Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021

[armaghniac]

A major county cannot simply concede, there is only one way forward for Tyrone

[DuffleKing]

I'm not sure how we can be so far into this pandemic, with all of the learning and best practice that goes with that, and there are still so many people unsure about what is and is not a risk of exposure around spot.

[armaghniac]

The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID

As usual, pubs are an easy target for identifying Covid spread.

Meeting rooms and changing rooms seem to get off easy.

f**k knows why.

I think you do know why. A meeting could be held in a large room with plenty of space between people (although it should probably be on Zoom), at least some changing rooms are well ventilated. But above all you could be in a pub for a much longer time and mingling with other people who perhaps do not have the motivation to avoid Covid in order to play in Croke Park.

[Itchy]

Sad times, a match a lot of people looking forward to.

Not to forget, and i presume this is the case, a lot of them cant train either. I see they requested 2 week postponement to denied, should they have got the 2 weeks?

Another soft all Ireland for Kerry if the match doesn't go ahead, just like all the All Irelands won in the 70s/80s. 

The difficulty for administrators here is that if they grant a 2 week furlough to Tyrone, and then Kerry fall similarly asunder just before the rescheduled fixture, then the same discretion would have to be applied to Kerry. And then we would end up not only with an AI final at the end of September, but a gap of 5 weeks for the winners of Mayo and Dublin to wait out.

There's no perfect way to do things with sport and Covid. Because no matter what you do, it's unfair.

Cruel as it may seem, I think we should always rule/fall in favour of teams who don't fall to Covid. Avoiding a small Covid outbreak is a matter of luck, no doubt at all. Avoiding a full scale team outbreak though probably requires more along the lines of commonsense / acceptance of the guidelines, than actual luck. These lads do not have to spend 8 hrs a day in a meat factory together.

At least in a meat factory you can social distance... it is impossible to train GAA whilst social distancing, especially in the run up to an AI Semi.

Thats not true. Hardly any evidence of transmission outdoors. Its indoor meetings etc that cause the problems.

[skeog]

UK rules on covid being quoted have we not rules of our own?.

[Jim Bob]

So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?

[lenny]

Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

[RedHand88]

Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No.

Do you really think 20 odd lads as well god knows how many backroom staff are faking covid tests, opting out of training and work, just to be part of some big conspiracy to get a few lads another week at recovery.

Of course, none of this would make sense as you're preventing another 20 from training this week as a result of your plot.

[yellowcard]

Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.   

[GalwayBayBoy]

[Ethan Tremblay]

Just on this one, what does happen if the Kerry camp come down with a lot of cases as has happened here on the week of the game?

Out of the 30 odd players how many have covid that they couldn't field a team?
I know it wouldn't be their strongest team, but is that not what a panel of players is for ffs?

[viperhiggins]

So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?

You ever heard of Instagram Jimbob? Probably be hard from all the way up on your high horse there

[APM]

Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

Definitely not and btw this was predicatable and it is a definitely a player welfare issue as was discussed in previous posts. 

Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.

Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!

1 of the guys I know who was hit with it is an absolute machine. As fit a man as I know. For a few weeks after the all clear was really struggling APM

Spot on! An extra week will be of limited benefit to any player in that position depending on when they test positive. You will also have guys that will just want to get out and play and say that they are better. Not a good place to be in for a management team.

Someone mentioned the Newbridge or Nowhere scenario up above.  There is no way it will come to that. 
For a start, these are two totally different scenarios.  The Newbridge issue was patently unjust and Kildare were absolutely correct in challenging it. 

There will be sympathy for the predicament that Tyrone is in and setting the game back 1 week gives them a chance to field, but the impacted players will definitely not be right.  As someone said above, that is why you have a panel.

However, if Tyrone challenge this and get an additional week, then what happens if Kerry lose the two Cliffords to Covid for the refixture.  Would Tyrone offer Kerry another fortnight for the lads to recover. 

The GAA were pragmatic in moving the fixture by one week and it is probably the right thing to do.  In some ways they shouldn't have moved it at all because it sets a precedent.  However, you can definitely not have a further precedent set by Tyrone successfully challenging that decision, otherwise where does it stop.

What are considered sufficient grounds to push the game back?

They should fulfill the fixture with a weakened team or just concede a walkover, which you wouldn't want to see.

[Armagh18]

So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Oh no. Lock them up...

Nothing wrong with a drink they are are just right. Just no point people on here saying they went straight home after the game - who are they trying to fool?

Agreed! Jaysus they're after winning an Ulster championship after beating last years champions then 2 massive battles against Donegal and Monaghan. If they can't celebrate that then what is the point playing football! Ulster titles still mean something unlike Leinsters! And for the covid police, pubs are open so dont be yapping...

This is not a normal year though a bit or restraint would have done no harm.

I'm sure Cavan didnt celebrate last year at all;)

[Armagh18]

The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID

As usual, pubs are an easy target for identifying Covid spread.

Meeting rooms and changing rooms seem to get off easy.

f**k knows why.

Kill joys. That is literally it.