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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #3435 on: December 05, 2017, 10:26:05 AM »
If there was any chance of N.Ireland getting the £1 Billion DUP bung I'd say it is gone now!

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« Reply #3436 on: December 05, 2017, 10:34:50 AM »
The thing about the DUP is that they havé offered no coherent alternative . Arlene says all the businesses she has spoken to want to follow England since it is their biggest market. But Brexit will shrink the UK economy  . Workers rights will be protected in the SM.

Who is funding the DUP?  This is much, much worse than marches.

Pro brexit businesses?
Like who?


The City is pro remain.Sterling is anti Brexit. 
A hard Brexit will hurt DUP voters

The government permanent, sustained
by the regular plebiscites of loyalty.
You always voted but never
put a sticker on your car;
a card in the window
would not have been seen from the street.
Faces changed on posters, names too, often,
but the same families, the same class of people.
A Minister once called you by your first name.
You coasted along
and the sores supperated and spread.



Now the fever is high and raging;
Who would have guessed it, coasting along?
The ignorant-sick thresh about in delirium
And tear at the scabs with dirty finger-nails.
The cloud of infection hangs over the city,
A quick change of wind and it
Might spill over the leafy suburbs.
You coasted along.


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« Reply #3437 on: December 05, 2017, 10:45:14 AM »
RTE should have kept their mouths shut!!!  >:(

Some continental European MEPs had also tweeted/commented about the deal claiming that they had seen it. It was going to come out one way or another.

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« Reply #3438 on: December 05, 2017, 10:56:58 AM »
Did Mayhem run it past the 17th century Puritans of the DUPUDA  beforehand at all?
240,000 holding up progress of 500,000,000.
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« Reply #3439 on: December 05, 2017, 11:04:49 AM »
Bunch of corrupt middle class unionists continue to stoke up hate and fear among working class protestants in order to sustain the status quo. This despite the opportunity to overhaul and transform the northern economy. Keeping the working class subservient whilst they continue to stay in power drawing on the big salaries and involving themselves in the shady business deals for themselves. They are playing their own community like fiddles to line their own pockets. The smugness etched on the faces of Jeffrey Donaldson and Nigel Dodds as they lined up alongside Arlene Foster yesterday was telling as they revel in their newly found power which is totally disproprtionate to their actual mandate.   

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« Reply #3440 on: December 05, 2017, 11:22:49 AM »
RTE should have kept their mouths shut!!!  >:(

Some continental European MEPs had also tweeted/commented about the deal claiming that they had seen it. It was going to come out one way or another.
May said yes. So the media ran with it
Then themmuns started saying no on social meeja. Arlene flipped   . Total cluster f**k
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« Reply #3441 on: December 05, 2017, 11:24:31 AM »
The thing about the DUP is that they havé offered no coherent alternative.

I'm certain they believe they don't need any alternative or any policy other than the 'no, no, no' mentality. Like the scorpion, they sting because it is their nature and contemplation of consequences doesn't arise. And, in this case, again like the scorpion, they do it because they can. So, even if they do contemplate consequences, they believe there are no adverse political or electoral consequences for this intervention.

They believe that if the deal goes ahead with a revised wording to accommodate them, they can point  to a victory. If they've scuppered the deal and forced a hard Brexit, they can likewise point to a victory as the heroes who saved the union. Economic consequences? Not even a consideration, they believe.

And I think they (and Tony Fearon in one respect) are right. Everything we know tells us that there is one issue that matters more than any other when it comes to marking an 'X' on a ballot paper in the North. What placement  of the 'X' does the most to piss off themmuns?
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« Reply #3442 on: December 05, 2017, 11:27:55 AM »
Bunch of corrupt middle class unionists continue to stoke up hate and fear among working class protestants in order to sustain the status quo. This despite the opportunity to overhaul and transform the northern economy. Keeping the working class subservient whilst they continue to stay in power drawing on the big salaries and involving themselves in the shady business deals for themselves. They are playing their own community like fiddles to line their own pockets. The smugness etched on the faces of Jeffrey Donaldson and Nigel Dodds as they lined up alongside Arlene Foster yesterday was telling as they revel in their newly found power which is totally disproprtionate to their actual mandate.

I actually thought they looked well rattled. Arlene in particular looked concerned. The writing is on the wall and they know it. They are like rats in a corner....

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« Reply #3443 on: December 05, 2017, 11:30:41 AM »
Lads, just a bit of tidy up here. And a WUM account has been banned.

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« Reply #3444 on: December 05, 2017, 11:37:14 AM »
The DUP may be smug at the minute but they will only be in this position of power for a short period of time. Surely the powers that be in London will remember this moment and they will be made to pay in the future.

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« Reply #3445 on: December 05, 2017, 11:41:06 AM »
The thing about the DUP is that they havé offered no coherent alternative.

I'm certain they believe they don't need any alternative or any policy other than the 'no, no, no' mentality. Like the scorpion, they sting because it is their nature and contemplation of consequences doesn't arise. And, in this case, again like the scorpion, they do it because they can. So, even if they do contemplate consequences, they believe there are no adverse political or electoral consequences for this intervention.

