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GAA Discussion / Re: TG4 - Club Championships Coverage
« on: November 14, 2021, 06:51:37 PM »
Maybe they'll improve 2nd half but Corofin have showed nothing in that 1st half as to why they are favourites for the Connacht and All Ireland championships.

Corofin weren’t really even favourites for today’s game locally so I think that’s lazy on behalf of those who decide those odds! MM much the better team today and in fact reminded me of the way Corofin won many of their games in previous years. Fair play to them, they’re a long time waiting for this one and have come close many times. This corofin team is definitely in transition, no Gary
Sice, Ian Burke today and Mike Farragher didn’t get much game time. No doubt they made hay while they had the players but still will be there or thereabouts with the young talent they have coming through.

M/M worth every point of their winning margin and more, dominated the match for long periods. Corofin midfield which has been such a huge part of their incredible run was destroyed and Power had nowhere to go with kickouts in the first half, excellent game planning and execution from M/M.
Interesting to see how many of the winning team will be involved with the county, I'm a huge fan of John Daly, unless he's injured again it will be inexplicable if he's not CHB for Galway next year. Awful shame his brother hasn't a bit more pace, it's clearly held him back making it at IC level, he's fantastic at club level though.

I thought Corofin looked like a team with little to no hunger about them especially in the first half.
The key period was the first 20 minutes when MM went 7 points to 1 up. This 6 point difference ended up being the winning margin.
Around this stage TG4 put up the scoring opportunities stats and MM were 7 from 9 while Corofin were 1 from 1.
Later on in the second half Corofin were 4 from 4 in terms of scoring opportunities.
Pretty much all of the Corofin players were 2nd best on the day - was there any Corofin player who did better than his opponent?
Corofin were below par today but MM did a very good job of taking advantage of it.
If anyone was due to get a win over Corofin it was surely them.

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GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: November 09, 2021, 09:57:40 PM »
Perhaps there is no smoke without fire but a move back into GAA at this stage makes very little sense from Jim McGuinness point of view. Would he be prepared to cast aside years of soccer education to move back into the GAA without having had any form of tangible success? Its only a few months ago that he was being interviewed for the Dundalk job and as far as I understand it, he is currently in the final stages of completing his UEFA Pro licence after which he can manage professionally himself. So it makes no logical sense to move back into GAA management at this stage never mind to take on with Down.

Almost two and a half years since Charlotte fired him.
A record of 1 win in 14 league games is a fairly big albatross to be carrying around when looking for a job in the soocer world especially when the manager who replaced him won 8 of the remaining 20 league games with the same squad. The same team had won 8 out of 16 league games the year before McGuinness arrived.

Recently he has been involved as a coach with the Derry City U19s who won the U19 league about two weeks ago.
He was third in the pecking order there behind the manager and head coach of the U19s.

I can definitely see why a return to GAA would appeal to McGuinness.

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GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: October 22, 2021, 06:29:38 PM »
King Henry to take over the Galway senior hurlers. More power to him!
Who has he managed prior to this?

Ballyhale Shamrocks to a senior club all Ireland and Thomastown in Kilkenny Intermediate championship atm.

Ballyhale won the senior All-Ireland two years in a row.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 21, 2021, 06:11:00 PM »
A stat I saw elsewhere on the recent competiveness of the Uster Championship.

In the last 5 years there has been 41 Ulster Championship games - 9 of them have had double-digit winning margins (22%)

These weren't all first round mismatches - 1 of the double-digit winning margins was in a final and another was in a semi-final.

The average winning margin was 6 points and the mean was the same.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 21, 2021, 06:01:49 PM »
@BMacAnalyst on Twitter




Thread: GAA Championship Proposals

The past 10 years show a massive disparity in the number of Championship games played by each county.

This graphic shows the number of games various teams had over the last 10 years.
https://twitter.com/BMacAnalyst/status/1450805538472828937/photo/1

15/32 teams have played >50% less games than the Top teams; Mayo & Dublin.

From the graphic we could argue 3 tiers have existed since 2011:
1. Mayo-Kildare
2. Monaghan-Longford
3. Down-London

Proposal B with a league based championship could help fix the imbalances in games played.

This graphic shows a forecast of championship games each county could play in the next 10 years based on current standings.

https://twitter.com/BMacAnalyst/status/1450805542818025478/photo/1

Note: Not a statistical tested model.

The difference in number games played between the Top team (Kerry) and Bottom team (Cork) is approx* 21%.

https://twitter.com/BMacAnalyst/status/1450805549122076680?s=20

It was 69% from 2011-2022.

The worst effected team; Cork could still play 10 more Championship games by 2031 than in the past 10 years.

