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Poll
Question: Who will win?
Option 1: Tyrone by 1-3
Option 2: Tyrone by 4+
Option 3: Kerry by 1-3
Option 4: Kerry by 4+
Title: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on July 31, 2021, 05:56:14 PM
Can't see this being a repeat of the league. Tyrone have come on leaps and bounds since then.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 31, 2021, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 31, 2021, 05:56:14 PM
Can't see this being a repeat of the league. Tyrone have come on leaps and bounds since then.

Ah think kerry have came on as well. Nothing but a kerry win. Tyrone still settling in while kerry are almost a finished article.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: NotedObserver on July 31, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
Tyrone keeper surely an issue. Covid seems to have hit the camp as well so v difficult to see a Tyrone win
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 31, 2021, 06:27:14 PM
Kerry would definitely have been hoping for Monaghan
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on July 31, 2021, 06:29:10 PM
Think that Kerry attack will be just too much to be honest, if they can get on top early then I'd find it very hard to see Tyrone turn it around.

Tyrone need to keep it tight early and not let the game get away from them, I'd it's close after the second half water break it could get interesting. But I'd imagine Kerry will do enough damage to win.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 31, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
I'll think Tyrone will be fairly happy with the season. Winning Ulster is a fair return for the first year for the management team. Anything more is a bonus but I don't think they'll get much change out of a Kerry team that look stronger than they have for a while.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on July 31, 2021, 07:25:58 PM
Watch the media try and talk Tyrone up prior to this semi final. The reality is that Kerry are operating on a completely different level than Tyrone.

Tyrone's only chance would be to turn the game into a physically bruising, high intensity slug fest by keeping in touch until 10 minutes to go and hope that Kerry's old mental frailties resurface. I think the game will be long over at that stage though.

Yes, it's a free shot to nothing for Tyrone but they can opt to go out of the championship with either a whimper or a bang.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on July 31, 2021, 07:59:53 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.

Agree with most of it as tyrone were very overhyped in the run up to this game. Although both mcshane and canavan are just back from injuries and a few players were missing due to covid. Tyrones bench is better than today game but won't be enough to trouble kerry never mind Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Tyrone had 5 players ruled out due to covid today, and Mcshane, Canavan and Munroe only coming back after longer term injuries. I think when they have everyone available, their squad is one of their strengths
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 31, 2021, 06:17:47 PM
Tyrone keeper surely an issue. Covid seems to have hit the camp as well so v difficult to see a Tyrone win
Keeper an issue? Morgan was superb today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Anybody know the days for the semi finals? Will this one be on the Saturday or Sunday? Or will the CCC meet tomorrow morning to decide?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Sportacus on August 01, 2021, 12:08:30 PM
If Tyrone have everyone back in the dressing room you'd think it would be a big boost, and after getting whipped in Killarney, they've the opportunity to turn it into a tight game and make Kerry doubt themselves.  But, will Tyrone's backs end up chasing shadows?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Anybody know the days for the semi finals? Will this one be on the Saturday or Sunday? Or will the CCC meet tomorrow morning to decide?

Been wondering this myself. I'm assuming they will decide tomorrow once the 4 semi finalists are confirmed.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Anybody know the days for the semi finals? Will this one be on the Saturday or Sunday? Or will the CCC meet tomorrow morning to decide?

Been wondering this myself. I'm assuming they will decide tomorrow once the 4 semi finalists are confirmed.

Would almost guarantee Dublin will be playing on Saturday to suit them better.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Anybody know the days for the semi finals? Will this one be on the Saturday or Sunday? Or will the CCC meet tomorrow morning to decide?

Been wondering this myself. I'm assuming they will decide tomorrow once the 4 semi finalists are confirmed.

Would almost guarantee Dublin will be playing on Saturday to suit them better.

Why would Saturday suit better?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 01, 2021, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Anybody know the days for the semi finals? Will this one be on the Saturday or Sunday? Or will the CCC meet tomorrow morning to decide?

Been wondering this myself. I'm assuming they will decide tomorrow once the 4 semi finalists are confirmed.

Would almost guarantee Dublin will be playing on Saturday to suit them better.

Why would Saturday suit better?

Man united are playing Sunday in premier league
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 01, 2021, 02:12:57 PM
Last time Tyrone beat Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 01, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 01, 2021, 02:12:57 PM
Last time Tyrone beat Kerry, Mayo or Dublin in the championship?

All in 2008 I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Anybody know the days for the semi finals? Will this one be on the Saturday or Sunday? Or will the CCC meet tomorrow morning to decide?

Been wondering this myself. I'm assuming they will decide tomorrow once the 4 semi finalists are confirmed.

Would almost guarantee Dublin will be playing on Saturday to suit them better.

Why would Saturday suit better?

Day drinking for the dubs fans on sat with most being off the Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bigfrank on August 01, 2021, 03:48:30 PM
Saturday, August 14: Dublin/Kildare v Mayo, 6pm.

Sunday, August 15, Kerry v Tyrone, 3.30pm.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Kerry are a few years ahead of Tyrone at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 01, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
McGeary good but Meyler better suited to half back, lad hardly ever scores.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
Match scheduled for Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 01, 2021, 05:06:54 PM
Judging from today's game, Tyrone could have a big chance winning it all this Yr, depending on what Tyrone team turns up, Dublin look poor.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 01, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Kerry are a few years ahead of Tyrone at the minute

In what way? That Tyrone side to me would appear to be longer on the road than Kerry who have much more scope for improvement than Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 01, 2021, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 01, 2021, 03:36:53 PM
"Tyrone have 2 of the best wing forwards in the game in Meyler and McGeary." - Oisín McConville.

Right....

I think Oisin is just trying to talk up Tyrone's chances against Kerry, he was rubbishing the Kerry defence on BBC yesterday as well. I really don't see how he thinks Tyrone have a big opportunity against Kerry.

Tyrone have an abundance of McGeary/Meyler type link players. Hard working, mobile, athletic players. Good ball carriers but safe in possession, they are Mickey Harte prototypes. Neither player looks like a natural forward to me.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Kerry are a few years ahead of Tyrone at the minute

In what way? That Tyrone side to me would appear to be longer on the road than Kerry who have much more scope for improvement than Tyrone.

I would say in terms that kerry have been working on a system for a number of years where as tyrone are trying to play a new system after years upon years of playing a certain negative way. Interesting article from Niall Morgan Irish news, gives an insight into mickeys my way attitude.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Kerry are a few years ahead of Tyrone at the minute

In what way? That Tyrone side to me would appear to be longer on the road than Kerry who have much more scope for improvement than Tyrone.
Kerry brought Dublin to a replay in the 2019 all Ireland final.
Tyrone didn't do that yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: redzone on August 01, 2021, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Kerry are a few years ahead of Tyrone at the minute

In what way? That Tyrone side to me would appear to be longer on the road than Kerry who have much more scope for improvement than Tyrone.

I would say in terms that kerry have been working on a system for a number of years where as tyrone are trying to play a new system after years upon years of playing a certain negative way. Interesting article from Niall Morgan Irish news, gives an insight into mickeys my way attitude.
What is the new system.? I was at the game and that's exactly how they played under Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on August 01, 2021, 06:21:37 PM
They are kicking in quicker ball to McCurry..it's only really this year that he has played consistently in the championship.  He use to play well on the soft ground of February and March
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: redzone on August 01, 2021, 06:48:22 PM
Indeed mccurry is playing brilliant and winning his own ball but the ball was kicked in plenty under harte to mcshane. Plenty of mccurrys scores come from coming of a player as well. No doubt players like mccurry have had a new lease of life and I think that's why everyone was glad to see a change buts it's pretty much the same system. We really struggled in the second half for ideas and it was Peter Donnelly who rushed to make the changes when they were on top in the second half as dooher stood in a trance on the sideline which would be quite concerning
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 07:09:51 PM
Yes we kicked the ball in a bit under harte but no where near as frequent. McCurry scored 17 points in 2 games would never have happened under mickey. Generally they are alot more postive and looking to move forward. The system isn't in place yet as they only have been in charge for a few games but you can see what they are trying to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 07:13:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 01, 2021, 06:48:22 PM
Indeed mccurry is playing brilliant and winning his own ball but the ball was kicked in plenty under harte to mcshane. Plenty of mccurrys scores come from coming of a player as well. No doubt players like mccurry have had a new lease of life and I think that's why everyone was glad to see a change buts it's pretty much the same system. We really struggled in the second half for ideas and it was Peter Donnelly who rushed to make the changes when they were on top in the second half as dooher stood in a trance on the sideline which would be quite concerning

Bit concerning that but it may be that dooher doesn't want to be seen to be the mad one shouting at the side lines. I have been watching tyrone football for more than I care to admit  but have no idea why but tyrone can never seem to kick on in the 2nd half when they are leading at half time. It somehow doesn't seem to suit them. That and the fact they find goals hard to come by are 2 things that need addressed if they want to challenge in future.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Tyrone had 5 players ruled out due to covid today, and Mcshane, Canavan and Munroe only coming back after longer term injuries. I think when they have everyone available, their squad is one of their strengths

Who were the 5 missing players?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 01, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Tyrone had 5 players ruled out due to covid today, and Mcshane, Canavan and Munroe only coming back after longer term injuries. I think when they have everyone available, their squad is one of their strengths

Who were the 5 missing players?

Frank burns
Tiernan mccann
Richie donnelly
Rory brennan
Conor shields

We went to the well and came back with a drink.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 01, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Tyrone had 5 players ruled out due to covid today, and Mcshane, Canavan and Munroe only coming back after longer term injuries. I think when they have everyone available, their squad is one of their strengths

Who were the 5 missing players?

Frank burns
Tiernan mccann
Richie donnelly
Rory brennan
Conor shields

We went to the well and came back with a drink.

Which out of those 5 do you think Kerry would be most concerned about?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 01, 2021, 07:46:42 PM
Fair play to Tyrone who since the Donegal game never got to train together as a full squad.
Mcnamee was only out of isolation on Friday, was a close contact, so looked a big ragged on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 01, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Tyrone had 5 players ruled out due to covid today, and Mcshane, Canavan and Munroe only coming back after longer term injuries. I think when they have everyone available, their squad is one of their strengths

Who were the 5 missing players?

Frank burns
Tiernan mccann
Richie donnelly
Rory brennan
Conor shields

We went to the well and came back with a drink.

Which out of those 5 do you think Kerry would be most concerned about?
Well 4 of them are defenders so I doubt kerry would be making special plans for any of them. Regardless, take 5 player sout of any IC squad and it will weaken them to some degree. There is every chance Burns, Brennan and McCann  could all have started against monaghan if available.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: In hiding on August 01, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: redzone on August 01, 2021, 06:48:22 PM
Indeed mccurry is playing brilliant and winning his own ball but the ball was kicked in plenty under harte to mcshane. Plenty of mccurrys scores come from coming of a player as well. No doubt players like mccurry have had a new lease of life and I think that's why everyone was glad to see a change buts it's pretty much the same system. We really struggled in the second half for ideas and it was Peter Donnelly who rushed to make the changes when they were on top in the second half as dooher stood in a trance on the sideline which would be quite concerning
So you are saying Doohers demeanour on the line is the same as Mickey Hartes
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 01, 2021, 09:12:58 PM
I noticed Tyrone are talking to RTE again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Trap on August 01, 2021, 09:17:35 PM
Wonder will other counties be as honest
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 02, 2021, 12:19:59 AM
Where's the poll for this one?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fuzzman on August 02, 2021, 11:09:12 AM
Could be interesting if we sent a lot of Covid suspects for a weeks holiday to kerry 😂

Pity McShane, Canavan and McKenna weren't all in full flow and this could have been a proper gun fight.
Could our free kicks and lack of goals cost us again against one of the big three?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trailer on August 02, 2021, 11:25:03 AM
I can't see Tyrone losing. #TotalFaith
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2021, 11:34:30 AM
Sorry to hear you have  eyesight problems.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: greatpoint on August 02, 2021, 01:11:43 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2021, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 01, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 01, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2021, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on July 31, 2021, 07:43:32 PM
Tyrone were being overrated after beating a 14 man Donegal, I think today's performance is a truer reflection on where they are at. They don't have a free taker and their bench is nowhere near as good as has been made out. Monaghan left that behind them today and I can see Kerry comfortably beating Tyrone in the semi-final.
Tyrone had 5 players ruled out due to covid today, and Mcshane, Canavan and Munroe only coming back after longer term injuries. I think when they have everyone available, their squad is one of their strengths

Who were the 5 missing players?

Frank burns
Tiernan mccann
Richie donnelly
Rory brennan
Conor shields

We went to the well and came back with a drink.

Which out of those 5 do you think Kerry would be most concerned about?
Well 4 of them are defenders so I doubt kerry would be making special plans for any of them. Regardless, take 5 player sout of any IC squad and it will weaken them to some degree. There is every chance Burns, Brennan and McCann  could all have started against monaghan if available.

Tyrone were going to beat Monaghan without those players anyway. Even with all of them available and McShane and Canavan fully fit, Kerry will win comfortably.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 02, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 01, 2021, 11:14:58 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 01, 2021, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Kerry are a few years ahead of Tyrone at the minute

In what way? That Tyrone side to me would appear to be longer on the road than Kerry who have much more scope for improvement than Tyrone.

I would say in terms that kerry have been working on a system for a number of years where as tyrone are trying to play a new system after years upon years of playing a certain negative way. Interesting article from Niall Morgan Irish news, gives an insight into mickeys my way attitude.

Do you watch Kerry at all. Kerry working on a system for a number of years lol ffs weren't they bt by Cork last season trying to play defensively. A new system this year in contrast to last season's dismal defensive tripe. Tyrone similar to their typical game except letting in some early ball

System was probably the wrong choice of words. The kerry players and management have been working together for a number of years whereas tyorn have been working togfor only a few months.

Last year kerry defeat was a bit of freak. It was one long hit and hope ball in at the last min which beat them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: larryin89 on August 02, 2021, 08:23:46 PM
Are kerry suspect at the back still, we are all in awe of their magnificent forwards and rightly so but they are hardly considered solid in defence and still relying on david moran in the middle . Cork cut in handy in the opening exchanges the last day . I'm not convinced by kerry at all . My gut tells me Tyrone will make a right scrap out of this one . Con o callaghan made light work in the league game of getting in behind them . Foley,o beagliadh, o sullivan etc they're not exactly mark o se , Tomas,  Moynihan,  look all I'm saying is it's not a frightening kerry 1 to 9 imho.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 02, 2021, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2021, 08:23:46 PM
Are kerry suspect at the back still, we are all in awe of their magnificent forwards and rightly so but they are hardly considered solid in defence and still relying on david moran in the middle . Cork cut in handy in the opening exchanges the last day . I'm not convinced by kerry at all . My gut tells me Tyrone will make a right scrap out of this one . Con o callaghan made light work in the league game of getting in behind them . Foley,o beagliadh, o sullivan etc they're not exactly mark o se , Tomas,  Moynihan,  look all I'm saying is it's not a frightening kerry 1 to 9 imho.
The Clifford, Geaney and SOS will be laughing at Morgan running about like a headless chicken the last day. Tyrone forwards are capable of hurting Kerry but they are a level below what Kerry have.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 02, 2021, 10:15:15 PM
Kerry are shaky at 3 and 6, whether Mike Breen sorts out the centre half back position time will tell.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't think we've seen the optimum Tyrone forward line up this year yet. A FF line up of McCurry, McShane, Donnelly is nothing to be sniffed at. Throw in Meyler, Bradley, Canavan, R Donnelly, Burns, McGeary. It's as good a attacking line up as we've had in a long time. It's whether we'll get to see the best of if this year with the likes of Canavsn and McShane returning from injury.
Midfield is where the jury is still out. There's potential there, but very raw against this level. If they can continue their good form then you never know.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 02, 2021, 10:24:18 PM
Kerry -6 is free money!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: NotedObserver on August 02, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't think we've seen the optimum Tyrone forward line up this year yet. A FF line up of McCurry, McShane, Donnelly is nothing to be sniffed at. Throw in Meyler, Bradley, Canavan, R Donnelly, Burns, McGeary. It's as good a attacking line up as we've had in a long time. It's whether we'll get to see the best of if this year with the likes of Canavsn and McShane returning from injury.
Midfield is where the jury is still out. There's potential there, but very raw against this level. If they can continue their good form then you never know.

McKenna as well. Another man that could do with a longer campaign as potential is massive
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2021, 10:48:55 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 02, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2021, 10:19:06 PM
I don't think we've seen the optimum Tyrone forward line up this year yet. A FF line up of McCurry, McShane, Donnelly is nothing to be sniffed at. Throw in Meyler, Bradley, Canavan, R Donnelly, Burns, McGeary. It's as good a attacking line up as we've had in a long time. It's whether we'll get to see the best of if this year with the likes of Canavsn and McShane returning from injury.
Midfield is where the jury is still out. There's potential there, but very raw against this level. If they can continue their good form then you never know.

McKenna as well. Another man that could do with a longer campaign as potential is massive

I think McKenna will settle in the half back line. But needs to get up to speed quickly for this year. Was hoping for more from him, which is probably unfair on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trailer on August 03, 2021, 10:18:23 AM
This is perfect for Tyrone. It is a free cut at Kerry. No one expects them to get within 10 points of them. They have nothing to lose. This Tyrone team is committed and they'll be smarting from the chastening experience in Kerry earlier this year. Kerry will probably win but I don't think they'll have it all their own way either. I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 03, 2021, 10:23:37 AM
Anyone making predictions about this game based on the league game needs to have a word with themselves. Tyrone weren't good that day, have improved massively and will have learned a lot. It will be a lot closer than people think. Uncomfortably so
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hereiam on August 03, 2021, 10:56:40 AM
You can have the best forwards in the world but if good ball is not going into them often enough then it doesn't matter a dam.
McKenna needs to be doing more of this, he needs to on the the level Brian McGuigan was (if only). If Tyrone can do this then we have a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2021, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2021, 10:23:37 AM
Anyone making predictions about this game based on the league game needs to have a word with themselves. Tyrone weren't good that day, have improved massively and will have learned a lot. It will be a lot closer than people think. Uncomfortably so

If Tyrone get everyone behind the ball Kerry won't score that much, double team Clifford though will only allow the other players tap over the scores, like they did against Cork, fitness levels for most of the Tyrone lads seem fine accept the ones that came back recently. 2 weeks wouldn't bring them up to speed either.

Be interesting to see if Tyrone change their style, they could counter attack Kerry well but need to make sure that they take 95% of their chances to have a chance and hope that Kerry have a bad day and its raining lol
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2021, 11:15:05 AM
Tyrone haven't done the iterations. Kerry have.
Tyrone might peak in 2 or 3 years. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.

 

 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 03, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.

 



McCurry without a doubt gets on in current form. One of the top 3 forwards this year in the championship. Donnelly most likely as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tiempo on August 03, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.


I get this but I don't at the same time. Tyrone 03 semi should have been a template for Tyrone going forward in terms of intensity but it never emerged. By the time Mickey was getting beat by Mayo and Kerry in semi's in the mid noughties Tyrone were noticeably flat for long periods in eminently winnable huge games. It was lack of aggression that shafted Monaghan in the first half last week, they were shadowing players that you can't afford to give an inch to. Tyrone do need to replicate 03 mania but should also be asking themselves where is this game on game, if they can gather up that level of hunger consistently they'll evolve to a level they aren't at, the league game in Kerry this year proved they aren't there yet, early days with the new management ticket, but a big opportunity to answer the questions posed in Tralee a few months ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 03, 2021, 01:04:37 PM
Yeah very harsh on the Tyrone forward line. If they get decent possession they'll cause Kerry plenty of problems. I don't think this will be anywhere near as one sided as suggested.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 03, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.

 



McCurry without a doubt gets on in current form. One of the top 3 forwards this year in the championship. Donnelly most likely as well.

McCurry has raw ability, no doubt, but I am not totally convinced by him in the big games at the highest level although he is Tyrone's biggest scoring threat. A 2019 Cathal McShane or a fit Darragh Canavan would make a huge difference to their forward line but Dooher and Logan can only deal with the hand that they've been dealt with. Mattie Donnelly has had 2 good halves of football in each of the last 2 games and has been a fantastic footballer for a decade or so now but whether he is still at the same level of a few years back, I'm not sure.

This Kerry forward line is dynamite and they have another 3 on the bench ready to come on in the last quarter as well.     
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 01:29:50 PM
Quote from: tiempo on August 03, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.


I get this but I don't at the same time. Tyrone 03 semi should have been a template for Tyrone going forward in terms of intensity but it never emerged. By the time Mickey was getting beat by Mayo and Kerry in semi's in the mid noughties Tyrone were noticeably flat for long periods in eminently winnable huge games. It was lack of aggression that shafted Monaghan in the first half last week, they were shadowing players that you can't afford to give an inch to. Tyrone do need to replicate 03 mania but should also be asking themselves where is this game on game, if they can gather up that level of hunger consistently they'll evolve to a level they aren't at, the league game in Kerry this year proved they aren't there yet, early days with the new management ticket, but a big opportunity to answer the questions posed in Tralee a few months ago.

I'm just not sure that those levels of physical aggression and intensity can be successfully instilled into a team in 2 weeks. As time wore on Mickey Harte sides did become more about marking zonal and filtering bodies back behind the ball. There was very little physical engagement with the opponent outside of their own 45m line. A lot of players are now pre programmed to play this way so much so that it is very difficult to 'uncoach' it back out of them. Tyrone have cloned these types of ball carrying transition players for years now at the expense of more forward thinking creative players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 03, 2021, 01:30:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 03, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.

 



McCurry without a doubt gets on in current form. One of the top 3 forwards this year in the championship. Donnelly most likely as well.

McCurry has raw ability, no doubt, but I am not totally convinced by him in the big games at the highest level although he is Tyrone's biggest scoring threat. A 2019 Cathal McShane or a fit Darragh Canavan would make a huge difference to their forward line but Dooher and Logan can only deal with the hand that they've been dealt with. Mattie Donnelly has had 2 good halves of football in each of the last 2 games and has been a fantastic footballer for a decade or so now but whether he is still at the same level of a few years back, I'm not sure.

This Kerry forward line is dynamite and they have another 3 on the bench ready to come on in the last quarter as well.     
I'm just going on this year. McCurry starts, for me no questions. I'd also have Mattie in there as well. Depending on what you want the forwards to do cases could be made for others. Tyrone won't play with 6 sharp shooters. They have players like Meyler, McGeary who will turn over ball. It's not just scoring. I'm leaving McShand out of it as current form he's not going to displace anyone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 03, 2021, 02:04:51 PM
Tyrone are 5/1. Surely worth a punt?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 03, 2021, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2021, 02:04:51 PM
Tyrone are 5/1. Surely worth a punt?
Yeah absolutely. And if anyone isn't sure how the odds work, if you bet £20 you lose £20 ;).

In all seriousness, Tyrone will be closer than a lot are saying but think Kerry are a level above and only complacency will stop them winning this. Free hit for Tyrone though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: naka on August 03, 2021, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2021, 02:04:51 PM
Tyrone are 5/1. Surely worth a punt?
go for it.
think Kerry will pull away in the second half, but a decent season for tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trailer on August 03, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 03, 2021, 01:30:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 03, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.

 



McCurry without a doubt gets on in current form. One of the top 3 forwards this year in the championship. Donnelly most likely as well.

McCurry has raw ability, no doubt, but I am not totally convinced by him in the big games at the highest level although he is Tyrone's biggest scoring threat. A 2019 Cathal McShane or a fit Darragh Canavan would make a huge difference to their forward line but Dooher and Logan can only deal with the hand that they've been dealt with. Mattie Donnelly has had 2 good halves of football in each of the last 2 games and has been a fantastic footballer for a decade or so now but whether he is still at the same level of a few years back, I'm not sure.

This Kerry forward line is dynamite and they have another 3 on the bench ready to come on in the last quarter as well.     
I'm just going on this year. McCurry starts, for me no questions. I'd also have Mattie in there as well. Depending on what you want the forwards to do cases could be made for others. Tyrone won't play with 6 sharp shooters. They have players like Meyler, McGeary who will turn over ball. It's not just scoring. I'm leaving McShand out of it as current form he's not going to displace anyone.

I think McCurry will get an All Star.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tiempo on August 03, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2021, 02:04:51 PM
Tyrone are 5/1. Surely worth a punt?

Savage price
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Pub Bore on August 03, 2021, 02:26:54 PM
Kerry by 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tiempo on August 03, 2021, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 01:29:50 PM
Quote from: tiempo on August 03, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2021, 12:46:21 PM
How many Tyrone forwards would get into this current Kerry side? I don't think any would and that is their main problem, they simply don't have the firepower to get the scores necessary. Dooher and Logan will know this and I predict that they will try and turn this game into an arm wrestle which is their only chance of causing an upset. Manic aggressive defending and hope to contain and frustrate the Kerry attack as much as possible. A bit like 2003 levels of aggression if you like. I don't think they will win by playing this way either, they simply don't have the personnel to do it but it is their only option to try and take the game down to the last 10 minutes. If they get into a man against man shootout there is only going to be one winner.


I get this but I don't at the same time. Tyrone 03 semi should have been a template for Tyrone going forward in terms of intensity but it never emerged. By the time Mickey was getting beat by Mayo and Kerry in semi's in the mid noughties Tyrone were noticeably flat for long periods in eminently winnable huge games. It was lack of aggression that shafted Monaghan in the first half last week, they were shadowing players that you can't afford to give an inch to. Tyrone do need to replicate 03 mania but should also be asking themselves where is this game on game, if they can gather up that level of hunger consistently they'll evolve to a level they aren't at, the league game in Kerry this year proved they aren't there yet, early days with the new management ticket, but a big opportunity to answer the questions posed in Tralee a few months ago.

I'm just not sure that those levels of physical aggression and intensity can be successfully instilled into a team in 2 weeks. As time wore on Mickey Harte sides did become more about marking zonal and filtering bodies back behind the ball. There was very little physical engagement with the opponent outside of their own 45m line. A lot of players are now pre programmed to play this way so much so that it is very difficult to 'uncoach' it back out of them. Tyrone have cloned these types of ball carrying transition players for years now at the expense of more forward thinking creative players.

Agree largely, the base character of all lads at the top level would be self motivated driven men, its really whether the stars line up or not on the day, can the players reach a crescendo in terms of desire and performance, and a whole lot depends on selection and gameplan decided by the management.

As Mickey used to say there's no point talking about who wins if both teams go out and play to their potential, that never happens bar perhaps the occasional classic game, both Tyrone and Kerry will be trying to nullify and stifle each other as well as cut loose, inevitably one will perform slightly better on the day take control for a larger portion than the other and win, and this is a very winnable game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 03, 2021, 02:52:15 PM
Draw game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 03, 2021, 05:42:13 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 03, 2021, 02:52:15 PM
Draw game.

Replay in Limerick!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 03, 2021, 07:50:48 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 04, 2021, 05:14:33 PM
This match is now a double header in Croke Park. The U20 All-Ireland final Roscommon/Down v Offaly on at 1pm
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 04, 2021, 05:37:56 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 04, 2021, 05:14:33 PM
This match is now a double header in Croke Park. The U20 All-Ireland final Roscommon/Down v Offaly on at 1pm

Sensible decision, more exposure for the U-20 competition which has seen some great games in recent weeks. Kerry fans will not travel for the semi final anyway, they will be saving themselves for the final so there should be no major issue getting tickets.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: skeog on August 04, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
Bit steep 50 euro for u/20 game suppose the counties involved wont mind.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 05, 2021, 12:23:00 AM
Some winebaggin about Kerry here.  A lough of games ago we were talking about a weak Kerry defence and how they had slipped back from last year. Not tested, over-rated and as for them oul tattoos...A weakened Tyrone side, not firing on all cylinders got past a tough Monaghan side. Plenty of weaknesses in this Kerry team. Dublin are the team to bate.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 05, 2021, 12:32:20 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2021, 05:37:56 PM
Kerry fans will not travel for the semi final anyway, they will be saving themselves for the final so there should be no major issue getting tickets.

I don't know, if there is one thing that Kerry people like beating other than Dublin, it's Tyrone!

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 05, 2021, 01:12:26 AM
33,848 was the attendance for the last Tyrone v Kerry All-Ireland semi final in 2019.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on August 05, 2021, 08:53:45 AM
Tomas O Se chatting with Ryan McMenamin  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZW-AmEsQ2o&t=1064s

His chat with Frankie Dolan was good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVNkIyEp9fI&t=2943s

Mattie Forde    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqWSbYRow8
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2021, 11:23:11 AM
IF the game is postponed could this affect the date for the final?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 07, 2021, 12:12:29 PM
Very bad luck and timing for Tyrone to suffer a major Covid outbreak. Was always likely to happen some county at some point the only surprise is that it took so long and before such a high profile game. Even if they get a week postponement which now looks likely, they will have had a huge disruption in terms of preparation.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.

Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.
Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.
Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!

1 of the guys I know who was hit with it is an absolute machine. As fit a man as I know. For a few weeks after the all clear was really struggling APM
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 07, 2021, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.
Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!

1 of the guys I know who was hit with it is an absolute machine. As fit a man as I know. For a few weeks after the all clear was really struggling APM

Spot on! An extra week will be of limited benefit to any player in that position depending on when they test positive. You will also have guys that will just want to get out and play and say that they are better. Not a good place to be in for a management team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 07, 2021, 01:40:21 PM
Anecdotal personal evidence. I'd be a half decent 5k runner but not the fittest by any stretch. First moderna vaccine knocked me back a month and second recently set me back again. For a top level athlete actually catching covid could be devastating.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mikhailov on August 07, 2021, 04:12:05 PM
Lads, to back up what some lads are saying on here - Covid WILL have an affect on any players fitness irrespective of how fit they had been. Several players I know (all really fit lads) have struggled to recover and have commented on their inability to recover quickly during exercise and even training sessions are taking a lot out of them never mind high intensity games. The overall impact on a squad such as Tyrone will be devastating - surely their individual and team performance will be nowhere near the levels it had been prior to this outbreak.

Not any easy job for management trying to assess who is fit
& not fit. It will also require a lot of honesty from the players concerned as to how they feel physically and mentally.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2021, 06:41:27 PM
If Tyrone did go on to win after this it would be a bigger shock than 2003.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on August 07, 2021, 07:40:37 PM
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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 07, 2021, 11:51:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2021, 06:41:27 PM
If Tyrone did go on to win after this it would be a bigger shock than 2003.

2008 may have been a shock but not 2003. Best team by a mile that year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 08, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 07, 2021, 11:51:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2021, 06:41:27 PM
If Tyrone did go on to win after this it would be a bigger shock than 2003.

2008 may have been a shock but not 2003. Best team by a mile that year

2008 at 33/1 was the only good thing I ever got out of Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 09, 2021, 12:32:07 AM
It seems this game will be put back?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 09, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2021, 12:32:07 AM
It seems this game will be put back?
Hopefully so. Much as I don't like Tyrone you still want them to have a fair chance at giving Kerry a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 09, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2021, 12:32:07 AM
It seems this game will be put back?
Hopefully so. Much as I don't like Tyrone you still want them to have a fair chance at giving Kerry a game.

Bit unfair on Kerry preparing for a final?  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 09, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Match off
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 09, 2021, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 09, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Match off

Does this mean that the AI final gets pushed back a week also?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 09, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 09, 2021, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 09, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Match off

Does this mean that the AI final gets pushed back a week also?

Not sure. Press release later today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: larryin89 on August 09, 2021, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 09, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Match off

Not saying it's not true but is there official word on this ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 09, 2021, 11:17:59 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2021, 11:02:22 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 09, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Match off

Not saying it's not true but is there official word on this ?

Cuthbert
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 09, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
Is this a sign locally of young men not being vaccinated?   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on August 09, 2021, 11:50:18 AM
13 in Tyrone camp positive?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: NotedObserver on August 09, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 09, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
Is this a sign locally of young men not being vaccinated?


Some of them are double vaccinated
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 12:02:11 PM
Are there controls in place that players should be adhering to?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 09, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
You'd assume its coming from  Ulster final celebrations.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tintin25 on August 09, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
Is the match off?  No such flexibility was given to Fermanagh when they had requested same last year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 09, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
Is the match off?  No such flexibility was given to Fermanagh when they had requested same last year

Surely there are other players in Tyrone who don't have COVID?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 01:03:58 PM
Match off, not ideal for either team. Week prep for all Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
Has anyone seen anything official or heard from anyone who would know? Was talking to a player this morning, said he hadn't heard (or so he says).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 09, 2021, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 09, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
Is the match off?  No such flexibility was given to Fermanagh when they had requested same last year

Surely there are other players in Tyrone who don't have COVID?

Not enough. Like Derry players and medals
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 09, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
What happens if there is an outbreak next week in the Kerry camp? Or more Tyrone players test positive? Continue to postpone?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 09, 2021, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 09, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
What happens if there is an outbreak next week in the Kerry camp? Or more Tyrone players test positive? Continue to postpone?

Play the ladies teams instead
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on August 09, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 09, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 09, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
Is this a sign locally of young men not being vaccinated?

Vaccination doesn't prevent infection

Some of them are double vaccinated
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 09, 2021, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 09, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
Is the match off?  No such flexibility was given to Fermanagh when they had requested same last year

Surely there are other players in Tyrone who don't have COVID?

As none of the current squad (or very few) would be able to play this weekend, out of curiosity what would a Tyrone C team look like?

Would the Clonoe lads come back?, Kyle Coney? Colm Cavanagh? There'd be experience there for a start.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
Wonder would Mickey be free to manage?!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
Wonder would Mickey be free to manage?!

I'd say he would manage for 1 game as long as he got his £1,000 pay check on the way out
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: southtyronegael on August 09, 2021, 02:55:56 PM
Wouldn't be a brown envelope big enough for Mickey.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results

I take it Croke will be asking to see those results, so that this isn't some ploy to have a injury hit team time to get ready?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 09, 2021, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results

I take it Croke will be asking to see those results, so that this isn't some ploy to have a injury hit team time to get ready?

Croke can ask all they want and hopefully will be told to gtf
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results

I take it Croke will be asking to see those results, so that this isn't some ploy to have a injury hit team time to get ready?

Catch yourself on!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 03:22:35 PM
Wonder will clubs get same treatment for there championship ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on August 09, 2021, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 03:22:35 PM
Wonder will clubs get same treatment for there championship ?

I'd say if it was the likes of Corofin or any of the big Dublin clubs or maybe Ballyhale they would be treated the same as this but smaller clubs would be told to get on with it....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 09, 2021, 03:37:11 PM
I think it was the sensible decision but as with all things Covid we can await the usual 'Why can they do this but I can't do that?' melarkey.

It won't make a button of difference to the result though it just keeps Tyrone in the championship for a week longer.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 09, 2021, 03:39:47 PM
Kerry will be sending a few spies up to Tyrone to keep an eye on the self-isolaters!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tintin25 on August 09, 2021, 03:50:56 PM
It is the sensible decision and as a neutral I'd rather watch the match with both sides at full strength, but the double standards from HQ is a joke.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 09, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
AIF back being played in Sept - as it should be!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 09, 2021, 04:03:25 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man

Hahaha.. Gold!

Hopefully see both teams as strong as they can be. They'll be more outbreaks between now and the proposed final date. Club championships will be some craic
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 09, 2021, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man
So it's a 6 day delay, not exactly the full week ::)
And should a player be covid symptom afflicted, what essential difference do you think a 6 days delay would make?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: larryin89 on August 09, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 09, 2021, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man
So it's a 6 day delay, not exactly the full week ::)
And should a player be covid symptom afflicted, what essential difference do you think a 6 days delay would make?

Are you for real , six days plus the week already in isolation means the ten days required would be up
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 09, 2021, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man

Think the poster was saying a 6 day delay isn't going to help players recover. They will be out of isolation but won't be anywhere near fit. To stand a chance at making a game out of it all tyrone players would have to be fully fit.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 09, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 09, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 09, 2021, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man
So it's a 6 day delay, not exactly the full week ::)
And should a player be covid symptom afflicted, what essential difference do you think a 6 days delay would make?

Are you for real , six days plus the week already in isolation means the ten days required would be up

It's the players physical condition as opposed to Covid regulations Larry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 09, 2021, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 09, 2021, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man

Think the poster was saying a 6 day delay isn't going to help players recover. They will be out of isolation but won't be anywhere near fit. To stand a chance at making a game out of it all tyrone players would have to be fully fit.

This is the point.  I think some people are assuming that these guys are really fit and there will be no implications for fitness to play, that it is just an administrative problem around self-isolation. We talked about this on another thread.  Some players will have no symptoms, but there will be some who will be hit like a tonne of bricks and will take a while to recover. 

Looking at the stats, Covid is rampant in Tyrone and those players that have managed to avoid it will also be walking on eggshells for the next 10 days.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 06:38:56 PM

If covid affects them badly they could have serious problems

Tyrone should concede the game, this is a health crisis and this is an amateur sport.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 09, 2021, 06:54:06 PM
Should the GAA pay for both finalists to spend a week (or 10 days) in an isolated training camp, and reimburse players wages? I'd imagine both squads will likely be off work anyway the week before the final. If the final is postponed, that's a lot of things fecked up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 09, 2021, 07:01:15 PM
Of course, they're super careful in Kerry. Truth is that there are outbreaks all over Ireland. People are understandably letting the guard down and that could mean a friend, partner, relative, shop worker who has come into contact with a player.  Would you cancel a game if half a team had the flu? Under lights, we have to live with Covid and lean into our procedures, not exclude and continue to disrupt normal life. I'm sure there will be plenty of testing done before the match.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 09, 2021, 07:01:15 PM
Of course, they're super careful in Kerry. Truth is that there are outbreaks all over Ireland. People are understandably letting the guard down and that could mean a friend, partner, relative, shop worker who has come into contact with a player.  Would you cancel a game if half a team had the flu? Under lights, we have to live with Covid and lean into our procedures, not exclude and continue to disrupt normal life. I'm sure there will be plenty of testing done before the match.
Game wouldn't be postponed if there was a bout of food poisoning.
Tyrone should concede the game and prepare for next year fit healthy and undefeated in the 2021 championship
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 09, 2021, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 09, 2021, 07:01:15 PM


Of course, they're super careful in Kerry. Truth is that there are outbreaks all over Ireland. People are understandably letting the guard down and that could mean a friend, partner, relative, shop worker who has come into contact with a player.  Would you cancel a game if half a team had the flu? Under lights, we have to live with Covid and lean into our procedures, not exclude and continue to disrupt normal life. I'm sure there will be plenty of testing done before the match.
Game wouldn't be postponed if there was a bout of food poisoning.
Tyrone should concede the game and prepare for next year fit healthy and undefeated in the 2021 championship
So you have no faith in any of the procedures or testing?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results

I take it Croke will be asking to see those results, so that this isn't some ploy to have a injury hit team time to get ready?

Catch yourself on!

I'm jesting of course, Tyrone ones aren't cute hoors like thon Kerry wans.

but what struck me recently was I was pinged and had to self isolate, my company (rightly) asked to see the official pinged message, sure any aul eejit looking to play the system could say they have Covid.

At what stage does it become a non starter? Once the club championship get going there will be all sorts of games called off, I think last year we had teams that conceded because of it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 07:51:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results

I take it Croke will be asking to see those results, so that this isn't some ploy to have a injury hit team time to get ready?

Catch yourself on!

I'm jesting of course, Tyrone ones aren't cute hoors like thon Kerry wans.

but what struck me recently was I was pinged and had to self isolate, my company (rightly) asked to see the official pinged message, sure any aul eejit looking to play the system could say they have Covid.

At what stage does it become a non starter? Once the club championship get going there will be all sorts of games called off, I think last year we had teams that conceded because of it

Tyrone county board had a policy for league games of no team = no points. Could be interesting come championship time!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 09, 2021, 08:04:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 07:51:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 09, 2021, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 09, 2021, 03:08:57 PM
The All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final between Kerry and Tyrone has been postponed due to Covid-19 issues in the camp of the Ulster champions.

The game was due to be played this Sunday but has been re-arranged for Saturday 21 August, one day before the All-Ireland Hurling final.

Mayo play Dublin in the other semi-final this Saturday.

The All-Ireland Football final will now take place on Saturday, 4 September.

Tyrone GAA confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results

I take it Croke will be asking to see those results, so that this isn't some ploy to have a injury hit team time to get ready?

Catch yourself on!

I'm jesting of course, Tyrone ones aren't cute hoors like thon Kerry wans.

but what struck me recently was I was pinged and had to self isolate, my company (rightly) asked to see the official pinged message, sure any aul eejit looking to play the system could say they have Covid.

At what stage does it become a non starter? Once the club championship get going there will be all sorts of games called off, I think last year we had teams that conceded because of it

Tyrone county board had a policy for league games of no team = no points. Could be interesting come championship time!

As had practically every other Co board in the country ffs
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2021, 08:20:15 PM
Be interesting then to see if teams get an extra week for championship
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: David McKeown on August 09, 2021, 08:34:34 PM
I'm interested to know what the Threshold for a postponement is now. Armagh didn't get one when Hughes was missing. At least one team (I want to say Sligo) didn't get one last year and had to concede.  I've total sympathy for Tyrone and the position they are in and am glad to see the postponement but equally if I was one of the other counties who have been adversely impacted by Covid this year I'd be equally pissed off that it seems to be one rule for some counties and a different rule for others. I can see this being quite the rod for the back of the association.

It also really brings in to focus that Armagh Monaghan had to be played in the circumstances that it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: FermGael on August 09, 2021, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 09, 2021, 08:34:34 PM
I'm interested to know what the Threshold for a postponement is now. Armagh didn't get one when Hughes was missing. At least one team (I want to say Sligo) didn't get one last year and had to concede.  I've total sympathy for Tyrone and the position they are in and am glad to see the postponement but equally if I was one of the other counties who have been adversely impacted by Covid this year I'd be equally pissed off that it seems to be one rule for some counties and a different rule for others. I can see this being quite the rod for the back of the association.

It also really brings in to focus that Armagh Monaghan had to be played in the circumstances that it was.

Fermanagh had to play their crucial relegation game last year against Clare despite having had several players test positive.
No choice apparently .
Sligo were the same but they conceded.

I have every sympathy for Tyrone. 
But the rules have been changed as this is a marquee fixture.

The other question that also should be asked is how have so many Tyrone players been involved in this ?
Surely other counties have had outbreaks .Mayo and Armagh spring to mind in this year's championship.
I assume the Gaa has issued Covid protocols to every team .
What has happened in Tyrone that it is so bad ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: greatpoint on August 09, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
How did the Ulster Final go ahead if Tyrone were aware they had squad members exposed to COVID?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 09, 2021, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 09, 2021, 08:43:06 PM
Fermanagh had to play their crucial relegation game last year against Clare despite having had several players test positive.
No choice apparently .
Sligo were the same but they conceded.

I have every sympathy for Tyrone. 
But the rules have been changed as this is a marquee fixture.

The other question that also should be asked is how have so many Tyrone players been involved in this ?
Surely other counties have had outbreaks .Mayo and Armagh spring to mind in this year's championship.
I assume the Gaa has issued Covid protocols to every team .
What has happened in Tyrone that it is so bad ?

The later stage of the competition is important. If you allow first rounds be postponed, with a knock on effect on later rounds, then you could have the AI final ultimately delayed by several weeks. At this stage you can give them a week and hope that is all that is needed.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 09, 2021, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 09, 2021, 08:34:34 PM
I'm interested to know what the Threshold for a postponement is now. Armagh didn't get one when Hughes was missing. At least one team (I want to say Sligo) didn't get one last year and had to concede.  I've total sympathy for Tyrone and the position they are in and am glad to see the postponement but equally if I was one of the other counties who have been adversely impacted by Covid this year I'd be equally pissed off that it seems to be one rule for some counties and a different rule for others. I can see this being quite the rod for the back of the association.

It also really brings in to focus that Armagh Monaghan had to be played in the circumstances that it was.

Fermanagh had to play their crucial relegation game last year against Clare despite having had several players test positive.
No choice apparently .
Sligo were the same but they conceded.

I have every sympathy for Tyrone. 
But the rules have been changed as this is a marquee fixture.

The other question that also should be asked is how have so many Tyrone players been involved in this ?
Surely other counties have had outbreaks .Mayo and Armagh spring to mind in this year's championship.
I assume the Gaa has issued Covid protocols to every team .
What has happened in Tyrone that it is so bad ?

Lots of numbers being batted about on social media and WhatsApp

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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 09, 2021, 09:54:07 PM
Tyrone should forfeit and let Monaghan take on Kerry this Sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 09, 2021, 09:54:07 PM
Tyrone should forfeit and let Monaghan take on Kerry this Sunday

Probably be fair enough.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: larryin89 on August 09, 2021, 10:20:10 PM
I know perhaps 20 people who have had covid including members of my household and none wernt back to full health after isolation ,so chances are they will be grand .
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 09, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
What happens if Kerry get a few positive cases next week? Are they entitled to another weeks postponement? Have the GAA opened a can of worms by allowing the game to be postponed?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: SouthDublinBro on August 09, 2021, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 09, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
How did the Ulster Final go ahead if Tyrone were aware they had squad members exposed to COVID?

Tyrone took the risk that they could get that job done without 4 key players. Doesn't say much for Monaghan does it?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

Tyrone acted within the guidelines, anyone suggesting otherwise would need to be careful and be prepared to back it up with evidence in the court of law.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 09, 2021, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

Tyrone acted within the guidelines, anyone suggesting otherwise would need to be careful and be prepared to back it up with evidence in the court of law.

Shit just got real 😃😃
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 09, 2021, 11:29:36 PM
Walkover for Kerry?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-have-fresh-doubts-over-new-all-ireland-semi-final-date-40734708.html
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 10, 2021, 12:06:11 AM
The Tyrone county board have stated that they may be forced to withdraw from the All-Ireland championship due to concerns over player welfare.

The semi-final against Kerry has been put back for a week because of a number of Covid-19 cases within the Red Hand squad.

But Tyrone officials have warned that not enough time has been allowed for recovery and return to play.

County chairman Michael Kerr revealed that a request for a two-week postponement until the weekend of August 28/29 was turned down by Croke Park officials.

The clash with the Munster champions was originally scheduled for this Sunday, but has now been re-fixed for Saturday 21 August.

"This is about player welfare, and it's clear that our players will not be ready to engage in a high intensity championship game so soon after being directly affected by this virus," said Kerr.

He added that Tyrone may not be in a position to field a team for the eagerly-awaited clash with the Kingdom.

Kerr said a difficult decision will have to be taken, which could lead to a withdrawal from the All-Ireland series, and a bye to the final for Kerry.

"The welfare of the players is paramount. The management will not be making a decision until this weekend on whether we will be capable of fulfilling the fixture."

"We are grateful to have the opportunity to be able to field, but by the same token, disappointed that Croke Park have not given us sufficient time to prepare a proper challenge for Kerry."

Carrickmore clubman Kerr questioned Croke Park's position on limiting the postponement to one week.

"They have decided that the final should be pushed no further back than Saturday 4th of September, but if something similar was to happen in the meantime to any of the two panels competing in the final, that date would disappear into the twilight as well.

"While we appreciate the postponement, which now allows us to be able to field a team, our request to have the match put back until the following weekend would have allowed us to be able to field a team that would be properly prepared and be in a position to do itself justice in an All-Ireland semi-final.

"We are grateful to have the opportunity to be able to field, but by the same token, disappointed that Croke Park have not given us sufficient time to prepare a proper challenge for Kerry.

"We are also conscious of the fact that the situation is not an ideal one for Kerry, and the uncertainty creates difficulties for their preparations for this important game."

Meanwhile Kerry aired their "disappointment" at the decision to postpone the clash but accepted it was the right call.

"Today's announcement to postpone the Kerry v Tyrone semi-final is a disappointment to us all," said Kerry GAA chairman Tim Murphy.

"We are fully aware of the many Kerry supporters who had made plans to travel to Croke Park for Sunday's game.

"Notwithstanding this however we acknowledge that at we are all living in very challenging times and Covid continues to circulate in our communities necessitating the decision by the National CCCC to push the fixture out by six days."

Tyrone confirmed last weekend that "a number of players are self-isolating" as they awaited Covid-19 test results.

"Further to a number of positive Covid-19 tests with members of the Tyrone senior football panel and management, prior to last weekend's successful Ulster Championship final in Croke Park, it was decided to have all panellists and management tested for the virus," it read.

"While outcomes from these tests are awaited a number of players are self-isolating; it is anticipated that all outcomes will be known by Monday and preparations can then be made for the forthcoming All-Ireland semi-final with Kerry.

"During the past week Tyrone GAA has continued to comply, fully, with the guidelines and directives that have been issued by the Public Health Authority and by Croke Park."

A number of players and co-manager Feargal Logan missed the Ulster final win over Monaghan for Covid-related reasons.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 10, 2021, 12:19:35 AM
If Tyrone has a rake of players actually with Covid then you couldn't be waiting for them, some of the players could be banjaxed for weeks.  The deferment was designed to facilitate players required to isolate as contacts but who do not turn out to have Covid.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2021, 12:30:12 AM
Monaghan to re-enter the championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2021, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on August 09, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
How did the Ulster Final go ahead if Tyrone were aware they had squad members exposed to COVID?
They had members not in the match day squad.
They had management not involved on the day.
They followed the rules required.
How did you miss this? It was discussed In depth by most people who had a passing interest in the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 10, 2021, 03:52:03 AM
we might get a saturday final which is good dont play it later than 5pm tho
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 10, 2021, 06:39:18 AM
I hope you can back this up IN A COURT OF LAW viper. Under Lights will be in touch soon
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 10, 2021, 07:39:17 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 10, 2021, 03:52:03 AM
we might get a saturday final which is good dont play it later than 5pm tho
Gardai will have final say in that I presume. 5pm is the ideal time, but soccer team are already fixed to be playing a World Cup qualifier at 5pm in the Aviva. So likely either 3pm or 7pm. Will the Gardai request the earlier I wonder ?

I wonder would they revert back to the original date if Tyrone pull out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:43:37 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.
some craic you's Tyrone huers....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Oh no. Lock them up...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Oh no. Lock them up...

Nothing wrong with a drink they are are just right. Just no point people on here saying they went straight home after the game - who are they trying to fool?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 10, 2021, 08:15:56 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/ff63cd68-7281-4340-b1b6-5db3d891eaff

In the UK almost 38 per cent of people who contract Covid-19 are still dealing with one or more symptoms 12 weeks later, according to the React study undertaken by London's Imperial College.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Itchy on August 10, 2021, 08:18:47 AM
I am glad to see the GAA has improved their approach to COVID outbreaks and evolved from kicking Sligo out of the championship last year for being unable to field a team. I am sure this is a natural evolution of thought and not because Sligo are Div 4 no hopers and Kerry are big dogs and the perceived main challengers to Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2021, 08:23:41 AM
I forsee a Newbridge or nowhere type scenario rumbling.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on August 10, 2021, 08:41:40 AM
Sad times, a match a lot of people looking forward to.

Not to forget, and i presume this is the case, a lot of them cant train either. I see they requested 2 week postponement to denied, should they have got the 2 weeks?

Another soft all Ireland for Kerry if the match doesn't go ahead, just like all the All Irelands won in the 70s/80s.  ;)

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 10, 2021, 08:53:49 AM
6 days will hardly be enough for Tyrone.

How did so many involved become infected?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2021, 08:41:40 AM
Sad times, a match a lot of people looking forward to.

Not to forget, and i presume this is the case, a lot of them cant train either. I see they requested 2 week postponement to denied, should they have got the 2 weeks?

Another soft all Ireland for Kerry if the match doesn't go ahead, just like all the All Irelands won in the 70s/80s.  ;)

The difficulty for administrators here is that if they grant a 2 week furlough to Tyrone, and then Kerry fall similarly asunder just before the rescheduled fixture, then the same discretion would have to be applied to Kerry. And then we would end up not only with an AI final at the end of September, but a gap of 5 weeks for the winners of Mayo and Dublin to wait out.

There's no perfect way to do things with sport and Covid. Because no matter what you do, it's unfair.

Cruel as it may seem, I think we should always rule/fall in favour of teams who don't fall to Covid. Avoiding a small Covid outbreak is a matter of luck, no doubt at all. Avoiding a full scale team outbreak though probably requires more along the lines of commonsense / acceptance of the guidelines, than actual luck. These lads do not have to spend 8 hrs a day in a meat factory together.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2021, 08:41:40 AM
Sad times, a match a lot of people looking forward to.

Not to forget, and i presume this is the case, a lot of them cant train either. I see they requested 2 week postponement to denied, should they have got the 2 weeks?

Another soft all Ireland for Kerry if the match doesn't go ahead, just like all the All Irelands won in the 70s/80s.  ;)

The difficulty for administrators here is that if they grant a 2 week furlough to Tyrone, and then Kerry fall similarly asunder just before the rescheduled fixture, then the same discretion would have to be applied to Kerry. And then we would end up not only with an AI final at the end of September, but a gap of 5 weeks for the winners of Mayo and Dublin to wait out.

There's no perfect way to do things with sport and Covid. Because no matter what you do, it's unfair.

Cruel as it may seem, I think we should always rule/fall in favour of teams who don't fall to Covid. Avoiding a small Covid outbreak is a matter of luck, no doubt at all. Avoiding a full scale team outbreak though probably requires more along the lines of commonsense / acceptance of the guidelines, than actual luck. These lads do not have to spend 8 hrs a day in a meat factory together.

At least in a meat factory you can social distance... it is impossible to train GAA whilst social distancing, especially in the run up to an AI Semi.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
Nonsense. Avoid changing rooms, meeting rooms, and car sharing, and you'll be following guidance.

As a manager you may want a 3-hour video review session with 36 players and 10 back room staff all involved.

As a citizen of the world in the past 18 months, it should be easy enough to understand the potential consequences.

If people are unwilling to do things a little differently in Covid times, then they shouldn't be doing things at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: wobbller on August 10, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
Nonsense. Avoid changing rooms, meeting rooms, and car sharing, and you'll be following guidance.

As a manager you may want a 3-hour video review session with 36 players and 10 back room staff all involved.

As a citizen of the world in the past 18 months, it should be easy enough to understand the potential consequences.

If people are unwilling to do things a little differently in Covid times, then they shouldn't be doing things at all.
My cousin speaks a lot of sense here. Follow the Rules and it generally works out.Break them and it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 09:28:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
Nonsense. Avoid changing rooms, meeting rooms, and car sharing, and you'll be following guidance.

As a manager you may want a 3-hour video review session with 36 players and 10 back room staff all involved.

As a citizen of the world in the past 18 months, it should be easy enough to understand the potential consequences.

If people are unwilling to do things a little differently in Covid times, then they shouldn't be doing things at all.

Avoid all contact, wear a mask and keep 2m distance as well don't forget. Impossible to do.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 10, 2021, 09:35:42 AM
I feel like Tyrone will concede and Kerry will progress. This would be the proper action given the health circumstances. Sad to miss out on AI semi final but it's only a game and there is always next year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Cancel the championship and split the all ireland four ways. It's the only logical outcome. Player welfare is more important.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Cancel the championship and split the all ireland four ways. It's the only logical outcome. Player welfare is more important.

I agree. I also believe the four MOTM from the provincial finals should split the POTY award four ways. Only fair. Either that or give it to Darren McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hereiam on August 10, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 10, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2021, 08:41:40 AM
Sad times, a match a lot of people looking forward to.

Not to forget, and i presume this is the case, a lot of them cant train either. I see they requested 2 week postponement to denied, should they have got the 2 weeks?

Another soft all Ireland for Kerry if the match doesn't go ahead, just like all the All Irelands won in the 70s/80s.  ;)

The difficulty for administrators here is that if they grant a 2 week furlough to Tyrone, and then Kerry fall similarly asunder just before the rescheduled fixture, then the same discretion would have to be applied to Kerry. And then we would end up not only with an AI final at the end of September, but a gap of 5 weeks for the winners of Mayo and Dublin to wait out.

There's no perfect way to do things with sport and Covid. Because no matter what you do, it's unfair.

Cruel as it may seem, I think we should always rule/fall in favour of teams who don't fall to Covid. Avoiding a small Covid outbreak is a matter of luck, no doubt at all. Avoiding a full scale team outbreak though probably requires more along the lines of commonsense / acceptance of the guidelines, than actual luck. These lads do not have to spend 8 hrs a day in a meat factory together.

Seems like a bridge to cross if we come to it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Oh no. Lock them up...

Nothing wrong with a drink they are are just right. Just no point people on here saying they went straight home after the game - who are they trying to fool?
Agreed! Jaysus they're after winning an Ulster championship after beating last years champions then 2 massive battles against Donegal and Monaghan. If they can't celebrate that then what is the point playing football! Ulster titles still mean something unlike Leinsters! And for the covid police, pubs are open so dont be yapping...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cavan19 on August 10, 2021, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Oh no. Lock them up...

Nothing wrong with a drink they are are just right. Just no point people on here saying they went straight home after the game - who are they trying to fool?
Agreed! Jaysus they're after winning an Ulster championship after beating last years champions then 2 massive battles against Donegal and Monaghan. If they can't celebrate that then what is the point playing football! Ulster titles still mean something unlike Leinsters! And for the covid police, pubs are open so dont be yapping...

This is not a normal year though a bit or restraint would have done no harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 10, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID

As usual, pubs are an easy target for identifying Covid spread.

Meeting rooms and changing rooms seem to get off easy.

f**k knows why.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 10, 2021, 10:11:14 AM
A major county cannot simply concede, there is only one way forward for Tyrone
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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on August 10, 2021, 10:17:59 AM

I'm not sure how we can be so far into this pandemic, with all of the learning and best practice that goes with that, and there are still so many people unsure about what is and is not a risk of exposure around spot.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 10, 2021, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 10, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID

As usual, pubs are an easy target for identifying Covid spread.

Meeting rooms and changing rooms seem to get off easy.

f**k knows why.

I think you do know why. A meeting could be held in a large room with plenty of space between people (although it should probably be on Zoom), at least some changing rooms are well ventilated. But above all you could be in a pub for a much longer time and mingling with other people who perhaps do not have the motivation to avoid Covid in order to play in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Itchy on August 10, 2021, 10:27:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2021, 08:41:40 AM
Sad times, a match a lot of people looking forward to.

Not to forget, and i presume this is the case, a lot of them cant train either. I see they requested 2 week postponement to denied, should they have got the 2 weeks?

Another soft all Ireland for Kerry if the match doesn't go ahead, just like all the All Irelands won in the 70s/80s.  ;)

The difficulty for administrators here is that if they grant a 2 week furlough to Tyrone, and then Kerry fall similarly asunder just before the rescheduled fixture, then the same discretion would have to be applied to Kerry. And then we would end up not only with an AI final at the end of September, but a gap of 5 weeks for the winners of Mayo and Dublin to wait out.

There's no perfect way to do things with sport and Covid. Because no matter what you do, it's unfair.

Cruel as it may seem, I think we should always rule/fall in favour of teams who don't fall to Covid. Avoiding a small Covid outbreak is a matter of luck, no doubt at all. Avoiding a full scale team outbreak though probably requires more along the lines of commonsense / acceptance of the guidelines, than actual luck. These lads do not have to spend 8 hrs a day in a meat factory together.

At least in a meat factory you can social distance... it is impossible to train GAA whilst social distancing, especially in the run up to an AI Semi.

Thats not true. Hardly any evidence of transmission outdoors. Its indoor meetings etc that cause the problems.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: skeog on August 10, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
UK rules on covid being quoted have we not rules of our own?.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2021, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No.

Do you really think 20 odd lads as well god knows how many backroom staff are faking covid tests, opting out of training and work, just to be part of some big conspiracy to get a few lads another week at recovery.

Of course, none of this would make sense as you're preventing another 20 from training this week as a result of your plot.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 10, 2021, 11:36:08 AM
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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on August 10, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Just on this one, what does happen if the Kerry camp come down with a lot of cases as has happened here on the week of the game?

Out of the 30 odd players how many have covid that they couldn't field a team?
I know it wouldn't be their strongest team, but is that not what a panel of players is for ffs?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?

You ever heard of Instagram Jimbob? Probably be hard from all the way up on your high horse there
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 10, 2021, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

Definitely not and btw this was predicatable and it is a definitely a player welfare issue as was discussed in previous posts. 

Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.
Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!

1 of the guys I know who was hit with it is an absolute machine. As fit a man as I know. For a few weeks after the all clear was really struggling APM

Spot on! An extra week will be of limited benefit to any player in that position depending on when they test positive. You will also have guys that will just want to get out and play and say that they are better. Not a good place to be in for a management team.


Someone mentioned the Newbridge or Nowhere scenario up above.  There is no way it will come to that. 
For a start, these are two totally different scenarios.  The Newbridge issue was patently unjust and Kildare were absolutely correct in challenging it. 

There will be sympathy for the predicament that Tyrone is in and setting the game back 1 week gives them a chance to field, but the impacted players will definitely not be right.  As someone said above, that is why you have a panel.

However, if Tyrone challenge this and get an additional week, then what happens if Kerry lose the two Cliffords to Covid for the refixture.  Would Tyrone offer Kerry another fortnight for the lads to recover. 

The GAA were pragmatic in moving the fixture by one week and it is probably the right thing to do.  In some ways they shouldn't have moved it at all because it sets a precedent.  However, you can definitely not have a further precedent set by Tyrone successfully challenging that decision, otherwise where does it stop.

What are considered sufficient grounds to push the game back?

They should fulfill the fixture with a weakened team or just concede a walkover, which you wouldn't want to see.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2021, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Oh no. Lock them up...

Nothing wrong with a drink they are are just right. Just no point people on here saying they went straight home after the game - who are they trying to fool?
Agreed! Jaysus they're after winning an Ulster championship after beating last years champions then 2 massive battles against Donegal and Monaghan. If they can't celebrate that then what is the point playing football! Ulster titles still mean something unlike Leinsters! And for the covid police, pubs are open so dont be yapping...

This is not a normal year though a bit or restraint would have done no harm.
I'm sure Cavan didnt celebrate last year at all;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 10, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID

As usual, pubs are an easy target for identifying Covid spread.

Meeting rooms and changing rooms seem to get off easy.

f**k knows why.
Kill joys. That is literally it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Itchy on August 10, 2021, 12:18:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2021, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.
Oh no. Lock them up...

Nothing wrong with a drink they are are just right. Just no point people on here saying they went straight home after the game - who are they trying to fool?
Agreed! Jaysus they're after winning an Ulster championship after beating last years champions then 2 massive battles against Donegal and Monaghan. If they can't celebrate that then what is the point playing football! Ulster titles still mean something unlike Leinsters! And for the covid police, pubs are open so dont be yapping...

This is not a normal year though a bit or restraint would have done no harm.
I'm sure Cavan didnt celebrate last year at all;)

Dont think they did, pubs were all closed. They also had a big COVID problem in the camp at the start up of the league so probably learned there lessons there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 10, 2021, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Gaafan2 on August 10, 2021, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 10, 2021, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on August 10, 2021, 09:45:12 AM
The fact the Tyrone lads went on the rip in Pomeroy the night after the ulster final wont have helped curtail the spread of COVID

As usual, pubs are an easy target for identifying Covid spread.

Meeting rooms and changing rooms seem to get off easy.

f**k knows why.
Kill joys. That is literally it.

Do people actually think covid spread through the tyrone camp the night of the ulster final?

Covid had already taken hold the week prior to this and would have spread at team meetings, training, huddles etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Lets be honest, not many gave Tyrone a chance before this Covid outbreak and even less so now. There is no point in pretending that Tyrone were anything but huge outsiders to win the match to begin with.

