Donegal v Dublin semi final 28-8-11

[mylestheslasher]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.

[ck]

I have yet to read a single rational post from a Donegal fan on here. Your posts are nearly as defensive as your tactics!
I have Donegal friends, informed and experienced GAA people and they are first to express disgust with the Donegal style, but kept quiet whilst Donegal were winning.

As for Rory Gallagher spouting nonsence after the game about getting Donegal fitter next year? Rory, you'll be away to the next county who waves a few euros in front of you!

[ross matt]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Jesus Christ Benny. You didnt get that "Cake" in amsterdam by any chance did ya?

[ross matt]

In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.

As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.

242 handpasses. With 6 months and a group of monkeys I could train them to do that. Genius technically alright.

Exactly. If the "visionary" Jim put as much time and preparation in to playing decent football and combined it with the strength and conditioning campaign + discipline they had this season they would probably have progressed just as far and would have been alot easier on the eye. I find it hard to believe good footballers like Murphy and McFadden would have enjoyed playing that gruelling shite.

[BennyCake]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.

Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days.  Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball.  Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.

Donegal will learn from this.  They'll be a better side next year.  Look at Tyrone.  They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).

[BennyCake]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Jesus Christ Benny. You didnt get that "Cake" in amsterdam by any chance did ya?

Nope, Vienna 

[ross matt]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.

Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days.  Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball.  Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.

Donegal will learn from this.  They'll be a better side next year.  Look at Tyrone.  They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).

Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.

[BennyCake]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.

Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days.  Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball.  Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.

Donegal will learn from this.  They'll be a better side next year.  Look at Tyrone.  They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).

Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.

They also only conceded 0-6 v Kerry in 2003.  Wasn't that ultra-defensive? Didn't you see that match? They also only scored 0-12 to win the All Ireland.  When was the last time 0-12 won the AI final?  You'd have to go back a long time.

Donegal do have fantastic forwards, such as McFadden, Murphy, McBrearty, Toye, Hegarty, Molloy, McHugh.  They just didn't use them right.

[tyssam5]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.

Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days.  Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball.  Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.

Donegal will learn from this.  They'll be a better side next year.  Look at Tyrone.  They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).

Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.

They also only conceded 0-6 v Kerry in 2003.  Wasn't that ultra-defensive? Didn't you see that match? They also only scored 0-12 to win the All Ireland.  When was the last time 0-12 won the AI final?  You'd have to go back a long time.

Donegal do have fantastic forwards, such as McFadden, Murphy, McBrearty, Toye, Hegarty, Molloy, McHugh.  They just didn't use them right.

They only conceded 0-5 versus Fermanagh in the 2003 QF, that must have been hyper-defensive by your reckoning? They still managed to find the time to knock over 1-21 themselves.

Derry  1-5  Tyrone 0-17
Antrim 1-9  Tyrone 1-17
Down   4-8  Tyrone 1-17
Down   1-5  Tyrone 1-17
Ferm   0-05 Tyrone 1-21
Kerry  0-6  Tyrone 0-13
Armagh 0-9  Tyrone 0-12

Scoring average 18 points per game over 7 games.
If that team had attacked they'd have been dangerous!

[tyssam5]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.

Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days.  Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball.  Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.

Donegal will learn from this.  They'll be a better side next year.  Look at Tyrone.  They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).

Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.

They also only conceded 0-6 v Kerry in 2003.  Wasn't that ultra-defensive? Didn't you see that match? They also only scored 0-12 to win the All Ireland.  When was the last time 0-12 won the AI final?  You'd have to go back a long time.

Donegal do have fantastic forwards, such as McFadden, Murphy, McBrearty, Toye, Hegarty, Molloy, McHugh.  They just didn't use them right.

They only conceded 0-5 versus Fermanagh in the 2003 QF, that must have been hyper-defensive by your reckoning? They still managed to find the time to knock over 1-21 themselves.

Derry  1-5  Tyrone 0-17
Antrim 1-9  Tyrone 1-17
Down   4-8  Tyrone 1-17
Down   1-5  Tyrone 1-17
Ferm   0-05 Tyrone 1-21
Kerry  0-6  Tyrone 0-13
Armagh 0-9  Tyrone 0-12

Scoring average 18 points per game over 7 games.
If that team had attacked they'd have been dangerous!

Of course a pure attacking football team such as Kerry in 2009, even though their average was undoubtedly hampered by meeting such defence minded outfits as Sligo and Antrim could show how to rack up scores in relation to the famous puke football team.

