Three opening round matches this Sunday.
Westmeath V Wicklow O'Moore Park 3.30pm
Carlow v Wexford Wexford Park 2:30pm
Longford v Meath Pearse Park 3pm
Quarter finals on the 13th/14th of April
Kildare v Westmeath/Wicklow
Louth v Carlow/Wexford
Dublin v Longford/Meath
Offaly v Laois
Semi finals
Kildare/Westmeath/Wicklow v Louth/Carlow/Wexford
Dublin/Longford/Meath v Offaly/Laois
Westmeath and Louth will be an interesting semi if both get there. Is there any scenario Louth will be out of Sam? Westmeath will be looking to reach the final obviously.
It'd be a decent competition this if the Dubs weren't in it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 09:31:23 PMWestmeath and Louth will be an interesting semi if both get there. Is there any scenario Louth will be out of Sam? Westmeath will be looking to reach the final obviously.
It'd be a decent competition this if the Dubs weren't in it.
If Louth fail to make a provincial final and Down make the Ulster Final.
That would put Louth more than likely into the Tailteann Cup.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 01, 2024, 09:25:11 PMThree opening round matches this Sunday.
Westmeath V Wicklow O'Moore Park 3.30pm
Carlow v Wexford Wexford Park 2:30pm
Longford v Meath Pearse Park 3pm
Quarter finals on the 13th/14th of April
Kildare v Westmeath/Wicklow
Louth v Carlow/Wexford
Dublin v Longford/Meath
Offaly v Laois
Semi finals
Kildare/Westmeath/Wicklow v Louth/Carlow/Wexford
Dublin/Longford/Meath v Offaly/Laois
Have they decided on a venue if Dublin v Meath transpires?
Longford vs Dublin will be in Longford. Meath vs Dublin will be in Croker as far as I know.
I think we're too strong for Longford and we have a more settled team now than last year. Having a crack at the Dubs will be good for these young lads to prove themselves. After that they'll have a taste of what the levels needs to be for All Ireland success.
Quote from: thejuice on April 02, 2024, 06:05:43 PMLongford vs Dublin will be in Longford. Meath vs Dublin will be in Croker as far as I know.
I think we're too strong for Longford and we have a more settled team now than last year. Having a crack at the Dubs will be good for these young lads to prove themselves. After that they'll have a taste of what the levels needs to be for All Ireland success.
Do you think Meath have improved much since last year?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 06:15:51 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 02, 2024, 06:05:43 PMLongford vs Dublin will be in Longford. Meath vs Dublin will be in Croker as far as I know.
I think we're too strong for Longford and we have a more settled team now than last year. Having a crack at the Dubs will be good for these young lads to prove themselves. After that they'll have a taste of what the levels needs to be for All Ireland success.
Do you think Meath have improved much since last year?
Enough to beat Longford anyway.
If we play smart against the Dubs and don't give the ball away needlessly we might stay with them for an hour but we need everyone back from injury and performing at our best. We rattled them in 2021 but haven't got back to that level since.
If we play to our typical league form we'll be steam rolled.
Quote from: thejuice on April 02, 2024, 08:03:21 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 06:15:51 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 02, 2024, 06:05:43 PMLongford vs Dublin will be in Longford. Meath vs Dublin will be in Croker as far as I know.
I think we're too strong for Longford and we have a more settled team now than last year. Having a crack at the Dubs will be good for these young lads to prove themselves. After that they'll have a taste of what the levels needs to be for All Ireland success.
Do you think Meath have improved much since last year?
Enough to beat Longford anyway.
If we play smart against the Dubs and don't give the ball away needlessly we might stay with them for an hour but we need everyone back from injury and performing at our best. We rattled them in 2021 but haven't got back to that level since.
If we play to our typical league form we'll be steam rolled.
I have noticed that They seem to have become more defensive in their 2nd year under o'Rourke.
His experiment of 90s style football appears to have been abandoned.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 02, 2024, 10:17:38 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 01, 2024, 09:25:11 PMThree opening round matches this Sunday.
Westmeath V Wicklow O'Moore Park 3.30pm
Carlow v Wexford Wexford Park 2:30pm
Longford v Meath Pearse Park 3pm
Quarter finals on the 13th/14th of April
Kildare v Westmeath/Wicklow
Louth v Carlow/Wexford
Dublin v Longford/Meath
Offaly v Laois
Semi finals
Kildare/Westmeath/Wicklow v Louth/Carlow/Wexford
Dublin/Longford/Meath v Offaly/Laois
Have they decided on a venue if Dublin v Meath transpires?
It should be on in a Kepak meat factory
Are the Dubs any good this year?
Offaly Meath would be an entertaining semi.
Quote from: Muck Savage on April 03, 2024, 05:43:41 AMAre the Dubs any good this year?
Offaly Meath would be an entertaining semi.
Not great, they couldn't get past one of them ould nordie teams the other day.
I fancy Laois to beat Offaly. Offaly no great this year.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2024, 08:45:38 AMI fancy Laois to beat Offaly. Offaly no great this year.
Offaly have failed to push on with the U20's.
Looks like it will be a false dawn.
It's not that many years ago they won that though. (However I think the ones who are hurlers too will likely choose hurling)
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2024, 09:17:34 AMIt's not that many years ago they won that though. (However I think the ones who are hurlers too will likely choose hurling)
Is hurling the bigger game in Offaly though?
Always thought Offaly was more of a football county but not by a massive majority. A bit like Laois or Carlow.
Re. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/331412
Now of all the legends sitting on the Bench. I would have thought Cluxton was the one most likely to improve Dublin's performance.
What do you think?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 03, 2024, 01:51:08 PMhttps://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/331412
Now of all the legends sitting on the Bench. I would have thought Cluxton was the one most likely to improve Dublin's performance.
What do you think?
Where is O'Hanlon? I was fairly impressed anytime I seen him. Wasnt impressed with Comerford at the weekend at all
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on April 03, 2024, 12:57:57 PMRe. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
Always found it very interesting to see the split in counties.
As someone once said the Hurling areas in Ireland is Tipperary and every county it borders.
With the exception of Wexford pockets of North Kerry and the Glens of Antrim.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 02:06:54 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 03, 2024, 12:57:57 PMRe. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
Always found it very interesting to see the split in counties.
As someone once said the Hurling areas in Ireland is Tipperary and every county it borders.
With the exception of Wexford pockets of North Kerry and the Glens of Antrim.
(https://www.historyireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Geography-of-Hurling-4.jpg)
Is Galway like that and the hurling strongholds would be more towards Munster and football more into Connacht?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2024, 04:27:35 PMIs Galway like that and the hurling strongholds would be more towards Munster and football more into Connacht?
Yes. North Galway borders Roscommon and Mayo whereas South Galway borders Clare, Tipp and Offaly. The hurling region generally has better land .
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2024, 04:24:05 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 02:06:54 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 03, 2024, 12:57:57 PMRe. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
Always found it very interesting to see the split in counties.
As someone once said the Hurling areas in Ireland is Tipperary and every county it borders.
With the exception of Wexford pockets of North Kerry and the Glens of Antrim.
(https://www.historyireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Geography-of-Hurling-4.jpg)
That looks about right.
Laois the only county which has swayed since that I would imagine.
Be 60 40 in favour of football now I would think?
Crazy how small and area it is
I see Longford bet Dublin in the Leinster MFC tonight!!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2024, 11:12:04 PMI see Longford bet Dublin in the Leinster MFC tonight!!
Longford 3-08 Dublin 1-09 first win at that grade for Longford since 2002.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 05:13:17 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 03, 2024, 04:24:05 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 02:06:54 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 03, 2024, 12:57:57 PMRe. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
Always found it very interesting to see the split in counties.
As someone once said the Hurling areas in Ireland is Tipperary and every county it borders.
With the exception of Wexford pockets of North Kerry and the Glens of Antrim.
(https://www.historyireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Geography-of-Hurling-4.jpg)
That looks about right.
Laois the only county which has swayed since that I would imagine.
Be 60 40 in favour of football now I would think?
It's 50/50 in Laois . Parts of the county to the north and the east of Portlaoise is all football. Parts of the county to the south and the west of Portlaoise is all hurling . Portlaoise town itself plays both sports. The football side of Laois would have a bigger population than the hurling side as it is situated closer to Dublin .
The hurling side of Laois would be geographically a bigger area though
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 02:06:54 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 03, 2024, 12:57:57 PMRe. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
Always found it very interesting to see the split in counties.
As someone once said the Hurling areas in Ireland is Tipperary and every county it borders.
With the exception of Wexford pockets of North Kerry and the Glens of Antrim.
Hurling used to be a lot bigger in Ulster/Connacht/North Leinster. There's a few clubs in Donegal which used to play hurling. Ulster hurling was similar to Shinty in Scotland.
https://www.historyireland.com/the-geography-of-hurling-11-2/ (https://www.historyireland.com/the-geography-of-hurling-11-2/)
QuoteTWO VERSIONS
By the eighteenth century it is quite clear that there were two principal, and regionally distinct,versions of the game. One was akin to modern field hockey, or shinty, in that it did not allow handling of the ball; it was played with a narrow, crooked stick; it used a hard wooden ball (the 'crag'); it was mainly a winter game. This game, called camán (anglicised to 'commons'), was confined to the northern half of the country; its southern limits were set sharply where the small farms of the drumlin belt petered out into the pastoral central lowlands.
It declined after Cusack formed the modern sport based on the southern rules.
QuoteThus, when Michael Cusack set about reviving the game, he codified a synthetic version, principally modelled on the southern 'iomán' version that he had known as a child in Clare. Not surprisingly, this new game never caught on in the old 'commons' area, with the Glens of Antrim being the only major exception.
This is the biggest hurdle to growing hurling. The traditional game became extinct and you've had a century of generations only knowing Gaelic football or soccer. I do wonder what would have happened if both versions of the game had been preserved.
Quote from: Laoiseabu on April 04, 2024, 02:28:18 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 05:13:17 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 03, 2024, 04:24:05 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 03, 2024, 02:06:54 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 03, 2024, 12:57:57 PMRe. Football & Hurling areas in Carlow, Laois & Offaly
At a guess I'd say the area split would be two-thirds football and one-third hurling - I'm open to contradiction.
Most clubs across these counties would be dual - football clubs fielding at minimum junior hurling teams and vice-versa.
Carlow - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny & Wexford
Laois - hurling strongest in areas bordering Kilkenny, Offaly & Tipperary
Offaly - hurling strongest in areas bordering Galway, Tipperary & Laois
There was a good programme on TV some time ago about Bord na Mona and how the employment it provided was a big factor in the rise of Offaly football in the 1960s through to 1980s.
Westmeath is another county similar to Carlow, Laois & Offaly with a proud football & hurling tradition.
Of course Offaly's record as a dual county is the envy of all the smaller dual counties.
Always found it very interesting to see the split in counties.
As someone once said the Hurling areas in Ireland is Tipperary and every county it borders.
With the exception of Wexford pockets of North Kerry and the Glens of Antrim.
(https://www.historyireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/The-Geography-of-Hurling-4.jpg)
That looks about right.
Laois the only county which has swayed since that I would imagine.
Be 60 40 in favour of football now I would think?
It's 50/50 in Laois . Parts of the county to the north and the east of Portlaoise is all football. Parts of the county to the south and the west of Portlaoise is all hurling . Portlaoise town itself plays both sports. The football side of Laois would have a bigger population than the hurling side as it is situated closer to Dublin .
The hurling side of Laois would be geographically a bigger area though
Its the opposite of Clare then.
Football area possibly slightly bigger but population far bigger in the Hurling area as its closer to Limerick etc.
Leinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Quote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 04, 2024, 04:19:58 PMQuote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Anyone who thinks Leinster football is alive is deluded.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 04, 2024, 04:19:58 PMQuote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Its nearly a disadvantage being a 2nd seed you see the likely seeds below. Seed 3 arguably stronger than 2.
Seed 1
Dublin
Kerry
Derry
Mayo
Seed 2
Louth
Clare
Armagh
Galway
Seed 3
Tyrone
Donegal
Roscommon
Monaghan
Seed 4
Cavan
Cork
Meath
Westmeath
Derry are showing it's possible for smaller counties to push Dublin. Meath and Kildare if they got the house in order should be at a similar level to Derry at the minute? Don't think thats a ridiculous statement is it?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 04, 2024, 04:50:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 04, 2024, 04:19:58 PMQuote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Its nearly a disadvantage being a 2nd seed you see the likely seeds below. Seed 3 arguably stronger than 2.
Seed 1
Dublin
Kerry
Derry
Mayo
Seed 2
Louth
Clare
Armagh
Galway
Seed 3
Tyrone
Donegal
Roscommon
Monaghan
Seed 4
Cavan
Cork
Meath
Westmeath
Of course it is. Seed 2 is provincial losers. Leinster and Munster finalists won't be from Division 1 whereas Seed 3 will be more likely to have Division 1
Quote from: NotedObserver on April 03, 2024, 01:54:14 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 03, 2024, 01:51:08 PMhttps://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/331412
Now of all the legends sitting on the Bench. I would have thought Cluxton was the one most likely to improve Dublin's performance.
What do you think?