As far as taking their medicine the GAA made a fair and reasonable decision to postpone the game by a week. You seem to suggest that the game should be deferred until all of the Tyrone players have fully recovered. So the competition should basically come to a standstill just to placate Tyrone? The 3 other county squads left in the competition will have tailored their seasons to peak at this stage of the championship whilst club players in the 4 remaining counties will be forced to sit on their hands as they wait on Tyrone county players to recover fully so that the AI championship can be completed.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Lets be honest, not many gave Tyrone a chance before this Covid outbreak and even less so now. There is no point in pretending that Tyrone were anything but huge outsiders to win the match to begin with.

As far as taking their medicine the GAA made a fair and reasonable decision to postpone the game by a week. You seem to suggest that the game should be deferred until all of the Tyrone players have fully recovered. So the competition should basically come to a standstill just to placate Tyrone? The 3 other county squads left in the competition will have tailored their seasons to peak at this stage of the championship whilst club players in the 4 remaining counties will be forced to sit on their hands as they wait on Tyrone county players to recover fully so that the AI championship can be completed.

How fair and reasonable a decision is it to postpone the game by a week?  Have the GAA made this decision based on advice received from medical experts?  Going by what I know, and I am far from an expert, there is no way that these players would be 100% within a mere 7 days.  I would argue that the decision to postpone is far from fair and reasonable.

As for waiting, of course they should wait, this is not a standard injury situation and for all we know the players would play and are capable of playing but ultimately there are regulations to adhere to.  Say for talks sake the Tyrone players are all feeling grand and ready to rock, they are not the ones making the calls as to playing the game.  Things haven't been running according to plan in any way of life since the pandemic started, including the GAA.  But you reckon that should all change now and set dates etc. are made irrelevant of the various scenarios that will arise?

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 01:14:57 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Lets be honest, not many gave Tyrone a chance before this Covid outbreak and even less so now. There is no point in pretending that Tyrone were anything but huge outsiders to win the match to begin with.

As far as taking their medicine the GAA made a fair and reasonable decision to postpone the game by a week. You seem to suggest that the game should be deferred until all of the Tyrone players have fully recovered. So the competition should basically come to a standstill just to placate Tyrone? The 3 other county squads left in the competition will have tailored their seasons to peak at this stage of the championship whilst club players in the 4 remaining counties will be forced to sit on their hands as they wait on Tyrone county players to recover fully so that the AI championship can be completed.

How fair and reasonable a decision is it to postpone the game by a week?  Have the GAA made this decision based on advice received from medical experts?  Going by what I know, and I am far from an expert, there is no way that these players would be 100% within a mere 7 days.  I would argue that the decision to postpone is far from fair and reasonable.

As for waiting, of course they should wait, this is not a standard injury situation and for all we know the players would play and are capable of playing but ultimately there are regulations to adhere to.  Say for talks sake the Tyrone players are all feeling grand and ready to rock, they are not the ones making the calls as to playing the game.  Things haven't been running according to plan in any way of life since the pandemic started, including the GAA.  But you reckon that should all change now and set dates etc. are made irrelevant of the various scenarios that will arise?

I'm not a medical expert either and Tyrone are likely to be without some players or at best some players will not have fully recovered but that's just bad luck. Players can get sick anytime, bereavements can occur and players can get injured these things happen all the time. That doesn't mean that games should be indefinitely postponed until they recover.

Another postponement won't happen anyway and nor will Tyrone withdraw from the championship even if they have to field a weakened team. You need to take off the red and white glasses.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They’ve got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they’re trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Lets be honest, not many gave Tyrone a chance before this Covid outbreak and even less so now. There is no point in pretending that Tyrone were anything but huge outsiders to win the match to begin with.

As far as taking their medicine the GAA made a fair and reasonable decision to postpone the game by a week. You seem to suggest that the game should be deferred until all of the Tyrone players have fully recovered. So the competition should basically come to a standstill just to placate Tyrone? The 3 other county squads left in the competition will have tailored their seasons to peak at this stage of the championship whilst club players in the 4 remaining counties will be forced to sit on their hands as they wait on Tyrone county players to recover fully so that the AI championship can be completed.

How fair and reasonable a decision is it to postpone the game by a week?  Have the GAA made this decision based on advice received from medical experts?  Going by what I know, and I am far from an expert, there is no way that these players would be 100% within a mere 7 days.  I would argue that the decision to postpone is far from fair and reasonable.

As for waiting, of course they should wait, this is not a standard injury situation and for all we know the players would play and are capable of playing but ultimately there are regulations to adhere to.  Say for talks sake the Tyrone players are all feeling grand and ready to rock, they are not the ones making the calls as to playing the game.  Things haven't been running according to plan in any way of life since the pandemic started, including the GAA.  But you reckon that should all change now and set dates etc. are made irrelevant of the various scenarios that will arise?

There is definitely some people in this thread whose children, if they are anything like their parents, will be getting 3 Ds in their a levels today. It's not 7 days it is an extra 7 days. If the outbreak occurred on Sunday, then it will be 13 days until the game - not a 'mere 7'.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?

You ever heard of Instagram Jimbob? Probably be hard from all the way up on your high horse there

Did aye....what's the connection? Post evidence of your claims or buck up!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?

You ever heard of Instagram Jimbob? Probably be hard from all the way up on your high horse there

Did aye....what's the connection? Post evidence of your claims or buck up!

You of all people should know naming and shaming ain't welcome here. But the evidence ain't hard to find old man! Getting off your high horse and your laptop would be a start maybe even get a day's work out of you.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Lets be honest, not many gave Tyrone a chance before this Covid outbreak and even less so now. There is no point in pretending that Tyrone were anything but huge outsiders to win the match to begin with.

As far as taking their medicine the GAA made a fair and reasonable decision to postpone the game by a week. You seem to suggest that the game should be deferred until all of the Tyrone players have fully recovered. So the competition should basically come to a standstill just to placate Tyrone? The 3 other county squads left in the competition will have tailored their seasons to peak at this stage of the championship whilst club players in the 4 remaining counties will be forced to sit on their hands as they wait on Tyrone county players to recover fully so that the AI championship can be completed.

How fair and reasonable a decision is it to postpone the game by a week?  Have the GAA made this decision based on advice received from medical experts?  Going by what I know, and I am far from an expert, there is no way that these players would be 100% within a mere 7 days.  I would argue that the decision to postpone is far from fair and reasonable.

As for waiting, of course they should wait, this is not a standard injury situation and for all we know the players would play and are capable of playing but ultimately there are regulations to adhere to.  Say for talks sake the Tyrone players are all feeling grand and ready to rock, they are not the ones making the calls as to playing the game.  Things haven't been running according to plan in any way of life since the pandemic started, including the GAA.  But you reckon that should all change now and set dates etc. are made irrelevant of the various scenarios that will arise?

There is definitely some people in this thread whose children, if they are anything like their parents, will be getting 3 Ds in their a levels today. It's not 7 days it is an extra 7 days. If the outbreak occurred on Sunday, then it will be 13 days until the game - not a 'mere 7'.

I'm not old enough to have children doing A-Levels kid and if I have children that do A-Levels they won't be getting 3 D's.  I haven't read too much on the specifics of the outbreak and when it was detected etc, but I would imagine that an extra 7 days isn't going to make much of a difference to the recovery process for any players who have suffered badly with this.  Its not only the recovery process though that needs to be taken into account, its the preparation that has been missed in the interim.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 01:14:57 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 10, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

No, it's definitely not made up but they should just be grateful for the extra week and take their medicine. The rest of the country can't wait until they all fully recover before the game is played. They were never going to beat Kerry anyway even at full health but I'd say neither is there a cat in hells chance of them withdrawing from the championship no matter what side takes the field. It just allows them to get their excuse in early.

Of course they could beat Kerry, don't know where this new view on Kerry has came from that they have suddenly turned unbeatable over night.

Take their medicine?  The rest of the country can wait, who cares when it is played really.  Last year the wait was even longer.  Why should they be grateful of the extra week?  We are in a pandemic and millions have died yet Tyrone should just man up and play on?  Even if the are asymptomatic their performance levels will not be the same, so I would say the GAA has yet again let itself down with regard to player welfare in only giving Tyrone a week to recover.  In saying that, Tyrone have got better treatment than other counties over the past few seasons but that is again down to the dollars involved.

Lets be honest, not many gave Tyrone a chance before this Covid outbreak and even less so now. There is no point in pretending that Tyrone were anything but huge outsiders to win the match to begin with.

As far as taking their medicine the GAA made a fair and reasonable decision to postpone the game by a week. You seem to suggest that the game should be deferred until all of the Tyrone players have fully recovered. So the competition should basically come to a standstill just to placate Tyrone? The 3 other county squads left in the competition will have tailored their seasons to peak at this stage of the championship whilst club players in the 4 remaining counties will be forced to sit on their hands as they wait on Tyrone county players to recover fully so that the AI championship can be completed.

How fair and reasonable a decision is it to postpone the game by a week?  Have the GAA made this decision based on advice received from medical experts?  Going by what I know, and I am far from an expert, there is no way that these players would be 100% within a mere 7 days.  I would argue that the decision to postpone is far from fair and reasonable.

As for waiting, of course they should wait, this is not a standard injury situation and for all we know the players would play and are capable of playing but ultimately there are regulations to adhere to.  Say for talks sake the Tyrone players are all feeling grand and ready to rock, they are not the ones making the calls as to playing the game.  Things haven't been running according to plan in any way of life since the pandemic started, including the GAA.  But you reckon that should all change now and set dates etc. are made irrelevant of the various scenarios that will arise?

I'm not a medical expert either and Tyrone are likely to be without some players or at best some players will not have fully recovered but that's just bad luck. Players can get sick anytime, bereavements can occur and players can get injured these things happen all the time. That doesn't mean that games should be indefinitely postponed until they recover.

Another postponement won't happen anyway and nor will Tyrone withdraw from the championship even if they have to field a weakened team. You need to take off the red and white glasses.

Players can get sick, people die etc.  But the difference here is that for all we know the players in question are feeling 100% and want to play, but they will not be allowed to.  That is a world away from being injured or having to go to a funeral.  This is not a standard situation and in cases like this or the example I mentioned, a team shouldn't be punished if a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.  I would have the same view irrelevant of the county involved and I had the same view when Fermanagh were impacted in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2021, 02:37:58 PM
Turning into a farce now, I understand Tyrone and their fans and what this means to them, but this could be a longer period of isolation than what's required.

Do the non vaccers from Tyrone want the game to just go ahead?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2021, 02:37:58 PM
Turning into a farce now, I understand Tyrone and their fans and what this means to them, but this could be a longer period of isolation than what's required.

Do the non vaccers from Tyrone want the game to just go ahead?

Claim it's becoming a farce then ask a question like that? 3 o clock on a Tuesday is a strange time to go fishing
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2021, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2021, 02:37:58 PM
Turning into a farce now, I understand Tyrone and their fans and what this means to them, but this could be a longer period of isolation than what's required.

Do the non vaccers from Tyrone want the game to just go ahead?

Claim it's becoming a farce then ask a question like that? 3 o clock on a Tuesday is a strange time to go fishing


First bite
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 10, 2021, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 02:16:33 PM

Players can get sick, people die etc.  But the difference here is that for all we know the players in question are feeling 100% and want to play, but they will not be allowed to.  That is a world away from being injured or having to go to a funeral.  This is not a standard situation and in cases like this or the example I mentioned, a team shouldn't be punished if a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.  I would have the same view irrelevant of the county involved and I had the same view when Fermanagh were impacted in the league.

Based on the statements made by the GAA and by Tyrone CB, I don't think what you are saying is completely correct

Tyrone would not be able to filed a team this week, but they fully expect to be able to field a team next week. The reason they want an extra week on top of that is to be "properly prepared and be in a position to do itself justice". So the team isn't being  punished because a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 10, 2021, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 02:16:33 PM

Players can get sick, people die etc.  But the difference here is that for all we know the players in question are feeling 100% and want to play, but they will not be allowed to.  That is a world away from being injured or having to go to a funeral.  This is not a standard situation and in cases like this or the example I mentioned, a team shouldn't be punished if a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.  I would have the same view irrelevant of the county involved and I had the same view when Fermanagh were impacted in the league.

Based on the statements made by the GAA and by Tyrone CB, I don't think what you are saying is completely correct

Tyrone would not be able to filed a team this week, but they fully expect to be able to field a team next week. The reason they want an extra week on top of that is to be "properly prepared and be in a position to do itself justice". So the team isn't being  punished because a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.

As I said, not sure of the specifics i.e. how many players have been confirmed as positive, what condition are they in etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 10, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 10, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 09, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 09, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
So did Tyrone players celebrate after winning ulster? If they did then they are to blame themselves for outbreak.
Why if knowing there was covid in camp did they all not get tested in days leading up to ulster final? Was this to avoid any more missing game? If so likely some were playing with covid! The explosion of cases could have possibly been prevented if proper test and tracing was done at start. Not 2 weeks nearly later!

They went straight home after the game..no celebrating done.  No one with covid played in the Ulster Final. There was proper test and tracing done.

Completely false statement. Some out and about drinking after.

Did you witness this , if so where , or are you just a Tyrone hater?

You ever heard of Instagram Jimbob? Probably be hard from all the way up on your high horse there

Did aye....what's the connection? Post evidence of your claims or buck up!

You of all people should know naming and shaming ain't welcome here. But the evidence ain't hard to find old man! Getting off your high horse and your laptop would be a start maybe even get a day's work out of you.

Bluffer....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 10, 2021, 09:42:08 PM
Since this young Kerry crop have started coming through who have they bet?

- 2017: knocked out by Mayo
- 2018: bet by Galway, knocked out in super 8s
- 2019: scrape by Tyrone, bet by Dublin
- 2020: don't make it out of Munster

It's hard to see Tyrone beat them now, but an All Ireland I could see them getting done on the day- by Dublin or Mayo

Only made the semi final once in the last three seasons
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 11, 2021, 01:42:15 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 10, 2021, 09:42:08 PM
Since this young Kerry crop have started coming through who have they bet?

- 2017: knocked out by Mayo
- 2018: bet by Galway, knocked out in super 8s
- 2019: scrape by Tyrone, bet by Dublin
- 2020: don't make it out of Munster

It's hard to see Tyrone beat them now, but an All Ireland I could see them getting done on the day- by Dublin or Mayo

Only made the semi final once in the last three seasons

Ah, but you don't understand.........this is Kerry.

Kerry teams (no matter how bad) always have a chance of winning an AI.
Mayo teams (no matter how good) always have a chance of Losing an AI.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 11, 2021, 06:13:15 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 10, 2021, 09:42:08 PM
Since this young Kerry crop have started coming through who have they bet?

- 2017: knocked out by Mayo
- 2018: bet by Galway, knocked out in super 8s
- 2019: scrape by Tyrone, bet by Dublin
- 2020: don't make it out of Munster

It's hard to see Tyrone beat them now, but an All Ireland I could see them getting done on the day- by Dublin or Mayo

Only made the semi final once in the last three seasons

Two words : DAVID CLIFFORD
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 06:49:29 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 10, 2021, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 02:16:33 PM

Players can get sick, people die etc.  But the difference here is that for all we know the players in question are feeling 100% and want to play, but they will not be allowed to.  That is a world away from being injured or having to go to a funeral.  This is not a standard situation and in cases like this or the example I mentioned, a team shouldn't be punished if a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.  I would have the same view irrelevant of the county involved and I had the same view when Fermanagh were impacted in the league.

Based on the statements made by the GAA and by Tyrone CB, I don't think what you are saying is completely correct

Tyrone would not be able to filed a team this week, but they fully expect to be able to field a team next week. The reason they want an extra week on top of that is to be "properly prepared and be in a position to do itself justice". So the team isn't being  punished because a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.

As I said, not sure of the specifics i.e. how many players have been confirmed as positive, what condition are they in etc.

20 players have been confirmed to have tested positive. It was on cool fm news on Mon.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 11, 2021, 10:37:58 AM
Front page of the Irish News today... McCrossan and McElduff putting the pressure on for further delay to the semi-final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge.

What you're basically saying here, whether you mean it or not, is that adults simply cannot be trusted to assess their own physical well-being during this pandemic.

If this is how you feel, then the only suitable solution is to cancel all games at all adult levels until the pandemic has been eradicated.

If not, I'd love to know how you are drawing grey lines to suit a different narrative.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on August 11, 2021, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 06:49:29 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 04:35:13 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 10, 2021, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 10, 2021, 02:16:33 PM

Players can get sick, people die etc.  But the difference here is that for all we know the players in question are feeling 100% and want to play, but they will not be allowed to.  That is a world away from being injured or having to go to a funeral.  This is not a standard situation and in cases like this or the example I mentioned, a team shouldn't be punished if a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.  I would have the same view irrelevant of the county involved and I had the same view when Fermanagh were impacted in the league.

Based on the statements made by the GAA and by Tyrone CB, I don't think what you are saying is completely correct

Tyrone would not be able to filed a team this week, but they fully expect to be able to field a team next week. The reason they want an extra week on top of that is to be "properly prepared and be in a position to do itself justice". So the team isn't being  punished because a public health body does not permit a willing player(s) to play.

As I said, not sure of the specifics i.e. how many players have been confirmed as positive, what condition are they in etc.

20 players have been confirmed to have tested positive. It was on cool fm news on Mon.

I heard 6 players, on the radio this morning??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge.

What you're basically saying here, whether you mean it or not, is that adults simply cannot be trusted to assess their own physical well-being during this pandemic.

If this is how you feel, then the only suitable solution is to cancel all games at all adult levels until the pandemic has been eradicated.

If not, I'd love to know how you are drawing grey lines to suit a different narrative.

I do know that 2 weeks isn't enough to be sure someone is over the effects of Covid. If it was one or two players (or even 5 like the ulster final) then so be it but when nearly half the squad is infected then the pressure to play a player who isn't ready increases and chances of a complication rises. There are grey lines all over the feckin place with this virus but a definite red line is putting a player at risk for he sake of maybe 7 days and a bit of admin. But your earlier comment on player welfare shows where you are at so we are probably not going to agree on this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2021, 11:01:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge.

Lets say a player breaks his leg and after 6 weeks in plaster resumes light training, building up to a level were he may be fit for a game,  say an All Ireland semifinal, the doctors and fitness coach make the decisions as to whether the player is match fit or not, he may never get match fit depending on the injury or type of rehab required.

The virus or dealing with the virus afterwards should be dealt accordingly, the doctor and fitness coach carry out a fitness test to see if he is match fit, only then should he play. That's putting the welfare of the player as top priority. Letting a player decide if he's fit is what happens at junior b.

Any county that allows its players to just get on with it, is taking awful risks with peoples long term health
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:03:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2021, 11:01:29 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge.

Lets say a player breaks his leg and after 6 weeks in plaster resumes light training, building up to a level were he may be fit for a game,  say an All Ireland semifinal, the doctors and fitness coach make the decisions as to whether the player is match fit or not, he may never get match fit depending on the injury or type of rehab required.

The virus or dealing with the virus afterwards should be dealt accordingly, the doctor and fitness coach carry out a fitness test to see if he is match fit, only then should he play. That's putting the welfare of the player as top priority. Letting a player decide if he's fit is what happens at junior b.

Any county that allows its players to just get on with it, is taking awful risks with peoples long term health

And this would be relevant if half the squad had broken legs - the extra time will give more players a chance to recover - Tyrone may still have to field without key men, but you have to take the risk seriously
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
Benny honestly I think you're tying yourself up in knots. You're either unwilling or unable to differentiate between Tyrone's county team and every other GAA team.

The situation surrounding Tyrone at present will be repeated up and down the country during club championship season. There will be a constant succession of clubs enduring a Covid breakout,  touched by Covid, recovering from a touch of Covid, recovering from a Covid breakout.

It's not just a "bit of admin". It's a f**king minefield of cheating, horseplay, bad luck, equality and equity that might never end.

GAA has a simple choice, same as has been made in every other sport across these islands. "Do we want sport when Covid is about?".

You seem to want to answer "yes, but only when there's no Covid about".
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 11, 2021, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 11, 2021, 06:13:15 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 10, 2021, 09:42:08 PM
Since this young Kerry crop have started coming through who have they bet?

- 2017: knocked out by Mayo
- 2018: bet by Galway, knocked out in super 8s
- 2019: scrape by Tyrone, bet by Dublin
- 2020: don't make it out of Munster

It's hard to see Tyrone beat them now, but an All Ireland I could see them getting done on the day- by Dublin or Mayo

Only made the semi final once in the last three seasons

Two words : DAVID CLIFFORD

Clifford mustn't have played in any of those previous seasons that were identified.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 11, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Of course they have a right to use the player welfare card.  At any point previous within the pandemic, there was no outbreaks within the squad - there is an outbreak now and forcing the players to play when potentially not fully recovered is a risk to their health.

As for them being audacious in highlighting concerns over the players welfare, the sharing of changing rooms, weights rooms etc. is what is required to play the game and I'm sure there were measures put in place to reduce the risk of transmission.  These activities commenced once the GAA re-started competitions last season and I'm sure Tyrone, along with the other counties, followed the guidelines provided as to how to facilitate training sessions, meetings etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 11, 2021, 11:27:41 AM
I am only scanning this thread here but how many players have been confirmed to have the virus?
In other counties there were individual cases, but there was testing going on all the time that picked up asymptomatic lads who sat it out for a week or so.

I am not wummin' here, but are the counties still not testing all the time in case?

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 11, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Of course they have a right to use the player welfare card.  At any point previous within the pandemic, there was no outbreaks within the squad - there is an outbreak now and forcing the players to play when potentially not fully recovered is a risk to their health.

As for them being audacious in highlighting concerns over the players welfare, the sharing of changing rooms, weights rooms etc. is what is required to play the game and I'm sure there were measures put in place to reduce the risk of transmission.  These activities commenced once the GAA re-started competitions last season and I'm sure Tyrone, along with the other counties, followed the guidelines provided as to how to facilitate training sessions, meetings etc.

No one is forcing anyone to play, this is it and completely lost on some posters, the team doctor and fitness coach make that decision, if a players is unfit to play or has health issues that would mean long term could cause things to be worse then that sole decision falls to the team doctor and no one else.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Snapchap on August 11, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Player welfare isn't a "card" being played. The management have a responsibility to be conscious of the long-term health of their players. If you are suggesting they broke covid rules, come out and say so (with the proof, obviously). If not, then cop yourself on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 11, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Of course they have a right to use the player welfare card.  At any point previous within the pandemic, there was no outbreaks within the squad - there is an outbreak now and forcing the players to play when potentially not fully recovered is a risk to their health.

As for them being audacious in highlighting concerns over the players welfare, the sharing of changing rooms, weights rooms etc. is what is required to play the game and I'm sure there were measures put in place to reduce the risk of transmission.  These activities commenced once the GAA re-started competitions last season and I'm sure Tyrone, along with the other counties, followed the guidelines provided as to how to facilitate training sessions, meetings etc.

I really don't think you're grasping what this approach leads to.

If we get to the point that teams can emotionally blackmail administrators, by pulling out the player welfare card when they don't get the perfect outcome, then we should shut the sport down. As it won't be played anyway.

Croke Park was extraordinarily generous to Tyrone in moving the tie back 6 days. They didn't have to, and it sets them a dangerous precedent which will, over the next few months almost certainly culminate in DRA hearings for club championship ejections.

Tyrone should have thanked their blessings.

But no. Let's not do that. Let's try for the emotional highground instead and try to bully the association into presenting a perfect path.

It's vile.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 11, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Player welfare isn't a "card" being played. The management have a responsibility to be conscious of the long-term health of their players. If you are suggesting they broke covid rules, come out and say so (with the proof, obviously). If not, then cop yourself on.

I'm not suggesting they broke the rules.

I'm telling anyone who'll listen that teams who have been meeting up regularly indoors during the pandemic - even if they've been given permission to - need to have a good f**king look at themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 11, 2021, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 11, 2021, 11:27:41 AM
I am only scanning this thread here but how many players have been confirmed to have the virus?
In other counties there were individual cases, but there was testing going on all the time that picked up asymptomatic lads who sat it out for a week or so.

I am not wummin' here, but are the counties still not testing all the time in case?

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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2021, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 11, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Player welfare isn't a "card" being played. The management have a responsibility to be conscious of the long-term health of their players. If you are suggesting they broke covid rules, come out and say so (with the proof, obviously). If not, then cop yourself on.

I'm not suggesting they broke the rules.

I'm telling anyone who'll listen that teams who have been meeting up regularly indoors during the pandemic - even if they've been given permission to - need to have a good f**king look at themselves.

Everyone knows the protocols by now. The minute that they identified a positive case within the squad they should have been put on additional high alert around these protocols. It begs all sorts of question around how rigidly these were adhered to. Were there players who played the Ulster final who should have been in isolation around that time? If the outbreaks intensified around the time of the Ulster final then Tyrone have to look inwardly at themselves and whether they applied the correct safeguards.

Trying to play the victim here having already been granted an extra week will not cut any mustard. It's bad luck but this will likely only be the beginning of a lot of headaches for GAA administrators up and down the country.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: redhandofgod on August 11, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
U20 Hurling final postponed for 10 days after 1 player tested positive, rest deemed close contacts, Tyrone have half the squad testing positive and game only moved 6 days.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on August 11, 2021, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 11, 2021, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 11, 2021, 11:27:41 AM
I am only scanning this thread here but how many players have been confirmed to have the virus?
In other counties there were individual cases, but there was testing going on all the time that picked up asymptomatic lads who sat it out for a week or so.

I am not wummin' here, but are the counties still not testing all the time in case?

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Link or?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Snapchap on August 11, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 11, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Of course they have a right to use the player welfare card.  At any point previous within the pandemic, there was no outbreaks within the squad - there is an outbreak now and forcing the players to play when potentially not fully recovered is a risk to their health.

As for them being audacious in highlighting concerns over the players welfare, the sharing of changing rooms, weights rooms etc. is what is required to play the game and I'm sure there were measures put in place to reduce the risk of transmission.  These activities commenced once the GAA re-started competitions last season and I'm sure Tyrone, along with the other counties, followed the guidelines provided as to how to facilitate training sessions, meetings etc.

I really don't think you're grasping what this approach leads to.

If we get to the point that teams can emotionally blackmail administrators, by pulling out the player welfare card when they don't get the perfect outcome, then we should shut the sport down. As it won't be played anyway.

Croke Park was extraordinarily generous to Tyrone in moving the tie back 6 days. They didn't have to, and it sets them a dangerous precedent which will, over the next few months almost certainly culminate in DRA hearings for club championship ejections.

Tyrone should have thanked their blessings.

But no. Let's not do that. Let's try for the emotional highground instead and try to bully the association into presenting a perfect path.

It's vile.

Tyrone didn't pull out "the player welfare card", they provided proof that a very large number of their panel have got Covid-19. Counties can't "emotionally blackmail" anybody - if they don't hav cases, they can't pretend they do.

What exactly do you expect Tyrone to do? Not stand up for their players by trying to give them as much time to recover as they can? Just turn their noses up at an AI semi-final? Ask players to risk their health by playing the game with totally insufficient recovery time before hand? You'd be some man to take charge of a county board or a team management.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 11, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Player welfare isn't a "card" being played. The management have a responsibility to be conscious of the long-term health of their players. If you are suggesting they broke covid rules, come out and say so (with the proof, obviously). If not, then cop yourself on.

I'm not suggesting they broke the rules.

I'm telling anyone who'll listen that teams who have been meeting up regularly indoors during the pandemic - even if they've been given permission to - need to have a good f**king look at themselves.
So teams need to have a good look at themselves even if they followed the covid rules? Come on...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on August 11, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
U20 Hurling final postponed for 10 days after 1 player tested positive, rest deemed close contacts, Tyrone have half the squad testing positive and game only moved 6 days.

The difference may be explicable. The schedule for 1 may have allowed for a longer deferral than the other. The use of midweek alternatives may be more acceptable to participants, officials, fans and broadcasters etc for one but not for the other.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: redhandofgod on August 11, 2021, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on August 11, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
U20 Hurling final postponed for 10 days after 1 player tested positive, rest deemed close contacts, Tyrone have half the squad testing positive and game only moved 6 days.

The difference may be explicable. The schedule for 1 may have allowed for a longer deferral than the other. The use of midweek alternatives may be more acceptable to participants, officials, fans and broadcasters etc for one but not for the other.

It may, but surely the players SHOULD be the most important factor in all this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on August 11, 2021, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: redhandofgod on August 11, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
U20 Hurling final postponed for 10 days after 1 player tested positive, rest deemed close contacts, Tyrone have half the squad testing positive and game only moved 6 days.

The difference may be explicable. The schedule for 1 may have allowed for a longer deferral than the other. The use of midweek alternatives may be more acceptable to participants, officials, fans and broadcasters etc for one but not for the other.

It may, but surely the players SHOULD be the most important factor in all this.

Yeah. But with some context as to the other factors. I don't think any would argue that the game should be deferred indefinitely so everyone accepts there are limitations
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on August 11, 2021, 03:01:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 11, 2021, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
There's something really rancid about how Tyrone have approached this in the media.

There's been a pandemic active for 18 months. Anyone with the temerity to throw out the  "player welfare" card after a season of sharing changing rooms, weights rooms, meeting rooms, video rooms,  needs a good f**king kick in the hole.

When groups behave like this, either they've a childlike belief in fairy stories "ah we won't catch it, sure we are the good guys", or they've made a premeditated decision that they will get preferential treatment if something does happen.

Either way, they have no right to use the player welfare card. None.

Of course they have a right to use the player welfare card.  At any point previous within the pandemic, there was no outbreaks within the squad - there is an outbreak now and forcing the players to play when potentially not fully recovered is a risk to their health.

As for them being audacious in highlighting concerns over the players welfare, the sharing of changing rooms, weights rooms etc. is what is required to play the game and I'm sure there were measures put in place to reduce the risk of transmission.  These activities commenced once the GAA re-started competitions last season and I'm sure Tyrone, along with the other counties, followed the guidelines provided as to how to facilitate training sessions, meetings etc.

I really don't think you're grasping what this approach leads to.

If we get to the point that teams can emotionally blackmail administrators, by pulling out the player welfare card when they don't get the perfect outcome, then we should shut the sport down. As it won't be played anyway.

Croke Park was extraordinarily generous to Tyrone in moving the tie back 6 days. They didn't have to, and it sets them a dangerous precedent which will, over the next few months almost certainly culminate in DRA hearings for club championship ejections.

Tyrone should have thanked their blessings.

But no. Let's not do that. Let's try for the emotional highground instead and try to bully the association into presenting a perfect path.

It's vile.
Vilest thing here is your attitude towards Tyrone,  very sad in fact..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Lol. I've nothing against Tyrone. I'll be fully cheering them on against Kerry.

But their handling of this particular situation is rotten to the core, especially in the face of being granted a postponement by HQ.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Sportacus on August 11, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
If Tyrone stuck to the guidelines and have been unlucky with Covid then I have every sympathy with them and hope the GAA can do all possible to accommodate them.
If Tyrone players ignored the rules and did something stupid which let Covid rip through their personnel then I don't have any sympathy at all.
Do we know?  If Tyrone have clarified all that then I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 11, 2021, 04:09:00 PM
Link to buy tickets just landed in my inbox. Could do with the game being moved again lol as I'm away on 21st. Deadline is Monday morning (16th) to buy them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Dunsilly King on August 11, 2021, 04:13:25 PM
The only reason and i repeat the only reason it has been deferred is money. Croke park and associated CBs are sheading staff like apples falling off a tree. No revenue in year of any note. HQ needs the money. We all need the money to keep the association going. If Tyrone had needed three weeks they would have gotten it, same as Dublin, Kerry & Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 11, 2021, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on August 11, 2021, 04:13:25 PM
The only reason and i repeat the only reason it has been deferred is money. Croke park and associated CBs are sheading staff like apples falling off a tree. No revenue in year of any note. HQ needs the money. We all need the money to keep the association going. If Tyrone had needed three weeks they would have gotten it, same as Dublin, Kerry & Mayo.

No doubt about it, if this happened Tyrone in the run up to the Cavan first round game, we would have been booted out as there was nowhere near the same amount of money at stake.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 11, 2021, 04:40:40 PM
I haven't read through previous messages but given they are in a group setting, how many of the team are actually vaccinated. Any? In that case, are any of the other teams with the 20 age group get bothered to get vacinated, ie, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry.?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on August 11, 2021, 04:43:23 PM
Jesus thewobbler, "rotten to the core?" Any chance of upping the hyperbole a notch or two more????

On a side note, just bought my tickets for the game there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 11, 2021, 04:46:10 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 11, 2021, 04:40:40 PM
I haven't read through previous messages but given they are in a group setting, how many of the team are actually vaccinated. Any? In that case, are any of the other teams with the 20 age group get bothered to get vacinated, ie, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry.?

Tyrone could have been vaccinated a couple of weeks earlier than 26 county teams, they (or any 6 county team) have less excuse.
Given the implications of an outbreak in a team, I would have thought any serious team would have everyone jabbed on the first day possible. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 11, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
Besides over on the Non gaa page, they be a number of posters (maybe non vac-ers) saying Covid no big deal or doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on August 11, 2021, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Lol. I've nothing against Tyrone. I'll be fully cheering them on against Kerry.

But their handling of this particular situation is rotten to the core, especially in the face of being granted a postponement by HQ.

Fair play to Tyrone - this is a carefully constructed and managed campaign. I can't blame them for their approach and given the lack of leadership / backbone in Croke Park in recent years I will be surprised if it's not successful.

The public sidestepping to avoid asking obvious questions on this issue are obvious. For example... how have so many players from one squad been affected if they were following protocols around travel, changing, meetings, etc.

Also, what impact have the post Ulster final celebrations had on these infections?

If I were the GAA I would have wanted full disclosure on all of that before granting the one week postponement and if the answers are what they are rumoured to be then a postponement is astonishing.

If any team has not adhered to the guidance to the best of their ability and brought these cases upon themselves then how is it reasonable to expect games to be postponed when numerous teams have competed without players throughout this and lastt year's championships?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bigpackiechestout on August 11, 2021, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 11, 2021, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Lol. I've nothing against Tyrone. I'll be fully cheering them on against Kerry.

But their handling of this particular situation is rotten to the core, especially in the face of being granted a postponement by HQ.

Fair play to Tyrone - this is a carefully constructed and managed campaign. I can't blame them for their approach and given the lack of leadership / backbone in Croke Park in recent years I will be surprised if it's not successful.

The public sidestepping to avoid asking obvious questions on this issue are obvious. For example... how have so many players from one squad been affected if they were following protocols around travel, changing, meetings, etc.

Also, what impact have the post Ulster final celebrations had on these infections?

If I were the GAA I would have wanted full disclosure on all of that before granting the one week postponement and if the answers are what they are rumoured to be then a postponement is astonishing.

If any team has not adhered to the guidance to the best of their ability and brought these cases upon themselves then how is it reasonable to expect games to be postponed when numerous teams have competed without players throughout this and lastt year's championships?

What guidance are you talking about? By all accounts Tyrone have followed the guidance to the letter all year, and didn't return to training until permitted by the GAA, in contrast to at least one but probably more of the teams remaining in the championship.

Regarding any post Ulster final celebrations - if these occurred then it obviously wasn't the wisest course of action but I don't see how they could be held against Tyrone by Croke Park in this instance. The pubs are open, if lads want to go out for a few drinks after winning a provincial championship, who is to stop them if they aren't displaying symptoms, aren't a close contact and haven't tested positive.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 06:30:24 PM
Statement by the GPA

The Gaelic Players Association have been, and continue to be, in ongoing contact with the Tyrone Senior Football Squad through their GPA rep since the issues surrounding positive Covid-19 cases arose.  Their health and wellbeing is our primary concern.  We are also in contact with the Tyrone Senior Football Management and share their player welfare concerns.

It's important to note that players will always feel a deep sense of responsibility to play the game, represent their county and supporters, and will no doubt want to fulfil the All-Ireland semi-final fixture. However, it is imperative that their health and wellbeing is the priority in this situation.  As such, we have offered support to the Tyrone squad through our comprehensive health screening.

We will consult closely with the GAA to ensure adequate time is allowed to assess the welfare of players before a decision can be made by Tyrone.

Above all we ask for respect to be shown to the amateur status of the players and that we are all mindful of the four teams who remain in the competition.

Players will always want to play, but their welfare must come first in any decision made.

Tom Parsons,

GPA CEO
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 11, 2021, 07:50:26 PM
Where was the GPA statement when Fermanagh and Sligo were in bother?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Are the GAA forcing them? They don't have to play the game if they are that concerned about player welfare
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Are the GAA forcing them? They don't have to play the game if they are that concerned about player welfare

Which is literally what they said they have to might do. Alternatively tyrone can say nothing field their best team who may or may not be covid positive and potential infect the  kerry players. If teams know they are being punished for being honest they may not be so honest in future
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Are the GAA forcing them? They don't have to play the game if they are that concerned about player welfare

Which is literally what they said they have to might do. Alternatively tyrone can say nothing field their best team who may or may not be covid positive and potential infect the  kerry players. If teams know they are being punished for being honest they may not be so honest in future
Thats why I said are the GAA 'forcing' them. The decision lies with tyrone therefore there is no one being forced
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on August 11, 2021, 08:42:16 PM

Don't play so...

It's abundantly clear this a commendable ruse to get another week of preparation time. In reality, we know they'll be ready and fielding.

They've been playing every other week for 3 months. So half of them are training individually for 10 days but in reality this is a fine tuning phase and they're gameplan prep might even be better done online.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 08:48:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players

Show me where the GAA are forcing Tyrone to play any player with whom they have a welfare concern?

If you can't point to this you might want to rethink your point.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Are the GAA forcing them? They don't have to play the game if they are that concerned about player welfare

Which is literally what they said they have to might do. Alternatively tyrone can say nothing field their best team who may or may not be covid positive and potential infect the  kerry players. If teams know they are being punished for being honest they may not be so honest in future

I don't think anyone in Tyrone is even considering doing anything as monumentally stupid as that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2021, 09:31:54 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 11, 2021, 08:42:16 PM

Don't play so...

It's abundantly clear this a commendable ruse to get another week of preparation time. In reality, we know they'll be ready and fielding.

They've been playing every other week for 3 months. So half of them are training individually for 10 days but in reality this is a fine tuning phase and they're gameplan prep might even be better done online.

Without getting into the wider discussion do you honestly believe this? A week- 10 days without collective match tempo training. If you think that's is just fine tuning then I don't know what to say. Whether that should come into the decision making process is another matter but let's not play down the impact of this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
Just seen 2 contradictory interviews

1). "Brian Dooher says just over 50% of the Tyrone panel are able to train fully, less than two weeks out from their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Kerry."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/58164203

2). With "over half the panel" having tested positive for Covid-19, player welfare has to be the priority, as far as he is concerned. comments from canavan
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/319253

So which of these is right? I'd assume Doohers
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Will it ever end on August 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players

Get their fitness levels up 😂

I'd be amazed if they were planning any fitness work ahead of the all Ireland semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players

Get their fitness levels up 😂

I'd be amazed if they were planning any fitness work ahead of the all Ireland semi final.

If you haven't played or trained in over 2 weeks your fitness level will drop not sure how that's wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Will it ever end on August 11, 2021, 10:34:44 PM
Was there anything from GPA etc about player welfare when scores of club / county players have played post having Covid for the last 12 months?

Who made the call for those individuals to go back and play?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 11, 2021, 10:36:09 PM
Haven't heard yet where all these players picked up Covid, Tyrone are not overly forward coming out with that, saying they been in the news past week every day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Are the GAA forcing them? They don't have to play the game if they are that concerned about player welfare

Which is literally what they said they have to might do. Alternatively tyrone can say nothing field their best team who may or may not be covid positive and potential infect the  kerry players. If teams know they are being punished for being honest they may not be so honest in future

I don't think anyone in Tyrone is even considering doing anything as monumentally stupid as that.

Its not stupid at all. The gaa have said those players who tested positive can play after 10 days. By the time the game happens it will be 12-13 days since they tested positive. There are numerous examples and literature which shows some people can remain infectious after the 10 day period.

The 10 day isolation is an average of people no longer being contagious. There is the possibility that one of those 20 players can play in the semi final and still be be spreading the virus. Really not that difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Sure you could say that about any team. Your starting 15 and 5 of your best subs have covid but sure go out and get a few lads from the clubs to fufil a fixture soely for the gaa. Be pointless really as they could fmget hammered and sure they would sell no where near the full amount of tickets as no one is going to pay 50 euro to watch a make shift team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Sure you could say that about any team. Your starting 15 and 5 of your best subs have covid but sure go out and get a few lads from the clubs to fufil a fixture soely for the gaa. Be pointless really as they could fmget hammered and sure they would sell no where near the full amount of tickets as no one is going to pay 50 euro to watch a make shift team.

And is it Tyrone's starting 15 and 5 best subs that have Covid?

Also is it clear that the positive cases are ill or have been unable to maintain fitness or participate in tactical/video sessions?

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players
Are the GAA forcing them? They don't have to play the game if they are that concerned about player welfare

Which is literally what they said they have to might do. Alternatively tyrone can say nothing field their best team who may or may not be covid positive and potential infect the  kerry players. If teams know they are being punished for being honest they may not be so honest in future

I don't think anyone in Tyrone is even considering doing anything as monumentally stupid as that.

Its not stupid at all. The gaa have said those players who tested positive can play after 10 days. By the time the game happens it will be 12-13 days since they tested positive. There are numerous examples and literature which shows some people can remain infectious after the 10 day period.

The 10 day isolation is an average of people no longer being contagious. There is the possibility that one of those 20 players can play in the semi final and still be be spreading the virus. Really not that difficult to understand.

Your original post was about being dishonest and either hiding positive tests or deliberately not testing. That would be monumentally stupid
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 11, 2021, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 11, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
Just seen 2 contradictory interviews

1). "Brian Dooher says just over 50% of the Tyrone panel are able to train fully, less than two weeks out from their All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Kerry."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/58164203

2). With "over half the panel" having tested positive for Covid-19, player welfare has to be the priority, as far as he is concerned. comments from canavan
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/319253

So which of these is right? I'd assume Doohers
some of them have tested positive and are out of isolation again, like the guys who missed the last game. I would imagine that's how both statements could be true
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Just checking. Do people genuinely think that it is feasible just to pull lads from outside the panel to play Kerry in an All Ireland semi final?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Sure you could say that about any team. Your starting 15 and 5 of your best subs have covid but sure go out and get a few lads from the clubs to fufil a fixture soely for the gaa. Be pointless really as they could fmget hammered and sure they would sell no where near the full amount of tickets as no one is going to pay 50 euro to watch a make shift team.

my point is they could field a team if they needed to. All this talk of not being able to field is incorrect
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 07:51:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Sure you could say that about any team. Your starting 15 and 5 of your best subs have covid but sure go out and get a few lads from the clubs to fufil a fixture soely for the gaa. Be pointless really as they could fmget hammered and sure they would sell no where near the full amount of tickets as no one is going to pay 50 euro to watch a make shift team.

my point is they could field a team if they needed to. All this talk of not being able to field is incorrect

Fulfil the fixture or compete?

Two completely different things.

If we cannot play our full team (nothwithstanding injuries etc) by the time the game comes round then I think we should withdraw.

AI Semi Finals are always special - but nothing is more important than a players health
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: DuffleKing on August 12, 2021, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players

Get their fitness levels up 😂

I'd be amazed if they were planning any fitness work ahead of the all Ireland semi final.

If you haven't played or trained in over 2 weeks your fitness level will drop not sure how that's wrong.

Why would they not have trained for 2 weeks? They're in isolation, not blasted into space.

"If we cannot play our full team (nothwithstanding injuries etc) by the time the game comes round then I think we should withdraw."

Most other teams had to play games this year minus players who were either positive or isolating because of covid. Not a word about it - the opposite in fact - that's why you've a squad. Tyrone are not disputing that isolations are up and everyone available for next weekend - dry your eyes, get on with it and try operating more closely to the PH guidance around sport going forward.

Next year then, if players have missed training because of covid, man flu, chicken pox or whatever does that mean Tyrone will refuse to field?

Everyone is dancing around this because we're in the covid sphere at the moment and Tyrone are being pretty cynical about the pressure they are applying for another extension. The next card they play will be "mental health"...


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 12, 2021, 08:01:40 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 11, 2021, 10:36:09 PM
Haven't heard yet where all these players picked up Covid, Tyrone are not overly forward coming out with that, saying they been in the news past week every day.

I'm no medical expert but I'd imagine it's not easy to isolate exactly how the players in question picked up covid. Some of them will have got it from sources outside the team, some could be passed on through family/club members in the team who are in close contact etc. But no matter how it was passed you couldn't be 100% sure and it's certainly not something you would be releasing publicly especially when there is no way of knowing.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2021, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 12, 2021, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players

Get their fitness levels up 😂

I'd be amazed if they were planning any fitness work ahead of the all Ireland semi final.

If you haven't played or trained in over 2 weeks your fitness level will drop not sure how that's wrong.

Why would they not have trained for 2 weeks? They're in isolation, not blasted into space.

"If we cannot play our full team (nothwithstanding injuries etc) by the time the game comes round then I think we should withdraw."

Most other teams had to play games this year minus players who were either positive or isolating because of covid. Not a word about it - the opposite in fact - that's why you've a squad. Tyrone are not disputing that isolations are up and everyone available for next weekend - dry your eyes, get on with it and try operating more closely to the PH guidance around sport going forward.

Next year then, if players have missed training because of covid, man flu, chicken pox or whatever does that mean Tyrone will refuse to field?

Everyone is dancing around this because we're in the covid sphere at the moment and Tyrone are being pretty cynical about the pressure they are applying for another extension. The next card they play will be "mental health"...

Tyrone have had to play games with players missing too, big difference with the whole squad affected and I don't recall another team in this situation yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 08:26:21 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Sure you could say that about any team. Your starting 15 and 5 of your best subs have covid but sure go out and get a few lads from the clubs to fufil a fixture soely for the gaa. Be pointless really as they could fmget hammered and sure they would sell no where near the full amount of tickets as no one is going to pay 50 euro to watch a make shift team.

And is it Tyrone's starting 15 and 5 best subs that have Covid?

Also is it clear that the positive cases are ill or have been unable to maintain fitness or participate in tactical/video sessions?

There are alot of first team players affected yes. A few MOTM winners this year are positive.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 12, 2021, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on August 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
Player Welfare is entirely in the hands of Tyrone

Not really. Gaa are forcing tyrone to play a match where 20 of their players will not have been allowed to train or get their fitness levels up before an ll ireland semi final. Player welfare is in the hands of the gaa as they have decided that tyrone must play on this date and time knowing that they are risking those players

Get their fitness levels up 😂

I'd be amazed if they were planning any fitness work ahead of the all Ireland semi final.

If you haven't played or trained in over 2 weeks your fitness level will drop not sure how that's wrong.

Why would they not have trained for 2 weeks? They're in isolation, not blasted into space.

"If we cannot play our full team (nothwithstanding injuries etc) by the time the game comes round then I think we should withdraw."

Most other teams had to play games this year minus players who were either positive or isolating because of covid. Not a word about it - the opposite in fact - that's why you've a squad. Tyrone are not disputing that isolations are up and everyone available for next weekend - dry your eyes, get on with it and try operating more closely to the PH guidance around sport going forward.

Next year then, if players have missed training because of covid, man flu, chicken pox or whatever does that mean Tyrone will refuse to field?

Everyone is dancing around this because we're in the covid sphere at the moment and Tyrone are being pretty cynical about the pressure they are applying for another extension. The next card they play will be "mental health"...

Minus players or missing more than half of their squad?

Are you claiming Tyrone have not followed PH guidance? If so I look forward to you providing some evidence to this

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on August 11, 2021, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 11, 2021, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Lol. I've nothing against Tyrone. I'll be fully cheering them on against Kerry.

But their handling of this particular situation is rotten to the core, especially in the face of being granted a postponement by HQ.

Fair play to Tyrone - this is a carefully constructed and managed campaign. I can't blame them for their approach and given the lack of leadership / backbone in Croke Park in recent years I will be surprised if it's not successful.

The public sidestepping to avoid asking obvious questions on this issue are obvious. For example... how have so many players from one squad been affected if they were following protocols around travel, changing, meetings, etc.

Also, what impact have the post Ulster final celebrations had on these infections?

If I were the GAA I would have wanted full disclosure on all of that before granting the one week postponement and if the answers are what they are rumoured to be then a postponement is astonishing.

If any team has not adhered to the guidance to the best of their ability and brought these cases upon themselves then how is it reasonable to expect games to be postponed when numerous teams have competed without players throughout this and lastt year's championships?

What guidance are you talking about? By all accounts Tyrone have followed the guidance to the letter all year, and didn't return to training until permitted by the GAA, in contrast to at least one but probably more of the teams remaining in the championship.

Regarding any post Ulster final celebrations - if these occurred then it obviously wasn't the wisest course of action but I don't see how they could be held against Tyrone by Croke Park in this instance. The pubs are open, if lads want to go out for a few drinks after winning a provincial championship, who is to stop them if they aren't displaying symptoms, aren't a close contact and haven't tested positive.

They should be grateful to Croke Park in granting them the extra week. If lads went out after the Ulster final to celebrate then that's their own business but they have to accept there is a risk involved and accept the consequences of contracting Covid. Being involved with an elite level sports team they will be well aware of the protocols and the risk at this stage. I'm sure all of the remaining county sides left in the championship have been on their guard for weeks now. To my knowledge there has been no other sports team who have had such a high number of positive cases at the same time which does raise questions of it's own.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 12, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on August 11, 2021, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 11, 2021, 05:17:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2021, 03:07:51 PM
Lol. I've nothing against Tyrone. I'll be fully cheering them on against Kerry.

But their handling of this particular situation is rotten to the core, especially in the face of being granted a postponement by HQ.

Fair play to Tyrone - this is a carefully constructed and managed campaign. I can't blame them for their approach and given the lack of leadership / backbone in Croke Park in recent years I will be surprised if it's not successful.

The public sidestepping to avoid asking obvious questions on this issue are obvious. For example... how have so many players from one squad been affected if they were following protocols around travel, changing, meetings, etc.

Also, what impact have the post Ulster final celebrations had on these infections?

If I were the GAA I would have wanted full disclosure on all of that before granting the one week postponement and if the answers are what they are rumoured to be then a postponement is astonishing.

If any team has not adhered to the guidance to the best of their ability and brought these cases upon themselves then how is it reasonable to expect games to be postponed when numerous teams have competed without players throughout this and lastt year's championships?

What guidance are you talking about? By all accounts Tyrone have followed the guidance to the letter all year, and didn't return to training until permitted by the GAA, in contrast to at least one but probably more of the teams remaining in the championship.

Regarding any post Ulster final celebrations - if these occurred then it obviously wasn't the wisest course of action but I don't see how they could be held against Tyrone by Croke Park in this instance. The pubs are open, if lads want to go out for a few drinks after winning a provincial championship, who is to stop them if they aren't displaying symptoms, aren't a close contact and haven't tested positive.

They should be grateful to Croke Park in granting them the extra week. If lads went out after the Ulster final to celebrate then that's their own business but they have to accept there is a risk involved and accept the consequences of contracting Covid. Being involved with an elite level sports team they will be well aware of the protocols and the risk at this stage. I'm sure all of the remaining county sides left in the championship have been on their guard for weeks now. To my knowledge there has been no other sports team who have had such a high number of positive cases at the same time which does raise questions of it's own.

Think the issue may be that winning ulster actually matters to the Northern teams as its difficult to win. Kerry mayo and Dublin are all expected year on year to win bar a few upsets now and again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on August 12, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1425720201270775819
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 12, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1425720201270775819

The GPA are a sham of an organisation at this stage. Like one of those Gov schemes that was set up for a valid reason at point in time, serves its purpose but no one remembered to close it down and it still exists.

They got shamed into releasing a statement when the likes of Kieran Donaghy asked where they were and released one that said absolutely nothing. They haven't a decision in them and just want to run leadership seminars on repeat. Answer to no one and as proactive as a sloth.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
The GPA are a sham of an organisation no doubt.

But the reality of this situation is that three-quarters of the GPA members involved in the semi finals are somewhat negatively affected by any postponement, and thoroughly negatively affected by any ongoing postponement.

It's not actually in their interests to throw their weight behind Tyrone on this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 12, 2021, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1425720201270775819

What's does 50% of players mean? Starting 15? Matchday 26? Extended panel (~40)? All footballers in Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1425720201270775819

Waffle. Says player welfare is the number one priority then is afraid of outright backing a postponement. What have we really learnt from that statement? I can't think of anything.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 12, 2021, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1425720201270775819

What's does 50% of players mean? Starting 15? Matchday 26? Extended panel (~40)? All footballers in Tyrone?

Theres about 20, which is actually more than half of the 32-35 Tom parsons mentioned is in a typical squad. Think Tyrone have about 40 training.
Alot of the 20 are big players. Regular starters.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 12, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
How come Dublin, Rhubarbs, Kerry, Ros u20, Offaly u20, Sligo Minor,Meath Minor, Cork Minor haven't got half their panels down with Covid?
Are Tyrone people more susceptible to viruses?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 12, 2021, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 11, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
If Tyrone stuck to the guidelines and have been unlucky with Covid then I have every sympathy with them and hope the GAA can do all possible to accommodate them.
If Tyrone players ignored the rules and did something stupid which let Covid rip through their personnel then I don't have any sympathy at all.
Do we know?  If Tyrone have clarified all that then I stand corrected.
Tyrone are hardly gonna come out and say alright hands up we broke all the rules but give us a postponement are they?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 12, 2021, 11:17:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
How come Dublin, Rhubarbs, Kerry, Ros u20, Offaly u20, Sligo Minor,Meath Minor, Cork Minor haven't got half their panels down with Covid?
Are Tyrone people more susceptible to viruses?

Are these squads being tested?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 12, 2021, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on August 11, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
If Tyrone stuck to the guidelines and have been unlucky with Covid then I have every sympathy with them and hope the GAA can do all possible to accommodate them.
If Tyrone players ignored the rules and did something stupid which let Covid rip through their personnel then I don't have any sympathy at all.
Do we know?  If Tyrone have clarified all that then I stand corrected.
Tyrone are hardly gonna come out and say alright hands up we broke all the rules but give us a postponement are they?

It's seems logical that if Tyrone are asking for a dispensation that impacts on other teams and a competition then the GAA should be asking questions as to how the situation came about. You would imagine any variance form protocols or element of self inflicted harm isn't going to do Tyrone any favours.

Personally I am all for players going to the pub after winning a provincial championship but the specific context here is important. Heading to the pub, as a group when you know Covid is a live issue in the group is a very different proposition than the normal heading to the pub. That context cannot just be wished away.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 08:26:21 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 11, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 11, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 11, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 11, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
If Tyrone are forced to field on Sept 21st with players who are still feeling the effects of COVID, i just hope that no players suffer complications or God forbid collapses on the pitch as a result of the exertions placed on their bodies too soon after the virus. Even if a player thinks that they have recovered, and the desire to play in an AI semi final can make players take the risk, they may not be ready. I had Covid last October and three weeks later thought I was over it. I went for a light jog and couldn't catch my breath after a short distance and could barely walk home. I was absolutely shattered. Granted these players are infinitely fitter than i am but i wasn't playing an elite level sport at the business end of the season. I hope the GAA and all those suggesting Tyrone should "just get on with it" are happy to risk a worst possible scenario for the sake of a week or so delay to the championship. The repercussions could be huge. 

How long should it be delayed if there continues to be cases in the squad, or if players are still suffering the effects even though they're no longer positive?

I have no idea - but on this issue i would suggest that you have to take what the county are saying at face value. If they are saying there is a risk in asking them to field next Saturday then that has to be taken very, very seriously. Any fall out from a health complication due to this would be absolutely massive. From my own point of view, if Tyrone are still not in a position to field the following week then they should withdraw from the championship.

without being funny, there are ore than 30 players in Tyrone, right?

Sure you could say that about any team. Your starting 15 and 5 of your best subs have covid but sure go out and get a few lads from the clubs to fufil a fixture soely for the gaa. Be pointless really as they could fmget hammered and sure they would sell no where near the full amount of tickets as no one is going to pay 50 euro to watch a make shift team.

And is it Tyrone's starting 15 and 5 best subs that have Covid?

Also is it clear that the positive cases are ill or have been unable to maintain fitness or participate in tactical/video sessions?

There are alot of first team players affected yes. A few MOTM winners this year are positive.

So you are confirming that your original supposition (first 20 picks) isn't relevant here.

Good.

We can go back to discussing what is relevant here.

I posted earlier what info Tyrone and GAA should make public in a clear statement. Maybe they should get on with that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

To be clear I'm not bashing the pub per se. But I'm sure you can agree that we should be looking at what different has happened in the Tyrone camp that other camps that have not had the same issue (or to the same agree). If Tyrone have been doing something else that is different then that will come to the fore
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

To be clear I'm not bashing the pub per se. But I'm sure you can agree that we should be looking at what different has happened in the Tyrone camp that other camps that have not had the same issue (or to the same agree). If Tyrone have been doing something else that is different then that will come to the fore

The bitterness is hanging out of you. Tyrone ones did nothing outside of the guidance.

Take the blinkers off.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I would imagine that teams at that level and at this stage of the championship with the stakes being so high would be receiving medical advice to first of all ensure that all their players are fully vaccinated. Although players have to exercise their own personal choice but they can't then complain if they get ill from Covid having not taken the vaccine.

After that I would imagine that they are following the correct protocols and being regularly tested to avoid widespread outbreaks within the squad. Maybe Tyrone have just been very unlucky and it is rife in the community, we don't know, but it doesn't look great that so many of them have contracted it at the same time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 12, 2021, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 12, 2021, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 12, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1425720201270775819

What's does 50% of players mean? Starting 15? Matchday 26? Extended panel (~40)? All footballers in Tyrone?

Theres about 20, which is actually more than half of the 32-35 Tom parsons mentioned is in a typical squad. Think Tyrone have about 40 training.
Alot of the 20 are big players. Regular starters.

I suppose the other big questions are, are they positive or symptomatic? Anyways, it'd be a crying shame to see thrown out at this stage. I know I'd be sick. Hope something works out for yous.

Any idea when a decision has to be reached by?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 12, 2021, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

It's work places and schools more than anything, but it's easier for the government to blame publicans and sport teams than take responsibility
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 12, 2021, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

To be clear I'm not bashing the pub per se. But I'm sure you can agree that we should be looking at what different has happened in the Tyrone camp that other camps that have not had the same issue (or to the same agree). If Tyrone have been doing something else that is different then that will come to the fore

The bitterness is hanging out of you. Tyrone ones did nothing outside of the guidance.

Take the blinkers off.

Bitterness? Care to explain.

Just asking questions. Questions that need to be answered. And open minded as to what those answers will be. So let's get them answered.

No blinkers here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 11:49:09 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 12, 2021, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

It's work places and schools more than anything, but it's easier for the government to blame publicans and sport teams than take responsibility

I not bashing pubs but I am prepared to go out on a limb and say it was not the schools this time
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

In a meeting it is only the team and whatever officials are required and you would hope that all are doing what they can in training, work etc to keep social distancing in place. When you go into the pub god knows who is there and who they have been in contact with over the last few days.  Add in a Ulster final win and everyone wants to talk to a team member and slap them on the back and tell them how great they are.


We seen enough of it here in Cavan after the club finals celebrations last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 12, 2021, 12:18:51 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40357526.html
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

In a meeting it is only the team and whatever officials are required and you would hope that all are doing what they can in training, work etc to keep social distancing in place. When you go into the pub god knows who is there and who they have been in contact with over the last few days.  Add in a Ulster final win and everyone wants to talk to a team member and slap them on the back and tell them how great they are.


We seen enough of it here in Cavan after the club finals celebrations last year.

Try opening your mind a little.

The chances that one or more of the panel had Covid before the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid at the pub on the night of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid in another setting within a few days of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that 20 of the panel were infected in a superspreader event at the pub on Ulster final night is low.

The chances that a small number of infected members of the panel (infected pre, during or post the night at the pub) did not display Covid symptoms for anything up to 10 days after contracting Covid is high.

The chances of those infected players attending a lengthy video analysis session in the interim is  high.

The chances of that video session taking place in small, poorly ventilated environment is high.

——

The pub is likely part of the equation that has led Tyrone here. But see the like of you, who can thoughtlessly differentiate between some indoor spaces as being safe, and others as not being safe, you are actually a Covid danger if you live like this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on August 12, 2021, 12:29:42 PM
I'm not a major Tyrone fan, but given the circumstances we've been in for the last year and a half the only sensible and fair thing to do is to allow the extension.
Lots of talk about catching it in a pub or out celebrating....but who's to say a player didn't pick it up at work or in a shop or anywhere else and bring it to training?
Does it really matter where it came from?
Plenty of people have caught Covid who have followed public guidance.

It's a bit of a joke the conversation is even happening about where or how it got there and a decision on postponement should only be made based on how long players need to isolate and when they could reasonably be expected to be back to normal.

The only thing that should be considered is that the camp has been struck down. Given the potential impact catching it has on an individual and the risk of spreading it to others, it is unreasonable to expect a sports team to field imo.

The GAA need to make reasonable exceptions for any team struck down by Covid and in fact 2 weeks might even be too short a window. Lets say 1 player is positive and the domino effect of infections happens within a group of that size then the period of exposure for that team could go on for weeks.

Player welfare needs to be considered and in the absence of any regulation to stipulate what should happen then all decisions should be made on that basis.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:32:10 PM
If one of the Tyrone players develops long Covid (I sincerely hope not btw), do we wait around for him to regain fitness? What if 5 of them develop long Covid?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 12, 2021, 12:34:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I would imagine that teams at that level and at this stage of the championship with the stakes being so high would be receiving medical advice to first of all ensure that all their players are fully vaccinated. Although players have to exercise their own personal choice but they can't then complain if they get ill from Covid having not taken the vaccine.

After that I would imagine that they are following the correct protocols and being regularly tested to avoid widespread outbreaks within the squad. Maybe Tyrone have just been very unlucky and it is rife in the community, we don't know, but it doesn't look great that so many of them have contracted it at the same time.

People with vaccine can still get covid
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 12, 2021, 12:35:16 PM
is anyone of them seriously sick
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 12, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

In a meeting it is only the team and whatever officials are required and you would hope that all are doing what they can in training, work etc to keep social distancing in place. When you go into the pub god knows who is there and who they have been in contact with over the last few days.  Add in a Ulster final win and everyone wants to talk to a team member and slap them on the back and tell them how great they are.


We seen enough of it here in Cavan after the club finals celebrations last year.

Try opening your mind a little.

The chances that one or more of the panel had Covid before the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid at the pub on the night of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid in another setting within a few days of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that 20 of the panel were infected in a superspreader event at the pub on Ulster final night is low.

The chances that a small number of infected members of the panel (infected pre, during or post the night at the pub) did not display Covid symptoms for anything up to 10 days after contracting Covid is high.

The chances of those infected players attending a lengthy video analysis session in the interim is  high.

The chances of that video session taking place in small, poorly ventilated environment is high.

——

The pub is likely part of the equation that has led Tyrone here. But see the like of you, who can thoughtlessly differentiate between some indoor spaces as being safe, and others as not being safe, you are actually a Covid danger if you live like this.

I think you been generous in you analysis of the above. It's not unreasonable to think that prior to Ulster final all those things where happening - training, video analysis (they have excellent facilities at their centre for this), Gym work, dressing rooms etc. One of these events seen the covid land in the camp with 5 missing the Ulster final altogether. It's same to assume others had it at this time and didn't know it.

