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« Reply #225 on: October 13, 2021, 03:07:03 PM »
No matter what the outcome in Congress with an AI Final on 17th July an awful lot of games will have to be held in April/May.
E.G if we end up with the 2017 system
17th July AIF
2/3 July AISFs
18/19 June AI Qtr Fs
4/5 June Round involving Provincial losing Finalists.
20/21 May Provincial Finals plus Qualifier Round.
6/7 May Provincial SFs.
April - Provincial prelims and Qtr Finals.
Add in Hurley stuff plus Minors, u20s....

Yes and the main commentary especially from the GPA is that every county will get a number of games played in the height of the summer if Proposal B gets the nod.

In reality for  3 teams in Div 1, 5 in Div 2 how many games will be played in June?  For 15 teams (7 in Div 3,4 and New York) will go into the Tailteann Cup with half of that number out after one game again how many of those teams that make their exit will get the chance to play in the height of the summer?

For me proposal B would work better if the 6 month window was April to September but they can't do that now with a split season already voted in.

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« Reply #226 on: October 13, 2021, 04:53:23 PM »
When the GAA had major proposals in the form of a Motion at Congress which they wanted to introduce  as future policy, in the past, they always had an intensive marketing campaign  in the media and top personalities went round each county explaining the pros of the motions. However, in the case of the current Proposals for the adoption of new Championship structures there has been a huge absence  in this regard.

If the GAA  really wanted to pass one of their motions re the new Championship proposals would they have held the Special Congress the day after the new attendance restrictions at public events were lifted? Could they not  have  waited another month so that every County Board could have a full attendance in person of all their delegates while at the same time  top GAA officials from the Review Body could address each County Board to present their case?

Further, to the best of my knowledge there has been no mention of the Proposals in public of any substance by any top official except by one Provincial CEO who is totally against  both motions. One can say that he at least had the honesty of his convictions but the great unanswered question is does he represent the universal view of all the voting delegates from all the counties in his province? What deductions can we take from the fact that the President or any other of the Provincial chiefs have said nothing? Are they fair to the members of the Review Body or anyone who made depositions to it?Do they want the players in at least 25 counties just to keep slogging away four days a week, thirty weeks a year training without any chance of  any silverware?

The  players, whom the Association claim are the most important people in all of this, were not even allowed through their rep, Tom Parsons, to present their case at Central Council.This, despite the fact that their members voted overwhelming in favour of Proposal B.This whole scenario is an awful indictment of the lack of respect that we show our players who train so hard and so long to provide us with so much enjoyment and entertainment.

If this official attitude does not change many of our players in all of our counties except the top four or five will give up playing at county level.

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« Reply #227 on: October 13, 2021, 05:08:34 PM »

 What deductions can we take from the fact that the President or any other of the Provincial chiefs have said nothing?

Connacht GAA chief John Prenty has spoken out.

In regards to the President he said it wouldn’t be appropriate for a member of the task force to speak out in favour of either proposal ahead of the vote.

“I was on the fixtures review committee that proposed both motions and didn’t put any favouritism towards one or the other,” he stated.

“So I think it would be inappropriate for me to be what the feeling is because I’ve got to stay neutral in this because of the fact I was on the committee.”
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« Reply #228 on: October 13, 2021, 06:10:23 PM »
If the GAA  really wanted to pass one of their motions re the new Championship proposals would they have held the Special Congress the day after the new attendance restrictions at public events were lifted? Could they not  have  waited another month so that every County Board could have a full attendance in person of all their delegates while at the same time  top GAA officials from the Review Body could address each County Board to present their case?

To be honest , would it matter? Do county delegates vote for what they personally want? Or do they vote what was decided by the votes of  the county board/clubs/membership etc?

Until we get transparency at Congress , we  will never know.

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« Reply #229 on: October 13, 2021, 07:43:10 PM »
https://www.the42.ie/gaa-structures-5573413-Oct2021/

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"THE GAA WOULD potentially earn an additional €10m in gate receipts alone if ‘Proposal B’ is voted into fruition at Special Congress later this month."
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"And a report by former Meath minor football manager Conor O’Donoghue, a member of the national calendar fixtures task-force who runs a financial services company, has outlined the likelihood that Proposal B and its additional games would potentially be worth €10m to the GAA.

