Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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north_antrim_hound

Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 05, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
I don't think the DUP wants a hard border in Ireland.They just don't want any differentiation with the UK.If the UK as a whole stays in the Customs and Regulatory Unions,they are fine with that.Their obdurance will have no adverse consequences,just like collapsing Sunningdale,the Anglo Irish Agreement,Parades protests,etc had no adverse consequences.As Ian Paisley used to boast,he always asked in Westminster "What are you going to do with 1m Protestants?", no doubt a warning shot across the bows of both London and Dublin.He ended up in the House of Lords in spite of thwarting British initiatives here at every turn almost.The extremes on both sides are always pandered to.

Looking objectively at it,is the DUP opposition to an Irish Sea border any more or less intransigent than Irish nationalism's opposition to a land border in Ireland,by the way?

I'm also wondering how many people in the South,including Sinn Fein members privately,share Gay Byrne's view that Ireland should also leave the EU,to prioritise its trade with the UK and ensure no borders here?


Here you go.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/

How could anyone align gay bryne's view with the will of the average Irishman or woman

There's a man with a mullet going mad with a mallet in Millets

Premier Emperor

Gay Byrne has always been a Southern Unionist.

sid waddell

Quote from: T Fearon on December 05, 2017, 11:48:01 AM

I'm also wondering how many people in the South,including Sinn Fein members privately,share Gay Byrne's view that Ireland should also leave the EU,to prioritise its trade with the UK and ensure no borders here?
Find out how many people are in lunatic asylums in the Republic of Ireland, and that's your answer.

yellowcard

Quote from: GJL on December 05, 2017, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
Bunch of corrupt middle class unionists continue to stoke up hate and fear among working class protestants in order to sustain the status quo. This despite the opportunity to overhaul and transform the northern economy. Keeping the working class subservient whilst they continue to stay in power drawing on the big salaries and involving themselves in the shady business deals for themselves. They are playing their own community like fiddles to line their own pockets. The smugness etched on the faces of Jeffrey Donaldson and Nigel Dodds as they lined up alongside Arlene Foster yesterday was telling as they revel in their newly found power which is totally disproprtionate to their actual mandate.

I actually thought they looked well rattled. Arlene in particular looked concerned. The writing is on the wall and they know it. They are like rats in a corner....

Jeffrey Donaldson triumphally scolded Leo Varadkar on twitter yesterday stating that they refused to be dicatated to. Smugness personified is Jeffrey. Choosing to ignore the fact that it was his own British government who had agreed to the deal yet he couldn't resist misdirecting attention to the Irish government. They know that they have scuppered a good deal for the country but want to try and push the blame for it elsewhere.

yellowcard

Then you have Edwin Poots condescendingly referring to Varadkar as 'Little Leo'. Dominate, obfuscate, humiliate and cheer from the rooftops after another small minded pyrrhic victory for the DUP.

GJL

Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 05, 2017, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
Bunch of corrupt middle class unionists continue to stoke up hate and fear among working class protestants in order to sustain the status quo. This despite the opportunity to overhaul and transform the northern economy. Keeping the working class subservient whilst they continue to stay in power drawing on the big salaries and involving themselves in the shady business deals for themselves. They are playing their own community like fiddles to line their own pockets. The smugness etched on the faces of Jeffrey Donaldson and Nigel Dodds as they lined up alongside Arlene Foster yesterday was telling as they revel in their newly found power which is totally disproprtionate to their actual mandate.

I actually thought they looked well rattled. Arlene in particular looked concerned. The writing is on the wall and they know it. They are like rats in a corner....

Jeffrey Donaldson triumphally scolded Leo Varadkar on twitter yesterday stating that they refused to be dicatated to. Smugness personified is Jeffrey. Choosing to ignore the fact that it was his own British government who had agreed to the deal yet he couldn't resist misdirecting attention to the Irish government. They know that they have scuppered a good deal for the country but want to try and push the blame for it elsewhere.

They have scuppered nothing, only delayed it by a few days....

Jeepers Creepers

The entire DUP could be stranded on a patch of ice in the middle of the Ocean and still be patting each other on the back of a job well done....haven't a redner in them!