What happened next may have helped spread it further and what happened that wouldn't have happened in previous games - the pub, team meal, celebrations etc. It's not a stretch to say these events helped the spread when it was already in the camp.

I heard another underage county team celebrated a title in recent weeks - went to a house party the night of the game as they can't go to pubs and a week later half of them have tested positive.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2021, 12:41:47 PM
3pm throw-in time for the game on Saturday week. And same for the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
So,  basically what you're trying to tell me is that all the indoor full team meetings either side of the Ulster Final were not responsible for the spread of Covid, but the spread can instead be traced almost entirely to most of the squad going to the pub on the night of the Ulster Final.

—-

Every once in a while I wonder why so many people vote DUP, and how so many northern Englanders were convinced to vote for Brexit.

Then I read threads like this and remember that all too many people will believe anything they're told. And worse again, they'll even defend those decisions as having a thought process.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2021, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
So,  basically what you're trying to tell me is that all the indoor full team meetings either side of the Ulster Final were not responsible for the spread of Covid, but the spread can instead be traced almost entirely to most of the squad going to the pub on the night of the Ulster Final.

—-

Every once in a while I wonder why so many people vote DUP, and how so many northern Englanders were convinced to vote for Brexit.

Then I read threads like this and remember that all too many people will believe anything they're told. And worse again, they'll even defend those decisions as having a thought process.
I think what others are saying wobbler is that the initial infection happened outside a team environment, e.g. a pub, or who knows what else. Once someone in the team catches it, then clearly any indoor team meetings will almost inevitably lead to it spreading.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 12, 2021, 12:34:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I would imagine that teams at that level and at this stage of the championship with the stakes being so high would be receiving medical advice to first of all ensure that all their players are fully vaccinated. Although players have to exercise their own personal choice but they can't then complain if they get ill from Covid having not taken the vaccine.

After that I would imagine that they are following the correct protocols and being regularly tested to avoid widespread outbreaks within the squad. Maybe Tyrone have just been very unlucky and it is rife in the community, we don't know, but it doesn't look great that so many of them have contracted it at the same time.

People with vaccine can still get covid

Of course but it's about risk minimisation and the vaccination will help reduce or prevent symptoms. We know that around half the team tested positive but we don't know how many of them actually got sick from it. If they took the vaccine, were tested regularly and followed all of the precautions then it is desperately bad luck to have so many players struck down at once.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 01:23:04 PM
I think it is likely that Tyrone may well have to eventually make the heart breaking call to withdraw from this years All Ireland semi final. Surely it is in everyone's interest that they take as long as possible to evaluate/predict the health of their players, and weigh that up and this weekend seems to be the agreed decision time...if things are as bad as rumoured, it may even come beforehand. Im pretty sure that has been discussed with all stakeholders. Please lay off them until they make the call. Nobody wants this to be the case.  Unprecedented times, Tyrone supporters are gutted so what are the players feelings like.  and you have to wish them well.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 12, 2021, 01:34:27 PM
so will kerry get a bye to final any chance monaghan replace tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on August 12, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 01:23:04 PM
I think it is likely that Tyrone may well have to eventually make the heart breaking call to withdraw from this years All Ireland semi final. Surely it is in everyone's interest that they take as long as possible to evaluate/predict the health of their players, and weigh that up and this weekend seems to be the agreed decision time...if things are as bad as rumoured, it may even come beforehand. Im pretty sure that has been discussed with all stakeholders. Please lay off them until they make the call. Nobody wants this to be the case.  Unprecedented times, Tyrone supporters are gutted so what are the players feelings like.  and you have to wish them well.

Agreed,  very sad to see so many bitter, bitter anti-Tyrone mouths on here.  If Tyrone decide to pull out , it's not the end of the world,  but I really hope they don't make a court case out of it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 12, 2021, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 12, 2021, 01:34:27 PM
so will kerry get a bye to final any chance monaghan replace tyrone

Kerry would get a BYE
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 12, 2021, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
So,  basically what you're trying to tell me is that all the indoor full team meetings either side of the Ulster Final were not responsible for the spread of Covid, but the spread can instead be traced almost entirely to most of the squad going to the pub on the night of the Ulster Final.

—-

Every once in a while I wonder why so many people vote DUP, and how so many northern Englanders were convinced to vote for Brexit.

Then I read threads like this and remember that all too many people will believe anything they're told. And worse again, they'll even defend those decisions as having a thought process.

Absolutely no one has said the above but you want to read it that way

If you've 5 cases in your workplace, you take action, you don't let the other 40 workers meet in a canteen at the same time the next day and day after until you decide a week later to actually test everyone. Tyrone knew they had 5 cases prior to ulster final - what happened that it suddenly escalated to 20 odd. Was it their match day preparation or the day after. People only asking as something went wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 01:51:42 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 12, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 01:23:04 PM
I think it is likely that Tyrone may well have to eventually make the heart breaking call to withdraw from this years All Ireland semi final. Surely it is in everyone's interest that they take as long as possible to evaluate/predict the health of their players, and weigh that up and this weekend seems to be the agreed decision time...if things are as bad as rumoured, it may even come beforehand. Im pretty sure that has been discussed with all stakeholders. Please lay off them until they make the call. Nobody wants this to be the case.  Unprecedented times, Tyrone supporters are gutted so what are the players feelings like.  and you have to wish them well.

Agreed,  very sad to see so many bitter, bitter anti-Tyrone mouths on here.  If Tyrone decide to pull out , it's not the end of the world,  but I really hope they don't make a court case out of it

You can dismiss those throwing out accusations and making claims as bitter and anti-Tyrone and you might be right in some instances.

But those who are pointing out the questions that need to be answered should be engaged with properly. Otherwise what is that other than "blinkered"?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Louther on August 12, 2021, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
So,  basically what you're trying to tell me is that all the indoor full team meetings either side of the Ulster Final were not responsible for the spread of Covid, but the spread can instead be traced almost entirely to most of the squad going to the pub on the night of the Ulster Final.

—-

Every once in a while I wonder why so many people vote DUP, and how so many northern Englanders were convinced to vote for Brexit.

Then I read threads like this and remember that all too many people will believe anything they're told. And worse again, they'll even defend those decisions as having a thought process.

Absolutely no one has said the above but you want to read it that way

If you've 5 cases in your workplace, you take action, you don't let the other 40 workers meet in a canteen at the same time the next day and day after until you decide a week later to actually test everyone. Tyrone knew they had 5 cases prior to ulster final - what happened that it suddenly escalated to 20 odd. Was it their match day preparation or the day after. People only asking as something went wrong.

You are assuming (without and basis or knowledge at all) that the spread came from the initial infection.

There are high cases in many communities up here.

How do you know someone didnt take it into the camp after the Ulster Final? You dont.

Its great to have so many experts on this board - many who seem to have gained their knowledge in the last few days
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 12, 2021, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Louther on August 12, 2021, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
So,  basically what you're trying to tell me is that all the indoor full team meetings either side of the Ulster Final were not responsible for the spread of Covid, but the spread can instead be traced almost entirely to most of the squad going to the pub on the night of the Ulster Final.

—-

Every once in a while I wonder why so many people vote DUP, and how so many northern Englanders were convinced to vote for Brexit.

Then I read threads like this and remember that all too many people will believe anything they're told. And worse again, they'll even defend those decisions as having a thought process.

Absolutely no one has said the above but you want to read it that way

If you've 5 cases in your workplace, you take action, you don't let the other 40 workers meet in a canteen at the same time the next day and day after until you decide a week later to actually test everyone. Tyrone knew they had 5 cases prior to ulster final - what happened that it suddenly escalated to 20 odd. Was it their match day preparation or the day after. People only asking as something went wrong.

You are assuming (without and basis or knowledge at all) that the spread came from the initial infection.

There are high cases in many communities up here.

How do you know someone didnt take it into the camp after the Ulster Final? You dont.

Its great to have so many experts on this board - many who seem to have gained their knowledge in the last few days

Ok then, if initial spread didn't come from within camp before ulster final and it was a new spread post Ulster final, than what happened after the Ulster final that seen it spread again so quickly? Have they completely abandoned covid protocols to help prevent such spread? After having an out break prior to Ulster final did they meet again on the Tuesday night to train/watch anyalysis/recover and throw out all protocols and social distancing despite having an out break previous week. Another 15 cases with new infection?  ;D ;D ;D

Knowledge is one thing but common sense is lacking  and deflection very popular on this board too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 02:21:42 PM
Quote from: Louther on August 12, 2021, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 12, 2021, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Louther on August 12, 2021, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
So,  basically what you're trying to tell me is that all the indoor full team meetings either side of the Ulster Final were not responsible for the spread of Covid, but the spread can instead be traced almost entirely to most of the squad going to the pub on the night of the Ulster Final.

—-

Every once in a while I wonder why so many people vote DUP, and how so many northern Englanders were convinced to vote for Brexit.

Then I read threads like this and remember that all too many people will believe anything they're told. And worse again, they'll even defend those decisions as having a thought process.

Absolutely no one has said the above but you want to read it that way

If you've 5 cases in your workplace, you take action, you don't let the other 40 workers meet in a canteen at the same time the next day and day after until you decide a week later to actually test everyone. Tyrone knew they had 5 cases prior to ulster final - what happened that it suddenly escalated to 20 odd. Was it their match day preparation or the day after. People only asking as something went wrong.

You are assuming (without and basis or knowledge at all) that the spread came from the initial infection.

There are high cases in many communities up here.

How do you know someone didnt take it into the camp after the Ulster Final? You dont.

Its great to have so many experts on this board - many who seem to have gained their knowledge in the last few days

Ok then, if initial spread didn't come from within camp before ulster final and it was a new spread post Ulster final, than what happened after the Ulster final that seen it spread again so quickly? Have they completely abandoned covid protocols to help prevent such spread? After having an out break prior to Ulster final did they meet again on the Tuesday night to train/watch anyalysis/recover and throw out all protocols and social distancing despite having an out break previous week. Another 15 cases with new infection?  ;D ;D ;D

Knowledge is one thing but common sense is lacking  and deflection very popular on this board too.

Again proving you know absolutely nothing about what has happened in Tyrone and are resorting to guessing (again)
Genuis.

Strangely enough all of your guesses relate to wrongdoing on Tyrones part.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 12, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
I haven't guessed, I have asked questions.

Something has gone wrong. Is there lessons for the GAA to learn and prevent further disruption?

It seems you just want people to look elsewhere and give Tyrone all the ask for.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 03:03:22 PM
It is not about asking. Its about when it is safe to play and train again, and be clear form infection, lung problems and therefore less risk.  Over the last year we all heard of the events sometimes family events that seemed to bring about 10-20 cases in one evening. Other events did not, nobody still really knows the why so that is why we will take more precautions than even the govn/authorities insists we take.  Sadly and even with the best of intentions it can and will still go wrong.  Tyrone as a county have been very risk averse this year and so have the GAA and Irish people in general which is to their credit.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 03:03:22 PM
It is not about asking

There is your number 1 danger right there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

In a meeting it is only the team and whatever officials are required and you would hope that all are doing what they can in training, work etc to keep social distancing in place. When you go into the pub god knows who is there and who they have been in contact with over the last few days.  Add in a Ulster final win and everyone wants to talk to a team member and slap them on the back and tell them how great they are.


We seen enough of it here in Cavan after the club finals celebrations last year.

Try opening your mind a little.

The chances that one or more of the panel had Covid before the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid at the pub on the night of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid in another setting within a few days of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that 20 of the panel were infected in a superspreader event at the pub on Ulster final night is low.

The chances that a small number of infected members of the panel (infected pre, during or post the night at the pub) did not display Covid symptoms for anything up to 10 days after contracting Covid is high.

The chances of those infected players attending a lengthy video analysis session in the interim is  high.

The chances of that video session taking place in small, poorly ventilated environment is high.


——

The pub is likely part of the equation that has led Tyrone here. But see the like of you, who can thoughtlessly differentiate between some indoor spaces as being safe, and others as not being safe, you are actually a Covid danger if you live like this.

What are the chances that Tyrone had little or no Covid restrictions in place? Pretty high i would think and going by the bolded points above you would agree with that.  Also where is the Covid testing in all this are players not been tested weekly?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2021, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 12, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 12, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
Ah f**k the pub bashing has started again.

That solitary night in the pub must look at those dozens of meetings in changing rooms, video rooms and gyms, and think "there is none so blind as those who will not see".

As I said above, you could be 4 hours in the pub, the team likely did not have 4 hours of indoor meetings in a week.

In a meeting it is only the team and whatever officials are required and you would hope that all are doing what they can in training, work etc to keep social distancing in place. When you go into the pub god knows who is there and who they have been in contact with over the last few days.  Add in a Ulster final win and everyone wants to talk to a team member and slap them on the back and tell them how great they are.


We seen enough of it here in Cavan after the club finals celebrations last year.

Try opening your mind a little.

The chances that one or more of the panel had Covid before the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid at the pub on the night of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that one or more of the panel contracted Covid in another setting within a few days of the Ulster final is high.

The chances that 20 of the panel were infected in a superspreader event at the pub on Ulster final night is low.

The chances that a small number of infected members of the panel (infected pre, during or post the night at the pub) did not display Covid symptoms for anything up to 10 days after contracting Covid is high.

The chances of those infected players attending a lengthy video analysis session in the interim is  high.

The chances of that video session taking place in small, poorly ventilated environment is high.


——

The pub is likely part of the equation that has led Tyrone here. But see the like of you, who can thoughtlessly differentiate between some indoor spaces as being safe, and others as not being safe, you are actually a Covid danger if you live like this.

What are the chances that Tyrone had little or no Covid restrictions in place? Pretty high i would think and going by the bolded points above you would agree with that.  Also where is the Covid testing in all this are players not been tested weekly?

Athletes at the Olympic games were being tested on a daily basis as a precaution so the bare minimum testing requirements would be weekly especially at this stage of the championship I would imagine. Once the Covid outbreak was confirmed prior to the Monaghan match, you would like to think that testing would have been ramped up again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 12, 2021, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: Louther on August 12, 2021, 02:15:15 PM
Knowledge is one thing but common sense is lacking  and deflection very popular on this board too.

On this issue, there is deflection the likes of which has never been seen since Conor Gormley in the 2003 All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 12, 2021, 04:13:16 PM
Good to see all the Armagh posters back United under a common cause again. It's been too long.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 04:35:47 PM
Anyway. I fear those Armagh ones will soon get what they wish for... 
Moving on and assuming Tyrone's non involvement I still think we will get 2 decent games to enjoy.
Kerry I suggest will still beat the winners of Dublin and Mayo, and they are well used to getting to an all Ireland final without having to really break sweat for a century or more.  Never have any of their other all Irelands been really scrutinized or diminished and neither will this one be,  although as the Kerrymen used to argue that their backdoor success showed they were as capable as anyone of winning the hard way and that they were particularly pleased about that.   

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 04:35:47 PM
Anyway. I fear those Armagh ones will soon get what they wish for... 
Moving on and assuming Tyrone's non involvement I still think we will get 2 decent games to enjoy.
Kerry I suggest will still beat the winners of Dublin and Mayo, and they are well used to getting to an all Ireland final without having to really break sweat for a century or more.  Never have any of their other all Irelands been really scrutinized or diminished and neither will this one be,  although as the Kerrymen used to argue that their backdoor success showed they were as capable as anyone of winning the hard way and that they were particularly pleased about that.

Well I'm from Armagh so presumably I am going to get questions answered. Hooray for that then.

I would say that within Armagh there is a range of opinions on this including I will admit a body of opinion that will always be anti-Tyrone. But there was talk of blinkered thinking earlier. Blinkered thinking is never good. There will be blinkered thinking about Tyrone and blinkered thinking within Tyrone. Best to ignore all that. We want sensible and fair outcomes. That can only come about by asking questions and getting them answered.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 12, 2021, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 12, 2021, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 12, 2021, 04:35:47 PM
Anyway. I fear those Armagh ones will soon get what they wish for... 
Moving on and assuming Tyrone's non involvement I still think we will get 2 decent games to enjoy.
Kerry I suggest will still beat the winners of Dublin and Mayo, and they are well used to getting to an all Ireland final without having to really break sweat for a century or more.  Never have any of their other all Irelands been really scrutinized or diminished and neither will this one be,  although as the Kerrymen used to argue that their backdoor success showed they were as capable as anyone of winning the hard way and that they were particularly pleased about that.

Well I'm from Armagh so presumably I am going to get questions answered. Hooray for that then.

I would say that within Armagh there is a range of opinions on this including I will admit a body of opinion that will always be anti-Tyrone. But there was talk of blinkered thinking earlier. Blinkered thinking is never good. There will be blinkered thinking about Tyrone and blinkered thinking within Tyrone. Best to ignore all that. We want sensible and fair outcomes. That can only come about by asking questions and getting them answered.
To be fair it's down to the GAA to ask any questions they feel is required. If they feel they are required. But I think some questions Tyrone might not know what the right answer is. And the GAA are prob aware of that as well. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 12, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
Just catching up on some GAA podcasts, and hadn't realized that after the 4 provincial finals, Kerry were installed as favourites for Sam by all the bookies.  Probably 2011 the last time the Dubs weren't favs at the semi final stage.
Not sure whether Tyrone being severely hampered or pulling out will help or hinder them come the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Olly on August 12, 2021, 10:01:18 PM
Not being feeseascious here but would it spook Kerry if Tyrone came out coughing and all do you think Kerry would be afraid to tackle them?

I'm editing this to also suggest that like the foot in cow disease in the early 2000s that Tyrone people should be made to walk through a dip of sorts before walking into Croke Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Sportacus on August 12, 2021, 10:38:54 PM
Quote from: Olly on August 12, 2021, 10:01:18 PM
Not being feeseascious here but would it spook Kerry if Tyrone came out coughing and all do you think Kerry would be afraid to tackle them?

I'm editing this to also suggest that like the foot in cow disease in the early 2000s that Tyrone people should be made to walk through a dip of sorts before walking into Croke Park.
Foot in cow - sounds serious.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 12, 2021, 11:43:07 PM
Whole Tyrone crowd should cough continously on the 6th minute
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: viperhiggins on August 13, 2021, 06:19:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
Just catching up on some GAA podcasts, and hadn't realized that after the 4 provincial finals, Kerry were installed as favourites for Sam by all the bookies.  Probably 2011 the last time the Dubs weren't favs at the semi final stage.
Not sure whether Tyrone being severely hampered or pulling out will help or hinder them come the final.

They will have to beat Tyrone first.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: themac_23 on August 13, 2021, 08:40:02 AM
With the close contact isolation rules changing on Monday in the north means any of the players isolating who didn't test positive will be back training (assuming they had both jabs) surely that will help. Also, I'd say the relaxing of the isolation rules will help with club championships too m, maybe too late to make a difference to the Tyrone situation
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 13, 2021, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 13, 2021, 06:19:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
Just catching up on some GAA podcasts, and hadn't realized that after the 4 provincial finals, Kerry were installed as favourites for Sam by all the bookies.  Probably 2011 the last time the Dubs weren't favs at the semi final stage.
Not sure whether Tyrone being severely hampered or pulling out will help or hinder them come the final.

They will have to beat Tyrone first.

They have to get a team together first, hopefully they will though
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 13, 2021, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on August 13, 2021, 08:40:02 AM
With the close contact isolation rules changing on Monday in the north means any of the players isolating who didn't test positive will be back training (assuming they had both jabs) surely that will help. Also, I'd say the relaxing of the isolation rules will help with club championships too m, maybe too late to make a difference to the Tyrone situation

Did Michelle O'Neill promote the spread of Covid19 just to save Tyrone's blushes?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Everton have 5 players isolating due to Covid so these clusters can happen at elite professional level as well. There has been no talk of them seeking 2 weeks to prepare for their next match though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: NotedObserver on August 13, 2021, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Everton have 5 players isolating due to Covid so these clusters can happen at elite professional level as well. There has been no talk of them seeking 2 weeks to prepare for their next match though.

If they had 15 out I think you'd hear from them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Everton have 5 players isolating due to Covid so these clusters can happen at elite professional level as well. There has been no talk of them seeking 2 weeks to prepare for their next match though.
5 cases.... 20 cases... That's basically the same right?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 13, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Everton have 5 players isolating due to Covid so these clusters can happen at elite professional level as well. There has been no talk of them seeking 2 weeks to prepare for their next match though.

Tyrone has five confirmed cases ahead of monaghan game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 13, 2021, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

Tyrone must play. Is it ideal? No. But they must fulfil the fixture. It's and All Ireland Semi Final!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: Cobra on August 13, 2021, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

Tyrone must play. Is it ideal? No. But they must fulfil the fixture. It's and All Ireland Semi Final!

I don't agree. There is no precedent for this. Well there is Sligo last year, but they were forced to concede and weren't expected to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: Cobra on August 13, 2021, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

Tyrone must play. Is it ideal? No. But they must fulfil the fixture. It's and All Ireland Semi Final!

That's madness.

If the match is scheduled to go ahead Tyrone can assess what players are available to them. But the option of not fulfilling the fixture must be open to them.

I think they should try their best to fulfil the fixture whilst addressing their player welfare concerns but that that very far from saying they must be made to fulfil the fixture
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: NotedObserver on August 13, 2021, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2021, 01:28:50 PM
Everton have 5 players isolating due to Covid so these clusters can happen at elite professional level as well. There has been no talk of them seeking 2 weeks to prepare for their next match though.

If they had 15 out I think you'd hear from them

15 and 5 are clearly not the same.

But knockout semifinal at end of season is also not the same a league match at beginning of 9 month league season within which multiple matches are rearranged routinely
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 13, 2021, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.

Agree. Also regardless of how sick they are, they cannot train as a team. Imagine saying to any team half of use can't train before an AI semi final and at the very best you will have 2 full training sessions in a 3 week period.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 13, 2021, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.
But the symptoms are exactly what will decide if Tyrone will field next week or not.
Half the team have been training together this week, the other half isolating, doing whatever they can on their own.
The periods of isolation end on Saturday, Tuesday and next Saturday for three different groups of players. The vast majority are expected to be clear by Tuesday.

The player welfare concern is nothing to do with 'normal' Covid symptoms, ie fatigue, headaches, loss of smell/taste, etc. If that's all that was wrong, they'd be good to go, far from ideal preparation and very difficult to win with that preparation, but still well able to field a team (assuming all negative Covid by that stage).

The player welfare bit is around heart (and other) health checks that each impacted player will need to go through. Covid can impact on heart health. And as Tom Parsons said in interviews, the very last thing anyone wants is someone's heart show a Covid impact under the pressure and physical exertions of an All Ireland semi final. If a check does show up a concern for any player, an extra week won't make a damned bit of difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: greatpoint on August 13, 2021, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.

Jesus would you give over with the pearl clutching, this is a GAA discussion board.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

It's really none of of your business what someone's medical condition is.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2021, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

It's really none of of your business what someone's medical condition is.

+1.

Either the GAA decide there's no room for extension or there is. If they have the ability to offer the delay then they should side on the side of player welfare. If not then it's a pointless discussion.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 13, 2021, 08:18:01 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0813/1240683-sean-boylan-nonsensical-to-think-tyrone-will-recover/
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.

Just take a moment to take off the blinkers and reflect on that.

If you genuinely believe that the GAA should treat the situation if Tyrone have 20 very seriously ill players with no timeframe fir recovery exactly the same as if the they have 20 lads who tested positive a week ago but were a symptomatic back then and still so now then plainly say that.

If you think that the 2 situations differ then retract your earlier statement and acknowledge that you were wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 13, 2021, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.

Agree. Also regardless of how sick they are, they cannot train as a team. Imagine saying to any team half of use can't train before an AI semi final and at the very best you will have 2 full training sessions in a 3 week period.

Will the Tyrone club championship be run on this basis for ever more?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2021, 08:34:31 PM
IF Tyrone do pull out, (I can't see it happening) will the final go ahead on 29th August or 4th September?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

It's really none of of your business what someone's medical condition is.
I have asked for the details of any named person's medical condition. If you think I have you will no doubt be honourable enough to point out where I did so?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2021, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

It's really none of of your business what someone's medical condition is.

+1.

Either the GAA decide there's no room for extension or there is. If they have the ability to offer the delay then they should side on the side of player welfare. If not then it's a pointless discussion.

Yes HQ should set out their stall on this one
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 13, 2021, 09:52:13 PM
Not Matter a damn anyway Kerry will win regardless, Tyrone haven't improved that much past few months. But getting ready made excuses in place if trimmed. Not taking in they been trimmed by the same team only a few months bck.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 13, 2021, 09:52:13 PM
Not Matter a damn anyway Kerry will win regardless, Tyrone haven't improved that much past few months. But getting ready made excuses in place if trimmed. Not taking in they been trimmed by the same team only a few months bck.
Trimmed yes.
Championship no.
Context everything.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.

Just take a moment to take off the blinkers and reflect on that.

If you genuinely believe that the GAA should treat the situation if Tyrone have 20 very seriously ill players with no timeframe fir recovery exactly the same as if the they have 20 lads who tested positive a week ago but were a symptomatic back then and still so now then plainly say that.

If you think that the 2 situations differ then retract your earlier statement and acknowledge that you were wrong

Form an administrative point of view the two situations are exactly the same, 20 players have tested positive. Either GAA headquarters have wriggle room to postpone the game again or not, at which time Tyrone GAA will have to make a decision if it is safe for those involved and the match can proceed or if they withdraw from the competition. It is irrelevant if the people involved are seriously ill or not, which as I stated originally is neither here nor there, and is of no consequence to the scheduling of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: RedKinght on August 13, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 13, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2021, 01:44:57 PM
So will the game be played next week or not?

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say no MR2. Tyrone will opt out of it at the weekend. Can't be expected to play an all ireland semi the week after having covid. Had it have been a few players it would be fine. Not half the squad though. Would be madness to try and play.

There is a context missing here. One of the questions I wanted answered was how many players are actually sick? The answer to that is an important piece of context

There is no context missing, if someone has tested positive for covid then that is all that anyone needs to know medically. Nobody especially the GAA community on a discussion board are entitled to ascertain the severity of the diagnosis. Employers may ask for confirmation of a positive result but even they wouldn't ask for a diagnosis of symptoms.

Just take a moment to take off the blinkers and reflect on that.

If you genuinely believe that the GAA should treat the situation if Tyrone have 20 very seriously ill players with no timeframe fir recovery exactly the same as if the they have 20 lads who tested positive a week ago but were a symptomatic back then and still so now then plainly say that.

If you think that the 2 situations differ then retract your earlier statement and acknowledge that you were wrong

Form an administrative point of view the two situations are exactly the same, either GAA headquarters have wriggle room to postpone the game again or not, at which time Tyrone GAA will have to make a decision if it is safe for those involved and the match can proceed or if they withdraw from the competition. It is irrelevant if the people involved are seriously ill or not, which as I stated originally is neither here nor there, and is of no consequence to the scheduling of the game.

No they are not.

The first issue to be addressed is what flexibility the GAA can offer. And on that one issue the degree of sickness is an irrelevance.

The second issue is of the flexibility the GAA can offer how much should they offer. Relevant to that inter alia will be the various contexts already discussed of which one will be the ability to field. A sick player is less capable to field than a recovering player. A recovering player is less capable to field that a previously positive but asymptomatic player etc
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielding a team next week.
County Board released a statement.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielded a team next week.

Very bad form from Tyrone, there are 25 fit players within Tyrone to fulfill the fixture. They were massive underdogs before Covid so it will likely make no difference to the predicted outcome. Unless they are taking the huff and are simply trying to call the GAA's bluff. The biggest losers if the game doesn't go ahead will be Kerry who have cakewalked their way into an All Ireland final without any sort of test. Does this now mean the final will revert to the original date? All sorts of questions remain. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielding a team next week.

Very bad form from Tyrone, there are 25 fit players within Tyrone to fulfill the fixture. They were massive underdogs before Covid so it will likely make no difference to the predicted outcome. Unless they are taking the huff and are simply trying to call the GAA's bluff. The biggest losers if the game doesn't go ahead will be Kerry who have cakewalked their way into an All Ireland final without any sort of test. Does this now mean the final will revert to the original date? All sorts of questions remain. 
Putting the pressure on early to get the extra week??
But, how much of a difference will another 7days actually make?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 01:26:16 PM
I think they are right to do this. What's the point in pulling boys who haven't been near a county setup into a team to just put up a show and likely get hammered. It would do nothing for anyone. If boys are properly sick too then they shouldn't be under pressure to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielded a team next week.

Very bad form from Tyrone, there are 25 fit players within Tyrone to fulfill the fixture. They were massive underdogs before Covid so it will likely make no difference to the predicted outcome. Unless they are taking the huff and are simply trying to call the GAA's bluff. The biggest losers if the game doesn't go ahead will be Kerry who have cakewalked their way into an All Ireland final without any sort of test. Does this now mean the final will revert to the original date? All sorts of questions remain.
You cannot realistically expect them to pull men out of the air to play an AI Semi Final.


That is exactly the expectation. Terribly sorry lads, but field a side or pull out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielding a team next week.

Very bad form from Tyrone, there are 25 fit players within Tyrone to fulfill the fixture. They were massive underdogs before Covid so it will likely make no difference to the predicted outcome. Unless they are taking the huff and are simply trying to call the GAA's bluff. The biggest losers if the game doesn't go ahead will be Kerry who have cakewalked their way into an All Ireland final without any sort of test. Does this now mean the final will revert to the original date? All sorts of questions remain. 
Putting the pressure on early to get the extra week??
But, how much of a difference will another 7days actually make?

It will keep them in the championship a week longer than they would otherwise have been!

I do have some sympathy for the players affected but the county board also have a duty to play the fixture regardless. I previously thought that this was just an idle threat and honestly never thought they would actually withdraw. I still think there is a bit of brinksmanship around this decision and that they are just trying to see can they squeeze another week from the GAA.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
Right call from Tyrone. Poor form from the GAA expecting players to play an all ireland semi final a few days after ending isolation. It's just dangerous to expect that intending
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2021, 01:35:11 PM
Allow Monaghan re-enter the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielded a team next week.

Very bad form from Tyrone, there are 25 fit players within Tyrone to fulfill the fixture. They were massive underdogs before Covid so it will likely make no difference to the predicted outcome. Unless they are taking the huff and are simply trying to call the GAA's bluff. The biggest losers if the game doesn't go ahead will be Kerry who have cakewalked their way into an All Ireland final without any sort of test. Does this now mean the final will revert to the original date? All sorts of questions remain.
You cannot realistically expect them to pull men out of the air to play an AI Semi Final.


That is exactly the expectation. Terribly sorry lads, but field a side or pull out.

Isn't pulling out exactly what they're doing?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 14, 2021, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2021, 01:35:11 PM
Allow Monaghan re-enter the championship.
I wonder is there any precedence for this?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 14, 2021, 01:53:07 PM
can the gaa not play final in october
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on August 14, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
QuoteTyrone GAA Statement Re- All Ireland Football Semi-Final V. Kerry
August 14th, 2021

This morning, the Tyrone GAA Management Committee has decided that it is not in a position to field its senior football team in the rescheduled All-Ireland football championship semi-final in Croke Park, on next Saturday.
Having received expert medical opinion on the existing, and future health and welfare of the players who contracted the Covid19 virus during the period of this last two weeks, and following consultation with the team's management, this decision has been made with the greatest reluctance, and with deep regret.
It is acknowledged that the decision taken will cause major disappointment and significant inconvenience for the Association, in general, the GAA fraternity of Kerry, and especially for Tyrone's patrons and supporters, but the welfare and safety of players has been the over-riding factor in all considerations of this difficult situation.

https://tyronegaa.ie/2021/08/tyrone-gaa-statement-re-all-ireland-football-semi-final-v-kerry/

I always thought that if the number of cases was as high as rumoured that it was always likely that Tyrone wouldn't be able to field.
Probably won't ever come out but it would be interesting to know how exactly there were two outbreaks in the same squad and what sort of percentage of the squad was vaccinated.
I've younger relatives who were absolutely racing to get the vaccine as soon as they could for fear they would miss county championship games.
Hopefully none of those infected suffer any long-term damage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GlenMan on August 14, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 14, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
QuoteTyrone GAA Statement Re- All Ireland Football Semi-Final V. Kerry
August 14th, 2021

This morning, the Tyrone GAA Management Committee has decided that it is not in a position to field its senior football team in the rescheduled All-Ireland football championship semi-final in Croke Park, on next Saturday.
Having received expert medical opinion on the existing, and future health and welfare of the players who contracted the Covid19 virus during the period of this last two weeks, and following consultation with the team's management, this decision has been made with the greatest reluctance, and with deep regret.
It is acknowledged that the decision taken will cause major disappointment and significant inconvenience for the Association, in general, the GAA fraternity of Kerry, and especially for Tyrone's patrons and supporters, but the welfare and safety of players has been the over-riding factor in all considerations of this difficult situation.

https://tyronegaa.ie/2021/08/tyrone-gaa-statement-re-all-ireland-football-semi-final-v-kerry/

I always thought that if the number of cases was as high as rumoured that it was always likely that Tyrone wouldn't be able to field.
Probably won't ever come out but it would be interesting to know how exactly there were two outbreaks in the same squad and what sort of percentage of the squad was vaccinated.
I've younger relatives who were absolutely racing to get the vaccine as soon as they could for fear they would miss county championship games.
Hopefully none of those infected suffer any long-term damage.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting Covid and testing positive though?

Agreed that it's going to be a big issue during the Club Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:05:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
Tyrone not fielded a team next week.

Very bad form from Tyrone, there are 25 fit players within Tyrone to fulfill the fixture. They were massive underdogs before Covid so it will likely make no difference to the predicted outcome. Unless they are taking the huff and are simply trying to call the GAA's bluff. The biggest losers if the game doesn't go ahead will be Kerry who have cakewalked their way into an All Ireland final without any sort of test. Does this now mean the final will revert to the original date? All sorts of questions remain.
You cannot realistically expect them to pull men out of the air to play an AI Semi Final.


That is exactly the expectation. Terribly sorry lads, but field a side or pull out.

Isn't pulling out exactly what they're doing?

If you take it at face value, yes. I suspect its a strategy
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 02:22:40 PM
My understanding is that Tyrone have not withdrawn from the competition.

They have advised HQ that they will not be fulfilling the scheduled fixture.

The 2 are not the same.

Ball is in GAA's court.

What flexibility the GAA have and what their assessment of the position within Tyrone is will both be interesting reading.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 02:25:43 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 01:26:16 PM
I think they are right to do this. What's the point in pulling boys who haven't been near a county setup into a team to just put up a show and likely get hammered. It would do nothing for anyone. If boys are properly sick too then they shouldn't be under pressure to play.

Do you know how many of the panel would be ready to go by next weekend?
How many players will have to drafted in from outside the squad?

But I agree that sick players shouldn't be under pressure to play but we know that they were not under pressure to play
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 14, 2021, 02:46:37 PM
Have Tyrone withdrawn our simply putting out this statement in order for HQ to push the semi final back another week?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 02:22:40 PM
My understanding is that Tyrone have not withdrawn from the competition.

They have advised HQ that they will not be fulfilling the scheduled fixture.

The 2 are not the same.

Ball is in GAA's court.

What flexibility the GAA have and what their assessment of the position within Tyrone is will both be interesting reading.

On that basis most people will see this for what it is then. A cynical attempt by a county board to force the GAA's hand into granting them an extra week preparation time dressed up in a PR statement with some flowery language. Their manager is a lawyer so it is likely that he would have known what was being put into the statement. Lets see how all of this plays out but the cynic in me tends to think that it is simply a power play by Tyrone. How can they decide that they won't be fulfilling the fixture based on the medical condition of their players when the match is still 7 days away.

There are 3 possible outcomes here:

1) Tyrone do not fulfill the fixture in which case the GAA will have to decide on what sanctions to impose on Tyrone GAA for failing to field.
2) The GAA bow to pressure from Tyrone county board and grant them their extra week.
3) The GAA reinstate Monaghan and play the semi final as planned next week.

I think we can rule out option 3 as a non starter. So then it is a blinking contest between Tyrone county board and HQ.

What tends to get forgotten in all of this is that Tyrone had a minimal chance of beating Kerry in the first instance, it was perceived as a shot to nothing before the Covid outbreak. In many ways they have nothing to lose here. If they were the overwhelming favourites to progress I doubt if they would be throwing the toys out of the pram in the same manner.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on August 14, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: GlenMan on August 14, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 14, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
QuoteTyrone GAA Statement Re- All Ireland Football Semi-Final V. Kerry
August 14th, 2021

This morning, the Tyrone GAA Management Committee has decided that it is not in a position to field its senior football team in the rescheduled All-Ireland football championship semi-final in Croke Park, on next Saturday.
Having received expert medical opinion on the existing, and future health and welfare of the players who contracted the Covid19 virus during the period of this last two weeks, and following consultation with the team's management, this decision has been made with the greatest reluctance, and with deep regret.
It is acknowledged that the decision taken will cause major disappointment and significant inconvenience for the Association, in general, the GAA fraternity of Kerry, and especially for Tyrone's patrons and supporters, but the welfare and safety of players has been the over-riding factor in all considerations of this difficult situation.

https://tyronegaa.ie/2021/08/tyrone-gaa-statement-re-all-ireland-football-semi-final-v-kerry/

I always thought that if the number of cases was as high as rumoured that it was always likely that Tyrone wouldn't be able to field.
Probably won't ever come out but it would be interesting to know how exactly there were two outbreaks in the same squad and what sort of percentage of the squad was vaccinated.
I've younger relatives who were absolutely racing to get the vaccine as soon as they could for fear they would miss county championship games.
Hopefully none of those infected suffer any long-term damage.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting Covid and testing positive though?

Agreed that it's going to be a big issue during the Club Championship.

It's not 100% but it reduces the odds of catching it substantially and if you do catch it, it's a lot less severe.
Based on the rumoured number of cases, it's very hard to imagine many if any of the Tyrone panel were vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Solo_run on August 14, 2021, 03:00:35 PM
Shame we weren't going to see another hammering 😔
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 03:01:53 PM
In a potentially libellous twitter rant, Ewan Mackenna wants a two year ban and relegation to division 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on August 14, 2021, 03:07:04 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

I'd have serious question marks about how good they were in terms of their COVID compliance.
There's seems to be a very big gap between doing the utter bare minimum as set down in the laws/regulations and doing absolutely everything in your power to avoid COVID.
While they might not have done anything wrong, it's very hard to imagine there couldn't have been more careful, given there were supposedly two separate outbreaks and the numbers reportedly infected. I was talking to someone from Kerry last week and they were saying they'd heard of one Kerry player who'd moved into a house on his own out the country to reduce his risk as he had a few siblings and he was concerned because they were all socialising . From what he was saying this was off the individual's own bat but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players from the other teams left were on defacto lock-down at this stage of affairs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2021, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 14, 2021, 03:07:04 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

I'd have serious question marks about how good they were in terms of their COVID compliance.
There's seems to be a very big gap between doing the utter bare minimum as set down in the laws/regulations and doing absolutely everything in your power to avoid COVID.
While they might not have done anything wrong, it's very hard to imagine there couldn't have been more careful, given there were supposedly two separate outbreaks and the numbers reportedly infected. I was talking to someone from Kerry last week and they were saying they'd heard of one Kerry player who'd moved into a house on his own out the country to reduce his risk as he had a few siblings and he was concerned because they were all socialising . From what he was saying this was off the individual's own bat but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players from the other teams left were on defacto lock-down at this stage of affairs.

The level of dimwittery in some of the posts regarding this is staggering. You do realise these are amateur players with jobs to go to, families you look after and lives to lead. Do you really think they can go into defacto lock down? That might be ok if you are semi professional like the Kerry and Dublin lads seem to be these days.

Tyrone have a large number of players who have caught a serious virus that has ravaged through communities across the world and is particularly prevalent amongst the community in Tyrone currently - this was always something that could unfortunately happen. They have lads in the panel who have been in bed for days and others who have lost over a stone in weight, this is not a ruse, this is not a game, this is not a conspiracy. Tyrone have taken a very tough decision based on player welfare and I applaud them for it. I do think the GAA need to have a look at themselves as to whether they handled this appropriately.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: WT4E on August 14, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
Well to be fair they didn't really help that argument with the 2 day session.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:20:06 PM
The talk of how the covid outbreaks happened is nonsense. Pure speculation and unfair for those involved
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:26:13 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 14, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
Well to be fair they didn't really help that argument with the 2 day session.
Young men went to a pub? Bastards!

.... and caught Covid, brought it to training and spread it....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
Speculation

What is?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 14, 2021, 03:30:55 PM
Why were they training this week if they were gonna pull out this morning?
Why are they due to train this weekend .
So clubs can expect there players back tomorrow and next week if they have pulled pin on game?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:34:37 PM
Speculation gets us nowhere. In essence there will be speculation in many directions and people will chose to believe the speculation that suits their position.

We need clear statements of fact. There are basic questions that need answered by GAA and Tyrone.

I am a little worried that some here in addition to being against speculation are also against questions being asked or god forbid answered
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:40:36 PM
These for starters but I have posted others....
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:40:36 PM
These for starters but I have posted others....
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.
So, who should be asking these questions?

The questions that need to be answered by the GAA should be asked by every sports journalist worth their salt.

The questions that Tyrone answer should be asked by GAA and answers demanded. I would expect that journalists should be asking them also.

This is fairly basic stuff
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:40:36 PM
These for starters but I have posted others....
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.
So, who should be asking these questions?

The questions that need to be answered by the GAA should be asked by every sports journalist worth their salt.

The questions that Tyrone answer should be asked by GAA and answers demanded. I would expect that journalists should be asking them also.

This is fairly basic stuff

Do you want the medical records for amateur sportsmen? You're making a show of yourself here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:40:36 PM
These for starters but I have posted others....
Quote from: LCohen on August 11, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
Surely the player welfare issue rests with Tyrone and the competition rules and integrity rests with the GAA?

If Tyrone have concerns over the impact of playing and training then they will work around that and player welfare concerns will be paramount?
The GAA have to consider what flexibility is available and use that flexibility equitably.

A few clear statements form the respective parties would help.
Tyrone could give a clear statement of the number of squad members with positive tests, the number of those that are symptomatic and the dates of the positive tests. No need to release player names.
Similarly the number of those self isolating as close contacts and the confirmation that there is an ongoing testing programme so that these guys can be released ASAP.
They could also make a clear statement of what steps they took when the first positive results came through.

The GAA should make a clear statement as to what is the latest date the game can be played (and why).
If the original deferral was the maximum possible deferral then they should make it clear that the original deferral granted to Tyrone would not be available to Kerry should they find themselves in the same situation.

The absence of clear statements reflects badly on each.
So, who should be asking these questions?

The questions that need to be answered by the GAA should be asked by every sports journalist worth their salt.

The questions that Tyrone answer should be asked by GAA and answers demanded. I would expect that journalists should be asking them also.

This is fairly basic stuff

Do you want the medical records for amateur sportsmen? You're making a show of yourself here.
If that is your reading of I posted then I cannot help you.

The questions are clear and Tyrone's ability to answer is clear. There would be no credible excuse for not answering them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
Speculation

What is?
Your post. Indeed, basically everything you've posted on this topic.

So they haven't pulled out of the game because 20 players tested positive?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:25 PM
Anti-Tyrone bias is really clouding some people's judgement here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:25 PM
Anti-Tyrone bias is really clouding some people's judgement here.

Give over. Don't hide behind that nonsense
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

And you have proof that they went on the lash?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around
I honestly hope that works out for you.

Are there any of the questions that you don't think should be asked/answered?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2021, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

There's f**k all to celebrate if you win a Munster title.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 14, 2021, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

Time for the GAA authorities to quickly inform Monaghan that they'll be representing Ulster. That way there will still be a big gate and Kerry get a meaningful game before the final. Let's face it, an extra week wouldn't make any difference to Tyrone if so many players are as sick as they're saying.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around
I honestly hope that works out for you.

Are there any of the questions that you don't think should be asked/answered?
No.
What steps do you think should be taken to ensure they are asked and answered?

And if comes to it and they are asked but not answered what should happen?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:20:40 PM
Time to stop this chat of Monaghan coming back into this
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Seriously, so anybody who has caught or died from co-vid have done something wrong?

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here by the way.  A lot of posters on here are like oul women spreading gossip about mad 'celebrations' after the Ulster win. Where is the evidence of these celebrations and where is the evidence that these celebrations contravened regulation or law? Slabbers.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

And you have proof that they went on the lash?

Kind of, yes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Seriously, so anybody who has caught or died from co-vid have done something wrong?


When 20 people in a group get it, yes, something went wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around
I honestly hope that works out for you.

Are there any of the questions that you don't think should be asked/answered?
No.
What steps do you think should be taken to ensure they are asked and answered?

And if comes to it and they are asked but not answered what should happen?
No idea.

No point talking about it until they're asked.

If you are telling me that the week extension was granted without these questions be asked and answered I would have to say I'm very surprised. I would think other counties (not least Kerry, Sligo and Fermanagh) would be outraged (rightly) by that fact.
If a further extension request was submitted and updated answers not sought and provided I would be also shocked.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 14, 2021, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Tyrone are calling the gaa's bluff here expecting them to back down. The gaa shouldn't give in to this bullying behaviour. The simple solution is to ask Monaghan to represent Ulster in the all Ireland. The Monaghan players won't have lost any fitness as they've been training with their clubs in the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

And you have proof that they went on the lash?

Kind of, yes.

Kind of?? You either do or you don't
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around
I honestly hope that works out for you.

Are there any of the questions that you don't think should be asked/answered?
No.
What steps do you think should be taken to ensure they are asked and answered?

And if comes to it and they are asked but not answered what should happen?
No idea.

No point talking about it until they're asked.

If you are telling me that the week extension was granted without these questions be asked and answered I would have to say I'm very surprised. I would think other counties (not least Kerry, Sligo and Fermanagh) would be outraged (rightly) by that fact.
If a further extension request was submitted and updated answers not sought and provided I would be also shocked.
I'm not telling you that. I've no idea.

Well when you asked what step should be taken you said you would answer that until key questions were asked. That just looks like evasion as we both know there is no set of circumstances in which they questions have not already been asked on at least 1 occasion
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.

And you have proof that they went on the lash?

Kind of, yes.

Kind of?? You either do or you don't

Someone I know served them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 14, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong
Catch a grip.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
Ticket sale has just went live on the website. GAA are calling Tyrones raise and going all in.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 14, 2021, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Footballers don't exist in a parallel universe, many ways to catch covid and then very easy spread in a squad

Correct. But other counties weren't ravaged. There was clearly an outbreak within the panel and spread within the panel. That's on the management. Specifically celebations after the Ulster final.

What celebrations?

It s alleged they cut loose and went on a bender after the UF

Alleged. So not 'specifically celebrations after the Ulster Final.'

Ok. The Tyrone players went on the lash after the UF. That's not in dispute. Whether or not thats how Covid entered the bubble or not is a legitimate question. But you can be damn sure Kerry weren't that foolish.
Nothing to celebrate about winning a Munster championship for Kerry that's why. Unfortunately Tyrone didn't have the luxury of winning a provincial in second gear....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 14, 2021, 04:57:25 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
Ticket sale has just went live on the website. GAA are calling Tyrones raise and going all in.

How are there tickets for sale. Surely now with tyrones statement kerry are through to the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 14, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong
Catch a grip.

Why? This is a shitshow
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Well that's a lie red hand.. it's 10 days isolation.. They've had long enough and if it's pushed back again then that interferes with every club championship. Tyrone should be out and not mess up the Gaelic calendar
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Tyrone have assessed the situation of their players and have announced that they cannot play the game next week.

No more, no less.

We can speculate 'til the cows come home but it makes no difference. If the GAA decide that Kerry continue to the final, so be it.

Tyrone have done nothing wrong here as far as I can see.

If 20 of your players catch Covid they have done something wrong

Seriously, so anybody who has caught or died from co-vid have done something wrong?


When 20 people in a group get it, yes, something went wrong.

Seriously. You are talking about a group of players who are from various parts of a large geographical area, not a small town classroom here. From Glenmornan up to the Moy and every town in between, of course the risk is higher given the players are out working etc. eveyday in all parts of the country.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Well that's a lie red hand.. it's 10 days isolation.. They've had long enough and if it's pushed back again then that interferes with every club championship. Tyrone should be out and not mess up the Gaelic calendar

Sure the calendar is always messed up and even more so since COVID.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
Brave men out on the Lash in Dungannon, town got so rough rough on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 14, 2021, 05:25:09 PM
The GAA has dug itself into a hole. Rules v Medicine

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 05:04:48 PM
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And until they do that, we just sit and wait.....

Break that down.

If the GAA are refusing to make a clear statement you expect the media to embarrass them in to action.

Similarly if they refuse to ask the right questions and demand answers then the media will hang them out to dry. Rightly.

If GAA announce that they have asked the correct questions of Tyrone but Tyrone did not comply then I would expect the strongest possible punishment for Tyrone.

All of the above can happen quickly. No need to wait around
I honestly hope that works out for you.

Are there any of the questions that you don't think should be asked/answered?
No.
What steps do you think should be taken to ensure they are asked and answered?

And if comes to it and they are asked but not answered what should happen?
No idea.

No point talking about it until they're asked.

If you are telling me that the week extension was granted without these questions be asked and answered I would have to say I'm very surprised. I would think other counties (not least Kerry, Sligo and Fermanagh) would be outraged (rightly) by that fact.
If a further extension request was submitted and updated answers not sought and provided I would be also shocked.
I'm not telling you that. I've no idea.

Well when you asked what step should be taken you said you would answer that until key questions were asked. That just looks like evasion as we both know there is no set of circumstances in which they questions have not already been asked on at least 1 occasion
I don't know what questions have been asked nor the answers given.

So we are back to looking at what steps should be taken if the questions are not answered. What is your view on that issue? Ie the question you were asked a while back
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 05:27:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 14, 2021, 05:25:09 PM
The GAA has dug itself into a hole. Rules v Medicine

Explain?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 14, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 14, 2021, 05:25:09 PM
The GAA has dug itself into a hole. Rules v Medicine
More like one rule for Tyrone and another for Sligo and Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 05:31:27 PM
Some people here seem to think that these boys are professionals who should be living in bubbles by the sounds of it. They're not owned by the Gaa or Tyrone Gaa. If some of them haven't shown personal responsibility bigger problem for workmates and family than some random joe Gaa supporter who'll never be near them. That's not to say they haven't been. Tbh 20 people getting it is a public health problem more than an outrage at a sports team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Snapchap on August 14, 2021, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2021, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Tyrone are calling the gaa's bluff here expecting them to back down. The gaa shouldn't give in to this bullying behaviour. The simple solution is to ask Monaghan to represent Ulster in the all Ireland. The Monaghan players won't have lost any fitness as they've been training with their clubs in the last 2 weeks.
Yeah sure why do county teams bother training at all if training separately with their clubs is just a effective.

Such a bit on nonsense. Sending Monaghan out to face Kerry in an AI Semi with no training would be akin to sending put a club team. Lambs to the slaughter. A daft suggestion.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on August 14, 2021, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2021, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Tyrone are calling the gaa's bluff here expecting them to back down. The gaa shouldn't give in to this bullying behaviour. The simple solution is to ask Monaghan to represent Ulster in the all Ireland. The Monaghan players won't have lost any fitness as they've been training with their clubs in the last 2 weeks.
Yeah sure why do county teams bother training at all if training separately with their clubs is just a effective.

Such a bit on nonsense. Sending Monaghan out to face Kerry in an AI Semi with no training would be akin to sending put a club team. Lambs to the slaughter. A daft suggestion.
To be fair, would you expect any different from Lenny?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 14, 2021, 05:58:51 PM
Fergal has said Tyrone are not forfeiting, only stating that they cannot fulfill the fixture next week and they want the extra week.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Covid is about, one or two people might get it. That is no reason for postponement of the game. If a load of people have it, then they likely got it from each other and the game should not be postponed for something Tyrone did to themselves. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Covid is about, one or two people might get it. That is no reason for postponement of the game. If a load of people have it, then they likely got it from each other and the game should not be postponed for something Tyrone did to themselves.

Did to themselves? Such bollix. Tyrone is rife with COVID at the minute. The GAA have already postponed the game. So they obviously don't agree with you. And rightly so. Whether they are in a position to over a longer.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
Any chance you can wait to the Mayo game over. Fed up Tyrone trying to be the centre of attention.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:41:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
Any chance you can wait to the Mayo game over. Fed up Tyrone trying to be the centre of attention.

It's not shapchat. The posts will still be there for you after the game ya clown.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.
Yapping looking delays and playing a bluffers hand imo. Tomas O'Se has obviously seen the footage, he wasn't having it. Can't play the poor mouth if it's self inflicted.

If this first semi continues in the same scour vein, Tyrone will probably get their stay of execution as the GAA will be hoping for a decent game of football somewhere along the way (Ulster Championship aside).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Well that's a lie red hand.. it's 10 days isolation.. They've had long enough and if it's pushed back again then that interferes with every club championship. Tyrone should be out and not mess up the Gaelic calendar

I could show you a dozen articles warning about the risk of returning to full training after a positive test. Here is just one.  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398)


Here's an American one. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19  (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19)

You know what, here's a third. Pulmonologists in the Lancet recommend no more than "light aerobic exercise like walking" from days 10 to 17 after testing positive.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext  (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext)

So I'm not lying at all. Do you really expect Tyrone to play an all ireland semi final this week?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.
Yapping looking delays and playing a bluffers hand imo. Thomas O'Se has obviously seen the footage, he wasn't having it. Can't play the poor mouth if it's self inflicted.

If this first semi continues in the same scour vein, Tyrone will probably get their stay of execution as the GAA will be hoping for a decent game of football somewhere along the way (Ulster Championship aside).

Seen what? Boys out in a pub? I'll be keen to see where the GAA could use that as a reason to give or not give a postponement. It's an amateur sport, some people need to cop on to that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Well that's a lie red hand.. it's 10 days isolation.. They've had long enough and if it's pushed back again then that interferes with every club championship. Tyrone should be out and not mess up the Gaelic calendar

I could show you a dozen articles warning about the risk of returning to full training after a positive test. Here is just one.  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398)


Here's an American one. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19  (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19)

You know what, here's a third. Pulmonologists in the Lancet recommend no more than "light aerobic exercise like walking" from days 10 to 17 after testing positive.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext  (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext)

So I'm not lying at all. Do you really expect Tyrone to play an all ireland semi final this week?

Did you read those articles? Says 3 to 6 months before returning? Away and jog on Red Hand, how long do you want to wait? Until next year.. Tyrone can't fulfil the fixture if you're going down the toute of those articles.. Kerry vs Dublin final, Tyrone shouldn't hold up the whole club championship.. Try again next year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.
Are you on an Inter County Senior panel preparing for an AISF? I'd say if you were you might have waited a few weeks, not that big a sacrifice.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.
Are you on an Inter County Senior panel preparing for an AISF? I'd say if you were you might have waited a few weeks, not that big a sacrifice.
That's your opinion. But it has no impact on the decision making process for the gaa. And that's without considering if the pub was the cause in the first place.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 14, 2021, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Well that's a lie red hand.. it's 10 days isolation.. They've had long enough and if it's pushed back again then that interferes with every club championship. Tyrone should be out and not mess up the Gaelic calendar

I could show you a dozen articles warning about the risk of returning to full training after a positive test. Here is just one.  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398)


Here's an American one. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19  (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19)

You know what, here's a third. Pulmonologists in the Lancet recommend no more than "light aerobic exercise like walking" from days 10 to 17 after testing positive.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext  (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext)

So I'm not lying at all. Do you really expect Tyrone to play an all ireland semi final this week?

Those are interesting articles and indicate that Tyrone are 100% correct to say that they can't fulfil this fixture next week if they haven't got 22 or 23 healthy players. They also need to indicate that they won't be able to fulfil this fixture over the next 5 or 6 weeks either in the interest of player welfare.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Covid is about, one or two people might get it. That is no reason for postponement of the game. If a load of people have it, then they likely got it from each other and the game should not be postponed for something Tyrone did to themselves.

Did to themselves? Such bollix. Tyrone is rife with COVID at the minute. The GAA have already postponed the game. So they obviously don't agree with you. And rightly so. Whether they are in a position to over a longer.

Although there is Covid, the odds of more than 2 or 3 getting it independently is small enough. Other members of the team may have been required to isolate and would be shown not to have Covid, this would warrant the delay of one week.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:30:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Covid is about, one or two people might get it. That is no reason for postponement of the game. If a load of people have it, then they likely got it from each other and the game should not be postponed for something Tyrone did to themselves.

Did to themselves? Such bollix. Tyrone is rife with COVID at the minute. The GAA have already postponed the game. So they obviously don't agree with you. And rightly so. Whether they are in a position to over a longer.

Although there is Covid, the odds of more than 2 or 3 getting it independently is small enough. Other members of the team may have been required to isolate and would be shown not to have Covid, this would warrant the delay of one week.
Odds? So just guesses really. Without being able to prove it one way or another, you could be punishing an unlucky team. It's just bollix, and you know that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
It's irrelevant how they caught it. Let's not engage with any wums who act like it matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

It is of interest to the GAA if they cannot fulfil the fixtute because of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 08:25:54 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 14, 2021, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

It is of interest to the GAA if they cannot fulfil the fixtute because of it.

No it's not. No matter how much you would like it to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 08:26:20 PM
Let's call a spade a spade Tyrone will field now that Dublin are out.. Cowards
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 14, 2021, 08:33:15 PM
Naw be long reentering it now.....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Orior on August 14, 2021, 08:36:47 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
It's irrelevant how they caught it. Let's not engage with any wums who act like it matters.

Are any of the players really bad with Covid, or did they just test positive?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right

How big do you think the panel is? Because they really do not.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right
Are ya's stupid? They've pulled out if the game's next wk. They can't backtrack on that, that decision is made. If the games moved then they don't have to withdraw. It's really simple ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Kerry should say that they are not available the week after next, as they are getting their hair done.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right

How big do you think the panel is? Because they really do not.
Extended Armagh minor panel was 40, so quite a lot I'd imagine ???
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: reddgnhand on August 14, 2021, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2021, 08:56:34 PM
Some boys hiding behind anonymous usernames calling the Tyrone team cowards for something they haven't done.
Stay classy.  ::)
Sure you know where they're from.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 14, 2021, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right

How big do you think the panel is? Because they really do not.

They had 21 training this week. I'd say a fair few of their covid cases were asymptomatic so they'll be available to train this week. They're more than capable of fielding on Saturday next. Even with none of the covid players they could've called up top club players like mcaliskey who could've slotted in seamlessly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
The current state of affairs yes but how they came about no. They don't own these players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:32:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 14, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
Can someone from Tyrone fill me in on why they can't field? They've had a long enough isolation period to be able to put a team out.. Plenty of clubs including my own have had players back playing as soon as they tested negative after having COVID.

If that's the case they shouldn't have, and is against medical and government advice regarding elite athletes and covid.

Well that's a lie red hand.. it's 10 days isolation.. They've had long enough and if it's pushed back again then that interferes with every club championship. Tyrone should be out and not mess up the Gaelic calendar

I could show you a dozen articles warning about the risk of returning to full training after a positive test. Here is just one.  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2772398)


Here's an American one. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19  (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/returning-to-exercise-after-recovering-from-covid-19-what-to-know#New-guidelines-for-embracing-fitness-after-COVID-19)

You know what, here's a third. Pulmonologists in the Lancet recommend no more than "light aerobic exercise like walking" from days 10 to 17 after testing positive.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext  (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30175-2/fulltext)

So I'm not lying at all. Do you really expect Tyrone to play an all ireland semi final this week?
It's going to be really interesting to see which players are involved here. Going to have a massive impact on the Tyrone club championship. 20 lads unable to train for 3 to 6 months could have a very disproportionate impact on some clubs when we see which players are impacted.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 07:15:12 PM
Pubs - the evil of all the land.

No. Nobody is blaming the pubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
The current state of affairs yes but how they came about no. They don't own these players.
If you can't see that missing an AISF because they went on the lash in the middle of a Pandemic looks bad I dunno. That argument might go down alrite with the lads down the boozer but few others.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: reddgnhand on August 14, 2021, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
The current state of affairs yes but how they came about no. They don't own these players.
If you can't see that missing an AISF because they went on the lash in the middle of a Pandemic looks bad I dunno. That argument might go down alrite with the lads down the boozer but few others.
No one allowed a beer now?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
The current state of affairs yes but how they came about no. They don't own these players.
If you can't see that missing an AISF because they went on the lash in the middle of a Pandemic looks bad I dunno. That argument might go down alrite with the lads down the boozer but few others.

In your opinion. Many others accept these guys have had restricted enough social lifes and it's not surprising that some of the squad celebrated winning a Ulster championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:42:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
The current state of affairs yes but how they came about no. They don't own these players.
Then play with different players
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Wise yourself up.

What is your point?

Game is scheduled. If you want it moved you come with the full facts and as for a dispensation. Don't pretend that is not reasonable
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 14, 2021, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 14, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Quite bizarre that Tyrone pulled out, they've plenty of other boys on the panel or that they have that could be called up. But no, they cut their nose off to spite their face.
I'd say they'll be backtracking now the dubs are out. Cowards is right

How big do you think the panel is? Because they really do not.

They had 21 training this week. I'd say a fair few of their covid cases were asymptomatic so they'll be available to train this week. They're more than capable of fielding on Saturday next. Even with none of the covid players they could've called up top club players like mcaliskey who could've slotted in seamlessly.
Exactly
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 14, 2021, 09:48:30 PM
I seen it in the Euros even after the Mount/Chilwell/Scottish fella thing, players were hugging, talking together etc etc.. and it was baffling seeing it happening as the tournament progressed. I was thinking, Jesus you're into the semis, fist bump your opponents and get off the pitch. Then when in a group, do as much as you can regards distancing, masks etc. You don't want to be missing a Euro semi or final!

Same thing with the Gaelic. I know players have to work, live with family etc, and it's impossible to shut yourself in a room 24/7, but do as much as you can to not contract the virus, for your own health firstly, but for your team as well. If Tyrone did catch and spread it through celebrating the Ulster win, they've only themselves to blame. Unlucky yes, but you're asking for trouble celebrating. Stick your mask on, do what you can, and prepare for Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:48:43 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 07:15:12 PM
Pubs - the evil of all the land.

No. Nobody is blaming the pubs.
Benny just undercut you there.
Did he blame the pubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
The huge point you are missing here is that the reason the GAA are putting the game off is because it is massively within their interests to do so.

Not really a reason to not answer the question though is it?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?
Then your group is not defined as close contacts. If they were then any squad that had one case would automatically have to self isolate. And you know that hasn't been happening across any squads.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

The GAA will only know that if they ask the question and get it answered. Simple enough process
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

The GAA will only know that if they ask the question and get it answered. Simple enough process

Yes they can ask Tyrone if they were following Covid restrictions during trainings, gaa activities etc. That's it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
Is it even possible to prove where a person caught covid? We are dealing with probabilities and as every player has a life outside football, it is impossible to say whether or not they caught it through "GAA activities".

All irrelevant of course. This comes down to the rules of the GAA. Tyrone have said they cannot fulfill the fixture. The GAA have said they are not moving it. So either
a) Tyrone or GAA change their mind
b) Kerry are given a bye and Tyrone are disciplined in accordance with GAA guidelines
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Wise yourself up.

What is your point?