Where is O'Hanlon? I was fairly impressed anytime I seen him. Wasnt impressed with Comerford at the weekend at all
Comerford better on the kickouts than O'Hanlon. With Costello injured Comerford was needed for 45s. Didn't have a good game. Unusually slow with his restarts and struggled with the Derry press.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 08:55:58 PMDerry are showing it's possible for smaller counties to push Dublin. Meath and Kildare if they got the house in order should be at a similar level to Derry at the minute? Don't think thats a ridiculous statement is it?
Certainly is not. And in real Terms when you make allowance for the demographic of Derry's population and the Soccer influence in Derry City. Meath are much bigger than Derry.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 04, 2024, 04:50:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 04, 2024, 04:19:58 PMQuote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Its nearly a disadvantage being a 2nd seed you see the likely seeds below. Seed 3 arguably stronger than 2.
Seed 1
Dublin
Kerry
Derry
Mayo
Seed 2
Louth
Clare
Armagh
Galway
Seed 3
Tyrone
Donegal
Roscommon
Monaghan
Seed 4
Cavan
Cork
Meath
Westmeath
You never know, after all Armagh was a second seed last year and was just a penalty shootout win away from reaching the last four.
Teams named.
WESTMEATH:
Jason Daly
Daniel Scahill, Charlie Drumm, James Dolan;
Nigel Harte, David Lynch, Sam McCartan;
Ray Connellan, Andy McCormack;
Jonathan Lynam, Ronan O'Toole, Conor Dillon;
Luke Loughlin, Robbie Forde, Stephen Smith.
Subs: Trevor Martin, Matthew Whittaker, Senan Baker, Jack Smith, Shane Allen, Conor McCormack, Eoin Mulvihill, Lorcan Dolan, Eoghan McCabe, John Heslin, Ronan Wallace
WICKLOW:
Shane Doyle;
Tom Moran, Jack Treacy, Eoin Murtagh;
Matt Nolan, Patrick O Keane, Gavin Fogarty;
Dean Healy, Craig Maguire;
Darragh Fee, Christopher O Brien, Jack Kirwan;
Jonathan Carlin, Kevin Quinn, John Paul Nolan.
Subs: Cathal Fitzgerald, Brian Nesbitt, Cillian Mc Donald, Gearoid Murphy, Joe Prendergast, Oisin Mc Graynor, Adam Arslan, Jaques Mc Call, Martin Cullen, Liam O Neill, Dan Cooney
LONGFORD:
Patrick Collum
Patrick Fox, Oisín O'Toole, Liam Hughes
Bryan Masterson, Ryan Moffett, Dessie Reynolds
Darren Gallagher, Paddy Kiernan
Mark Hughes, Michael Quinn, Joseph Hagan
Daniel Reynolds, Daniel Mimnagh, Keelin Mc Gann.
Subs: Mícheál Hughes, Darragh Finlass, Bryn Peters, Diarmuid Farrell, James Kiernan, Sean O'Sullivan; Ruairí Harkin, Jayson Matthews, Dáire Duggan, Dylan Farrell, Cathal McCabe
MEATH:
Seán Brennan
Donal Keogan, Adam O'Neill, Harry O'Higgins;
Ciarán Caulfield, Ross Ryan, Seán Coffey;
Ronan Jones, Daithí McGowan;
Shane Walsh, Eoghan Frayne, Cathal Hickey
Jordan Morris, Matthew Costello, James Conlon.
Subs: Billy Hogan, Cian McBride, Darragh Campion, Jack O'Connor, Ronan Ryan, Michael Murphy, Keith Curtis, Aaron Lynch, Ruairí Kinsella, Jason Scully, Seán Rafferty
WEXFORD:
Rory Tubritt;
Eoin Porter, Gavin Sheehan, Darragh Lyons;
Kevin O'Grady, Dylan Furlong, Glen Malone;
Liam Coleman, Niall Hughes;
Páraic Hughes, Eoghan Nolan, Mark Rossiter;
Graeme Cullen, Sean Nolan, Conor Kinsella.
Subs: Graham Staples, Liam O'Connor, Conor Carty, Shane Doyle, Cathal Walsh, Jonathon Bealin, Liam Doyle, Dean O'Toole, Tom Byrne, Shane Pettit, Ben Brosnan
CARLOW:
Johnny Furey;
Colin Byrne, Mark Furey, Dara Curran;
Mikey Bambrick, Conor Doyle, Shane Clarke;
John Murphy, Niall Hickey;
Aaron Amond, Colm Hulton, Conor Crowley,
Ross Dunphy, Jamie Clarke, Paddy McDonnell.
Subs: Ciaran Cunningham, Eric Molloy, Bryan McMahon, Josh Moore, Cormac Lomax, Shane Buggy, Kevin Murphy, Jamie Lunney, Cathal Kelly
How to fill 346 words about the Leinster fuball without mentioning the source of the problem
The key metric now is who can occupy the second final place
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0405/1441926-ciaran-whelans-provincial-championship-predictions/
LEINSTER
Who wants to play Dublin in Croke Park and get well beaten?
The Dubs' average winning margin in Leinster finals is 15 points. It's very low-key and it's a long way from the noughties when Kildare were winning Leinster championships, when Laois, in 2003 were winning, and then Westmeath a year later. Croke Park was rocking and buzzing, that's gone now.
Issues around who may drop into the Tailteann Cup keeps some sort of interest here. Whether it would be a good thing for Kildare to go into the Sam Maguire is questionable, this after the way they've been going.
And then you have Westmeath not guaranteed their spot.
Westmeath had the best defensive record in the league this year but they are not putting up big scores. They are very structured in their approach and have made themselves very difficult to beat.
Ger Brennan maintained Louth's position in Division 2 and with it a place in Sam Maguire
I was quite impressed with Louth during the league from the bits I saw of them. I think Ger Brennan has them moving very, very well and they have a couple of really good quality forwards. They are well organised and have a variety to their play in terms of their defensive set-up and pressing high up the field.
I would have it between Westmeath and Louth for a final spot. If Kildare come and do the same as they had done during the league, they'll have no chance.
I give Westmeath a narrow edge. Louth are already in the Sam Maguire; they have their position, so they could have one eye on that rather than going into another Leinster final against Dublin and suffering a tough day at the office like last year.
Westmeath have that need to secure their group position and will feel they are big enough and strong enough to be there. If Dessie Dolan gets the likes of Heslin [John], Wallace [Ronan] and Maguire [Kevin] back, I think they are the ones that will have the ambition to get to a final.
Quote from: seafoid on April 04, 2024, 04:39:09 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 04, 2024, 04:19:58 PMQuote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Anyone who thinks Leinster football is alive is deluded.
The fact that the head man in Leinster is in denial about the problem is the most concerning fact. How long before they pull their heads out of the sand? Do stadiums have to be empty before they take some action on this.
The other counties in Leinster clearly need help and not just financial. There needs to be some sort of audit on it to see what the likes of Meath, Kildare, Laois etc are doing wrong and propose solutions. Otherwise a load of time, money and other resources will be wasted trying to keep up with Dublin.
I honestly think at this stage no one in Meath County Board has an answer to the problem. There was a lad appointed to over see S&C for all county teams but he walked away after 2 years. All of last years back room team with the senior team has left. You have to wonder why after winning the Tailteann Cup with a young team they would all leave.
Quote from: thejuice on April 06, 2024, 06:14:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 04, 2024, 04:39:09 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 04, 2024, 04:19:58 PMQuote from: Londoner89 on April 04, 2024, 02:38:48 PMLeinster GAA chief says provincial football and hurling championships are 'alive and kicking' (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-gaa-chief-says-provincial-football-and-hurling-championships-are-alive-and-kicking/a96161641.html#:~:text=Leinster%20GAA%20chairperson%20Derek%20Kent,ahead%20of%20the%20eastern%20pack.)
Maybe hurling but he must be living in a different world to the rest of us when it comes to football. Take Dublin out and you'd have a competitive championship.
Dublin probably won't be beaten in Leinster until another one of the teams becomes established Division one team and that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
It's a race for 2nd place at the moment which gives you a 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland championship group stage. Meath might see themselves as the 2nd best but have got the short straw getting Dublin. Anyone of Kildare/Westmeath/Louth could reach the final making it interesting on that side of the draw.
Anyone who thinks Leinster football is alive is deluded.
The fact that the head man in Leinster is in denial about the problem is the most concerning fact. How long before they pull their heads out of the sand? Do stadiums have to be empty before they take some action on this.
The other counties in Leinster clearly need help and not just financial. There needs to be some sort of audit on it to see what the likes of Meath, Kildare, Laois etc are doing wrong and propose solutions. Otherwise a load of time, money and other resources will be wasted trying to keep up with Dublin.
I honestly think at this stage no one in Meath County Board has an answer to the problem. There was a lad appointed to over see S&C for all county teams but he walked away after 2 years. All of last years back room team with the senior team has left. You have to wonder why after winning the Tailteann Cup with a young team they would all leave.
Maybe they failed their end of year latin exam.
Something isn't right though and saying counties just need to shape up isn't enough. There needs to be a review across all of Leinster to understand what is needed to bring all counties up to a competitive level. Otherwise we're going to see decades slip by and we won't be any closer to solving the problem unless provincial competitions are done away with altogether. If provinces are to stay then this problem has to be solved by the GAA and the Leinster Council.
Leaving it up to the counties themselves isn't good enough and they aren't capable of saving themselves at this point.
Quote from: thejuice on April 06, 2024, 10:43:46 PMSomething isn't right though and saying counties just need to shape up isn't enough. There needs to be a review across all of Leinster to understand what is needed to bring all counties up to a competitive level. Otherwise we're going to see decades slip by and we won't be any closer to solving the problem unless provincial competitions are done away with altogether. If provinces are to stay then this problem has to be solved by the GAA and the Leinster Council.
Leaving it up to the counties themselves isn't good enough and they aren't capable of saving themselves at this point.
(Playing devils advocate Here)
Other than the Cash Cow that is Dublin why should the GAA care about how any county does? When Meath were winning AI's and Leinsters for fun nearly a quarter of a Century ago, did ye care about how anyone else was getting on? It's basically tough sh*t if you cannot get your house in order. What do you want special treatment in Leinster?
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 06, 2024, 11:41:16 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 06, 2024, 10:43:46 PMSomething isn't right though and saying counties just need to shape up isn't enough. There needs to be a review across all of Leinster to understand what is needed to bring all counties up to a competitive level. Otherwise we're going to see decades slip by and we won't be any closer to solving the problem unless provincial competitions are done away with altogether. If provinces are to stay then this problem has to be solved by the GAA and the Leinster Council.
Leaving it up to the counties themselves isn't good enough and they aren't capable of saving themselves at this point.
(Playing devils advocate Here)
Other than the Cash Cow that is Dublin why should the GAA care about how any county does? When Meath were winning AI's and Leinsters for fun nearly a quarter of a Century ago, did ye care about how anyone else was getting on? It's basically tough sh*t if you cannot get your house in order. What do you want special treatment in Leinster?
No one was saying Leinster was a dead competition then. It's not like we won 13 in a row ever. It was competitive in the 80, 90 and 00. Granted more could have been done then to help weaker counties but with the rise of Westmeath, Laois, Offaly it looked to be happening for a while.
And I'm not asking for special treatment for Meath alone I'm asking for this for all counties in Leinster. Otherwise it's going the way of the Connacht hurling championship.
As for getting our house in order, fine, we're all up for that but what does that statement actually involve? No one seems to know. That's why we need help as do so many other counties.
There never was a serious Connacht Hurling Championship.
There used to be a serious competitive Leinster Championship as recently as 2004.
I know, my point is it soon won't exist.
Even out of pure selfishness and money making the GAA and Leinster council would benefit from a competitive competition. Meath and Kildare used to almost fill Croke Park.
Now you won't half fill it on a double header without the Dubs. But the top man in Leinster seems to think it's fine the way it is.
Quote from: thejuice on April 07, 2024, 12:01:03 PMI know, my point is it soon won't exist.
Even out of pure selfishness and money making the GAA and Leinster council would benefit from a competitive competition. Meath and Kildare used to almost fill Croke Park.
Now you won't half fill it on a double header without the Dubs. But the top man in Leinster seems to think it's fine the way it is.
The Leinster football championship is not a championship. It is a procession. The Leinster football Championship is fake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5h0qHwNr
Meath 0-05
Longford 0-02
After 10 mins
Meath with a strong breeze behind them.
Meath 0-10
Longford 0-03
After 24 mins
Wexford going well v Carlow.
Have been keeping an eye on their results racking up big scores under the radar.
Are they building something there?
Half time
Meath 01:13 (16)
Longford 01:06 (9)
Second half 15:30 mins
Meath 01:17 (20)
Longford 01:08 (11)
Quote from: thejuice on April 07, 2024, 04:12:26 PMSecond half 15:30 mins
Meath 01:17 (20)
Longford 01:08 (11)
FT Meath 3-19 Longford 3-12
Conceding that much a concern for Meath before facing Dublin.
Wicklow 10 5 up against Westmeath with 20 to go. That would be a big upset.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 04:45:11 PMWicklow 10 5 up against Westmeath with 20 to go. That would be a big upset.
Had Wicklow a big wind? Be good to see.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 04:45:11 PMWicklow 10 5 up against Westmeath with 20 to go. That would be a big upset.
Westmeath will win it handy. Will be looking to peak against Kildare next weekend.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 07, 2024, 04:38:36 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 07, 2024, 04:12:26 PMSecond half 15:30 mins
Meath 01:17 (20)
Longford 01:08 (11)
FT Meath 3-19 Longford 3-12
Conceding that much a concern for Meath before facing Dublin.
