Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021

[Baile Brigín 2]

Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

[Baile Brigín 2]

Speculation

What is?

[the goal was on]

Why were they training this week if they were gonna pull out this morning?
Why are they due to train this weekend .
So clubs can expect there players back tomorrow and next week if they have pulled pin on game?

[LCohen]

Speculation gets us nowhere. In essence there will be speculation in many directions and people will chose to believe the speculation that suits their position.

We need clear statements of fact. There are basic questions that need answered by GAA and Tyrone.

I am a little worried that some here in addition to being against speculation are also against questions being asked or god forbid answered

[tonto1888]

Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

[LCohen]

These for starters but I have posted others....

Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.

[LCohen]

These for starters but I have posted others....

Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.

So, who should be asking these questions?

The questions that need to be answered by the GAA should be asked by every sports journalist worth their salt.

The questions that Tyrone answer should be asked by GAA and answers demanded. I would expect that journalists should be asking them also.

This is fairly basic stuff

[RedHand88]

These for starters but I have posted others....

Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.

So, who should be asking these questions?

The questions that need to be answered by the GAA should be asked by every sports journalist worth their salt.

The questions that Tyrone answer should be asked by GAA and answers demanded. I would expect that journalists should be asking them also.

This is fairly basic stuff

Do you want the medical records for amateur sportsmen? You're making a show of yourself here.

[LCohen]

And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around

[LCohen]

These for starters but I have posted others....

Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.

So, who should be asking these questions?

The questions that need to be answered by the GAA should be asked by every sports journalist worth their salt.

The questions that Tyrone answer should be asked by GAA and answers demanded. I would expect that journalists should be asking them also.

This is fairly basic stuff

Do you want the medical records for amateur sportsmen? You're making a show of yourself here.

If that is your reading of I posted then I cannot help you.

The questions are clear and Tyrone's ability to answer is clear. There would be no credible excuse for not answering them

[Baile Brigín 2]

Speculation

What is?

Your post. Indeed, basically everything you've posted on this topic.

So they haven't pulled out of the game because 20 players tested positive?

[RedHand88]

Anti-Tyrone bias is really clouding some people's judgement here.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Anti-Tyrone bias is really clouding some people's judgement here.

Give over. Don't hide behind that nonsense

[tonto1888]

Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

And you have proof that they went on the lash?