The current middle tier group: Arm, Mon, Kil, Cork, Gal, Ros, Clare, Meath will be greatest impacted.

However they could play approx* 35-50% more championship games than the past 10 years.

Tailteann Cup could allow the lower ranked teams to play approx 50-75% more championship games than the previous 10 years.

The Top teams could play approx 30% more games.

Based on this there was 1,242 games of senior intercounty played in the last decade and there would 2,708 played under Option B over the next decade.

That's an extra 1,466 games in a decade or 146 games each year.

This is absolutely massive - especially in terms of boosting the number of games for the weaker counties.

Multiple managers have spoken about the lack of games being a massive impediment in terms of developing players.

The number of extra games each county would have in 10 years under this scenario.

London          66
Waterford      60
Carlow           59
Limerick        57
Wexford        57
Wicklow         57
Antrim          56
Louth           56
Sligo            55
Westmeath        55
Fermanagh        53
Leitirm              53
Derry              52
Down               52
Offaly             51
Tipperay           51
Clare                   49
Longford           47
Armagh          43
Kerry         43
Cavan         41
Galway        41
Meath         40
Roscommon      38
Monaghan      35
Cork               34
Laois               34
Donegal      28
Kildare      28
Dublin      25
Mayo              25
Tyrone      25

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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 21, 2021, 05:32:56 PM »
@BMacAnalyst on Twitter




Thread: GAA Championship Proposals

The past 10 years show a massive disparity in the number of Championship games played by each county.

This graphic shows the number of games various teams had over the last 10 years.
https://twitter.com/BMacAnalyst/status/1450805538472828937/photo/1

15/32 teams have played >50% less games than the Top teams; Mayo & Dublin.

From the graphic we could argue 3 tiers have existed since 2011:
1. Mayo-Kildare
2. Monaghan-Longford
3. Down-London

Proposal B with a league based championship could help fix the imbalances in games played.

This graphic shows a forecast of championship games each county could play in the next 10 years based on current standings.

https://twitter.com/BMacAnalyst/status/1450805542818025478/photo/1

Note: Not a statistical tested model.

The difference in number games played between the Top team (Kerry) and Bottom team (Cork) is approx* 21%.

https://twitter.com/BMacAnalyst/status/1450805549122076680?s=20

It was 69% from 2011-2022.

The worst effected team; Cork could still play 10 more Championship games by 2031 than in the past 10 years.

The current middle tier group: Arm, Mon, Kil, Cork, Gal, Ros, Clare, Meath will be greatest impacted.

However they could play approx* 35-50% more championship games than the past 10 years.

Tailteann Cup could allow the lower ranked teams to play approx 50-75% more championship games than the previous 10 years.

The Top teams could play approx 30% more games.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 20, 2021, 07:39:52 PM »

All these counties confirmed in favour of Option B
Meath
Tipperary
Kildare
Cork
Longford
Down
Clare
Louth
Westmeath
Offaly

Warwickshire supposedly leaning towards being in favour

Delegates decide on the day (and from looking at what they have said there's a reasonable chance all of these 4 might vote in favour of Option B)
Wexford - the following is from the Wexford GAA websiter "The Senior Football Team preferred option for 2022 is Proposal B. There was clear support from Club delegates for the need for change to the status quo. It was agreed that Wexford GAA’s delegates to Special Congress should consider the debate on Saturday and any proposed amendments and vote in the interest of change and Wexford GAA."
Laois
Waterford
Kerry

Individuals who have come out in favour of Option B
President Larry McCarthy and director general Tom Ryan (although he doesn't have a vote)
Ex-President Sean Kelly in favour
Ex-President John Horan called for a two year trial of Option B

The only people who have come out against it are the 4 Provincial Secretaries.

Roscommon and Sligo confirmed in favour of Option B

Still no county have come out in favour of Option A or the status quo.

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GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: October 20, 2021, 06:39:51 PM »
King Henry to take over the Galway senior hurlers. More power to him!

Davy a serious contender for shortest managerial reign ever.

Would be interesting to see who was it who broke the news that Davy had the job yesterday.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 20, 2021, 04:56:07 PM »
 I can't help but wonder if one of the possible rumoured amendments to Option B is a middle tier championship after the end of the league stage.

The teams who finish in 6th, 7th, and 8th position in Division 1 and the teams that finish in 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th teams in Division 2 play a 8 team tournament intermediate championship.

With only 8 teams it could be run off quickly enough [less teams than both Sam Maguire and the Tailteann Cup]

Is there anyone who thinks this tweak is not an improvement to Option B?




