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Title: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 12:00:48 AM
There's a list as long as my arm of rules that he's broken, (feuding and personal abuse being the most obvious) but I think Rule 8 is the most interesting:

Quote8. Joining up to cause trouble, or to annoy people.
   Occasionally, some people join the board simply to post something abusive, or to 'flame' the board. These people are generally easy to spot (see the F365 invasion last
   year) and have no real interest in the GAA Board. Also some people, who have been banned permanently, rejoin under different usernames and continue with the
   behaviour that led to the ban. By tracking IPs, behaviour and other items, we can sometimes tell this fairly easily, and these users will be banned again.
   
   Penalty - Immediate Permanent Ban

I've been reporting his racist and abusive tirades to the moderators but a quick check on his profile shows that he has made zero GAA-related contributions all year. With over 2,000 posts to his name, only 58 are on the GAA section. A nausea-inducing trace through his posting history reveals a sustained campaign of racism, far right extremism, and hate-filled name-calling and insults directed against other contributors to this board seemingly for the sole purpose of causing the maximum offense.   

He's obviously not here to talk about the finer points of GAA promotion or the sweeper system.

This sounds to me like fitting the description of "joining the board simply to post something abusive, or to 'flame' the board." I move that Rule 8 be invoked and a permanent ban put in place. All in favour say 'aye.'
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: under the bar on October 06, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
It's all the fault of the Judean People's Front!!
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: StGallsGAA on October 06, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
Should Eamonnca1 and Foxcommander not just get a room together?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
A very petty and small-minded action Eamonnca1 to be honest with you.

Couple of options you could have considered before starting a crusade to ban a poster you dislike/disagree with:
1. Engage in debate with him and best him that way.
2. There's an ignore function on the board you could use. Fierce useful. I haven't read Seafoid's inane ramblings in years.
3. Leave the board if he annoys you so much.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:23:19 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on October 06, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
Should Eamonnca1 and Foxcommander not just get a room together?

Be careful Eamonnca1 could report you for that homophobic comment.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 01:43:27 AM
Quote from: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
A very petty and small-minded action Eamonnca1 to be honest with you.

Couple of options you could have considered before starting a crusade to ban a poster you dislike/disagree with:
1. Engage in debate with him and best him that way.
2. There's an ignore function on the board you could use. Fierce useful. I haven't read Seafoid's inane ramblings in years.
3. Leave the board if he annoys you so much.

"To be honest" 1 has already been tried. It's pointless. I'm using 2 and it has made my life a little better, but unfortunately people insist on quoting him and I still have to look at his rantings and ravings, so it's not that effective. 3 is not an option. He's the one breaking every rule in the book, he's the one with no interest in adding anything constructive, he's the one that should go. There should be no place for nazis here.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:53:48 AM
Quote from: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
A very petty and small-minded action Eamonnca1 to be honest with you.

Couple of options you could have considered before starting a crusade to ban a poster you dislike/disagree with:
1. Engage in debate with him and best him that way.
2. There's an ignore function on the board you could use. Fierce useful. I haven't read Seafoid's inane ramblings in years.
3. Leave the board if he annoys you so much.

You are either a fool or are Foxcommander's alt account.

Emmon, it's been clear to me for a long time Foxcommander belongs in the thriving ecosystem of accounts set up with the only purpose being to troll people. These can take the form of trolling a specific county (Roscommon, Mayo and Dublin having significant numbers of 'supporters' or accounts that otherwise are dedicated to posting controversial or insulting personalised nonsense) or in this case, generally trolling hot button current affairs issues. In most cases it's a good assumption to make that some of these accounts are run by those with more 'normal' accounts here. As the admin can see IP addresses this is information he can readily see and refuses to act upon.

The GAABoard creator is an absentee admin and has never shown a willingness to empower others by hiring moderators, instead only seemingly moved to act if it involves cases like Michaela Harte or that killer who Mickey Harte vouched for. The reason he acted in those topics and not others such as the Ched Evans or Paddy Jackson threads indicates it wasn't simply libellous material that was the concern. Read into what that says about who the moderator and where his priorities lie is as you will.

You only feed accounts like Foxcommander by responding to him - in the absence of an admin with any form of conscience, ignoring him is the only answer that works.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
A very petty and small-minded action Eamonnca1 to be honest with you.

Couple of options you could have considered before starting a crusade to ban a poster you dislike/disagree with:
1. Engage in debate with him and best him that way.
2. There's an ignore function on the board you could use. Fierce useful. I haven't read Seafoid's inane ramblings in years.
3. Leave the board if he annoys you so much.

Nail on head, the hypocrisy flows out of Eamonnca1's arse, this is an individual who classified kids enjoying christmas at their own house as spoilt wee b**tards  because they had the audacity to play with their toys, a horrible individual who when he can't debate runs to the mods, no wonder he left Lurgan he was probably an informer.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Rossfan on October 06, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
A very petty and small-minded action Eamonnca1 to be honest with you.

Couple of options you could have considered before starting a crusade to ban a poster you dislike/disagree with:
1. Engage in debate with him and best him that way.
2. There's an ignore function on the board you could use. Fierce useful. I haven't read Seafoid's inane ramblings in years.
3. Leave the board if he annoys you so much.

Nail on head, the hypocrisy flows out of Eamonnca1's arse, this is an individual who classified kids enjoying christmas at their own house as spoilt wee b**tards  because they had the audacity to play with their toys, a horrible individual who when he can't debate runs to the mods, no wonder he left Lurgan he was probably an informer.

Disgraceful post.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Tubberman on October 06, 2017, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

(https://i.imgur.com/FTH3sdx.gif)
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Rudi on October 06, 2017, 11:27:32 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

+1. I ignore Syphilis.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2017, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 06, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: trileacman on October 06, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
A very petty and small-minded action Eamonnca1 to be honest with you.

Couple of options you could have considered before starting a crusade to ban a poster you dislike/disagree with:
1. Engage in debate with him and best him that way.
2. There's an ignore function on the board you could use. Fierce useful. I haven't read Seafoid's inane ramblings in years.
3. Leave the board if he annoys you so much.

Nail on head, the hypocrisy flows out of Eamonnca1's arse, this is an individual who classified kids enjoying christmas at their own house as spoilt wee b**tards  because they had the audacity to play with their toys, a horrible individual who when he can't debate runs to the mods, no wonder he left Lurgan he was probably an informer.

Disgraceful post.

I agree, pretty disgraceful stuff.

