Preliminary Round: 18th October
Derry v Fermanagh
Quarter Finals: 1st November
Armagh v Antrim
Cavan v Down
Donegal v Tyrone
Monaghan v Derry/Fermanagh
Semi Finals: 15th November
Armagh / Antrim v Cavan / Down
Donegal / Tyrone v Monaghan v Derry/Fermanagh
Ulster club intermediate football championship
First Round:18th October
Down v Derry
Quarter Finals: 1st November
Antrim v Fermanagh
Donegal v Armagh
Cavan v Monaghan
Tyrone v Down/Derry
Ulster club junior football championship
First Round: 18th October
Armagh v Fermanagh
Quarter Finals: 1st November:
Donegal v Cavan
Down v Antrim
Tyrone v Derry
Monaghan v Armagh/Fermanagh
One of Antrim or Armagh's biggins will bite the dust in rd 1
Cross should retain their Armagh crown, they're minus Jamie Clarke but are still destroying teams, namely Granemore and Killeavy with the winners of Ogs/Dromintee next up for a spanking.
Intermediate has about 8 teams who could arguably win, but Clann Eireann and Madden have been the most consistent sides in the league so far.
Junior I haven't a clue lol
The Armagh Intermediate is the hardest in Armagh to win. League doesnt really come into it . Grange and Whitecross and St.Peters now have their county men back and would def be among the favs
Quote from: SimonSays on August 27, 2015, 04:37:59 PM
The Armagh Intermediate is the hardest in Armagh to win. League doesnt really come into it . Grange and Whitecross and St.Peters now have their county men back and would def be among the favs
Well saying St Paul's won the intermediate league/champ double last year I'd say league would have some bearing.
Cross-Galls in the QFs would be a tasty way to kick off the provincial season..
Quote from: general_lee on August 27, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Cross should retain their Armagh crown, they're minus Jamie Clarke but are still destroying teams, namely Granemore and Killeavy with the winners of Ogs/Dromintee next up for a spanking.
Intermediate has about 8 teams who could arguably win, but Clann Eireann and Madden have been the most consistent sides in the league so far.
Junior I haven't a clue lol
Cross won't get it as handy against Dromintee this time around.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2015, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 27, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Cross should retain their Armagh crown, they're minus Jamie Clarke but are still destroying teams, namely Granemore and Killeavy with the winners of Ogs/Dromintee next up for a spanking.
Intermediate has about 8 teams who could arguably win, but Clann Eireann and Madden have been the most consistent sides in the league so far.
Junior I haven't a clue lol
Cross won't get it as handy against Dromintee this time around.
Sure they only won by 11 points last year, they might do as well again.
The senior could be more competitive in Fermanagh this year.
Roslea will clearly be the favourites with the 3 Quigleys but they have lost James Sherry who was a major influence on there team. Derrygonnelly and Devenish have 4 or 5 county men now and if Erne Gaels can get past Tempo, they could be the dark horses in the competition.
Fermanagh Intermediate will be interesting this year.
The championships have been redone and the senior championship has been limited to just 8 teams.
A lot of good teams in the intermediate this year and the winners will certainly be good enough to give Ulster a rattle.
We also have the return of the Fermanagh Junior championship as well after I do not know how long.
Again the winners here could be a handful on the Ulster stage.
How many Fermanagh clubs make up the intermediate and junior championships?
Omagh/Crossmaglen Final. (BOLD statement)
Cross to win.
Anyone give me odds on this prediction coming true?
Quote from: general_lee on August 28, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
How many Fermanagh clubs make up the intermediate and junior championships?
8 in the Senior
8 Intermediate
4 in the Junior
Anyone care to have a guess of the 9 winners for a bit o craic ?
I'm going to go
Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Crossmaglen
Cavan - Cavan Gaels
Derry - Lavey
Donegal - Kilcar
Down - Burren
Fermanagh - Roslea
Monaghan - Scotstown
Tyrone - Dromore
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2015, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 27, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
Cross should retain their Armagh crown, they're minus Jamie Clarke but are still destroying teams, namely Granemore and Killeavy with the winners of Ogs/Dromintee next up for a spanking.
Intermediate has about 8 teams who could arguably win, but Clann Eireann and Madden have been the most consistent sides in the league so far.
Junior I haven't a clue lol
Is that the same poor Dromintee side I watched the Ogs beat comfortably?
Cross won't get it as handy against Dromintee this time around.
Kilcoo beat burren 2-7 to 1-9 in down championship 1/4 final.