Yeah. Not great defensively but we were well able to score and Conlon did well on his return. Costello coming off at halftime was a surprise but his form has dipped in the last few games.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 07, 2024, 04:52:43 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 04:45:11 PMWicklow 10 5 up against Westmeath with 20 to go. That would be a big upset.
Westmeath will win it handy. Will be looking to peak against Kildare next weekend.
Wicklow three up on 70 minutes. Five injury time.
Wicklow win by one! Oisin maybe be less grumpy on that podcast this week ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 05:04:02 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 07, 2024, 04:52:43 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 04:45:11 PMWicklow 10 5 up against Westmeath with 20 to go. That would be a big upset.
Westmeath will win it handy. Will be looking to peak against Kildare next weekend.
Wicklow three up on 70 minutes. Five injury time.
Wicklow win
It's a great idea to play the first round a week after the league finals.
Wicklow won 2-9 to 1-11!
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 05:08:01 PMWicklow win by one! Oisin maybe be less grumpy on that podcast this week ;D
Fine result for Wicklow.
At this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Dessie Dolan was complaining last week that playing Kildare would be their 5th game in 5 weeks. Won't have that issue now. ;D
Quote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
Or they could tighten up and start competing with Dublin. Derry can do it. Mayo did it for years.
Easy excuses.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 07:31:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
Or they could tighten up and start competing with Dublin. Derry can do it. Mayo did it for years.
Easy excuses.
If Derry went into Leinster they'd have MHKE Stockholm syndrome after a decade too. Meath and Kildare are serious football counties with a combined total of 11 times Derry's or Armagh's all Ireland tally. Meath are 5th in the roll of honour. Kildare are 9th. Derry and Armagh are joint 18th. Leinster used to produce a variety of all Ireland winners. The Leinster championshio used to be a great testing ground for emerging teams.
Mayo never beat financially doped Dublin in a final. Neither did Kerry.
If they get you asking the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers.
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:55:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 07:31:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
Or they could tighten up and start competing with Dublin. Derry can do it. Mayo did it for years.
Easy excuses.
If Derry went into Leinster they'd have MHKE Stockholm syndrome after a decade too. Meath and Kildare are serious football counties with a combined total of 11 times Derry's or Armagh's all Ireland tally. Meath are 5th in the roll of honour. Kildare are 9th. Derry and Armagh are joint 18th. Leinster used to produce a variety of all Ireland winners. The Leinster championshio used to be a great testing ground for emerging teams.
Mayo never beat financially doped Dublin in a final. Neither did Kerry.
If they get you asking the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers.
I don't think so in regards to Derry. Have improved to become top 4 championship team the last two years and won the Div 1 title last week. All fine talking about what they did in the past but its about the present time and until Meath,Kildare can improve be it league or championship one can't expect them to topple Dublin in Leinster.
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:55:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 07:31:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
Or they could tighten up and start competing with Dublin. Derry can do it. Mayo did it for years.
Easy excuses.
If Derry went into Leinster they'd have MHKE Stockholm syndrome after a decade too. Meath and Kildare are serious football counties with a combined total of 11 times Derry's or Armagh's all Ireland tally. Meath are 5th in the roll of honour. Kildare are 9th. Derry and Armagh are joint 18th. Leinster used to produce a variety of all Ireland winners. The Leinster championshio used to be a great testing ground for emerging teams.
Mayo never beat financially doped Dublin in a final. Neither did Kerry.
If they get you asking the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers.
Holy mo, rolling out the roll of honours list from decades ago, what does that have to do with 2024? They were serious football counties in the AI series, not at the moment, and not in the league either tbf. If they've given up, that's on them and no one else
Kildare won 3 Leinster SFCs in the last 90 or so years so hardly sleeping giants.
Meath with all their winning tradition up to the early years of the Century have fallen a long way.
Quote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
So if they are resigned to losing leinster, where are they going to get the belief / hope of winning Sam
Westmeath shouldn't have to play championship fball a week after a Division 3 final, It doesn't make sense that there not a 2 week gap from the finish of the league
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 07, 2024, 09:30:35 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
So if they are resigned to losing leinster, where are they going to get the belief / hope of winning Sam
Why bother even fielding if thats your attitude.
The Louth men seem to have the right attitude any time you hear them.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2024, 09:37:42 PMWestmeath shouldn't have to play championship fball a week after a Division 3 final, It doesn't make sense that there not a 2 week gap from the finish of the league
Agreed. Doesn't really excuse losing to Wicklow though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2024, 09:37:42 PMWestmeath shouldn't have to play championship fball a week after a Division 3 final, It doesn't make sense that there not a 2 week gap from the finish of the league
It's ridiculous
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 09:45:37 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2024, 09:37:42 PMWestmeath shouldn't have to play championship fball a week after a Division 3 final, It doesn't make sense that there not a 2 week gap from the finish of the league
It's ridiculous
Ridiculous? These are elite athletes. I don't understand how they'd need more than a week to be ready for a game.
It's a convenient excuse.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 09:55:35 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 09:45:37 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2024, 09:37:42 PMWestmeath shouldn't have to play championship fball a week after a Division 3 final, It doesn't make sense that there not a 2 week gap from the finish of the league
It's ridiculous
Ridiculous? These are elite athletes. I don't understand how they'd need more than a week to be ready for a game.
It's a convenient excuse.
It's not ideal but it really is blown out of proportion.
I imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 07, 2024, 09:00:47 PMKildare won 3 Leinster SFCs in the last 90 or so years so hardly sleeping giants.
Meath with all their winning tradition up to the early years of the Century have fallen a long way.
The last 2 Leinsters won they have 3/4 lads from outside the county to get them over over the line.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Depends,
Is the physical self inflicted?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
Meath would want to find a goalkeeper before they play Dublin.
Westmeath not much better. No point crying about fixtures if you can't defend high balls kicked in.
Be great to see Wicklow beat Kildare, not totally out of the question.
It seemed to me like W'Meath did not respect their opposition.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 10:23:28 PMMeath would want to find a goalkeeper before they play Dublin.
Westmeath not much better. No point crying about fixtures if you can't defend high balls kicked in.
Be great to see Wicklow beat Kildare, not totally out of the question.
Westmeath goalie poor on both goals.
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 10:23:28 PMMeath would want to find a goalkeeper before they play Dublin.
Westmeath not much better. No point crying about fixtures if you can't defend high balls kicked in.
Be great to see Wicklow beat Kildare, not totally out of the question.
Goalkeepers and defenders dealing with high balls in seem to be at all time low across the country at the moment.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
Exactly.. Players want to be playing games. The old craic of weeks and weeks between league and championship, then 1 provincial fixture / week with the mad training session / game ratio off the charts. It's much better now, for players, fans and clubs
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
4 matches in 4 weeks! Mad Ted!
Quote from: JoG2 on April 07, 2024, 11:28:11 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
4 matches in 4 weeks! Mad Ted!
Club players in Armagh will play 12 in 12 weeks now. Any I've spoke to are loving it.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 07, 2024, 11:28:11 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
4 matches in 4 weeks! Mad Ted!
Fine if it was 4 in 4 weeks for both teams Ted!
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:43:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 07, 2024, 11:28:11 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
4 matches in 4 weeks! Mad Ted!
Fine if it was 4 in 4 weeks for both teams Ted!
Get to bed Dougal! ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2024, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:43:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 07, 2024, 11:28:11 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
4 matches in 4 weeks! Mad Ted!
Fine if it was 4 in 4 weeks for both teams Ted!
Get to bed Dougal! ;D
Knock yourself out Jack if you wan't to ignore any fixture scheduling advantage.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 10:23:28 PMMeath would want to find a goalkeeper before they play Dublin.
Westmeath not much better. No point crying about fixtures if you can't defend high balls kicked in.
Be great to see Wicklow beat Kildare, not totally out of the question.
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The point is Meath have actually got two good goalkeepers in the hogan brothers. But Colm has set his face against that. Billy (the current 16) is still a bit young. But Harry has the experience and know how to be the number 1, not having a go at young Brennan he did well in TC last year. But this is different, imo we are putting the 3rd best keeper in county in as the no1. That's managements fault. Harry hogan to start v dubs has the long kick outs and is very comfortable under the high ball.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 08, 2024, 01:18:46 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 08, 2024, 12:00:06 AMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:43:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 07, 2024, 11:28:11 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on April 07, 2024, 11:21:32 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:27:44 PMQuote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2024, 10:19:51 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 07, 2024, 10:09:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 07, 2024, 10:04:21 PMI imagine the mental side of that is tougher than the physical.
Wicklow got relegated 2 weeks ago but yeah God help Westmeath and their mental turmoil of winning the league a week ago.
Give teams a few days to get over knocks and fatigue without going straight into a championship game, especially with teams playing week after week on heavy pitches.
Not everyone has a squad like a Derry or Dublin. Leitrim in the same boat today. You just will not get the best version of a team with a weeks break.
I don't agree with that. I think we've just been used to our season being dragged out all year and now it's not we're struggling to get used to it. Other physically demanding sports from tennis to rugby don't yap about a week turnaround. We've seen AI finals replayed in 6 days.
It's equal for both teams in that regard. Today was Westmeath's 4th match in 4 weeks while Wicklow had two weeks to prepare and without taking away from their win they certainly had a scheduling advantage.
4 matches in 4 weeks! Mad Ted!
Fine if it was 4 in 4 weeks for both teams Ted!
Get to bed Dougal! ;D
Knock yourself out Jack if you wan't to ignore any fixture scheduling advantage.
Ach wise up, they'll have also trained about 30 times in that 4 weeks and not a word about it.
Not a blind bit of difference will that extra week have made for Wicklow. In fact, in McConville's interview he said he lost players with injuries in between.
Mc Guinness complaining about the schedule also but Donegal, I think, had a free run at Meath, but Mc Brearty was played and got injured.
These managers want more time but at the same time, they'll be training away 3 or 4 times a week yet they'll complain about injuries and tight schedules.
I, as well as many others, see through that.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 07, 2024, 08:23:36 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:55:48 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2024, 07:31:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 07, 2024, 07:15:33 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 07, 2024, 05:26:05 PMAt this stage I think we should get Donald Duck to manage Meath. Colm so out of his depth it is unreal. No disrespect to Longford but to concede 3.12 is an absolute disgrace Dublin could inflict the biggest ever defeat on Meath. With the return of Jordan Morris and the best player not on Meath team last few years James Conlon we looked better upfront. But we are so so bad defensively it is unreal. I fear what will happen next weekend but worse still I fear what will happen to Meath going forward if we don't change management at end of championship.
Why should Meath be arsed about taking the Leinster football championship seriously? They can't win it and they need to focus on the Round Robin. Why should fans pay to see matches in the Dublin side of the Leinster championship ? Nobody who voted for the system at Congress did much forward thinking.
Or they could tighten up and start competing with Dublin. Derry can do it. Mayo did it for years.
Easy excuses.
If Derry went into Leinster they'd have MHKE Stockholm syndrome after a decade too. Meath and Kildare are serious football counties with a combined total of 11 times Derry's or Armagh's all Ireland tally. Meath are 5th in the roll of honour. Kildare are 9th. Derry and Armagh are joint 18th. Leinster used to produce a variety of all Ireland winners. The Leinster championshio used to be a great testing ground for emerging teams.
Mayo never beat financially doped Dublin in a final. Neither did Kerry.
If they get you asking the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers.
Holy mo, rolling out the roll of honours list from decades ago, what does that have to do with 2024? They were serious football counties in the AI series, not at the moment, and not in the league either tbf. If they've given up, that's on them and no one else
It's the system. Blaming the victims for what is wrong is geting it arseways.
Gaelic football is about Dublin and Kerry versus the rest.
If you don't like the honours list, how would you project your favourite team into the future ? Are they going to join Dublin and Kerry in the permanent Government or are they are going to rise and fall like everone else ?
This was last week
Westmeath manager Dessie Dolan questioned the GAA's fixtures scheduling after his side won the Allianz Football League Division 3 title, just eight days before they have to play a Leinster SFC quarter-final.
"It is hectic," Dolan told RTÉ Sport. "This is our third week in a row and we're playing Wicklow in the championship next week. It's hard to believe the championship is only a week away after a national final.
"The winners play the following weekend as well, so there's the possibility of five weeks in a row. It is extremely busy.
"It's difficult to get the lads regrouped and focused for match after match after match but that's what we have to do.
It'll be very interesting how wicklow go against Kildare. Kildare have really dropped off though you would expect would still be favourites.
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 11:31:50 AMThis was last week
Westmeath manager Dessie Dolan questioned the GAA's fixtures scheduling after his side won the Allianz Football League Division 3 title, just eight days before they have to play a Leinster SFC quarter-final.
"It is hectic," Dolan told RTÉ Sport. "This is our third week in a row and we're playing Wicklow in the championship next week. It's hard to believe the championship is only a week away after a national final.
"The winners play the following weekend as well, so there's the possibility of five weeks in a row. It is extremely busy.
"It's difficult to get the lads regrouped and focused for match after match after match but that's what we have to do.
Did Dessie not see the fixtures months ago and plan training etc accordingly?
He sounds like he only discovered the fixtures a week or 10 days ago!
Yeah like they only had a few months running the shite out of them and playing challenge games...but God forbid players would be expected to play games!!!
