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Re: Congress
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2021, 04:37:22 PM »
Thereís no flawless format, big this one is exponentially better than any previous format over the past 130 years.

As an aside, for the past 15-20 years, each season, the championship has thrown up more dead rubbers than the league. For you always have a chance of a decent game when itís two evenly matched teams playing. You have absolutely no chance when one team is substantially strongly than the other.

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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2021, 04:39:08 PM »
Will there still be 8 teams in each division. Haven't given this much time nor thought given the disappointment of over 3 weeks ago.

It will be 8 game Division.

Using this format for how things finished 2020, the top 5 in Div 1 was Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone, Galway, Donegal and Div 2 winners Roscommon all 6 would go into the quarter finals

2nd, 3rd in Div 2 was Kildare, Armagh and Div 3,4 winners Cork, Limerick would play off for the final two quarter spots.

The likes of Monaghan, Mayo, Meath out before the championship knock out stages but according to some journalists this format has no flaws and a no brainer to vote in.

Somewhere along the line itíll hopefully dawn on you that in such a situation, their championship season consisted of 7 games, which should be plenty enough to gauge whether theyíre genuine contenders or not.

American football has probably the fairest, most egalitarian way of deciding their champions. They have to have the consistency, depth and resolve to maintain focus during a league campaign. And those that apply themselves more seriously in the league get more favourable opening to the playoffs. Then to win the thing, they have to have the spark, determination, energy, skill and luck needed to see off at least 3 of the best 4 teams in a month. Everything is put to the test over the season, and at the end of it, itís a rare, rare thing to think of the champions as anything other than the best team in the competition.

We are going the same way. The sport will thrive on this.

Going the same way of a franchise sport?  While GAA HQ are at it should they allow county teams to be bought out by billionaires and those wealthy owners pick up Sam Maguire instead of the captains. The player drafts should bring a great interest..

Sorry but itís would seem that while Iím talking about apples, youíre in the toilet throwing up some pears.

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Re: Congress
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2021, 05:36:50 PM »
Is it a yes know vote on
Proposal A
and if that doesn't get 60%
Yes/No on Proposal B.
Is there scope for amendments from the floor?
If neither A or B gets through....
Is the 3rd year of the "Super 8"(sic) the only show in town?
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2021, 05:42:57 PM »
Is it a yes know vote on
Proposal A
and if that doesn't get 60%
Yes/No on Proposal B.
Is there scope for amendments from the floor?
If neither A or B gets through....
Is the 3rd year of the "Super 8"(sic) the only show in town?

According to the Irish examiner the Super 8s are unlikely to happen in what will be a split county and club season next year. Status quo would be the 2001 to 2017 format.
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2021, 05:56:36 PM »
Will that decision need a vote?
The Tailteann  will still be there for D3 and 4 teams (unless they make a Provincial Final)?
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2021, 06:04:49 PM »
Will that decision need a vote?
The Tailteann  will still be there for D3 and 4 teams (unless they make a Provincial Final)?
Don't think so. Yes Tailteann Cup will be up and running next year. So if we have the 2001 to 2017 format in place next year it will be less qualifier games.
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2021, 07:31:23 PM »
If proposal B gets voted through, am I right in saying Tailteann still gets played but there is no automatic entry into the following years Senior championship for the winners?  If so, then it'll definitely fall by wayside and it's another Tommy Murphy...it's abit pointless.  I do see the merits in proposal B in that there is an opportunity for a Div 3 and 4 team to reach the knock stages, so you'd think this will make these divisions really competitive, but the reality is that any team finishing outside of top spot isn't gonna be arsed with it.
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2021, 07:56:42 PM »
Will that decision need a vote?
The Tailteann  will still be there for D3 and 4 teams (unless they make a Provincial Final)?
Don't think so.
Rule 6.28(iii) T O. would have to be amended to bring back knocknout Qtr Finals?
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2021, 08:27:39 PM »
Having Limerick and no Mayo or Monaghan is a bit.... odd.

Yeah. It could encourage relegation for teams who are inconsistent for 'long-term gain'.
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2021, 09:12:27 PM »
is there going to be league finals so will division 3 and 4 league finals would basically be a part of the all ireland aswell

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2021, 09:16:24 PM »
So with this option B, after the national league decides positions, itís an AI championship involving 8 teams? So QF, SF and F. 3 games to win an All Ireland??

i was going to write that aswell you could say it now only takes 3 games to win an all ireland if you dont count the league aspect

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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2021, 09:22:34 PM »
if the league is going to play such a big role in the all ireland then why market is as the league maybe better to rename them all ireland championship division A/B/C/D

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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2021, 09:24:20 PM »
There was a hilarious segment on Off The Ball AM the other morning where Ger Gilroy and co. were imagining a fantastical future under Proposal B, with stadiums packed out every week.

Delusion barely begins to explain it. It was like an infomercial. Mike Levy and Amazing Discoveries probably had more integrity about what they were selling.

Monaghan played Kerry in the Super 8s in Clones in high summer in what was to all intents and purposes an All-Ireland quarter-final, and it barely drew 17k in a stadium which holds 30k.

The promised glorious future won't happen.






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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2021, 10:09:03 PM »
A Division 1 Team would need to win about 3 games at least to get into the top 5 then the 3 knockout games so if you count the league aspect then you need to win  6 games at least to win all ireland tho you can now  lose 3 games and win all ireland  if this proposal is voted in.I hear the ulster president not happy

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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2021, 10:19:11 PM »
or 2 wins a draw could get you in top 5 i went  back on results i think mayo finished 5th one year with 2 wins and a draw
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