O’Donoghue forecasts that, firstly, almost €8m in additional revenue would be accrued by Central Council through the extra fixtures that would fall under its remit; and that secondly, a January-to-April provincial competition would be worth €2m more to the provinces than existing structures. (The four provincial councils are, however, understood to be majorly opposed to Proposal B due to what they perceive to be the dilution of the provincial championships).

O’Donoghue based his analysis on the two Super 8 seasons pre-Covid."

Assuming that crowds will be similar for a league format as they are for a knock-out format is foolish

There will not be as many Armagh supporters travelling to Kerry or Mayo as there would be for a game against Down or Tyrone.

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« Reply #230 on: October 13, 2021, 07:47:20 PM »
Yes but assuming a national league match would register the same interest as an all Ireland league match, would be at least equally foolish.

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« Reply #231 on: October 13, 2021, 08:15:51 PM »
No matter what the outcome in Congress with an AI Final on 17th July an awful lot of games will have to be held in April/May.
E.G if we end up with the 2017 system
17th July AIF
2/3 July AISFs
18/19 June AI Qtr Fs
4/5 June Round involving Provincial losing Finalists.
20/21 May Provincial Finals plus Qualifier Round.
6/7 May Provincial SFs.
April - Provincial prelims and Qtr Finals.
Add in Hurley stuff plus Minors, u20s....

This more than likely will be the outcome in my opinion. But if Proposal B does go through, what dates will the games be played? Will the provinces have varying dates for their own standalone competitions?

Likewise Proposal A, anybody got the dates for the games under this proposal?
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« Reply #232 on: October 13, 2021, 08:45:30 PM »
No matter what the outcome in Congress with an AI Final on 17th July an awful lot of games will have to be held in April/May.
E.G if we end up with the 2017 system
17th July AIF
2/3 July AISFs
18/19 June AI Qtr Fs
4/5 June Round involving Provincial losing Finalists.
20/21 May Provincial Finals plus Qualifier Round.
6/7 May Provincial SFs.
April - Provincial prelims and Qtr Finals.
Add in Hurley stuff plus Minors, u20s....

This more than likely will be the outcome in my opinion. But if Proposal B does go through, what dates will the games be played? Will the provinces have varying dates for their own standalone competitions?

Likewise Proposal A, anybody got the dates for the games under this proposal?

For proposal B the Provincial pre season league competitions would be played in February and March in every province.

The seven game league/championship starts in April. Play offs for the 3rd,4th best in Div 2 v Div 3,4 winners played in June along with All Ireland quarter finals. The All-Ireland final will be played July 16th/17th regardless of what format we have next year.

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« Reply #233 on: October 13, 2021, 09:10:55 PM »
No matter what the outcome in Congress with an AI Final on 17th July an awful lot of games will have to be held in April/May.
E.G if we end up with the 2017 system
17th July AIF
2/3 July AISFs
18/19 June AI Qtr Fs
4/5 June Round involving Provincial losing Finalists.
20/21 May Provincial Finals plus Qualifier Round.
6/7 May Provincial SFs.
April - Provincial prelims and Qtr Finals.
Add in Hurley stuff plus Minors, u20s....

This more than likely will be the outcome in my opinion. But if Proposal B does go through, what dates will the games be played? Will the provinces have varying dates for their own standalone competitions?

Likewise Proposal A, anybody got the dates for the games under this proposal?

It was explained well enough from Parsons of the GPA https://t.co/VOWcOzhdxP?amp=1

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« Reply #234 on: October 14, 2021, 09:02:36 AM »
No matter what the outcome in Congress with an AI Final on 17th July an awful lot of games will have to be held in April/May.
E.G if we end up with the 2017 system
17th July AIF
2/3 July AISFs
18/19 June AI Qtr Fs
4/5 June Round involving Provincial losing Finalists.
20/21 May Provincial Finals plus Qualifier Round.
6/7 May Provincial SFs.
April - Provincial prelims and Qtr Finals.
Add in Hurley stuff plus Minors, u20s....