I don't agree with EamonnCA1's original post though. Just use the ignore function.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 12:23:58 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 06, 2017, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

(https://i.imgur.com/FTH3sdx.gif)

+1 Eamonnca1 wants somewhere where he can spit vile unchallenged shite and if anyone pulls him up he runs to mods. I stand by my post, and for those of you in disgust maybe you should look at some of Eamonnca1's posts or other regular contributors on this board, for all the chic liberal shite on here, there hides fundamental prejudices.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

I have already, in fact I've ran or been involved in more than a few. I can tell you from experience that it is a very easy job to do better than the admin of GAABoard.

This is just a bog standard pre-built forum so I really don't know what you think is actually hard or time consuming because there is literally nothing that is. I genuinely could make a far better forum technically speaking in about one hour if I'm being honest, this one is particularly out-dated.

The admin here can't be bothered to put in even the most basic of efforts to police obvious trolls and yet there are actually people foolish enough to think they're doing something hard or note-worthy. They are not.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: BennyHarp on October 06, 2017, 12:27:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

I have already, and can tell you from experience that it is a very easy job to do better than the admin of GAABoard.

This is just a bog standard pre-built forum so I really don't know what you think is actually hard or time consuming because there is literally nothing that is.

Post the link to your forum there?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: JoG2 on October 06, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
this board is pretty much  a snap shot of the online world in general these days with a rapidly increasing dosage of wums, trolls and an expanding air of nastiness.  I've been around a while, but was it always polluted with so many binlids?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
this board is pretty much  a snap shot of the online world in general these days with a rapidly increasing dosage of wums, trolls and an expanding air of nastiness.  I've been around a while, but was it always polluted with so many binlids?

Even basic moderation would fix most if not all of that. It shows a genuine lack of conscience on the part of the admin that he finds the status quo acceptable.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Syferus, I'm a mod here. And I can completely agree that I don't spend a lot of time moderating here. I like to post here myself, but I don't have time to go moderating every single thread, or trying to decide whether someone is a WUM, a Troll, or just a genuine contradictorian. I will look at FoxCommanders latest post, as he and several others are on a thin line already and have been told so.

As for the Mickey Harte comment, I'm not sure what you're getting at, but if you think I am from Tyrone, you're off base. Where the bias (if any) comes in is trying to protect people and families of people who might actually read this board. So anyone having a big go at a GAA person will be a lot more likely to provoke action than someone talking about Ryan Giggs. Maybe that's not consistent, but I don't apologise for trying to protect our own. Some people say I don't go far enough.

As for WUMs, Trolls and generally banning people, I'm not in favour of it because one man's trolling is another man's valid opinion. I just try to make sure they don't descend into outright abuse. Quite a lot of people called for your banning, for example, as a troll/WUM. I didn't agree with it, as I felt you hadn't broken any rules and were genuine enough.

It's not always as black and white as you suggest. That being said I have, and other mods have, banned people in the past. And if we need to do it again, we will.

I freely admit I don't moderate every thread and every post. I have a life outside of this board and if that means I'm a bad moderator, so be it. I'm comfortable in trusting people to at least be adult, and when things escalate, then I step in.

One thing I have learned over the years is EVERYONE wants close moderation of those people they disagree with. NOBODY wants to see someone they agree with sanctioned or posts edited.

In short, if everyone was just grown up, you wouldn't need any moderation.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 12:46:49 PM
PS. My absolute favourite is when people post stuff that they know will provoke a response, and then report it when the response is generated. My 4 year old uses the same tactic with her brother !
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Syferus, I'm a mod here. And I can completely agree that I don't spend a lot of time moderating here. I like to post here myself, but I don't have time to go moderating every single thread, or trying to decide whether someone is a WUM, a Troll, or just a genuine contradictorian. I will look at FoxCommanders latest post, as he and several others are on a thin line already and have been told so.

As for the Mickey Harte comment, I'm not sure what you're getting at, but if you think I am from Tyrone, you're off base. Where the bias (if any) comes in is trying to protect people and families of people who might actually read this board. So anyone having a big go at a GAA person will be a lot more likely to provoke action than someone talking about Ryan Giggs. Maybe that's not consistent, but I don't apologise for trying to protect our own. Some people say I don't go far enough.

As for WUMs, Trolls and generally banning people, I'm not in favour of it because one man's trolling is another man's valid opinion. I just try to make sure they don't descend into outright abuse. Quite a lot of people called for your banning, for example, as a troll/WUM. I didn't agree with it, as I felt you hadn't broken any rules and were genuine enough.

It's not always as black and white as you suggest. That being said I have, and other mods have, banned people in the past. And if we need to do it again, we will.

I freely admit I don't moderate every thread and every post. I have a life outside of this board and if that means I'm a bad moderator, so be it. I'm comfortable in trusting people to at least be adult, and when things escalate, then I step in.

One thing I have learned over the years is EVERYONE wants close moderation of those people they disagree with. NOBODY wants to see someone they agree with sanctioned or posts edited.

In short, if everyone was just grown up, you wouldn't need any moderation.

When was that ever the case on the internet? The answer is never.

You either need to moderate the obvious trolls more, or hire people who will. And no, I have no interest in that job. But there are more than a few who would be willing to help out. Not having enough time is no excuse, and that's coming from someone who knows the ins and outs of message board better than most.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 01:05:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

I have already, in fact I've ran or been involved in more than a few. I can tell you from experience that it is a very easy job to do better than the admin of GAABoard.

This is just a bog standard pre-built forum so I really don't know what you think is actually hard or time consuming because there is literally nothing that is. I genuinely could make a far better forum technically speaking in about one hour if I'm being honest, this one is particularly out-dated.

The admin here can't be bothered to put in even the most basic of efforts to police obvious trolls and yet there are actually people foolish enough to think they're doing something hard or note-worthy. They are not.

On you go, and don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
You keep alluding to your vast experience in internet technologies. It's amusing.

Anyhow, I'm not the admin, I'm just a lowly mod. But the time consuming bit is sorting out the squabbles if you want to go into that detail. We used to here, in the years BS, and if you truly do have knowledge of that you would know it is a very time consuming task. Again, people wanted you banned, because you are a WUM.

Imagine that multiplied by about 30 people. You have no idea.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: laoislad on October 06, 2017, 01:11:02 PM
I blame ziggysego. Worst Mod ever.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:13:40 PM
*laoislad is banned*
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
this board is pretty much  a snap shot of the online world in general these days with a rapidly increasing dosage of wums, trolls and an expanding air of nastiness.  I've been around a while, but was it always polluted with so many binlids?