Donegal SFC
This weekends QF results:
N. Conaill 0-11 Termon 1-05
Kilcar 3-13 Four Masters 0-08
St Michael's 3-15 Malin 1-05
St Eunan's 3-07 Glenswilly 0-08
Draw for the SFs
N. Conaill v Kilcar
St. Eunans v St Michaels
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on August 28, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Omagh/Crossmaglen Final. (BOLD statement)
Cross to win.
Anyone give me odds on this prediction coming true?
Beaten docket.
Cavan at semi final stage.
Castlerahan v Killeshandra
Kingscourt v Killygarry
Cavan Gaels bet last weekend.
Quote from: orangeman on September 13, 2015, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: Keyboard Warrior on August 28, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Omagh/Crossmaglen Final. (BOLD statement)
Cross to win.
Anyone give me odds on this prediction coming true?
Beaten docket.
Only the first part!
Cross v Maghery
Ballymacnab v Harps
Looks like a repeat of last year's final unless Maghery finally grow a set
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 22, 2015, 07:30:30 AM
Cavan at semi final stage.
Castlerahan v Killeshandra
Kingscourt v Killygarry
Cavan Gaels bet last weekend.
Is there a side entrance as well as a back door in cavan?
Quote from: general_lee on September 22, 2015, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 22, 2015, 07:30:30 AM
Cavan at semi final stage.
Castlerahan v Killeshandra
Kingscourt v Killygarry
Cavan Gaels bet last weekend.
Is there a side entrance as well as a back door in cavan?
Back door before quarters. Kingscourt got two chances because they lost in preliminary.
After several replays in the early stages, the semi-finals in Monaghan are now set.
Scotstown v Castleblayney
Clontibret v Monaghan Harps
Very likely to be Clontibret - Scotstown for a third final in a row(imo).
Castlerahan Kingscourt final in Cavan.
Quote from: general_lee on September 22, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
Cross v Maghery
Ballymacnab v Harps
Looks like a repeat of last year's final unless Maghery finally grow a set
A bit unfair, as nobody has been able to beat Cross for years, not just Maghery.
Naomh Conaill (Glenties) v St, Eunans (Letterkenny) in the Donegal SFC final
Quote from: BennyCake on September 27, 2015, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 22, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
Cross v Maghery
Ballymacnab v Harps
Looks like a repeat of last year's final unless Maghery finally grow a set
A bit unfair, as nobody has been able to beat Cross for years, not just Maghery.
Cross beat Maghery yesterday, while determined Maghery were a bit indisciplined.
Harps won today, so a repeat final is in prospect.
It looks like a pretty interesting one this year. Champions out in Antrim, Tyrone, Cavan, Ballinderry out of Derry, Harps could beat Cross, Coleraine could beat S'niel. Monaghan has 4 strong teams left, though I would fancy Scotstown to come out of there. Ireckonif Cross or Kilcoo make it into Ulster either of them should win it but I fancy a wee outside on Scotstown.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 28, 2015, 10:14:56 AM
It looks like a pretty interesting one this year. Champions out in Antrim, Tyrone, Cavan, Ballinderry out of Derry, Harps could beat Cross, Coleraine could beat S'niel. Monaghan has 4 strong teams left, though I would fancy Scotstown to come out of there. Ireckonif Cross or Kilcoo make it into Ulster either of them should win it but I fancy a wee outside on Scotstown.
Should ??
You do realize Slaughtneil are the holders and both Kilcoo and Crossmaglen were dumped out I their first games last year.
Gotta love arrogance
Quote from: time ticking away on September 28, 2015, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 28, 2015, 10:14:56 AM
It looks like a pretty interesting one this year. Champions out in Antrim, Tyrone, Cavan, Ballinderry out of Derry, Harps could beat Cross, Coleraine could beat S'niel. Monaghan has 4 strong teams left, though I would fancy Scotstown to come out of there. Ireckonif Cross or Kilcoo make it into Ulster either of them should win it but I fancy a wee outside on Scotstown.
Should ??
You do realize Slaughtneil are the holders and both Kilcoo and Crossmaglen were dumped out I their first games last year.
Gotta love arrogance
Back to back titles are rare, we have done it, Burren did twice in the 80's Scotstown and Clan na Gael in the 70's and Bryansford in the 69/70 seasons. For all the great teams Derry have produced, and they have produced fine teams, not one has won back to back titles. It will be a big ask of them.