Game is scheduled. If you want it moved you come with the full facts and as for a dispensation. Don't pretend that is not reasonable
See previous post. The GAA want this game to go ahead.
You would hope this is not the position of the Tyrone county board. You (I.e. HQ) want the game played therefore don't ask any questions. I could see that backfiring
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?
Then your group is not defined as close contacts. If they were then any squad that had one case would automatically have to self isolate. And you know that hasn't been happening across any squads.
I don't know. But at 4 or 5 I would be absolutely certain.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
The huge point you are missing here is that the reason the GAA are putting the game off is because it is massively within their interests to do so.

Not really a reason to not answer the question though is it?
What question?
Jesus

How badly are Tyrone impacted and how did it come about?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 10:00:55 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?
Then your group is not defined as close contacts. If they were then any squad that had one case would automatically have to self isolate. And you know that hasn't been happening across any squads.
I don't know. But at 4 or 5 I would be absolutely certain.
One or five doesn't matter. All in a squad would generally be in close physical contact with each other so if your using your logic, all squads with a single Covid case should all have self isolated. That wasn't happening. So I think, with all due respect your wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 14, 2021, 10:04:07 PM
Need to test the kerry players
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

The GAA will only know that if they ask the question and get it answered. Simple enough process

Yes they can ask Tyrone if they were following Covid restrictions during trainings, gaa activities etc. That's it.
Completely disagree.

My reason for disagreeing is that there are enough players to fulfil this fixture but it Tyrone want a deferral in order to have a particular bunch of players available then the GAA are entitled to ask how this chronic situation came about? Whether it's self inflicted or not must surely have an impact on the degree to which the GAA are prepared to yield ?

Normally when you ask for a favour you place your hands in the party with the power to grant the favour
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.

Are you telling me that if you were part of a group with 4 or 5 positive cases you would head to pub?
Define group. Being in a squad doesn't automatically make you a close contact.

More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that.

But suffice to say if I was training regularly with a bunch of lads and 5 went down with Covid 1 week I would be very careful the following week. You might think I am being unreasonable but please explain why?
So given all this contact, it probably was nothing to do with the pub?
Who knows. Hence the questions and the need for answers.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2021, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
The huge point you are missing here is that the reason the GAA are putting the game off is because it is massively within their interests to do so.

Not really a reason to not answer the question though is it?
What question?
Jesus

How badly are Tyrone impacted and how did it come about?
"We've X amount of players positive. X amount bed ridden. X amount doing alright."

" More than one person, sharing vehicle or indoor space, or close and repeated contact in physical contact outdoors. Something like that."

"Sorry, one boy took a shit in a public toilet in Benburb."

There would probably be follow up questions.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is
It's not valid. It's not self inflicted. The gaa has not asked players to limit their social life's. If they had, you could make that argument. How they got it if outside GAA activities is none of their interest. It's as simple as that.

The GAA will only know that if they ask the question and get it answered. Simple enough process

Yes they can ask Tyrone if they were following Covid restrictions during trainings, gaa activities etc. That's it.
Completely disagree.

My reason for disagreeing is that there are enough players to fulfil this fixture but it Tyrone want a deferral in order to have a particular bunch of players available then the GAA are entitled to ask how this chronic situation came about? Whether it's self inflicted or not must surely have an impact on the degree to which the GAA are prepared to yield ?

Normally when you ask for a favour you place your hands in the party with the power to grant the favour

So we obviously aren't going to agree. As the gaa just need to know if Tyrone were not following Covid restrictions during GAA activities. Nothing else. There's 20 cases. So take these 20 out and they can't field. Let's not go down the. BS route of talking about pulling club players in at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:42:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 09:31:03 PM
The current state of affairs yes but how they came about no. They don't own these players.
Then play with different players

Why?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2021, 10:27:56 PM
Must be a lot of anti vacs round Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
Is it even possible to prove where a person caught covid? We are dealing with probabilities and as every player has a life outside football, it is impossible to say whether or not they caught it through "GAA activities".

Worth bearing in mind the following...

* In d'north, the three local council areas with the current highest +ve cases per 100k population over 7 days (last measured 6th - 12th Aug) are Fermanagh & Omagh (707.0), Derry City & Strabane (635.9) & Mid-Ulster (558.8 ), the three council areas that cover Tyrone. NI average rate is 496.7.

* In comparison to over in Britain, only the Kingston Upon Hull (i.e. Hull city) local authority area has at present a +ve cases per 100k population over 7 day rate higher than any of the three NI council areas mentioned above (Their info on cases from NI seems to lag).

* Direct comparisons with case measurement in the Republic isn't easy as they deal their statistics of +ve cases per 100k population over a period of 14 days rather than 7, but as a crude measurement of dividing their figures by 2 to get a rough 7 day rate then the only places that rank alongside the three NI council areas mentioned are the northern end of Donegal along with the Westport & Swinford LEA's of Mayo.

TL;DR - Tyrone is pretty rife with COVID-19 cases at the moment, especially in comparison to the rest of Ireland or even in Britain.

Edit: Just to add, in terms of +ve cases being of those whom are under 40 years old in the period of 6 - 12 August, this makes up 62% of cases in Derry & Strabane, 67% of cases in Mid-Ulster and 68% of cases in Fermanagh & Omagh.

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NI COVID-19 "Dashboard" - https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9 (https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9)
Ireland's COVID-19 Data Hub - https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/)
UK Government COVID-19 Data site - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/)
With such a high incidence rate they probably shouldn't have went bar crawling.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
If they are within guidelines/ regulations etc then what is the problem? Going to bars is within regulation?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: reddgnhand on August 14, 2021, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2021, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
Is it even possible to prove where a person caught covid? We are dealing with probabilities and as every player has a life outside football, it is impossible to say whether or not they caught it through "GAA activities".

Worth bearing in mind the following...

* In d'north, the three local council areas with the current highest +ve cases per 100k population over 7 days (last measured 6th - 12th Aug) are Fermanagh & Omagh (707.0), Derry City & Strabane (635.9) & Mid-Ulster (558.8 ), the three council areas that cover Tyrone. NI average rate is 496.7.

* In comparison to over in Britain, only the Kingston Upon Hull (i.e. Hull city) local authority area has at present a +ve cases per 100k population over 7 day rate higher than any of the three NI council areas mentioned above (Their info on cases from NI seems to lag).

* Direct comparisons with case measurement in the Republic isn't easy as they deal their statistics of +ve cases per 100k population over a period of 14 days rather than 7, but as a crude measurement of dividing their figures by 2 to get a rough 7 day rate then the only places that rank alongside the three NI council areas mentioned are the northern end of Donegal along with the Westport & Swinford LEA's of Mayo.

TL;DR - Tyrone is pretty rife with COVID-19 cases at the moment, especially in comparison to the rest of Ireland or even in Britain.

Edit: Just to add, in terms of +ve cases being of those whom are under 40 years old in the period of 6 - 12 August, this makes up 62% of cases in Derry & Strabane, 67% of cases in Mid-Ulster and 68% of cases in Fermanagh & Omagh.

--

NI COVID-19 "Dashboard" - https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9 (https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9)
Ireland's COVID-19 Data Hub - https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/)
UK Government COVID-19 Data site - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/)

Wasting your time Fionntamhnach.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 10:38:30 PM
Ah ffs boys are yis Shamateurs or not. Irish League levels of commitment here
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
If they are within guidelines/ regulations etc then what is the problem? Going to bars is within regulation?

Wouldn't matter. Tyrone must be hung, drawn and quartered according to some posters who carry a huge chip on their shoulder.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:39:34 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
If they are within guidelines/ regulations etc then what is the problem? Going to bars is within regulation?

Wouldn't matter. Tyrone must be hung, drawn and quartered according to some posters who carry a huge chip on their shoulder.

No, what we want is Tyrone hung and Dublin quartered.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:42:16 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 14, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
If footage emerges of one group of Tyrone players on the lash after the Ulster Final in Dungannon and of another group in the Moy and Pomeroy, there'll be a few red faces. I suspect it will too.

Why? They would be entitled to a drink. No rules broken. Boys out after winning ulster is hardly surprising. And should be of no interest to the GAA.
However if Tyrone were having indoor meetings and not following COVID restrictions as a group that's a different matter.

Not true in this instance.

The game was due to be played tomorrow. When a request was made to change this then the GAA should at the very least expect honesty and full candour in detailing the current state of affairs and how they came about. I am not saying either of those things have been missing btw
Why? They can ask if it was transmitted through GAA activities (indoor meeting etc). Other than that it's not relevant.

No.

The game is scheduled. If you want it moved the competition organiser is entitled to ask why and how it came about? If the problem is self inflicted (and I'm not saying it is) then the competition organiser will rightly bear that in mind. An example being there is a week slack in the system, you can have that but no more.

The question is valid. I don't know what the factual answer is

Wtf are you on about? A reason was given, it was that 20 members of the squad are positive. How is this not a reason?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 10:42:32 PM
To be fair, t'is good to see it's the Armagh wans fighting the good fight. Just happens to be a coincidence don't ya know!! 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Kerry should say that they are not available the week after next, as they are getting their hair done.

Comparing getting your hair done to having COVID shows that you nor anyone close to you has suffered from it. For your sake I hope it stays like that. Its a terrible
disease even for the fit and healthy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2021, 10:50:56 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2021, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on August 14, 2021, 10:31:55 PMWasting your time Fionntamhnach.

It was only around 2-3 weeks ago that Fermanagh & Omagh DC had the lowest per 100k 7 day incidence rate of all 11 northern councils, then it shot up fairly quickly. It's worth going to the NI Dashboard link and look at the postcode areas. Outside of Strabane, Tyrone is covered in pretty much dark grey.

It's very changeable and lags etc. They hardly knew then it would be that high now.

I think some people would seem to want the track and trace data of every player here reading some stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: joemamas on August 14, 2021, 10:51:24 PM
Reality is that the GAA will give Tyrone an extra week.
Does anyone think that a team will get a walkover in all-Ireland semi-final, because the GAA would not give an extra week to a team impacted by covid.
They should just announce it tomorrow, if the all Ireland has still to be on sept 4th, so be it,
But that will also be pushed back a week.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 14, 2021, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 06:58:58 PM
(1) Amateur - yeah, dead on
(2) Personal responsibility ffs, nevermind anything else. Let's go on the lash in numerous random pubs during the 3rd or 4th wave of a pandemic

Personal responsibility? Pubs are open. Going to a pub or multiple pubs is allowed. I was at one last night. Do I think I was lacking personal responsibility? Not a bit. Have a word with yourself ffs.
Are you on an Inter County Senior panel preparing for an AISF? I'd say if you were you might have waited a few weeks, not that big a sacrifice.
I would say you're serious craic...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GJL on August 14, 2021, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 14, 2021, 10:51:24 PM
Reality is that the GAA will give Tyrone an extra week.
Does anyone think that a team will get a walkover in all-Ireland semi-final, because the GAA would not give an extra week to a team impacted by covid.
They should just announce it tomorrow, if the all Ireland has still to be on sept 4th, so be it,
But that will also be pushed back a week.
One of the very few sensible posts on here today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Black Mamba on August 14, 2021, 11:13:18 PM
Did all the Tyrone panel get the vaccine? (Not that it offers 100% protection) The case numbers seem very high if the panel was fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2021, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 14, 2021, 10:51:24 PM
Reality is that the GAA will give Tyrone an extra week.
Does anyone think that a team will get a walkover in all-Ireland semi-final, because the GAA would not give an extra week to a team impacted by covid.
They should just announce it tomorrow, if the all Ireland has still to be on sept 4th, so be it,
But that will also be pushed back a week.

Except that you don't know if that's the reality at all, that's just mere speculation. Tyrone have chosen themselves to give Kerry a walkover.

There will be club championship games up and down the country cancelled if the GAA decide to set a precedent and postpone a match in order to give a team extra time so that all of their players can recover.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Kerry should say that they are not available the week after next, as they are getting their hair done.

Comparing getting your hair done to having COVID shows that you nor anyone close to you has suffered from it. For your sake I hope it stays like that. Its a terrible
disease even for the fit and healthy.

I have never underestimated Covid. If someone has Covid then they should not be playing in two weeks either. This is not about player welfare, it is about Tyrone trying to get a particular team playing. It would be like Mayo asking for the final to be moved to October because Cillian O'Connor would be fit then.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2021, 11:51:46 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Kerry should say that they are not available the week after next, as they are getting their hair done.

Comparing getting your hair done to having COVID shows that you nor anyone close to you has suffered from it. For your sake I hope it stays like that. Its a terrible
disease even for the fit and healthy.

I have never underestimated Covid. If someone has Covid then they should not be playing in two weeks either. This is not about player welfare, it is about Tyrone trying to get a particular team playing. It would be like Mayo asking for the final to be moved to October because Cillian O'Connor would be fit then.
This is true to an extent in that they want to be able to field a team from their squad. With 20 positive cases that's impossible. Which is why they are prepared to forfeit the game. There's a chance they might struggle to get a team the following week as well. In fact I would seriously doubt they'll have a full deck to work from. But at least there's a chance.
It's very different from asking for 2 months postponement for one player. But I think you and your Armagh compadres know that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 15, 2021, 12:04:26 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 10:29:21 PMWith such a high incidence rate they probably shouldn't have went bar crawling.

The incidence rates in Mid-Ulster and Fermanagh & Omagh council areas a fortnight ago was a good bit lower than what it presently is, in fact Mid Ulster's rate was initially heading downward as was the NI overall rate.

28th July - Derry & Strabane (516.9)(4/11), Mid-Ulster (538.6)(2/11), Ferm & Omagh (270.9)(11/11) - NI rate was 483.6
3rd August - Derry & Strabane (510.0)(2/11), Mid-Ulster (473.3)(3/11), Ferm & Omagh (352.6)(9/11) - NI rate was 435.9.

Sourced from the info provided by Darran Marshall on Twitter (@DarranMarshall)
Tyrone minors did well to avoid it then considering numbers are higher in the younger demographic. Then again they're probably not pub crawling
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 15, 2021, 12:23:39 AM
It's well within the GAA's prerogative to deal with a crisis affecting an AI semi final differently than other situations. Afaic it's a no brainer (if Kerry are agreeable) to postpone the game another week, the first semi final drama has whetted the appetite even more for this game to happen.
Without Tyrone in the last 4 there's the prospect of the dreaded stain of the asterix being permanently affixed to the winner's credentials.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 15, 2021, 05:55:20 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 15, 2021, 12:04:26 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 14, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 14, 2021, 10:29:21 PMWith such a high incidence rate they probably shouldn't have went bar crawling.

The incidence rates in Mid-Ulster and Fermanagh & Omagh council areas a fortnight ago was a good bit lower than what it presently is, in fact Mid Ulster's rate was initially heading downward as was the NI overall rate.

28th July - Derry & Strabane (516.9)(4/11), Mid-Ulster (538.6)(2/11), Ferm & Omagh (270.9)(11/11) - NI rate was 483.6
3rd August - Derry & Strabane (510.0)(2/11), Mid-Ulster (473.3)(3/11), Ferm & Omagh (352.6)(9/11) - NI rate was 435.9.

Sourced from the info provided by Darran Marshall on Twitter (@DarranMarshall)
Tyrone minors did well to avoid it then considering numbers are higher in the younger demographic. Then again they're probably not pub crawling
You have an unhealthy obsession with pubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 08:13:40 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Kerry should say that they are not available the week after next, as they are getting their hair done.

Comparing getting your hair done to having COVID shows that you nor anyone close to you has suffered from it. For your sake I hope it stays like that. Its a terrible
disease even for the fit and healthy.

I have never underestimated Covid. If someone has Covid then they should not be playing in two weeks either. This is not about player welfare, it is about Tyrone trying to get a particular team playing. It would be like Mayo asking for the final to be moved to October because Cillian O'Connor would be fit then.

If mayo had 20 positive cases they would be entitled to ask.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 15, 2021, 12:23:39 AM
It's well within the GAA's prerogative to deal with a crisis affecting an AI semi final differently than other situations. Afaic it's a no brainer (if Kerry are agreeable) to postpone the game another week, the first semi final drama has whetted the appetite even more for this game to happen.
Without Tyrone in the last 4 there's the prospect of the dreaded stain of the asterix being permanently affixed to the winner's credentials.

It's a very dangerous precedent to set though. As noted other teams have lost players to Covid over the last year or so and didn't get their games put back some could argue they were knocked out as a result. Similarly going forward teams will no doubt lose players to Covid. Do you allow two weeks for them as well. Will there be a minimum of players have to be effected, if so what's the number. Is there a level the game has to be at? If so what level?  What if Covid continues to next year? This is far from an easy decision. If it were me I'd give Tyrone more time but then I don't have to worry about these other issues.

I don't like the idea of a county board issuing an ultimatum to HQ either. This should have been resolved behind closed doors. If Tyrone issued the statement yesterday as a tactic (and I stress if) then I don't like it as I could see an avalanche of similar tactics over the next coming years from other teams to get what they want many of which may not be as meritorious as what Tyrone are trying to achieve. It reminds me of the injunction tactic before the formation of the DRA. I feel it's very unedifying.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 15, 2021, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 14, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 14, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Kerry should say that they are not available the week after next, as they are getting their hair done.

Comparing getting your hair done to having COVID shows that you nor anyone close to you has suffered from it. For your sake I hope it stays like that. Its a terrible
disease even for the fit and healthy.

I have never underestimated Covid. If someone has Covid then they should not be playing in two weeks either. This is not about player welfare, it is about Tyrone trying to get a particular team playing. It would be like Mayo asking for the final to be moved to October because Cillian O'Connor would be fit then.

How deluded are you? Tyrone are trying to simply have their team available, which is decimated by a virus and its nothing like the example you gave.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 11:01:08 AM
How often are county squads tested?

And who carries out the testing?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 15, 2021, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 15, 2021, 12:23:39 AM
It's well within the GAA's prerogative to deal with a crisis affecting an AI semi final differently than other situations. Afaic it's a no brainer (if Kerry are agreeable) to postpone the game another week, the first semi final drama has whetted the appetite even more for this game to happen.
Without Tyrone in the last 4 there's the prospect of the dreaded stain of the asterix being permanently affixed to the winner's credentials.

It's a very dangerous precedent to set though. As noted other teams have lost players to Covid over the last year or so and didn't get their games put back some could argue they were knocked out as a result. Similarly going forward teams will no doubt lose players to Covid. Do you allow two weeks for them as well. Will there be a minimum of players have to be effected, if so what's the number. Is there a level the game has to be at? If so what level?  What if Covid continues to next year? This is far from an easy decision. If it were me I'd give Tyrone more time but then I don't have to worry about these other issues.

I don't like the idea of a county board issuing an ultimatum to HQ either. This should have been resolved behind closed doors. If Tyrone issued the statement yesterday as a tactic (and I stress if) then I don't like it as I could see an avalanche of similar tactics over the next coming years from other teams to get what they want many of which may not be as meritorious as what Tyrone are trying to achieve. It reminds me of the injunction tactic before the formation of the DRA. I feel it's very unedifying.

Tyrone has lost players to Covid too, and played, they had 4 out for the UF and played on. It's the level of Covid that makes it impossible.
Talk of tactics is just nonsense. It's just stating facts, Tyrone didn't plan or wish for this scenario. So the GAA can decide if they have the ability to offer the extra week or not. If not so be it, move ahead with Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 11:14:05 AM
That's effectively what I'm saying. Tyrone are missing a lot of players and it wouldn't be fair to expect them to field as a result but the association if they grant a postponement will have to consider what numbers are required for them to consider similar applications moving forward. No one would expect a team missing 3/4 or less to get a postponement but what about 6/7 or 11/12.  Where do you draw the line?  That's the dilemma that faces the association. That and having to explain to those other counties who have already forfeited why they weren't given postponements.

On the statement if it was simply a statement of fact I've no issue with it but given the comments of management since there may have been an element of releasing it as a tactic to have the association revisit their decision on the date for the match. It's hard to know which.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:18:38 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 11:14:05 AM
That's effectively what I'm saying. Tyrone are missing a lot of players and it wouldn't be fair to expect them to field as a result but the association if they grant a postponement will have to consider what numbers are required for them to consider similar applications moving forward. No one would expect a team missing 3/4 or less to get a postponement but what about 6/7 or 11/12.  Where do you draw the line?  That's the dilemma that faces the association. That and having to explain to those other counties who have already forfeited why they weren't given postponements.

On the statement if it was simply a statement of fact I've no issue with it but given the comments of management since there may have been an element of releasing it as a tactic to have the association revisit their decision on the date for the match. It's hard to know which.

It is very clearly a tactic. Dooher in an interview yesterday even admitted as much when he openly said that he hoped that the GAA would revisit it and grant them the extra time. If it wasn't a tactic then they will have ceased training plans for the season. I'd nearly guarantee that this is not the case just based on what Dooher said yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 15, 2021, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:18:38 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 11:14:05 AM
That's effectively what I'm saying. Tyrone are missing a lot of players and it wouldn't be fair to expect them to field as a result but the association if they grant a postponement will have to consider what numbers are required for them to consider similar applications moving forward. No one would expect a team missing 3/4 or less to get a postponement but what about 6/7 or 11/12.  Where do you draw the line?  That's the dilemma that faces the association. That and having to explain to those other counties who have already forfeited why they weren't given postponements.

On the statement if it was simply a statement of fact I've no issue with it but given the comments of management since there may have been an element of releasing it as a tactic to have the association revisit their decision on the date for the match. It's hard to know which.

It is very clearly a tactic. Dooher in an interview yesterday even admitted as much when he openly said that he hoped that the GAA would revisit it and grant them the extra time. If it wasn't a tactic then they will have ceased training plans for the season. I'd nearly guarantee that this is not the case just based on what Dooher said yesterday.
It's stating fact. Very simple. Of course Tyrone want to play the game, no one wants to forfeit a AI Semi final. They're not that easy got to. But they've been straight about it and said they are unable to field next wkend. I It would be silly to stop training when the gaa have said they are reviewing it. No one loses more out of this than Tyrone by not playing.  They don't have a choice.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
They have just said that they can't play on that date. I'd say they will stand by that. Of course they hope the GAA will move it. That doesn't make it a tactic, just a statement of fact - they can't field on that day.

It would be daft to stop training. There's always a chance it will be moved.

Are you saying that they shouldn't have released a statement to say they can't field but rather just not turn up on the day?

Of course but some posters yesterday claimed that they had pulled out which they clearly haven't done. It is a tactic designed to buy additional time from the GAA but how can they evaluate the medical status of their players 7 days away from the game. By next Saturday some of the players who are currently ill may have made a recovery. I don't believe that they will not be in a position to field a team come next Saturday just that they want some extra preparation time on top of the recovery. No matter what happens, the GAA will not please everybody here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 12:03:52 PM
Were there not news articles  that specifically said they'd pulled out ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2021, 12:04:38 PM
They'll hardly be training considering the self isolation required for starters, add in the illness and fatigue. Could be weeks or even up to a month before anyone is back to match fitness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 15, 2021, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 12:03:52 PM
Were there not news articles  that specifically said they'd pulled out ?
Some betting companies seemed to have removed Tyrone from the equation already. Boylesports have the AI Final listed as Kerry v Mayo. PP have nothing on the final yet, but the odds to win the AI title are set only for Kerry and Mayo. Tyrone not an option.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 15, 2021, 12:16:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2021, 12:04:38 PM
They'll hardly be training considering the self isolation required for starters, add in the illness and fatigue. Could be weeks or even up to a month before anyone is back to match fitness.
Think most are through the self isolation periods or close to it now. Will depend on how players are effected. I'd imagine not everyone will be in a position to play even with the extra week but hopefully enough would have recovered to have a match day squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 15, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
The GAA will change date. Too much revenue to be lost if game not played.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Sportacus on August 15, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 15, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
The GAA will change date. Too much revenue to be lost if game not played.
I'd say you're right, but I genuinely can't see Tyrone having much chance.  When you look at the pitch Mayo got to yesterday, it's impossible for Tyrone to rise to that level without preparation, never mind a hangover from Covid for some of their players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: knockitdown on August 15, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
https://twitter.com/cahairokane1/status/1426873255680434177?s=21
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on August 15, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
If the GAA extend until the weekend of 28th/29th that will be after the hurling final with 40,000 in attendance. An increased attendance at Tyr v Ker at 40,000 will pull in circa 1.5-2 million euro. Bound to be very, very tempting from a financial perspective.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 15, 2021, 01:32:30 PM
Newsflash!
The GAA have just announced that Dublin will take Tyrone's place in their semi final v Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
If the GAA extend until the weekend of 28th/29th that will be after the hurling final with 40,000 in attendance. An increased attendance at Tyr v Ker at 40,000 will pull in circa 1.5-2 million euro. Bound to be very, very tempting from a financial perspective.

That's a very good point and something they will surely be thinking about.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 15, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Do you really think the GAA makes anything from a 24k attendance ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Do you really think the GAA makes anything from a 24k attendance ?

24,000 x €50 = €1.2m
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 15, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Do you really think the GAA makes anything from a 24k attendance ?

24,000 x €50 = €1.2m
I remember someone saying to me before it costs them a million to open croke park for the day through various maintenance and running costs. dont know how accurate it is
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2021, 03:50:04 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 15, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Do you really think the GAA makes anything from a 24k attendance ?

24,000 x €50 = €1.2m
I remember someone saying to me before it costs them a million to open croke park for the day through various maintenance and running costs. dont know how accurate it is

If that's true then 200k isn't to be sneezed at. Would be interesting to know how much it actually does cost.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
If the GAA extend until the weekend of 28th/29th that will be after the hurling final with 40,000 in attendance. An increased attendance at Tyr v Ker at 40,000 will pull in circa 1.5-2 million euro. Bound to be very, very tempting from a financial perspective.

I doubt if there would be anywhere near 40k attendance at that match. Kerry fans won't travel and it's not that appealing of a fixture from a neutral viewpoint.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 04:18:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
If the GAA extend until the weekend of 28th/29th that will be after the hurling final with 40,000 in attendance. An increased attendance at Tyr v Ker at 40,000 will pull in circa 1.5-2 million euro. Bound to be very, very tempting from a financial perspective.

I doubt if there would be anywhere near 40k attendance at that match. Kerry fans won't travel and it's not that appealing of a fixture from a neutral viewpoint.
There were only 34000 at the same fixture 2 years ago.

And that was pre Covid and the teams on paper were much more evenly matched than they appear this year. You would have to think there will be less in attendance this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 15, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Do you really think the GAA makes anything from a 24k attendance ?

24,000 x €50 = €1.2m
I remember someone saying to me before it costs them a million to open croke park for the day through various maintenance and running costs. dont know how accurate it is

So that's roughly say 50,000 at €20 a ticket or 25,000 at €40, just to break even? How often does Croke Park get that sort of crowd? Maybe 2 Leinster finals, 4 semis and 2 AIs a year? Frig me, and they say Casement will be a white elephant!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 15, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 15, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
It is about money let's be honest here.
Do you really think the GAA makes anything from a 24k attendance ?

24,000 x €50 = €1.2m
I remember someone saying to me before it costs them a million to open croke park for the day through various maintenance and running costs. dont know how accurate it is

I think it costs €12k a day even when it's not being used.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: joemamas on August 15, 2021, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 14, 2021, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 14, 2021, 10:51:24 PM
Reality is that the GAA will give Tyrone an extra week.
Does anyone think that a team will get a walkover in all-Ireland semi-final, because the GAA would not give an extra week to a team impacted by covid.
They should just announce it tomorrow, if the all Ireland has still to be on sept 4th, so be it,
But that will also be pushed back a week.
One of the very few sensible posts on here today.

By all accounts, it is now pretty obvious that Tyrone will get an extra week, big Q
when will the All-Ireland be, Saturday 4th, Sunday 5th or Saturday 11th.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2021, 05:38:41 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 15, 2021, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 14, 2021, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 14, 2021, 10:51:24 PM
Reality is that the GAA will give Tyrone an extra week.
Does anyone think that a team will get a walkover in all-Ireland semi-final, because the GAA would not give an extra week to a team impacted by covid.
They should just announce it tomorrow, if the all Ireland has still to be on sept 4th, so be it,
But that will also be pushed back a week.
One of the very few sensible posts on here today.

By all accounts, it is now pretty obvious that Tyrone will get an extra week, big Q
when will the All-Ireland be, Saturday 4th, Sunday 5th or Saturday 11th.

What day is the ladies final on?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 15, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 04:18:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
If the GAA extend until the weekend of 28th/29th that will be after the hurling final with 40,000 in attendance. An increased attendance at Tyr v Ker at 40,000 will pull in circa 1.5-2 million euro. Bound to be very, very tempting from a financial perspective.

I doubt if there would be anywhere near 40k attendance at that match. Kerry fans won't travel and it's not that appealing of a fixture from a neutral viewpoint.
There were only 34000 at the same fixture 2 years ago.

And that was pre Covid and the teams on paper were much more evenly matched than they appear this year. You would have to think there will be less in attendance this time.

What has happened in the period since or what has each of the two teams done that changes the narrative that they are closely matched?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2021, 06:19:15 PM
I would have thought that league game was a big factor. Kerry also hammered a team they couldn't beat last year so I am guessing they are thought to have improved. Tyrone have dropped off a bit too. Not having a fit mcshane really doesn't help against the bigger teams though mccurry's form you would think would help that a bit. Cavanagh a loss too. (He may be two years mind you)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 06:19:52 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 15, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 04:18:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
If the GAA extend until the weekend of 28th/29th that will be after the hurling final with 40,000 in attendance. An increased attendance at Tyr v Ker at 40,000 will pull in circa 1.5-2 million euro. Bound to be very, very tempting from a financial perspective.

I doubt if there would be anywhere near 40k attendance at that match. Kerry fans won't travel and it's not that appealing of a fixture from a neutral viewpoint.
There were only 34000 at the same fixture 2 years ago.

And that was pre Covid and the teams on paper were much more evenly matched than they appear this year. You would have to think there will be less in attendance this time.

What has happened in the period since or what has each of the two teams done that changes the narrative that they are closely matched?

Kerry won last years national league but got ambushed by Cork last winter in the Munster final. They have beaten all teams out the gate this season as some of their younger players continue to develop. Add in Paudie Clifford who has been player of the season so far and they were many peoples favourites to win the AI even before Mayo took Dublin out for them.

Tyrone haven't looked much if any better this season than 2 years ago although they have suffered a few injuries. The new management in fairness have not had enough time to work with these players and have done a decent job in difficult circumstances.

All the evidence suggests that Tyrone are nowhere near the level of Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 06:21:24 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240994-kerry-willing-to-wait-a-week-to-face-tyrone/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240994-kerry-willing-to-wait-a-week-to-face-tyrone/)

Kerry happy to wait a week to accommodate Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 15, 2021, 06:23:28 PM
Saturday 5pm throw in for a final sounds good
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 06:28:12 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240986-logan-one-player-was-hospitalised-with-clinical-covid/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240986-logan-one-player-was-hospitalised-with-clinical-covid/)

Maybe this will satisfy LCohens urgent need to know how bad the camp really are with covid. Is anyone still saying it's a made up tale?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 06:28:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 06:21:24 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240994-kerry-willing-to-wait-a-week-to-face-tyrone/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240994-kerry-willing-to-wait-a-week-to-face-tyrone/)

Kerry happy to wait a week to accommodate Tyrone.

Very sporting gesture from Kerry. I'd imagine that discussions were taking place in the background and that the GAA will grant Tyrone the 1 week extension tomorrow. At least then Tyrone will have the chance to prove whether they're good enough on the field of play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 06:32:08 PM
Sorry to clarify what I meant by a tactic.

Say for example Tyrone had already informed HQ they wouldn't field next week and had provided all the medical evidence to explain why and had held lengthy discussions on the issue only to be told no sorry we can't help for whatever reason and that's the end of the matter . For Tyrone not willing to accept that to then release the statement in order to publicly put pressure on the association I wouldn't be happy with that and would call it tactical. 

Of course I don't know if that's happened it's just as likely the discussions are still continuing and the statement was to let supporters know the position and to prevent speculation.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: redzone on August 15, 2021, 06:49:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 06:28:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 06:21:24 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240994-kerry-willing-to-wait-a-week-to-face-tyrone/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240994-kerry-willing-to-wait-a-week-to-face-tyrone/)

Kerry happy to wait a week to accommodate Tyrone.

Very sporting gesture from Kerry. I'd imagine that discussions were taking place in the background and that the GAA will grant Tyrone the 1 week extension tomorrow. At least then Tyrone will have the chance to prove whether they're good enough on the field of play.
Kerry say they want the game played at the earliest opportunity. How is that waiting an extra week as team talk have pointed out
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 15, 2021, 06:53:30 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/fixtures-update-gaa-football-championship/

game going ahead on 28th August
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2021, 07:09:24 PM
Fingers crossed that Kerry don't have an outbreak
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 15, 2021, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2021, 06:28:12 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240986-logan-one-player-was-hospitalised-with-clinical-covid/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0815/1240986-logan-one-player-was-hospitalised-with-clinical-covid/)

Maybe this will satisfy LCohens urgent need to know how bad the camp really are with covid. Is anyone still saying it's a made up tale?

Hopefully they all regain full health soon. I've first hand experience of a close friend with long Covid (ongoing) , absolutely awful
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 15, 2021, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2021, 07:09:24 PM
Fingers crossed that Kerry don't have an outbreak

There's a contingency plan for that possibility. AIF will be played on boxing day
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 15, 2021, 07:40:50 PM
Boxing day my arsë this isn't the Irish League
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: David McKeown on August 15, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
Glad to see an agreement has been reached. Worry about the ramifications but at least they can be dealt with should they arise. This is what should have happened with other counties but better late than never.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 15, 2021, 07:53:53 PM
Clubs finals could be played on boxing day or the Saturday before Christmas in my opinion
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: laoislad on August 15, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 15, 2021, 07:40:50 PM
Boxing day my arsë this isn't the Irish League
What is a Boxing Day anyway?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: delgany on August 15, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 15, 2021, 07:53:53 PM
Clubs finals could be played on boxing day or the Saturday before Christmas in my opinion

The train of thought that every county/club will have to be afforded the same in the future is founded on the notion that the GAA treats everyone fairly and as equals. Since when has that been the case?

Clubs will be told to lump it.

Match refixed to 28th Aug
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: delgany on August 15, 2021, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 15, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 15, 2021, 07:53:53 PM
Clubs finals could be played on boxing day or the Saturday before Christmas in my opinion

The train of thought that every county/club will have to be afforded the same in the future is founded on the notion that the GAA treats everyone fairly and as equals. Since when has that been the case?

Clubs will be told to lump it.

Match refixed to 28th Aug
??

https://tyronegaa.ie/news/
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 15, 2021, 08:32:31 PM
Looking forward to Colm O'Rourke's reaction to Kerry's gesture given how Mayo treated Louth that time

Has it come out if any of the Tyrone players infected got the covid vaccine or how many of the squad did. It would be interesting the see the levels of uptake in inter county squads. Even if they just gave percentage vaccinated like NFL teams have been required to do in the US
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2021, 08:38:29 PM
Is the ulster club competition happening this year?

I know it doesn't mean much to Tyrone clubs as they are crap :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
I don't get the backslapping over this Kerry statement at all.

To do anything else would be heartless and a spectacular own-goal. Also, the statement is loaded with digs. The lowest one is that...'what are Tyrone at? We have been angels and it's not our fault'. God forbid there's an outbreak in the Kerry camp. They also don't say what they asked Croke. We'll never know.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 09:21:41 PM
Mayo will now have to hang around for a month before an All Ireland final do they are probably the biggest losers in all of this. Also county boards up and down the country will have countless administrative headaches as clubs try to push the boundaries regarding postponements. Not to mention club players in Mayo and Kerry who would have planned holidays around a master fixture list that will now bot be implemented.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 15, 2021, 09:23:43 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 09:21:41 PM
Mayo will now have to hang around for a month before an All Ireland final do they are probably the biggest losers in all of this. Also county boards up and down the country will have countless administrative headaches as clubs try to push the boundaries regarding postponements. Not to mention club players in Mayo and Kerry who would have planned holidays around a master fixture list that will now bot be implemented.

And not a thought for poor auld Kerry if they had no semi final. How long were they going to have between games?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 09:29:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 09:21:41 PM
Mayo will now have to hang around for a month before an All Ireland final do they are probably the biggest losers in all of this. Also county boards up and down the country will have countless administrative headaches as clubs try to push the boundaries regarding postponements. Not to mention club players in Mayo and Kerry who would have planned holidays around a master fixture list that will now bot be implemented.

Is that not the way it was for a century?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 09:45:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 09:29:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 09:21:41 PM
Mayo will now have to hang around for a month before an All Ireland final do they are probably the biggest losers in all of this. Also county boards up and down the country will have countless administrative headaches as clubs try to push the boundaries regarding postponements. Not to mention club players in Mayo and Kerry who would have planned holidays around a master fixture list that will now bot be implemented.

Is that not the way it was for a century?

Of course I'm just making the point that the GAA were put in an impossible situation. It's probably the best solution but that doesn't mean that everyone will be happy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 15, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
I don't get the backslapping over this Kerry statement at all.

To do anything else would be heartless and a spectacular own-goal. Also, the statement is loaded with digs. The lowest one is that...'what are Tyrone at? We have been angels and it's not our fault'. God forbid there's an outbreak in the Kerry camp. They also don't say what they asked Croke. We'll never know.

Surprised by the reaction to it as well. The bit about how closely they have followed the guidelines reads like a thinly disguised dig that Tyrone apparently haven't. Wanting to play "at the earliest possible opportunity" rather than simply saying that they would like the game played and that they'll be ready when Tyrone are. Somewhat over the top about how much it has affected them. The world has been turned upside down over the past 18 months. Having to wait a couple of weeks to play a game of football shouldn't be a big deal.

Compare and contrast with Cork when Foot and Mouth postponed the All Ireland u 21 semi back in early noughties. That was a genuinely classy response.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HiMucker on August 15, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
Have to say, as a Derry man with absolutely no love for Tyrone, the Kerry statement lacked class. Tyrone always should have got the extra week they requested. Any talk that they are at it is absolute madness. That's not to say I won't wind up Tyrone ones that they were  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 15, 2021, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 15, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
Have to say, as a Derry man with absolutely no love for Tyrone, the Kerry statement lacked class. Tyrone always should have got the extra week they requested. Any talk that they are at it is absolute madness. That's not to say I won't wind up Tyrone ones that they were  :)
Has been plenty of chat on Twitter about Tyrone's history of mastery of the dark arts and that unless evidence of Covid in the players was produced, there is a high likelihood that it was all a ploy to rest injured players. They are an awful shower  ;) but they have earned the right to play the SF.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 11:48:20 PM
Probably need to lay off Twitter?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: highorlow on August 16, 2021, 12:08:23 AM
I fancy Tyrone to win
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 16, 2021, 01:09:49 AM
The Kerry statement released was gracious and sporting. Some typical miserly Tyrone begrudging reaction notwithstanding, the GAA world should applaud such generosity coming from the Kerry GAA community which no doubt played a large part in the decision to postpone the game for another week.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 16, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 15, 2021, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 15, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
Have to say, as a Derry man with absolutely no love for Tyrone, the Kerry statement lacked class. Tyrone always should have got the extra week they requested. Any talk that they are at it is absolute madness. That's not to say I won't wind up Tyrone ones that they were  :)
Has been plenty of chat on Twitter about Tyrone's history of mastery of the dark arts and that unless evidence of Covid in the players was produced, there is a high likelihood that it was all a ploy to rest injured players. They are an awful shower  ;) but they have earned the right to play the SF.
Drat, you've sussed the dark masterplan
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 07:01:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Why would there be? Mcshane has came on the last 3 games. Against monghan he was on for about 30 minutes and I think canavan came on late against monaghan as well
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 07:02:27 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 16, 2021, 01:48:51 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 15, 2021, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on August 15, 2021, 11:10:44 PM
Have to say, as a Derry man with absolutely no love for Tyrone, the Kerry statement lacked class. Tyrone always should have got the extra week they requested. Any talk that they are at it is absolute madness. That's not to say I won't wind up Tyrone ones that they were  :)
Has been plenty of chat on Twitter about Tyrone's history of mastery of the dark arts and that unless evidence of Covid in the players was produced, there is a high likelihood that it was all a ploy to rest injured players. They are an awful shower  ;) but they have earned the right to play the SF.
Drat, you've sussed the dark masterplan

I would have thought they would have to produce evidence of the covid cases.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 16, 2021, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

Peter Canavan has retired anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

There would be no outcry. Our Armagh brethren are scrabbling around attempting to build this into something more. Just like old times.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tbrick18 on August 16, 2021, 11:40:25 AM
The right decision eventually made in allowing another week.
I've no love for Tyrone but everyone wants to see fairness and the organisation as a whole had to stand up for the welfare of players whilst maintaining the integrity of the competition.

All the drama of the last week aside and with the semi-shock of Mayo winning at the weekend, this game has taken on a whole new dimension.
Before last week I'd have said that Kerry will walk this game, but now I'm not so sure. The head still says they'll win at a canter, but you just get that feeling this year that anything can happen.
Really looking forward to the game.

From a Mayo perspective, I'd love to see a Mayo vs Kerry final with Mayo winning. It would be the fairy-tale victory for them having ended the reign of the dubs and also beating the pretenders to the crown in Kerry. I think everyone would like to see them finally get over the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LeoMc on August 16, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?
But we won't see 2 full strength teams. If Tyrone have players in hospital and in bed because of COVID they will not be full strength.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2021, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 16, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?
But we won't see 2 full strength teams. If Tyrone have players in hospital and in bed because of COVID they will not be full strength.

Who is in hospital?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 16, 2021, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2021, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 16, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?
But we won't see 2 full strength teams. If Tyrone have players in hospital and in bed because of COVID they will not be full strength.

Who is in hospital?

One of the players, according to Logan, or rather WAS in hospital. A number of others bed ridden.
Heard the name of one who is really bad. Not sure if it's the one who was hospitalised but he's a nailed on starter.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on August 16, 2021, 01:31:17 PM
Tickets purchased for this weekend will be valid for next weekend too, saves the hassle of having to reapply etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Corkscrew on August 16, 2021, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
I don't get the backslapping over this Kerry statement at all.

To do anything else would be heartless and a spectacular own-goal. Also, the statement is loaded with digs. The lowest one is that...'what are Tyrone at? We have been angels and it's not our fault'. God forbid there's an outbreak in the Kerry camp. They also don't say what they asked Croke. We'll never know.

Only for Kerry's intervention Tyrone would be out of the championship so you would need to rethink your opinion.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html)

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on August 16, 2021, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

Will we have that next week?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 16, 2021, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

There would be no outcry. Our Armagh brethren are scrabbling around attempting to build this into something more. Just like old times.

I hope you are at full strength. Will be funnier when you are beaten
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 01:44:25 PM
It's just a pity Tyrone Seniors weren't as professional as their Minor set up (who presumably use the same facilities at Garvaghey?).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: twohands!!! on August 16, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
Quote'The net position is that there are 20 or more in the group who have had positive tests'

The GAA will meet today to plan a way forward after Tyrone stated they will not be in a position to fulfil Saturday's All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry due to the high number of Covid incidents within their panel. Declan Bogue spoke to joint-manager Feargal Logan who has appealed for a re-fixture of the showdown

Declan Bogue: Feargal, Tyrone have stated they will not be playing Kerry this Saturday, What would you like instead.

Feargal Logan: Ideally, we would like to play a meaningful, competitive All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry.

We earned the right to do that in three tough games in Ulster. And we are somewhat in the hands of others at this stage.

We have had the full cross-section of Covid at this stage in our panel, from hospitalisation, to boys who have had relatively limited symptoms. But we have a heavy body of players in the middle who have been struck down by this virus and who are now in the return to play protocol. We still have some guys who haven't returned to play and we are six days out from the fixture.

We have had expert medical advice, within our own group of medics in the panel, and Professor Paddy Mallon of UCD and St Vincent's who is a disease control expert.

He has provided a written report to us and the report is clear that it is unsafe to play next weekend, and every day that goes by after that, particularly in another week, would make it significantly safer in terms of the return to play protocol.


Now, this virus is a virus that affects the heart and the lungs and to be perfectly honest I am deeply concerned about the overall position, whatever the consequences. I am also deeply concerned about next January when Tyrone try to line up a team of players and they aren't fit and if there are any residual issues arising through this phase of Covid in our panel.

All things considered, this has been the most challenging thing I have ever been involved in, in football. I have been in a lot of challenging positions right through the Troubles and onwards. But this has been the most challenging.


We battled through an Ulster final and we thought we could stay competitive and we took players out of commission where we felt it would be unsafe.

Now, we are unsafe to proceed in six days' time and that is the difficult position we find ourselves in.

Maybe the experts in Croke Park, their medics, should speak to our medics and the two sets should genuinely sit down and ask: 'What is a safe return to play for all involved?' We are in Croke Park's hands now. Of course, we would love them to give us three weeks. But we understand that life must go on and Tyrone cannot hold everyone to ransom unduly. That's why we hope to get at least another seven, eight days out of it, from where it is at.

DB: How much have the Croke Park authorities been in touch with you on this?

FL: We sent our data down. It is a mess and we deeply regret it. We deeply apologise and regret the inconvenience we are causing Kerry at the moment, and to the Association at large.

But there is a player safety and welfare issue. We cannot cut across it and we find ourselves in this difficult bind. We are bound by this at the moment and we are in no position to tell other people what to do.

We just hope that we can get the benefit of playing the fixture.

DB: Can you tell us the actual numbers of infection in the group?

FL: Well, Croke Park have our spreadsheet of numbers. We have had Public Health in and over the last number of weeks, we have had at least 17 or more positive tests, most of whom have played in this year's Championship. Four or more in the backroom.

So, the bottom line is other guys have had to isolate, other guys have done lateral flow tests and have been sent home from training, and then they came up negative.

We have a serious problem. Genuinely speaking, the Tyrone county board, and Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher do not go to this length, unduly and without a serious issue and serious concerns. Nothing would please us more than to turn into Croke Park next weekend and play a game.

It hasn't been pretty. We have had one player hospitalised. We are not doing this lightly.

We tested everybody in our ability ahead of the Ulster final with Lateral Flow tests. When we went to Killarney, we did 50-something Lateral Flows before we left.

We are monitoring and mitigating as best we can the risk within our camp.

We then went to Croke Park and Public Health because we were concerned about a week or more ago. They came then on the last Saturday and did a fresh set of tests for those that hadn't been tested. Public health set up a mobile unit in Garvaghey.

The net position is that there are 20 or more in the group who have had positive tests, 17 players, a significant number of whom have played in this year's Championship.

DB: Are you satisfied with the preventative protocols and measures?

FL: We resisted meeting as a group at any time, up and until we were properly entitled to by the Association.

That was in honour of the Association's regulations, but also because the public mood and the public opinion in January and February was not good or favourable and we didn't want to trifle with the situation.

Since then and even when we were allowed to open dressing rooms, we didn't open dressing rooms. We stayed outside, there were no shower facilities available. Every meeting we have had has been outside. Open-air video meetings.

If anything did move indoors, such as gym, it was very tightly regulated for any period for players.

We have tried to honour every protocol and every action to do with Covid. Whether people accept that or otherwise is beyond our control. I can assure you of that position.

DB: Are any of these cases due to the group meeting for post-match celebrations?

FL: This is a community-based issue. We have guys on our team who are not given to even going out, they are locked into their football, and they are down with this.

We at all times have endeavoured to stay away and avoid anything to do with this virus as a group, in our work and socially with the players. But regrettably, the best experts in the world have tried to batten down this virus, get to the sources, get to their transmission and we find ourselves in this position, howsoever it arose.

DB: So players who did not attend post-Ulster final celebrations, have it?

FL: It's a whole cross-section of our panel. We remain an amateur sport and it is in the community.

The numbers in this part of the world, Mid-Ulster, are the highest I believe in Ireland or the UK.

DB: Tomás ÓSé has asked why this has affected Tyrone and not any of the other panels left in the competition.

FL: The bottom line is, regrettably, a large part of that is just coincidence and luck. And I hope it doesn't find itself in any other panel because I wouldn't recommend this to anybody.

I am just hoping it will not happen to any other panel as it has been very disruptive in our panel.

We don't feel particularly good about the disruption we are causing across Ireland, but we just have to deal with it.

Ultimately it goes back to a player safety and welfare issue and we cannot trifle with that. We have to act in the best interests of our own panel and our own players. That's the position we find ourselves in.

DB: How are the training sessions right now?

FL: There's an open stand in Garvaghey and the players would throw their bags in that. Now we put a video screen up in that stand and do everything there.

The players park beside the stand and drive away from there.

The main complex in Garvaghey hasn't been opened for virtually a year and a half. The Hub gym, we had some usage of with some strict measures. And we tried to conduct a few things in there, but that is now months ago.

DB: How are you doing your strength and conditioning work?

FL: They are asked to go to their own home gyms, or their private places.

But all of that has been totally gone for weeks now. We had a spell of weather where things were lovely, but the last couple of weeks there's been a few mucky nights up there. That's life, we have to just get into the car and head home.

But there has been no preparation for any game, let alone a game of this importance. And we are going to have to carry that with us, if we do get the opportunity, we are going to hit a point where we have to focus on football.

DB: What are the levels of vaccination in the panel?

FL: There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated.

Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups.

That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort.

In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance.

Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board. There are some players vaccinated for a variety of reasons, be they on the front line, or work in health.

It's one of those things, even with the vaccination, people are still getting it and with first-hand experience of that, it lays you low.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40359944.html

The dodging and weaving on the post-match celebrations question particularly telling.

The bit about being anxious that lads might be missing for two weeks if they got vaccinated and being worried that it might inhibit their performance is just car crash stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2021, 02:25:35 PM
Reading some of that Tyrone won't be able to play with some of the current crop ever again, its the worst he's seen since the troubles . Monaghan must be favourites next year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2021, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

There would be no outcry. Our Armagh brethren are scrabbling around attempting to build this into something more. Just like old times.

I hope you are at full strength. Will be funnier when you are beaten
Tyrone are happy to provide entertainment to Armagh in their off season from June -Dec. It would be a long winter for ya otherwise.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2021, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

There would be no outcry. Our Armagh brethren are scrabbling around attempting to build this into something more. Just like old times.

I hope you are at full strength. Will be funnier when you are beaten
Tyrone are happy to provide entertainment to Armagh in their off season from June -Dec. It would be a long winter for ya otherwise.

Wonder if some of the  Armagh supporters realise how sad they sound when they have to wait for tyrone to be knocked out of the championship in order to find enjoyment
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 16, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
Quote'The net position is that there are 20 or more in the group who have had positive tests'

The GAA will meet today to plan a way forward after Tyrone stated they will not be in a position to fulfil Saturday's All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry due to the high number of Covid incidents within their panel. Declan Bogue spoke to joint-manager Feargal Logan who has appealed for a re-fixture of the showdown

Declan Bogue: Feargal, Tyrone have stated they will not be playing Kerry this Saturday, What would you like instead.

Feargal Logan: Ideally, we would like to play a meaningful, competitive All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry.

We earned the right to do that in three tough games in Ulster. And we are somewhat in the hands of others at this stage.

We have had the full cross-section of Covid at this stage in our panel, from hospitalisation, to boys who have had relatively limited symptoms. But we have a heavy body of players in the middle who have been struck down by this virus and who are now in the return to play protocol. We still have some guys who haven't returned to play and we are six days out from the fixture.

We have had expert medical advice, within our own group of medics in the panel, and Professor Paddy Mallon of UCD and St Vincent's who is a disease control expert.

He has provided a written report to us and the report is clear that it is unsafe to play next weekend, and every day that goes by after that, particularly in another week, would make it significantly safer in terms of the return to play protocol.


Now, this virus is a virus that affects the heart and the lungs and to be perfectly honest I am deeply concerned about the overall position, whatever the consequences. I am also deeply concerned about next January when Tyrone try to line up a team of players and they aren't fit and if there are any residual issues arising through this phase of Covid in our panel.

All things considered, this has been the most challenging thing I have ever been involved in, in football. I have been in a lot of challenging positions right through the Troubles and onwards. But this has been the most challenging.


We battled through an Ulster final and we thought we could stay competitive and we took players out of commission where we felt it would be unsafe.

Now, we are unsafe to proceed in six days' time and that is the difficult position we find ourselves in.

Maybe the experts in Croke Park, their medics, should speak to our medics and the two sets should genuinely sit down and ask: 'What is a safe return to play for all involved?' We are in Croke Park's hands now. Of course, we would love them to give us three weeks. But we understand that life must go on and Tyrone cannot hold everyone to ransom unduly. That's why we hope to get at least another seven, eight days out of it, from where it is at.

DB: How much have the Croke Park authorities been in touch with you on this?

FL: We sent our data down. It is a mess and we deeply regret it. We deeply apologise and regret the inconvenience we are causing Kerry at the moment, and to the Association at large.

But there is a player safety and welfare issue. We cannot cut across it and we find ourselves in this difficult bind. We are bound by this at the moment and we are in no position to tell other people what to do.

We just hope that we can get the benefit of playing the fixture.

DB: Can you tell us the actual numbers of infection in the group?

FL: Well, Croke Park have our spreadsheet of numbers. We have had Public Health in and over the last number of weeks, we have had at least 17 or more positive tests, most of whom have played in this year's Championship. Four or more in the backroom.

So, the bottom line is other guys have had to isolate, other guys have done lateral flow tests and have been sent home from training, and then they came up negative.

We have a serious problem. Genuinely speaking, the Tyrone county board, and Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher do not go to this length, unduly and without a serious issue and serious concerns. Nothing would please us more than to turn into Croke Park next weekend and play a game.

It hasn't been pretty. We have had one player hospitalised. We are not doing this lightly.

We tested everybody in our ability ahead of the Ulster final with Lateral Flow tests. When we went to Killarney, we did 50-something Lateral Flows before we left.

We are monitoring and mitigating as best we can the risk within our camp.

We then went to Croke Park and Public Health because we were concerned about a week or more ago. They came then on the last Saturday and did a fresh set of tests for those that hadn't been tested. Public health set up a mobile unit in Garvaghey.

The net position is that there are 20 or more in the group who have had positive tests, 17 players, a significant number of whom have played in this year's Championship.

DB: Are you satisfied with the preventative protocols and measures?

FL: We resisted meeting as a group at any time, up and until we were properly entitled to by the Association.

That was in honour of the Association's regulations, but also because the public mood and the public opinion in January and February was not good or favourable and we didn't want to trifle with the situation.

Since then and even when we were allowed to open dressing rooms, we didn't open dressing rooms. We stayed outside, there were no shower facilities available. Every meeting we have had has been outside. Open-air video meetings.

If anything did move indoors, such as gym, it was very tightly regulated for any period for players.

We have tried to honour every protocol and every action to do with Covid. Whether people accept that or otherwise is beyond our control. I can assure you of that position.

DB: Are any of these cases due to the group meeting for post-match celebrations?

FL: This is a community-based issue. We have guys on our team who are not given to even going out, they are locked into their football, and they are down with this.

We at all times have endeavoured to stay away and avoid anything to do with this virus as a group, in our work and socially with the players. But regrettably, the best experts in the world have tried to batten down this virus, get to the sources, get to their transmission and we find ourselves in this position, howsoever it arose.

DB: So players who did not attend post-Ulster final celebrations, have it?

FL: It's a whole cross-section of our panel. We remain an amateur sport and it is in the community.

The numbers in this part of the world, Mid-Ulster, are the highest I believe in Ireland or the UK.

DB: Tomás ÓSé has asked why this has affected Tyrone and not any of the other panels left in the competition.

FL: The bottom line is, regrettably, a large part of that is just coincidence and luck. And I hope it doesn't find itself in any other panel because I wouldn't recommend this to anybody.

I am just hoping it will not happen to any other panel as it has been very disruptive in our panel.

We don't feel particularly good about the disruption we are causing across Ireland, but we just have to deal with it.

Ultimately it goes back to a player safety and welfare issue and we cannot trifle with that. We have to act in the best interests of our own panel and our own players. That's the position we find ourselves in.

DB: How are the training sessions right now?

FL: There's an open stand in Garvaghey and the players would throw their bags in that. Now we put a video screen up in that stand and do everything there.

The players park beside the stand and drive away from there.

The main complex in Garvaghey hasn't been opened for virtually a year and a half. The Hub gym, we had some usage of with some strict measures. And we tried to conduct a few things in there, but that is now months ago.

DB: How are you doing your strength and conditioning work?

FL: They are asked to go to their own home gyms, or their private places.

But all of that has been totally gone for weeks now. We had a spell of weather where things were lovely, but the last couple of weeks there's been a few mucky nights up there. That's life, we have to just get into the car and head home.

But there has been no preparation for any game, let alone a game of this importance. And we are going to have to carry that with us, if we do get the opportunity, we are going to hit a point where we have to focus on football.

DB: What are the levels of vaccination in the panel?

FL: There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated.

Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups.

That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort.

In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance.

Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board. There are some players vaccinated for a variety of reasons, be they on the front line, or work in health.

It's one of those things, even with the vaccination, people are still getting it and with first-hand experience of that, it lays you low.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40359944.html

The dodging and weaving on the post-match celebrations question particularly telling.

The bit about being anxious that lads might be missing for two weeks if they got vaccinated and being worried that it might inhibit their performance is just car crash stuff.

Think Tomás ÓSé is grasping at straws. Tyrone is a more densely populated area than Kerry. Adding in the fact that NI has the highest transmission rate in the UK its not hard to figure out how the virus raced through the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2021, 03:18:18 PM
Were any of the Tyrone team vacinated, cause it's looking like this was the case. The county full of anti vacs by the look of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GlenMan on August 16, 2021, 03:22:24 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2021, 03:18:18 PM
Were any of the Tyrone team vacinated, cause it's looking like this was the case. The county full of anti vacs by the look of it.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting Covid and testing positive?

Nor does it totally prevent you from getting sick.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
OK I know that but the vaccine supposed to limit any severe side effects but the shear numbers we talking about seem to suggest the players were not vacinated. Be intetesting to know if the other teams of the 20's age group player in Kerry and, Mayo have bothered.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:46:57 PM
You have to read between the lines from that Fergal Logan interview. When asked did they get the virus after the Ulster final post match celebrations he gave a typical politicians answer from which you can take whatever you want from. But he didn't deny it. 

Presumably they have a medical team. Did this medical team advise their players that they could be unwell for 2 weeks after taking the vaccine because that is not consistent with generally accepted medical advice. My take on that would be that some players individually thought that they didn't need the vaccine.

I don't have a problem with lads going to the pub to celebrate the Ulster final or indeed not taking the vaccine. That is their own personal choice, everybody is aware of the risks and you make your choice accordingly. But don't then complain and hold the country to ransom by disrupting the All Ireland series because of those same choices. It would appear that it is the individual actions of the players that has brought this on themselves.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Kidder81 on August 16, 2021, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:46:57 PM
You have to read between the lines from that Fergal Logan interview. When asked did they get the virus after the Ulster final post match celebrations he gave a typical politicians answer from which you can take whatever you want from. But he didn't deny it. 

Presumably they have a medical team. Did this medical team advise their players that they could be unwell for 2 weeks after taking the vaccine because that is not consistent with generally accepted medical advice. My take on that would be that some players individually thought that they didn't need the vaccine.

I don't have a problem with lads going to the pub to celebrate the Ulster final or indeed not taking the vaccine. That is their own personal choice, everybody is aware of the risks and you make your choice accordingly. But don't then complain and hold the country to ransom by disrupting the All Ireland series because of those same choices. It would appear that it is the individual actions of the players that has brought this on themselves.   

100%
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   

Where does this pub celebrating craic all come from?  Its not like covid wasn't in the squad before the Ulster Final - is it not possible that the spread of the virus happened at this time prior to Logan and the affected players finding out?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:46:57 PM
You have to read between the lines from that Fergal Logan interview. When asked did they get the virus after the Ulster final post match celebrations he gave a typical politicians answer from which you can take whatever you want from. But he didn't deny it. 

Presumably they have a medical team. Did this medical team advise their players that they could be unwell for 2 weeks after taking the vaccine because that is not consistent with generally accepted medical advice. My take on that would be that some players individually thought that they didn't need the vaccine.

I don't have a problem with lads going to the pub to celebrate the Ulster final or indeed not taking the vaccine. That is their own personal choice, everybody is aware of the risks and you make your choice accordingly. But don't then complain and hold the country to ransom by disrupting the All Ireland series because of those same choices. It would appear that it is the individual actions of the players that has brought this on themselves.   
Except there was no ransom. Tyrone said they would reluctantly withdraw, causing no disruption to the timeframe.
The faux outrage by the Armagh ones is heartwarming.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 16, 2021, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   

Nonsense
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GJL on August 16, 2021, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:46:57 PM
You have to read between the lines from that Fergal Logan interview. When asked did they get the virus after the Ulster final post match celebrations he gave a typical politicians answer from which you can take whatever you want from. But he didn't deny it. 

Presumably they have a medical team. Did this medical team advise their players that they could be unwell for 2 weeks after taking the vaccine because that is not consistent with generally accepted medical advice. My take on that would be that some players individually thought that they didn't need the vaccine.

I don't have a problem with lads going to the pub to celebrate the Ulster final or indeed not taking the vaccine. That is their own personal choice, everybody is aware of the risks and you make your choice accordingly. But don't then complain and hold the country to ransom by disrupting the All Ireland series because of those same choices. It would appear that it is the individual actions of the players that has brought this on themselves.   
Except there was no ransom. Tyrone said they would reluctantly withdraw, causing no disruption to the timeframe.
The faux outrage by the Armagh ones is heartwarming.

Ah sure they need something in August...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 16, 2021, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   

Where does this pub celebrating craic all come from?  Its not like covid wasn't in the squad before the Ulster Final - is it not possible that the spread of the virus happened at this time prior to Logan and the affected players finding out?

That would not suit the narrative of some on here though.

All of the 'experts' here know it was the fault of the players - end of story.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 04:45:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   

Where does this pub celebrating craic all come from?  Its not like covid wasn't in the squad before the Ulster Final - is it not possible that the spread of the virus happened at this time prior to Logan and the affected players finding out?

It's from the interview someone posted up earlier. You can draw your own conclusions.


DB: Are any of these cases due to the group meeting for post-match
celebrations?


FL: This is a community-based issue. We have guys on our team who are not given to even going out, they are locked into their football, and they are down with this.

We at all times have endeavoured to stay away and avoid anything to do with this virus as a group, in our work and socially with the players. But regrettably, the best experts in the world have tried to batten down this virus, get to the sources, get to their transmission and we find ourselves in this position, howsoever it arose.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 16, 2021, 04:48:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 16, 2021, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   

Where does this pub celebrating craic all come from?  Its not like covid wasn't in the squad before the Ulster Final - is it not possible that the spread of the virus happened at this time prior to Logan and the affected players finding out?

That would not suit the narrative of some on here though.

All of the 'experts' here know it was the fault of the players - end of story.


Well if they weren't all together in a pub celebrating after the Ulster Final then say that?

I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same but let's not pretend it's not a factor and completely gloss over it like the Tyrone management and media have. They obviously spent time together against COVID Protocols and while it may have been in the squad before that and the session had nothing to do with it nobody can say that for sure and it's hard to say it wouldn't have been a factor.

If they were honest about it they'd get a whole lot more respect from me because it would be hard to begrduge a celebration after the last 18 months and the change of management etc. but then they'd get pilloried either way as it is with everything now!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 16, 2021, 04:48:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 16, 2021, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 16, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
You would imagine that there is bound to be some lingering ill feeling within the Tyrone squad between players who were vaccinated and the anti vaxxers. Also with players who chose to go out after the Ulster final and then brought the virus into the squad, there is bound to be some finger pointing going on from within.   