Even basic moderation would fix most if not all of that. It shows a genuine lack of conscience on the part of the admin that he finds the status quo acceptable.

If it is so bad - why are you here, maybe it's because you can post without being moderated?  ;D
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2017, 01:39:00 PM
I've been posting here for about 16 years. I think the mods and admin do and have done a tremendous job. I think that's worth stating.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
You keep alluding to your vast experience in internet technologies. It's amusing.

Anyhow, I'm not the admin, I'm just a lowly mod. But the time consuming bit is sorting out the squabbles if you want to go into that detail. We used to here, in the years BS, and if you truly do have knowledge of that you would know it is a very time consuming task. Again, people wanted you banned, because you are a WUM.

Imagine that multiplied by about 30 people. You have no idea.

I graduated from college with a BSc. in Computer Science, work as a software dev and have used computers since I could walk and have been involved with forums nearly as long (some being very much comparable to this in size, so don't think I don't understand the logistics) - there is no 'alluding' to my experience with technology - it's there in black and white.

But trying to personalise it is just distracting from the real issue - the lack of oversight here. Trying to draw equilvence between people not liking what I say and Foxcommader's blindly obvious status as a dedicated troll account with absolutely no redemptive posts indicating anything other than a desire to cause as much offense as possible is nonsense, to be frank.

There's a difference between a forum with light moderation and one with non-exsistent moderation - this place falls in the later category yet none of what makes it good would be worse if it was in the former. If anyone thinks troll accounts like Foxcommander add anything to the site they are only fooling themselves.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
You keep alluding to your vast experience in internet technologies. It's amusing.

Anyhow, I'm not the admin, I'm just a lowly mod. But the time consuming bit is sorting out the squabbles if you want to go into that detail. We used to here, in the years BS, and if you truly do have knowledge of that you would know it is a very time consuming task. Again, people wanted you banned, because you are a WUM.

Imagine that multiplied by about 30 people. You have no idea.

I graduated from college with a BSc. in Computer Science, work as a software dev and have used computers since I could walk and have been involved with forums nearly as long (some being very much comparable to this in size, so don’t think I don’t understand the logistics) - there is no ‘alluding’ to my experience with technology - it’s there in black and white.

But trying to personalise it is just distracting from the real issue - the lack of oversight here. Trying to draw equilvence between people not liking what I say and Foxcommader’s blindly obvious status as a dedicated troll account with absolutely no redemptive posts indicating anything other than a desire to cause as much offense as possible is nonsense, to be frank.

There’s a difference between a forum with light moderation and one with non-exsistent moderation - this place falls in the later category yet none of what makes it good would be worse if it was in the former. If anyone thinks troll accounts like Foxcommander add anything to the site they are only fooling themselves.

Well done. So did I. I wasn't trying to 'personalise' it, I was just saying that the 'Technology' of an internet forum is different to the mechanics of actually moderating one, so I wasn't sure why you keep alluding to how well you understand Internet technologies. I wasn't having a go at you or your qualifications in that field.

As for troll accounts, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I can get you any number of posters who would be happy to say that you are a WUM, a Troll, and only post to incite a response. I could show you several reports. I have not acted on any of them because I don't believe you are, I just happen to disagree with a lot of what you say, but I think you are genuine.

With some others, I'm not sure, but again I can guarantee you that if they were banned, you have an equal number of people complaining about the ban. So, on the basis that you can never please everyone, I try to do light touch moderation, and only get involved when things get serious with regards to racist posts, abuse or some sort of needlessly out of order remark about a real person, especially in the GAA.

Apologies if you don't agree with that philosophy, but sure that's life.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
You keep alluding to your vast experience in internet technologies. It's amusing.

Anyhow, I'm not the admin, I'm just a lowly mod. But the time consuming bit is sorting out the squabbles if you want to go into that detail. We used to here, in the years BS, and if you truly do have knowledge of that you would know it is a very time consuming task. Again, people wanted you banned, because you are a WUM.

Imagine that multiplied by about 30 people. You have no idea.

I graduated from college with a BSc. in Computer Science, work as a software dev and have used computers since I could walk and have been involved with forums nearly as long (some being very much comparable to this in size, so don't think I don't understand the logistics) - there is no 'alluding' to my experience with technology - it's there in black and white.

But trying to personalise it is just distracting from the real issue - the lack of oversight here. Trying to draw equilvence between people not liking what I say and Foxcommader's blindly obvious status as a dedicated troll account with absolutely no redemptive posts indicating anything other than a desire to cause as much offense as possible is nonsense, to be frank.

There's a difference between a forum with light moderation and one with non-exsistent moderation - this place falls in the later category yet none of what makes it good would be worse if it was in the former. If anyone thinks troll accounts like Foxcommander add anything to the site they are only fooling themselves.

Well done. So did I. I wasn't trying to 'personalise' it, I was just saying that the 'Technology' of an internet forum is different to the mechanics of actually moderating one, so I wasn't sure why you keep alluding to how well you understand Internet technologies. I wasn't having a go at you or your qualifications in that field.

As for troll accounts, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I can get you any number of posters who would be happy to say that you are a WUM, a Troll, and only post to incite a response. I could show you several reports. I have not acted on any of them because I don't believe you are, I just happen to disagree with a lot of what you say, but I think you are genuine.

With some others, I'm not sure, but again I can guarantee you that if they were banned, you have an equal number of people complaining about the ban. So, on the basis that you can never please everyone, I try to do light touch moderation, and only get involved when things get serious with regards to racist posts, abuse or some sort of needlessly out of order remark about a real person, especially in the GAA.

Apologies if you don't agree with that philosophy, but sure that's life.

Do you really think if you banned Foxcommander right now as many people would complain as would be happy? That doesn't show a differering philosophy, that shows a misreading of the situation. Who has the person behind that account even got on the right side of? Maximum offense means minimum attachment. Who are the people who would be outraged if there was less political and social issue baiting on the forum?

Eamonn caught you in a Catch 22 with Foxcommander, because more than any account that's on here it's obvious what it is and what its intent is. The number of times it's went over the line into extreamism and racism is as long as my arm. You can't draw shades of gray where there are none.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
a) I think you'd be surprised.

b) I think you are right. The site would be better without every second thread descending into a political and/or social viewpoint morass, but it's more than just the 'WUMS' that are causing that. Some (a lot) of people seem to genuinely thrive on that sort of stuff. Once they don't go nuts, why would I tell them what is a valid debating topic?

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: J70 on October 06, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 06, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
this board is pretty much  a snap shot of the online world in general these days with a rapidly increasing dosage of wums, trolls and an expanding air of nastiness.  I've been around a while, but was it always polluted with so many binlids?