The whole rest issue is never managed properly by the GAA managers. Like I know soccer is pro, but the top teams play twice a week with massive table topping games and then European nights too.
These lads are getting grants and are talked of as eilte athletes.
I'm happier as a Kildare man playing Wicklow. I think we will lift it a bit, but there will be some tankings later in the summer...
I don't blame any manager complaining about the scheduling of games.
If done right there should be a two week gap between each championship game to prepare properly and most certainly shouldn't be a situation whereby one team is playing 4,5 consecutive weeks in a row while facing a team that hasn't played for a few weeks.
And it's not just provincial games the issue. All-Ireland Quarter finals scheduling needed adjusting after year one under this new format but weren't by HQ. We'll be be lucky to get one of those four games to be close competitive contest again.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2024, 11:53:16 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 08, 2024, 11:31:50 AMThis was last week
Westmeath manager Dessie Dolan questioned the GAA's fixtures scheduling after his side won the Allianz Football League Division 3 title, just eight days before they have to play a Leinster SFC quarter-final.
"It is hectic," Dolan told RTÉ Sport. "This is our third week in a row and we're playing Wicklow in the championship next week. It's hard to believe the championship is only a week away after a national final.
"The winners play the following weekend as well, so there's the possibility of five weeks in a row. It is extremely busy.
"It's difficult to get the lads regrouped and focused for match after match after match but that's what we have to do.
Did Dessie not see the fixtures months ago and plan training etc accordingly?
He sounds like he only discovered the fixtures a week or 10 days ago!
The players are amateurs. The GAA expects punters to pay to watch dead rubbers in Leinster and teams who are not ready . Climate change is also in the mix now. If cows can't be allowed out of sheds presumably matches will have to be called off as well.
I was talking to a butcher today who said that it is crazy. The hurling final on Saturday would have been called off in the past but there is no margin in the schedule.
Missed the game as I am over here in Texas chasing total eclipse.
Longford crowd was poor. We are losing our support. Need a grassroots campaign to get supporters back.
That said, I knew we had little hope agin Meath. But to score 3-12 on them has to worry O'Rourke. If we score 3-12 then Dubs could score 400-800 next week.
5 week break to Tailteann - could lose half the panel to God-knows-anything!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 08, 2024, 02:45:46 PMMissed the game as I am over here in Texas chasing total eclipse.
Longford crowd was poor. We are losing our support. Need a grassroots campaign to get supporters back.
That said, I knew we had little hope agin Meath. But to score 3-12 on them has to worry O'Rourke. If we score 3-12 then Dubs could score 400-800 next week.
5 week break to Tailteann - could lose half the panel to God-knows-anything!
Meath will get murdered if that is how we play v Dublin. Colm again goin on with the Latin bs. Set a team up properly for gods sake. At this stage I'd take a 20 point loss.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 08, 2024, 02:45:46 PMMissed the game as I am over here in Texas chasing total eclipse.
You could have stayed at home....no Sun seen in Longford all day today
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 08, 2024, 02:45:46 PMMissed the game as I am over here in Texas chasing total eclipse.
Longford crowd was poor. We are losing our support. Need a grassroots campaign to get supporters back.
That said, I knew we had little hope agin Meath. But to score 3-12 on them has to worry O'Rourke. If we score 3-12 then Dubs could score 400-800 next week.
5 week break to Tailteann - could lose half the panel to God-knows-anything!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo
Less a tha Seafoid. That song drove me mental back in the day!
We actually got to marvel at it. Clouds fecked off on time.
Next eclipse that's handy is in Northern Spain on 12 Aug 2026. Won't miss any matches for this.
Never before has Dublin been 1/50 to beat Meath. Colm has brought us back so much he's undone the foundations set in place by Andy and would rather give quotes in Latin than actually manage a team properly, he is blessed with some of the best players Meath have produced in over a decade. And is wasting it all. If Meath co board doesn't act at end of championship then is the supporters must vote with our feet.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on April 09, 2024, 08:52:18 AMNever before has Dublin been 1/50 to beat Meath. Colm has brought us back so much he's undone the foundations set in place by Andy and would rather give quotes in Latin than actually manage a team properly, he is blessed with some of the best players Meath have produced in over a decade. And is wasting it all. If Meath co board doesn't act at end of championship then is the supporters must vote with our feet.
I don't understand why Meath bother playing Dublin in Leinster. What is the point ? It isn't a match . It isn't sport Why don't they invalidate the match by playing with 16 players and hand the problem over to the Leinster council ? They are in the Sam Maguire anyway.
Blaming Meath misses the point. How can they win ? They can't . The GAA has destroyed its own competition.
In 6N, Italy were losers for years but due to the correct structures they made progress and won 2 matches this year. Compare their trajectory to that of the football teams in Leinster.
I couldn't find another example from elite level sport of a team winning 13 championships in a row . County championships don't count.
So what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 09:49:42 AMQuote from: Dunneroyal on April 09, 2024, 08:52:18 AMNever before has Dublin been 1/50 to beat Meath. Colm has brought us back so much he's undone the foundations set in place by Andy and would rather give quotes in Latin than actually manage a team properly, he is blessed with some of the best players Meath have produced in over a decade. And is wasting it all. If Meath co board doesn't act at end of championship then is the supporters must vote with our feet.
I don't understand why Meath bother playing Dublin in Leinster. What is the point ? It isn't a match . It isn't sport Why don't they invalidate the match by playing with 16 players and hand the problem over to the Leinster council ? They are in the Sam Maguire anyway.
Blaming Meath misses the point. How can they win ? They can't . The GAA has destroyed its own competition.
In 6N, Italy were losers for years but due to the correct structures they made progress and won 2 matches this year. Compare their trajectory to that of the football teams in Leinster.
I couldn't find another example from elite level sport of a team winning 13 championships in a row . County championships don't count.
Rosenborg won 13 Norwegian league tittles in a row from 1992-2004
Bayern are on 11 though Harry Kane has put an end to that ;D
Whatever about Dublin dominating Leinster (they are) surely a County like Meath with its tradition, population and economic advantages should at least be fielding as good or better teams than Monaghan, Ros etc.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2024, 10:15:15 AMWhatever about Dublin dominating Leinster (they are) surely a Cpunty like Meath with its tradition, population and economic advantages should at least be fielding as goid or better teams than Monaghan, Ros etc.
Dublins fault.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 09, 2024, 10:15:15 AMWhatever about Dublin dominating Leinster (they are) surely a Cpunty like Meath with its tradition, population and economic advantages should at least be fielding as goid or better teams than Monaghan, Ros etc.
Exactly - they have had the league and the back door and now the new championship (assuming they are in it). Kildare are like that too. The leinster championship ends with only one game a year - there's loads more games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 09:59:33 AMSo what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?
It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.
Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest. In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries.
I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.
Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt
Am I correct in saying Meath gave up home advantage as management want to play this game in Croke Park? I think that is not the correct move if so. Also that the game is on RTE?
The Dublin funding disparity and complete domination needs to be faced head on, unfortunately the likes of RTE, Leinster council and even Croke Park HQ are all on the Dublin train and refuse to tackle this issue head on. Not surprising when most of RTE and Croke Park HQ are involved in Dublin GAA clubs.
It's probably a wider issue in the country though, the complete domination of Dublin as the economy of the island and rest left to fend for the scraps, and being run into the ground. As the current government are finding out they looked the other way for too long.
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 11:35:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 09:59:33 AMSo what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?
It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.
Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest. In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries.
I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.
Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt
Other counties are nearing bankruptcy and supporters abandoning ship, meanwhile the Dublin are still getting massively more funding than nearly the rest combined
While Dublin are on a 13 in a row streak and it will probably continue for another couple of years surely the work that Kildare and Meath have done at underage football will ultimately bare fruit.
Kildare have three u20/21 Leinster winning sides (2018, 2022, 2023) while Meath have three Leinster minor winning sides (2018, 2020, 2021) in the last 6 years. With some of the talent already in these counties and with younger players with a taste for success filtering through you would be optimistic that the landscape in Leinster GAA football can change in the not too distant future.
In Kildare's case it might need a new management team and hitting the reset button in 2025 after seeing them in the league this year. O'Rourke deserves time-they easily maintained division 2 status and are coming off the back of winning the Tailteann Cup last year. 3-19 in windy conditions is serious shooting the last day against Longford. You would expect them to up their intensity considerable the next day against Dublin and for the defence to tighten up and be more tigerish in the tackle.
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 11:35:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 09:59:33 AMSo what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?
It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.
Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest. In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries.
I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.
Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt
Fixed how?
How come other counties are not a million miles of Dublin yet Leinster counties are?
(I think Kildare's management team is broken for a start and if they fix that it may help...)
13 in a row, try 18 in 19 years.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 11:52:40 AMQuote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 11:35:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 09:59:33 AMSo what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?
It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.
Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest. In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries.
I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.
Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt
Fixed how?
How come other counties are not a million miles of Dublin yet Leinster counties are?
(I think Kildare's management team is broken for a start and if they fix that it may help...)
When is the last time Dublin were beaten in the all Ireland final ?You don't need to be a million miles away. One point is consistently enough. A one point hammering. Ask Mayo or Kerry. As Dean Rock said he grew up dreaming of playing for Dublin and winning 6 in a row.
They are currently at 1 in a row(out of 3). What does it matter whether it was a final or not where they were beat?
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 11:35:49 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 09:59:33 AMSo what are you suggesting? Should there be a leinster championship without dublin or should there be no leinster championshipt?
It's broken so either it's dumped or it's fixed.
Dublin is out of control . The system worked as long as Dublin was disorganised. Sports often have this problem of a big population centre or financial centre that is disproportionate to the rest. In Rugby it's England and France. The solution is to give the 6 teams the same money allocation, not to give England and France the money raised in their countries.
I don't know exactly how US sport works in detail but they value competition very highly and have drafts to even out teams.
Something is going to have to be done with Dublin but until people demand change nothing will change. This is about power.
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt
American sports are as close as you're going to get in regards to fairness. The only thing holding teams like the Hawks or the Wizards back is bad front offices. Only thing I don't like about the NBA draft is that better teams have a chance to get higher picks than worse teams if they get lucky in the draft lottery. But everything else is fair. You don't see a team staying in championship contention for longer than a few years
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 12:44:55 PMThey are currently at 1 in a row(out of 3). What does it matter whether it was a final or not where they were beat?
Dublin are 9 out of 13.
It matters because they don't lose finals. They are 9 out of 9 in finals. If Derry get to the final to play Dublin they will lose just As Mayo, Tyrone and Kerry lost.
This is not about Derry.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/07/15/derry-scaled-heights-in-1993-when-savvy-boss-eamonn-coleman-made-the-difference/
"Enda Gormley remembers being struck by Coleman's implacable views on what would be good enough for Derry.".
He knew when they were ready because the standard was achievable.
Mickey Harte has already lost a final to the Dublin machine.
The problem is much bigger than why don't Meath and Kildare take the finger out.
The system was broken long before Dublin finished the 6 in a row.
They have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.
I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.
they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.
Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.
You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMThey have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.
I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.
they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.
Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.
You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?
Yes, and the players to return (or the missing players atm) are all well into their 30s, one well into his 40s. Croke Pk is a big, fast unforgiving place if you're not in peak (yeehaa) nick
Was the system broken by the tactics of the Teens?
I do find it Ironic that the man who contributed most to lateral football is commissioned with ridding us of it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMThey have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.
I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.
they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.
Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.
You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?
They will either have to subdivide Dublin or else spread Dublin players around other counties. The GAA doesn't have any solutions to this and it's not going to fix itself. It's like the sludge in Lough Neagh in that regard.
There or thereabouts isn't good enough. Maybe a few more Sams and people will see what is happening.
Quote from: seafoid on April 09, 2024, 09:31:54 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMThey have lost finals though not in a while but they've either played mayo or just been a better team.
I still firmly believe that in their 6 in a row if they'd played Mayo more in semi finals they would not have 6 in a row.
they beat Kerry last year because they were better than them, they beat Tyrone because they were better, they beat Mayo because Mayo aren't good in finals. kerry would have beat them two years ago in a final because they were better.
Also Fenton, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc will drop off and drop off soon.
You still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
I don't really know what you are looking here. Kick dublin out of the championship?
They will either have to subdivide Dublin or else spread Dublin players around other counties. The GAA doesn't have any solutions to this and it's not going to fix itself. It's like the sludge in Lough Neagh in that regard.
There or thereabouts isn't good enough. Maybe a few more Sams and people will see what is happening.
You've normally decent enough posts but Jesus Christ this has to be a wind up now.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMYou still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.
The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on April 09, 2024, 11:32:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMYou still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.
The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.
Bar the odd slip Kerry are regularly miles better than the rest in Munster although to a lesser extent than the Dubs. Weak excuse either way, no reason Meath shouldn't be a whole pile more competitive.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on April 09, 2024, 11:32:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMYou still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.
The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.
or maybe Ulster teams are just better?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 10, 2024, 08:53:01 AMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 09, 2024, 11:32:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMYou still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.
The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.
or maybe Ulster teams are just better?
From what I saw of Meath and Kildare against us in the league neither even play the same sport as Dublin. Woeful stuff.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 09, 2024, 11:40:31 PMQuote from: The Boy Wonder on April 09, 2024, 11:32:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2024, 06:08:44 PMYou still can't answer why Meath and Kildare are broken but not other teams who are much closer to dublin - i.e. Derry and Kerry and Tyrone when they get themselves in gear will be there or thereabouts.