Where does this pub celebrating craic all come from?  Its not like covid wasn't in the squad before the Ulster Final - is it not possible that the spread of the virus happened at this time prior to Logan and the affected players finding out?

That would not suit the narrative of some on here though.

All of the 'experts' here know it was the fault of the players - end of story.


Well if they weren't all together in a pub celebrating after the Ulster Final then say that?

I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same but let's not pretend it's not a factor and completely gloss over it like the Tyrone management and media have. They obviously spent time together against COVID Protocols and while it may have been in the squad before that and the session had nothing to do with it nobody can say that for sure and it's hard to say it wouldn't have been a factor.

If they were honest about it they'd get a whole lot more respect from me because it would be hard to begrduge a celebration after the last 18 months and the change of management etc. but then they'd get pilloried either way as it is with everything now!

This is unfair just before an AI semifinal. I mean, how are they supposed to sleep at night now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 16, 2021, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2021, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 16, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2021, 11:56:02 PM
There will be some outcry if Tyrone turn up with a full deck plus a fit McShane and Canavan lining out and manage to beat Kerry.

Surely, most true Gaels want to see two full strength teams?

There would be no outcry. Our Armagh brethren are scrabbling around attempting to build this into something more. Just like old times.

I hope you are at full strength. Will be funnier when you are beaten
Tyrone are happy to provide entertainment to Armagh in their off season from June -Dec. It would be a long winter for ya otherwise.

Wonder if some of the  Armagh supporters realise how sad they sound when they have to wait for tyrone to be knocked out of the championship in order to find enjoyment

You have an awful high opinion of yourselves, sure its all a bit of craic. It's not as if you are Down anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

Were they 100% in the pub? Have heard ones say they were and others say they weren't. I don't k ow either way. If they were I assume it was the ones without covid. But sure the pubs are allowed to be open, if they said they caught it in work no one would bat an eye lid but because they potentially caught it in a pub everyone is up in arms.

Plus we don't know if it was the ones who were potentially in the pub that were the ones to catch it.

If they all caught it in a pub then it was a bit stupid alright but  they are too many unknowns to say for certain. Heck they could have all already been infected just before the ulster final and only showed symptoms the week after.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
It's obvious the Tyronebots will defend their own til their dying breaths, but I'd imagine the Tyrone County Board and Management set up are furious they've been put in this position and made to look like some tinpot B team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
It's obvious the Tyronebots will defend their own til their dying breaths, but I'd imagine the Tyrone County Board and Management set up are furious they've been put in this position and made to look like some tinpot B team.

It's good we have the Armagh contingent to keep the world right. At least between them they can try and drag this out while everyone else moves on and enjoys the business end of the season.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
It's obvious the Tyronebots will defend their own til their dying breaths, but I'd imagine the Tyrone County Board and Management set up are furious they've been put in this position and made to look like some tinpot B team.

It's good we have the Armagh contingent to keep the world right. At least between them they can try and drag this out while everyone else moves on and enjoys the business end of the season.
You keep mentioning Armagh as some sort of deflector shield (5th or 6th time), nobody is buying it. Tyrone need to own their mistakes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 16, 2021, 10:58:08 PM
Outside of Sligo and Fermanagh during the peak period last Yr, no other counties have had this sort outbreak and obviously watching themselves during championship, how did Tyrone so badly let their guard down.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 10:34:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 10:32:44 PM
It's obvious the Tyronebots will defend their own til their dying breaths, but I'd imagine the Tyrone County Board and Management set up are furious they've been put in this position and made to look like some tinpot B team.

It's good we have the Armagh contingent to keep the world right. At least between them they can try and drag this out while everyone else moves on and enjoys the business end of the season.
You keep mentioning Armagh as some sort of deflector shield (5th or 6th time), nobody is buying it. Tyrone need to own their mistakes.
It's getting to the stage the mods should think about merging this with the Armagh local discussion threads. I'm only joking, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that most of the posters giving out about this are from Armagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 16, 2021, 11:11:43 PM
Irish News Tomorrow, Chair O'Kane Column. 

Tyrone v Kerry should have gone ahead this Saturday. Those that are fit to play, play. Those that aren't fit to play, don't play. If there's a player welfare issue, it's for Tyrone to deal with themselves. That's life. That's sport.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 16, 2021, 11:20:16 PM
Micheal Quirke

"Quirke said the right decision was reached in further delaying the second All-Ireland semi-final due to the Covid-19 outbreak in the Tyrone camp."


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2021, 11:39:34 PM
Was there allowances for games to be rearranged at the semifinal stage rather than provincial championships?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 17, 2021, 01:42:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2021, 11:39:34 PM
Was there allowances for games to be rearranged at the semifinal stage rather than provincial championships?
There were no allowances up to the semi final stage. But from the semi final stage onward the GAA central had the prerogative to make decisions according to circumstances. It would not have been practical to postpone an earlier round game due to a covid outbreak. The argument that there's one rule for the top teams  doesn't hold muster.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Silver hill on August 17, 2021, 08:36:38 AM
That was a very astute political performance by Tyrone.
They called it out, made their withdrawal statement then stood back and watched things unfold.
It was a strategic masterclass. 👏👏
However, regarding the celebrations after the Ulster final, let's put that one to bed; there was a collective gathering with drink involved.
Hindsight is 20/20 but with Covid rampant in the group and the wider community, it was reckless and ill advised at best.
Not sure what outcome was expected when they decided to celebrate as a group; an escalation was inevitable. (And the management knew well just how bad it was prior to sanctioning it, given the absentees in CP that day).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
It'll be interesting to hear the news from the Tyrone camp to see how players are progressing. Fingers crossed we start to hear good news coming through and as many as possible recover without longer ill effects.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 17, 2021, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
It'll be interesting to hear the news from the Tyrone camp to see how players are progressing. Fingers crossed we start to hear good news coming through and as many as possible recover without longer ill effects.

Nearly a full house last night. I've a feeling we'll do well...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 17, 2021, 09:51:01 AM
So is everybody back training?

As for this covid blame game, why is there such a focus on the post Ulster Final activities given that these infections are more than likely from before the Ulster Final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
The precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see if/when there are Covid outbreaks during the upcoming club championships and individual teams seek postponement, how it is dealt with by county boards. The response of the Tyrone supporters has shown the tribal nature of the GAA and in many ways that is understandable. But lets not pretend that it is anything other than looking after their own interests. The Tyrone management have played a blinder from a strategic point of view, they forced the GAA's hand and got the outcome they wanted. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 17, 2021, 10:16:01 AM
In regards to the sligo situation last year I was reading about it there now and for some reason sligo wouldn't say how many of their players were affected by it. Surely that had to go against them. If there 4 or 5 players affected by tit then then game should have gone on if over half the panel were affected as in tyrones case then they should have gotten a reschedule.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armamike on August 17, 2021, 10:16:28 AM
31 counties against Tyrone in a big game.  A bit like the old days.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Under Lights on August 17, 2021, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 17, 2021, 09:51:01 AM
So is everybody back training?

As for this covid blame game, why is there such a focus on the post Ulster Final activities given that these infections are more than likely from before the Ulster Final.

Stems from an ill fated BBQ after the Donegal game I'm afraid. Shutter to think how many played the UF not knowing they were carrying the disease.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 10:22:13 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
The precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see if/when there are Covid outbreaks during the upcoming club championships and individual teams seek postponement, how it is dealt with by county boards. The response of the Tyrone supporters has shown the tribal nature of the GAA and in many ways that is understandable. But lets not pretend that it is anything other than looking after their own interests. The Tyrone management have played a blinder from a strategic point of view, they forced the GAA's hand and got the outcome they wanted.

Let's be honest, so have all the Armagh posters on here. Again, understandable I suppose. But let's not dress it up as anything else.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 17, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
Quote from: Corkscrew on August 16, 2021, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
I don't get the backslapping over this Kerry statement at all.

To do anything else would be heartless and a spectacular own-goal. Also, the statement is loaded with digs. The lowest one is that...'what are Tyrone at? We have been angels and it's not our fault'. God forbid there's an outbreak in the Kerry camp. They also don't say what they asked Croke. We'll never know.

Only for Kerry's intervention Tyrone would be out of the championship so you would need to rethink your opinion.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html)
Fair play to Kerry and especially Mayo. No one wants to see the match not played. Hopefully Kerry tank them off the field fair and square.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 17, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
The precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see if/when there are Covid outbreaks during the upcoming club championships and individual teams seek postponement, how it is dealt with by county boards. The response of the Tyrone supporters has shown the tribal nature of the GAA and in many ways that is understandable. But lets not pretend that it is anything other than looking after their own interests. The Tyrone management have played a blinder from a strategic point of view, they forced the GAA's hand and got the outcome they wanted.

A precedent has not been set. The gaa rules said that once teams got to the all ireland semi finals they would be accommodated if there was a covid outbreak. In earlier championship games or the league teams would have to concede a walkover if couldn't field. What happened with Tyrone was in line with this. It's much easier to postpone a few games later in the championship than at the beginning.

What happens in the club championships will come down to the individual county board rules and time available to play the competitions. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2021, 10:44:42 AM
Could you quote that rule from the TO or wherever it's written  please?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 17, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
The precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see if/when there are Covid outbreaks during the upcoming club championships and individual teams seek postponement, how it is dealt with by county boards. The response of the Tyrone supporters has shown the tribal nature of the GAA and in many ways that is understandable. But lets not pretend that it is anything other than looking after their own interests. The Tyrone management have played a blinder from a strategic point of view, they forced the GAA's hand and got the outcome they wanted.

A precedent has not been set. The gaa rules said that once teams got to the all ireland semi finals they would be accommodated if there was a covid outbreak. In earlier championship games or the league teams would have to concede a walkover if couldn't field. What happened with Tyrone was in line with this. It's much easier to postpone a few games later in the championship than at the beginning.

What happens in the club championships will come down to the individual county board rules and time available to play the competitions.

I'm not doubting you but was this confirmed by the GAA? If so then of course that changes things.

You can imagine a situation where club teams up and down the country will be celebrating county final victories in the months ahead giving rise to Covid outbreaks. Where does that then leave the provincial club competitions if clubs seek postponements? The GAA would need to try and regularise the rules in advance otherwise there will be all sorts of administrative headaches when it comes to fixtures.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 17, 2021, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 17, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:04:27 AM
The precedent has now been set and it will be interesting to see if/when there are Covid outbreaks during the upcoming club championships and individual teams seek postponement, how it is dealt with by county boards. The response of the Tyrone supporters has shown the tribal nature of the GAA and in many ways that is understandable. But lets not pretend that it is anything other than looking after their own interests. The Tyrone management have played a blinder from a strategic point of view, they forced the GAA's hand and got the outcome they wanted.

A precedent has not been set. The gaa rules said that once teams got to the all ireland semi finals they would be accommodated if there was a covid outbreak. In earlier championship games or the league teams would have to concede a walkover if couldn't field. What happened with Tyrone was in line with this. It's much easier to postpone a few games later in the championship than at the beginning.

What happens in the club championships will come down to the individual county board rules and time available to play the competitions.

I'm not doubting you but was this confirmed by the GAA? If so then of course that changes things.

You can imagine a situation where club teams up and down the country will be celebrating county final victories in the months ahead giving rise to Covid outbreaks. Where does that then leave the provincial club competitions if clubs seek postponements? The GAA would need to try and regularise the rules in advance otherwise there will be all sorts of administrative headaches when it comes to fixtures.
And there will be ones on here crying that they shouldn't be allowed to.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Louther on August 17, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.

Who to say they not the same thing. You keep digging and making excuses. Some of the deflection here is shocking.

If i posted some of the other stories doing the rounds it be worse but I wouldn't post ideal speculation.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 17, 2021, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 17, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
Quote from: Corkscrew on August 16, 2021, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
I don't get the backslapping over this Kerry statement at all.

To do anything else would be heartless and a spectacular own-goal. Also, the statement is loaded with digs. The lowest one is that...'what are Tyrone at? We have been angels and it's not our fault'. God forbid there's an outbreak in the Kerry camp. They also don't say what they asked Croke. We'll never know.

Only for Kerry's intervention Tyrone would be out of the championship so you would need to rethink your opinion.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html)
Fair play to Kerry and especially Mayo. No one wants to see the match not played. Hopefully Kerry tank them off the field fair and square.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 17, 2021, 11:19:38 AM
I'd say the GAA have covered themselves OK rules wise, from reading the Irish News today it seems the GAA were 100% prepared to give Kerry a bye, seems only for Kerry & Mayo being accommodating Tyrone would be gone. Sounds like a straw they can clutch at if needs be.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 17, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.

Who to say they not the same thing. You keep digging and making excuses. Some of the deflection here is shocking.

If i posted some of the other stories doing the rounds it be worse but I wouldn't post ideal speculation.
So spill the beans on what you know for a fact? How many were collectively out?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 17, 2021, 11:19:38 AM
I'd say the GAA have covered themselves OK rules wise, from reading the Irish News today it seems the GAA were 100% prepared to give Kerry a bye, seems only for Kerry & Mayo being accommodating Tyrone would be gone. Sounds like a straw they can clutch at if needs be.

I didn't read that article yet but that might get them off the hook. Very accomodating of Kerry and Mayo although from reading Mike Quirke's comments I think his greater concern was simply that Kerry would be going into the AI final without a match which would not be ideal preparation for them.

I still think some communication on what the rules are should be communicated to clubs to save another furore.     
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 17, 2021, 11:36:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.
I wouldn't be getting it the day or two before a big game for sure, but any other time and there's no real excuse not to.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 11:40:39 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

Yes, that's precisely the bit I don't understand the most. I doubt very much if this advice came from the Tyrone medical team because it is not generally accepted medical practice. It wasn't for the Tyrone management to make vaccination compulsory (it's down to personal choice) but neither should they be relaying ill founded concerns about taking ill for 2 weeks following the vaccine. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

Agreed. Actively discouraging it because, what, they might miss a training session? Even worse is that nonsense misinformation re side effects. Shameful from management.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 12:22:37 PM
Player welfare or county welfare?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 17, 2021, 12:41:17 PM
Who the hell bes out of action for two weeks after the vaccine?!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

Agreed. Actively discouraging it because, what, they might miss a training session? Even worse is that nonsense misinformation re side effects. Shameful from management.
Not encouraging and actively discouraging are worlds apart.

Mea culpa. Bad phrasing on my part. Nevertheless, the statement reeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 01:01:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 17, 2021, 12:41:17 PM
Who the hell bes out of action for two weeks after the vaccine?!

The stories will come out, but in general the vaccination has not caused long term effects. Vaccines were readily available in the 6 counties in recent months, the team doctor could probably have vaccinated them after a game at the weekend and they
d be grand for training on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2021, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:57:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

Agreed. Actively discouraging it because, what, they might miss a training session? Even worse is that nonsense misinformation re side effects. Shameful from management.

It is disgraceful from the Tyrone management and in my book totally changes how they should be viewed. There was a lot of sympathy for their plight but the lack of vaccinations and major socialising after the ulster final completely loses them all neutrals sympathy. Encouraging the players not to get the vaccine in case they missed a training session or 2 is just ridiculous and dangerous for the players. If any of them get really sick they would have a good case against the management or the tyrone county board.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
Not getting vaccinated is stupid. Be it the Tyrone panel or elsewhere. I'm sure on hindsight the ones not vaccinated are regretting the decision. If the management in any way discouraged taking the vaccine then I'd be bitterly disappointed.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 17, 2021, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
Not getting vaccinated is stupid. Be it the Tyrone panel or elsewhere. I'm sure on hindsight the ones not vaccinated are regretting the decision. If the management in any way discouraged taking the vaccine then I'd be bitterly disappointed.

There's bound to be a big uptake of younger players getting vaccinated now with the new legislation regarding being double jabbed and not having to isolate (with a negative test result)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 17, 2021, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
Not getting vaccinated is stupid. Be it the Tyrone panel or elsewhere. I'm sure on hindsight the ones not vaccinated are regretting the decision. If the management in any way discouraged taking the vaccine then I'd be bitterly disappointed.

There's bound to be a big uptake of younger players getting vaccinated now with the new legislation regarding being double jabbed and not having to isolate (with a negative test result)
You'd like to hope so.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Silver hill on August 17, 2021, 05:21:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

After the semi finals, several members of both the Armagh and Tyrone squads were in Tomneys in the Moy that Sunday night.

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Silver hill on August 17, 2021, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on August 17, 2021, 05:21:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 17, 2021, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Louther on August 16, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 16, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 16, 2021, 05:28:52 PM
Seems people are forgetting covid was in the camp before the final. About 5 people had it before the final and any celebrations. Its possible more ones had it during the final without knowing it. Lateral flow tests are not 100% accurate

After the semi finals, several members of both the Armagh and Tyrone squads were in Tomneys in the Moy that Sunday night.

My point exactly too.  This virus has risen its head in the squad before the so called 'celebrations'.

Then why in the holy mother of god would they go to the pub collectively and Logan has said in his interview that mid ulster had some of the highest numbers in UK and Ireland at the time.

Yes. They've won Ulster, celebrate surely. But in a pandemic, with covid on the rise, knowing it already in the squad and you've an all Ireland semi in two weeks.

Absolute stupidity of the highest level. Did they think heading to the pub would help wash it away.

It's mad how worked up people get about something that they don't even know actually happened. Who told you they all went to the pub "collectively"? You do realise pubs aren't the only places where the virus can spread?

Are you green? Blindingly obvious some form of celebrations took place. Logan's response to twice been asked the question was the best form of deflection you see.

If there was none, it was very easy to say so at that time and since the game it's been well know that there was a gathering, Tyrone people have even said it.

"Some form of celebrations" is very different from going to the "pub collectively". I'm sure you have more info than me to be so sure to be ranting about it.



After the semi finals, several members of both the Armagh and Tyrone squads were in Tomneys in the Moy that Sunday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: LeoMc on August 17, 2021, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?
Any vaccinated player would not have had to isolate as per current guidelines.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 05:29:09 PM
Listening to a lot of assumptions here about Covid and vaccinations and what people should and shouldn't do, without any consideration of individuals, societal challenges, misinformation by authorities, ever-shifting status updates, lock down fatigue, etc., etc. This is not a normal time and whether you're bareback in Danny Healy Rae's pub, celebrating an Olympic gold, partying with Zappone, or fully isolating and still sanitising your groceries, no-one can tell you what is the right thing to do.  What is disgraceful to one person is understandable to another.  In reacting to the outbreak, all parties seem to have been pretty honorable and should be applauded. A few on here could take a leaf out of their books.  Booked the tickets today and starting to think about the teams, match-ups, etc.  That's what it's all about. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?

I'm not privy to your assertion that some of the players experienced health problems because of the vaccine or certainly to the best of my knowledge that is not something that was made public by the Tyrone camp. If this did this cause a problem with some individual players then come out and say it, then at least we know that they have taken the responsible action in getting vaccinated.

I don't know the answer as to when and how often they were being tested but I would like to think that when the first Covid outbreak became known that they would have been tested in advance of each subsequent gathering of players.

If half the squad were positive of course they couldn't play the semi final, they would be in isolation.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
The GAA should state that is willing to look at the case for postponement if players get ill from being vaccinated, but that it will not entertain any request for postponement resulting from unvaccinated people getting ill from Covid.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

lol, the number having any kind of long term effects from the vaccine is estimated at one in every 10,000 or less. So that means you know between 70,000 and 80,000 people. Get real and stop telling fibs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
The GAA should state that is willing to look at the case for postponement if players get ill from being vaccinated, but that it will not entertain any request for postponement resulting from unvaccinated people getting ill from Covid.

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 17, 2021, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
The GAA should state that is willing to look at the case for postponement if players get ill from being vaccinated, but that it will not entertain any request for postponement resulting from unvaccinated people getting ill from Covid.

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.
Jesus Christ what a shit show
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 17, 2021, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 17, 2021, 05:44:04 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
The GAA should state that is willing to look at the case for postponement if players get ill from being vaccinated, but that it will not entertain any request for postponement resulting from unvaccinated people getting ill from Covid.

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.
Jesus Christ what a shit show

if thats true
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

You would hope that most of the players would be sensible enough to make an informed decision based on the advice of medical professionals based on statistical evidence rather than some anecdote from Mick down the pub. If not then they should have been prepared to deal with the consequences if they then got the virus.

What about those experiencing health problems because of the vaccines? Should they 'have been prepared to deal with the consequences'?

Now, I don't know the details of how covid spread in the Tyrone camp. But if all players/management were vaccinated, I assume testing would still take place?

And if half the squad tested positive, but were vaccinated (with no major health issues), would they still be allowed to play the semi final while symptomatic ? Or would that depend on all Kerry being vaccinated?

I'm not privy to your assertion that some of the players experienced health problems because of the vaccine or certainly to the best of my knowledge that is not something that was made public by the Tyrone camp. If this did this cause a problem with some individual players then come out and say it, then at least we know that they have taken the responsible action in getting vaccinated.

I don't know the answer as to when and how often they were being tested but I would like to think that when the first Covid outbreak became known that they would have been tested in advance of each subsequent gathering of players.

If half the squad were positive of course they couldn't play the semi final, they would be in isolation.

My first paragraph wasn't about Tyrone players. It was about people in general .
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Quote from Fergal Logan. Link https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

"There are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated. Obviously, vaccination is a personal choice. They were kept updated by us consistently, as to the timings of vaccinations at the different age groups. That didn't come about until late May, June, until it got in around the age group of this cohort. In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board" — Logan, August 16

Players chosing not to get vaccinated is so damn irresponsible.

Team management implying that they should not encourage vaccination because "they might go under for two weeks" is far worse. We have all had vaccines and it would be extremely unusual to have any significant after effect last more than 48 hours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I personally know of at least 7 or 8 people, of various  ages and  fitness,who are still feeling the effects of vaccination weeks and months afterwards.

lol, the number having any kind of long term effects from the vaccine is estimated at one in every 10,000 or less. So that means you know between 70,000 and 80,000 people. Get real and stop telling fibs.

Yeah that's it. I'm telling fibs  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
I don't know anyone who felt ill more than a day after being vaccinated, that's my family, her family, my friends and work colleagues..

I think you're telling fibs, weeks and months?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 17, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
I don't know anyone who felt ill more than a day after being vaccinated, that's my family, her family, my friends and work colleagues..

I think you're telling fibs, weeks and months?

Yes, weeks and months.  Fatigue, pains all over, low energy levels, headaches. Any kind of exertion, had  to lie down .  Three in particular going on at least 4-5 months.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 07:07:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 17, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
The GAA should state that is willing to look at the case for postponement if players get ill from being vaccinated, but that it will not entertain any request for postponement resulting from unvaccinated people getting ill from Covid.

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

All 20 weren't vaccinated? I'd like to see you back that up as I know one affected who was vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
I don't know anyone who felt ill more than a day after being vaccinated, that's my family, her family, my friends and work colleagues..

I think you're telling fibs, weeks and months?

I was rough about 11 or 12 days after the first one.

Some boys seem to have a fair auld grip on the personal lives of these Tyrone players :o All you're ever going to get on this is hearsay. Ah they were all drinking. In Dungannon. No one was vaccinated. Then you have people saying they would have to have caught it before the ulster final. I doubt many know the ins and outs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 07:28:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 17, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
I don't know anyone who felt ill more than a day after being vaccinated, that's my family, her family, my friends and work colleagues..

I think you're telling fibs, weeks and months?

I was rough about 11 or 12 days after the first one.

Some boys seem to have a fair auld grip on the personal lives of these Tyrone players :o All you're ever going to get on this is hearsay. Ah they were all drinking. In Dungannon. No one was vaccinated. Then you have people saying they would have to have caught it before the ulster final. I doubt many know the ins and outs.
And the ins and outs are completely irrelevant as the GAA were never going to judge the postponement on them.

The speculation on the ins and outs is only required for faux outrage purposes.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40360100.html

Not really though. It is thought that the GAA will carry out an investigation into it when the championship is over.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 17, 2021, 08:44:19 PM
Worst punishment from HQ would be Tyrone not able to defend Sam in 2022. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Yes really though. It is just for people losing the run of themselves on social media pretending to be outraged at something that doesn't impact them in the slightest.

The GAA will not be able to investigate anything as they have absolutely no say on what their members do in their daily lives.

I've stated already that it is each players personal choice whether to take the vaccine or not. That's not the issue. But be prepared to deal with the consequences if there is a squad outbreak. And if Tyrone management voiced their concerns about taking the vaccine to squad members in contravention of generally accepted medical advice then that is absolutely an issue.

The front page of the Irish News today carried a story about a Kilcoo club member who was unvaccinated and in ICU imploring people to get vaccinated. Yet we have some posters on here outlining the risks of the vaccine in the name of county tribalism. If there is any positive to come out of the whole escapade hopefully it helps highlight that the inherent risks of catching Covid and getting ill are substantially higher than getting ill from taking the vaccine. But the medical evidence already existed to support this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Black Mamba on August 17, 2021, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Yes really though. It is just for people losing the run of themselves on social media pretending to be outraged at something that doesn't impact them in the slightest.

The GAA will not be able to investigate anything as they have absolutely no say on what their members do in their daily lives.

It's incredibly brazen on the part of Tyrone management to demand a two week delay in the name of player welfare, while not seeming to give a damn about player welfare with training and matches seemingly taking priority over players getting vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2021, 09:12:53 PM
The key word there is seemingly though. I would hope that's just a nonsense internet rumour.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Yes really though. It is just for people losing the run of themselves on social media pretending to be outraged at something that doesn't impact them in the slightest.

The GAA will not be able to investigate anything as they have absolutely no say on what their members do in their daily lives.

I've stated already that it is each players personal choice whether to take the vaccine or not. That's not the issue. But be prepared to deal with the consequences if there is a squad outbreak. And if Tyrone management voiced their concerns about taking the vaccine to squad members in contravention of generally accepted medical advice then that is absolutely an issue.

The front page of the Irish News today carried a story about a Kilcoo club member who was unvaccinated and in ICU imploring people to get vaccinated. Yet we have some posters on here outlining the risks of the vaccine in the name of county tribalism. If there is any positive to come out of the whole escapade hopefully it helps highlight that the inherent risks of catching Covid and getting ill are substantially higher than getting ill from taking the vaccine. But the medical evidence already existed to support this.

Point of order, the only one outlining the risks of the vaccine is Bennycake. And he isnt from Tyrone. He's from Armagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 09:14:24 PM
When you say, "be prepared to deal with the consequences if there is a squad break out", what do you mean?

They couldn't field a team for a couple of weeks. That is the consequences. The GAA gave them extra time. They didn't have to but they did so because it suited them to do so.

If the management was concerned about players taking the vaccine and voiced these concerns but allowed players to take it if they wished (and some did), what can the GAA do about that? Nothing.

Tyrone players/management might have done things that you, I and other people think are stupid but there is nothing to investigate as none of it is the business of the GAA.

What I mean is that the competition moves on without you and you should have no complaints. You fail to take steps to reduce the risk then you should accept that there may be consequences.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:03:29 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Yes really though. It is just for people losing the run of themselves on social media pretending to be outraged at something that doesn't impact them in the slightest.

The GAA will not be able to investigate anything as they have absolutely no say on what their members do in their daily lives.

I've stated already that it is each players personal choice whether to take the vaccine or not. That's not the issue. But be prepared to deal with the consequences if there is a squad outbreak. And if Tyrone management voiced their concerns about taking the vaccine to squad members in contravention of generally accepted medical advice then that is absolutely an issue.

The front page of the Irish News today carried a story about a Kilcoo club member who was unvaccinated and in ICU imploring people to get vaccinated. Yet we have some posters on here outlining the risks of the vaccine in the name of county tribalism. If there is any positive to come out of the whole escapade hopefully it helps highlight that the inherent risks of catching Covid and getting ill are substantially higher than getting ill from taking the vaccine. But the medical evidence already existed to support this.

Point of order, the only one outlining the risks of the vaccine is Bennycake. And he isnt from Tyrone. He's from Armagh.

🙈🙈 There is obviously another different anti vax agenda at play in that instance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2021, 09:14:24 PM
When you say, "be prepared to deal with the consequences if there is a squad break out", what do you mean?

They couldn't field a team for a couple of weeks. That is the consequences. The GAA gave them extra time. They didn't have to but they did so because it suited them to do so.

If the management was concerned about players taking the vaccine and voiced these concerns but allowed players to take it if they wished (and some did), what can the GAA do about that? Nothing.

Tyrone players/management might have done things that you, I and other people think are stupid but there is nothing to investigate as none of it is the business of the GAA.

What I mean is that the competition moves on without you and you should have no complaints. You fail to take steps to reduce the risk then you should accept that there may be consequences.
But the competition didn't move on without them. The GAA didn't want it to. There were no consequences.

I know, Tyrone played a game of chicken and won. But this issue will crop up again at club level in the next few months and administrators will be faced with a conundrum as clubs use the Tyrone case as a reference point.

Unless the GAA can provide some form of clarity as to what, if any, conditions will qualify for a postponement.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 10:37:19 PM
Is there many Kerry posters left on here? Ball Hopper and??? Kerry Mike and Mike Sheehy long gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...

I'd say Meyler will pick up O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford and McNamee or possibly Mckernan on the other one. I actually think we have got decent match ups for these lads.

Who is going to pick up McCurry, McShane, Donnelly and Canavan?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 11:18:29 PM
Don't forget Mckenna. Feel something big coming from him, especially in Croke.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ck on August 18, 2021, 09:26:40 AM
Was fully supportive of Tyrone getting extra time but that was before I learned that over half the squad have not been double vaccinated. The player in hospital had no vaccine. Surely on that basis the Tyrone management have massive questions to ask?

My own club made sure all players were vaccinated twice over the period of 2 weekends when they didn't have a match. Why could Tyrone not do the same?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
Be interesting to see the intensity these Covid players, that play, bring to the game and how long they can keep it up.

Friend of mine was saying a girl mid thirties she works with, who plays GAA and netball had caught Covid and the only way she can breath is standing up, she says it's like drowning, was anti vaccine.

Hopefully the team doctors/coach  put these lads through a rigorous fitness test to see if they are able to last a game. Player welfare should be top of their agenda
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 09:45:16 AM
Quote from: ck on August 18, 2021, 09:26:40 AM
Was fully supportive of Tyrone getting extra time but that was before I learned that over half the squad have not been double vaccinated. The player in hospital had no vaccine. Surely on that basis the Tyrone management have massive questions to ask?

My own club made sure all players were vaccinated twice over the period of 2 weekends when they didn't have a match. Why could Tyrone not do the same?

Your club made everyone get the vaccine?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 18, 2021, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...

I'd say Meyler will pick up O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford and McNamee or possibly Mckernan on the other one. I actually think we have got decent match ups for these lads.

Who is going to pick up McCurry, McShane, Donnelly and Canavan?

Never mind McShane or McCurry.

Whos going to track Morgan?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Hill is Blue on August 18, 2021, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 18, 2021, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...

I'd say Meyler will pick up O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford and McNamee or possibly Mckernan on the other one. I actually think we have got decent match ups for these lads.

Who is going to pick up McCurry, McShane, Donnelly and Canavan?

Never mind McShane or McCurry.

Whos going to track Morgan?

Whoever's going to track him should have a chat with Paddy Andrews.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 18, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
Be interesting to see the intensity these Covid players, that play, bring to the game and how long they can keep it up.

Friend of mine was saying a girl mid thirties she works with, who plays GAA and netball had caught Covid and the only way she can breath is standing up, she says it's like drowning, was anti vaccine.

Hopefully the team doctors/coach  put these lads through a rigorous fitness test to see if they are able to last a game. Player welfare should be top of their agenda
That, I'm afraid, is the problem and I don't think Tyrone have a hope iin hell of winning or even coming close.
Nothing personal here but I did have the virus and I know how much it can take out of anyone unfortunate to be caught by the little bastard.
The actual infection was unpleasant but the recovery period lasted weeks.I spent Easter weekend of last year in hospital. I was there only three days but, even to this day, I wouldnt say I have 100% recovered.
Even if they got a month's postponement I could see a Covid victim being fit enough to play any football never mind an AI semi.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 18, 2021, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 18, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
Be interesting to see the intensity these Covid players, that play, bring to the game and how long they can keep it up.

Friend of mine was saying a girl mid thirties she works with, who plays GAA and netball had caught Covid and the only way she can breath is standing up, she says it's like drowning, was anti vaccine.

Hopefully the team doctors/coach  put these lads through a rigorous fitness test to see if they are able to last a game. Player welfare should be top of their agenda
That, I'm afraid, is the problem and I don't think Tyrone have a hope iin hell of winning or even coming close.
Nothing personal here but I did have the virus and I know how much it can take out of anyone unfortunate to be caught by the little bastard.
The actual infection was unpleasant but the recovery period lasted weeks.I spent Easter weekend of last year in hospital. I was there only three days but, even to this day, I wouldnt say I have 100% recovered.
Even if they got a month's postponement I could see a Covid victim being fit enough to play any football never mind an AI semi.

My biggest fear for Tyrone is that the result could get very nasty. We know what that Kerry forward line are capable of doing if given time and space and if the lingering effects of Covid are still being felt by some players then this could quite easily be a double digit defeat.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 18, 2021, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 18, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
Be interesting to see the intensity these Covid players, that play, bring to the game and how long they can keep it up.

Friend of mine was saying a girl mid thirties she works with, who plays GAA and netball had caught Covid and the only way she can breath is standing up, she says it's like drowning, was anti vaccine.

Hopefully the team doctors/coach  put these lads through a rigorous fitness test to see if they are able to last a game. Player welfare should be top of their agenda
That, I'm afraid, is the problem and I don't think Tyrone have a hope iin hell of winning or even coming close.
Nothing personal here but I did have the virus and I know how much it can take out of anyone unfortunate to be caught by the little bastard.
The actual infection was unpleasant but the recovery period lasted weeks.I spent Easter weekend of last year in hospital. I was there only three days but, even to this day, I wouldnt say I have 100% recovered.
Even if they got a month's postponement I could see a Covid victim being fit enough to play any football never mind an AI semi.
Yeah it's a strange one. Then you hear of people getting it and being totally fine or at worst feel as though they've had a cold. Genuinely hope all the Tyrone players affected or as many as possible are back to full fitness by the time the game is played.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 18, 2021, 12:20:32 PM
Most important match up is who is on the older Clifford, he the guy making the big difference this year. Tyrone Midfield will suit Kerry, 4 big lads contesting balls, not taking advae that Moran has slowed down mobility wise.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 18, 2021, 12:22:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 18, 2021, 12:20:32 PM
Most important match up is who is on the older Clifford, he the guy making the big difference this year. Tyrone Midfield will suit Kerry, 4 big lads contesting balls, not taking advae that Moran has slowed down mobility wise.
I'd say Keegan or Oisin Mullin if he's back.

Sorry couldn't resist. Probably McKernan from Tyrone will get that job?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Corkscrew on August 18, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 18, 2021, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...

I'd say Meyler will pick up O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford and McNamee or possibly Mckernan on the other one. I actually think we have got decent match ups for these lads.

Who is going to pick up McCurry, McShane, Donnelly and Canavan?

Never mind McShane or McCurry.

Whos going to track Morgan?

Gavin White will put him back in his box.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 18, 2021, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 18, 2021, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...

I'd say Meyler will pick up O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford and McNamee or possibly Mckernan on the other one. I actually think we have got decent match ups for these lads.

Who is going to pick up McCurry, McShane, Donnelly and Canavan?

Never mind McShane or McCurry.

Whos going to track Morgan?

Did anyone keep track on how many scores he gifted to Kerry in the last meeting?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 18, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 18, 2021, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 18, 2021, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 17, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 17, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
So, who's marking David Clifford, the other Clifford and Sean O'Shea?
I'd go hampsey, Meyler, Mcnamee...

I'd say Meyler will pick up O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford and McNamee or possibly Mckernan on the other one. I actually think we have got decent match ups for these lads.

Who is going to pick up McCurry, McShane, Donnelly and Canavan?

Never mind McShane or McCurry.

Whos going to track Morgan?

Did anyone keep track on how many scores he gifted to Kerry in the last meeting?

Exactly. If tyrone try this tactic again then it will end in tears. Kerry have shown the intelligence to lob him previously.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 18, 2021, 01:54:09 PM
Who are the main man markers for kerry in defence? Back in the noughties they had Thomas and Mark o'Se, McCarthy, Moynihan, o'Mahony etc who were all big game players who would have been feared by opposition forwards. I've heard a lot of talk about Kerry's front men but has their defence been tested at all yet, bar the opening few mins v Cork?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 18, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 18, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
Be interesting to see the intensity these Covid players, that play, bring to the game and how long they can keep it up.

Friend of mine was saying a girl mid thirties she works with, who plays GAA and netball had caught Covid and the only way she can breath is standing up, she says it's like drowning, was anti vaccine.

Hopefully the team doctors/coach  put these lads through a rigorous fitness test to see if they are able to last a game. Player welfare should be top of their agenda
That, I'm afraid, is the problem and I don't think Tyrone have a hope iin hell of winning or even coming close.
Nothing personal here but I did have the virus and I know how much it can take out of anyone unfortunate to be caught by the little bastard.
The actual infection was unpleasant but the recovery period lasted weeks.I spent Easter weekend of last year in hospital. I was there only three days but, even to this day, I wouldnt say I have 100% recovered.
Even if they got a month's postponement I could see a Covid victim being fit enough to play any football never mind an AI semi.

Fair point, however, would be hoping that these younger lads (no offence) will be a little more resilient where this cursed affliction's concerned, and not subject to quite as much of the not inconsiderable after-effects.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 11:30:27 PM
Haven't been down in Dublin since the start of Covid. Any good options for hotels with a decent bar to save heading out anywhere else after the match. Normally do Skylon but don't mind if it's close to CP or city centre. Advice welcome?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 11:30:27 PM
Haven't been down in Dublin since the start of Covid. Any good options for hotels with a decent bar to save heading out anywhere else after the match. Normally do Skylon but don't mind if it's close to CP or city centre. Advice welcome?

Always hit Meaghers Pub, best craic, I'll be there on Sunday for the hurling
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 11:49:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 11:30:27 PM
Haven't been down in Dublin since the start of Covid. Any good options for hotels with a decent bar to save heading out anywhere else after the match. Normally do Skylon but don't mind if it's close to CP or city centre. Advice welcome?

Always hit Meaghers Pub, best craic, I'll be there on Sunday for the hurling

Yeah used to go there. But I'm kind of thinking how to keep things simple given current circumstances. Don't really want to get into booking tables in pubs or doing the usual pub crawls etc. Be good to just go back to bar in the hotel afterwards.
Do you have to book tables for pubs in Dublin at the minute or what's current regulations?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 11:49:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2021, 11:42:35 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 18, 2021, 11:30:27 PM
Haven't been down in Dublin since the start of Covid. Any good options for hotels with a decent bar to save heading out anywhere else after the match. Normally do Skylon but don't mind if it's close to CP or city centre. Advice welcome?

Always hit Meaghers Pub, best craic, I'll be there on Sunday for the hurling

Yeah used to go there. But I'm kind of thinking how to keep things simple given current circumstances. Don't really want to get into booking tables in pubs or doing the usual pub crawls etc. Be good to just go back to bar in the hotel afterwards.
Do you have to book tables for pubs in Dublin at the minute or what's current regulations?

Was in Carlingford for couple of days, one bar key us in without asking for vaccine card other did, Meaghers Pub has outside part
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: highorlow on August 19, 2021, 12:15:12 AM
QuoteHaven't been down in Dublin since the start of Covid. Any good options for hotels with a decent bar to save heading out anywhere else after the match. Normally do Skylon but don't mind if it's close to CP or city centre. Advice welcome?

Harcourt Hotel. LUAS then gets you to Connolly station, you know where you are then
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2021, 12:51:56 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

As long as the Tyrone medical set up and coaches don't put pressure on sick or unhealthy players to play, the players welfare is paramount
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 19, 2021, 06:03:13 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 10:37:19 PM
Is there many Kerry posters left on here? Ball Hopper and??? Kerry Mike and Mike Sheehy long gone.

I'd say I'm on my own here, but don't post as often these days.  I have, however, seen nearly all the games this year and am looking forward to a great semi-final.  I'd say Kerry are looking to win in an old-fashioned shoot-out.  It might resemble the 1980 semi-final, 4-15 to 4-10, only 5 points of a win - but there was ever only going to be one winner.

Gavin Whyte and Conor McKenna could battle each other in some serious speed-work up and down one wing.

Cathal McShane, if near full fitness, could take Matt Connor's Offaly role from 1980.

How will Tyrone handle Paudie Clifford?  David Clifford has taken quite the fall from Best on Planet to Second in Your Own House, but will still cause problems.  Sean O'Shea will convert every free plus another few from play...but I think Paul Geaney scoring goals is the key.   Stopping the other three from feeding him is the challenge.  The Kerry forwards are very adept at close passing in very congested quarters before someone finally has room to swing a leg at it and it goes over the bar - Killian Spillane gets his few points this way in each game.

The Kerry corner backs, O'Beaglaoich and Tom O'Sullivan are well able to take scores, so allowing them to wander upfield (even if chasing their man) could prove interesting on the scoreboard.

But the real difference could well be Tommy Walsh and the mark in the final 20 minutes.  He could easily pick up 5 or 6 points without breaking a sweat if the likes of Diarmuid O'Connor and other subs like Adrian Spillane can steer reasonably flighted balls toward Tommy.

Kerry backs won't dominate and will do well if they get a "reasonable" ranking - that should mean enough ball for the Kerry forwards to do their thing.

Could Kerry do the unthinkable...and use a scubadoir, expecting 4 or 5 forwards to score enough at the other end?  Uncle Pat would have some fun talking about that.

The other noticeable thing about the Kerry players is their individual strength this year - rarely is anyone knocked off the ball and all are well able to take and give a shoulder.

Areas of concern - kick out strategy never tested; can David Moran last 50-55 mins; subs in the backs very similar to starters and probably won't improve the overall defending by much - Foley/Morley, O'Beaglaoich/Paul Murphy, Breen/Sherwood are some examples.  Keeper never really tested under high balls.

I'm looking forward to a run and gun trackmeet, where whatever set of backs is less porous than the other will win.

But there will be great scoring and I'm really looking forward to the Whyte/McKenna speed challenges, especially when they get to the fourth and fifth sprint of each half.

I'll stick with the goodguys, 4-15 to 4-10.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

Better to read the article for yourself and not listen to Fr Jack's drunken ramblings
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tiempo on August 19, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

Better to read the article for yourself and not listen to Fr Jack's drunken ramblings

Can someone post it please. No doubt there is a reasonable debate to be had on that topic. How can 35 grant funded players be justified if you are gonna concede because a few front line men are ill (speculating here as the exact breakdown hasn't been put out). Don't the other 20+ get on with the job at hand and if needed pull a few in from the club scene to top up the bench? So you have a fella in mind for the 2022 season and you pull him in 6 months early, how's that any different to Ruairi Sludden or Colm McCullagh joining the panel mid season previously
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: tiempo on August 19, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

Better to read the article for yourself and not listen to Fr Jack's drunken ramblings

Can someone post it please. No doubt there is a reasonable debate to be had on that topic. How can 35 grant funded players be justified if you are gonna concede because a few front line men are ill (speculating here as the exact breakdown hasn't been put out). Don't the other 20+ get on with the job at hand and if needed pull a few in from the club scene to top up the bench? So you have a fella in mind for the 2022 season and you pull him in 6 months early, how's that any different to Ruairi Sludden or Colm McCullagh joining the panel mid season previously

I think someone returning to a panel is fair enough, but you would need to be careful with pulling younger "star" players in. The conditioning at senior level is a big step up. You can imagine the outcry if you pulled up a 20 year old and he got seriously injured.
I think it's a case of which was the easier and more sensible thing to do. Did it cause the GAA that much pain to move it back another week? I think this was the simple, fair and straightforward option.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 19, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

That article is from earlier in the week in the Irish News if it is the same one I am thinking of. I'm not sure if you actually read the article or simply seen the headline and just went off on a rant.

He basically said that the player welfare issue was one for Tyrone to deal with after assessing their players and that it wasn't the GAA's issue to solve. And when you stop to think of it logically, if the Tyrone management team relayed their concerns to players about the potential for getting ill for 2 weeks from taking the vaccine (as Fergal Logan appeared to suggest), then they shouldn't be looking to the GAA to assist with issues of player welfare when those unvaccinated players subsequently took ill from Covid.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tiempo on August 19, 2021, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: tiempo on August 19, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

Better to read the article for yourself and not listen to Fr Jack's drunken ramblings

Can someone post it please. No doubt there is a reasonable debate to be had on that topic. How can 35 grant funded players be justified if you are gonna concede because a few front line men are ill (speculating here as the exact breakdown hasn't been put out). Don't the other 20+ get on with the job at hand and if needed pull a few in from the club scene to top up the bench? So you have a fella in mind for the 2022 season and you pull him in 6 months early, how's that any different to Ruairi Sludden or Colm McCullagh joining the panel mid season previously

I think someone returning to a panel is fair enough, but you would need to be careful with pulling younger "star" players in. The conditioning at senior level is a big step up. You can imagine the outcry if you pulled up a 20 year old and he got seriously injured.
I think it's a case of which was the easier and more sensible thing to do. Did it cause the GAA that much pain to move it back another week? I think this was the simple, fair and straightforward option.

Jes ye wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if ye took that approach to life. So Tyrone pull 3 or 4 star "23yos" and Colm Cav and Padraig McNulty back into the panel. For me that's easier than a fixture reschedule impacting tens of thousands of people.

Sorry I know its easy to be facetious, but just trying to be devils advocate. Anyway my prediction is this plays out again in the Tyrone club champ and the Tyrone CB who would stand by the county not fielding in an AI semi final turn around and tell clubs to get on with it or be put out of the competition... time will tell.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2021, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: tiempo on August 19, 2021, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: tiempo on August 19, 2021, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

Better to read the article for yourself and not listen to Fr Jack's drunken ramblings

Can someone post it please. No doubt there is a reasonable debate to be had on that topic. How can 35 grant funded players be justified if you are gonna concede because a few front line men are ill (speculating here as the exact breakdown hasn't been put out). Don't the other 20+ get on with the job at hand and if needed pull a few in from the club scene to top up the bench? So you have a fella in mind for the 2022 season and you pull him in 6 months early, how's that any different to Ruairi Sludden or Colm McCullagh joining the panel mid season previously

I think someone returning to a panel is fair enough, but you would need to be careful with pulling younger "star" players in. The conditioning at senior level is a big step up. You can imagine the outcry if you pulled up a 20 year old and he got seriously injured.
I think it's a case of which was the easier and more sensible thing to do. Did it cause the GAA that much pain to move it back another week? I think this was the simple, fair and straightforward option.

Jes ye wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if ye took that approach to life. So Tyrone pull 3 or 4 star "23yos" and Colm Cav and Padraig McNulty back into the panel. For me that's easier than a fixture reschedule impacting tens of thousands of people.

Sorry I know its easy to be facetious, but just trying to be devils advocate. Anyway my prediction is this plays out again in the Tyrone club champ and the Tyrone CB who would stand by the county not fielding in an AI semi final turn around and tell clubs to get on with it or be put out of the competition... time will tell.
Each to their own, but a week delay to me seems the simplest choice without downgrading the game itself to a bit of a farce.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 19, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
If Tyrone have any advantage it is that they have a game in Croke Park under their belts and that Kerry may have had a lot of momentum broken with the interminably long wait for a match. Players get into a rhythm of playing every week or two weeks so I'd imagine that the 5 week wait for a match will be very disruptive to them.

A lot depends on what side Tyrone are able to field. If they are near full strength and able to play with the level of aggression and intensity required for 70 minutes and they get a few breaks on the day then who knows, anything can happen in a once off match. Kerry will now be expected to win the All Ireland by their own supporters so there will be a different sort of pressure on them to win. Similar to Mayo, it is probably all about staying in the game for as long as possible for Tyrone and hoping that if it gets tight in the last 10 minutes that they can show greater desire and out muscle Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 19, 2021, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

StPatsAbu is a tube alright
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2021, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
If Tyrone have any advantage it is that they have a game in Croke Park under their belts and that Kerry may have had a lot of momentum broken with the interminably long wait for a match. Players get into a rhythm of playing every week or two weeks so I'd imagine that the 5 week wait for a match will be very disruptive to them.

A lot depends on what side Tyrone are able to field. If they are near full strength and able to play with the level of aggression and intensity required for 70 minutes and they get a few breaks on the day then who knows, anything can happen in a once off match. Kerry will now be expected to win the All Ireland by their own supporters so there will be a different sort of pressure on them to win. Similar to Mayo, it is probably all about staying in the game for as long as possible for Tyrone and hoping that if it gets tight in the last 10 minutes that they can show greater desire and out muscle Kerry.

If twenty players have been affected by Covid then the last ten minutes will be in favour of Kerry surely?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 19, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2021, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 19, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
If Tyrone have any advantage it is that they have a game in Croke Park under their belts and that Kerry may have had a lot of momentum broken with the interminably long wait for a match. Players get into a rhythm of playing every week or two weeks so I'd imagine that the 5 week wait for a match will be very disruptive to them.

A lot depends on what side Tyrone are able to field. If they are near full strength and able to play with the level of aggression and intensity required for 70 minutes and they get a few breaks on the day then who knows, anything can happen in a once off match. Kerry will now be expected to win the All Ireland by their own supporters so there will be a different sort of pressure on them to win. Similar to Mayo, it is probably all about staying in the game for as long as possible for Tyrone and hoping that if it gets tight in the last 10 minutes that they can show greater desire and out muscle Kerry.

If twenty players have been affected by Covid then the last ten minutes will be in favour of Kerry surely?

We don't know the breakdown between players who were ill with Covid symptoms, players who tested positive without symptoms and players who were just forced to isolate. However I would like to think that the number of players who were ill with symptoms was nowhere near 20.

After that it depends how many of them are likely to feature in the match as some players who took ill could be part of an extended panel. So I think that 20 is likely to be a gross exaggeration.

However, I'm sure it is likely that at least some players will still be suffering from the lingering effects of Covid and may not even feature in the match but that is what Tyrone's medical team will have to assess. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: joemamas on August 19, 2021, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 19, 2021, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

StPatsAbu is a tube alright

correct and one of Ten aliases he is using including;

The Greatest
Honeyvalle
whodat
CKredhand
Kerryforsam
macker15

many more.

why regular good posters still take the bait and answer him confuses me.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armamike on August 19, 2021, 03:25:54 PM
And add a couple of under and over the bars to that list.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: sam03/05 on August 19, 2021, 04:34:53 PM
Why would this be 3:30 on a Saturday
Surely it should be an evening throw in for TV audience etc
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 05:19:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2021, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 19, 2021, 04:34:53 PM
Why would this be 3:30 on a Saturday
Surely it should be an evening throw in for TV audience etc
I think you've had it put back long enough.

;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 19, 2021, 06:06:21 PM
At 3 30 to enable the Kerrys to get the train home and start preparing for the Final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2021, 06:12:39 PM
Is Clonliffe College still open for parking?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 19, 2021, 06:30:39 PM
Quote from: joemamas on August 19, 2021, 03:05:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 19, 2021, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 19, 2021, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 12:46:14 AM
Cahir O'Kane has suggested that regardless of player welfare concerns Tyrone should have fielded this weekend whether players were suffering from Covid or not. Jesus wept, pray such fcuktards get removed from active society

What a tube - trying to make a name for himself by being controversial.

StPatsAbu is a tube alright

correct and one of Ten aliases he is using including;

The Greatest
Honeyvalle
whodat
CKredhand
Kerryforsam
macker15

many more.

why regular good posters still take the bait and answer him confuses me.

Not sure why you're  including me in that list. I've been a member for years but rarely post. If I do it's nothing controversial or a wind up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 08:25:10 AM
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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 23, 2021, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 08:25:10 AM
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/if-they-had-10-hamstring-injuries-they-would-have-had-to-play-it-tyrones-extension-doesnt-sit-well-with-everyone-234600 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/if-they-had-10-hamstring-injuries-they-would-have-had-to-play-it-tyrones-extension-doesnt-sit-well-with-everyone-234600)

They hate us
They hate us
They hate us

And that's the way we like it, we like it, we like it.

Oh woahhh woaahh woaahhhh....

Just shows how dumb the like of Parkinson is with rubbish like that. Injuries and pandemic are the exact same sure, aye right.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 23, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2021, 09:26:02 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 08:25:10 AM
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/if-they-had-10-hamstring-injuries-they-would-have-had-to-play-it-tyrones-extension-doesnt-sit-well-with-everyone-234600 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/if-they-had-10-hamstring-injuries-they-would-have-had-to-play-it-tyrones-extension-doesnt-sit-well-with-everyone-234600)

They hate us
They hate us
They hate us

And that's the way we like it, we like it, we like it.

Oh woahhh woaahh woaahhhh....

Just shows how dumb the like of Parkinson is with rubbish like that. Injuries and pandemic are the exact same sure, aye right.

No no he's dead right

Actually I hear there's a player in ICU on oxygen after he caught a contagious hamstring injury
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
An upset could be on the cards here. I reckon there won't be much in it either way and if it's tight entering the last few minutes we'll see how good Kerry are then.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
An upset could be on the cards here. I reckon there won't be much in it either way and if it's tight entering the last few minutes we'll see how good Kerry are then.

Do you think the Covid lads are at full pelt? already? I thought going by the reports there were ones hospitalised.. This would be a Lazarus like performance, or someone was telling porkies  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 23, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 23, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
An upset could be on the cards here. I reckon there won't be much in it either way and if it's tight entering the last few minutes we'll see how good Kerry are then.

Do you think the Covid lads are at full pelt? already? I thought going by the reports there were ones hospitalised.. This would be a Lazarus like performance, or someone was telling porkies  ;D

If Tyrone put in a big performance there will be big questions around the actual severity of the Covid situation. Were they to actually win I think social media would explode, it be nearly worth it just to see the reaction.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 23, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
If Tyrone don't put in a big performance, then what on earth was the point in postponing the match?

It has been moved to give them a chance. That's the only reason why. If people can't get their heads around this then they shouldn't be allowed to speak.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
If Tyrone don't put in a big performance, then what on earth was the point in postponing the match?

It has been moved to give them a chance. That's the only reason why. If people can't get their heads around this then they shouldn't be allowed to speak.

Well, it was postponed for a week, then that wasn't enough so another two weeks, that's 3 weeks and based on over 20 players having covid then I'd say that wasn't near enough time if believing what the Tyrone camp were saying.

Lets hope they don't put some lad on who's not full recovered, player welfare and all that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 23, 2021, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
If Tyrone don't put in a big performance, then what on earth was the point in postponing the match?

It has been moved to give them a chance. That's the only reason why. If people can't get their heads around this then they shouldn't be allowed to speak.

It was moved to give their ill players more recovery and preparation time.

In my book Tyrone had a minimal chance of winning this match before the Covid outbreak anyway and whilst there has been much talk about how it has affected Tyrone we don't know what impact the long break will have had on Kerry. I can only imagine the recriminations in kerry were they to lose this match after they offered Tyrone the additional week. The knives would be out.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
If Tyrone don't put in a big performance, then what on earth was the point in postponing the match?

It has been moved to give them a chance. That's the only reason why. If people can't get their heads around this then they shouldn't be allowed to speak.
Some people want to ensure they can have a moan either way. If Tyrone flop, what was the point in delaying for an extra week and holding things up. If they do well, they were obviously fabricating the COVID stories. You'd nearly think some had an agenda.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2021, 12:43:48 PM
If Tyrone don't put in a big performance, then what on earth was the point in postponing the match?

It has been moved to give them a chance. That's the only reason why. If people can't get their heads around this then they shouldn't be allowed to speak.

Well, it was postponed for a week, then that wasn't enough so another two weeks, that's 3 weeks and based on over 20 players having covid then I'd say that wasn't near enough time if believing what the Tyrone camp were saying.

Lets hope they don't put some lad on who's not full recovered, player welfare and all that

No, it was moved a week, then another week. Not another two weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:12:31 PM
Tyrone are in a difficult position. If they lose after the extra weeks rest then it will be said that they are just not good enough.

If they win then they will be accused of using covid as an excuse to get extra time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/r4vr15N/E9-Kirun-WYAw8-HZb.jpg)

We've no chance now anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 23, 2021, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.

Crucial that Canavan got the extra week.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on August 23, 2021, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Don't really think that you are neutral though MR!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 04:11:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

They were missing 5 players for the Ulster final. So no. It wasn't really handy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: In hiding on August 23, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
Is there a game happening on Saturday ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 23, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
Is there a game happening on Saturday ?

There sure is. I'm really looking forward to Saturday now with the minor game on and the semi final. Great day for Tyrone GAA.

As for Tyrone's chances, let's be honest they were never great. Kerry gave us a hiding in the league and while I don't think we were ever in danger of that being repeated we were always going in as heavy underdogs. This covid situation has been a nightmare for everyone involved, Kerry (fair play to them for being accommodating) having to wait so long since the Munster final and Tyrone for the fact that training has been totally disrupted and there's a chance boys might not be at 100%, although that's of set to some degree by the fact other lads like McKenna and McShane have had more time to get up to speed.

This is the first year I can remember watching Tyrone where I can honestly say we've had the rub of the green from refs in all the games. Obviously a few big decisions have gone against us but that happens and on balance I think we've had more go for us. We're absolutely going to need that to continue to happen this weekend for us to have any chance at all. I'm worried Gough will be overly fussy about our defending and be card happy. We're screwed if so, hard enough to compete with Kerry with 15 men on the field, we can't afford any black or red cards at any point.

Do Tyrone have a chance? Of course they do. On their day they are more than capable of beating a fancied Kerry team. In 2008 we were total outsiders and we were facing a massive threat from brilliant Kerry forwards. We managed to nullify them then and it's possible it can happen. Tyrone do have to firepower to cause Kerry serious problems too if they can keep solid at the back. We just need to get plenty of really good quick ball in and perhaps for once we can not butcher every goal chance we get.

Not having beat a Kerry, Dublin or Mayo team since 2008 is a big monkey to shake off our back. It's a tall order but can be done.

Prediction

Kerry to be about 5 up at half time, Tyrone to come back at them but someone to make an idiotic challenge and get a black or red then Kerry to pull up comfortably in the end. I hope I'm wrong!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 23, 2021, 04:11:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

They were missing 5 players for the Ulster final. So no. It wasn't really handy.

Yes I'm having a jovial dig here .

But if Tyrone had have called Covid as a reason to not play the ulster final or ask for an extension then there wasn't mechanism in place to allow that, so the cynic is thinking maybe they just thought we've enough to beat Monaghan with these 5 missing ( not all starters mind you) then we'll ask for it at the semifinal stage?

Bitta Kerry  'hourism' ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 23, 2021, 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 23, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
Is there a game happening on Saturday ?

There sure is. I'm really looking forward to Saturday now with the minor game on and the semi final. Great day for Tyrone GAA.

As for Tyrone's chances, let's be honest they were never great. Kerry gave us a hiding in the league and while I don't think we were ever in danger of that being repeated we were always going in as heavy underdogs. This covid situation has been a nightmare for everyone involved, Kerry (fair play to them for being accommodating) having to wait so long since the Munster final and Tyrone for the fact that training has been totally disrupted and there's a chance boys might not be at 100%, although that's of set to some degree by the fact other lads like McKenna and McShane have had more time to get up to speed.

This is the first year I can remember watching Tyrone where I can honestly say we've had the rub of the green from refs in all the games. Obviously a few big decisions have gone against us but that happens and on balance I think we've had more go for us. We're absolutely going to need that to continue to happen this weekend for us to have any chance at all. I'm worried Gough will be overly fussy about our defending and be card happy. We're screwed if so, hard enough to compete with Kerry with 15 men on the field, we can't afford any black or red cards at any point.

Do Tyrone have a chance? Of course they do. On their day they are more than capable of beating a fancied Kerry team. In 2008 we were total outsiders and we were facing a massive threat from brilliant Kerry forwards. We managed to nullify them then and it's possible it can happen. Tyrone do have to firepower to cause Kerry serious problems too if they can keep solid at the back. We just need to get plenty of really good quick ball in and perhaps for once we can not butcher every goal chance we get.

Not having beat a Kerry, Dublin or Mayo team since 2008 is a big monkey to shake off our back. It's a tall order but can be done.

Prediction

Kerry to be about 5 up at half time, Tyrone to come back at them but someone to make an idiotic challenge and get a black or red then Kerry to pull up comfortably in the end. I hope I'm wrong!!!!

Coldrick reffing
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 07:49:07 PM
Ah of course, the Meath connection threw my memory thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Another great thing this year is that I've been able to watch every single Tyrone game without once having to put on RTE. My God watching football without having to listen to the hyper negative punditry or the likes of McStay on Dolan spoofing for the duration is a pleasure. The BBC have had great coverage as always of the Ulster championship and I'll switch to Sky for the semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 09:03:44 PM
Is there any word on the Tyrone camp? You'd imagine they would have a fair idea of any definite no's at this stage. So hoping no news is good news.
Really starting to look forward to it now. Kerry clear favourites but we know anything can happen. Be great to see the minors win to lift the crowd.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information? 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 24, 2021, 09:58:54 AM
Colm Parkinson mentioned on his podcast that the whole Mayo, Dublin and Kerry panels were vaccinated. I'm not sure where he heard that or if it's true.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 24, 2021, 10:06:30 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information.

Yeah I have no idea regarding the other squads and numbers. That said I still think it was stupid not to have all possible vaccinated regardless of the football.
But I just know the one case I'm familiar with and it's not a healthcare/ frontline worker, is vaccinated but still had some symptoms. So Lenny statement just didn't stack up but typical of the misinformation that gets thrown around.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: larryin89 on August 24, 2021, 10:18:59 AM
Aragh fook the vaccination talk . Have Tyrone any chance here or will I cash out on betting mayo v Tyrone final ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 24, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information.

Whats the point of young fit healthy lads getting vaccinated. They are at a risk of one in one million from dying ( a fact) whilst they are at risk of getting a significant reaction from the vaccine of one in tten thousand. They aren't in the at risk category of obese or old where the average death rate is 81.5 yrs. outside of having an underlying health condition where they should take., the question is why should anyone take it. Its now accepted your equally transmissible not vaccinated as vaccinated. So why should a young fit lad do it 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Are you a medical professional or is this something you just read on the internet?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2021, 10:25:14 AM
I'm predicting something along the lines of Tyrone 3.10 - 5.12 Kerry. I don't think it'll suit either side to rely on their defence for a win, but Kerry's midfield superiority should tip the balance in their favour.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 24, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
Kerry to win by 12-15 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on August 24, 2021, 10:48:06 AM
Reporting a clean bill of health now in Tyrone, con job id say.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
"Premier league footballers aren't stupid".

Would you feck away off.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 24, 2021, 10:55:22 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-given-all-clear-for-saturdays-all-ireland-sfc-semi-final-showdown-with-kerry-40781280.html

Good to see that all of the Tyrone players are fully recovered anyway. Hopefully they are all available to play some part in the game but I would have my doubts. At the very minimum their preparation will have been badly disrupted but I think it is a free throw of the dice for Tyrone at this stage. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 24, 2021, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 24, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
"Premier league footballers aren't stupid".

Would you feck away off.

Stupid for a footballer would be injecting themselves with an experimental jab and possibly ending up with myocarditis.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 24, 2021, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information.

Most of the other big teams have been responsible and got vaccinated

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 24, 2021, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 24, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information.