It's only a few here, in fairness (although there's some inflation with multiple versions of the same person spouting the same shite).

But it's pretty obvious who has a different opinion but is intelligent and thoughtful ( the more of these, the merrier!), who is just plain not very bright and who is intellectually dishonest and/or on the wind-up.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 06, 2017, 02:19:38 PM
This should be like the bible when they were putting Jesus up for crucification. Let people vote who should be banned. Srferus or Foxcommander.

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 02:21:10 PM
At least bigfella is getting a run for his money as the IT king of the world.  ;D
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
a) I think you'd be surprised.

b) I think you are right. The site would be better without every second thread descending into a political and/or social viewpoint morass, but it's more than just the 'WUMS' that are causing that. Some (a lot) of people seem to genuinely thrive on that sort of stuff. Once they don't go nuts, why would I tell them what is a valid debating topic?

The problem is there are plenty of people here who are oblivious to WUMs like Foxcommander and react to them as if they are genuine in their stated positions or opinions - in a lot of cases this leads people down a rabbit hole where others, with opinions not as extreme as Foxcommander's jump in and continue the argument. And by then it has already been framed by comments meant to cause as much offense as possible, so those genuine posters feel emboldened and will go beyond what they otherwise would have in a less heated discussion.

Malcom Galdwell popularised a theory about social 'tresholds', basically what number of people need to be engaging in an activity so that a person who would normally never engage in would take part. You can see the same thing happen here as extreme behaviour is normalised - it just becomes a clusterfùck, a free-for-all.

Being a mod involves taking tough or unpopular actions because they're in the best interests of a forum at large - in this case, I think the only forums that Foxcommander would not have been banned from years ago would be Neo-Nazi or white supremicist ones, and GAABoard. Is that really the company you want this place to be keeping? What is the point of the forum rules then?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
Did you just go all Godwin's law on us? :)
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 02:32:48 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
Did you just go all Godwin's law on us? :)

In a way, but in this instance the poster is literally espousing Neo-Nazi sentiments consistently. Just because saying Nazi is a meme now doesn't mean it shouldn't be used when it actually describes an account's stance. We're not talking about Mickey Harte making his players say Hail Marys and someone saying he's like Hitler.

Please respond to the substantive point being made in the above post.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: trueblue1234 on October 06, 2017, 02:34:49 PM
syferus could have been banned years ago for some of his untrue comments on a minor player. Every bit as bad as anything Fox posted.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 02:32:48 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
Did you just go all Godwin's law on us? :)

In a way, but in this instance the poster is literally espousing Neo-Nazi sentiments consistently. Just because saying Nazi is a meme now doesn't mean it shouldn't be used when it actually describes an account's stance. We're not talking about Mickey Harte making his players say Hail Marys and someone saying he's like Hitler.

Please respond to the substantive point being made in the above post.

I'm not sure what the 'point' was. You hypothesised that he would only be allowed here and in Neo Nazi sites. And then said is that the sort of company we want to keep. That's not a point, that's an innuendo based on you making a highly presumptive statement.

So the answer is 'No, I do not want to be associated with Nazi sites, but neither do I believe he'd be banned from all other sites other than this one.'

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Denn Forever on October 06, 2017, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
Did you just go all Godwin's law on us? :)

Is Godwin's law not themention of Big H?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
Lads, my final say on this matter. I know people are frustrated with not banning posters who seem to constantly set out to wind others up. I also know that banning people brings its own frustrations and upsets from those who want very light moderation if any at all.

I know that most people actually want the same thing, a forum where they can chat and discuss things without being afraid that everything they say is being monitored, but at the same time in a place where it will not be destroyed by WUMs or by continuous abusive messages between posters spoiling the thread for everyone.

Out of interest I have a poll set up to take a pulse on attitudes towards moderation, but I absolutely accept that some threads have been spoiled by people who have no interest in doing anything other than winding people up.

I'm also aware that there are other posters whose views are absolutely abhorrent to me personally, and to a lot of other people. The tricky thing is trying to decide whether banning them is right, because they are more destructive than they are worth, or should they be left in situ so that other people can tear down their nonsense.

It's a balancing act, and I try to err on the side of less bannings, but perhaps I need to take stock of things, and maybe a purge is needed. I will review some of these reported threads and see if we can tighten things up a bit.

Also, I am aware that people start topics like this, in general, out of an interest in improving the board so I have no problem on that score.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Rossfan on October 06, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Bam anyone using the term "Free State".
That should get rid of a few ;D
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2017, 03:11:42 PM
Sorry - but there's nothing tricky about a decision to ban someone who calls another forum member a c*cksucker.


Mod - you signed up for the job to be a moderator. If you don't want to do it - give it up.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2017, 03:11:42 PM
Sorry - but there's nothing tricky about a decision to ban someone who calls another forum member a c*cksucker.


Mod - you signed up for the job to be a moderator. If you don't want to do it - give it up.

what post is that? Was it reported?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: J70 on October 06, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
There should be no problem with opposing points of view IF the person involved discusses honestly.

Unfortunately not always the case.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2017, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2017, 03:11:42 PM
Sorry - but there's nothing tricky about a decision to ban someone who calls another forum member a c*cksucker.


Mod - you signed up for the job to be a moderator. If you don't want to do it - give it up.

what post is that? Was it reported?

You're the moderator - you should know.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 03:32:36 PM
I can find no report of it. did you Report it?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2017, 03:37:59 PM
Who is "Rossfanny"?

Quote from: foxcommander on May 13, 2017, 05:09:28 PMRossfanny is a complete tool. I bet he fawned until he made himself sick

Quote from: foxcommander on December 19, 2015, 03:58:53 PMTop post mate. Too many freestater apologists (the likes of Rossfanny) would have preferred that the people in the o6 sat on their hands and waited to be given equal rights.

Quote from: foxcommander on September 29, 2017, 12:02:05 AMIt's the lad who can't think for himself - wade in for your distressed buddy. good on you rossfanny ;)
You couldn't even find the ignore button if it was right in front of your crosseyes.

Quote from: foxcommander on October 05, 2017, 07:17:29 PMAgain - Rossfanny with his snide little remarks. Come out and debate you snivelling little shit.
Give me a good reason why you support the islamification of europe and the introduction of millions of refugees if you're so worried about Pegida and the far right.
Would love to hear your wisdom on the topic.

