vaccine or certainly to the best of my knowledge that is not something that was made public by the Tyrone camp. If this did this cause a problem with some individual players then come out and say it, then at least we know that they have taken the responsible action in getting vaccinated.

I don't know the answer as to when and how often they were being tested but I would like to think that when the first Covid outbreak became known that they would have been tested in advance of each subsequent gathering of players.

If half the squad were positive of course they couldn't play the semi final, they would be in isolation.