Whats the point of young fit healthy lads getting vaccinated. They are at a risk of one in one million from dying ( a fact) whilst they are at risk of getting a significant reaction from the vaccine of one in tten thousand. They aren't in the at risk category of obese or old where the average death rate is 81.5 yrs. outside of having an underlying health condition where they should take., the question is why should anyone take it. Its now accepted your equally transmissible not vaccinated as vaccinated. So why should a young fit lad do it 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Are you a medical professional or is this something you just read on the internet?

https://www.covid19assembly.org/doctors-open-letter/ (https://www.covid19assembly.org/doctors-open-letter/)

Yellowcard educate yourself

So it was something you read on the internet then, I thought so.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 24, 2021, 12:22:39 PM
The  university of GAAboard virologists are going strong today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 24, 2021, 12:53:08 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 24, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information.

Whats the point of young fit healthy lads getting vaccinated. They are at a risk of one in one million from dying ( a fact) whilst they are at risk of getting a significant reaction from the vaccine of one in tten thousand. They aren't in the at risk category of obese or old where the average death rate is 81.5 yrs. outside of having an underlying health condition where they should take., the question is why should anyone take it. Its now accepted your equally transmissible not vaccinated as vaccinated. So why should a young fit lad do it 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Are you a medical professional or is this something you just read on the internet?

https://www.covid19assembly.org/doctors-open-letter/ (https://www.covid19assembly.org/doctors-open-letter/)

Yellowcard educate yourself

Lol what a load of dung. 133 names was all they could get. Meanwhile the rest of the 30,000 GPs, 650,000 nurses and god knows how many paramedics in the UK are happy to carry on.

Also, take it to the covid thread. This is the Tyrone v kerry thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 24, 2021, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 24, 2021, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 24, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 23, 2021, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2021, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 23, 2021, 01:26:23 PM
From a neutral point of view, with not a care in the world who wins the game, I just find it difficult that 20 players will be physically up to a championship level if they have been isolating or coming down with some symptoms of covid..

Was handy that they got covid at the semifinal stage and not before it, as there was no rule to have and extension due to covid problems

Wasn't that handy as they had covid in the ulster final

Heard from an ex Tyrone player that McShane, canavan and McKenna are well over their injuries now and are flying in training. Handy that extra 2 weeks.
You never answered my question about where you got the following information.

Quote from: lenny on August 17, 2021, 05:36:30 PM

Agree with that. My understanding is that the tyrone players affected were not vaccinated.

The reason I ask, is that I know for a fact first hand it's untrue so keen to hear of your source?

I didn't say that none of them had been vaccinated but the vast majority were not. That's what I was told. Are you saying different?
I'm saying the only player I know, that was affected, was vaccinated. So that doesn't tally with your statement. So I'm thinking where you got your information?
I took from Logan's interview that anyone in healthcare/care industry got vaccinated, there were a small few with particular family circumstances that got the vaccine and that most/all of the rest did not.
I would guess that it was similar for most panels while still involved.

It is easy to criticize Tyrone for not being vaccinated, but you'd need to compare it to vaccination rates in the other 3 semi finalists to be fair. And nobody has that information.

Most of the other big teams have been responsible and got vaccinated

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40360751.html

It's not a county teams place to tell players what to do. I just hope that Tyrone didn't advise not to get it.

That said, I think it obvious your initial post was nonsense. You'd no idea who was vaccinated and who wasn't. You were trying to have a dig at Tyrone. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2021, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 24, 2021, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 24, 2021, 10:49:08 AM
"Premier league footballers aren't stupid".

Would you feck away off.
He has a point. I mean Ashley Cole & Raheem Sterling would only be marginally less qualified on these things than the medical professionals.

It is entirely possible to believe that footballers are thick as shit, while also believing that most doctors are no more qualified than them to have their opinions on epidemiology taken seriously. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on August 24, 2021, 01:55:38 PM
Humour has it one Tyrone player lost a stone and a half. Karl Darlow, the Newcastle FC goalkeeper lost two stone in 5 days.

I would have liked Tyrone to have come out strongly for vaccination. Vaccinations, in general, have been a massive force for good and for progress in recent human history.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 24, 2021, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 01:47:02 PM
Yellowcard the reason these are on the internet is because any other view which is based on science is being suppressed on main stream media unfortunately. Btw I am not anti vac. I ensured my elderly parents got it as they are in the at risk category. Stifling debate is a different thing. Redhand try and think for yourself and not he brainwashed by the constant narrative that  has been fed to us for 18 months. Lockdowns don't work. Sweden has proved that. No lockdown or masks there, their death ratio is the same as other European countries. Take a vaccination and protect the eldery and at risk category.... Now we know your equally transmissionable vaccinated or not. Its clear vac minimises potential death for the old, obese and those with underlying health conditions. Thats it.

Unto Saturdays game. Kerry raging hot favourites in the bookies. Just cannot see a Tyrone win as much it would make my summer from an fellow Ulster gael

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?r=US&IR=T

You mean Sweden which has 10 times the death rate of its neighbouring countries? So the country which doesn't lock down has 10 times the death rate of similar countries which do lock down and you say it proves lockdowns don't work? Sweden is the proof that lockdowns do work.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Taylor on August 24, 2021, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on August 24, 2021, 01:47:02 PM
Yellowcard the reason these are on the internet is because any other view which is based on science is being suppressed on main stream media unfortunately. Btw I am not anti vac. I ensured my elderly parents got it as they are in the at risk category. Stifling debate is a different thing. Redhand try and think for yourself and not he brainwashed by the constant narrative that  has been fed to us for 18 months. Lockdowns don't work. Sweden has proved that. No lockdown or masks there, their death ratio is the same as other European countries. Take a vaccination and protect the eldery and at risk category.... Now we know your equally transmissionable vaccinated or not. Its clear vac minimises potential death for the old, obese and those with underlying health conditions. Thats it.

Unto Saturdays game. Kerry raging hot favourites in the bookies. Just cannot see a Tyrone win as much it would make my summer from an fellow Ulster gael

Would love to know the facts behind this statement?

Or even the links to the statement
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 04:13:16 PM
Couple of days from an All-Ireland semi final and people are using this thread to debate vaccine efficacy and whether Sweden's death rate is high or low.

FML can that shit not be talked about elsewhere!?? It in no way related to anything for this game at this stage.


So Logan reckons a final assessment on some players recovery wont be made until as late as Thurs or Friday night. If we knew which players were down and to what extent we might be able to come up with some sort of a predicted team and then a decent prediction as to how the game will go but it's really hard to say now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 04:22:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 04:13:16 PM
Couple of days from an All-Ireland semi final and people are using this thread to debate vaccine efficacy and whether Sweden's death rate is high or low.

FML can that shit not be talked about elsewhere!?? It in no way related to anything for this game at this stage.


So Logan reckons a final assessment on some players recovery wont be made until as late as Thurs or Friday night. If we knew which players were down and to what extent we might be able to come up with some sort of a predicted team and then a decent prediction as to how the game will go but it's really hard to say now.

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Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 04:40:50 PM
Not sure what's so hard to believe about that...

If players are borderline due to any injury or illness you'd want the management team to give them as much time as possible to prove their fitness, especially if they are key players.


I'm sure they have more or less the starting team fixed at this point with maybe a few players where they're still debatable. Pretty standard no?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 24, 2021, 05:53:52 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 04:40:50 PM
Not sure what's so hard to believe about that...

If players are borderline due to any injury or illness you'd want the management team to give them as much time as possible to prove their fitness, especially if they are key players.


I'm sure they have more or less the starting team fixed at this point with maybe a few players where they're still debatable. Pretty standard no?

Probably hard for a Derry man to understand as by the time e it gets to the big games when injuries can occur Derry are already knocked 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 24, 2021, 11:33:35 PM
All codding aside, Kerry are going to win this game quite comfortably.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 25, 2021, 07:47:34 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 25, 2021, 07:54:54 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 25, 2021, 07:47:34 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean
If you put 10 quid on Kerry-7, you need Kerry to win by 8 points or more and you win another 10 (I.e. get 20 back)
If Kerry win by 7 or less (or draw or Tyrone win) then you lose your stake.

So previous poster thinks it's nailed on that Kerry will win by at least 8 points, but he hasn't said how much he himself is gambling
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 25, 2021, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2021, 07:54:54 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 25, 2021, 07:47:34 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean
If you put 10 quid on Kerry-7, you need Kerry to win by 8 points or more and you win another 10 (I.e. get 20 back)
If Kerry win by 7 or less (or draw or Tyrone win) then you lose your stake.

So previous poster thinks it's nailed on that Kerry will win by at least 8 points, but he hasn't said how much he himself is gambling

Yeah i think it would be interesting to see how much that guy is betting on that outcome given the fact he is so confident. Throw up a screen shot of your bet slip there screenexile. Let's see how much you have filled your boots.

I'm still not convinced by this Kerry team, what have they achieved to justify the hype? Maybe they are unbeatable but they are yet to fully prove it. I still think that their defence is weak - Tyrone have players to give the Kerry forwards a hard time (Hampsey on Clifford, McNamee on Paudie and Meyler on Sean O'Se. Who will Kerry be putting on a fitter McShane (They couldn't handle him in 2019), Donnelly, if he plays inside, Canavan and McCurry? Do they have 4 four good man markers? For Screenexiles mortgage and future financial security, i really hope so.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 25, 2021, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2021, 07:54:54 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 25, 2021, 07:47:34 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Not really a betting person but what does that mean
If you put 10 quid on Kerry-7, you need Kerry to win by 8 points or more and you win another 10 (I.e. get 20 back)
If Kerry win by 7 or less (or draw or Tyrone win) then you lose your stake.

So previous poster thinks it's nailed on that Kerry will win by at least 8 points, but he hasn't said how much he himself is gambling

Thanks for the info. Makes sense. Would be surprised if kerry would by that large of a margin but time will tell.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 25, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

Armagh is at 11 on this list, only a decimal point different to Cork. They were in 7th place in July, I'm not sure why they dropped so much in a two point defeat.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 25, 2021, 10:30:13 AM
It's not the man marking that would overly cause me concern, it's our ability to close down the runners coming through. We don't have a strong "6" and at times have left huge gapping spaces down the middle and I think Kerry will target that. That's why I expect Kerry to get goals. And unfortunately unless we do the same, I think we will struggle to stay with them. But I dearly hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 25, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

Armagh is at 11 on this list, only a decimal point different to Cork. They were in 7th place in July, I'm not sure why they dropped so much in a two point defeat.

Assuming it uses a formula similar to world golf rankings, whereby the value of winning against someone above you is a multiplier of beating someone behind you, then Armagh really can't expect to be in the top 10 until they've done that a few times.

Cork's win v Kerry last year would surely still be worth more than beating Monaghan in the national league.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: stiffler on August 25, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Will there be tickets released on general sale for this ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 25, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
There were some on ticketmaster last week but sold out very quick as you'd expect.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2021, 02:38:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
There were some on ticketmaster last week but sold out very quick as you'd expect.

Why wouldn't those tickets be solely allocated for clubs only? Are there many Tyrone supporters that are not associated with clubs?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
Assuming it uses a formula similar to world golf rankings, whereby the value of winning against someone above you is a multiplier of beating someone behind you, then Armagh really can't expect to be in the top 10 until they've done that a few times.

Cork's win v Kerry last year would surely still be worth more than beating Monaghan in the national league.

Correct. I can't remember the exact formula but say Tyrone beat someone who are >5 places below them then they wont expect to pick up any points, however should they lose to someone way below them then they get hammered in the points and the other team get a massive jump. You're only rewarded for beating teams above you or close to you.

This year in the championship Mayo wont have gained anything from beating Sligo and Leitrim but the win against Galway and Dublin will have helped them.

Likewise Armagh beat Antrim and would have gained nothing but lost to Monaghan so would have gone down slightly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 03:50:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?

D1 team, beat Monaghan and drew with Donegal in the league, would still have gained good points last year from promotion (iirc) and gained points from those two games in the league. With no back door it's very hard for teams to move much. Meath and Kildare probably sprung ahead of them because they got promoted this year beating teams around them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 25, 2021, 04:09:38 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list… Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone… verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?

Why Meath, Cork are on the list is what you should be asking.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 25, 2021, 04:34:42 PM
I actually looked at the list on Boards.ie
Link here: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057173179/football-ranking-table/p35

Armagh are at 11 on the list.  The reasoning for Armagh's positioning is explained on the following page.  They had been at 7 on the table in early July, which I would argue is a better reflection of where they are at now.  They secured their place in Division 1 (playing four games instead of the usual 7). On that basis, 7th would seem about right.  However, they dropped points on this ranking following defeat to Monaghan because at that point Monaghan were below them in the table and Armagh were expected to beat them.   Arising from that Armagh lost 3.42 ranking points while Monaghan received the same.  It's quite a big swing for one game and would place Armagh at upper mid-table Division 2. But is it that unrealistic?

If Armagh were to play Cork, Meath or Kildare tomorrow, I would suggest that they would have more than a 50/50 chance of beating all three - but you couldn't depend on them. Only for their long standing poor record against Galway, I would suggest that they would beat them too, but again many doubts. All of these teams are Div 2 (coming or going).

So, I would say, the ranking is slightly un-reflective of Armagh's season and there is a kneejerk element to the loss of one game that really was a toin-coss beforehand. It cannot take account of other information, such as the fact that Armagh lost their goalie before the game. 

All that shows is that the tool isn't perfect.  It can't deal with qualitative information only the performance on the scoreboard and league table.  On the basis of that, I think its a damn fine piece of work.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 04:40:48 PM
Honestly, all the talk of Armagh is worthwhile and I agree they probably should be a little higher. I think the fact there's 10 points between Tyrone and Donegal is a bigger shock given Donegal were most peoples pick from Ulster this year to put up a challenge. I think if it was Donegal Vs Kerry this weekend Donegal wouldn't be getting written off to the same extent we are.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: An Watcher on August 25, 2021, 05:52:51 PM
Out of interest, what price were Tyrone heading that 2003 All-Ireland semi?  Underdogs no doubt but maybe not as big an underdog as this weekend?  I remember standing at half time finding it hard to believe we were so far ahead
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on August 25, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 25, 2021, 05:52:51 PM
Out of interest, what price were Tyrone heading that 2003 All-Ireland semi?  Underdogs no doubt but maybe not as big an underdog as this weekend?  I remember standing at half time finding it hard to believe we were so far ahead

Yes. Very surprising odds. Tyrone absolutely left the game behind them in 2019. Kerry have probably improved since, but so have Tyrone.

I suppose it's more of a reflection on the bets being placed than the actual odds.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 25, 2021, 08:22:02 PM
Have Tyrone improved? I think they've went back a good bit.

Tyrone in 03 were a top team whereas I think they're maybe not quite at that level here. That said I don't think Kerry are as good as 03 either.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 08:22:59 PM
Ach sure if you listen to any GAA coverage on Newtalk, or on any of the main podcasts you'd be forgiven for thinking this game was played a few weeks ago and Kerry beat us up a stick. Was listening to Newstalk one of the Sundays before the Dublin Mayo game and for the entirity of the bit I listened to for about 20 minutes they never even mentioned Tyrone, it was just who was going to play Kerry in the final, would Mayo or Dublin have a better chance against them etc. Very dismissive. Like most I put Kerry as favourites, but not by such a margin that the game isn't worth even playing. I dont even think Kerry have a significantly better panel that Tyrone tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 25, 2021, 08:22:02 PM
Have Tyrone improved? I think they've went back a good bit.

Tyrone in 03 were a top team whereas I think they're maybe not quite at that level here. That said I don't think Kerry are as good as 03 either.

I think he means improved since 2019 and ya I would say we have but it's hard to call with not as much football being played.

In 2019 Tyrone went into round 2 in the qualifiers and didn't impress much. Beat Cork and the Rossies in the super8 to get to the semi. Kerry only beat us by a goal that day on a day where they scored 5 frees to our 3. Was very little between the sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
From what I remember, Tyrone were dominating that game in 2019. McShane and Donnelly destroying the Kerry full back line. Then a few Tyrone misses seem to sap their momentum and the game turned.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 25, 2021, 08:53:57 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
From what I remember, Tyrone were dominating that game in 2019. McShane and Donnelly destroying the Kerry full back line. Then a few Tyrone misses seem to sap their momentum and the game turned.

Tyrone over done the kicking ball into forwards. Worked early on until Kerry employed sweeper.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 25, 2021, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on August 25, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 25, 2021, 05:52:51 PM
Out of interest, what price were Tyrone heading that 2003 All-Ireland semi?  Underdogs no doubt but maybe not as big an underdog as this weekend?  I remember standing at half time finding it hard to believe we were so far ahead

Yes. Very surprising odds. Tyrone absolutely left the game behind them in 2019. Kerry have probably improved since, but so have Tyrone.

I suppose it's more of a reflection on the bets being placed than the actual odds.

I've stated similar in a different thread a while ago but I think it's worth reiterating.

The bookies odds always reflect the money placed. They have a fixed spread and make the same amount of money regardless of the outcome of a market.  When the amount of money placed on an upcoming event changes the odds will change too. The "actual odds" is the public opinion of what the outcome will be. Its a wisdom of the masses sort of thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
From what I remember, Tyrone were dominating that game in 2019. McShane and Donnelly destroying the Kerry full back line. Then a few Tyrone misses seem to sap their momentum and the game turned.

You could say that about so many games we've played against Kerry or Mayo in the championship for the last 10 years. So close and just wasteful. In old me I always blamed the ref for a lot of those losses but in all fairness we kicked the games away.

2019 Kerry 1 goal in it.
2016 Mayo 1 point in it
2015 Kerry 4 points in it



Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.

The table can't take into account brain farts or bad luck. It's pure stats and you are where you are on it. Until you start to win those games against teams above you you wont climb. I think after next years league Armagh will be in the top 6 or 7 again. If the qualifiers are back next year then either a big win in Ulster or a good run in the qualifiers could push ye up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2021, 09:38:56 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 25, 2021, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on August 25, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 25, 2021, 05:52:51 PM
Out of interest, what price were Tyrone heading that 2003 All-Ireland semi?  Underdogs no doubt but maybe not as big an underdog as this weekend?  I remember standing at half time finding it hard to believe we were so far ahead

Yes. Very surprising odds. Tyrone absolutely left the game behind them in 2019. Kerry have probably improved since, but so have Tyrone.

I suppose it's more of a reflection on the bets being placed than the actual odds.

I've stated similar in a different thread a while ago but I think it's worth reiterating.

The bookies odds always reflect the money placed. They have a fixed spread and make the same amount of money regardless of the outcome of a market.  When the amount of money placed on an upcoming event changes the odds will change too. The "actual odds" is the public opinion of what the outcome will be. Its a wisdom of the masses sort of thing.

Haven't seen too many poor bookies
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 25, 2021, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.

Top 4 then the rest. Tyrone have been in at least the All-Ireland semi 4 of the last 5 years. Monaghan 2018 and Cavan 2020 only other Ulster teams to get there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 25, 2021, 09:53:00 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 25, 2021, 08:22:02 PM
Have Tyrone improved? I think they've went back a good bit.

Tyrone in 03 were a top team whereas I think they're maybe not quite at that level here. That said I don't think Kerry are as good as 03 either.

I think he means improved since 2019 and ya I would say we have but it's hard to call with not as much football being played.

In 2019 Tyrone went into round 2 in the qualifiers and didn't impress much. Beat Cork and the Rossies in the super8 to get to the semi. Kerry only beat us by a goal that day on a day where they scored 5 frees to our 3. Was very little between the sides.

So do I. I don't think they are better. Playing more attacking football yes but better no.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 10:12:13 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
From what I remember, Tyrone were dominating that game in 2019. McShane and Donnelly destroying the Kerry full back line. Then a few Tyrone misses seem to sap their momentum and the game turned.

You could say that about so many games we've played against Kerry or Mayo in the championship for the last 10 years. So close and just wasteful. In old me I always blamed the ref for a lot of those losses but in all fairness we kicked the games away.

2019 Kerry 1 goal in it.
2016 Mayo 1 point in it
2015 Kerry 4 points in it

That game in 2016 was a very nervy finish from us. Even though we had an extra man it was all Tyrone in the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 10:14:48 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 10:12:13 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
From what I remember, Tyrone were dominating that game in 2019. McShane and Donnelly destroying the Kerry full back line. Then a few Tyrone misses seem to sap their momentum and the game turned.

You could say that about so many games we've played against Kerry or Mayo in the championship for the last 10 years. So close and just wasteful. In old me I always blamed the ref for a lot of those losses but in all fairness we kicked the games away.

2019 Kerry 1 goal in it.
2016 Mayo 1 point in it
2015 Kerry 4 points in it

That game in 2016 was a very nervy finish from us. Even though we had an extra man it was all Tyrone in the last 5 minutes.

I still cant get over Cav getting the line that day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 26, 2021, 07:23:26 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 10:12:13 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 25, 2021, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 25, 2021, 08:50:38 PM
From what I remember, Tyrone were dominating that game in 2019. McShane and Donnelly destroying the Kerry full back line. Then a few Tyrone misses seem to sap their momentum and the game turned.

You could say that about so many games we've played against Kerry or Mayo in the championship for the last 10 years. So close and just wasteful. In old me I always blamed the ref for a lot of those losses but in all fairness we kicked the games away.

2019 Kerry 1 goal in it.
2016 Mayo 1 point in it
2015 Kerry 4 points in it

That game in 2016 was a very nervy finish from us. Even though we had an extra man it was all Tyrone in the last 5 minutes.
That was the hardest defeat to swallow since 1995. Tyrone missed some amount of chances in the last 15minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fuzzman on August 26, 2021, 08:55:36 AM
Any spare tickets folks?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 26, 2021, 09:23:48 AM
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Tyrone boss Feargal Logan has said the issue of vaccination among players was a 'conundrum'. Photograph: Laszlo Geczo/Inpho
Tyrone boss Feargal Logan has said the issue of vaccination among players was a 'conundrum'. Photograph: Laszlo Geczo/Inpho

 
Feargal Logan, Tyrone joint-manager speaking to Declan Bogue of the Irish Examiner about the level of vaccination in their squad – Monday, August 16th: "In fairness part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance. Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board. There are some players vaccinated for a variety of reasons, be they on the front line, or work in health."

Tyrone had played their cards absolutely perfectly over the course of the weekend of August 14th and 15th. On that Saturday, they announced that they were pulling out of the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry due to the high incidence of Covid-19 in their camp.

Many people took that withdrawal at face value. The GAA, in dire need of the gate receipts and backed into a nasty corner by the idea of an All-Ireland semi-final being conceded, announced the following night that they would give Tyrone another six days to prepare, refixing the game for this Saturday, August 28th, and suddenly Tyrone had gotten exactly what they wanted.

Asking questions as to how this decision was reached seemed a little churlish, and most people were just relieved that we were going to see a football game, even if it was two weeks after the initial date.

Covid is everywhere. These things happen, and the disruption the delay would cause would be confined to club players in two counties, so it was time to move on, sympathise with those Tyrone players affected, particularly the player hospitalised with it, and start preparing for an All-Ireland semi-final.

Wheels came off
But then Feargal Logan spoke to Declan Bogue for Monday morning's Irish Examiner. And that was when the wheels came off. When Bogue asked "what are the levels of vaccination in the panel?", Logan would have been well within his rights to tell him that information is confidential.


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But that's not what Logan said. He said "vaccination was a conundrum". He outlined management's anxiety that a player who got vaccinated might miss two weeks training. What are we to infer from those comments? Can we presume that coaching anxiety about missing training due to vaccination was conveyed to the players?

Those who couldn't avoid getting vaccinated for their jobs, it appeared, were vaccinated. For everyone else, what messages were they hearing from their management?

You would think this point hardly needs making but if you're worried about squad disruption, actually contracting Covid, even in the best case, is far, far more disruptive than this extremely pessimistic, alarmist notion about the vaccine knocking you out for two weeks.

Even asymptomatic Covid means you're isolating for a prescribed amount of time, with the attendant close contact confusion, while obviously symptomatic Covid can knock you out for a lot longer than that.

You can make a decision which you think is informed about declining vaccination, or you can plead leniency (and then apply pressure for further leniency) when Covid spreads like wildfire – 20 positive tests! – through your camp, but in my opinion you can't do both.

There have been plenty of people involved in music and the arts, some of them dyed-in-the-wool GAA people, who have looked at crowds of 40,000 people at the All-Ireland and asked, quite rightly, why the GAA are getting preferential treatment – imagine their anger at seeing this blase attitude to vaccination.

Precautions
Elsewhere in that interview, Logan tells us about all the precautions that Tyrone have been taking – all team meetings outdoors, gym sessions on your own, keeping the shower facilities in their training centre closed. But why not take the one course of action that is proven to be far, far more effective than any other preventative measure?

Logan was worried about vaccinated players missing two weeks of training after getting the jab, and now the entire country has had to wait for two weeks. If Tyrone didn't take the most obvious, most effective precaution to protect themselves from Covid, it is reasonable to ask why the GAA put the entire season on hold for them. It is just as well this Logan interview came out after the GAA had already granted them the six extra days.

The reality is that vaccination is not a panacea – Covid could still have entered the Tyrone camp, there could have been a number of players who didn't want to get vaccinated and hence got it, it might even have been contracted by someone already vaccinated, and it could still have caused some disruption to their preparations. It's everywhere in the community, and attaching blame to people for getting it is fairly pointless.

But if, as a group, they decided that missing a few nights' training while recovering from the vaccine was a bigger risk than just not getting vaccinated in the first place, then Tyrone have gotten off very, very lightly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ciaraa on August 26, 2021, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2021, 09:23:48 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-tyrone-s-blase-attitude-to-vaccination-is-questionable-at-best-1.4656047
Ciarán Murphy: Tyrone's blase attitude to vaccination is questionable at best

If Tyrone win then expect much more of these pieces from the rags over the next few weeks. They will want their beloved Mayo to win at all costs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 26, 2021, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: ciaraa on August 26, 2021, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2021, 09:23:48 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-tyrone-s-blase-attitude-to-vaccination-is-questionable-at-best-1.4656047
Ciarán Murphy: Tyrone's blase attitude to vaccination is questionable at best

If Tyrone win then expect much more of these pieces from the rags over the next few weeks. They will want their beloved Mayo to win at all costs.

It will make it all the more enjoyable
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 26, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: ciaraa on August 26, 2021, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2021, 09:23:48 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-tyrone-s-blase-attitude-to-vaccination-is-questionable-at-best-1.4656047
Ciarán Murphy: Tyrone's blase attitude to vaccination is questionable at best

If Tyrone win then expect much more of these pieces from the rags over the next few weeks. They will want their beloved Mayo to win at all costs.

Doesn't really matter if they win or lose. I think that if Tyrone are fit to name their strongest starting 15 and there isn't anyone (vital) missing from the match day squad, a huge amount of column inches will be dedicated to this. Some will be asking relevant important questions others will be going for the cheap shots.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 26, 2021, 10:56:51 AM
It's not shit stirring. It's not even judgemental.

It's pointing out that a county team which made a conscientious decision to postpone vaccination, became the first county team to be granted a Covid postponement, after an outbreak in the camp.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 26, 2021, 11:09:38 AM
Logan and Tyrone's perceived position on Vaccines is stupid at best and dangerous at worst. This isn't a GAA or Tyrone issue. It's a community and family issue. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, your family and your teammates. I don't know of a single person knocked out for 2 weeks by the vaccine.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 26, 2021, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 26, 2021, 11:09:38 AM
Logan and Tyrone's perceived position on Vaccines is stupid at best and dangerous at worst. This isn't a GAA or Tyrone issue. It's a community and family issue. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, your family and your teammates. I don't know of a single person knocked out for 2 weeks by the vaccine.

Good point where did this notion of  being knocked out for 2 weeks after the vaccine come from. I was sick for a day and I know of someone much older than me knocked out for 3 but I've heard of and seen no evidence of someone being out for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 26, 2021, 11:12:23 AM
It's an extremely valid argument and one that was made on here about 10 days ago. I'm surprised more wasn't made of it at the time, however I don't see the point in rehashing it at this stage, it's done and dusted now. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 26, 2021, 11:26:45 AM
Tyrone have all players back training fully for over a week bar 2! At this stage of championship that is at good as any team will get. There will be 1 possible 2 changes for Kerry game which will make team stronger than ulster final . They have played a cute hand and fair play. With Dublin gone it's there for the taking
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
I do think Logan should clarify his statements. If it was management advise to avoid the vaccine then I think it's poor form as in regards to the welfare of the actual players. We know now it wouldn't have stopped the outbreak, so wouldn't have effected the requirement to postpone the game. But not a great look in current circumstances.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 26, 2021, 12:00:08 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 26, 2021, 11:26:45 AM
Tyrone have all players back training fully for over a week bar 2! At this stage of championship that is at good as any team will get. There will be 1 possible 2 changes for Kerry game which will make team stronger than ulster final . They have played a cute hand and fair play. With Dublin gone it's there for the taking

Played the cute hand??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 26, 2021, 12:02:25 PM
Quote from: ciaraa on August 26, 2021, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 26, 2021, 09:23:48 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-tyrone-s-blase-attitude-to-vaccination-is-questionable-at-best-1.4656047
Ciarán Murphy: Tyrone's blase attitude to vaccination is questionable at best

If Tyrone win then expect much more of these pieces from the rags over the next few weeks. They will want their beloved Mayo to win at all costs.

The rest of Ireland will go into meltdown if Tyrone win.  Bring it on!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 26, 2021, 12:10:44 PM
Tyrone know what they're at... get the old siege mentality "everyone hates us" vibe through the camp and try to stop Kerry scoring at all costs.

They're at it and they've gotten away with it we'll soon see if it was worth it come Saturday evening!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: NotedObserver on August 26, 2021, 12:11:49 PM
Any tickets floating around?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on August 26, 2021, 12:27:41 PM
I'm not sure what to make of Logan's comments. I suspect it could just be him trying to put the flak on himself rather than players that have vaccine hesitancy. He's not stupid, but I think he would have been best to say that it was a personal matter for each player and not something he would discuss.

In my opinion, it was clearly the wrong decision if a multitude of players decided against getting vaccinated or at least delayed getting it. However, I think all this commentary as if Tyrone have conspired the whole situation is ridiculous. There'll be conspiracies going round that Covid was developed in an underground lab in Garvaghy at this rate. Yes, it's difficult for Kerry, but it's not as if Tyrone are gaining an advantage by having the Covid outbreak. Preparations would obviously have been massively affected. Some of the players could have been badly affected or others not at 100%. One of Tyrone's key men is rumoured to have lost a stone or more, which I hope isn't true as it would be a massive dent in our chances. 

I feel like so much of the build up has been interesting. Everyone's talking about Kerry and completely writing Tyrone off. I recognise Kerry are favourites definitely, but you'd swear Kerry were playing Cavan or someone from the way they are going on. Kerry dropped out to Cork last year and Tyrone should have beaten them in 2019. I think Tyrone are or were in much better form coming into this game than they were in 2019, add in McKenna, Canavan, a rejuvenated Sludden, McCann, Hampsey, McGeary, and McCurry and an actually decent mid field for once, albeit 2019 McShane has yet to manifest. I know there's the matter of the league game, but Tyrone had not had hardly any training got in before the league and the long journey down etc.

Still think Kerry are favourites, but it is well set up for a big upset (potentially).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's a case of let whoever wants to flail about on the hows and whyfore's of the Covid do so. But it's Thursday now so you'd like to hope a discussion on the teams and match ups might break out.
Any word on naming the teams?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 26, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's a case of let whoever wants to flail about on the hows and whyfore's of the Covid do so. But it's Thursday now so you'd like to hope a discussion on the teams and match ups might break out.
Any word on naming the teams?

I can't see Tyrone naming a team until Saturday morning and even then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 26, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
I do think Logan should clarify his statements. If it was management advise to avoid the vaccine then I think it's poor form as in regards to the welfare of the actual players. We know now it wouldn't have stopped the outbreak, so wouldn't have effected the requirement to postpone the game. But not a great look in current circumstances.

There's a good chance the vaccine would have prevented a good number of those players from getting COVID. As I said previously if any of the players suffer long term consequences the Tyrone management could be in bother if they've encouraged the players to postpone getting vaccinated until the season is over.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 26, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 11:59:55 AM
I do think Logan should clarify his statements. If it was management advise to avoid the vaccine then I think it's poor form as in regards to the welfare of the actual players. We know now it wouldn't have stopped the outbreak, so wouldn't have effected the requirement to postpone the game. But not a great look in current circumstances.

There's a good chance the vaccine would have prevented a good number of those players from getting COVID. As I said previously if any of the players suffer long term consequences the Tyrone management could be in bother if they've encouraged the players to postpone getting vaccinated until the season is over.

You won't fine me defending the Tyrone management team if they were putting pressure for players not to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's a case of let whoever wants to flail about on the hows and whyfore's of the Covid do so. But it's Thursday now so you'd like to hope a discussion on the teams and match ups might break out.
Any word on naming the teams?

I can't see Tyrone naming a team until Saturday morning and even then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
Any word from the animals?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: In hiding on August 26, 2021, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's a case of let whoever wants to flail about on the hows and whyfore's of the Covid do so. But it's Thursday now so you'd like to hope a discussion on the teams and match ups might break out.
Any word on naming the teams?

I can't see Tyrone naming a team until Saturday morning and even then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
Any word from the animals?
Will Mc Shane start ?
Will Bradley?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jeremiah O on August 26, 2021, 02:45:55 PM
They're all fit and ready to go.
Sure according to the Derry and Armagh ones,this was all a big ploy to give our injured men  time to get back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 26, 2021, 03:01:10 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 25, 2021, 08:22:02 PM
Have Tyrone improved? I think they've went back a good bit.

Tyrone in 03 were a top team whereas I think they're maybe not quite at that level here. That said I don't think Kerry are as good as 03 either.

Going by championship performance you could argue Kerry haven't improved either.  Humbled last year and just played the usual Munster fodder this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 26, 2021, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.

Theres a top 3 in Ulster and then the rest.  Wouldn't say Armagh are clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare or Meath as I would fancy any of those teams to take Armagh in the championship.  You are also putting alot of credit on the league performances/results.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 26, 2021, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's a case of let whoever wants to flail about on the hows and whyfore's of the Covid do so. But it's Thursday now so you'd like to hope a discussion on the teams and match ups might break out.
Any word on naming the teams?

I can't see Tyrone naming a team until Saturday morning and even then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
Any word from the animals?
Will Mc Shane start ?
Will Bradley?
I'd expect McShane to start but not finish. There's people who are suited to coming on and others who try and do too much. I think McShanes a better option starting. I don't think Bradley will start.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 26, 2021, 03:51:14 PM
Be interesting to see re: McShane. Was sketchy at best the last day. More training / games under his belt it'll be interesting to see how he goes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 26, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 26, 2021, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.

Theres a top 3 in Ulster and then the rest.  Wouldn't say Armagh are clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare or Meath as I would fancy any of those teams to take Armagh in the championship.  You are also putting alot of credit on the league performances/results.
Armagh a kick of a ball away from Monaghan in a freak game. Donegal squeezed past Derry. Very little between the best teams in Ulster.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 26, 2021, 04:29:21 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.ie/gaa-all-ireland-football-semi-final-kerry-v-tyrone-dublin-28-08-2021/event/18005B0D82F51E1E

Some tickets available now
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 26, 2021, 04:37:13 PM
Armagh haven't reached a provincial final since 2008.

Oddly, every other county in the province has managed to worm their way through to an Ulster final since then.

You might in your heart of heart want Armagh to be considered a top team. But until they start making championship progress I've no idea why anyone would definitively try to make a case that they're above the other "fits and starts" championship sides like Meath, Cork and Kildare.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 26, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 26, 2021, 04:29:21 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.ie/gaa-all-ireland-football-semi-final-kerry-v-tyrone-dublin-28-08-2021/event/18005B0D82F51E1E

Some tickets available now
As long as you're not afraid of heights.....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 26, 2021, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 26, 2021, 04:37:13 PM
Armagh haven't reached a provincial final since 2008.

Oddly, every other county in the province has managed to worm their way through to an Ulster final since then.

You might in your heart of heart want Armagh to be considered a top team. But until they start making championship progress I've no idea why anyone would definitively try to make a case that they're above the other "fits and starts" championship sides like Meath, Cork and Kildare.
Cork for one aren't a top 10 team. Nearly a decade since they won a Munster senior title, the only All Ireland quarter final/super 8 they reached in recent years was by beating Div 3 Laois.

They were in Div 3 in 2020 and were lucky to avoid relegation back to Div 3 in the play off v Westmeath in June. The boards.ie Modeling system basically has them 10th for that fluky win last winter v Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 26, 2021, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 26, 2021, 04:29:21 PM
https://www.ticketmaster.ie/gaa-all-ireland-football-semi-final-kerry-v-tyrone-dublin-28-08-2021/event/18005B0D82F51E1E

Some tickets available now
As long as you're not afraid of heights.....

From a pure watching the game perspective the nose bleeds in Croke Park are great, you're not as far away as you'd think from the pitch and you really do have a great view of everything. That said the atmosphere up there is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 26, 2021, 05:31:39 PM
Why are you looking at this inside out?

Cork may or may not be a top 10 side. But let's apply your criteria to Armagh:

- Armagh haven't won (or played in the decider of) a provincial title since 2008.

- Armagh have only made one AIQF in forever, back in 2017.

- Armagh were playing d3 football as recently as 2018.

- Unlike Armagh, Cork have beaten a top 3 side in the  championship in the past 2 seasons.

And on top of that, Cork won the most recent competitive fixture between the sides, in D2 2019.

I know as well as you do that Armagh have unearthed a couple of players since then. But surely you can understand that until those players deliver a big result or two, then expecting Armagh to be ranked higher than teams like Cork is more than a tad subjective.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 26, 2021, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 26, 2021, 05:31:39 PM
Why are you looking at this inside out?

Cork may or may not be a top 10 side. But let's apply your criteria to Armagh:

- Armagh haven't won (or played in the decider of) a provincial title since 2008.

- Armagh have only made one AIQF in forever, back in 2017.

- Armagh were playing d3 football as recently as 2018.

- Unlike Armagh, Cork have beaten a top 3 side in the  championship in the past 2 seasons.

And on top of that, Cork won the most recent competitive fixture between the sides, in D2 2019.

I know as well as you do that Armagh have unearthed a couple of players since then. But surely you can understand that until those players deliver a big result or two, then expecting Armagh to be ranked higher than teams like Cork is more than a tad subjective.

My point is on Cork ranked as a top 10 team and the flaws on the ranking system that has them there with one result.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Crete Boom on August 26, 2021, 07:07:15 PM
Lads/ladies is the hill open for this semi final like the Dubs v Mayo match?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 26, 2021, 08:20:29 PM
I believe it is!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 26, 2021, 10:11:57 PM
Tickets still on sale???

Every fkcer from Kerry be sorted for a ticket if they make the final though 🙄
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 26, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 26, 2021, 10:11:57 PM
Tickets still on sale???

Every fkcer from Kerry be sorted for a ticket if they make the final though 🙄

If you as a Mayo fan have been to a provincial final and all-Ireland semi final in Croke Park then you deserve a final ticket this year imo. Same goes for the loyal Tyrone fans if they get there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 27, 2021, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 25, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

Armagh is at 11 on this list, only a decimal point different to Cork. They were in 7th place in July, I'm not sure why they dropped so much in a two point defeat.
10 minutes aside,  it was more than a 2 points  defeat.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 26, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 26, 2021, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.

Theres a top 3 in Ulster and then the rest.  Wouldn't say Armagh are clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare or Meath as I would fancy any of those teams to take Armagh in the championship.  You are also putting alot of credit on the league performances/results.
Armagh a kick of a ball away from Monaghan in a freak game. Donegal squeezed past Derry. Very little between the best teams in Ulster.
pa
Apart from 10 or so minutes when Monaghan lads were winded, Armagh were humped by Monaghan.
Tyrone 1
Monaghan 2
Donegal 3
a bit of space to
Armagh 4

You Armagh boys are just a bit too desperate and  obsessed in claiming the right to be a part of the upper tier.
See how it goes after a few years in Div 1 of the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 27, 2021, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: Main Street on August 27, 2021, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 25, 2021, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

Armagh is at 11 on this list, only a decimal point different to Cork. They were in 7th place in July, I'm not sure why they dropped so much in a two point defeat.
10 minutes aside,  it was more than a 2 points  defeat.
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 26, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 26, 2021, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 25, 2021, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Jayop on August 24, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
I always loved the Football ranking table that Laoiseman does on Boards.ie I dunno did he ever post it here too...

Anyway, here's the current top 10 with the 4 provincials and the other semi final making up the movement you see.

1|▲2|Mayo|109.70|6.14
2|▼-1|Dublin|107.58|-4.30
3|▼-1|Kerry|104.48|0.00
4|=|Tyrone|103.25|1.43
5|▲2|Donegal|93.40|0.00
6|▼-1|Galway|92.84|-1.84
7|▼-1|Monaghan|92.56|-1.43
8|=|Kildare|91.10|0.00
9|=|Meath|90.84|0.00
10|=|Cork|89.48|0.00

he hasn't done his predictions based on the model for this weekend which tend to be a lot more detailed than just "team a is above team b so they will win", I think it takes past results between the teams, current form etc also into account so it could be interested.

I was actually really shocked at how close Tyrone and Kerry are and how far Donegal are off the top 4.
Hmm Armagh should be on that list... Monaghan above Galway and close or ahead of Donegal. Armagh similar level to those 2. Kerry a whole pile further ahead of Tyrone... verry little between the big 3. Imo of course.

How/why should Armagh be on that list?
Because they were a brain fart away from beating Monaghan in the championship, they're definitely clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare and Meath. Drew with Donegal in the league and gave Tyrone a game after being crippled with injuries. For me there is the top 3 who are well clear with not an awful pile between any of them, then the 4 Ulster teams with not a whole pile between them (Armagh probably admittedly the weakest but not by much.) Then the rest.

Theres a top 3 in Ulster and then the rest.  Wouldn't say Armagh are clear of Cork, Galway, Kildare or Meath as I would fancy any of those teams to take Armagh in the championship.  You are also putting alot of credit on the league performances/results.
Armagh a kick of a ball away from Monaghan in a freak game. Donegal squeezed past Derry. Very little between the best teams in Ulster.
pa
Apart from 10 or so minutes when Monaghan lads were winded, Armagh were humped by Monaghan.
Tyrone 1
Monaghan 2
Donegal 3
a bit of space to
Armagh 4

You Armagh boys are just a bit too desperate and  obsessed in claiming the right to be a part of the upper tier.
See how it goes after a few years in Div 1 of the league.

A game lasts 75 plus minutes, so to pull out the 10 minutes that suits your own narrative is laughable. A bit like the Kerry manager stating after the League encounter with Tyrone that if you took out the 6 goals there was nothing between the 2 teams. Apart from stirring up a debate I doubt whether too many people care about fictional rankings, it means absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Keyser soze on August 27, 2021, 10:12:00 AM
FS can we stop we stop with the Armagh nonsense on this thread. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 27, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 27, 2021, 10:12:00 AM
FS can we stop we stop with the Armagh nonsense on this thread.
Yep apologies my fault with the initial comment. Anyway Armagh are behind Tyrone who imo are well behind Kerry but we'll know more tomorrow. Canavan, McCurry, McShane and McKenna can all do damage but don't think Tyrone will be able to stop the Cliffords, O'Shea and Geaney.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2021, 10:48:21 AM
This match should indicate where Tyrone are in the pecking order.
Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone all suffered during the 6 in a row but it's not clear which is strongest now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 27, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
That ranking has as much relevance as the FIFA rankings. Belgium have been ranked No 1 for the last few years and what have they achieved? Feck all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 27, 2021, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 26, 2021, 10:11:57 PM
Tickets still on sale???

Every fkcer from Kerry be sorted for a ticket if they make the final though 🙄

If you as a Mayo fan have been to a provincial final and all-Ireland semi final in Croke Park then you deserve a final ticket this year imo. Same goes for the loyal Tyrone fans if they get there.

I'm hearing that both competing are only allocated 5k tickets each which is an absolute shambles
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 27, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 27, 2021, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 26, 2021, 10:11:57 PM
Tickets still on sale???

Every fkcer from Kerry be sorted for a ticket if they make the final though 🙄

If you as a Mayo fan have been to a provincial final and all-Ireland semi final in Croke Park then you deserve a final ticket this year imo. Same goes for the loyal Tyrone fans if they get there.

I'm hearing that both competing are only allocated 5k tickets each which is an absolute shambles

For the 82,000 All-Ireland finals the County allocations was between 55k and 60k so one can do the maths on a 40k attendance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 27, 2021, 12:06:43 PM
Was told Cork and Limerick Co Boards got 11,900 each for the Hurling Final.
No idea whether that's true or not though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 27, 2021, 01:58:51 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2021, 12:06:43 PM
Was told Cork and Limerick Co Boards got 11,900 each for the Hurling Final.
No idea whether that's true or not though.

That's the amount they got, the rest divided up with the counties, sponsors, county players and so on
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2021, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 27, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
That ranking has as much relevance as the FIFA rankings. Belgium have been ranked No 1 for the last few years and what have they achieved? Feck all.
Look at the odds then
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 27, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 27, 2021, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 27, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
That ranking has as much relevance as the FIFA rankings. Belgium have been ranked No 1 for the last few years and what have they achieved? Feck all.
Look at the odds then

What  odds?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: the goal was on on August 27, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
Gavin Devlin helping Kerry with there team talk I see!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 27, 2021, 06:00:21 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 27, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
Gavin Devlin helping Kerry with there team talk I see!!

Yeah thought that was a bit strange myself. Maybe he's trying to put the pressure on the current management
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 27, 2021, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on August 27, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
Gavin Devlin helping Kerry with there team talk I see!!

Kerry have moved from pony to horse.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: WT4E on August 27, 2021, 09:00:33 PM
when is team news
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: ardtole on August 27, 2021, 09:15:57 PM
Usually 5 mins before throw in.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 27, 2021, 09:25:54 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 27, 2021, 09:15:57 PM
Usually 5 mins before throw in.

The printers doing the match programme have to guess the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 27, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Gavin Devlin has done Kerry's team talk for them anyway, that was a bizarre interview. Either he is deluded or he has a major chip on his shoulder about being ousted from Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 28, 2021, 12:06:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 26, 2021, 05:31:39 PM
Why are you looking at this inside out?

Cork may or may not be a top 10 side. But let's apply your criteria to Armagh:

- Armagh haven't won (or played in the decider of) a provincial title since 2008.

- Armagh have only made one AIQF in forever, back in 2017.

- Armagh were playing d3 football as recently as 2018.

- Unlike Armagh, Cork have beaten a top 3 side in the  championship in the past 2 seasons.

And on top of that, Cork won the most recent competitive fixture between the sides, in D2 2019.

I know as well as you do that Armagh have unearthed a couple of players since then. But surely you can understand that until those players deliver a big result or two, then expecting Armagh to be ranked higher than teams like Cork is more than a tad subjective.

QF in 2014 also and a kick of the ball from an AI semifinal
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 03:34:43 AM
Kerry to win pulling up. Tyrone to play very withdrawn, but Kerry to pull away from 55/60mins on. Well of course, thats
If  all the players stay on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 28, 2021, 08:21:32 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on August 25, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 25, 2021, 05:52:51 PM
Out of interest, what price were Tyrone heading that 2003 All-Ireland semi?  Underdogs no doubt but maybe not as big an underdog as this weekend?  I remember standing at half time finding it hard to believe we were so far ahead

Yes. Very surprising odds. Tyrone absolutely left the game behind them in 2019. Kerry have probably improved since, but so have Tyrone.

I suppose it's more of a reflection on the bets being placed than the actual odds.

Hard to see how Tyrone have improved since 2019. That team had its limitations but it had been playing under Mickey for years, was well drilled and had plenty of football under its belt. With the new management team there was always going to be a period of transition but their job was made much harder by Covid with no collective training, then a very short league campaign and straight into championship. Logan and Dooher are basically building a team and getting their ideas across as they go, and doing so with some players they'd surely regard as certain starters struggling with injury. In these circumstances winning Ulster was a terrific achievement, but Tyrone are very clearly going into this game as a team in transition, and that was before the Covid outbreak. That's in stark contrast to a Kerry side who have continued to build since 2019. Kerry look improved since then, Tyrone are very much a work in progress. It's not out the question at all that Tyrone get hammered today.

I'd be happy enough if Tyrone can go out and put in a decent showing. Hopefully with something like a normal season in 2022 with McKenna Cup and full league then they will be much better prepared for next summer, with the likes of McShane, Canavan and McKenna all fully fit and settled in the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on August 28, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
Are food stalls open in Croke park?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: redzone on August 28, 2021, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
Are food stalls open in Croke park?
They were for the ulster final
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: redzone on August 28, 2021, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
Are food stalls open in Croke park?
They were for the ulster final

He must be a band waggoner!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 10:50:34 AM
Tyrone are winning this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 10:54:41 AM
Tyrone by 2. When the predicted Kerry blitz doesnt appear in the first half, Kerry will get nervous.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 12:21:14 PM
I think Kerry by 4 to 6 points and I think it could be one of those unconvincing wins for Kerry with plenty of what ifs for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 27, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Gavin Devlin has done Kerry's team talk for them anyway, that was a bizarre interview. Either he is deluded or he has a major chip on his shoulder about being ousted from Tyrone.

Any links?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 27, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Gavin Devlin has done Kerry's team talk for them anyway, that was a bizarre interview. Either he is deluded or he has a major chip on his shoulder about being ousted from Tyrone.

Any links?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40367123.html%3ftype=amp
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 28, 2021, 01:23:42 PM
Hopp Tyrone!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 01:25:28 PM
Just saw a screenshot of the programme. Rory Brennan and Richie Donnelly not on 26. Burns on bench. Michael oneill at 11. Probably be changes before the throw in
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 27, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Gavin Devlin has done Kerry's team talk for them anyway, that was a bizarre interview. Either he is deluded or he has a major chip on his shoulder about being ousted from Tyrone.

Any links?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40367123.html%3ftype=amp

He had about 6 Tyrone hats on there, not just the one!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 02:01:06 PM
I think he made some good points tbh, I could see Tyrone shackling Kerry's forwards and taking advantage of their poor defence on the break
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 02:39:19 PM
Pat Spillane has lost it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 02:43:29 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 02:39:19 PM
Pat Spillane has lost it

On sky. What did he do? Covid chat?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 28, 2021, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 02:39:19 PM
Pat Spillane has lost it

He is some tool. I hope Tyrone management get wind of this as  extra motivation .
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 02:54:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1431614837034033152 (https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1431614837034033152)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Basically he said it was Tyrone incompetence that led to the big Covid outbreak.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
Pat Spillane apologises for his comments about Tyrone in the 00's and has now decided that they were the team of the decade
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 03:03:30 PM
Pat seemed rattled and was complaining about rumors and innuendo. Then goes on to spew some rumors on national media. Hypocrite
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
It's strange that fergal logan came out and made that statement about the vaccine. I know for a fact that some of those lads are double vaccinated
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 28, 2021, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
Pat Spillane apologises for his comments about Tyrone in the 00's and has now decided that they were the team of the decade
Pat acknowledged now as Tyrone no threat to Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Cavanagh should have walked off. What a farce. Good job Spillane wasn't talking about the DUP or he'd have been cut off.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 03:11:28 PM
Spillane looks to be feeling the pressure of this fixture.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Cavanagh should have walked off. What a farce. Good job Spillane wasn't talking about the DUP or he'd have been cut off.

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 28, 2021, 03:14:06 PM
Peter Keane leaving all players from Pat Spillane club on bench. Is this result of Spillane criticism of Kerry management? Heard Keane wasn't happy with him last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trileacman on August 28, 2021, 03:14:48 PM
Anyone else getting the feeling this is will be a non-event of a match?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
Kerry 2-17 to 0-15
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 03:29:12 PM
Starting teams

Tyrone

N Morgan
M McKernan,R McNamee, P Hampsey
K Burns K McGeary P Harte
B Kennedy C Kilpatrick
C Meyler M O'Neill N Sludden
D McCurry M Donnelly C McKenna

Kerry

S Ryan
B O Beaglaoich J Foley T O'Sullivan
M Breen P Murphy G White
D Moran J Barry
D Moynihan S O'Shea S O'Brien
D Clifford P Geaney P Clifford
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 03:29:48 PM
FECK SAKE!!! GER CANNING!!!!

Over to the RTE News channel then
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 03:30:02 PM
I think what Spillane was wrongly trying to put across was why Tyrone have had a major outbreak if they all following protocol. Some teams especially the hurling have had a couple of players pick up Covid but not near 20 odd. Tyrone have never explained how this happened, when it's occurred with no other county team. hence rumour all over the place. I note Monaghan had rattled in yesterday to say all their players had been vaccinated mid June.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
3 minutes in and Tyrone will have to change their marker on David Clifford already.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 03:42:02 PM
I don't see a Kerry landslide here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 28, 2021, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
3 minutes in and Tyrone will have to change their marker on David Clifford already.

Why do some think they are entitled to know if others have been vaccinated ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 03:45:24 PM
Kerry struggling to live with Tyrone at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 28, 2021, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
3 minutes in and Tyrone will have to change their marker on David Clifford already.

Why do some think they are entitled to know if others have been vaccinated ?

Few lads here won't talk to you unless you are vaccinated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 28, 2021, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
3 minutes in and Tyrone will have to change their marker on David Clifford already.

Why do some think they are entitled to know if others have been vaccinated ?

So they can lay judgement on them!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 28, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Interesting game. Tyrone doing very well to not allow shooting space. They've scored from 5 turnovers i think
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 03:50:26 PM
1st water break. Tyrone 0-5 Kerry 0-4.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
Monotone Fitzmaurice Pitchside, to give a Kerry perspective. Surely there is a Neutral pundit out there to cover this!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 03:54:50 PM
What is he at!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 03:55:41 PM
Seán O'Shea should have went of goal there instead of passing a let off for Tyrone. 0-5 each 23 minutes played.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 03:56:30 PM
 :shocking miss, up there with the spurs lad from many yrs ago lol 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 03:59:05 PM
What a turn around! Sean OShea has an open goal 13 yards out, hand passes it for a square ball. Tyrone go down the other end and put away a convincing goal!

1-05 to 0-05
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 04:00:09 PM
Kerry fecking up that goal chance and conceding one moments later could be a turning point in this match?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 28, 2021, 04:01:15 PM
Ah, Tyrone and the auld 'head injury'
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 28, 2021, 04:01:39 PM
McCurry needs to get taken off at half-time. Tyrone been good apart from him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
This is fantastic stuff from Tyrone. Kerry will be grateful that Clifford is on form because we'd be out of sight otherwise.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:05:19 PM
Change of management but the dark arts remain.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
Someone might remind Peter Harte he's allowed to pass. Just ran around in circles until the ref gave a free out, could've hand passed on several occasions
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:05:51 PM
Kerry not up to the pace of the game, but Tyrone don't seem to be firing on all cyclinders  either.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:06:25 PM
Tyrone doing their best to kick it away, would they go away with the outside of the boot shite
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2021, 04:06:32 PM
The Pomeroy wide count steadily increasing. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:08:52 PM
Soft frees keeping Kerry in it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:10:29 PM
Why are Tyrone so hesitant to play off the pass? Although I must say, the ref is far quicker to blow steps against Tyrone than Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:12:09 PM
Very lucky lad there David Clifford, went in fairly heavy there
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:12:25 PM
Frees are still frees
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
Some acting when he heard the whistle  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:13:00 PM
Unbelievable kick that from Morgan, putting them a point ahead at half time
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 04:13:20 PM
Half time Kerry 0-9 Tyrone 1-7. Some score by Morgan with the last kick of the half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 04:14:00 PM
Does anyone still think Kerry will win by 10 or 12?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2021, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:10:29 PM
Why are Tyrone so hesitant to play off the pass? Although I must say, the ref is far quicker to blow steps against Tyrone than Kerry

We need Angelo for this game alone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:14:29 PM
Is the punditry usually this good here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 28, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
Ridiculous score from Morgan there. Kerry have been fairly poor. I expect them up it in the second half and win by 3-4 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
Clifford gets away with an unbelievable amount. That was a yellow card and if he had of connected with the elbow it would have been red.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
Clifford gets away with an unbelievable amount. That was a yellow card and if he had of connected with the elbow it would have been red.

Tyrone are the dirty hoors and Kerry are the footballing purists though /s
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rois on August 28, 2021, 04:17:11 PM
Fitness going to be a big issue in second half for Tyrone. Intense game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 28, 2021, 04:19:04 PM
Was unreal point from Morgan there but McCurry not at the races today.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 28, 2021, 04:19:04 PM
Was unreal point from Morgan there but McCurry not at the races today.

Isn't a whole lot of ball into him. Got 2 or 3 very high balls in but had 2 players on top of him Immediately. Needs support
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 28, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
Tyrone haven't beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in championship since 2008. Kerry haven't lost in Ulster opposition in 9 years. Expect kerry to empty the bench and pull away and win by 8.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Kerry 1/3 to win now.  Still really strong favourites to win. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 28, 2021, 04:26:44 PM
Kerry will go gung-ho at start of second half and will be 4 up by next water break
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 04:35:30 PM
Level now 0-11 to 1-8. 0-7 for David Clifford now. Black card for Sludden big blow to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
Drag down? He was f*In going down already
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:36:35 PM
Black all day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:37:01 PM
I think Dublin would beat either of these 2 teams
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 04:14:57 PM
Clifford gets away with an unbelievable amount. That was a yellow card and if he had of connected with the elbow it would have been red.

He didn't connect mute point.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 28, 2021, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:36:35 PM
Black all day.
Don't know why anyone is questioning it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 04:39:23 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:37:01 PM
I think Dublin would beat either of these 2 teams

Not the way Dublin performed in the last 55 minutes against Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:40:32 PM
Clifford roasting everybody but where have the rest of the Kerry team disappeared to. U wouldn't think Kerry have a extra man here, they very slack
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:36:05 PM
Drag down? He was f*In going down already

If you were to put together a video of what fouls represents a black card you'd use that rugby tackle as an example. Not a doubt about it

Kerry keep going for goals instead of taking their points. If they just take their points they'll pull away
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 04:41:24 PM
Morgan having a mare on the kickouts this half
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 04:41:29 PM
Kerry hit the front 45 mins played. 0-13 1-8
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:40:32 PM
Clifford roasting everybody but where have the rest of the Kerry team disappeared to. U wouldn't think Kerry have a extra man here, they very slack

Eh they have an extra man, the kickouts are handing it to them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 04:42:18 PM
If Kerry had taken points instead of trying for goals they could have 17 points in the board already... Ominous
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:42:52 PM
Kerry have been terrible to be honest outside Tom O Sullivan and David Clifford.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
Mayo beat either of those 2 teams on what's on offer here. Kerry extra man, should be making advance of it to get 2/3 PT lead but Tyrone just holding on to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 04:42:52 PM
Kerry have been terrible to be honest outside Tom O Sullivan and David Clifford.
Decision making has been horrible. Lost count of the amount of times they had decent options but ran in a straight line until they hit something and were turned over.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
Can Peter Harte not stay on his feet for any period of time?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:50:12 PM
Someone tell Kerry it's a football game not rugby, they get the ball and charge in a straight line expecting a free
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 04:50:38 PM
2nd water break, 54 minutes played. Kerry 0-14 Tyrone 1-9. Fitness and bench options will be key here now
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:50:12 PM
Someone tell Kerry it's a football game not rugby, they get the ball and charge in a straight line expecting a free

Agree. That last free on kieran should have been a free out for charging. Mayo won't fear any of them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 04:52:43 PM
A few Kerry players struggling with cramp. Tyrone look fine.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 04:52:54 PM
Kerry's easy run and 5 week wait for the game is definitely showing. Clearly rusty but they're getting their scores easier than Tyrone. They just need to take their points and drop their obsession with going for goals
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 04:53:17 PM
Kerry very disappointing so far, it's still all to play for at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
Tyrone have the edge in terms of experience, bench, and fitness. They have to make it count
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 04:57:58 PM
Stupid from McCurry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 04:58:10 PM
That's that!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Harold Disgracey on August 28, 2021, 04:58:21 PM
That was incredibly stupid by McCurry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
McCurry's needless cynical challenge there could prove very costly
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 04:58:36 PM
Black card for McCurry. 60 mins played Kerry 0-14 Tyrone 1-10
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 04:58:41 PM
That black will cost Tyrone big time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:00:07 PM
Morgan very poor second half
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:00:19 PM
This is a horrible game of fball
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:00:41 PM
Tyrone will be kicking themselves if they lose this
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 04:58:41 PM
That black will cost Tyrone big time.
They just need to hope that Kerry keep up their tried and trusted approach of head down running in corners..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:00:41 PM
Tyrone will be kicking themselves if they lose this

Think the writing is on the wall at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:03:20 PM
Black card nearly run down they will be grand.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
Fair play to that Tyrone physio. 9 times out if 10 he's allowed play on there. Like rugby a hit to the head like that should be an automatic substitution
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
Tyrone have the edge in terms of experience, bench, and fitness. They have to make it count

It's like covid never happened.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:04:53 PM
Someone tell Morgan to stay in the f**king goal
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:06:05 PM
Point for Kerry when it could have been a goal. 0-15 to 1-10 67 minutes played. Should be plenty of injury time here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:06:13 PM
Is Niall Morgan the most infuriating keeper in the county? Fair enough trying  something different but it's clearly not working in the second half
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:08:32 PM
Jaysus Kerry made a right balls of that, should have got a goal but for a poor pass, then Tyrone go up and score the other end.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:09:11 PM
Tyrone will beat Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:09:26 PM
Level game again. 0-16 to 2-10. 9 minutes of injury time to play!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
Mayo would beat either of these I feel
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:11:16 PM
Kerry's decision making in front of goal has been woeful
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:11:16 PM
Kerry's decision making in front of goal has been woeful
Brutal. Sean O'Shea one of the worst offenders.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:11:16 PM
Kerry's decision making in front of goal has been woeful

Only themselves to blame.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:14:08 PM
4 minutes of play left. Tyrone lead by 1
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:15:56 PM
If Tyrone bring it to extra time they'll win. Kerry don't have the legs
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

What game are you watching?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 05:16:44 PM
Next score wins?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:18:11 PM
FT Kerry 0-17 Tyrone 2-11. Both semi finals goes to extra time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:18:39 PM
Fergal Logan should be allowed to graze sheep in Ardboe after this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tonto1888 on August 28, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
Quote from: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

What game are you watching?

I was wondering that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 05:18:55 PM
Clifford looks tanked!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

If you get through, how do you think your county will do against Mayo in the final?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

What game are you watching?

I don't know, but it's not the game in Croke Park. Both teams look shattered. Clifford's cramping up and is only on the pitch because of his reputation.

Anyone's game in ET
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:20:19 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

If you get through, how do you think your county will do against Mayo in the final?

;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 28, 2021, 05:20:40 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

If you get through, how do you think your county will do against Mayo in the final?
Will like to see a replay but not overly happy from Live viewing.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

What game are you watching?

I don't know, but it's not the game in Croke Park. Both teams look shattered. Clifford's cramping up and is only on the pitch because of his reputation.

Anyone's game in ET

Definitely, both teams have a fair few out on their feet. That game was played at some pace
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 28, 2021, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

What game are you watching?

I don't know, but it's not the game in Croke Park. Both teams look shattered. Clifford's cramping up and is only on the pitch because of his reputation.

Anyone's game in ET

Not the fact he's been the best player on the field??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:25:25 PM
What Tyrone players had covid-19. the subs lol? Looking fairly fit for lads only bck training a week!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2021, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Does the ref want to kick the frees for Kerry as well?