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 03:42:16 PM
OK, thanks. The last post was reported yesterday. Certainly a breach of the Personal Abuse rule.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: punt kick on October 06, 2017, 08:18:41 AM

this is an individual who classified kids enjoying christmas at their own house as spoilt wee b**tards  because they had the audacity to play with their toys,

You've misrepresented me on this consistently. My gripe was with parents who let their children's toys overflow all over the house to the point where you can't see the floor and who let their children dominate everything. A perfectly valid opinion.

Quote
no wonder he left Lurgan he was probably an informer.

Reported as libel. That's dangerous talk. Tread carefully, mate.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 06, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
Speaking of bans, did muppet get the kick or was his New Year's Resolution to give up on gaaboard?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 06, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
Wow!
The knives are certainly out. My biggest fans all chipping in. It's like it's been lifted from the democrat playbook. Isolate your target, demonise with some slurs then call for expulsion because a differing point of view offends you.

Bravo! Well played.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: BennyHarp on October 06, 2017, 08:01:14 PM
I want a link to Syferus' perfectly moderated forum where people are free to discuss in open harmony without the threat of wumming or abuse.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 06, 2017, 08:01:14 PM
I want a link to Syferus' perfectly moderated forum where people are free to discuss in open harmony without the threat of wumming or abuse.

I'll pass, thanks.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
He's still here! Why is he still allowed to post here?  He broke Rule 8, the penalty for which is an immediate permanent ban! It's in the book it's in black and white! The book! The book! The book!

Quote8. Joining up to cause trouble, or to annoy people.
   Occasionally, some people join the board simply to post something abusive, or to 'flame' the board. These people are generally easy to spot (see the F365 invasion last
   year) and have no real interest in the GAA Board. Also some people, who have been banned permanently, rejoin under different usernames and continue with the
   behaviour that led to the ban. By tracking IPs, behaviour and other items, we can sometimes tell this fairly easily, and these users will be banned again.
   
   Penalty - Immediate Permanent Ban

Come on, mods! You either have rules or you don't!
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 06, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
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If i'm getting banned he's coming with me :)



Eamon compares people who don't agree with him to Hitler.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 25, 2017, 10:19:59 PM
Jawohl, mein herr.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 01:43:27 AM
"To be honest" 1 has already been tried. It's pointless. I'm using 2 and it has made my life a little better, but unfortunately people insist on quoting him and I still have to look at his rantings and ravings, so it's not that effective. 3 is not an option. He's the one breaking every rule in the book, he's the one with no interest in adding anything constructive, he's the one that should go. There should be no place for nazis here.

This Roscommon person does the usual name calling

Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 05, 2017, 08:32:06 AM
Why are you on a GAA forum and never post in the GAA section?
Presumably because he's some type of Pegida or other extreme right wing nasty.


And syferus is just bitter that I call out his beloved Fine Gael time after time and make fun of them. Then he has the gall to say the following

Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 02:27:30 PM
I think the only forums that Foxcommander would not have been banned from years ago would be Neo-Nazi or white supremicist ones, and GAABoard.

Surely I'm not more right wing than FG?

Eamon - let me know which Lawyer you're planning to use in your libel suit. We can split costs.

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 07, 2017, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

I have already, in fact I've ran or been involved in more than a few. I can tell you from experience that it is a very easy job to do better than the admin of GAABoard.

This is just a bog standard pre-built forum so I really don't know what you think is actually hard or time consuming because there is literally nothing that is. I genuinely could make a far better forum technically speaking in about one hour if I'm being honest, this one is particularly out-dated.

The admin here can't be bothered to put in even the most basic of efforts to police obvious trolls and yet there are actually people foolish enough to think they're doing something hard or note-worthy. They are not.

I'm genuinely unsure if that's the most deliberate missing of the point, or you're just incapable of basic social interaction.

Bizarre
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 07, 2017, 01:48:15 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 07, 2017, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
It's an online discussion forum, complete with an ignore function and everything.

Suggestion for both Syrefus and Emaonnica - if you think you could make a better fist of running a free online forum in your spare time, off with ye.

If ye can't bothered with the hassle, sit down and shut the f**k up.

I have already, in fact I've ran or been involved in more than a few. I can tell you from experience that it is a very easy job to do better than the admin of GAABoard.

This is just a bog standard pre-built forum so I really don't know what you think is actually hard or time consuming because there is literally nothing that is. I genuinely could make a far better forum technically speaking in about one hour if I'm being honest, this one is particularly out-dated.

The admin here can't be bothered to put in even the most basic of efforts to police obvious trolls and yet there are actually people foolish enough to think they're doing something hard or note-worthy. They are not.

I'm genuinely unsure if that's the most deliberate missing of the point, or you're just incapable of basic social interaction.

Bizarre

You don't like what you hear so you belittle. A favoured tactic of some here.

You grandstand about it being tough running a forum and you run straight into the landmine that I'm speaking not as an observer but as someone with a lot of experience actually doing just what you facetiously claimed I should do. But you plow ahead regardless, making some half-hearted attempt to say the point was missed when it was addressed in the most direct way possible. Right.

Stephenite - learn some manners, for the love of God.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 07, 2017, 03:10:06 AM
Where did I say it was tough?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 08, 2017, 02:08:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:43:57 PM

I graduated from college with a BSc. in Computer Science, work as a software dev and have used computers since I could walk and have been involved with forums nearly as long (some being very much comparable to this in size, so don't think I don't understand the logistics) - there is no 'alluding' to my experience with technology - it's there in black and white.

But trying to personalise it is just distracting from the real issue - the lack of oversight here. Trying to draw equilvence between people not liking what I say and Foxcommader's blindly obvious status as a dedicated troll account with absolutely no redemptive posts indicating anything other than a desire to cause as much offehttp://gaaboard.com/board/Themes/default/images/bbc/bold.gifnse as possible is nonsense, to be frank.

There's a difference between a forum with light moderation and one with non-exsistent moderation - this place falls in the later category yet none of what makes it good would be worse if it was in the former. If anyone thinks troll accounts like Foxcommander add anything to the site they are only fooling themselves.

That certainly put the moderator in his box!!
I've read this post at least 50 times and still killing myself laughing. Possibly the best thing on the internet since that dancing baby off Ally McBeal.
Is laughing a punishable offence? Or just i'm not allowed to? Hard to know now.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 02:17:41 AM
Same. Alluding to technicalities as opposed to acting like an adult and understanding the Mods don't particularly want to get involved in every little spat.