0   12   Cork
0   14   Sligo
2   12   Antrim
1   24   Dublin
2   8   Meath
0   16   Cork

An average of 16.8 points/game. Hmmmmmm? My calculator must be broke.

[mylestheslasher]

Benny - I have seen donegal in the flesh 2 times in this yrs championship against Cavan and derry. In both those games they played 14 men behind the ball for the entire match whenever the opposition had the ball. No team has done this before and it will kill football if it is allowed to be copied by others.

[screenexile]

In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.

As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.

242 handpasses. With 6 months and a group of monkeys I could train them to do that. Genius technically alright.

Sure that's what Gilroy and McGuinness have done

[lynchbhoy]

The penny drops now. Was your course leader talking about bringing the ball forward for dissent Lynchboy by any chance? 

Yes, I believe that should only be done once - it is not a new free kick but the original free kick moved forward:

RULE 6 - DISSENT
6.3 To show dissent with the referee's decision to
award a free kick to the opposing team.
PENALTY - The free kick already awarded
shall be taken 13m more advantageous
than the place of original kick - up to
opponents' 13m line.
Further dissent on an occasion shall be
considered as a breach of Rule 6.1 and
shall be penalised accordingly.

But we weren't talking about bringing Dublin's free forward for dissent 

If this is correct then I stand corrected. I did say that I was open to correction earlier .

Is that rule book the latest version?
I presume it is, if so then it must be about dissent that I am remembering.

Are you sure that the second 'ball move' against Donegal wasnt dissent?
either way it wasnt in a scoring area. Deegan got plenty more wrong in the game and imo we need video technology, hawkeye to help the referees as it is now impossible to fully and correctly ref a game at senior level. I've been calling for video technology for a couple of years now. Must do a Fearon and write to croker!

[Hardy]

(With apologies to Hanrahan)


"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
  In accent most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began,
  One frosty Sunday morn.


The congregation stood around,
  Coat-collars to the ears,
And talked of games and players sound,
  As it had done for years.


"It's looking rough," said Kerry Mike;
  "Bedad, it's rough, me lad,
For never since the banks went broke
  Has football been so bad."


"It's bad, all right," said Take Your Points,
  With which astute remark
He squatted down upon his heel
  And chewed a piece of bark.


And so around the chorus ran
  "It's gettin' worse, no doubt."
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
  "Before the year is out."


"The sport is f***ed; ye'll have your work
  To see one dacent game;
From here way out to Kiltimagh
  They sing the same refrain.


"They sing the same refrain," he said,
  And look around and cry."
The congregation scratched its head,
  And gazed around the sky.


"Fourteen men behind the ball”,
  Said the man from sweet Strabane
“The like was never seen before
  By either God or man.”


"Something must be done to stop it”,
  Cried Sheehy from the reek
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
  "If it isn’t done this week."


A heavy silence seemed to steal
  On all at this remark;
And each man squatted on his heel,
  And chewed a piece of bark.


"We want a change of rule, we do,"
  Ross Matt observed at last;
But Myles maintained we wanted two
  To put the danger past.


"If we don't get five changes, man,
  Or ten to stamp this out,
We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
  "Before the year is out."


In God's good time the final came;
  And all the afternoon
The points were scored, and Kerry roared
  - A sweet and homely tune.


But Kerry wouldn’t stop the rout
  They scored near thirty scores
Till Dublin’s boys were beaten out
  Through windows, gates and doors.


And through the night they nattered still,
  And fearful, dour-faced elves
On streets and stairs and barroom chairs
  Kept talking to themselves.


Then every heart took up the song
  Way out to Kiltimagh.
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
  "If Kerry aren’t stopped."


And still the year went by and by
  As every other goes
And soon the spring came o’er the fields
  And football talk arose.


And, oh, the smiles on every face,
  As happy lad and lass
Through grass knee-deep in every place
  Went riding down to Mass.


While round the church in clothes genteel
  Discoursed the men of mark,
And each man squatted on his heel,
  And chewed his piece of bark.


"There'll be something bad for sure, me man,
  There will, without a doubt;
We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
  "Before the year is out."

[tonto1888]

6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?

None (couldn't see the last free decision though).

Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.

To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out.  It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough.  Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do.  It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end. 

Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.

what have you got against dublin? Every post has has been antidublin