What game are you watching?

I don't know, but it's not the game in Croke Park. Both teams look shattered. Clifford's cramping up and is only on the pitch because of his reputation.

Anyone's game in ET

Not the fact he's been the best player on the field??

He's clearly suffering from cramp. If you'd ever played football and suffered from cramp you'd know you can't run it off and he's basically on one leg
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Capt Pat on August 28, 2021, 05:25:46 PM
Clifford looks to be finished for today. That gives the advantage to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2021, 05:26:27 PM
Tyrone by 5.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:25:25 PM
What Tyrone players had covid-19. the subs lol? Looking fairly fit for lads only bck training a week!!

Sub keeper.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: delgany on August 28, 2021, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:06:13 PM
Is Niall Morgan the most infuriating keeper in the county? Fair enough trying  something different but it's clearly not working in the second half
Sure he can run out and catch his own kicks !
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: screenexile on August 28, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
Jesus Cavanagh  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
Sean Cavanagh talking some sh**e trying to defend that 2nd black card. The more replays you see the more obvious and cynical it was
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:30:13 PM
Sean Cavanagh is an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
I be pointing out to Sean, your the reason the black card came in.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:31:57 PM
Sean Cavanagh making a big deal about the second one which was clear cut, I think the first one is the one that could be debated
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
I be pointing out to Sean, your the reason the black card came in.

Worse pundit out there and there are some ejjits doing the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:33:21 PM
Just f**k up Sean.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
I be pointing out to Sean, your the reason the black card came in.

LOL then you would be wrong. Not much of fan if you didn't know the black card was already approved before that tackle.

The 2 black cards were as clear as day, no defending them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:34:01 PM
How on earth does Cavanagh keep getting these punditry gigs, he talks an awful amount of shyte and doesn't even try to mask his incredible bias.

Surely there are other, more objective and easy to listen to ex-Tyrone players who RTÉ can get for these matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:34:26 PM
Clifford gone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:34:26 PM
Clifford gone
Advantage Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:34:26 PM
Clifford gone
Huge blow to Kerry and boost to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:37:23 PM
Tyrone hoping to keep covid free for final, some achievement by new management.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
McGeary been good for Tyrone outside of a couple of bad wides.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 28, 2021, 05:38:42 PM
Such a soft free
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: David McKeown on August 28, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 28, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
Sean Cavanagh talking some sh**e trying to defend that 2nd black card. The more replays you see the more obvious and cynical it was

By rule I don't think the second one was a black card. It's not merely enough to body collide you have to do it after the opponent has played the ball or for the purpose of taking him out of the play. It's a clear body collide but I think the play is far enough away that it's not for the purpose of taking the player out of the play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 05:40:33 PM
None of you hoors gave us a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:41:44 PM
That has to be game now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 28, 2021, 05:42:18 PM
McGeary is the master at winning a free
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 05:42:21 PM
Kerry have nothing left
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 05:42:21 PM
Kerry have nothing left
Best team won, Kerry one man show.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:15:56 PM
If Tyrone bring it to extra time they'll win. Kerry don't have the legs

Called it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
Wow absolutely abysmal defending from Kerry there, swinging a weak boot at it rather than getting a good fist on the ball to clear it. If you seen that in a Junior B match you'd be giving out shyte about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 05:40:33 PM
None of you hoors gave us a chance.

But Covid had youse by the balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Harold Disgracey on August 28, 2021, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 28, 2021, 05:42:18 PM
McGeary is the master at winning a free

Very Brian McGuiganesque
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:43:24 PM
Very much Tyrones game to lose now. Poor kerry defending but a fine finish by McKenna. 0-17 to 3-13
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:44:02 PM
Kerry look like the team recovering from covid
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:44:05 PM
Can't see Mayo getting close to Tyrone, Kerry be wishing they got the bye, Tyrone County Board should have negotiated Brexit.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 28, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 05:40:33 PM
None of you hoors gave us a chance.

But Covid had youse by the balls.

Fergal had GAA by the balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:45:05 PM
V little team work in the Kerry side. It's all hopeful individual stuff. Praying that one or two players make something happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:45:33 PM
Tyrone need to stop shiting around, game isn't over yet like
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rudi on August 28, 2021, 05:46:20 PM
Fair play to Tyrone get defensive/ counter attacking performance. Kerry are great lads at beatin the shite out of under prepared teams, but when a team stands up to them they disappear.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:46:58 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:45:33 PM
Tyrone need to stop shiting around, game isn't over yet like

Dry them, it's all over, you ok for a final ticket against Mayo?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:47:40 PM
Sky RTE in the North have just kicked everyone off
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:47:51 PM
Half time in extra time. Tyrone 3-14 Kerry 0-20
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:47:40 PM
Sky RTE in the North have just kicked everyone off

Scheduled end of program, happens a lot.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:49:16 PM
Sure I thought Tyrone was supposely under prepared. Tyrone have this game won, terrible goal to give away. The missed goal in the 1st half, then Tyrone going down the field to hang one will haunt Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:47:40 PM
Sky RTE in the North have just kicked everyone off

Blowitupref will give you final result.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

Filled yours with concrete?  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 05:49:16 PM
Sure I thought Tyrone was supposely under prepared. Tyrone have this game won, terrible goal to give away. The missed goal in the 1st half, then Tyrone going down the field to hang one will haunt Kerry.

Fergal give them an extra few weeks to prepare.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 28, 2021, 05:51:25 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 05:47:40 PM
Sky RTE in the North have just kicked everyone off

Useless useless bastarts
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 28, 2021, 05:51:33 PM
Jeepers if this is the effects covid has on people we will be a nation of athletes by the time this is all over. Mattie running around like someone whos been on a high altitude training camp and not bed ridden
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 05:53:04 PM
He was isolating at the gym.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
Geaney has been the worst player on the pitch all game, should've taken mark
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 05:54:20 PM
Kerry 0-22 Tyrone 3-14 with  3 minutes to play
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 05:57:45 PM
Anyone's game now
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:58:49 PM
If Niall Morgan had a brain...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 06:00:13 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 05:58:49 PM
If Niall Morgan had a brain...

You could ask for a borrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
FT Kerry 0-22 Tyrone 3-14.   Congrats to Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 28, 2021, 06:03:56 PM
Excellent from Tyrone throughout all the game with their tactics, intensity, energy and confidence.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rudi on August 28, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
Fair play to Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
Brainless from Walsh, absolutely brainless.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
Tyrone played well in a high intensity game but terrible standard game. Didn't give them much chance against Kerry to be honest with the Covid issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Schkite on August 28, 2021, 06:05:52 PM
Great performance by Tyrone especially given the circumstances, but Kerry have been so, so underwhelming. Didn't play as a team very well, hugely reliant on Clifford for scores, and most of the time had shocking decision making in front of goal.

I'd certainly be making Mayo favorites for the final, they'll be much more of a team unit than Kerry were today and will be tighter in defence for sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Sandy Hill on August 28, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
THE GAA WERE TRULY CONNED by Logan and Dooher, shame on them!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 06:07:12 PM
You have to give credit to Tyrone it was reminiscent of 2003, I didn't think they had it in them. The old Kerry softness let them down again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 06:08:06 PM
Any chance we get rid of Sean and Pat on the panel, 2 biased dicks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 28, 2021, 06:09:09 PM
Come on Tyrone.  Coldrick done his best for Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 06:09:17 PM
I tried to tell ye. Show much hype around this Kerry but in the last few years since they've come through they've beat nobody. And they still haven't. All talk about their goals, they haven't scored them in the big games.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 28, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 28, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
THE GAA WERE TRULY CONNED by Logan and Dooher, shame on them!!!!
The amount of Kerry players cramping compared to Tyrone was very noticeable. They gambled and won, fair play to them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 28, 2021, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
Tyrone played well in a high intensity game but terrible standard game. Didn't give them much chance against Kerry to be honest with the Covid issue.
Haha covid issue. Dooher and logan played a blinder. The boys have been isolating at Garvaghy the whole time just constantly running laps
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 28, 2021, 06:10:13 PM
Dooher must have been using that ivermectin on the tyrone players. It must be good for cramp, the kerry players would've needed it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 28, 2021, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
Brainless from Walsh, absolutely brainless.
It was 20 seconds past the allotted minute of injury time. He had a makeable opening. Had Kerry recycled the ball the whistle would likely have gone. Poor execution, yes. Brainless, no not even close.

Kerry just aren't as good when the play teams that aren't beaten before they start. Well done Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 28, 2021, 06:10:24 PM
Lol. Kerry have improved massively since 2019 whereas Tyrone haven't. Pure dung as I posted a few days back. The league is misleading.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 28, 2021, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 28, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
THE GAA WERE TRULY CONNED by Logan and Dooher, shame on them!!!!

Love it!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 06:11:01 PM
It wouldn't be old Kerry softness. It be the standard of player Kerry good players in White. Moran, O'Shea, D Clifford. None of the rest would get on their team 15yrs ago. Kerry egged up as hope of beating Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 06:11:52 PM
Better  Tyrone having won  the game in extra time than it being decided  on the abomination of penalties.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 28, 2021, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 28, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
Brainless from Walsh, absolutely brainless.
For a big lad he's powder puff with any shot outside 20m line, the last player you'd want on the ball at that time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 06:11:01 PM
It wouldn't be old Kerry softness. It be the standard of player Kerry good players in White. Moran, O'Shea, D Clifford. None of the rest would get on their team 15yrs ago. Kerry egged up as hope of beating Dublin.

The media had to talk somebody up to take Dublin's crown! Problem was Kerry believed them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2021, 06:15:08 PM
So where's the Kerry Mayo all Ireland final thread gone?  😂😂
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
Better team won and Tyrone really should have won that contest in normal time. Can they land Sam? Last thing they'll want is to be known as the team that allowed Mayo end their 70 year famine and don't Tyrone have a terrible championship record v Mayo?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: blasmere on August 28, 2021, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 06:11:01 PM
It wouldn't be old Kerry softness. It be the standard of player Kerry good players in White. Moran, O'Shea, D Clifford. None of the rest would get on their team 15yrs ago. Kerry egged up as hope of beating Dublin.

The media had to talk somebody up to take Dublin's crown! Problem was Kerry believed them.

Are you more or less confident now it's Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 06:16:41 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 28, 2021, 06:09:09 PM
Come on Tyrone.  Coldrick done his best for Kerry.

Really!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2021, 06:16:51 PM
That is honestly one of tyrone's best ever results.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 28, 2021, 06:17:36 PM
Kerry very poor.  You would have thought they had Covid. 

There will rightly be many questions asked about whether this game should have been moved.  The delay was all in favour of Tyrone and you can ask questions if it should have made any difference to Kerry.  However ,they still should have had a better opportunity to prepare than Tyrone.  They looked sluggish.  It was Tyrone that looked like a team who was collectively training, while Kerry looked like they weren't.



Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 28, 2021, 06:20:04 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 28, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
THE GAA WERE TRULY CONNED by Logan and Dooher, shame on them!!!!

Logan master of dark arts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: APM on August 28, 2021, 06:21:44 PM
If Spillane's nonsense before the game was any indication of the thinking in the Kerry camp going into this game, no wonder they were beaten
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: grounded on August 28, 2021, 06:21:47 PM
Quote from: APM on August 28, 2021, 06:17:36 PM
Kerry very poor.  You would have thought they had Covid. 

There will rightly be many questions asked about whether this game should have been moved.  The delay was all in favour of Tyrone and you can ask questions if it should have made any difference to Kerry.  However ,they still should have had a better opportunity to prepare than Tyrone.  They looked sluggish.  It was Tyrone that looked like a team who was collectively training, while Kerry looked like they weren't.

How would you have given Kerry a better opportunity to prepare. Surely the fact that they hadnt a serious game in the Munster championship so far is the real issue.
         
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 06:22:10 PM
YAAAASSSSSSSS

Kerry gave Tyrone a hell of a scare. Commiserations to them. They just came up against a better team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: APM on August 28, 2021, 06:17:36 PM
Kerry very poor.  You would have thought they had Covid. 

There will rightly be many questions asked about whether this game should have been moved.  The delay was all in favour of Tyrone and you can ask questions if it should have made any difference to Kerry.  However ,they still should have had a better opportunity to prepare than Tyrone.  They looked sluggish.  It was Tyrone that looked like a team who was collectively training, while Kerry looked like they weren't.

Surley by that logic kerry should have been fitter as they had 5 weeks of training under their belt.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Has to be one of the greatest managerial heists in GAA history. It was a masterclass from Logan and Dooher.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 06:35:44 PM
Kerry don't have enough Marquee forwards. As a Mayo man it feels nice to say that!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: balladmaker on August 28, 2021, 06:41:09 PM
Two points of note from the All Ireland semi-finals:

1: If ever there was an argument for an end to the provincial championships, then both semi's was it.  Kerry walzted thru Munster, Dublin thru Leinster, but neither of the much vaunted favourites were fit for the best of the other provinces.  Let's be finished with the pre-loaded Championships in favour of Kerry and Dublin, it's time for an open draw!

2: Never trust a Tyrone man when he tells you he has Covid.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: lenny on August 28, 2021, 06:45:28 PM
Tyrone will be tired after that. They'll probably need an extra couple of weeks off before the final, player welfare and all that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
What happens if Mayo suddenly have massive covid issues?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 28, 2021, 06:49:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
What happens if Mayo suddenly have massive covid issues?
Tyrone have the cure. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 06:50:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Has to be one of the greatest managerial heists in GAA history. It was a masterclass from Logan and Dooher.

Kerry management learnt little from their extra time loss to Cork last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Scoring Zone on August 28, 2021, 06:51:32 PM
an old (extremely successful) manager drilled it in a team i played on Attitude reflects leadership, the performance, style and way a team goes about its business embodies the coach, think the calmness and ruthlessness of Dublin in their pomp, Donegal and McGuiness, Ferguson and United, Mourinho and his teams - if ever there was a performance that embodied Brian Dooher that was it, dogged, aggressive, smart, resilient against the most favoured and spoilt county in the country - sweet is no the word
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 28, 2021, 06:54:10 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on August 28, 2021, 06:41:09 PM
Two points of note from the All Ireland semi-finals:

1: If ever there was an argument for an end to the provincial championships, then both semi's was it.  Kerry walzted thru Munster, Dublin thru Leinster, but neither of the much vaunted favourites were fit for the best of the other provinces.  Let's be finished with the pre-loaded Championships in favour of Kerry and Dublin, it's time for an open draw!

Open draw is an easy call, but some of the best games were in the Ulster championship, having Monaghan play Limerick would not be all that attractive. However, this year there was no back door of any sort, Monaghan, Donegal, Armagh, Galway etc might have beaten Kerry already or given them a proper test.

Quote2: Never trust a Tyrone man when he tells you he has Covid.

I wouldn't trust a Tyrone man if he said it was Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: delgany on August 28, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
How come so many Kerry players went down with cramp ? They had TWO WEEKS EXTRA to prepare !
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 06:50:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Has to be one of the greatest managerial heists in GAA history. It was a masterclass from Logan and Dooher.

Kerry management learnt little from their extra time loss to Cork last year.

Did the Kerry management get much wrong? I think a lot of the young Kerry players have hyped up well beyond their standing. David Moran and Tommy Walsh may well retire now. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are past their best too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 28, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 28, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
How come so many Kerry players went down with cramp ? They had TWO WEEKS EXTRA to prepare !
can tell you're not that into your sport science
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 07:03:19 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 06:50:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Has to be one of the greatest managerial heists in GAA history. It was a masterclass from Logan and Dooher.

Kerry management learnt little from their extra time loss to Cork last year.

Did the Kerry management get much wrong? I think a lot of the young Kerry players have hyped up well beyond their standing. David Moran and Tommy Walsh may well retire now. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are past their best too.

Far too loose defensively and weren't playing as a unit offensively. Management never switched things up were left to rely on Individuals to bail them out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 07:05:19 PM
Well the narrative that Kerry were the great white hope to save Gaelic football was put on it's arse today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 07:03:19 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2021, 06:50:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Has to be one of the greatest managerial heists in GAA history. It was a masterclass from Logan and Dooher.

Kerry management learnt little from their extra time loss to Cork last year.

Did the Kerry management get much wrong? I think a lot of the young Kerry players have hyped up well beyond their standing. David Moran and Tommy Walsh may well retire now. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are past their best too.

Far too loose defensively and weren't playing as a unit offensively. Management never switched things up were left to rely on Individuals to bail them out.

Their defenders actually did reasonably well. Most won their individual battle. The quality of Kerry's forwards (David Clifford aside) is overplayed. None of their subs added much either.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bennydorano on August 28, 2021, 07:14:23 PM
We're they not trying to get shot of Keane last year? He'll hardly be back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 28, 2021, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 28, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
THE GAA WERE TRULY CONNED by Logan and Dooher, shame on them!!!!

Enjoying your Orchard pain!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 28, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
What happens if Mayo suddenly have massive covid issues?

I'd like to think the position would be assessed and they'd be given the time to field a team which will not put the players at risk or risk the credibility of the competition. I'm sure Tyrone would understand and act accordingly - probably without much of the whinging that has gone on this past few weeks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 07:29:58 PM
I did think Mickey Harte staying on this last 2-3 years was holding Tyrone back. There was the makings of a team that could have really challenged, if a new man (or men) came in. Granted, I didn't think they were ready just yet, nor did I think they'd win today. But I think it can be said the decision to get rid of Harte was the right call.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on August 28, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
THE GAA WERE TRULY CONNED by Logan and Dooher, shame on them!!!!

Ahh you'll get over it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 07:29:58 PM
I did think Mickey Harte staying on this last 2-3 years was holding Tyrone back. There was the makings of a team that could have really challenged, if a new man (or men) came in. Granted, I didn't think they were ready just yet, nor did I think they'd win today. But I think it can be said the decision to get rid of Harte was the right call.

Need to win the final for that statement to ring through. Harte has brought all of these players through, ground work was done under his watch and he had a very good record in All-Ireland finals however their 2017 team certainly wasn't ready to topple Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 28, 2021, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 28, 2021, 07:29:58 PM
I did think Mickey Harte staying on this last 2-3 years was holding Tyrone back. There was the makings of a team that could have really challenged, if a new man (or men) came in. Granted, I didn't think they were ready just yet, nor did I think they'd win today. But I think it can be said the decision to get rid of Harte was the right call.

Ah you are probably right but its not easy to cast aside a man who has brought the county such success. He'll be as happy as any Tyrone man tonight and deserves praise in keeping us at the top table and giving those lads the experiences they have. A change of voice may just be what was needed though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on August 28, 2021, 07:51:19 PM
Morgan is very erratic in goals. Kicks a wonder free and misses easier frees. The free he did scored before ht seemed to.have went to his head, as his kick outs in second half were really poor and trying to kick an outside of the foot pass that wasn't on was.

McShane was impressive as a sub. That could be the end for Peter Keane. Maybe David Moran and Gedney also
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 07:55:21 PM
McShane has to start the final, Tyrone only looked good when he came on. Morgan is real flaky, scored one of the great croke Park frees then missed 2 easy ones by his standards when they need him. McGeary been Tyrone best player this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 28, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 28, 2021, 07:55:21 PM
McShane has to start the final, Tyrone only looked good when he came on. Morgan is real flaky, scored one of the great croke Park frees then missed 2 easy ones by his standards when they need him. McGeary been Tyrone best player this year.

Agree McShane has to start. Mayo have a real conundrum on what to do with Aidan O'Shea.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: red hander on August 28, 2021, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 28, 2021, 07:51:19 PM
Morgan is very erratic in goals. Kicks a wonder free and misses easier frees. The free he did scored before ht seemed to.have went to his head, as his kick outs in second half were really poor and trying to kick an outside of the foot pass that wasn't on was.

McShane was impressive as a sub. That could be the end for Peter Keane. Maybe David Moran and Gedney also

Agree. He was brilliant in Ulster Final but dodgy enough today. Game was closer than it should have been, far, far too many mistakes to give away possession, cut that out and we'll be sucking diesel. Biggest lesson from today is that the so called experts know f**k all squared
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 28, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
The question nobody is asking do kerry get it to easy in munster
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: red hander on August 28, 2021, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 28, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
The question nobody is asking do kerry get it to easy in munster

For years the only team they had to beat to get into an all Ireland semi was Cork. And for 60-70% of the time that Cork team was crap.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: bannside on August 28, 2021, 09:01:42 PM
This one wil hurt Kerry more than any of the others. Tyrone masterclass. Set the trap in the league game, Kerry fell hiook line and sinker for it. It's either coming north again or Mayo will break their hoodoo. Win Win.

Dublin and Kerry defeated...who would have thought it!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 09:16:32 PM
Fantastic result today and one fella I would like to mention is Meyler.  Never rated him when he first appeared with Tyrone but has developed into one of their main men.  Nothing spectacular but gets through some work
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Will it ever end on August 28, 2021, 10:01:53 PM
It's not a mediocre Kerry team - Tyrone were phenomenal in defence today & a number of last ditch tackles - Kerry had plenty enough chances in the build up to take scores but opted to carry it further in search of goals - they'll be absolutely kicking themselves & disappointing they continually took that option.

Tyrone lived on the edge & felt the refereeing was in their favour but they done it & got away with it

Hell of a final with both teams surely fancying their chances
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 28, 2021, 09:45:29 PM
Without taking away from Tyrone's win, that is a mediocre Kerry team. People need to stop hyping teams when they have a decent league. It counts for absolutely nothing.

Well done to Tyrone. Honestly, I don't think they have improved from previous years. They just got a bit more rub of the green today than previous encounters. Their forward line had a terrible first half but they dug in and ground out a 50/50 battle.

I expect them to beat Mayo.

Poor attacking display from tyrone. Seemed more to focus on stopping kerry scoring which didn't really work. They need to trust their own forwards and get ball into the early.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Didn't really work, when was the last time kerry failed to score a goal in croker.  Banging them in for fun.  If they had been any more attack minded in that game kerry would definitely have scored as Tyrone rode their luck at times. All about getting the balance right and it was today
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 10:23:07 PM
Tommy Walsh is 33. When I see him come on, I realise how stuck Kerry are for impact subs. I can't think of a game where Tommy has offered anything to Kerry since he came back from Australia.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: red hander on August 28, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 28, 2021, 09:45:29 PM
Without taking away from Tyrone's win, that is a mediocre Kerry team. People need to stop hyping teams when they have a decent league. It counts for absolutely nothing.

Well done to Tyrone. Honestly, I don't think they have improved from previous years. They just got a bit more rub of the green today than previous encounters. Their forward line had a terrible first half but they dug in and ground out a 50/50 battle.

I expect them to beat Mayo.

Poor attacking display from tyrone. Seemed more to focus on stopping kerry scoring which didn't really work. They need to trust their own forwards and get ball into the early.

Focused on stopping Kerry, which didn't really didn't work?  Can I have what you're on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 28, 2021, 09:45:29 PM
Without taking away from Tyrone's win, that is a mediocre Kerry team. People need to stop hyping teams when they have a decent league. It counts for absolutely nothing.

Well done to Tyrone. Honestly, I don't think they have improved from previous years. They just got a bit more rub of the green today than previous encounters. Their forward line had a terrible first half but they dug in and ground out a 50/50 battle.

I expect them to beat Mayo.

Poor attacking display from tyrone. Seemed more to focus on stopping kerry scoring which didn't really work. They need to trust their own forwards and get ball into the early.

Eh???
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 10:49:15 PM
Any time that a team can set up to nullify the opposition's attacking threat, and score more themselves, renders any discussion about the merits or demerits of such a strategy rather meaningless?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 28, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 28, 2021, 09:45:29 PM
Without taking away from Tyrone's win, that is a mediocre Kerry team. People need to stop hyping teams when they have a decent league. It counts for absolutely nothing.

Well done to Tyrone. Honestly, I don't think they have improved from previous years. They just got a bit more rub of the green today than previous encounters. Their forward line had a terrible first half but they dug in and ground out a 50/50 battle.

I expect them to beat Mayo.

Poor attacking display from tyrone. Seemed more to focus on stopping kerry scoring which didn't really work. They need to trust their own forwards and get ball into the early.

Focused on stopping Kerry, which didn't really didn't work?  Can I have what you're on.

What I meant was tyrone were more concerned about stopping kerry than trusting their own forwards. Christ tyrone defense scored more in the first half than their forwards. It took about 45 minutes for McCurry to come into it.

Let's be honest kerry had about 3 or 4 clear goal chances. Only for some heroic defending they would have went in. You can't really on heoric defending every game to get you over the line.

For the final tyrone need to worry a bit less about the opposition and try to focus on their strengths, McCurry, mcshane, canavan, Bradley etc
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 28, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 28, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
How come so many Kerry players went down with cramp ? They had TWO WEEKS EXTRA to prepare !
can tell you're not that into your sport science

What's the scientific insight into it. Surely there has to be a reason why so many kerry players had it while so little tyrone player's
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: red hander on August 28, 2021, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2021, 10:23:07 PM
Tommy Walsh is 33. When I see him come on, I realise how stuck Kerry are for impact subs. I can't think of a game where Tommy has offered anything to Kerry since he came back from Australia.

2008. I rest my case.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:20:34 PM
Biggest joke in gaa sporting history. Farce
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 28, 2021, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:20:34 PM
Biggest joke in gaa sporting history. Farce

What? The hype around this Kerry team? Fully agree.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 28, 2021, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 11:15:12 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 28, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 28, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
How come so many Kerry players went down with cramp ? They had TWO WEEKS EXTRA to prepare !
can tell you're not that into your sport science

What's the scientific insight into it. Surely there has to be a reason why so many kerry players had it while so little tyrone player's

Kerry obviously hadn't the conditioning work done to the same level as Tyrone. That kind of work is done months ago and not in the weeks leading up to a semi final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2021, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:20:34 PM
Biggest joke in gaa sporting history. Farce

What? The hype around this Kerry team? Fully agree.

Hype. It was all Dublin to 2 weeks ago
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 11:35:32 PM
Jesus whoever wrote this piece needs to watch the game

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0828/1243341-kerry-tyrone-all-ireland-semi-final-croke-park/

Kerry lived off frees throughout the game and they are more or less saying they didn't get enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 28, 2021, 11:38:41 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2021, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:20:34 PM
Biggest joke in gaa sporting history. Farce

What? The hype around this Kerry team? Fully agree.

Hype. It was all Dublin to 2 weeks ago

Kerry were favourites before Dublin exited.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2021, 11:40:23 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 28, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Didn't really work, when was the last time kerry failed to score a goal in croker.  Banging them in for fun.  If they had been any more attack minded in that game kerry would definitely have scored as Tyrone rode their luck at times. All about getting the balance right and it was today
In their last championship game in Croke Park in the 2019 replay against Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 11:40:51 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 11:35:32 PM
Jesus whoever wrote this piece needs to watch the game

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0828/1243341-kerry-tyrone-all-ireland-semi-final-croke-park/

Kerry lived off frees throughout the game and they are more or less saying they didn't get enough.

Christ such nonsense. They can't give Tyrone credit at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GJL on August 28, 2021, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

You ok there wee man? 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 28, 2021, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 28, 2021, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 24, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Kerry -7 even money... fill your boots!

You ok there wee man? 🤣🤣🤣

Last I heard, he was looking for a new roof over his head!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 11:45:39 PM
Gavin Devlins comments yesterday were spot on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 28, 2021, 11:55:41 PM
Small ball, small ball, small ball is yer only man
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 28, 2021, 11:56:24 PM
Well done Tyrone. Super performance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 28, 2021, 11:56:24 PM
Well done Tyrone. Super performance.

GRMA Hound. Have no doubt you'll be back with renewed hunger next year. Talk of Dublin being finished is premature in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 29, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 28, 2021, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 28, 2021, 11:56:24 PM
Well done Tyrone. Super performance.

GRMA Hound. Have no doubt you'll be back with renewed hunger next year. Talk of Dublin being finished is premature in my opinion.
Well Dublin and Kerry will both be going all guns blazing to make amends next year. As will the runners up from this year. And there'll be a few others who realize it's time to be as brave as Tyrone and Mayo, as Dublin and Kerry are far from unbeatable when it's put up to them.
But now is not really the time to talk about 2022 when we've a very exciting, and wide open, 2021 final to look forward to.

Kerry actually battled really well after conceding that goal in ET, but Tyrone were tremendous. When every man gives everything he has and you come out on top of a tight game against a very good team, there is no better feeling. Enjoy tonight and the next two weeks!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 12:52:32 AM
I think we can safely say Kieran McGeary is nailed on All-Star!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 12:52:32 AM
I think we can safely say Kieran McGeary is nailed on All-Star!

Huge shout for player of the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 29, 2021, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 12:52:32 AM
I think we can safely say Kieran McGeary is nailed on All-Star!

Huge shout for player of the year.
It will be all based on the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 08:10:52 AM
Normal time, additional time and extra time a Covid ravaged Tyrone gave Kerry nearly 100 mins to beat them and they couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. That's on Kerry. They can have no excuses. Tyrone the better team. More energy, more commitment. Kerry far to reliant on Clifford. A one man team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 29, 2021, 08:47:12 AM
Come on Tyrone , we are going to bring the Sam Maguire home , diddly de diddly da
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Walter Cronc on August 29, 2021, 09:01:53 AM
I think Kerry really have to look at themselves. Keane should get the road. Playing Sean O'Shea closer to goal hasn't worked as they've lost his effectiveness in the middle third. Kerry have some serious problem at midfield. Perhaps O'Connor can go there but Moran past it and Barry not physical enough. Congrats to Tyrone. Hope Mayo win it but Tyrone will be around for a while!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
Thought Kerry got a lot of soft frees close to goal. They went down very easy. Stephen O'Brien especially. Tyrone bate 16 men in reality. And with 14 men for most of 2nd half. Ref kept Kerry in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 29, 2021, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 29, 2021, 09:01:53 AM
I think Kerry really have to look at themselves. Keane should get the road. Playing Sean O'Shea closer to goal hasn't worked as they've lost his effectiveness in the middle third. Kerry have some serious problem at midfield. Perhaps O'Connor can go there but Moran past it and Barry not physical enough. Congrats to Tyrone. Hope Mayo win it but Tyrone will be around for a while!

Kerry have some serious problem at midfield?

Do you watch the match at all?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Sportacus on August 29, 2021, 09:49:34 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
Thought Kerry got a lot of soft frees close to goal. They went down very easy. Stephen O'Brien especially. Tyrone bate 16 men in reality. And with 14 men for most of 2nd half. Ref kept Kerry in it.
I thought the exact opposite.  Who'd be a ref.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 29, 2021, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
Thought Kerry got a lot of soft frees close to goal. They went down very easy. Stephen O'Brien especially. Tyrone bate 16 men in reality. And with 14 men for most of 2nd half. Ref kept Kerry in it.

Keep taking the tablets, maybe up the dose.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: TMAC on August 29, 2021, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
Thought Kerry got a lot of soft frees close to goal. They went down very easy. Stephen O'Brien especially. Tyrone bate 16 men in reality. And with 14 men for most of 2nd half. Ref kept Kerry in it.

Keep taking the tablets, maybe up the dose.

Kerry's diving antics would make you wanna stab your eyes out. Unwatchable.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 09:59:16 AM
There will be questions as to why they granted the extra week to Tyrone now. There was much talk in the media of them needing the game in preparation for the final. By inference that was being totally dismissive of Tyrone and perhaps they weren't ready for the war of attrition attitude that Tyrone brought.

Whatever the reason they looked both physically and mentally shot and devoid of any real leadership on the pitch.

Winning 5 minor titles in a row and looking good in the League guarantees nothing and it certainly doesn't prepare you for what Tyrone brought to the table yesterday. It was down in the trenches stuff at times and Kerry were found wanting. Once Kerry didn't take advantage of the Sludden black card and push on, I always feared for them in a tight finish. They have been mentally weak in the Dublin drawn final of 2019 and the Cork match last year. Yesterday was just another scar.

One thing that was baffling was the amount of Kerry players going down with cramp. Physically they look to have bulked up this year yet many of their players blew up before the game was finished.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TMAC on August 29, 2021, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: TMAC on August 29, 2021, 09:51:33 AM
Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 09:10:09 AM
Thought Kerry got a lot of soft frees close to goal. They went down very easy. Stephen O'Brien especially. Tyrone bate 16 men in reality. And with 14 men for most of 2nd half. Ref kept Kerry in it.

Keep taking the tablets, maybe up the dose.

Kerry's diving antics would make you wanna stab your eyes out. Unwatchable.

Have you all got for first day back, hear those scientific calculators are hard to come by.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: sensethetone on August 29, 2021, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee
Just turning up mentality cost Kerry a goal when they tried to show boat the ball into the net..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 29, 2021, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee
Just turning up mentality cost Kerry a goal when they tried to show boat the ball into the net..

That was a shocking piece of positional awareness by O'Brien. All he had to do was step half a metre back, schoolboy error.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 10:51:53 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee

Maybe they saw the Kerry v Mayo AIF thread on here  ;D ;D ;D

Everyone had them as title favourites after they beat Clare and Tipperary. It was hilarious, none of us up here believed it. It was absolute madness to write Tyrone off this summer after some of the performances throughout the championship. We would have beaten Dublin as well had the draw went that way.

Hugely proud of the team yesterday. Dooher/Logan proving to be a formidable force and they've instilled some lovely football. With a few years left in McShane, McKenna, McGeary and of course Canavan we'll be there or thereabouts for a while.

Peter Keane complaining of his teams preparation being disrupted is really galling and shows a complete lack of awareness of the Tyrone situation these last few weeks. Tyrone only had 20 at training less than two weeks ago.

If Tyrone do go on to win Sam we will have beaten Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo along the way. What an achievement that would be!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 10:51:53 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee

Maybe they saw the Kerry v Mayo AIF thread on here  ;D ;D ;D

Everyone had them as title favourites after they beat Clare and Tipperary. It was hilarious, none of us up here believed it. It was absolute madness to write Tyrone off this summer after some of the performances throughout the championship. We would have beaten Dublin as well had the draw went that way.

Hugely proud of the team yesterday. Dooher/Logan proving to be a formidable force and they've instilled some lovely football. With a few years left in McShane, McKenna, McGeary and of course Canavan we'll be there or thereabouts for a while.

Peter Keane complaining of his teams preparation being disrupted is really galling and shows a complete lack of awareness of the Tyrone situation these last few weeks. Tyrone only had 20 at training less than two weeks ago.

If Tyrone do go on to win Sam we will have beaten Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo along the way. What an achievement that would be!

More proof if it ever were needed that Kerry won lots of easy All Irelands.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 12:15:49 PM
I don't see how that's proof of anything. Strolling through your province doesn't prepare you for tough games. If you stroll through the province and then the other games after your province then you are too good. That doesn't tell you it was a easy all Ireland. It tells you you're better than anyone else. If other teams are near your level and have tougher games getting there then you get a shock in these games. Dublin 2012 and Kerry in a few instances have got this. If anything Munster being easy has probably cost Kerry all Irelands.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 29, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 29, 2021, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee
Just turning up mentality cost Kerry a goal when they tried to show boat the ball into the net..

That was a shocking piece of positional awareness by O'Brien. All he had to do was step half a metre back, schoolboy error.
As bad as the positioning for O'Brien was, why o'shea didn't just roll it in with the left i'll never know. i'd imagine most club forwards would have backed themselves in that position 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on August 29, 2021, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 09:59:16 AM
There will be questions as to why they granted the extra week to Tyrone now. There was much talk in the media of them needing the game in preparation for the final. By inference that was being totally dismissive of Tyrone and perhaps they weren't ready for the war of attrition attitude that Tyrone brought.

Whatever the reason they looked both physically and mentally shot and devoid of any real leadership on the pitch.

Winning 5 minor titles in a row and looking good in the League guarantees nothing and it certainly doesn't prepare you for what Tyrone brought to the table yesterday. It was down in the trenches stuff at times and Kerry were found wanting. Once Kerry didn't take advantage of the Sludden black card and push on, I always feared for them in a tight finish. They have been mentally weak in the Dublin drawn final of 2019 and the Cork match last year. Yesterday was just another scar.

One thing that was baffling was the amount of Kerry players going down with cramp. Physically they look to have bulked up this year yet many of their players blew up before the game was finished.

Ffs let it go. A fit Kerry team played a fit Tyrone team. There was no advantage to either team on the day and Kerry lost. This bollocks about their preparations being disrupted is ridiculous in comparison to Tyrone's preparation. If anything yesterday proved the GAA absolutely correct to give Tyrone the extra week and the creditably of the championship is intact. You'd think some people wanted Kerry to have the advantage of playing a team who had severe health issues and didn't fancy the challenge of a fully fit, raring to go Tyrone team. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 29, 2021, 12:51:47 PM
Has it been medically proven you can't be fully fit 2 weeks after you have suffered the virus?
Players were playing yesterday who had the virus but luckily got over it and were able to take a full part. Why do people think they should have struggled yesterday even when they had got over it ?

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 29, 2021, 01:16:07 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 29, 2021, 12:51:47 PM
Has it been medically proven you can't be fully fit 2 weeks after you have suffered the virus?
Players were playing yesterday who had the virus but luckily got over it and were able to take a full part. Why do people think they should have struggled yesterday even when they had got over it ?
Tyrone posters were posting articles on here showing how athletes took months to regain pre covid fitness levels. Probably all been deleted by now  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 29, 2021, 01:16:07 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 29, 2021, 12:51:47 PM
Has it been medically proven you can't be fully fit 2 weeks after you have suffered the virus?
Players were playing yesterday who had the virus but luckily got over it and were able to take a full part. Why do people think they should have struggled yesterday even when they had got over it ?
Tyrone posters were posting articles on here showing how athletes took months to regain pre covid fitness levels. Probably all been deleted by now  :-X

Nothing has been deleted. There is ample evidence that it can take months, do you deny this?
Imagine if Tyrone had been able to train properly as a team this last few weeks, we'd have won comfortably.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on August 29, 2021, 01:35:07 PM
Whatever about covid issues if Kerry cant beat that Tyrone team thats on them. Too arrogant and thought they just had to show up. Hopefully Mayo wont make the same mistake.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: whitey on August 29, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 12:15:49 PM
I don't see how that's proof of anything. Strolling through your province doesn't prepare you for tough games. If you stroll through the province and then the other games after your province then you are too good. That doesn't tell you it was a easy all Ireland. It tells you you're better than anyone else. If other teams are near your level and have tougher games getting there then you get a shock in these games. Dublin 2012 and Kerry in a few instances have got this. If anything Munster being easy has probably cost Kerry all Irelands.

Strolling through your province usually means you have a full squad for the final-ie no one gets injured in tough games leading in to the penultimate stage
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
It also means no proper competitive games and you are not as sharp. There have been various examples of being caught short here when the team having it easy didn't know what had hit them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on August 29, 2021, 01:57:50 PM
There's plenty of the sour grapes from some Kerry supporters and former players etc. It's crazy how it all started. An intense performance by a great and young team in 2003 dominated and beat a complacent Kerry team. We had been close to All-Irelands and it was our first, but they wanted to diminish that. Kerry have 37 All-Irelands, they should be more magnanimous. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of eejit Tyrone supporters too, but I don't think there was the same level of sour grapes from any Tyrone media or commentator after the many times Kerry have beaten us in the championship since 2008. I think some of Tyrone's reaction to Kerry comes from being treated very condescendingly and expected to koktow to the 'aristocratcs'. I think Spillane in the 80s said Tyrone had loads of good looking women and maybe if we sent some down to Kerry to distract them we would have a better chance of winning the AI. Aswell, every time Tyrone have beaten Kerry they have been wrote off by the media and expected to be beaten by Kerry's individual brilliance. In my opinion the Tyrone team that lined out in 2005 had better individual forwards than Kerry.

I think this could be the start of another great rivalry between the teams and it was definitely one of the sweetest wins and the most sweet since 2008!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 02:12:15 PM
For me Tyrone were just better in 2005. In 2008 it took a massive performance to win and I don't think ten out of ten times they would have won but in 2005 they were just better all over. 2003 I would say they probably were too but it gets overlooked when videos of the manic tackling are rolled out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 29, 2021, 02:13:58 PM
Still hard to believe Tyrone won that game. I posted yesterday that Tyrone were very much in transition under new management and that new management having a very challenging first year in charge due to Covid. Very hard to build a new side and get your ideas across when you couldn't train together even for months, then have a very short league campaign. On top of that, injury has meant they haven't been able to get McShane and Canavan starting and as integral to the team as they surely planned. Still working out how best to employ McKenna too. I couldn't see how they could win.

Then we played 20 minutes with 14. We struggled to win our own kick outs. Morgan did his usual mix of sublime and ridiculous. And yet we won. The tackling was fantastic. We kept going when things weren't going our way. We handled the spells with 14 superbly. When the goal chances came we were clinical. The team did play without fear, something that I feel wasn't the case for Mickey's team in recent seasons.

Tyrone are still in transition and it should be possible to get more from that team as time goes on, but that victory is huge after so many years of losing big games. A final I just didn't expect to be in and one to savour.

Kerry can have no reasonable complaints, for the reasons listed above they simply should not have been losing to Tyrone at the moment.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on August 29, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 02:12:15 PM
For me Tyrone were just better in 2005. In 2008 it took a massive performance to win and I don't think ten out of ten times they would have won but in 2005 they were just better all over. 2003 I would say they probably were too but it gets overlooked when videos of the manic tackling are rolled out.

The big misnomer of the manic tackling videos are that it's Kerry being pressed really high up the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 02:32:58 PM
Yeah those videos seem to overshadow sometimes the footballing ability in that team. The forward line that year were fantastic.

Same way as 2011 against Dublin seems to overshadow the fact that Donegal played great football to win the ai under mcguinness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: larryin89 on August 29, 2021, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
It also means no proper competitive games and you are not as sharp. There have been various examples of being caught short here when the team having it easy didn't know what had hit them.

yeah really took a hold of dublin the last 10 years for example
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on August 29, 2021, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 29, 2021, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
It also means no proper competitive games and you are not as sharp. There have been various examples of being caught short here when the team having it easy didn't know what had hit them.

yeah really took a hold of dublin the last 10 years for example

At the end of the day, if you're good enough the easy provincial run won't bother you. In 2012 and 2013 we had no serious challenge in connacht, yet it didn't bother us in the all Ireland quarter/semi finals.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 29, 2021, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 29, 2021, 03:11:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
It also means no proper competitive games and you are not as sharp. There have been various examples of being caught short here when the team having it easy didn't know what had hit them.

yeah really took a hold of dublin the last 10 years for example

You could say they had a quarter final/super 8s  to play in those years (except last) so they did not jump directly into a semi final from province
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: whitey on August 29, 2021, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
It also means no proper competitive games and you are not as sharp. There have been various examples of being caught short here when the team having it easy didn't know what had hit them.

It was said during the 80s that the toughest games of football in the country were the "backs and forwards" games played at Kerry training sessions
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on August 29, 2021, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 28, 2021, 11:35:32 PM
Jesus whoever wrote this piece needs to watch the game

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0828/1243341-kerry-tyrone-all-ireland-semi-final-croke-park/

Kerry lived off frees throughout the game and they are more or less saying they didn't get enough.

Tyrone blind hypersensitivity to the fore. The article alludes to no such thing,
"Referee David Coldrick's laissez faire, defender-friendly interpretation of the tackle area didn't exactly suit them (Kerry) in the circumstances and their forwards spent much of the first half with their arms out-stretched in plaintive pose - their supporters likewise.
However, they had their own decision-making to blame, in large part.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Eire90 on August 29, 2021, 07:14:00 PM
what was odds for a kerry win prematch
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 07:27:13 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 29, 2021, 07:14:00 PM
what was odds for a kerry win prematch

1/8. Tyrone were 6/1.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 10:12:14 PM
Not a word on TSG re the 2 x disputable black cards. McGeary getting taken out after playing the final ball for the first Tyrone goal was the most obvious black in the game under the rules but never mentioned?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
No that was shocking....

Jack Barry tripped a player and was a blatant black.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
O'Se not a Peter Keane fan I am getting...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 10:36:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
O'Se not a Peter Keane fan I am getting...

The knives are out. Losing to Tyrone is a cardinal sin for a Kerry manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on August 29, 2021, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 10:12:14 PM
Not a word on TSG re the 2 x disputable black cards. McGeary getting taken out after playing the final ball for the first Tyrone goal was the most obvious black in the game under the rules but never mentioned?
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Yeah there was a very obvious but quick trip on a tyrone player in the first half. Kerry player was on the ground and hand tripped a tyrone player in front of the ref but nothing happen. Thought that was a clear black card. It happened in the tyrone half but it was still a clear trip.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 29, 2021, 10:45:03 PM
Yep. Thought I saw the hand trip in the ground too. Black cards when it suits
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 29, 2021, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

No, in real time at the game I couldn't believe they fucked that up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
O'Se not a Peter Keane fan I am getting...

That was fairly damning from Tomas O'Se. The knives are firmly out and there are plenty of Kerry ex players currently working in media roles who will add to it in the coming days.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 29, 2021, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
No that was shocking....

Jack Barry tripped a player and was a blatant black.

23 minutes in Barry tripped Hampsey. 16 minutes in Clifford senior dragged down Meyler in a tackle that was a textbook black card.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 29, 2021, 11:45:13 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 29, 2021, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
No that was shocking....

Jack Barry tripped a player and was a blatant black.

23 minutes in Barry tripped Hampsey. 16 minutes in Clifford senior dragged down Meyler in a tackle that was a textbook black card.

Gavin White  body check on McGeary on first goal. Stephen O'Brien grabbing players and pulling to ground and Coldrick gave him the free.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 29, 2021, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 29, 2021, 11:45:13 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 29, 2021, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
No that was shocking....

Jack Barry tripped a player and was a blatant black.

23 minutes in Barry tripped Hampsey. 16 minutes in Clifford senior dragged down Meyler in a tackle that was a textbook black card.

Gavin White  body check on McGeary on first goal. Stephen O'Brien grabbing players and pulling to ground and Coldrick gave him the free.

I thought the White one was just dirty more than black cardable.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 29, 2021, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 29, 2021, 11:45:13 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 29, 2021, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
No that was shocking....

Jack Barry tripped a player and was a blatant black.

23 minutes in Barry tripped Hampsey. 16 minutes in Clifford senior dragged down Meyler in a tackle that was a textbook black card.

Gavin White  body check on McGeary on first goal. Stephen O'Brien grabbing players and pulling to ground and Coldrick gave him the free.

I thought the White one was just dirty more than black cardable.

Wasn't much different from McCurry on Crowley.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Gold on August 30, 2021, 01:31:49 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

Absolutely incredible.

Kerry woman I was with was raging he was starting "too fast for his mind he is, totally headless"
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 11:03:50 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/typically-thorny-tyrone-tear-up-the-prescribed-all-ireland-script-1.4659158

It was at this point that one of the questioners started to bring up vaccinations. Which was the cue for Brian Dooher, sat to Logan's right and looking at the age of 46 like he could have put in a tidy hour at wing-forward, to start to get cranky.
"Look, hold on a minute," he interjected. "Can I say something here? If this is coming at us to attack us here, which seems to be heading that direction. I'm not here . . .. We made a decision based on medical advice relevant to what happened and where we were. The medical advice was that we weren't fit to field. We were told that.
"So I have a duty of care to those players next door to me. People mightn't think that but was I going to put them out and [what if] something happened? I said no I'm not, I'd take the hit. And we were getting it [hassle] from the players for doing that. They weren't happy I pulled their championship on them.
"I don't want to get into this here now. But there's been a kind of a slant here that we've tried to pull a fast one here. It was a factual thing based on the evidence. I don't want to get into this here but if that's the way this is going – which it seems to be listening to it – I'm in the wrong place."
With that, Dooher was up and he was gone. Tyrone to the bone.
And in the final.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: armaghniac on August 30, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
If Tyrone don't want to see as pulling a fast one, then publish the numbers of people with Covid, the numbers isolating, the dates involved etc. If the public has to rely on rumour then they will think the worst.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 30, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
If Tyrone don't want to see as pulling a fast one, then publish the numbers of people with Covid, the numbers isolating, the dates involved etc. If the public has to rely on rumour then they will think the worst.
Tyrone provided the relevant evidence to the GAA.  If people want to speculate wildly, that's up to them but as Dooher said they won't respond to any such nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 23, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: In hiding on August 23, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
Is there a game happening on Saturday ?

There sure is. I'm really looking forward to Saturday now with the minor game on and the semi final. Great day for Tyrone GAA.

As for Tyrone's chances, let's be honest they were never great. Kerry gave us a hiding in the league and while I don't think we were ever in danger of that being repeated we were always going in as heavy underdogs. This covid situation has been a nightmare for everyone involved, Kerry (fair play to them for being accommodating) having to wait so long since the Munster final and Tyrone for the fact that training has been totally disrupted and there's a chance boys might not be at 100%, although that's of set to some degree by the fact other lads like McKenna and McShane have had more time to get up to speed.

This is the first year I can remember watching Tyrone where I can honestly say we've had the rub of the green from refs in all the games. Obviously a few big decisions have gone against us but that happens and on balance I think we've had more go for us. We're absolutely going to need that to continue to happen this weekend for us to have any chance at all. I'm worried Gough will be overly fussy about our defending and be card happy. We're screwed if so, hard enough to compete with Kerry with 15 men on the field, we can't afford any black or red cards at any point.

Do Tyrone have a chance? Of course they do. On their day they are more than capable of beating a fancied Kerry team. In 2008 we were total outsiders and we were facing a massive threat from brilliant Kerry forwards. We managed to nullify them then and it's possible it can happen. Tyrone do have to firepower to cause Kerry serious problems too if they can keep solid at the back. We just need to get plenty of really good quick ball in and perhaps for once we can not butcher every goal chance we get.

Not having beat a Kerry, Dublin or Mayo team since 2008 is a big monkey to shake off our back. It's a tall order but can be done.

Prediction

Kerry to be about 5 up at half time, Tyrone to come back at them but someone to make an idiotic challenge and get a black or red then Kerry to pull up comfortably in the end. I hope I'm wrong!!!!

Haha I got a lot of this wrong anyway but some of it right.

- We did manage to nullify most of the Kerry forwards. Clifford is just a joy to watch, the lad is just too good.
- We managed to take every goal chance that we got, that was ultimately the winning of the game for us.
- The fact no one is talking about the ref after the game from either camp would tell me he's done a good job. Our first black was exactly the kind of brainless challenge I mentioned above that we needed to avoid. I thought the McCurry one was maybe a bit harsh but by the letter of the law etc. Maybe Kerry should have had one for a deliberate trip but it was int he build up to our first goal anyway so who knows, had the ref called that back we might not have won the game.
- Our quick ball in which I thought would be vital didn't work all game and that's something we really need to look at improving. The forwards just couldn't get it to stick and the Kerry back line which took some stick coming into this game manned up well there with Moran helping them well.
- Our running game was what we got most of our scores from which was surprising. Kerry seemed to have planned very well for the long pass but not at all for the runners coming in waves.
- What do we do with Morgan?? Exceptional place kicking int eh first half and dreadful after that. I don't blame him for us not winning our kick outs as much as others have done, he put the ball where it was intended, Kerry just won more breaks than us.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 30, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
If Tyrone don't want to see as pulling a fast one, then publish the numbers of people with Covid, the numbers isolating, the dates involved etc. If the public has to rely on rumour then they will think the worst.

f**k off. Publish numbers. It's private medical information.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

O'Brien isn't the cleverest by the looks of it. He should enter the Olympics next time out. His diving antics would make ye sick.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 29, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
O'Se not a Peter Keane fan I am getting...

Whatever about Peter Keane the Kerry management would want to look at the fitness coach. They weren't fit. The amount of Kerry players down with cramp was almost in double figures. They were no were near fit enough for that match on Saturday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on August 30, 2021, 03:57:19 PM
Maybe Kerry complied with the GAA no training directive in the early months of the year?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 30, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
Maybe Tyrone did though?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2021, 03:57:19 PM
Maybe Kerry complied with the GAA no training directive in the early months of the year?

You could still train individually. Either way it takes about 4 weeks to get an Inter County player fit. That work should've been done when Munster Championship restarted. You're only maintaining after that. The S&C coach got it badly badly wrong. They were getting rubbed midway through the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 30, 2021, 04:02:58 PM
I was genuinely delighted that Tyrone stuffed the yerras.Nothing to do with the fact that Mayo will be facing them in the final.
But I was chuffed that PeterKeane got his comeuppance good and proper.
I thought his cack-handed sympathies to Tytrone after the slaughter in the last league game in Killarney was a classic example of sarcasm at its finest.
He complimented Tyrone, IIRC, by saying if you take out the goals, all six (five?) of them, there really wasn't much between the sides. (Or something like that!)
Then and now, the man is an arrogant bollix  and I was praying that Tyrone would wipe the smirk off his puss.
For me, September 11 is a different matter entirely as I'm Mayo and proud of it but Keane and Kerry fans in general need a good sickening once in  while.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

O'Brien isn't the cleverest by the looks of it. He should enter the Olympics next time out. His diving antics would make ye sick.

If one player on a team diving makes you sick, how do you think other counties view Tyrone? Welping and the cocking the head back upon contact seems to be an art form perfected by quite a few
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Dire Ear on August 30, 2021, 04:11:03 PM
Bitterness weakens your soul.......
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 30, 2021, 04:11:03 PM
Bitterness weakens your soul.......

Zero bitterness pointing out the hypocrisy of a Tyrone man lambasting an opponent for diving, zero
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on August 30, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 30, 2021, 04:02:58 PM
I was genuinely delighted that Tyrone stuffed the yerras.Nothing to do with the fact that Mayo will be facing them in the final.
But I was chuffed that PeterKeane got his comeuppance good and proper.
I thought his cack-handed sympathies to Tytrone after the slaughter in the last league game in Killarney was a classic example of sarcasm at its finest.
He complimented Tyrone, IIRC, by saying if you take out the goals, all six (five?) of them, there really wasn't much between the sides. (Or something like that!)
Then and now, the man is an arrogant bollix  and I was praying that Tyrone would wipe the smirk off his puss.
For me, September 11 is a different matter entirely as I'm Mayo and proud of it but Keane and Kerry fans in general need a good sickening once in  while.

I think that he actually believes that some people suck up that sort of guff. Its just disingenuous nonsense. Maybe Tyrone had the last laugh though as they went for pints before that match, had a morning gym session and then went for a park run on the morning of that meaningless match.

I'm not sure if it is arrogance but I can't take anything he says very seriously, he definitely doesn't do honesty anyway.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 30, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Anyone hear Joe Duffy/liveline today?

I didn't but apparently some lad on giving out spades about paddypower. They refused to pay him for his big bet (€5,000 he was claiming to have "won" I believe) on Tyrone to win by 1-3 points!  ;D

(For those not familiar with betting, match betting and handicap betting for GAA, soccer and rugby is always just to normal time)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Anyone hear Joe Duffy/liveline today?

I didn't but apparently some lad on giving out spades about paddypower. They refused to pay him for his big bet (€5,000 he was claiming to have "won" I believe) on Tyrone to win by 1-3 points!  ;D

(For those not familiar with betting, match betting and handicap betting for GAA, soccer and rugby is always just to normal time)

I dunno did he put the bet on in the shop or online, but online it literally says "FYI - Applies to 70 mins only." at the top of every section.



Edit: They also have an option - To win the cup which would mean a win in extra time or pens also is covered but a score prediction like that is always 70mins like you said.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Look-Up! on August 30, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
Fair play to both teams, I thought it was a fantastic contest. Always felt Tyrone would need a few goals to be pushing and they got them. Kerry will be disappointed especially with the 3rd one which was really poor from their point of view. There'll be plenty of recriminations down there now I'm sure, but from a neutral POV I though they got plenty right in the game but lacked the little bit of luck you always need. Absolutely destroyed Tyrone on the kick outs and the missed goal was a huge turning point. Clifford going off was a blow but they rallied in the final ET period and nearly brought it to penalties. Tommy Walsh done the right thing at the end, there were too many Kerry forwards passing the buck and someone needed to take the bull by the horns. Probably the wrong man at the right time, kickable but contact with the ball was horrible, but again as I said they needed to get a score and no one was taking responsibility.

Fantastic effort by Tyrone, their players really put their bodies on the line. They made plenty of mistakes and struggled in some aspects but they really made hay with their turnovers and punished the Kerry forwards tendency to over run the ball. Put some beautiful moves together for their scores.

All in all it was terrific entertainment for the neutral and it really would have been a shame if COVID had robbed us of that. A bye to the final would have done Kerry no good either so they should be commended for their sporting and pragmatic decision to give the extra week. Was disappointed with Spillane's antics, doubt very much he represents the vast majority of Kerry people. It's been a difficult 18 months for everyone and not everything nowadays needs to have some giant conspiracy behind it. He should lay off bigging-up his nephew too and putting extra pressure on him. Looked like a lad with too much to prove when he came on and was guilty of over doing it and getting turned over too much. Confidence then took a rattle and he faded.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on August 30, 2021, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 30, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Anyone hear Joe Duffy/liveline today?

I didn't but apparently some lad on giving out spades about paddypower. They refused to pay him for his big bet (€5,000 he was claiming to have "won" I believe) on Tyrone to win by 1-3 points!  ;D

(For those not familiar with betting, match betting and handicap betting for GAA, soccer and rugby is always just to normal time)

I dunno did he put the bet on in the shop or online, but online it literally says "FYI - Applies to 70 mins only." at the top of every section.



Edit: They also have an option - To win the cup which would mean a win in extra time or pens also is covered but a score prediction like that is always 70mins like you said.
Thats just people putting on bets that don't understand the rules
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Kickham csc on August 30, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

O'Brien isn't the cleverest by the looks of it. He should enter the Olympics next time out. His diving antics would make ye sick.

If one player on a team diving makes you sick, how do you think other counties view Tyrone? Welping and the cocking the head back upon contact seems to be an art form perfected by quite a few

You mean like Johnny McGurk in the 90's
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on August 30, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2021, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Cobra on August 30, 2021, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM
Am I the only one still struggling to get over the fact that a Kerry inter county player butchered a certain goal by walking into the square ahead of the ball arriving and then handling the ball on the ground to push it into an empty net in case the umpires missed the square ball. If a 12 year old did it in a game you would be tearing your hair out. In such a tight match it cost them the game.

O'Brien isn't the cleverest by the looks of it. He should enter the Olympics next time out. His diving antics would make ye sick.

If one player on a team diving makes you sick, how do you think other counties view Tyrone? Welping and the cocking the head back upon contact seems to be an art form perfected by quite a few

You mean like Johnny McGurk in the 90's

Yeah, go back decade's to find our Johnny, most counties has a culprit. Tyrone has at least half a dozen elite head cockers.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:20:57 PM
This must count as the most significant Tyrone win in a decade.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on August 30, 2021, 05:44:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2021, 05:20:57 PM
This must count as the most significant Tyrone win in a decade.

It really does feel like it here. It is nice to be able to throw off the age old "haven't beaten Kerry/Dublin/Mayo in the championship since 2008" mantra.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: FearAnFhírinne on August 30, 2021, 06:05:56 PM
Fair play to Tyrone  - I genuinely didn't think they would be able to recover sufficiently to challenge Kerry, but they certainly did.
I was also genuinely surprised by the number of Kerry players going down with Cramp late in the game in start contrast to Tyrone.
Don't understand how the odds aren't closer between the finalists. I don't see Mayo as 4/6 favourites and Tyrone at 6/5 to lift the cup, I really think this should be a lot closer, but a lot of that is going to be based on where the money has gone, and I'd expect it to change in the run up to the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on August 30, 2021, 06:05:56 PM
Fair play to Tyrone  - I genuinely didn't think they would be able to recover sufficiently to challenge Kerry, but they certainly did.
I was also genuinely surprised by the number of Kerry players going down with Cramp late in the game in start contrast to Tyrone.
Don't understand how the odds aren't closer between the finalists. I don't see Mayo as 4/6 favourites and Tyrone at 6/5 to lift the cup, I really think this should be a lot closer, but a lot of that is going to be based on where the money has gone, and I'd expect it to change in the run up to the final.
That's an implied probability of .575 vs .425 which is fairly close. Bookies spread is 4.4% BTW.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: FearAnFhírinne on August 30, 2021, 06:05:56 PM
Fair play to Tyrone  - I genuinely didn't think they would be able to recover sufficiently to challenge Kerry, but they certainly did.
I was also genuinely surprised by the number of Kerry players going down with Cramp late in the game in start contrast to Tyrone.
Don't understand how the odds aren't closer between the finalists. I don't see Mayo as 4/6 favourites and Tyrone at 6/5 to lift the cup, I really think this should be a lot closer, but a lot of that is going to be based on where the money has gone, and I'd expect it to change in the run up to the final.

Very strange to see Kerry lads cramping.  Peter Keane let slip before Munster final they were training 7 months.  Did they burn themselves out? No team has matched Mayo fitness.  Incredible do building that fitness in 4 months. The WFH has been big boost to Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 30, 2021, 08:13:07 PM
I wonder how long Tyrone will persevere with Morgan hitting 45's and far out frees.  I would love to see his success percentage as he seems to miss 1 out of every 2/3.  Could have been costly against Monaghan and again yesterday.  Shouldn't be too hard to get a sharpshooter from a county the size of Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jim Bob on August 30, 2021, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 30, 2021, 08:13:07 PM
I wonder how long Tyrone will persevere with Morgan hitting 45's and far out frees.  I would love to see his success percentage as he seems to miss 1 out of every 2/3.  Could have been costly against Monaghan and again yesterday.  Shouldn't be too hard to get a sharpshooter from a county the size of Tyrone.

I think you are being generous with his success percentage. In 45s I reckon he has missed many more then he has scored ..over 50% I'd guess
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2021, 10:51:35 PM
Training 7/months, no team should have to more than 3 months leading to championship, u only burn players out, for what 5 or 6 games of fball at the most. Teams over train as amateurs. If the game was professional there only be a 2 month training lead in time like American fball or soccer.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on August 30, 2021, 10:56:56 PM
Players don't cramp in such games from a lack of fitness. They cramp because no matter how long, hard or smart you train, it's impossible to replicate a scenario whereby every single run you make, decision you make, turn you make, pass you make is done under exceptional physical and mental pressure.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: highorlow on August 30, 2021, 11:06:03 PM
Fair play to Tyrone, I did fancy ye.

Final will be down to the midfield battle.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 31, 2021, 04:09:06 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 19, 2021, 06:03:13 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 10:37:19 PM
Is there many Kerry posters left on here? Ball Hopper and??? Kerry Mike and Mike Sheehy long gone.

I'd say I'm on my own here, but don't post as often these days.  I have, however, seen nearly all the games this year and am looking forward to a great semi-final.  I'd say Kerry are looking to win in an old-fashioned shoot-out.  It might resemble the 1980 semi-final, 4-15 to 4-10, only 5 points of a win - but there was ever only going to be one winner.

Gavin Whyte and Conor McKenna could battle each other in some serious speed-work up and down one wing.


Cathal McShane, if near full fitness, could take Matt Connor's Offaly role from 1980.

How will Tyrone handle Paudie Clifford?  David Clifford has taken quite the fall from Best on Planet to Second in Your Own House, but will still cause problems.  Sean O'Shea will convert every free plus another few from play...but I think Paul Geaney scoring goals is the key.   Stopping the other three from feeding him is the challenge.  The Kerry forwards are very adept at close passing in very congested quarters before someone finally has room to swing a leg at it and it goes over the bar - Killian Spillane gets his few points this way in each game.

The Kerry corner backs, O'Beaglaoich and Tom O'Sullivan are well able to take scores, so allowing them to wander upfield (even if chasing their man) could prove interesting on the scoreboard.