The thing that really gets me is the expectation that someone else sort out their complaints on an anonymous Internet forum, the arrogance and/or gross stupidity is breathtaking.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 08, 2017, 02:34:22 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 02:17:41 AM
Same. Alluding to technicalities as opposed to acting like an adult and understanding the Mods don't particularly want to get involved in every little spat.

The thing that really gets me is the expectation that someone else sort out their complaints on an anonymous Internet forum, the arrogance and/or gross stupidity is breathtaking.

This is not a "little spat." This is a trolling campaign that is over a year old and has flagrantly violated several rules of the board, one of which carries an immediate permanent ban. This forum is supposed to have rules and all I'm asking for is that at least some of them be enforced. If the rules are to be discarded then this place will become a honeypot for every far right Nazi on the web. "Come on over to GAAboard! Post links to alt-right websites and insult some lefties while you're at it! It's a great place where you can get away with murder!"

Rules are rules.  There's nothing "arrogant" or "grossly stupid" about it.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 04:40:58 AM
If you're offended by it, as an adult, you have the choice not to engage, but nope, off you run screaming hysterically because somebody on the Internet wasn't nice to you.

Again, the expectation that a Mod should give up his own time or even be bothered to intervene is frankly, pathetic in my opinion. Grow up

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Main Street on October 08, 2017, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 04:40:58 AM
If you're offended by it, as an adult, you have the choice not to engage, but nope, off you run screaming hysterically because somebody on the Internet wasn't nice to you.

Again, the expectation that a Mod should give up his own time or even be bothered to intervene is frankly, pathetic in my opinion. Grow up
Au contraire, there are rules posted by the mod on the discussion board page, some were even discussed with members before posting them up.
Should a post be reported to the mod as violating one of those rules, it's the responsibility of the mod to review the merit of the complaint.
So yes I would expect a mod to give up their time, read a complaint and pass judgement on the merit of the complaint with reference to the rules.
That's the duty of a mod.

It's all gone downhill since Ziggy brown nosed his way to the higher echelons of the board's admin, leaving behind his Mod duty.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2017, 01:50:41 PM
Agree. If there are rules by which the board is moderated then they should be enforced, otherwise just remove the rules (apart from anything illegal or morally dubious) and let everyone defend themselves or use the ignore function.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 08, 2017, 03:31:23 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 04:40:58 AM
If you're offended by it, as an adult, you have the choice not to engage, but nope, off you run screaming hysterically because somebody on the Internet wasn't nice to you.

Again, the expectation that a Mod should give up his own time or even be bothered to intervene is frankly, pathetic in my opinion. Grow up

I gave up responding to you because you don't understand the implicit responsibilities of running a forum, or the general attempts to troll them that any one with even a degree of popularity receive.

What is being asked is both written in the already exsisting rules and would be relatively easy to police as the vast majority only want dedicated troll accounts such as Foxcommander removed.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 09, 2017, 01:11:12 AM
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on October 06, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Syferus, I'm a mod here. And I can completely agree that I don't spend a lot of time moderating here. I like to post here myself, but I don't have time to go moderating every single thread, or trying to decide whether someone is a WUM, a Troll, or just a genuine contradictorian. I will look at FoxCommanders latest post, as he and several others are on a thin line already and have been told so.

As for the Mickey Harte comment, I'm not sure what you're getting at, but if you think I am from Tyrone, you're off base. Where the bias (if any) comes in is trying to protect people and families of people who might actually read this board. So anyone having a big go at a GAA person will be a lot more likely to provoke action than someone talking about Ryan Giggs. Maybe that's not consistent, but I don't apologise for trying to protect our own. Some people say I don't go far enough.

As for WUMs, Trolls and generally banning people, I'm not in favour of it because one man's trolling is another man's valid opinion. I just try to make sure they don't descend into outright abuse. Quite a lot of people called for your banning, for example, as a troll/WUM. I didn't agree with it, as I felt you hadn't broken any rules and were genuine enough.

It's not always as black and white as you suggest. That being said I have, and other mods have, banned people in the past. And if we need to do it again, we will.

I freely admit I don't moderate every thread and every post. I have a life outside of this board and if that means I'm a bad moderator, so be it. I'm comfortable in trusting people to at least be adult, and when things escalate, then I step in.

One thing I have learned over the years is EVERYONE wants close moderation of those people they disagree with. NOBODY wants to see someone they agree with sanctioned or posts edited.

In short, if everyone was just grown up, you wouldn't need any moderation.

So, even given the Mods response above, you still refuse to accept the fact that no one has the 'right' to have their opinions listened to, or that the Mods might simply disagree with the interpretation some others have of their rules?

The only responsibilities anyone has in running this forum is to do so as they see fit, not as you or any others decide - is it that difficult to understand?

As before, if you don't like it, there is a little X in the top right hand corner, otherwise known as 'don't let the door hit you on the way out'




Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2017, 09:46:06 AM
If there wasn't an "ignore" function I'd possibly be more in favour of giving people the boot. It's much easier just to ignore them and get on with it. There are a few on this site who I think really sail close to the wind with personal abuse and stalking/harassment/feuding but if I can ignore them then let them off.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 09, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
Hi Lads,

I've done a bit of digging and thinking on this, and I take on board the point about enforcing rules we have in place. If you report a post, I will moderate it based on the rules we have published. I will not proactively trawl through posts on every thread to make sure everything is in order, but if I see something myself that is unreported I will follow up just as if it were reported.

I will refer to the following rules a lot of the time as my guide, and I will adhere to their penalties and try my best to implement the spirit of the rules.

1. Personal abuse.
    Personal abuse is one of the most common problems on internet boards. Known sometimes as 'playing the man', whether foul language is used or not, this behaviour is
    not allowed.
    e.g. Calling someone a fat fool is the same as calling someone something more vulgar. This rule applies even in situations where another user has breached this, or
    another rule. Retaliation is still a breach of the rule.
   
    Penalties- 1st Offence - Warning,  Second Offence - 2 Day Ban, Third Offence - 10 Day Ban, Fourth Offence - Permanent Ban

I hope this is self explanatory. To me this is the just as bad as 'trolling' in bringing threads into an unreadable state. And many posters have been guilty of this. It stops now. If you can't reply to a poster without insulting them, then either ignore their posts completely, or you will be subject to the above. That goes for everyone.


2. Libellous/insulting posts about a real person

   In this day and age, many more people are becoming aware of the existance of boards such as this. While this is generally a good thing, it also means that the posts are
   more likely to be read by a casual visitor to the site. In these circumstances, the board must protect itself against allegations of libel, or defamation and so any posts
   which make derogatory remarks about a named, or clearly implied, individual, are a serious breach of the rules, and dangerous to the board itself. This particularly applies
   to individuals' private lives, finances, legal issues etc etc. This also applies to unwarranted abuse of GAA players and officials.
   