Teams get a huge confidence boost by winning their provincial championship and are much more primed for a crack at the Dubs than Leinster counties who have been crushed by the Dubs for over a decade. The demoralising effect of Dublin's dominance in Leinster also has a knock-on effect in the League - the imbalance of Ulster v Leinster teams in Division 1 being the prime example.
The provincial system exacerbates the problem with Leinster football. The Ulster Championship is the model for a proper Provincial competition. Connacht has Mayo, Galway & Roscommon in regular contention. Munster has Kerry, Cork and at times Clare or Tipperary. If Kildare and Meath were in Connacht or Munster I would say they would be quite competitive and in the shake-up quite regularly.
Bar the odd slip Kerry are regularly miles better than the rest in Munster although to a lesser extent than the Dubs. Weak excuse either way, no reason Meath shouldn't be a whole pile more competitive.
It's all relative. Meath can keep the scoreboard looking ok for 20 minutes
Kerry are able to keep up with them for 72 minutes
The Sam Maguire can't be competitive if one team has lost just 4 matches in 13 years.
The argument appears every year as to why Meath and Kildare are not as competitive as Derry, Roscommon etc etc. The likes of Derry and Roscommon have a realistic chance of a provincial title. Meath and Kildare have zero chance and have not had a chance for several years. Eventually that demoralises a county and things eventually stagnate and fall away.
The Leinster Championship is a joke. The GAA have destroyed it and the attendances reflect that.
Meath lost by 6 in 21. After two total wrong penalty calls. One that was given to Dublin that should not have been. Another that wasn't given to Meath. Also we ran them close in league. So we had made progress but then the cb for political reasons decided to vote out that management even though clubs rejected that it totally destroyed the year. They then but in their own man with the "expenses" going from 25k for last management to a whopping 125k for last year. And huge decline in performances. We have had every excuse from young team to sigerson and everything in between. Meath have not only the players to compete with Dublin (not saying we'd beat them) but competitive for 70 minutes. And indeed to beat the likes of Roscommon, Armagh , Galway and Mayo. The problem is we don't have the sideline who'd rather give nonsense quotes in Latin talk absolute rubbish and look for every excuse under the sun for his own shortcomings.
No Brian Fenton for Dublin this weekend as they were unsuccessful in their appeal on his red card in the league final
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 10, 2024, 02:29:21 PMNo Brian Fenton for Dublin this weekend as they were unsuccessful in their appeal on his red card in the league final
Imagine Meath caught them.
(Yeah right)
Camogie is an example of a system that works. Maybe the GAA could look into it.
Cork, Kilkenny and Galway have won the last 3 all Irelands. Tá Tipp and Waterford ag teacht. 5 competitive teams. Skill levels are high and matches are exciting.
"Tipp have beaten us in our last 2 matches. They have strong players all over the field and we're going to have to have our best performance of the league to beat them" Cathal Murray told Tuam Herald Sport
I am old enough to remember when leinster football used to be like that.
#JaysusChrisht
Meath need a Malachy O'Rourke type figure to come in and straighten them out.
1996 to 2005 was the last competitive decade for Leinster football championship. Titles won by Meath 3,Dublin 2,Kildare 2,Westmeath 1,Offaly 1,Laois 1.
The last three years U20 Leinster championships was won by Kildare 2,Offaly 1 and since U17 was introduced in 2017 Leinster has been won by Meath 4, Dublin 2,Kildare 1 so there is the potential to get a different name to Delaney Cup in the years ahead. For now it's a case of who will be 2nd best in Leinster and will grab the 2nd seed spot in the All Ireland group stage.
Biffs giving Laois a good batin'°
Quote from: Rossfan on April 13, 2024, 08:29:37 PMBiffs giving Laois a good batin'°
First win over Laois since 2002. A good win for Offaly 2-13 to 1-8 in a match that was expected to be a close competitive contest. Laois hopes not helped going down to 14 men.
Wicklow fairly butchered that!!!
A missed free form the 21 and then then the young lad trying the goal from far out he could easily have carried that in and made sure.
They'll be sick.
'Butchered' is an understatement.
Kildare was four points up heading into injury time and foolishly gave the ball away to allow Wicklow to level it up with a penalty. After that Wicklow against 13 men did butcher it, should have taken their point instead of going for goal?
Wexford look pretty good here. Four up.
Cluxton starting for the Dubs made his championship debut 23 years ago.
I remember going to these games in the 90's and it was a full house, we not ever half full the day. Plus attendances in general well down.Gotta be due to a early championship start.
I would say Wexford Louth will be a better watch. Louth one up at half time with the wind in their favour second half. They scored the last 1-3 of the half.
C'mon Meath!! They've started well.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2024, 04:33:27 PMI remember going to these games in the 90's and it was a full house, we not ever half full the day. Plus attendances in general well down.Gotta be due to a early championship start.
Was competitive then.. Dublin, Meath, Kildare.. plus every match seems to be televised now. Agree with you on early start though, went ott on that.
It's been a good opening 17 minutes for Meath and find themselves level 0-3 each.
Half time in the other game with Louth leading 1-6 to 0-8. It was 0-8 to 0-4 to Wexford 28 minutes played.
Good goal if you dont count the steps :-X
Another 10 step goal.
Just the 47 steps
He took an awful lot of steps for the goal but the referee gave him the benefit of the doubt says Thomas o se
Meath full of endeavour and a decent plan but their execution at times is shocking.
Losing the ball from simple solos and hand passes isn't going to go unpunished for too long against the Dubs.
Have never seen Cluxton as poor from kickouts he's been completely rattled this half!
Half time Dublin 1-8 Meath 0-6. Hopefully Meath can keep the contest as competitive as possible 2nd half but with Dublin strength,conditioning and better bench options it will be uphill task.
Cagey game but feels like If Dublin get their game together we're in trouble
Quote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 05:14:11 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 05:07:53 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 05:05:10 PMHave never seen Cluxton as poor from kickouts he's been completely rattled this half!
[/quoteQuote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 05:05:10 PMHave never seen Cluxton as poor from kickouts he's been completely rattled this half!
He was worse against Kildare and Louth in Leinster championship last year.
RTÉ first half stats.
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21,000 at this game. Leinster Championship is alive and kicking.
Croker will be full for Leinster vs Northampton though. Nothing to worry about lads.
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 05:22:35 PM21,000 at this game. Leinster Championship is alive and kicking.
Croker will be full for Leinster vs Northampton though. Nothing to worry about lads.
Will be full for the many concerts Croke Park will be hosting this summer and wouldn't be able to host as many without the Inter county season finishing up so soon nowadays.
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 05:22:35 PM21,000 at this game. Leinster Championship is alive and kicking.
Croker will be full for Leinster vs Northampton though. Nothing to worry about lads.
I'm sure a few hung around after the Camogie as well?
Creditable performance from Meath they caused the Dubs bother in certain areas but haven't got the players to compete properly with them. It will still be well over double digits at the end.
2nd goal for Dublin 2-16 to 0-11 and Hill16 has found it's voice.
Dublin 13 up and i thought they played poor enough.
Is it ok with everyone else if we start taking PED.
Honestly, I don't know what we have to do.
Handicap betting was Dublin by 12 and they win by a margin of 16 Dublin 3-19 Meath 0-12
Quote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 05:14:30 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 05:14:11 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 14, 2024, 05:07:53 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 05:05:10 PMHave never seen Cluxton as poor from kickouts he's been completely rattled this half!
[/quoteQuote from: screenexile on April 14, 2024, 05:05:10 PMHave never seen Cluxton as poor from kickouts he's been completely rattled this half!
He was worse against Kildare and Louth in Leinster championship last year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2024, 04:32:22 PMCluxton starting for the Dubs made his championship debut 23 years ago.
Cluxton 120th Championship appearance today and 100th Championship win.
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 06:03:40 PMIs it ok with everyone else if we start taking PED.
Honestly, I don't know what we have to do.
I'll start, what's PED?
Performance Enhancing Drugs.
Tactically we did nothing wrong. There was a lot of positives but there seems to be a gap in terms of strength and conditioning.
Things to think about today.- Why was this a home game for Dublin? Don't tell me that crowd would not fit into Tailteann Park or some other venue in Leinster?
- Today was Cluxtons first game for Dublin this year. Bear that in mind when looking at his performance.
- Dublin did not have Fenton in Midfield. And still coped.
- Why are forwards never pulled for over-carrying when a goal is scored.
- Why do we not have a B Leinster Championship without Dublin. The winners of that could play Dublin in the A Leinster Final. They would also enter the AI Championship on merit.
- Why was this game shown on Television?
- Should the winners of the Tailteann Cup automatically go into the AI Championship?
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 06:03:40 PMIs it ok with everyone else if we start taking PED.
Honestly, I don't know what we have to do.
There are several problems now that cannot be fixed without breaking something. Dublin's hegemony comes into this category. It is mot going to fix itself.
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 05:22:35 PM21,000 at this game. Leinster Championship is alive and kicking.
Many in Portlaoise yesterday and today?
The one game that might have filled Portlaoise played in Croke Park.
The other Counties should surely have home and away arrangements so that 1 set of supporters wouldn't have to travel.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2024, 07:38:10 PMQuote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 05:22:35 PM21,000 at this game. Leinster Championship is alive and kicking.
Many in Portlaoise yesterday and today?
The one game that might have filled Portlaoise played in Croke Park.
The other Counties should surely have home and away arrangements so that 1 set of supporters wouldn't have to travel.
Home and away is only a thing in mini provinces.
We all know the Leinster championship has not always been fair or competitive.
But this is the roll of Honour since 2005
Dublin (18) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
Meath (1) 2010 and that was an unholy mess.
Two decades of this dominance, and it will only continue.....
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2024, 10:16:52 PMWe all know the Leinster championship has not always been fair or competitive.
But this is the roll of Honour since 2005
Dublin (18) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
Meath (1) 2010 and that was an unholy mess.
Two decades of this dominance, and it will only continue.....
what odds that Dublin win the next 10, or 20?
Paul Flynn says the likes of Meath and Kildare more or less need to get the finger out if they want to be competitive ::)
Aye and a few million quid!
But nobody seemed to address that bit on TSG
Quote from: armaghniac on April 14, 2024, 10:22:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2024, 10:16:52 PMWe all know the Leinster championship has not always been fair or competitive.
But this is the roll of Honour since 2005
Dublin (18) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
Meath (1) 2010 and that was an unholy mess.
Two decades of this dominance, and it will only continue.....
what odds that Dublin win the next 10, or 20?
There is nothing coming. Kildare had a burst in 2017, They scored 1-17 in the Leinster Final v the Dubs. But still lost by 9 points.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 14, 2024, 10:25:07 PMPaul Flynn says the likes of Meath and Kildare more or less need to get the finger out if they want to be competitive ::)
Aye and a few million quid!
But nobody seemed to address that bit on TSG
No body addresses that in newspapers, radio, other TV stations and so on. Because Dublin have more than a quarter of the population. You don't want to affect that when it comes to sponsors and advertisers. Plus corporate boxes and other money making outlets have to be kept onside.
Dublin playing all their important games in Croke Park is as logical as Music promoters holding concerts in Dublin, rather than anywhere else in the country, Dublin is where the mass density of people are.
I know Dublin supporters who have never seen Dublin play a game outside of Croke Park.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 14, 2024, 10:25:07 PMPaul Flynn says the likes of Meath and Kildare more or less need to get the finger out if they want to be competitive ::)
Aye and a few million quid!
But nobody seemed to address that bit on TSG
Are we back to the "lazy volunteers" argument again....?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 14, 2024, 10:25:07 PMPaul Flynn says the likes of Meath and Kildare more or less need to get the finger out if they want to be competitive ::)
Aye and a few million quid!
But nobody seemed to address that bit on TSG
The Derry county board is notoriously tight fisted, yet have managed to navigate a path to competitiveness.
Meath and Kildare have no excuses for failing to put up a fight to Dublin.
They have more than adequate playing populations, I imagine in the top 10 at worst?
They have facilities aplenty and aren't faced with the issues that many counties have trying to get players down from Dublin for training.
So even if that argument around funds being pumped into Dublin creating this situation had some validity (it doesn't in my experience), it still would not account for the inability of another Leinster team to field 15 players able to compete with 15 dubs at senior level every once in a while.....
Dublin would probably beat a rest of leinster team
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 06:58:10 PMPerformance Enhancing Drugs.
Tactically we did nothing wrong. There was a lot of positives but there seems to be a gap in terms of strength and conditioning.
Your players kept making unforced errors, continually hand-passing and kicking the ball to Dublin players when under zero pressure, absolutely nothing to do with S&C.
It was clear they did not believe they could beat Dublin. Until that mindset changes they [and the other leinster teams] will stay in the same place.
Leinster is broken. The millions that the Gaa pumped into Dublin is now coming back to bite them in the ass. 21000 at Dublin/Meath game is pathetic. I don't feel one bit sorry for them. In fact I'm delighted fans have decided to vote with their feet.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 15, 2024, 09:59:16 AMQuote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 06:58:10 PMPerformance Enhancing Drugs.
Tactically we did nothing wrong. There was a lot of positives but there seems to be a gap in terms of strength and conditioning.
Your players kept making unforced errors, continually hand-passing and kicking the ball to Dublin players when under zero pressure, absolutely nothing to do with S&C.