Itchy

Quote from: GJL on December 05, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: GJL on December 05, 2017, 11:27:55 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
Bunch of corrupt middle class unionists continue to stoke up hate and fear among working class protestants in order to sustain the status quo. This despite the opportunity to overhaul and transform the northern economy. Keeping the working class subservient whilst they continue to stay in power drawing on the big salaries and involving themselves in the shady business deals for themselves. They are playing their own community like fiddles to line their own pockets. The smugness etched on the faces of Jeffrey Donaldson and Nigel Dodds as they lined up alongside Arlene Foster yesterday was telling as they revel in their newly found power which is totally disproprtionate to their actual mandate.

I actually thought they looked well rattled. Arlene in particular looked concerned. The writing is on the wall and they know it. They are like rats in a corner....

Jeffrey Donaldson triumphally scolded Leo Varadkar on twitter yesterday stating that they refused to be dicatated to. Smugness personified is Jeffrey. Choosing to ignore the fact that it was his own British government who had agreed to the deal yet he couldn't resist misdirecting attention to the Irish government. They know that they have scuppered a good deal for the country but want to try and push the blame for it elsewhere.

They have scuppered nothing, only delayed it by a few days....

Exactly, they are swimming with the big fish now and they are only a little roach. Teresa May will realise she cannot hold the whole UK to ransom for 10 bigots in the 6 counties.

As for Gay Byrne, I for one would be delighted if he left the EU and Ireland and pissed of to somewhere else. Maybe he could go live with Bono.

Sweeper 123

Folks - We all know the DUP wont move, they will dig their heels in - it is there way or no way; There is no negotiating with them.

I really dont know where this will end; But one thing for sure is they have the Tory govt by the short and curlies.

Brokenshire should step in and solve this he's good at brokering deals with these folk.


Hardy

Quote from: yellowcard on December 05, 2017, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 05, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
I don't think the DUP wants a hard border in Ireland.They just don't want any differentiation with the UK.If the UK as a whole stays in the Customs and Regulatory Unions,they are fine with that.Their obdurance will have no adverse consequences,just like collapsing Sunningdale,the Anglo Irish Agreement,Parades protests,etc had no adverse consequences.As Ian Paisley used to boast,he always asked in Westminster "What are you going to do with 1m Protestants?", no doubt a warning shot across the bows of both London and Dublin.He ended up in the House of Lords in spite of thwarting British initiatives here at every turn almost.The extremes on both sides are always pandered to.

Looking objectively at it,is the DUP opposition to an Irish Sea border any more or less intransigent than Irish nationalism's opposition to a land border in Ireland,by the way?

I'm also wondering how many people in the South,including Sinn Fein members privately,share Gay Byrne's view that Ireland should also leave the EU,to prioritise its trade with the UK and ensure no borders here?


Here you go.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0509/873610-eu_poll/

That report says that 88% believe Ireland should remain in the EU and 16% believe we should follow the UK out of the EU. That means that 4% believe we should remain in the EU and also leave!

Interestingly, that seems to be what some in the UK want to do as well.

BennyCake

Don't like Gaybo but he's right. Ireland need to get out. But they're EU arselickers in Dublin.

Tubberman

Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Don't like Gaybo but he's right. Ireland need to get out. But they're EU arselickers in Dublin.

Tell us how that would work.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

Avondhu star

Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Don't like Gaybo but he's right. Ireland need to get out. But they're EU arselickers in Dublin.

Gobshite You haven't a clue
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

BennyCake

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Quote from: Tubberman on December 05, 2017, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Don't like Gaybo but he's right. Ireland need to get out. But they're EU arselickers in Dublin.

Tell us how that would work.

Most of Ireland exports are to UK. No border issue. Common Travel area remains. Not being dictated to from Europe. Simple.

But the Dublin government are spineless lickspittles who will never have the balls to tell Europe to get fucked.

Tubberman

Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 05, 2017, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Don't like Gaybo but he's right. Ireland need to get out. But they're EU arselickers in Dublin.

Tell us how that would work.

Most of Ireland exports are to UK. No border issue. Simple.

But the Dublin government are spineless lickspittles who will never have the balls to tell Europe to get fucked.

But they should beg to suck at London's hind tit!?
Are you completely raving f**king mad?
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."