   Penalties - 1st Offence - Warning, Second Offence  - 5 Day Ban, Third Offence - Permanent Ban

This one I freely admit is not consistent in its application. Where the topic of conversation is Irish, or particularly part of the GAA community, then you are treading on very dangerous ground and that will be a red flag item for Moderators. However, that doesn't mean you have carte blanche to talk about other people, and if posts are reported, you will also be subject to the above.

4. Inappropriate posts, incitement or racist posting.
   This is a very broad topic, and can be the most subjective in the way the moderators view things. In general, it would be the 'good manners' rule. Specific examples of
    inappropriate posts would be the following. (This list is by no means conclusive)
      - Abusive posts between fans of soccer teams, clearly not part of good humoured banter. Mentions of Hillsborough, Munich, Heysel or alluding to these incidents in a
        way designed to incite other posters to break forum rules.
      - Sectarian posts, or posts advocating violence against any community or person. Some of the topics under discussion from the different cultures on this island have
        come close to this. That will not be allowed or accomodated.
      - Racist posts, including posts propogating racist views about any race or community.
      - inappropriate posts such as the Maddie McCann jokes etc.
     
   Penalties - 1st Offence - Warning, Second Offence - 10 Day Ban, Third Offence - Permanent Ban

This rule was brought into effect because this board was almost ruined by soccer threads descending into madness. It is obvious that we need to reiterate this rule, not just for soccer, but for far wider areas. With the current refugee crisis, and other social issues, posts about groups like Refugees, Asylum Seekers, Racial Groups or the Travelling Community are all covered by this rule. If you make a racist or insulting post about any such group, you will be pulled up on it. This is subjective in certain areas, as mentioned above, but it is objective in those specific areas.  This does not mean that you cannot have an opinion that Refugees or Asylum Seekers should/should not be allowed into the country etc, but if you have such an opinion, you cannot use racist terms, or stereotypes to back up that sort of position. You'll have to tread a fine line and debate it properly. If your opinions are distasteful to many, you should expect to be challenged on them, and if you veer into this territory, you will be subject to this rule.

8. Joining up to cause trouble, or to annoy people.
   Occasionally, some people join the board simply to post something abusive, or to 'flame' the board. These people are generally easy to spot (see the F365 invasion last
   year) and have no real interest in the GAA Board. Also some people, who have been banned permanently, rejoin under different usernames and continue with the
   behaviour that led to the ban. By tracking IPs, behaviour and other items, we can sometimes tell this fairly easily, and these users will be banned again.
   
   Penalty - Immediate Permanent Ban

This may be the most subjective of all, and was actually created to counter a very specific scenario where we had posters from F365 joining, posting highly inflammatory material, and then being banned. This was not a 'trolling' rule. However as people have pointed out, it could easily be interpreted in that manner and so that is a valid perspective. Trolls are hard to legislate for, because as long as they do not post abuse, do not post racist or vulgar material, and argue their position in a logical manner, then it is hard to call them trolls. Of course if a pattern of contrarian behaviour emerges, then the likelihood is that these are not genuinely held positions (no matter how abhorrent they appear to a lot of us) but they are actually trolling.


So what does all that mean? It means that I cannot and will not ban someone for having a contrary position, even if it is a horrible one, as long as that person adheres to board rules about posting of material.

I encourage people who do not want to engage or read such posts to ignore, or alternatively to report them if they are in clear breach of one of the rules, especially the ones mentioned here.

If a poster or posters are seen to have a pattern of 'stirring it up' across several topics, then the moderator will make a subjective decision on whether the poster is a troll and can take action according to Rule 8.

Finally, as for myself, I will commit to reviewing all reports within as quick a time as possible, and I will use those rules as a guideline. I think we do need to tighten things up to make this board more usable, and that has been a bit lax recently. I won't please everyone. Some of your reports will be not acted on, but I will try explain why. Some bans will annoy people, but I hope this post explains the rationale.

I hope this post explains my thinking on this, other moderators and the admin may have a different view, but until told otherwise, this is the direction I will take.

Cheers
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stephenite on October 09, 2017, 11:30:26 AM
Weak :)
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: ziggysego on October 09, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: laoislad on October 06, 2017, 01:11:02 PM
I blame ziggysego. Worst Mod ever.

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Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: J70 on October 09, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
What was the F365 invasion??
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
We don't speak of the F365 invasion.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Denn Forever on October 09, 2017, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
We don't speak of the F365 invasion.

An Irish solution toeverything.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 09, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 08, 2017, 04:40:58 AM
If you're offended by it, as an adult, you have the choice not to engage, but nope, off you run screaming hysterically because somebody on the Internet wasn't nice to you.

Again, the expectation that a Mod should give up his own time or even be bothered to intervene is frankly, pathetic in my opinion. Grow up

If someone signs up to be a mod then I expect them to do their jobs. "Grow up" indeed!
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 09, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
Maybe there should be a gofundme or similar donation site where posters can contribute to operating costs for Moderators to compensate for their time. Maybe Syferus or some other internet guru could point in the right direction.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 09, 2017, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 06, 2017, 11:06:58 PM
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If i'm getting banned he's coming with me :)



Eamon compares people who don't agree with him to Hitler.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 25, 2017, 10:19:59 PM
Jawohl, mein herr.

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 06, 2017, 01:43:27 AM
"To be honest" 1 has already been tried. It's pointless. I'm using 2 and it has made my life a little better, but unfortunately people insist on quoting him and I still have to look at his rantings and ravings, so it's not that effective. 3 is not an option. He's the one breaking every rule in the book, he's the one with no interest in adding anything constructive, he's the one that should go. There should be no place for nazis here.

This Roscommon person does the usual name calling

Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 05, 2017, 08:32:06 AM
Why are you on a GAA forum and never post in the GAA section?
Presumably because he's some type of Pegida or other extreme right wing nasty.


And syferus is just bitter that I call out his beloved Fine Gael time after time and make fun of them. Then he has the gall to say the following

Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 02:27:30 PM
I think the only forums that Foxcommander would not have been banned from years ago would be Neo-Nazi or white supremicist ones, and GAABoard.

Surely I'm not more right wing than FG?

Eamon - let me know which Lawyer you're planning to use in your libel suit. We can split costs.

It doesn't surprise me that Syferus is a blueshirt.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I can see no good reason for banning Fox Commander.