It was clear they did not believe they could beat Dublin. Until that mindset changes they [and the other leinster teams] will stay in the same place.
Disagree. Our players were running out of steam by the end they looked like they could play for another 20 minutes.
Mistakes were made as we got tired. Unless you're a mind reader you can't claim to know the mindset of players. I'm sick of bluffers spouting this shite like they were in the dressing room and all week at training.
It's not mindset. It's coaching. And we've been doing it wrong for about 10 years. These lads have beaten Dublin at Minor and U20's and have Siegerson medals.
Once we get to senior there's a drop off and our promising players development plateaus. It's 100% coaching and S&C.
Quote from: onefineday on April 15, 2024, 12:52:58 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 14, 2024, 10:25:07 PMPaul Flynn says the likes of Meath and Kildare more or less need to get the finger out if they want to be competitive ::)
Aye and a few million quid!
But nobody seemed to address that bit on TSG
The Derry county board is notoriously tight fisted, yet have managed to navigate a path to competitiveness.
Meath and Kildare have no excuses for failing to put up a fight to Dublin.
They have more than adequate playing populations, I imagine in the top 10 at worst?
They have facilities aplenty and aren't faced with the issues that many counties have trying to get players down from Dublin for training.
So even if that argument around funds being pumped into Dublin creating this situation had some validity (it doesn't in my experience), it still would not account for the inability of another Leinster team to field 15 players able to compete with 15 dubs at senior level every once in a while.....
That's not quite a fair comparison.
Derry are competitive now for about 3 seasons - for the previous 25 we were not.
It might just be a purple patch....it'll be 10 years before we know what the landscape of Derry football is really like. We've had a perfect storm of restructuring at CB level, 2/3 exceptional club teams in Slaughtneil, Glen and Magherafelt and a string of strong county minor teams - this didn't happen overnight. Realistically it'll take 10 years for any of the Leinster teams to hit the heights again if they are only starting today. In the noughties when Tyrone/Armagh were lording it in Ulster - Derry were one of the top spenders and it didn't bring success.
It requires the right underage structures and CB structures and funding - and proper governance of that funding so that it's spent on the right things.
It requires players at the top level (which I think Meath actually have - Kildare not so much) and a management team that can focus the players and devise a game plan that works for the players available.
Before Rory Gallagher came into Derry, we were not on the landscape - Meath/Kildare need a Rory Gallagher drive them.
For what it's worth, I thought Meath were decent in the first half until the goal went in, then heads dropped a bit.
They got plenty of turnovers, and frustrated Dublin. They struggled making the right decision in attack. But they looked better than the last time I watched them, so perhaps progress despite the result? Dublin just wore them down I think.
How do we make provinces competitive again - maybe put a spending cap on county boards to level the playing field?
Ulster works (unless you are Antrim/Fermanagh and to a lesser extent Cavan) - what do they do in Ulster that they don't in other provinces?
The complaint used to be it was unfair on teams that they only had one chance and the year could be over, so the back door came in. Then super 8s. Now another iteration with people saying if you want to win an AI it might be better to not contest the provincials and with uncompetitive nature of 3/4 of the provincials there's a call to scrap them. If the the old system was returned, with only provincial winners getting through to AISFs, it adds weight to the provincials, declutters the calendar and 9 times out of 10 the top teams win. The weaker teams are not progressing in the current setup anyway - so why bother with the seeding etc?
What I'm getting at is that there's no perfect solution. Keep messing with structures, the problems just move around. The real question is why are so many counties not progressing or improving? Improve individual counties and the quality of championships improve.
The question of footfall falling is a combination of issues on the inevitability of some games and the costs. With the increased number of games, the cost for a family to attend is pricing many out of it. It doesn't matter if its value for money or not, the cost is still the cost.
Quote from: thejuice on April 15, 2024, 11:15:01 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on April 15, 2024, 09:59:16 AMQuote from: thejuice on April 14, 2024, 06:58:10 PMPerformance Enhancing Drugs.
Tactically we did nothing wrong. There was a lot of positives but there seems to be a gap in terms of strength and conditioning.
Your players kept making unforced errors, continually hand-passing and kicking the ball to Dublin players when under zero pressure, absolutely nothing to do with S&C.
It was clear they did not believe they could beat Dublin. Until that mindset changes they [and the other leinster teams] will stay in the same place.
Disagree. Our players were running out of steam by the end they looked like they could play for another 20 minutes.
Mistakes were made as we got tired. Unless you're a mind reader you can't claim to know the mindset of players. I'm sick of bluffers spouting this shite like they were in the dressing room and all week at training.
It's not mindset. It's coaching. And we've been doing it wrong for about 10 years. These lads have beaten Dublin at Minor and U20's and have Siegerson medals.
Once we get to senior there's a drop off and our promising players development plateaus. It's 100% coaching and S&C.
Ach come on man, yous gave the ball away under zero pressure a dozen times in the first half and kicked 3 or 4 good point chances into their keepers hands.
The first thing good coaching does is establish the right mindset.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 15, 2024, 03:04:23 PMAch come on man, yous gave the ball away under zero pressure a dozen times in the first half and kicked 3 or 4 good point chances into their keepers hands.
The first thing good coaching does is establish the right mindset.
Ok. So tell me what mindset Andy McEntee and Colm O'Rourke have given our players? Are they telling them they can't win? Are they telling them it doesn't matter if we lose? Of course not. Don't be thick.
As I said these lad have been winners coming up through the minor ranks. Do you think Keoghan is still playing over a 100 games for the county for a bit of craic?
I bet the stuff the Meath lads are hearing in training in terms of mindset etc is no different than any other county. Why would it be any different?
And saying there's no pressure is nonsense. There's pressure on every ball and pass in that game because possession is key.
If you know any thing about it it's because the people in charge of Meath football don't know what they're doing. They put good things in place and then let it fall apart.
Dublin have a full time S&C professional overseeing that from U14 right to senior who was working with Leinster rugby previously. We've had 2 people in to do a similar job who stuck around for about 2 years each and then quit.
It's not the players mindsets, it's not Colm O'Rourke, it's the mindset perhaps of the county board and their small mindedness.
Quote from: thejuice on April 15, 2024, 10:39:45 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on April 15, 2024, 03:04:23 PMAch come on man, yous gave the ball away under zero pressure a dozen times in the first half and kicked 3 or 4 good point chances into their keepers hands.
The first thing good coaching does is establish the right mindset.
Ok. So tell me what mindset Andy McEntee and Colm O'Rourke have given our players? Are they telling them they can't win? Are they telling them it doesn't matter if we lose? Of course not. Don't be thick.
As I said these lad have been winners coming up through the minor ranks. Do you think Keoghan is still playing over a 100 games for the county for a bit of craic?
I bet the stuff the Meath lads are hearing in training in terms of mindset etc is no different than any other county. Why would it be any different?
And saying there's no pressure is nonsense. There's pressure on every ball and pass in that game because possession is key.
If you know any thing about it it's because the people in charge of Meath football don't know what they're doing. They put good things in place and then let it fall apart.
Dublin have a full time S&C professional overseeing that from U14 right to senior who was working with Leinster rugby previously. We've had 2 people in to do a similar job who stuck around for about 2 years each and then quit.
It's not the players mindsets, it's not Colm O'Rourke, it's the mindset perhaps of the county board and their small mindedness.
Do Meath not? The vast majority of Ulster counties would be putting s&c coaches in place for the underage development squads.
Look for all the greatness of Colm he is not a county manager that's where we start. Was Andy ? Yes. He had a cv backing that up with the minors. (You don't always need that) he has done well with Antrim with limited players, he won the Dublin , Leinster and all ire club titles. And he got an average Meath team to div 1, and super 8s. Did he make mistakes? Absolutely. Was he a abrasive person? yes.
Colm is generally a nice guy, comes across has a harmless man bit like the drunk uncle at a wedding. Quote Latin etc. great with kids. But these are top level athletes, he has better players to chose from than any manager since 2010. He'd be grand as the face and voice of Meath football in management if he had the right people behind him ie top level coaches. If frayne Conlon and Morris were in majority of other top level counties they'd be stars. Who in their right mind lets outfield players kick high ball into players the size of Conlon. That we did over and over again on Sunday. And to stand on sidelines and let that continue is criminal.
I believe that majority of this Meath panel will not only beat dubs over next 5 years but also win Leinster and challenge for Sam. IF we put the right people in charge. The right people might not be those who we all know and loved growing up ie Colm Trevor and of course the living legend that is Sean. I personally believe that a trio of Cathal O'Bric (minor all ire winning manager) current u20, along with Marcus Brennan and Connor Gillespie is the future of Meath. The review at years end MUST thank Colm for his efforts and say best wishes going forward, I'm sure he can return to RTÉ but for the sake of a talented bunch of players and Meath football as a whole. We need this change. Another year will likely do untold damage. Enough
Quote from: thejuice on April 15, 2024, 10:39:45 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on April 15, 2024, 03:04:23 PMAch come on man, yous gave the ball away under zero pressure a dozen times in the first half and kicked 3 or 4 good point chances into their keepers hands.
The first thing good coaching does is establish the right mindset.
Ok. So tell me what mindset Andy McEntee and Colm O'Rourke have given our players? Are they telling them they can't win? Are they telling them it doesn't matter if we lose? Of course not. Don't be thick.
As I said these lad have been winners coming up through the minor ranks. Do you think Keoghan is still playing over a 100 games for the county for a bit of craic?
I bet the stuff the Meath lads are hearing in training in terms of mindset etc is no different than any other county. Why would it be any different?
And saying there's no pressure is nonsense. There's pressure on every ball and pass in that game because possession is key.
If you know any thing about it it's because the people in charge of Meath football don't know what they're doing. They put good things in place and then let it fall apart.
Dublin have a full time S&C professional overseeing that from U14 right to senior who was working with Leinster rugby previously. We've had 2 people in to do a similar job who stuck around for about 2 years each and then quit.
It's not the players mindsets, it's not Colm O'Rourke, it's the mindset perhaps of the county board and their small mindedness.
Doesn't do much for your argument when you have to resort to abuse.
And to be honest your argument is as limp as some of the Meath shooting, as it appears you are agreeing with me that there is a mindset issue but that it originates at County board level not with the coaches or players.
Would it be worth rotating Dublin through the other provinces every year? Give the Leinster teams a chance and give Kerry a kick in the hole every few years?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 02:33:01 PMWould it be worth rotating Dublin through the other provinces every year? Give the Leinster teams a chance and give Kerry a kick in the hole every few years?
It wouldn't solve the All Ireland problem.
There is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
Meath and Kildare should be at least around the level of a Roscommon/Monaghan. Dublin being great is not an excuse for them being shite.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 05:41:28 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
Meath and Kildare should be at least around the level of a Roscommon/Monaghan. Dublin being great is not an excuse for them being shite.
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Somewhat agree. Meath under mcentee we're around Roscommon and Monaghan (drew with Monaghan in league ) lost by 4 to Dublin and only for a complete howler from gk had mayo beat.
What has happened since hasn't helped
What do you mean by what has happened since?
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 16, 2024, 08:49:14 PMWhat do you mean by what has happened since?
O'Rourke I take it? Someone had a good post up yesterday about him.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 05:41:28 PMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
Meath and Kildare should be at least around the level of a Roscommon/Monaghan. Dublin being great is not an excuse for them being shite.
Kildare and Meath are the 4th and 5th most populated counties in the south, they have populations which are 3 times larger than Monaghan and Roscommon. There is no obvious excuse as to why Dublin are going for 14 provincial titles in a row.
And despite what someone else said about how they'd dominate any province, I really don't think that would have been the case in any of the other three provinces if they'd been magically dropped in!
They'd have dominated the last decade in any province certainly, but they'd have lost games too.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:52:07 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 16, 2024, 08:49:14 PMWhat do you mean by what has happened since?
O'Rourke I take it? Someone had a good post up yesterday about him.
yep.
Look I idolised him as a player but he just hasn't worked out, he had the rift with McGill (Meath poty) and he hasn't played since, James mcentee motm v Down (round robin) in tc gone , Shane mcentee, gone, harnan gone , young Flynn motm in tc final gone, Danny Dixon gone I could go on. But it's not only that. Cb cut legs from under mcentee in last year too by voting against him continuing. Last year we had eivers (Donegal all ire winning coach under mcguinness)and garrigan (Meath ladies all Ireland winning coach) involved but apparently they were unhappy with level of their input both were dismissed this year. Eivers left navan and straight back to Donegal where he is doing a great job. Garrigan was given something by Meath co board. We were promised a top level coach. We didn't get one. We did include Trevor Giles a fantastic player but not much experience on the coaching end of things.
So my point is that what has happened since hasn't improved us if anything we have regressed.
Ah thanks. Fwiw as an Antrim man I would speak highly of mcentee. He has brought a professionalism to the Antrim setup. We still aren't a big team by any stretch but he's definitely done good things imo. He has his detractors with not letting players go for club games but I think that is par for the course for county managers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 17, 2024, 08:36:24 AMAh thanks. Fwiw as an Antrim man I would speak highly of mcentee. He has brought a professionalism to the Antrim setup. We still aren't a big team by any stretch but he's definitely done good things imo. He has his detractors with not letting players go for club games but I think that is par for the course for county managers.
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No problem. Yeah Andy can be a bit rough. But players genuinely want to play for him.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
It does create a bad vibe. And you can't just switch that on or off for league football.