They believe that if the deal goes ahead with a revised wording to accommodate them, they can point  to a victory. If they've scuppered the deal and forced a hard Brexit, they can likewise point to a victory as the heroes who saved the union. Economic consequences? Not even a consideration, they believe.

And I think they (and Tony Fearon in one respect) are right. Everything we know tells us that there is one issue that matters more than any other when it comes to marking an 'X' on a ballot paper in the North. What placement  of the 'X' does the most to piss off themmuns?

The DUP are very like Trump. Put forward policies that work squarely against the interests of the working and middle classes, but con them into voting against their own interests based on "culture" - in both cases, "culture" means nothing except hatred of others.

None of the people pushing Brexit in politics or the media stand to suffer from the consequences of it. None of them.

Just like in the US, none of the people pushing for the destruction of healthcare, social services or any sort of regulation, or those pushing for war, stand to suffer in any way from any of that. They never do.


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« Reply #3446 on: December 05, 2017, 11:42:57 AM »
When Scotland, and more importantly London, come in screaming "We want what they've got", surely that's enough for the local business community to tell the DUP to f*** off?
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« Reply #3447 on: December 05, 2017, 11:48:01 AM »
I don't think the DUP wants a hard border in Ireland.They just don't want any differentiation with the UK.If the UK as a whole stays in the Customs and Regulatory Unions,they are fine with that.Their obdurance will have no adverse consequences,just like collapsing Sunningdale,the Anglo Irish Agreement,Parades protests,etc had no adverse consequences.As Ian Paisley used to boast,he always asked in Westminster "What are you going to do with 1m Protestants?", no doubt a warning shot across the bows of both London and Dublin.He ended up in the House of Lords in spite of thwarting British initiatives here at every turn almost.The extremes on both sides are always pandered to.

Looking objectively at it,is the DUP opposition to an Irish Sea border any more or less intransigent than Irish nationalism's opposition to a land border in Ireland,by the way?

I'm also wondering how many people in the South,including Sinn Fein members privately,share Gay Byrne's view that Ireland should also leave the EU,to prioritise its trade with the UK and ensure no borders here?
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« Reply #3448 on: December 05, 2017, 12:03:18 PM »
The thing about the DUP is that they havé offered no coherent alternative.

I'm certain they believe they don't need any alternative or any policy other than the 'no, no, no' mentality. Like the scorpion, they sting because it is their nature and contemplation of consequences doesn't arise. And, in this case, again like the scorpion, they do it because they can. So, even if they do contemplate consequences, they believe there are no adverse political or electoral consequences for this intervention.

They believe that if the deal goes ahead with a revised wording to accommodate them, they can point  to a victory. If they've scuppered the deal and forced a hard Brexit, they can likewise point to a victory as the heroes who saved the union. Economic consequences? Not even a consideration, they believe.

And I think they (and Tony Fearon in one respect) are right. Everything we know tells us that there is one issue that matters more than any other when it comes to marking an 'X' on a ballot paper in the North. What placement  of the 'X' does the most to piss off themmuns?

The DUP are very like Trump. Put forward policies that work squarely against the interests of the working and middle classes, but con them into voting against their own interests based on "culture" - in both cases, "culture" means nothing except hatred of others.

None of the people pushing Brexit in politics or the media stand to suffer from the consequences of it. None of them.

Just like in the US, none of the people pushing for the destruction of healthcare, social services or any sort of regulation, or those pushing for war, stand to suffer in any way from any of that. They never do.

The DUP from a control freak perspective are looking at their last horray here
Stormont will not reopen under their veto everything that doesn’t benefit them position , Europe and England is getting a taste of what nationalist in the north have to endure
The walls are closing in and when the next Tory government can stand on their own feet that unhappy marriage will collapse as well
Dublin thanks to their stance on Brexit are to be commended by all of the people in the north who voted to remain.
the DUP has acted against a democratic preference of its own people and for once might pay the price for their arrogance
Dublin take a bow

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« Reply #3449 on: December 05, 2017, 12:07:21 PM »
I don't think the DUP wants a hard border in Ireland.They just don't want any differentiation with the UK.If the UK as a whole stays in the Customs and Regulatory Unions,they are fine with that.Their obdurance will have no adverse consequences,just like collapsing Sunningdale,the Anglo Irish Agreement,Parades protests,etc had no adverse consequences.As Ian Paisley used to boast,he always asked in Westminster "What are you going to do with 1m Protestants?", no doubt a warning shot across the bows of both London and Dublin.He ended up in the House of Lords in spite of thwarting British initiatives here at every turn almost.The extremes on both sides are always pandered to.

Looking objectively at it,is the DUP opposition to an Irish Sea border any more or less intransigent than Irish nationalism's opposition to a land border in Ireland,by the way?

I'm also wondering how many people in the South,including Sinn Fein members privately,share Gay Byrne's view that Ireland should also leave the EU,to prioritise its trade with the UK and ensure no borders here?


Here you go.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/