He is an educational force for many on the board, about 30% of Americans think along the lines he posts.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 10, 2017, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I can see no good reason for banning Fox Commander.

He is an educational force for many on the board, about 30% of Americans think along the lines he posts.

I think you'll find that over 50% of americans are in agreement with me if you use President Trumps victory margin in the 2016 election over Crooked Hillary

Happy Columbus day to all my US friends. Don't let the current wave of liberal cultural brainwashing take away from such a historic event.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 04:02:54 AM
FoxC,
Your political opinions subjectively I disagree with.

At least on your mathematics I can be objective in pointing out that  you are incorrect. But then along with the rest of your ilk, I am aware that you care not a jot for science, mathematics or facts, so I'm not sure you'll care.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: omaghjoe on October 10, 2017, 04:49:55 AM
What did foxy do exactly?
I can only think of one multiple account but the other one is banned... IM if anyone feels like it who they are
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: stew on October 10, 2017, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I can see no good reason for banning Fox Commander.

He is an educational force for many on the board, about 30% of Americans think along the lines he posts.

And you have the balls to speak about incorrect Math! ::)
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: rosnarun on October 10, 2017, 03:25:41 PM
I saw Goody Foxcommander with the Devil
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 10, 2017, 03:38:44 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on October 10, 2017, 04:49:55 AM
What did foxy do exactly?
I can only think of one multiple account but the other one is banned... IM if anyone feels like it who they are

He upset a blueshirt who did a distance learning course on the internet by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 10, 2017, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: stew on October 10, 2017, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I can see no good reason for banning Fox Commander.

He is an educational force for many on the board, about 30% of Americans think along the lines he posts.

And you have the balls to speak about incorrect Math! ::)
Influenced by the American English much?
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Rossfan on October 10, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 10, 2017, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: stew on October 10, 2017, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I can see no good reason for banning Fox Commander.

He is an educational force for many on the board, about 30% of Americans think along the lines he posts.

And you have the balls to speak about incorrect Math! ::)
Influenced by the American English much?
Nothing worse than Paddy going native :'(
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 10, 2017, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 04:02:54 AM
FoxC,
Your political opinions subjectively I disagree with.

At least on your mathematics I can be objective in pointing out that  you are incorrect. But then along with the rest of your ilk, I am aware that you care not a jot for science, mathematics or facts, so I'm not sure you'll care.

The 50% was said pleading for someone to pick up on the point.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: J70 on October 10, 2017, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 10, 2017, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 04:02:54 AM
FoxC,
Your political opinions subjectively I disagree with.

At least on your mathematics I can be objective in pointing out that  you are incorrect. But then along with the rest of your ilk, I am aware that you care not a jot for science, mathematics or facts, so I'm not sure you'll care.

The 50% was said pleading for someone to pick up on the point.

Exactly. Shit-stirring.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 10, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 04:02:54 AM
FoxC,
Your political opinions subjectively I disagree with.

At least on your mathematics I can be objective in pointing out that  you are incorrect. But then along with the rest of your ilk, I am aware that you care not a jot for science, mathematics or facts, so I'm not sure you'll care.

Fact

President Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton was initially 306 to 232, giving him 56.9 percent of votes.
That's over 50%.

Maths!

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 10, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
Maths, whats % of the overall vote he get, thought Clinton got 3-4 million more than him, vote wise overall
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2017, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 10, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
Maths, whats % of the overall vote he get, thought Clinton got 3-4 million more than him, vote wise overall

You fell for it. He posts a blatantly false statement, you rose to the bait beautifully to refute it.

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 10, 2017, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2017, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 10, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
Maths, whats % of the overall vote he get, thought Clinton got 3-4 million more than him, vote wise overall

You fell for it. He posts a blatantly false statement, you rose to the bait beautifully to refute it.

Eamon - I was responding to Heganboy and his maths query with a % of electoral college votes President Trump won in the 2016 election. It's based on fact and actual results.

Stop harrassing me please or I'll have to report you to the moderators.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: The Iceman on October 10, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
I see no reason to ban him. Eamonn in fairness at one point I was going to take your head off for comments you made.
Many of us have our gripes with other posters. We can easily use the ignore function or just not let it bother us. I choose to not let you bother me anymore.

There's too much niggling going on here these days. It went past friendly banter to bullying. It needs to stop lads
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
Boycott ! Stop responding to him
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 10, 2017, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
Boycott! Stop responding to him

Going by your own crusade personal insults should result in an instant ban? I think the moderators even said so.

Maybe someone else can clarify the rule here.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Syferus on October 10, 2017, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 10, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
Boycott! Stop responding to him.

There's too many gullible marks here for him for that to work, sadly.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: ashman on October 10, 2017, 11:32:33 PM
Foxcommander has an interesting plurality of views .
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Itchy on October 10, 2017, 11:49:29 PM
I think anyone who goes on a gaa forum and never posts anything about the gaa should get the shite bet out of them and then a ban. If mods were any addition they'd put that in the rules.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: foxcommander on October 11, 2017, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: ashman on October 10, 2017, 11:32:33 PM
Foxcommander has an interesting plurality of views .

Actually

(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/fatherted/S02E07/S02E07-vhnsEjHC-subtitled.jpg)

Applies to one or two folk on here.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Don Johnson on October 11, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: J70 on October 09, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
What was the F365 invasion??

Someone got banned, went to Football365 and got a load of them to register, they all started posting porn, Maddy McCann pics etc.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: J70 on October 11, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 11, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: J70 on October 09, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
What was the F365 invasion??

Someone got banned, went to Football365 and got a load of them to register, they all started posting porn, Maddy McCann pics etc.

Must have been short lived. I've no recollection of it.
Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: heganboy on October 11, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 10, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 10, 2017, 04:02:54 AM
FoxC,
Your political opinions subjectively I disagree with.

At least on your mathematics I can be objective in pointing out that  you are incorrect. But then along with the rest of your ilk, I am aware that you care not a jot for science, mathematics or facts, so I'm not sure you'll care.

Fact

President Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton was initially 306 to 232, giving him 56.9 percent of votes.
That's over 50%.

Maths!

Only one fish caught on the trip Foxy? Bit disappointed?

Title: Re: Foxcommander
Post by: Don Johnson on October 11, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 11, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 11, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: J70 on October 09, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
What was the F365 invasion??

Someone got banned, went to Football365 and got a load of them to register, they all started posting porn, Maddy McCann pics etc.

Must have been short lived. I've no recollection of it.

It was only a day or two I think. Used to be automatic registration on here before it, then they had to change it that you had to be approved.