When people argued that Dublin benefitted from financial advantages 5 years back we were told that it was a once in a life time team. That we should laud them while they are here. How does that argument stack up now?
Quote from: mup on April 19, 2024, 10:03:28 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
It does create a bad vibe. And you can't just switch that on or off for league football.
When people argued that Dublin benefitted from financial advantages 5 years back we were told that it was a once in a life time team. That we should laud them while they are here. How does that argument stack up now?
Are they that far ahead? A Monaghan team on its last legs ran then close last year, a Kerry team thats good but nothing special ran them close in the final with their main man having an off day. Derry drew with them in the league final. Outside the old guard they are a very good but not unbelievable side.
I can honestly say that Kildare people give out about Dublin getting money, but many will admit that we wouldn't spend it well even if theyt threw millions at us.
Like all the money kicking around in 98-2000 and we had the absoilute worst grounds in the country. We did build a centre of excellence eventually.
Then we see that Conleths is finally getting done up, but there are images where some seats will have near zero visibility of the pitch! I hope that's wrong...
Also Kildare chat highlights the lack of quality pundits. They know some names like Dan Flynn and then say we have good players, but iof they watched any of our games you'd know he has been unfit for 2 years and playing poorly.
Like Louth are no great shakes and Ger Brennan was a bad club manager in Kildare, so the Dubs being what they are does not excuse us losing to them.
Quote from: mup on April 19, 2024, 10:03:28 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
It does create a bad vibe. And you can't just switch that on or off for league football.
When people argued that Dublin benefitted from financial advantages 5 years back we were told that it was a once in a life time team. That we should laud them while they are here. How does that argument stack up now?
I'd say it stacks up pretty well. They weren't winning All-Irelands during the time Cluxton, McCaffrey and Manion were on hiatus. All of those three, along with Fitzsimons and McCarthy will be gone soon enough.
The Dublin Dominance is not just the players, it's the constant of playing at home for the Championship in Croke Park. Players getting up in their own beds, short travel to game, familiarity with the ground-staff, Familiarity of Dressing room, Familiarity of the pitch, Crowd influencing Referee decisions, Superior Crowd getting behind the players, the Hill, the Songs being played before the Match and at half time over the PA, the PA announcer, Familiarity of Match day rituals of Croke Park. The list goes on.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2024, 10:38:38 AMQuote from: mup on April 19, 2024, 10:03:28 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
It does create a bad vibe. And you can't just switch that on or off for league football.
When people argued that Dublin benefitted from financial advantages 5 years back we were told that it was a once in a life time team. That we should laud them while they are here. How does that argument stack up now?
Are they that far ahead? A Monaghan team on its last legs ran then close last year, a Kerry team thats good but nothing special ran them close in the final with their main man having an off day. Derry drew with them in the league final. Outside the old guard they are a very good but not unbelievable side.
Derry beat them in the league final
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2024, 06:38:12 PMDerry beat them in the league final
They beat them in the penalty shootout, they drew the game.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 20, 2024, 07:27:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 20, 2024, 06:38:12 PMDerry beat them in the league final
They beat them in the penalty shootout, they drew the game.
They won the match. They beat them
Aw who really cares. You know exactly what I'm saying
I have a problem with who sponsors a team having an input into who manages the team. I find that worrying, I know it's gone on for years and years. But it's very worrying. Look at cork and Sligo this weekend. Meath can't do that. Why ? If we draw say Kerry and Galway in championship they will hammer us. We need a total wipeout of every delegate and official at cb and at management. Start all over. That's our only hope
Dublin have won 9 All-Irelands and 16 Leinster titles since they last met Offaly in the championship. (2007)
Teams named for the two semi finals.
DUBLIN:
Stephen Cluxton;
Seán MacMahon, Michael Fitzsimons, Eoin Murchan;
Brian Howard, John Small, Cian Murphy;
Brian Fenton, Tom Lahiff;
Ross McGarry, Ciaran Kilkenny, Niall Scully;
Paul Mannion, Con O'Callaghan, Colm Basquel.
Subs: David O'Hanlon, Seán Bugler, Theo Clancy, Cormac Costello, James McCarthy, Killian McGinnis, Daire Newcombe, Peadar Ó Cofaigh Byrne, Lorcan O'Dell, Killian O'Gara, Paddy Small
OFFALY:
Ian Duffy;
Lee Pearson, David Dempsey, John Furlong;
Cormac Egan, Declan Hogan, Peter Cunningham;
Eoin Carroll, Jack McEvoy;
Dylan Hyland, Ruairi McNamee, Jordan Hayes;
Nathan Poland, Keith O'Neill, Jack Bryant.
Subs: Mikey Cunningham, Diarmuid Finneran, Jack O'Brien, Daire McDaid, Rory Egan, Cathal Flynn, Kevin McDermott, Dan Molloy, Nigel Dunne, Cian Farrell, Cathal Donoghue
KILDARE:
Mark Donnellan;
Ryan Burke, Shea Ryan, Mick O'Grady;
Jack Sargent, Eoin Doyle, Paddy McDermott;
Aaron Masterson, Alex Beirne;
Paddy Woodgate, Niall Kelly, Shane Farrell;
Kevin Feely, Darragh Kirwan, Daniel Flynn.
Subs: Didier Cordonnier, Tony Archbold, Brian Byrne, Barry Coffey, Ryan Houlihan, Barry Kelly, Luke Killian, Sam McCormack, Kevin O'Callaghan, Harry O'Neill, Shane O'Sullivan.
LOUTH:
Niall McDonnell;
Donal McKenny, Dermot Campbell, Peter Lynch;
Conall Mc Keever, Anthony Williams, Leonard Grey;
Tommy Durnin, Ciaran Murphy;
Tom Jackson, Ciaran Keenan, Conor Grimes;
Ryan Burns, Sam Mulroy, Ciaran Downey.
Subs: Craig Lynch, Chris O'Neill, Peter Mc Stravick, Liam Jackson, Dan Corcoran, Bevan Duffy, Niall Sharkey, Wayne Campbell, Jay Hughes, Conor Early, Paul Mathew
Zero interest in the semi finals this weekend. Proof if anymore was needed that its a pointless competition
Kildare Louth a wee bit interesting but Offaly Dublin is just a question of how much Dublin win by. Any less than a dozen points in it would be a surprise.
Leinster would be interesting without Dublin. The quality would still be shite mind but at least it would be competitive.
Dublin are -20.. think that's a good bet :o
Quote from: mup on April 19, 2024, 10:03:28 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
It does create a bad vibe. And you can't just switch that on or off for league football.
When people argued that Dublin benefitted from financial advantages 5 years back we were told that it was a once in a life time team. That we should laud them while they are here. How does that argument stack up now?
What is your solution to the Dublin "problem"? Not "the final solution" I hope!
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 27, 2024, 11:19:37 AMQuote from: mup on April 19, 2024, 10:03:28 AMQuote from: Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2024, 04:35:00 PMThere is a lot of back and forth re Dublin who I think we should all admit would dominate any province. They are dominating the All-Ireland long enough so it's fair to say their depth would manage Ulster too.
But, that doesn't excuse Kildare and Meath especially. They should be up and around Div 1 or solid Div 2. I know lads are saying when we are waiting to be hammered in Leinster it breeds a bad vibe, but the league is something different and Kildare were annihilated by Cork and Derry last year. That is not excuseable.
There will be a reset and some fresh blood on the pitch and on the line next year, but the Dubs are going nowhere!
It does create a bad vibe. And you can't just switch that on or off for league football.
When people argued that Dublin benefitted from financial advantages 5 years back we were told that it was a once in a life time team. That we should laud them while they are here. How does that argument stack up now?
What is your solution to the Dublin "problem"? Not "the final solution" I hope!
I don't believe there is a solution. The horse has bolted.
Put Dublin into the Ulster Championship
There will be a move to fix Dublin at some stage. Maybe more teams instead of 1.
Quote from: seafoid on April 27, 2024, 07:08:59 PMThere will be a move to fix Dublin at some stage. Maybe more teams instead of 1.
If the GAA were to split Dublin they would be abandoning the "county team" model for national competitions. What would replace that model?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 27, 2024, 08:04:02 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 27, 2024, 07:08:59 PMThere will be a move to fix Dublin at some stage. Maybe more teams instead of 1.
If the GAA were to split Dublin they would be abandoning the "county team" model for national competitions. What would replace that model?
The GAA also used a parish model, which Dublin ignored.These things are useful as far as they are useful, and can be changed. Most counties remain a useful unit, Dublin should have several teams and there is a case for a Belfast team and possibly a Cork city one
(I posted this earlier on another stream)I have entered a token amount of links below. You look at these Dublin clubs, you look at the facilities, you look at the numbers, you look at the money involved, you look at their professional coaches.
All doing great work - but, you can't help but see their advantages.
Bring that onto the next level - Intercounty, and you see how high the bar to be reached is. Home games
ALL the time added to this. It's a complete farce. The gas thing is that the Gaelic fraternity are in complete denial or just don't want to deal with this.
Ah your being "small minded and divisive"
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2024, 10:37:38 PMAh your being "small minded and divisive"
Yea this is just a 'once in a generation' Dublin team. It'll be interesting to see the attendance today.
Quote from: mup on April 28, 2024, 11:11:14 AMQuote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2024, 10:37:38 PMAh your being "small minded and divisive"
Yea this is just a 'once in a generation' Dublin team. It'll be interesting to see the attendance today.
Yeah, they'll have to have it in Croke Park to hold the attendance. Or so I'm told that's the reason all Dublin games are there. Plus EVERYBODY wants to play Dublin in Croke Park (they don't say
everybody wants to beat Dublin in Croke park as much anymore).
Anyway getting back to Leinster championship Kildare are great value to beat Louth. 7/4 is excellent odds to win as their athleticism is suited to the big pitch in Croke Park. Louth are guaranteed a place in AI so Kildare need the win more.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 01:30:52 PMAnyway getting back to Leinster championship Kildare are great value to beat Louth. 7/4 is excellent odds to win as their athleticism is suited to the big pitch in Croke Park. Louth are guaranteed a place in AI so Kildare need the win more.
Westmeath will be Kildare supporters for the day.
You sure about that?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 01:37:20 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 01:30:52 PMAnyway getting back to Leinster championship Kildare are great value to beat Louth. 7/4 is excellent odds to win as their athleticism is suited to the big pitch in Croke Park. Louth are guaranteed a place in AI so Kildare need the win more.
Westmeath will be Kildare supporters for the day.
Westmeath need Louth to win?
Quote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 01:48:51 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2024, 01:37:20 PMQuote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 01:30:52 PMAnyway getting back to Leinster championship Kildare are great value to beat Louth. 7/4 is excellent odds to win as their athleticism is suited to the big pitch in Croke Park. Louth are guaranteed a place in AI so Kildare need the win more.
Westmeath will be Kildare supporters for the day.
Westmeath need Louth to win?
You are right, Louth supporters for the day.
Half time Louth 0-10 Kildare 0-6
Quote from: Gael85 on April 28, 2024, 01:30:52 PMAnyway getting back to Leinster championship Kildare are great value to beat Louth. 7/4 is excellent odds to win as their athleticism is suited to the big pitch in Croke Park. Louth are guaranteed a place in AI so Kildare need the win more.
Kildare are 7/2 right now.
Louth 4 points ahead with 10 minutes to play. FT Louth 0-17 Kildare 0-13. Back to back Leinster finals for Louth certainly the 2nd best in Leinster at the moment. Its the tailteann cup for Kildare.
Offaly look out on their feet by the end of that 1st half. Dublin 1-10 to 0-4 in front. 21,000 the attendance today two matches they could have played elsewhere.
FT Dublin 3-22 Offaly 0-11. Feared for Offaly at half time that they would ship a defeat like that.
Well done Dublin. Gutsy underdog through to another final!
Credit to Louth into the Leinster senior football final in two years running for the first time since 1957-1958. A pity it's Dublin eyeing up another AI title they'll face but will have the group stage after that and will be 2nd seeds.
Kildare need to have a full review to how and why this year has gone so badly for them. Lost all Div 2 games and have now dropped to the Tailteann Cup and would anyone put money on them to win that competition? For a county that has been strong and had success at U20 and U17 the last 5/6 years they should not find themselves at that position
Seems something rotten in Kildare alright.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2024, 06:56:48 PMWell done Dublin. Gutsy underdog through to another final!
Which quote will I use:
Every team wants to play Dublin in Croke ParkEvery team wants to beat Dublin in Croke ParkCroke Park is a neutral venueThis is a one in a generation group of Dublin playersThe GAA needs a strong DublinWhy aren't other counties doing what Dublin are doing?
9k at the meeting of the big 2 in the Leinster hurling championship today. I imagine it won't get the same headlines the 22k at Dublin Meath got
Quote from: oakleaf93 on April 28, 2024, 10:10:24 PM9k at the meeting of the big 2 in the Leinster hurling championship today. I imagine it won't get the same headlines the 22k at Dublin Meath got
Compared to Munster the interest in the Leinster Hurling championship doesn't seem to be great.
Only 1 Hurling County in it, you know who the top 2 are going to be, token teams, all predictable.
It was still a decent turn out though.
I guess Offaly were also just lacking belief today. That's all there is to it. Other than that sure they're Dublins equal in every other factor.