This more than likely will be the outcome in my opinion. But if Proposal B does go through, what dates will the games be played? Will the provinces have varying dates for their own standalone competitions?

Likewise Proposal A, anybody got the dates for the games under this proposal?

It was explained well enough from Parsons of the GPA https://t.co/VOWcOzhdxP?amp=1

That's a good summary. Are there similar links for the other options?

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« Reply #235 on: October 14, 2021, 09:36:14 AM »
It looks like the "Top table" has decided to let the Review Committee put up the 2 motions and are having no hand, act or part in it.
Seems a strange way to do business.
I'd have thought they'd have sent the 2 proposals around the Counties to see what support existed for either or what tweaks, amendments etc might garner support.
And then CC put up the motion on a final system.
Ah sure lookit......


PS Farr, if B passes the League/Championship is proposed to start weekend 9/10 April.
Probably last round Robin games 28/5 or 4/6.?
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« Reply #236 on: October 14, 2021, 09:46:24 AM »


What you will lose in people not attending because of weather you will also lose in June/July with people on holidays, exams, wedding etc. There never a time that will suit everyone nor can there be. In April and May people are generally very keen to get out and about again.
The peak summer months are always much more conducive to big attendances than April or May are. I honestly don't know how anybody could argue otherwise.

In terms of exams, it doesn't get much worse in terms of them affecting inter-county football than April/May.

People attend for the game not due to weather or it been peak summer. Six Nations and European club rugby have never suffered cause of the time of year it’s played. Premier league avoids this peak summer and play through the winter, doesn’t affect them.
This new structure is primarily aimed at getting competitive games and the best teams playing each other and other teams playing at their own level. That will drive people to the games. Not long ago Cavan played a 3rd string Dublin team in opening round of the league in Cavan, place was full and they literally opened gates to get people in. Was a fine spring day - they happen too! People attended because it was a big game.

In January 2020 over 40,000 went to Dublin V Kerry in Croke Park. January. Imagine that as a league championship game. In 2017 over 50,000 went to the league final between the two teams.

Big games will draw the crowds once promoted and that’s for new provincial championship or new league.

The Six Nations is the most important rugby competition of the year. It's rugby's equivalent of All-Ireland finals in terms of importance.

The Premier League is the world's league.

Dublin v Kerry 2020 was an exception to the rule. A rematch of the five in a row All-Ireland final of four months previous. It was the first match of the NFL, ie. the first match since that All-Ireland. It was an unseasonably fine night. Cavan v Dublin that time was the first match of the year, again in unseasonably fine conditions.. I can name other exceptions too. Dublin v Tyrone 2007 and 2009, Dublin v Kerry in the 2016 NFL final.

They're exceptions.


But nobody remembers Cavan v Dublin played on a pissing wet Saturday night in Breffni or Dublin playing Derry on a pissing wet Saturday night in Croke Park. Or the dirges of Dublin-Mayo NFL matches of 2017 and 2019. How many people were there when Tyrone beat Dublin in 2020? Or when Dublin played Monaghan in 2020?

And how many would be there if ticket prices were 50-60% dearer than for the NFL, as they surely would be? And with no free primary school tickets, as there usually is for Dublin's NFL home matches?



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« Reply #237 on: October 14, 2021, 09:32:10 PM »
why dont rte show friday night or early saturday afternoon games for divsion 3 and 4 if proposal b happens to give them exposure try and pick the most important game of the week in those leagues.

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« Reply #238 on: October 14, 2021, 09:33:09 PM »
will there be divsional finals maybe divsion 3 and 4 can have a finals so the act as extra knockout game that could be showing on rte

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« Reply #239 on: October 14, 2021, 09:38:39 PM »
why dont rte show friday night or early saturday afternoon games for divsion 3 and 4 if proposal b happens to give them exposure try and pick the most important game of the week in those leagues.

So players/coaches/supporters of counties should travel on a Friday night 100+ miles after work to a game and another 100+ and get home after midnight? To satisfy who?
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