Glenties for Ulster with the Bomber at the helm ;)
They have a solid enough team with Anthony Thompson, Leo McCloone, Brick Molloy. They made the ulster club final in 2010 so have some experience.
That's if they they get over St Eunans first in Co final.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 29, 2015, 10:29:58 AM
They have a solid enough team with Anthony Thompson, Leo McCloone, Brick Molloy. They made the ulster club final in 2010 so have some experience.
That's if they they get over St Eunans first in Co final.
I expect Eunan's to win. Rory Kavanagh, Kevin Rafferty and big John Haran will dominate the middle and their forwards will get the supply they need.
I would imagine the contenders will be:
Antrim - cargin look a quality side.
Armagh - cross will be short price favourites but look a long way short of previous cross sides
Cavan - no contenders here
Derry - s'neill are nothing special but are probably contenders
Donegal - no contenders here
Down - kilcoo must be serious contenders
Fermanagh - no contenders here
Monaghan - scotstown seem to be very strong. Contenders
Tyrone - a county title will be a fair achievement for either killyclogher / trillick
It certainly won't be a vintage Ulster championship. In short, I think it's between kilcoo and scotstown and to a lesser extent cross, cargin and s'neill
Slaughtneil nothing special lol cheers needed a laugh this morning
How did the Fermanagh final go?
Cross Rangers 2-22 Armagh Harps 0-10.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 11, 2015, 05:16:10 PM
Cross Rangers 2-22 Armagh Harps 0-10.
A 19th county title in 20 years?
Hearty 19 medals. First as captain.
Kingscourt Stars won today in Cavan beating Castlerahan by 1 point.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 11, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Hearty 19 medals. First as captain.
Still the best keeper in Armagh. Surprised it was so easy, Harps shit the togs again.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 11, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 11, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Hearty 19 medals. First as captain.
Still the best keeper in Armagh. Surprised it was so easy, Harps shit the togs again.
Always classy in victory
Quote from: In hiding on October 11, 2015, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 11, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 11, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Hearty 19 medals. First as captain.
Still the best keeper in Armagh. Surprised it was so easy, Harps shit the togs again.
Always classy in victory
Like you they were in hiding. Sometimes the truth hurts
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 11, 2015, 05:05:17 PM
How did the Fermanagh final go?
Derrygonnelly Harps won a high scoring game 3 16 to 3 7 or so v Roslea
Kilcoo won Down
100% correct, filled them.
The state of David McKenna and he ran the f**king show.
Big players let youse down Benny, the expected dominance in midfield was never there. A few lads like the young McConville lad in defense worked hard but too few turned up. Hopefully we will get a few lads back too for the ulster run as there is a chance there to do ok
would love to see Kilcoo push on and win Ulster. It seems wide open this year. Trillick worth an outside bet if they keep the celebrations to a minimum?.
Some achievement for Trillick to come straight up from intermediate to win senior. Very few teams could do that. Having seen Kilcoo play a few times over the last couple of years they should have a chance in Ulster. Would prefer anyone else to win though.
In Armagh Cross won again. They are not the team of old but until a team in Armagh grows a set they are likely to dominate for another dozen years.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 11, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
Some achievement for Trillick to come straight up from intermediate to win senior. Very few teams could do that. Having seen Kilcoo play a few times over the last couple of years they should have a chance in Ulster. Would prefer anyone else to win though.
In Armagh Cross won again. They are not the team of old but until a team in Armagh grows a set they are likely to dominate for another dozen years.
?? For any particular reason? Ulster is definitely wide open this year with a few big names out of the reckoning. Cross would have to be favourites, despite a slow start in Armagh worryingly for the rest they seem to be stepping up a gear at the right time. Kilcoo will get it tight up in Cavan but I would expect a win and would set up an outstanding semi with cross, who I presume will make the semi. Should be a good Ulster Club well worth the viewing over the next month or so.
Quote from: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
would love to see Kilcoo push on and win Ulster. It seems wide open this year. Trillick worth an outside bet if they keep the celebrations to a minimum?.
Are you serious? They've defied all odds to win Tyrone and you think they'd have any chance in Ulster? Notwithstanding the terrible record tyrone clubs I'd be amazed if they win their first game in ulster
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
would love to see Kilcoo push on and win Ulster. It seems wide open this year. Trillick worth an outside bet if they keep the celebrations to a minimum?.
Are you serious? They've defied all odds to win Tyrone and you think they'd have any chance in Ulster? Notwithstanding the terrible record tyrone clubs I'd be amazed if they win their first game in ulster
Hope you enjoyed your borefest of a championship!