But the real difference could well be Tommy Walsh and the mark in the final 20 minutes.  He could easily pick up 5 or 6 points without breaking a sweat if the likes of Diarmuid O'Connor and other subs like Adrian Spillane can steer reasonably flighted balls toward Tommy.

Kerry backs won't dominate and will do well if they get a "reasonable" ranking - that should mean enough ball for the Kerry forwards to do their thing.

Could Kerry do the unthinkable...and use a scubadoir, expecting 4 or 5 forwards to score enough at the other end?  Uncle Pat would have some fun talking about that.

The other noticeable thing about the Kerry players is their individual strength this year - rarely is anyone knocked off the ball and all are well able to take and give a shoulder.

Areas of concern - kick out strategy never tested; can David Moran last 50-55 mins; subs in the backs very similar to starters and probably won't improve the overall defending by much - Foley/Morley, O'Beaglaoich/Paul Murphy, Breen/Sherwood are some examples.  Keeper never really tested under high balls.

I'm looking forward to a run and gun trackmeet, where whatever set of backs is less porous than the other will win.

But there will be great scoring and I'm really looking forward to the Whyte/McKenna speed challenges, especially when they get to the fourth and fifth sprint of each half.

I'll stick with the goodguys, 4-15 to 4-10.

First off, sincere congratulations to the Tyrone team - what a magnificent display and worthy winners in what was a very good game to watch.

I've put a few bits in bold above that are very close to highlighting why Tyrone won or why Kerry did not.  Mind you, I've only watched the game once, and that with my green and gold tinted glasses, so I might be off a little in some instances - feel happy to correct me if needed.

One - Gavin White left Conor for dead in their first sprint...and Conor wisely wanted no more of that and kept his energy for more fruitful instances.  Gavin continued to demonstrate his speed...but he never really got anywhere, did he?

Two - Paul Geaney to get goals...well that didn't age too well, but in the name of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the wee donkey - how did he manage to not score when nothing but space between him and the net?  Passing the ball to a man in the square (foul one) who actually played it on the ground (foul 2).  Its rare to commit 2 fouls in one play with no opponent within yards.  O'Brien looked like he wanted a diving header, which at least would have changed foul number 2.   If Paul got that goal, I think Kerry would have won.

Three - Tommy Walsh to kick handy points from marks...he had a fairly easy chance to level it at the very end, but he looked tired and worn out in his effort.  It was a poor effort, but at least he put his hand up and took the shot.  Everyone else was hiding.  That's where the real men stand up.  Fair play to him.

Four - Can Kerry backs get a "reasonable" ranking?  I'd say they failed the test.  They were certainly the poorer set of defenders, but they didn't need to be great - reasonable would have been enough.  This unit failed miserably on the third goal...it was a midfielder contesting (loose use of the term) in a not very different play that won the game for Cork last year.

Five - scubadoir.  Maybe not needed, but a defender facing the ball at least for that third goal.

Six - area of concern...keeper should have contested ball for third goal maybe?  By way of comparison, Morgan had one high ball come in to him and he got there in plenty time and took out David Clifford in the process...that's how it's done.  David Moran was brilliant and the only call the Kerry management got right was calling him ashore when he was done.  And the Kerry subs did not contribute at all...too much like for like...backs not as physical as their direct opponents and Killian Spillane did not score, but he made a hero out of Peter Harte with a blockdown that Spillane should have punched over.  To make matters worse, the knock Harte took required medical attention that ate up time on black card number 2.  And keeper never tested under high ball until the ball came in for the third goal - even if it was a shot for a point, Shane Ryan should still have been dictating Kerry's response, if not taking charge himself and racing out to punch the ball away from a forward who was standing still.

Seven - and the scoreline at the end.  Tyrone had three goal chances, and took all three.  Nothing was forced, take your gifted opportunity and carry on.  Kerry were aware of their failings up to 2021 in the goal-scoring department and tried to fix it in one go.  But goals were never on - Tyrone backs never allowed enough space for a controlled shot and there were no wide spaces on the field for Kerry players to run into.  It's hard to imagine it was the same size field that Cork full back and half back lines gave up so much space in the hurling six days prior.  Tyrone's 3-14 wasn't too far off the 4-10 I was giving them, even if a good portion was from Kerry turnovers and flat-out poor play.  Kerry needed goals, created only once chance and should have opted for points on up to five other occasions, so I'll be generous to them and say at least 1-2 was left behind. 

So there you have it...the Kerry goalscorer I predicted didn't show up overall and missed a sitter.  Tyrone were very good - their play was so even throughout the field, with everybody playing hard and focused - but never out of control.   I suppose the "controlled aggression" of the noughties is back and is definitely a key in winning games.  Thought the black cards were harsh enough and the game was played in the proper spirit. 

David Clifford continues to be worth the price of admission alone - such a beautiful kicker - and Sean O'Shea was well marshalled with only one point from play.  David Moran and Paul Murphy also excelled, although I must wonder about Murphy's contribution to the number 6 position.  Thought Tyrone could have exploited him and Kerry with more direct runs up the wings and transferring the ball to the middle for the last 40 yards, rather than trying to come up the middle from a midfield launching pad.

Bottom line is Tyrone played exceptionally well and deserved their win.  Kerry could have snuck it, but it would not have been a fair reflection on the performance.

Hope all the Tyrone posters celebrate well and safely and I hope to make the next battle.

By the way, we can expect David Clifford to be posting in the Daddies thread soon, as he and his partner welcomed a baby boy to the Kingdom some time after the game.  Corner forward on the minor team of 2038 nailed on already - no expectations at all, lad.  I'm sure you all will join me in wishing hearty congrats from us all to him, Mum and baby.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on August 31, 2021, 10:15:31 AM
Fair play Ball Hopper, it was a tough one to lose. I think it is a classic case of the vanquished receiving too much criticism. It was an even game, a ding dong battle, that could have went either way.  Kerry had some great performances most noticably for the full back line, and Moran and Clifford till those races were won.  A few lads hid but that happens sometimes.  It was breathtakingly close. I also felt Kerry showed great character after Tyrone established their match winning lead.  I feel Tyrone need to improve substantially in the ff and midfield line to win against a tough tackling Mayo. Old moores almanac supposedly has predicted a Mayo win in 2021. Forget the all ireland final hang ups Mayo were deemed to have, this is a new Mayo team, on the back of their greatest ever win. They will be looking to kick down one last door, and to me the game is very much a fascinating 50/50. Early settlement of the players will make a huge difference, but I expect it to come down to the last 10. I also expect Tyrone to be very wary of letting Mayo build up a lead and a cagier battle. There is so much at stake here. To me it has the feeling of the 03 final, tense, tough and will come down to a single moment...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 31, 2021, 10:40:48 AM
Exactly to the criticism part. So much criticism for a team who lost by one point.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: gallsman on August 31, 2021, 11:06:34 AM
With all the talk of cramp, was there any word on what happened Clifford? Commentary kept referring to cramp but it happened after Morgan went through him (completely fairly) and connected, I think, with his hip. I had assumed dead leg but that didn't come up at all in any of the discussion of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on August 31, 2021, 11:16:40 AM
Excellent analysis BH.

Regarding Tommy Walsh. He always gets built up as a super sub / gamechanger, especially the last few years. Clearly getting built up like that is not his fault, but has ever delivered on this? Has he ever been a successful gamechanger?

I might be putting too much emphasis on recency bias, given his miss v Tyrone and his failure to clear that final high ball v Cork last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Halfquarter on August 31, 2021, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: gallsman on August 31, 2021, 11:06:34 AM
With all the talk of cramp, was there any word on what happened Clifford? Commentary kept referring to cramp but it happened after Morgan went through him (completely fairly) and connected, I think, with his hip. I had assumed dead leg but that didn't come up at all in any of the discussion of it.

When he was sitting in the stand , he had an ice pack on his thigh, so I'd say he got a clip going for the ball with Morgan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on August 31, 2021, 11:20:18 AM
Yeah there was a game the other year(and I can't even mind which game) he had a significant impact on. Tbh he is a good ball winner but a very poor kicker of the ball (I dunno if he was as bad pre australia) and you would expect him to win ball and layoff rather than going for points from out on the wing thirty yards out etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on August 31, 2021, 11:31:32 AM
I think this was the hill that Tyrone needed to get over to go to the next stage.

There's definitely more football and finesse to them than that match showed. There were some silly mistakes, but they came in with little on pitch prep and the match in general was chaotic, so it can be excused. Tyrone have put in big brave performances in recent years, but let it slip away before like Mayo in 2016 and Kerry in 2019.

I don't think I've seen Tyrone play a match, with such determination, heart and leaving absolutely everything on the field, in
quite some time.

Another thing which should we be noted was that although Tyrone got men back, they didn't sit off and concede everything outside the scoring zone as had been the case under the old management, they relentlessly pressured and harried Kerry all over the field.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: gallsman on August 31, 2021, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 31, 2021, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: gallsman on August 31, 2021, 11:06:34 AM
With all the talk of cramp, was there any word on what happened Clifford? Commentary kept referring to cramp but it happened after Morgan went through him (completely fairly) and connected, I think, with his hip. I had assumed dead leg but that didn't come up at all in any of the discussion of it.

When he was sitting in the stand , he had an ice pack on his thigh, so I'd say he got a clip going for the ball with Morgan.

He definitely got it when Morgan beat him to the ball. My point is that an impact injury like that (I think from Morgan's hip) far more likely to be a dead leg than cramp. A dead leg has nothing to do with conditioning.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
He must have had cramp as well as he seemingly asked Morgan for assistance after the clash.  Unless Morgan just lifted his leg when Clifford was laying in a heap.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on August 31, 2021, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on August 31, 2021, 11:31:32 AM
I think this was the hill that Tyrone needed to get over to go to the next stage.

There's definitely more football and finesse to them than that match showed. There were some silly mistakes, but they came in with little on pitch prep and the match in general was chaotic, so it can be excused. Tyrone have put in big brave performances in recent years, but let it slip away before like Mayo in 2016 and Kerry in 2019.

I don't think I've seen Tyrone play a match, with such determination, heart and leaving absolutely everything on the field, in
quite some time.

Another thing which should we be noted was that although Tyrone got men back, they didn't sit off and concede everything outside the scoring zone as had been the case under the old management, they relentlessly pressured and harried Kerry all over the field.
One thing that should be said and is now hypothetical, is how much better Tyrone would have been had the camp not been ravaged by covid.  They made loads of technical mistakes but their will to win was at such a level as emphasisied by Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Cobra on August 31, 2021, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
He must have had cramp as well as he seemingly asked Morgan for assistance after the clash.  Unless Morgan just lifted his leg when Clifford was laying in a heap.

Ahhy he must've had cramp as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 31, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Clifford cramped up in Munster early in year too. Think was against Clare.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on August 31, 2021, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
He must have had cramp as well as he seemingly asked Morgan for assistance after the clash.  Unless Morgan just lifted his leg when Clifford was laying in a heap.

The dirty Tyrone hoor was trying to make the dead leg worse!!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TabClear on August 31, 2021, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: Jayop on August 31, 2021, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
He must have had cramp as well as he seemingly asked Morgan for assistance after the clash.  Unless Morgan just lifted his leg when Clifford was laying in a heap.

The dirty Tyrone hoor was trying to make the dead leg worse!!  ;)

Is that you Pat?  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on August 31, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
Quote from: Cobra on August 31, 2021, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 31, 2021, 11:48:43 AM
He must have had cramp as well as he seemingly asked Morgan for assistance after the clash.  Unless Morgan just lifted his leg when Clifford was laying in a heap.

Ahhy he must've had cramp as well.

Clifford does run strangely sometimes , even after scoring. Like he's hurt his ankle, or he's shit himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on August 31, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 31, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Clifford cramped up in Munster early in year too. Think was against Clare.

Is there something else at play if Clifford has also cramped up in a routine victory over Clare?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on September 01, 2021, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: clarshack on August 31, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 31, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Clifford cramped up in Munster early in year too. Think was against Clare.

Is there something else at play if Clifford has also cramped up in a routine victory over Clare?

Could be over doing in warm up or training?
I noticed in Tipp game on sky before game and during water breaks anytime camera focussed on him he was taking some kind of supplement(prob gels). Thought was strange was drinking a lot of fluids but I suppose with maor uisce not allowed prob the norm for all players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyHarp on September 01, 2021, 08:37:44 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 31, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 31, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Clifford cramped up in Munster early in year too. Think was against Clare.

Is there something else at play if Clifford has also cramped up in a routine victory over Clare?

Carrying 14 men is probably going to become a strain on the legs eventually.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on September 01, 2021, 08:40:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2021, 08:37:44 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 31, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 31, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Clifford cramped up in Munster early in year too. Think was against Clare.

Is there something else at play if Clifford has also cramped up in a routine victory over Clare?

Carrying 14 men is probably going to become a strain on the legs eventually.
Hes probably just genetically full of fast twitch muscle fibres which make him very explosive but do not last long in the endurance department
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on September 01, 2021, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 01, 2021, 08:40:10 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2021, 08:37:44 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 31, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on August 31, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Clifford cramped up in Munster early in year too. Think was against Clare.

Is there something else at play if Clifford has also cramped up in a routine victory over Clare?

Carrying 14 men is probably going to become a strain on the legs eventually.
Hes probably just genetically full of fast twitch muscle fibres which make him very explosive but do not last long in the endurance department
No doubt
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on September 02, 2021, 08:54:21 AM
Well done Tyrone, hope you win it now, like the Dubs, Tyrone seem to come in for an awful lot of stick, mostly unwarranted . I like their aggressive style of play and serious ballers all around the pitch, tactically set up perfectly against Kerry, beat 3 div 1 teams in a row to get to the final. Deserve to be there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Halfquarter on September 02, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
The WUM's are out today, they must have finished eating their sour grapes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Soju on September 02, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 29, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2021, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 29, 2021, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on August 29, 2021, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
One thing I noticed on the sky coverage just as the players were coming off after 70mins was the difference in body language between the teams. They showed close ups of the two Clifford's and Brian Ó Beaglaoich, all looked shell-shocked and exhausted. By comparison Hampsey and McCann looked like they were at the start of a match, not the end.
I noticed that
I put it down to the Kerry lads thought that it was theirs to loose and the papers said so
Extra time wasn't in their plans for the day at all at all
Turn up, play the game, run the scoreboard up and the trickiest thing to manage was
making it back to Hueston station for the 17:30 to Tralee
Just turning up mentality cost Kerry a goal when they tried to show boat the ball into the net..

That was a shocking piece of positional awareness by O'Brien. All he had to do was step half a metre back, schoolboy error.
As bad as the positioning for O'Brien was, why o'shea didn't just roll it in with the left i'll never know. i'd imagine most club forwards would have backed themselves in that position
It wasn't O Shea. It was Geaney. This is what happens when u have numpties like D Dolan commenting on games.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 02, 2021, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 02, 2021, 08:54:21 AM
Well done Tyrone, hope you win it now, like the Dubs, Tyrone seem to come in for an awful lot of stick, mostly unwarranted . I like their aggressive style of play and serious ballers all around the pitch, tactically set up perfectly against Kerry, beat 3 div 1 teams in a row to get to the final. Deserve to be there.

Always said you Dubs were sound lads. We don't do half enough for ya's!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on September 02, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Corkscrew and his unfounded theory post deleted plus any replies.

Clifford always looks pained, a bit like Andy Murray always looked like he was near collapsing in the tennis.  Other guys never look like they even break a sweat, Federer in tennis being an example maybe?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MayoBuck on September 02, 2021, 10:04:06 PM
It's probably just Clifford's tall, stocky build that means he struggles to last the pace in games. He just can't cover the same kilometeres as a small wirey forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: TheGreatest on September 03, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 02, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Corkscrew and his unfounded theory post deleted plus any replies.

Clifford always looks pained, a bit like Andy Murray always looked like he was near collapsing in the tennis.  Other guys never look like they even break a sweat, Federer in tennis being an example maybe?

First time in many years i have seen a Mod on here, welcome aboard MOD. Presume you will be active a lot on certain threads about certain teams and certain insults towards certain players from a certain county.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 03, 2021, 09:33:55 AM
Clifford does have an unusual running style, he always looks very stiff, moves rigidly and carries a pained expression on his face. Damien Duff used to be a bit like that too.

With the level of conditioning reached by inter county players I would be very surprised though if he wasn't fit enough to see out matches. It could simply be the dead leg that he received during the clash with Morgan which forced him off, he seemed to be holding an ice pack on his quad sitting on the bench during extra time. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: omagh_gael on September 03, 2021, 10:46:42 AM
Great analysis from Ballhopper a few pages back, very magnanimous too. I agree that the game was played in an excellent spirit with no dirt whatsoever.

IMO, one major factor (to steal BH's point) was Kerry defenders played very well on individual battles but we came out on top as a defensive unit. I think McKenna's first goal exemplifies this point in that he got space as Moran wasn't quick enough getting back. In fact, he didn't raise a sprint at all to cover him off. Secondly, on all our goals the Kerry backs were running back towards their own goals, this is a chaotic system that is ripe to score goals against.

Compare this to our defending when we, more often than not, had men facing the runners coming in and hitting them hard with multiple supporting bodies. I can only really think of Harte's block as occasion when Kerry completely broke past our unit and had defenders desperately chasing him to close him down. Thankfully, Petey made the excellent block.

Overall it was probably the most enjoyable game I've ever been too (Inc 03, 05 and 08) and I think the final could be an absolute classic. Such a shame it can't be a full house though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on September 03, 2021, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 03, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 02, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Corkscrew and his unfounded theory post deleted plus any replies.

Clifford always looks pained, a bit like Andy Murray always looked like he was near collapsing in the tennis.  Other guys never look like they even break a sweat, Federer in tennis being an example maybe?

First time in many years i have seen a Mod on here, welcome aboard MOD. Presume you will be active a lot on certain threads about certain teams and certain insults towards certain players from a certain county.

Found the removal of that post strange myself.  If that crosses a threshold of unacceptability, the mod will be busy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2021, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2021, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 03, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 02, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Corkscrew and his unfounded theory post deleted plus any replies.

Clifford always looks pained, a bit like Andy Murray always looked like he was near collapsing in the tennis.  Other guys never look like they even break a sweat, Federer in tennis being an example maybe?

First time in many years i have seen a Mod on here, welcome aboard MOD. Presume you will be active a lot on certain threads about certain teams and certain insults towards certain players from a certain county.

Found the removal of that post strange myself.  If that crosses a threshold of unacceptability, the mod will be busy.

It was odd how that Corkscrew unfounded theory stayed up as long as it did.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Corkscrew on September 03, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2021, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 03, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 02, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Corkscrew and his unfounded theory post deleted plus any replies.

Clifford always looks pained, a bit like Andy Murray always looked like he was near collapsing in the tennis.  Other guys never look like they even break a sweat, Federer in tennis being an example maybe?

First time in many years i have seen a Mod on here, welcome aboard MOD. Presume you will be active a lot on certain threads about certain teams and certain insults towards certain players from a certain county.

Found the removal of that post strange myself.  If that crosses a threshold of unacceptability, the mod will be busy.

And I also received a warning. I'm in the medical field and see plenty of evidence from blood results passing through my desk each day. If I saved one board member's life by they doing the D-dimer test my post was worth it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on September 03, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: Corkscrew on September 03, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2021, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 03, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 02, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Corkscrew and his unfounded theory post deleted plus any replies.

Clifford always looks pained, a bit like Andy Murray always looked like he was near collapsing in the tennis.  Other guys never look like they even break a sweat, Federer in tennis being an example maybe?

First time in many years i have seen a Mod on here, welcome aboard MOD. Presume you will be active a lot on certain threads about certain teams and certain insults towards certain players from a certain county.

Found the removal of that post strange myself.  If that crosses a threshold of unacceptability, the mod will be busy.

And I also received a warning. I'm in the medical field and see plenty of evidence from blood results passing through my desk each day. If I saved one board member's life by they doing the D-dimer test my post was worth it.

What did u say?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on September 03, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
Corkscrew - Quote from your post "The Pfizer vaccine contains the toxin Graphene Oxide".

I believe that is not true, but if you care to correct me with proof, I'll gladly restore your post.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 03, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
Corkscrew - Quote from your post "The Pfizer vaccine contains the toxin Graphene Oxide".

I believe that is not true, but if you care to correct me with proof, I'll gladly restore your post.
He also said he hoped none of the kerry players had the vaccine because if they did they wouldnt be playing in 2 years time which is a wild accusation to make
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on September 05, 2021, 01:20:51 AM
I've played fallout. All chems have side effects.. trust me
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Corkscrew on September 11, 2021, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 03, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
Corkscrew - Quote from your post "The Pfizer vaccine contains the toxin Graphene Oxide".

I believe that is not true, but if you care to correct me with proof, I'll gladly restore your post.
He also said he hoped none of the kerry players had the vaccine because if they did they wouldnt be playing in 2 years time which is a wild accusation to make

That was some attempt at quoting me. Your memory is either slipping or you are out to deceive, only you know the answer to that. When a sentence is distorted it renders the message redundant.  Even when a sentence is correctly plucked from a post, by its isolation the spin may come into play.

I will later address Moderator's query and provide irrefutable evidence of Graphene Oxide and many other toxic ingredients in the COVID vaccines.  There are many documents to choose from but I will go with the tests that will put this argument to bed for once and for all.

I'm extremely busy and probably will not get to it today. I rarely come on this forum, the reasons are obvious.  I also have an All Ireland Final to watch. 

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on September 11, 2021, 03:38:48 PM
I look forward to that with baited breath.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on September 11, 2021, 07:40:48 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-grapheneoxide-vaccine/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-graphene-oxide-idUSL1N2OZ14F
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on September 11, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: Corkscrew on September 11, 2021, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 03, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
Corkscrew - Quote from your post "The Pfizer vaccine contains the toxin Graphene Oxide".

I believe that is not true, but if you care to correct me with proof, I'll gladly restore your post.
He also said he hoped none of the kerry players had the vaccine because if they did they wouldnt be playing in 2 years time which is a wild accusation to make

That was some attempt at quoting me. Your memory is either slipping or you are out to deceive, only you know the answer to that. When a sentence is distorted it renders the message redundant.  Even when a sentence is correctly plucked from a post, by its isolation the spin may come into play.

I will later address Moderator's query and provide irrefutable evidence of Graphene Oxide and many other toxic ingredients in the COVID vaccines.  There are many documents to choose from but I will go with the tests that will put this argument to bed for once and for all.

I'm extremely busy and probably will not get to it today. I rarely come on this forum, the reasons are obvious.  I also have an All Ireland Final to watch.
What are you on about? I quoted exactly what you had said in your post or are you not retracting your statement out of shame?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on September 11, 2021, 10:37:33 PM
Since this thread is still going...

Is it too early to declare Tyrone as team of the decade?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on September 11, 2021, 10:44:42 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on September 11, 2021, 10:37:33 PM
Since this thread is still going...

Is it too early to declare Tyrone as team of the decade?

So far, yes. Tyrone are the team of the decade. That means Tyrone have been team of the decade in 2 of the 3 decades this century  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rudi on September 11, 2021, 10:49:23 PM
Oisin Mcconville only decent pundit on SG, the rest can go home. Mcgeary or McCurry Player of year?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Corkscrew on September 12, 2021, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 11, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: Corkscrew on September 11, 2021, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 03, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
Corkscrew - Quote from your post "The Pfizer vaccine contains the toxin Graphene Oxide".

I believe that is not true, but if you care to correct me with proof, I'll gladly restore your post.
He also said he hoped none of the kerry players had the vaccine because if they did they wouldnt be playing in 2 years time which is a wild accusation to make

That was some attempt at quoting me. Your memory is either slipping or you are out to deceive, only you know the answer to that. When a sentence is distorted it renders the message redundant.  Even when a sentence is correctly plucked from a post, by its isolation the spin may come into play.

I will later address Moderator's query and provide irrefutable evidence of Graphene Oxide and many other toxic ingredients in the COVID vaccines.  There are many documents to choose from but I will go with the tests that will put this argument to bed for once and for all.

I'm extremely busy and probably will not get to it today. I rarely come on this forum, the reasons are obvious.  I also have an All Ireland Final to watch.
What are you on about? I quoted exactly what you had said in your post or are you not retracting your statement out of shame?

Repost your memory of what I exactly said in quotation marks and when GaaboardMod5 will have no choice but to reinstate my post in full your miss-quote will be evident for all to see. As regards Mod5 and Fact Checkers, those sites would be some laugh only for the situation is so serious.

RedHand88, congrats on the great win, well deserved. My understanding is that you are in the medical field, sorry if I'm mistaken. Probably still a little kid of 33 as your pseudonym may indicate, seems like your mind may already be made up, way too young for that. Unfounded fear stopped you from attending Croke Park yesterday, the fear pandemic in full flow.  Looking forward to your attempt at refuting my little snippet of evidence with recurring humbleness. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on September 12, 2021, 09:37:56 AM
Quote from: Corkscrew on September 12, 2021, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 11, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: Corkscrew on September 11, 2021, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on September 03, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
Corkscrew - Quote from your post "The Pfizer vaccine contains the toxin Graphene Oxide".

I believe that is not true, but if you care to correct me with proof, I'll gladly restore your post.
He also said he hoped none of the kerry players had the vaccine because if they did they wouldnt be playing in 2 years time which is a wild accusation to make

That was some attempt at quoting me. Your memory is either slipping or you are out to deceive, only you know the answer to that. When a sentence is distorted it renders the message redundant.  Even when a sentence is correctly plucked from a post, by its isolation the spin may come into play.

I will later address Moderator's query and provide irrefutable evidence of Graphene Oxide and many other toxic ingredients in the COVID vaccines.  There are many documents to choose from but I will go with the tests that will put this argument to bed for once and for all.

I'm extremely busy and probably will not get to it today. I rarely come on this forum, the reasons are obvious.  I also have an All Ireland Final to watch.
What are you on about? I quoted exactly what you had said in your post or are you not retracting your statement out of shame?

Repost your memory of what I exactly said in quotation marks and when GaaboardMod5 will have no choice but to reinstate my post in full your miss-quote will be evident for all to see. As regards Mod5 and Fact Checkers, those sites would be some laugh only for the situation is so serious.

RedHand88, congrats on the great win, well deserved. My understanding is that you are in the medical field, sorry if I'm mistaken. Probably still a little kid of 33 as your pseudonym may indicate, seems like your mind may already be made up, way too young for that. Unfounded fear stopped you from attending Croke Park yesterday, the fear pandemic in full flow.  Looking forward to your attempt at refuting my little snippet of evidence with recurring humbleness.
Are you still here? You must be on the magic mushrooms or something. Wish the mods would have banned you altogether with the verbal diarrhoea you keep coming out with. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 10:54:26 AM
Kerry will be even more sick this morning but in light of Tyrone winnng the AI perhaps the over reaction to what was deemed a catastrophic performance at the time might not be viewed as bad in the cold light of day. Certainly the defeat and performance against Cork last year was a lot worse.

I also think Monaghan, Armagh, Derry and Donegal will look at Tyrone's success and think that if they can do it then they aren't too far away either especially now that Dublin have faded back into the pack.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 12, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
Just imagine the hammering we might have inflicted on Kerry, had we not been ravaged by COVID!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 12, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
Just imagine the hammering we might have inflicted on Kerry, had we not been ravaged by COVID!  ;)

Kerry had the opportunity to effectively eject Tyrone from the championship by refusing the extension but instead very sportingly went ahead and played the match. Tyrone owe Kerry a debt of gratitude this morning.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 12, 2021, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 12, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
Just imagine the hammering we might have inflicted on Kerry, had we not been ravaged by COVID!  ;)

Kerry had the opportunity to effectively eject Tyrone from the championship by refusing the extension but instead very sportingly went ahead and played the match. Tyrone owe Kerry a debt of gratitude this morning.

That's sport, but Kerry also knew that waltzing into an All-Ireland Final would have done them no favours, so whilst grateful for their grace, I wouldn't be getting carried away.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on September 12, 2021, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 12, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
Just imagine the hammering we might have inflicted on Kerry, had we not been ravaged by COVID!  ;)

Kerry had the opportunity to effectively eject Tyrone from the championship by refusing the extension but instead very sportingly went ahead and played the match. Tyrone owe Kerry a debt of gratitude this morning.

It wasn't up to Kerry. The GAA themselves decided to allow the extension. Power was not given to Kerry to deny the extension.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: delgany on September 12, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 10:54:26 AM
Kerry will be even more sick this morning but in light of Tyrone winnng the AI perhaps the over reaction to what was deemed a catastrophic performance at the time might not be viewed as bad in the cold light of day. Certainly the defeat and performance against Cork last year was a lot worse.

I also think Monaghan, Armagh, Derry and Donegal will look at Tyrone's success and think that if they can do it then they aren't too far away either especially now that Dublin have faded back into the pack.

It could be equally as hard to get out of Ulster as to win the All Ireland .
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 12, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Derry Armagh and tbh probably Donegal too probably a good bit from that kind of level. Monaghan closer but still think they are a good bit off the ai.

It will be really interesting to see whatever sting there is in Dublin next year. Kerry too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 12, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 10:54:26 AM
Kerry will be even more sick this morning but in light of Tyrone winnng the AI perhaps the over reaction to what was deemed a catastrophic performance at the time might not be viewed as bad in the cold light of day. Certainly the defeat and performance against Cork last year was a lot worse.

I also think Monaghan, Armagh, Derry and Donegal will look at Tyrone's success and think that if they can do it then they aren't too far away either especially now that Dublin have faded back into the pack.

It could be equally as hard to get out of Ulster as to win the All Ireland .

For sure but thats if the existing structure remains, we will know more after congress is held over the coming months.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2021, 01:32:44 PM
Unless Covid stops everything again this year's system won't be used.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 12, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Derry Armagh and tbh probably Donegal too probably a good bit from that kind of level. Monaghan closer but still think they are a good bit off the ai.

It will be really interesting to see whatever sting there is in Dublin next year. Kerry too.

Derry and Armagh aren't in the same bracket as Monaghan or Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Nanderson on September 12, 2021, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2021, 01:32:44 PM
Unless Covid stops everything again this year's system won't be used.
Is the 2nd tier system meant to start next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 12, 2021, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 12, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Derry Armagh and tbh probably Donegal too probably a good bit from that kind of level. Monaghan closer but still think they are a good bit off the ai.

It will be really interesting to see whatever sting there is in Dublin next year. Kerry too.

Derry and Armagh aren't in the same bracket as Monaghan or Donegal.
Donegal scraped past Derry by a point and Monaghan beat an Armagh team that conceded 4 goals without their first choice keeper or best defender. I really don't think there's a million miles between any of the top 5 teams in Ulster at the minute. Tyrone could have very easily lost to Donegal or Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
If Donegal played Derry 5 times they would beat them well, one tight game can happen every now and then.  Same with Monaghan and Armagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Blowitupref on September 12, 2021, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
If Donegal played Derry 5 times they would beat them well, one tight game can happen every now and then.  Same with Monaghan and Armagh.

Derrys are improving I'd expect them to push for Div 1 promotion next year. . Donegal have gone static and probably needed a new manager in place to bring improvement.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on September 12, 2021, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 12, 2021, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 12, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Derry Armagh and tbh probably Donegal too probably a good bit from that kind of level. Monaghan closer but still think they are a good bit off the ai.

It will be really interesting to see whatever sting there is in Dublin next year. Kerry too.

Derry and Armagh aren't in the same bracket as Monaghan or Donegal.
Donegal scraped past Derry by a point and Monaghan beat an Armagh team that conceded 4 goals without their first choice keeper or best defender. I really don't think there's a million miles between any of the top 5 teams in Ulster at the minute. Tyrone could have very easily lost to Donegal or Monaghan.

Tyrone will be better next season so the other Ulster teams will have to improve even more if they want to beat us.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Main Street on September 12, 2021, 08:05:44 PM
Heavy lies the crown :)  How many Ulster AI winners come a cropper next time out?

Didn't Joe Brolly's Derry get beaten first time out in'94?   Armagh likewise,  ambushed in 2003 by Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Ed Ricketts on September 12, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
If Donegal played Derry 5 times they would beat them well, one tight game can happen every now and then.  Same with Monaghan and Armagh.

Funnily enough, Armagh have beaten Monaghan in four of their last five competitive encounters. Including a tanking in the Championship just a couple of years ago.

Not convinced yet about Derry, and Armagh still have a propensity to self destruct, but the reality is that no one would be overly surprised if any of three or four teams turned Tyrone over in Ulster next year. Really exciting championship shaping up for 2022.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: MK on September 12, 2021, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
If Donegal played Derry 5 times they would beat them well, one tight game can happen every now and then.  Same with Monaghan and Armagh.
And therein lies the obvious difference with this years championship.....

next year will  revert to the back door thus would tyrone ,for example , beat the same" big team" twice?

Or would Dublin/Kerry prevail under such a format?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
It's a poor era for management.

Of the top five contenders, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry all have average managers. Only Kerry look like they might make a change for next year. If they get a good manager in charge, it's lights out for everybody else.

Tyrone and Mayo currently have the two best management teams of the top contenders. Horan is a very good manager on the whole but he has blind spots, and they were exposed yesterday.



Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 12, 2021, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 12, 2021, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 12, 2021, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 12, 2021, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 12, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
Derry Armagh and tbh probably Donegal too probably a good bit from that kind of level. Monaghan closer but still think they are a good bit off the ai.

It will be really interesting to see whatever sting there is in Dublin next year. Kerry too.

Derry and Armagh aren't in the same bracket as Monaghan or Donegal.
Donegal scraped past Derry by a point and Monaghan beat an Armagh team that conceded 4 goals without their first choice keeper or best defender. I really don't think there's a million miles between any of the top 5 teams in Ulster at the minute. Tyrone could have very easily lost to Donegal or Monaghan.

Tyrone will be better next season so the other Ulster teams will have to improve even more if they want to beat us.
They definitely will. A fully fit McShane for the whole year and Canavan another year older and fully fit. Plus much more to come from McKenna. They'll be some team with a proper preseason.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 12, 2021, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
It's a poor era for management.

Of the top five contenders, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry all have average managers. Only Kerry look like they might make a change for next year. If they get a good manager in charge, it's lights out for everybody else.

Tyrone and Mayo currently have the two best management teams of the top contenders. Horan is a very good manager on the whole but he has blind spots, and they were exposed yesterday.

This myth that Kerry have some fantastic squad that is heads and shoulders above anyone else is just hyperbole. I'd fear the Dubs much more than Kerry next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
It's a poor era for management.

Of the top five contenders, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry all have average managers. Only Kerry look like they might make a change for next year. If they get a good manager in charge, it's lights out for everybody else.

Tyrone and Mayo currently have the two best management teams of the top contenders. Horan is a very good manager on the whole but he has blind spots, and they were exposed yesterday.

The jury is still out on how good Kerry are, I think some revisionism might be needed there also. Yes they have 2 Clifford's and O'Shea who are excellent but on the whole they have not lived up to the hype. If Tyrone played them again I would fancy Tyrone to beat them. But time will tell, it will all become much clearer with a full playing season next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
It's a poor era for management.

Of the top five contenders, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry all have average managers. Only Kerry look like they might make a change for next year. If they get a good manager in charge, it's lights out for everybody else.

Tyrone and Mayo currently have the two best management teams of the top contenders. Horan is a very good manager on the whole but he has blind spots, and they were exposed yesterday.

The jury is still out on how good Kerry are, I think some revisionism might be needed there also. Yes they have 2 Clifford's and O'Shea who are excellent but on the whole they have not lived up to the hype. If Tyrone played them again I would fancy Tyrone to beat them. But time will tell, it will all become much clearer with a full playing season next year.
Kerry were called soft in the 2001-2003 period. They went on to reach the next six finals in a row and won four of them. I could see them doing similar over the coming years if they get the right man in charge.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2021, 09:15:19 PM
With all teams having the same amount of training next year will be interesting whatever the format.
Special Congress put back to October.
I fear it will be a case of Dublin getting their house back in order and Kerry with a new manager or management team with better fitness etc will retake the top 2 positions :-\
Sadly not much sign of anyone outside the big 4 in the running for Sam.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 12, 2021, 09:22:25 PM
Would agree with that. Hard to see Galway breaking in. Also hard to know where yesterday puts Mayo. That is a serious Tyrone defense so Dublin or Kerry probably need to step it up too. Be interesting to see if Tyrone get better with canavan,McKenna etc getting more experience.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
It's a poor era for management.

Of the top five contenders, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry all have average managers. Only Kerry look like they might make a change for next year. If they get a good manager in charge, it's lights out for everybody else.

Tyrone and Mayo currently have the two best management teams of the top contenders. Horan is a very good manager on the whole but he has blind spots, and they were exposed yesterday.

The jury is still out on how good Kerry are, I think some revisionism might be needed there also. Yes they have 2 Clifford's and O'Shea who are excellent but on the whole they have not lived up to the hype. If Tyrone played them again I would fancy Tyrone to beat them. But time will tell, it will all become much clearer with a full playing season next year.
Kerry were called soft in the 2001-2003 period. They went on to reach the next six finals in a row and won four of them. I could see them doing similar over the coming years if they get the right man in charge.

I just don't get on what basis you can make that assertion. I do think Dublin have a lean period ahead for the next few years and there will be opportunities for other counties one of which will be Kerry. But a few hammerings dishes out in the League is not a pre requisite for stating that a team will win multiple All Ireland's. That 2001-03 Kerry side was definitely not soft, they had plenty of dogs of war and the current Kerry side is currently well short of that team.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StPatsAbu on September 12, 2021, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 12, 2021, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.
It's a poor era for management.

Of the top five contenders, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry all have average managers. Only Kerry look like they might make a change for next year. If they get a good manager in charge, it's lights out for everybody else.

Tyrone and Mayo currently have the two best management teams of the top contenders. Horan is a very good manager on the whole but he has blind spots, and they were exposed yesterday.

The jury is still out on how good Kerry are, I think some revisionism might be needed there also. Yes they have 2 Clifford's and O'Shea who are excellent but on the whole they have not lived up to the hype. If Tyrone played them again I would fancy Tyrone to beat them. But time will tell, it will all become much clearer with a full playing season next year.
Kerry were called soft in the 2001-2003 period. They went on to reach the next six finals in a row and won four of them. I could see them doing similar over the coming years if they get the right man in charge.

I just don't get on what basis you can make that assertion. I do think Dublin have a lean period ahead for the next few years and there will be opportunities for other counties one of which will be Kerry. But a few hammerings dishes out in the League is not a pre requisite for stating that a team will win multiple All Ireland's. That 2001-03 Kerry side was definitely not soft, they had plenty of dogs of war and the current Kerry side is currently well short of that team.

Aye but they only have to play a couple of hurling teams to get to the AI semis...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Hound on September 13, 2021, 07:21:15 AM
PP have priced up 2022:

Dublin 11/8
Kerry 6/4
Tyrone 9/1
Mayo 9/1
Donegal 16/1
Galway 20/1
Monaghan 66/1
Armagh 66/1
The rest 80/1+

Dubs and Kerry within a whisker of being joint favs. Tyrone very long odds for defending champs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 13, 2021, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2021, 09:15:19 PM
With all teams having the same amount of training next year will be interesting whatever the format.
Special Congress put back to October.
I fear it will be a case of Dublin getting their house back in order and Kerry with a new manager or management team with better fitness etc will retake the top 2 positions :-\
Sadly not much sign of anyone outside the big 4 in the running for Sam.
I'd say Mayos win over Dublin and Tyrones 2 big wins there will light a fire under the arse of the likes of Galway, Meath, Kildare and the stronger teams Ulster teams. Mayo showed the Dubs aren't invincible so maybe a couple of teams in Leinster might turn up against them next year. All of the Ulster teams would fancy themselves to at least run Tyrone close. Would be great to one of those 7 or 8 lower division 1/ higher division 2 teams get a run to a semi or a final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: blanketattack on September 14, 2021, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 13, 2021, 07:21:15 AM
PP have priced up 2022:

Dublin 11/8
Kerry 6/4
Tyrone 9/1
Mayo 9/1
Donegal 16/1
Galway 20/1
Monaghan 66/1
Armagh 66/1
The rest 80/1+

Dubs and Kerry within a whisker of being joint favs. Tyrone very long odds for defending champs.

Great value on Tyrone. Those odds are probably based on the old system where they've Ulster and/or qualifier or Super 8 system to navigate while the proposal for next season might put them in an 8 team league and so should be pretty much equal odds as Kerry and close enough to Dublin, who's odds could go way in if McCaffry, Mannion and Cluxton return or go out if those 3 stay gone and McCarthy, Cooper, Fitzsimons and Rock retire.

Paradoxically, if the league type system is brought in, Kerry's odds will lengthen, but I think they'll have a much better chance of winning the All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: clarshack on September 15, 2021, 12:25:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.

Donegal are a myth as well. It's 7 years since they even played in an All-Ireland semi-final or final, in that time Tyrone have played in 2 finals and 5 semi-finals.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 15, 2021, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 15, 2021, 12:25:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.

Donegal are a myth as well. It's 7 years since they even played in an All-Ireland semi-final or final, in that time Tyrone have played in 2 finals and 5 semi-finals.

I presume that you chose to go back 7 years with statistics to suit your argument. But what happened more than 3-4 years ago has limited relevance to the current side. Tyrone have taken a huge leap forward this year but 10 months ago they were being beaten by Donegal in the Ulster championship and the majority of people would have placed them ahead of Tyrone. So they have showed what is possible.

I think Donegal have a lot of very talented players very similar to Tyrone but there are doubts over their defence and their mental toughness in the big games. They are still relying on a 35 year old Neil Magee and a 32 year old Michael Murphy to provide leadership and neither of those will be getting any better. Doubts surfaced about them after losing the Ulster final to Cavan and they have not disappeared since. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tyrone08 on September 15, 2021, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 15, 2021, 12:25:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
I think that only in time will we be able to properly judge the merit of this Tyrone side. At the start of the season I would have placed Donegal ahead of them and had them down in 5th nationally. The reality is that Donegal have regressed in the last 2 seasons but they have enough good players to reverse the slide. I would have doubts about their mental fortitude though as they seem to lack leaders outside of Murphy. Armagh would need to find a few decent defenders to get to the next level and win an ulster championship whilst Monaghan will still be hard to beat but I can't see much scope for improvement with a few of their key players getting on in years. Derry may be a few years away from winning at provincial level but Gallagher has got them organised and they are on an upward curve.

Donegal are a myth as well. It's 7 years since they even played in an All-Ireland semi-final or final, in that time Tyrone have played in 2 finals and 5 semi-finals.

I agree. Years of hype that dongel could beat Dublin but have never made a semi final since 2014. Donegal had the beating of tyrone on many occasion but tyrone always outlasted them and regularly got into semi finals.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 08:34:17 PM
There is at the minute IMO. That Cavan beating would never have happened Tyrone. Donegal are over rated at the minute. No offense to Bonnar but I think they needed to change to progress. Take murphy out and that is a big leveller for them too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 08:53:45 PM
Parts of that I agree with tbh but for me Donegal Monaghan or Armagh would have been capable of putting together the performances Tyrone did against Kerry and Mayo. They just don't have the defense for it. I honestly think monaghan would have been beat out the gate by Kerry. Of course we will never know but if anyone bar Tyrone win ulster next year then I don't think there will be an Ulster team close to winning.

That said I'd never have expected Tyrone to win this year...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 09:00:03 PM
I agree with the last 2 posts. I think if any of the top teams in Ulster meet it's a tough one to call, Donegal and Monaghan both could and possibly should have beat Tyrone, however Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh wouldnt be capable of pulling off the performances Tyrone did against the bigger teams. (To be fair I didnt think Tyrone could have either, it really is a funny old game)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Jayop on September 15, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 15, 2021, 08:45:44 PM
I'm not so sure. A small bit of fortune in their most recent game and Donegal could have won it.
McGee off injured in the opening few minutes. McKernan could easily have seen black for it too.
Murphy hits the foot of the post with a penalty to put them 5 ahead. Different game if that goes in.
Minutes later he gets sent off rather foolishly. His first yellow was soft too.

While Tyrone then went on to be the better team on the day, they were certainly helped by coming out the right side of these 50:50 moments.
Tyrone went on to deservedly win the AI and must be given the credit for that but if these 2 teams meet again next year I wouldn't be running out to bet on it.

The penalty wasn't a penalty, so them being unfortunate missing it is more than outweighed by the fortune they got for getting the pen and the black card in the first place.
Murphy's first yellow was a yellow all day long, his black should have been a straight red. Again, nothing unlucky about that.


There was 50/50 moments, we were unlucky on some of them and fortunate on others but by no means were we lucky in anyway at all. By far the better team all game that day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 09:44:15 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 15, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 08:53:45 PM
Parts of that I agree with tbh but for me Donegal Monaghan or Armagh would have been capable of putting together the performances Tyrone did against Kerry and Mayo. They just don't have the defense for it. I honestly think monaghan would have been beat out the gate by Kerry. Of course we will never know but if anyone bar Tyrone win ulster next year then I don't think there will be an Ulster team close to winning.

That said I'd never have expected Tyrone to win this year...
Bingo.

You've now fallen into the trap whereby teams who win are automatically amazing and those who don't are shite. Despite the fact that every game they play against each other shows they are nip and tuck.
There are really fine margins among a lot of these teams.
I' agree with the bolded but I definitely don't think that. Fine margins between Armagh and Monaghan, fine margins between Derry and Donegal, between Donegal and Tyrone, between Tyrone and Monaghan. Both semi finals went to extra time, only for Kerry making a balls of goal chance they'd have beat Tyrone, O'Connor doesn't keep that ball in and have it fall to McLoughlin Dublin would have beat Mayo etc, etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 15, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 08:53:45 PM
Parts of that I agree with tbh but for me Donegal Monaghan or Armagh would have been capable of putting together the performances Tyrone did against Kerry and Mayo. They just don't have the defense for it. I honestly think monaghan would have been beat out the gate by Kerry. Of course we will never know but if anyone bar Tyrone win ulster next year then I don't think there will be an Ulster team close to winning.

That said I'd never have expected Tyrone to win this year...
Bingo.

You've now fallen into the trap whereby teams who win are automatically amazing and those who don't are shite. Despite the fact that every game they play against each other shows they are nip and tuck.
There are really fine margins among a lot of these teams.

I really don't think I have. I don't think there would be the belief in a Monaghan or Donegal to beat Kerry. Tyrone in croke park have always been a different beast to the rest of the ulster teams this century. (Armagh's years aside I guess but they held sway in that too).

I don't think Monaghan or Donegal are shite. Monaghan are a good team too reliant on McManus and Donegal are a good team too reliant on murphy. (Also Donegal in the grand scheme of things have under achieved this last number of years).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 15, 2021, 10:00:24 PM
And a month ago you'd have laughed if someone told you that Tyrone would win the All Ireland. And you could have picked holes in them til the cows came home.

FWIW, I think Donegal are ahead of Monaghan. I'd have it something like this.

Dublin - Still the best

Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal all capable of beating each other.

Monaghan, Galway, Armagh
Literally impossible to call I think. You say Dublin are clear but I think Tyrone would have destroyed them in the final the way they were playing, Kerry probably would have beat them too with the forwards they have. They'll need to get the finger out and get Mannion and McCaffrey back and get their big guns firing to stand a chance. Couple of retirements this year and they could slip rightly back into the pack. Don't think Donegal are clear of Monaghan either, Murphy will be another year older come next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 10:11:12 PM
I admit I didn't think they had it in them but they proved me and everyone wrong.

Donegal are not at the level you think they are at IMO. If bonner was moved on I think they might be closer to what you think but not now. For the last few years when it has come down to it they have been a let down. I honestly thought Tyrone were better than them and Monaghan were the big threat there.

That aside I wouldn't disagree though I am not sold on Galway yet. Should be a lot better than they are. Armagh would really need to shore up the middle of that defense too but will hopefully do that next year.

Dublin will be back. I am unsure Farrell will cut it tbh but they will still be a threat.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 11:01:41 PM
If Donegal got to an AI final against anyone, i'd expect them to make a serious game of it. They've got enough talent, size, athleticism in all areas of the field to ensure it.

I couldn't say that for Monaghan, and definitely not for Armagh.

I know which of those 3 Tyrone will want to avoid in next year's Ulster.

——

Dublin will be the gold standard for the next 5 years. But with a transition now inevitable, they're going to be beatable, and football should prosper as a result. There will be 7-8 counties next year with the belief of winning Sam - including Cork and Galway, neither of whom would quake at the thought of Tyrone, but would have folded before throw in against the recent Dubs. If we can get a couple in Leinster with that attitude it could be a golden period for football.

Hurling on the other hand, well it looks likely to suffer under a dominant cloud for the next 3-5 years.

——

Perfect sporting performance  is only entertaining for a couple of years at most. After that happens, we really need competition.

The single most enjoyable thing about this year's championship was that football wasn't a game of perfect. Players were entrusted to take personal responsibility and play what they saw in front of them. Tyrone, as it turns out, were better at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Gold on September 15, 2021, 11:30:56 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 15, 2021, 09:31:46 PM
Tyrone were not by far the better team all game. 14 man Donegal were still in the game late on. They were the better team alright but they were helped by a bit of luck along the way. Losing Murphy and McGee is certainly a blow. Had Donegal got the luck that day (Murphy and McGee stay on and they score an undeserved penalty), they may have gone on to be the better team and win the game.

Ye see, people jump to extremes after games regardless of how the game went.
You can guarantee that if Kerry had have scored the goal they fluffed in the semi final, won it by 3 points and then won the All Ireland, we'd be talking about them being great and Tyrone having umpteen flaws.
Indeed, when Donegal beat Tyrone in Ulster last year in the tightest of games, this board had plenty of people commenting that Donegal are a good bit ahead of Tyrone.
The same when Kerry beat Tyrone in 2019.

Quite simply, it's ballix.

Absolutely correct
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 01:51:41 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 11:01:41 PM
If Donegal got to an AI final against anyone, i'd expect them to make a serious game of it. They've got enough talent, size, athleticism in all areas of the field to ensure it.

I couldn't say that for Monaghan, and definitely not for Armagh.

I know which of those 3 Tyrone will want to avoid in next year's Ulster.

——

Dublin will be the gold standard for the next 5 years. But with a transition now inevitable, they're going to be beatable, and football should prosper as a result. There will be 7-8 counties next year with the belief of winning Sam - including Cork and Galway, neither of whom would quake at the thought of Tyrone, but would have folded before throw in against the recent Dubs. If we can get a couple in Leinster with that attitude it could be a golden period for football.

Hurling on the other hand, well it looks likely to suffer under a dominant cloud for the next 3-5 years.

——

Perfect sporting performance  is only entertaining for a couple of years at most. After that happens, we really need competition.

The single most enjoyable thing about this year's championship was that football wasn't a game of perfect. Players were entrusted to take personal responsibility and play what they saw in front of them. Tyrone, as it turns out, were better at it.
Where would that Cork belief be coming from, is Jim Gavin taking over?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on September 16, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
It will be a pleasant but big surprise if anyone outside Tyrone, Mayowestros,  Dublin or Kerry gets anywhere near Sam next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 16, 2021, 09:45:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
It will be a pleasant but big surprise if anyone outside Tyrone, Mayowestros,  Dublin or Kerry gets anywhere near Sam next year.

I agree, but if you had asked a lot of posters here would Tyrone win the AI this year you would have recieved an overwhelming negative response. It shows how quickly thinks can change especially if you don't have anyone as far out in front as the Dubs have been over the last number of years.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2021, 09:49:06 AM
I don't think it'll happen next year. And if Dublin come back blazing it'll put out wee fires everywhere.

But in recent years, all too many counties have (understandably) approached the championship with a deep lying fear that progress will only lead to an inevitable pounding to death by the Dubs. I don't blame them either - Dublin were (maybe still are) a machine apart. If they drop back in performance level to say Donegal levels (potent but not perfect), then it will surely light a few fires.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 16, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
Don't get why Donegal keep getting lauded, they'd plenty of talent but outside of the province they've beaten nobody of note. No semi final since 2014 and lost so many big games they've gone in as favourites under Bonner. I'm so surprised he's been kept on, no doubting there a very talented bunch.

As for Galway, I thought Joyce was given a 2 year term but nothing mentioned since Galways' exit so perhaps it was a 3 year term. So many players made themselves unavailable last year, interesting to see if that it happens again this year. Galway just a huge disappointment, should be doing better.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2021, 10:17:41 AM
Yep that would be my view too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: rrhf on September 16, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 16, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
Don't get why Donegal keep getting lauded, they'd plenty of talent but outside of the province they've beaten nobody of note. No semi final since 2014 and lost so many big games they've gone in as favourites under Bonner. I'm so surprised he's been kept on, no doubting there a very talented bunch.

As for Galway, I thought Joyce was given a 2 year term but nothing mentioned since Galways' exit so perhaps it was a 3 year term. So many players made themselves unavailable last year, interesting to see if that it happens again this year. Galway just a huge disappointment, should be doing better.
Enter Jimmy Mc Guinness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2021, 12:21:10 PM
Tyrone before this year were in an ai final very recently though. Donegal were not.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 16, 2021, 12:30:30 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 16, 2021, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 16, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
Don't get why Donegal keep getting lauded, they'd plenty of talent but outside of the province they've beaten nobody of note. No semi final since 2014 and lost so many big games they've gone in as favourites under Bonner. I'm so surprised he's been kept on, no doubting there a very talented bunch.

As for Galway, I thought Joyce was given a 2 year term but nothing mentioned since Galways' exit so perhaps it was a 3 year term. So many players made themselves unavailable last year, interesting to see if that it happens again this year. Galway just a huge disappointment, should be doing better.
Until this year Tyrone had beaten "nobody of note" since 2008. That did not mean that they weren't among the best counties in Ireland capable, with the rub of the green, of beating most of the others on a given day.
The games Donegal are playing against Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry are generally very tight. They are definitely in the same bracket IMO.

They definitely aren't, Tyrone prior to this year had got to a final in 2018 and beaten Donegal in what was affectively a quarter final that year too.

In recent years in the championship Donegal have beaten nobody and got knocked out of the championship by Tyrone twice, Mayo, Galway & Cavan.

Talent wise they've under performed.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 12:35:12 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 16, 2021, 12:26:35 PM
They didn't meet a team of note until they got there.....and when they did they lost.

They beat Donegal in Ballybofey in a proper knockout match.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2021, 12:35:40 PM
Still not too shabby an achievement reaching an ai final. Not that many have done it in recent years. They didn't beat the "big three" but still beat decent teams to get there.

I don't disagree with you that this year took me and probably most of Tyrone by surprise but I don't think Donegal. Monaghan, Armagh, Meath, Galway or cork have an ai in them or tbh close. Donegal could only at a push get near it with Murphy still about but they are really going to dip when he goes.

To counter my own argument though I think if Donegal for Tyrone early they could beat them lol. Latter stages with back door etc back I don't think they could though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Teams that reached the AlI Ireland semi finals since Donegal did last in 2014

Dublin 7 times
Mayo 6
Kerry 5
Tyrone 5
Tipperary 2
Monaghan 1
Galway 1
Cavan 1

2015 to 2021 teams that reached the All-Ireland Quarter finals and weren't good enough to go any further.

Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Meath, Armagh, Clare, Fermanagh and Donegal.


I think its a safe bet that the 2022 All-Ireland final will be 2 of 4 teams Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 16, 2021, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Teams that reached the AlI Ireland semi finals since Donegal did last in 2014

Dublin 7 times
Mayo 6
Kerry 5
Tyrone 4
Tipperary 2
Monaghan 1
Galway 1
Cavan 1

2015 to 2021 teams that reached the All-Ireland Quarter finals and weren't good enough to go any further.

Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Meath, Armagh, Clare, Fermanagh and Donegal.


I think its a safe bet that the 2022 All-Ireland final will be 2 of 4 teams Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry.
Hard to believe that Tipp the only team to do it twice outside the big 4. Some going in fairness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Teams that reached the AlI Ireland semi finals since Donegal did last in 2014

Dublin 7 times
Mayo 6
Kerry 5
Tyrone 4
Tipperary 2
Monaghan 1
Galway 1
Cavan 1

2015 to 2021 teams that reached the All-Ireland Quarter finals and weren't good enough to go any further.

Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Meath, Armagh, Clare, Fermanagh and Donegal.


I think its a safe bet that the 2022 All-Ireland final will be 2 of 4 teams Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry.

Should Tyrone not be on 5 there - 2015,2017,2018,2019 and 2021?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: sensethetone on September 16, 2021, 03:22:45 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Teams that reached the AlI Ireland semi finals since Donegal did last in 2014

Dublin 7 times
Mayo 6
Kerry 5
Tyrone 4
Tipperary 2
Monaghan 1
Galway 1
Cavan 1

2015 to 2021 teams that reached the All-Ireland Quarter finals and weren't good enough to go any further.

Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Meath, Armagh, Clare, Fermanagh and Donegal.


I think its a safe bet that the 2022 All-Ireland final will be 2 of 4 teams Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry.

Should Tyrone not be on 5 there - 2015,2017,2018,2019 and 2021?

The young lad with the Donegal top and mayo head band won't like to hear that..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on September 16, 2021, 03:31:36 PM
There's a definite bigger 4 who are also the only teams to reach a Final from 2015 on.
Dublin 6
Mayowestros 4
Tyrone 2
Kerry 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:20:11 PM

Should Tyrone not be on 5 there - 2015,2017,2018,2019 and 2021?
Should be yes. Years that Tyrone didn't reach the All-Ireland semi finals. Last year with no back door opportunity and 2016 lost by one point to Mayo in the Quarter final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:40:22 PM
Only 3 teams have won more than 1 All Ireland since the turn of the millenium. All Irelands won since then:
Dubs  8
Kerry  6
Tyrone 4
Donegal 1
Cork 1
Galway 1
Armagh 1
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on September 16, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:40:22 PM
Only 3 teams have won more than 1 All Ireland since the turn of the millenium. All Irelands won since then:
Dubs  8
Kerry  6
Tyrone 4
Galway 1
Armagh 1
Cork 1
Donegal 1

Was there a reason for putting us bottom?

That's the order. Cork and Donegal won it after us.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: BennyCake on September 16, 2021, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Teams that reached the AlI Ireland semi finals since Donegal did last in 2014

Dublin 7 times
Mayo 6
Kerry 5
Tyrone 4
Tipperary 2
Monaghan 1
Galway 1
Cavan 1

2015 to 2021 teams that reached the All-Ireland Quarter finals and weren't good enough to go any further.

Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Meath, Armagh, Clare, Fermanagh and Donegal.


I think its a safe bet that the 2022 All-Ireland final will be 2 of 4 teams Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry.

Should Tyrone not be on 5 there - 2015,2017,2018,2019 and 2021?

I would have to think very hard to name the semi final pairings  this last number of years. I think it's because the qualifier system has diluted the value of the provincial championships. Not only that, but we've seemingly had nothing but an annual regurgitation of the same 4/5 teams at the semi finals stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Stall the Bailer on September 16, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
In 2002 when Sligo beat Tyrone, few would have thought Tyrone would win the next year.
It was the same this year. All the top ten teams would feel that if they played Tyrone they could give them a good game and if they were beat it would less than 3 or 4 points. I would say all them would think they could improve by that much by next year. Score a goal more a game or tighten up in defence.
The likes of Dublin and Kerry could improve by more than that. I hope Tyrone improve again and keep all at arms length for another while yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2021, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 16, 2021, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
Teams that reached the AlI Ireland semi finals since Donegal did last in 2014

Dublin 7 times
Mayo 6
Kerry 5
Tyrone 4
Tipperary 2
Monaghan 1
Galway 1
Cavan 1

2015 to 2021 teams that reached the All-Ireland Quarter finals and weren't good enough to go any further.

Kildare, Cork, Roscommon, Meath, Armagh, Clare, Fermanagh and Donegal.


I think its a safe bet that the 2022 All-Ireland final will be 2 of 4 teams Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry.

Should Tyrone not be on 5 there - 2015,2017,2018,2019 and 2021?

I would have to think very hard to name the semi final pairings  this last number of years. I think it's because the qualifier system has diluted the value of the provincial championships. Not only that, but we've seemingly had nothing but an annual regurgitation of the same 4/5 teams at the semi finals stage.

The super 8s killed it a bit. I really hope nothing like that comes back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: HokeyPokey on September 16, 2021, 09:47:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on September 16, 2021, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 16, 2021, 12:35:40 PM
Still not too shabby an achievement reaching an ai final. Not that many have done it in recent years. They didn't beat the "big three" but still beat decent teams to get there.

I don't disagree with you that this year took me and probably most of Tyrone by surprise but I don't think Donegal. Monaghan, Armagh, Meath, Galway or cork have an ai in them or tbh close. Donegal could only at a push get near it with Murphy still about but they are really going to dip when he goes.

To counter my own argument though I think if Donegal for Tyrone early they could beat them lol. Latter stages with back door etc back I don't think they could though.
So to break it down, you think Donegal are capable of beating Tyrone in Ulster but not any later.
I think they are capable of doing it at any time of the championship. I also extend that to being capable of beating Kerry and Mayo.

In fairness, there have been many times where Tyrone have lost to Donegal or Monaghan in Ulster in recent years but then have always beaten them when it came to the AI series. Given Tyrone would then frustratingly lose to Mayo, Dublin or Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
It's not really a narrative tbh. Donegal, who are a team I like a lot, have been disappointing all things considered for a few years and those semi final stats back that up. They have so much promise and haven't lived up to it.

Tyrone always develop as a team as the year goes on. Mayo are like that too. 

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: StephenC on September 17, 2021, 09:40:52 AM
Please stop talking about us  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Onthe40 on September 17, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
I have to say I'm a closet Donegal fan as well..they play great football at times and have unearthed some superb ballers this past few years..Thomson, Langan, McGee etc to compliment McHugh, McBrearty, Murphy etc
these are players that are capable of winning All irelands and would have medals if playing for Tyrone

But there has to be something seriously wrong with the setup as they fall pretty much at the same hurdle year on year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: tiempo on September 17, 2021, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on September 17, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
I have to say I'm a closet Donegal fan as well..they play great football at times and have unearthed some superb ballers this past few years..Thomson, Langan, McGee etc to compliment McHugh, McBrearty, Murphy etc
these are players that are capable of winning All irelands and would have medals if playing for Tyrone

But there has to be something seriously wrong with the setup as they fall pretty much at the same hurdle year on year

Is that an amalgamation you have in mind or just had they been born in Tyrone?

Just imagine the potential if the Rossies and Mayonnaise put their differences aside.

And spare a thought for poor Enda Muldoon, an actual Tyrone man who toiled away with Derry  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Onthe40 on September 17, 2021, 01:17:48 PM
my point is they have the players, seems to be a mentality issue...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: Rossfan on September 17, 2021, 01:21:25 PM
Their style of play doesn't seem to help.
They get loads of possession but don't turn enough of it into scires.
Their first instinct when they see a defender is to kick the ball back!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland SF 2021
Post by: maddog on September 17, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
Quote from: tiempo on September 17, 2021, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: Onthe40 on September 17, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
I have to say I'm a closet Donegal fan as well..they play great football at times and have unearthed some superb ballers this past few years..Thomson, Langan, McGee etc to compliment McHugh, McBrearty, Murphy etc
these are players that are capable of winning All irelands and would have medals if playing for Tyrone

But there has to be something seriously wrong with the setup as they fall pretty much at the same hurdle year on year



Just imagine the potential if the Rossies and Mayonnaise put their differences aside.



They can't be civil with each other here in Birmingham so not sure how the Ballagh strip would react.