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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 20, 2021, 03:41:11 PM »
7 counties have backed proposal B. Cork, Tipperary, Wexford (with clarifications) Meath, Kildare, Longford and Clare.

A total of 23 votes "confirmed" then out of a total of 183

All these counties confirmed in favour of Option B
Meath
Tipperary
Kildare
Cork
Longford
Down
Clare
Louth
Westmeath
Offaly

Warwickshire supposedly leaning towards being in favour

Delegates decide on the day (and from looking at what they have said there's a reasonable chance all of these 4 might vote in favour of Option B)
Wexford - the following is from the Wexford GAA websiter "The Senior Football Team preferred option for 2022 is Proposal B. There was clear support from Club delegates for the need for change to the status quo. It was agreed that Wexford GAA’s delegates to Special Congress should consider the debate on Saturday and any proposed amendments and vote in the interest of change and Wexford GAA."
Laois
Waterford
Kerry

Individuals who have come out in favour of Option B
President Larry McCarthy and director general Tom Ryan (although he doesn't have a vote)
Ex-President Sean Kelly in favour
Ex-President John Horan called for a two year trial of Option B

The only people who have come out against it are the 4 Provincial Secretaries.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:46:37 PM »
Quote
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1450109412463497223

Michael Reynolds, Leinster GAA Secretary showing what he thinks of the players views here.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Congress
« on: October 07, 2021, 04:04:52 PM »
Quote
We have 80% of our membership in favour of Proposal B, 90% of our GPA representatives and captains support the series.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1007/1252296-its-about-fairness-gpa-urge-support-for-option-b/


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GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
« on: October 01, 2021, 04:27:28 PM »
As Rossfan so accurately states Proposal A for the new football championship structures IS A DEFINITE non runner for purely realistic and practical reasons. 

If Proposal B does not get at least 60 per cent of the Congress vote on October 23rd we will be left with a return  basically to the Super 8 system which  caters only for the top eight teams in the country.

No system outside the total implementation of a  three category system based on separate Senior,Intermediate and Junior championship as per the County Club Championships in most counties can be completely fair or equitable.That however is not on the table.


Therefore Proposal B, PROVIDED  the Tailteann Cup is marketed properly and played in tandem with the Sam Maguire Cup series up to and including All Ireland final weekend, is by far the fairest proposal to treat ALL of our players in  ALL 32 counties in a fair manner.After all at present every county trains as hard as the Dublins,Mayos,Tyrones and Kerrys of this world.

The delegates to the Special Congress must vote accordingly so that every county has a reasonable chance of some silverware.Proposal B CATERS FOR THAT EVENTUALITY.

Yeah Option B looks very much like the least worst option by a long distance.

Ulster GAA provincial secretary and CEO Brian McAvoy has said that there are "significant weaknesses" in the idea of a league-based All-Ireland Football Championship.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1250023/?

The weakness of McAvoy's arguments makes me think that Option B might actually have a real chance of being passed.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Team Announcements
« on: September 27, 2021, 04:49:51 PM »
Given the Thursday 9AM rule, then this makes perfect sense.

I'm sure some counties are better than others at finding out the opposition's 26, so this levels the playing field. And gives media a better chance at doing a preview, and such previews promote the games.

It would seem managers still have the opportunity to move the 26 around, just can't bring someone in from outside the 26, which has been the rule for the last few years anyway.
allow 30.

The rules on expenses currently allow for a senior panel of 32 to receive expenses from Croke Park.
 
At the moment if a county has a panel larger than 32, the individual county board has to cover expenses from those outside the 32.
The expense rules also allow for 9 non players i.e. manager and backroom team.
[There was talk about limiting intercounty panels to just 32 players in total. I wouldn't be surprised if that comes in sooner rather than later.]

I think county boards should have to publish every player on every intercounty panel on the county website.
It's pretty poor behaviour in my opinion for managers to go on about the importance of squad players and then continously publish teams of 15 with no subs.
It's a bit of a thankless job being the 32nd player on an intercounty squad but at least if the full intercounty squad is named for every game the player in question is officially recognised.

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GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: September 07, 2021, 02:19:37 PM »
Ronan McCarthy gone in Cork.

Very much given the bullet based on the article below.

Quote
The executive of Cork GAA has decided not to extend his term into the final season of their two-year agreement, despite McCarthy's desire and eagerness to do so. It is understood a meeting of the Executive Monday night rubber-stamped the decision.

Record defeat to Kerry, getting relegated to Division 3 and getting caught breaking the Covid ban rolling around on the beach in Youghal some of the low lights.

Evidence of a different approach by the Cork CB.

I'd say if Frank and friends were still running things he'd have every chance of getting to see out his last year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40387241.html

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