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
would love to see Kilcoo push on and win Ulster. It seems wide open this year. Trillick worth an outside bet if they keep the celebrations to a minimum?.
Are you serious? They've defied all odds to win Tyrone and you think they'd have any chance in Ulster? Notwithstanding the terrible record tyrone clubs I'd be amazed if they win their first game in ulster
Jesus calm down lad, I am merely asking have they any chance, did you not see the question mark at the end of the post?
Quote from: redhandefender on October 12, 2015, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
would love to see Kilcoo push on and win Ulster. It seems wide open this year. Trillick worth an outside bet if they keep the celebrations to a minimum?.
Are you serious? They've defied all odds to win Tyrone and you think they'd have any chance in Ulster? Notwithstanding the terrible record tyrone clubs I'd be amazed if they win their first game in ulster
Hope you enjoyed your borefest of a championship!
don't get me started! >:(
Lol Charlie Tully you never know. I certainly didn't fancy Trillick to do the business in tyrone nor did many of the natives. Element of surprise gone plus a tie against Donegal winners who are both experienced at this level would have me thinking they might not get far
True but omagh didn't exactly come out of the blue the way trillick have. Only so many surprises you can spring in championship football
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 12, 2015, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
True but omagh didn't exactly come out of the blue the way trillick have. Only so many surprises you can spring in championship football
The only notable surprise Trillick had on their Tyrone run was walloping Coalisland in the semi-final. Arguably they didn't have the most testing of runs up to that point but you can only try and beat what is put in front of you. Also Omagh last year in their Tyrone run won three of their championship games with late goals before entering Ulster.
Which 3 games did they win with late goals ?
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
True but omagh didn't exactly come out of the blue the way trillick have. Only so many surprises you can spring in championship football
If trillick had the head down and going at it they have enough quality to beat anyone in ulster. Unfortunately seeing as how we are not the Crossmaglen Senior Football Championship to win it in Tyrone could be once in a generation so the boys will hit it hard I would imagine! They were surprise package for sure but they didn't pull any tactical masterstrokes, just the young team coming good at the right time. Coalisland and killyclougher would not have been surprised by the way trillick played
Antrim SFC Final
Cargin v. Lamh Dhearg
Cargin would be favourites here having had an 8 point victory over St Galls earlier. Lamh Dhearg looking for a first championship since 1992.
Sunday 18 October
Quote from: redhandefender on October 13, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
True but omagh didn't exactly come out of the blue the way trillick have. Only so many surprises you can spring in championship football
If trillick had the head down and going at it they have enough quality to beat anyone in ulster. Unfortunately seeing as how we are not the Crossmaglen Senior Football Championship to win it in Tyrone could be once in a generation so the boys will hit it hard I would imagine! They were surprise package for sure but they didn't pull any tactical masterstrokes, just the young team coming good at the right time. Coalisland and killyclougher would not have been surprised by the way trillick played
Trying to decipher that first bit I think it's a dig at armagh club football? Which I will agree entirely is pathetic hence my increasingly growing interest in other counties' football!
As for trillick, a 14/1 shot to win a SFC is virtually unheard of. Fair play to them but I just think inexperience will get to them in ulster though I might be proved wrong.
Quote from: general_lee on October 14, 2015, 06:56:43 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on October 13, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 12, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
True but omagh didn't exactly come out of the blue the way trillick have. Only so many surprises you can spring in championship football
If trillick had the head down and going at it they have enough quality to beat anyone in ulster. Unfortunately seeing as how we are not the Crossmaglen Senior Football Championship to win it in Tyrone could be once in a generation so the boys will hit it hard I would imagine! They were surprise package for sure but they didn't pull any tactical masterstrokes, just the young team coming good at the right time. Coalisland and killyclougher would not have been surprised by the way trillick played
Trying to decipher that first bit I think it's a dig at armagh club football? Which I will agree entirely is pathetic hence my increasingly growing interest in other counties' football!
As for trillick, a 14/1 shot to win a SFC is virtually unheard of. Fair play to them but I just think inexperience will get to them in ulster though I might be proved wrong.