22k at Croke Park yesterday. Sure everything is grand. Well done the GAA. Hope ye are proud.
Ostriches.
Quote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 08:41:58 AM22k at Croke Park yesterday. Sure everything is grand. Well done the GAA. Hope ye are proud.
Ostriches.
Would definitely do no harm to move the Leinster games out of CP for a year or two. No Dubs I know would have an issue with this
Louth will give Dublin a game for 45/50 mins. Kildare, what is the craic there? Could be doing with a McGuinness or a Gallagher type manager
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 09:17:51 AMQuote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 08:41:58 AM22k at Croke Park yesterday. Sure everything is grand. Well done the GAA. Hope ye are proud.
Ostriches.
Would definitely do no harm to move the Leinster games out of CP for a year or two. No Dubs I know would have an issue with this
Louth will give Dublin a game for 45/50 mins. Kildare, what is the craic there? Could be doing with a McGuinness or a Gallagher type manager
Jesus himself couldn't do a job for Kildare. Brain dead footballers who can't get the basics right.
Quote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 09:43:36 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 09:17:51 AMQuote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 08:41:58 AM22k at Croke Park yesterday. Sure everything is grand. Well done the GAA. Hope ye are proud.
Ostriches.
Would definitely do no harm to move the Leinster games out of CP for a year or two. No Dubs I know would have an issue with this
Louth will give Dublin a game for 45/50 mins. Kildare, what is the craic there? Could be doing with a McGuinness or a Gallagher type manager
Jesus himself couldn't do a job for Kildare. Brain dead footballers who can't get the basics right.
Sounds like it time to dust off your boots
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 01:31:00 PMQuote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 09:43:36 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 09:17:51 AMQuote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 08:41:58 AM22k at Croke Park yesterday. Sure everything is grand. Well done the GAA. Hope ye are proud.
Ostriches.
Would definitely do no harm to move the Leinster games out of CP for a year or two. No Dubs I know would have an issue with this
Louth will give Dublin a game for 45/50 mins. Kildare, what is the craic there? Could be doing with a McGuinness or a Gallagher type manager
Jesus himself couldn't do a job for Kildare. Brain dead footballers who can't get the basics right.
Sounds like it time to dust off your boots
I can just about walk.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2024, 09:17:51 AMQuote from: mup on April 29, 2024, 08:41:58 AM22k at Croke Park yesterday. Sure everything is grand. Well done the GAA. Hope ye are proud.
Ostriches.
Would definitely do no harm to move the Leinster games out of CP for a year or two. No Dubs I know would have an issue with this
Louth will give Dublin a game for 45/50 mins. Kildare, what is the craic there? Could be doing with a McGuinness or a Gallagher type manager
Kildare played Dublin in Croke Park twice last year.
In the league Dublin 1-11 Kildare 0-13 and in the Leinster championship Dublin 0-14 Kildare 0-12. If they were playing Dublin yesterday it probably would be a 15 to 20 point defeat.
I honestly think people should stay home for the final. The GAA needs to get the message. And if you hurt their pocket the tend to take notice. Wonder in Jarlath has any ideas or solutions to the Leinster problem.
Make Dublin a Province with 4 County Boards and 4 County teams.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2024, 08:44:22 AMMake Dublin a Province with 4 County Boards and 4 County teams.
I mean that's what the Dublin county board wanted a few years back - to treat Dublin as a separate province.
The GAA just messed it up by giving them more money than any of the other provinces.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 03, 2024, 10:17:20 AMQuote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2024, 08:44:22 AMMake Dublin a Province with 4 County Boards and 4 County teams.
I mean that's what the Dublin county board wanted a few years back - to treat Dublin as a separate province.
The GAA just messed it up by giving them more money than any of the other provinces.
There is too much focus on money. Dublin may well be the place to spend money as missionary work is needed by the GAA, the point is though that money spent on the grassroots should not be allowed distort national competitions at club or county level.
Has the money been going into Dublin equally across all codes and genders?
I assume it has, and if so, why is it that the senior male footballers are the only ones with continued success?
I know the ladies did well, and maybe that has turned them around as before that period they only won one.
But with regards to hurling and Camogie Dublin's last win was in 1984 and they were a brilliant team back in the 60's, but nada since and the senior hurlers haven't been to a final since 61
Are Dublin just producing better footballers as the money isn't making a difference in hurling
They had an AI in them around 2012 / 2013 but they have dropped off a good bit now hurling wise. I think football just has more clout in dublin. If Con O'Callaghan played hurling for dublin they'd be a much better team for it and you could likely say the same for a few of the footballers.
I don't know about distribution of money but be surprised if it were much different.
Its not that Dublin are producing better footballers, its just that given their volume of participation in Football they are producing many many more of them
Look to Kerry Galway Tyrone Mayo and Derry.
They have plenty of footballers equal to or better than many Dublin players.
They simply don't have the numbers to cover for injury and rest.
They don't have the luxury of bringing on a Jack mc Caffrey or Michael Darragh for the last 20.
Dublin compared to any of the others have the quality players to pick two teams from.
None of the other counties do.
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 12:42:26 PMIts not that Dublin are producing better footballers, its just that given their volume of participation in Football they are producing many many more of them
Look to Kerry Galway Tyrone Mayo and Derry.
They have plenty of footballers equal to or better than many Dublin players.
They simply don't have the numbers to cover for injury and rest.
They don't have the luxury of bringing on a Jack mc Caffrey or Michael Darragh for the last 20.
Dublin compared to any of the others have the quality players to pick two teams from.
None of the other counties do.
So, is it a numbers game or a money game?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:46:37 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 12:42:26 PMIts not that Dublin are producing better footballers, its just that given their volume of participation in Football they are producing many many more of them
Look to Kerry Galway Tyrone Mayo and Derry.
They have plenty of footballers equal to or better than many Dublin players.
They simply don't have the numbers to cover for injury and rest.
They don't have the luxury of bringing on a Jack mc Caffrey or Michael Darragh for the last 20.
Dublin compared to any of the others have the quality players to pick two teams from.
None of the other counties do.
So, is it a numbers game or a money game?
Well both.
If you are given funds to develop the game you can coach 20 players for the same amount as 10.
I heard on the RTE podcast that Dublin spent approx 7 million on their seniors last year.
The nearest to this was Cork.
6.2 million I think.
However 40 percent of Corks was on travelling expenses alone.
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 01:03:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:46:37 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 12:42:26 PMIts not that Dublin are producing better footballers, its just that given their volume of participation in Football they are producing many many more of them
Look to Kerry Galway Tyrone Mayo and Derry.
They have plenty of footballers equal to or better than many Dublin players.
They simply don't have the numbers to cover for injury and rest.
They don't have the luxury of bringing on a Jack mc Caffrey or Michael Darragh for the last 20.
Dublin compared to any of the others have the quality players to pick two teams from.
None of the other counties do.
So, is it a numbers game or a money game?
Well both.
If you are given funds to develop the game you can coach 20 players for the same amount as 10.
I heard on the RTE podcast that Dublin spent approx 7 million on their seniors last year.
The nearest to this was Cork.
6.2 million I think.
However 40 percent of Corks was on travelling expenses alone.
Ok so why are Dublins hurlers not doing what Limerick are doing with their money and less numbers that Dublin?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 01:33:47 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 01:03:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:46:37 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 12:42:26 PMIts not that Dublin are producing better footballers, its just that given their volume of participation in Football they are producing many many more of them
Look to Kerry Galway Tyrone Mayo and Derry.
They have plenty of footballers equal to or better than many Dublin players.
They simply don't have the numbers to cover for injury and rest.
They don't have the luxury of bringing on a Jack mc Caffrey or Michael Darragh for the last 20.
Dublin compared to any of the others have the quality players to pick two teams from.
None of the other counties do.
So, is it a numbers game or a money game?
Well both.
If you are given funds to develop the game you can coach 20 players for the same amount as 10.
I heard on the RTE podcast that Dublin spent approx 7 million on their seniors last year.
The nearest to this was Cork.
6.2 million I think.
However 40 percent of Corks was on travelling expenses alone.
Ok so why are Dublins hurlers not doing what Limerick are doing with their money and less numbers that Dublin?
People make choices.
:)
choose which sport to play,
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 01:33:47 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 01:03:42 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:46:37 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on May 03, 2024, 12:42:26 PMIts not that Dublin are producing better footballers, its just that given their volume of participation in Football they are producing many many more of them
Look to Kerry Galway Tyrone Mayo and Derry.
They have plenty of footballers equal to or better than many Dublin players.
They simply don't have the numbers to cover for injury and rest.
They don't have the luxury of bringing on a Jack mc Caffrey or Michael Darragh for the last 20.
Dublin compared to any of the others have the quality players to pick two teams from.
None of the other counties do.
So, is it a numbers game or a money game?
Well both.
If you are given funds to develop the game you can coach 20 players for the same amount as 10.
I heard on the RTE podcast that Dublin spent approx 7 million on their seniors last year.
The nearest to this was Cork.
6.2 million I think.
However 40 percent of Corks was on travelling expenses alone.
Ok so why are Dublins hurlers not doing what Limerick are doing with their money and less numbers that Dublin?
Choices.
Kids choose which sport to play.
Adults choose which sport to support and committees choose where to spend money.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:21:56 PMHas the money been going into Dublin equally across all codes and genders?
I assume it has, and if so, why is it that the senior male footballers are the only ones with continued success?
I know the ladies did well, and maybe that has turned them around as before that period they only won one.
But with regards to hurling and Camogie Dublin's last win was in 1984 and they were a brilliant team back in the 60's, but nada since and the senior hurlers haven't been to a final since 61
Are Dublin just producing better footballers as the money isn't making a difference in hurling
.
Dublin is stronger in football.There are more footballers than hurlers in Dublin.
The money fell on fertile ground. It was enough to override Kerry.
Limerick is stronger in hurling. The money was enough to buy the expertise in. Cork, Tipp and KK were unable to respond. The timing was right.
Quote from: seafoid on May 03, 2024, 05:06:56 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:21:56 PMHas the money been going into Dublin equally across all codes and genders?
I assume it has, and if so, why is it that the senior male footballers are the only ones with continued success?
I know the ladies did well, and maybe that has turned them around as before that period they only won one.
But with regards to hurling and Camogie Dublin's last win was in 1984 and they were a brilliant team back in the 60's, but nada since and the senior hurlers haven't been to a final since 61
Are Dublin just producing better footballers as the money isn't making a difference in hurling
.
Dublin is stronger in football.There are more footballers than hurlers in Dublin.
The money fell on fertile ground. It was enough to override Kerry.
Limerick is stronger in hurling. The money was enough to buy the expertise in. Cork, Tipp and KK were unable to respond. The timing was right.
Dublin have money and a playing hurling population 3rd to Cork and Tipp
So it's either a numbers game poor coaching no money or football is a gift to play
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 06:02:30 PMQuote from: seafoid on May 03, 2024, 05:06:56 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 12:21:56 PMHas the money been going into Dublin equally across all codes and genders?
I assume it has, and if so, why is it that the senior male footballers are the only ones with continued success?
I know the ladies did well, and maybe that has turned them around as before that period they only won one.
But with regards to hurling and Camogie Dublin's last win was in 1984 and they were a brilliant team back in the 60's, but nada since and the senior hurlers haven't been to a final since 61
Are Dublin just producing better footballers as the money isn't making a difference in hurling
.
Dublin is stronger in football.There are more footballers than hurlers in Dublin.
The money fell on fertile ground. It was enough to override Kerry.
Limerick is stronger in hurling. The money was enough to buy the expertise in. Cork, Tipp and KK were unable to respond. The timing was right.
Dublin have money and a playing hurling population 3rd to Cork and Tipp
So it's either a numbers game poor coaching no money or football is a gift to play
Hurling has higher skill levels.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2024, 01:33:47 PMOk so why are Dublins hurlers not doing what Limerick are doing with their money and less numbers that Dublin?
Because they were coming from a far lower base to start with.
If you look at where Dublin hurling was historically compared to where it is now, there is literally no comparison.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 03, 2024, 08:44:22 AMMake Dublin a Province with 4 County Boards and 4 County teams.
at least 4.
Only allows Dubs to
(i) Field previous years county champions as their teams less culchies with culchie clubs in previous 3 years.
(ii) Allow 3 wildcards to join them.
(iii) Play ALL their Leinster games outside of Croke Park. Make Portlaoise designated finals stadium for next 10 years.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on May 06, 2024, 10:15:13 AMOnly allows Dubs to
(i) Field previous years county champions as their teams less culchies with culchie clubs in previous 3 years.
(ii) Allow 3 wildcards to join them.
(iii) Play ALL their Leinster games outside of Croke Park. Make Portlaoise designated finals stadium for next 10 years.
Play leinster final as a surprise in January so Longford can finally call a halt to the 15 in a row charade.
I'm not a bitter royal towards louth. I really would love to see them create the shock of the century. But I just can't see it happening and also the draw makes for interesting position for louth. Their next game is winnable against a Meath team at sixes and sevens under Colm. They could get to a prelim quarter final by winning just that one game in a neutral venue (they should have beat us in league in navan). So what does louth management do ? Throw everything at Dublin and have a very despondent sore tired team still shifting a heavy defeat go out v Meath the following week ? Or play conservative don't waste too much energy avoid injuries and concentrate on the old rivals and giving Colm his p45. I know which one I hope they do. But I fear they will be focused on Meath which worry's me immensely