You could have got Trillick as big as 25/1 before a ball was kicked in Tyrone
To be honest I wouldn't read too much into Crossmaglen's win over Harps, it was a collapse of epic proportions on our part and we made them look so much better than I think they really are. It seems a ludicrous thing to say after their superiority over us in MF on Sunday, but i'd say you'll not see 2 primary Midfielders in worse condition than Mckenna and to a lesser extent Hanratty in the AI club series. We also made Rico Kelly look like an Allstar in FF, that wont happen again.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2015, 09:17:45 PM
To be honest I wouldn't read too much into Crossmaglen's win over Harps, it was a collapse of epic proportions on our part and we made them look so much better than I think they really are. It seems a ludicrous thing to say after their superiority over us in MF on Sunday, but i'd say you'll not see 2 primary Midfielders in worse condition than Mckenna and to a lesser extent Hanratty in the AI club series. We also made Rico Kelly look like an Allstar in FF, that wont happen again.
I doubt that anyone sees the Armagh final win as anything other than a mostly competent performance, but with flaws, against a team that just wasn't up for it. Cross will be well aware that after a similar victory last year, when Harps played much better, they were flat and came a cropper against Omagh and they know right well that the forwards will not be given as much space against the likes of Kilcoo. However, they've had longer periods of good play in each successive game and this is going in the right direction.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 14, 2015, 11:18:28 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 14, 2015, 09:17:45 PM
To be honest I wouldn't read too much into Crossmaglen's win over Harps, it was a collapse of epic proportions on our part and we made them look so much better than I think they really are. It seems a ludicrous thing to say after their superiority over us in MF on Sunday, but i'd say you'll not see 2 primary Midfielders in worse condition than Mckenna and to a lesser extent Hanratty in the AI club series. We also made Rico Kelly look like an Allstar in FF, that wont happen again.
I doubt that anyone sees the Armagh final win as anything other than a mostly competent performance, but with flaws, against a team that just wasn't up for it. Cross will be well aware that after a similar victory last year, when Harps played much better, they were flat and came a cropper against Omagh and they know right well that the forwards will not be given as much space against the likes of Kilcoo. However, they've had longer periods of good play in each successive game and this is going in the right direction.
Cross? flat against Omagh in the Ulster championship? Cross are NEVER flat in Ulster they just got beat by a better team on the day. Like bennydorano says Harps made them look a lot better than they are (though I'm really starting to doubt all the hype about the Harps) and they won't get that much space against Cargin* never mind Kilcoo. On experience alone cross have to be one of the favs for Ulster and no team will want to meet them
If i remember rightly had Cross not two men sent of against Omagh last year? Not to mention a sick Aaron Kernan. I'd say that was a major bearing on the result...(Callum Cumiskey and Tony Kernan)
Omagh (Tyrone) 2-08 Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) 1-09
Omagh created a major upset with a 2-08 to 1-09 Ulster Club SFC victory over Crossmaglen at Healy Park.
Ronan O'Neill hit an early goal, but Crossmaglen strode ahead with scores from Jamie Clarke and Tony Kernan, before Padraig Stuttard netted to give them a 1-08 to 1-02 interval lead.
Cross finished with 13 men after Callum Cumiskey and Tony Kernan were sent off, before a Barry Tierney goal secured the win for the Tyrone champions.
Crossmaglen led by seven points at one stage but they were unable to hold out in the face of the late Omagh surge.
The Armagh side have not encountered a serious test in the county championship and were robbed of key man Aaron Kernan due to a vomiting bug that affected the camp, and they got off to a flying start with points from Jamie Clarke, Tony Kernan and Kyle Brennan.
But Omagh struck for a seventh-minute goal, Ronan O'Neill sprinting past marker James Morgan to plant the ball past Paul Hearty.
Wind-assisted Cross, however, were bossing the midfield area, with Johnny Hanratty and Rico Kelly getting the better of Joe McMahon and Conan Grugan.
And their support play and kick passing were of the highest order, in contrast to Omagh's tendency to concede possession cheaply.
Kernan's third converted free made it 0-07 to 1-01 after 17 minutes, and they were denied a goal by Ryan Clarke's superb save from Johnny Murtagh.
Omagh had a goal chance as well, but Conor O'Donnell was unable to stretch for Barry Tierney's cross to the far post.
The Armagh men did get the goal they had threatened in the 29th minute, corner back Stephen Finnegan making ground to set up Padraig Stuttard, and he smashed the ball past Clarke.
Crossmaglen led by 1-08 to 1-02 at the break, but managed just one point in the second half as their challenge fell apart with the dismissals of Callum Cumiskey (yellow/black) and Tony Kernan (straight red).
Omagh had narrowed back the deficit with scores from O'Neill and O'Donnell, with Conan Grugan landing a long-rage effort to leave just a point between the sides.
It was Grugan, along with Joe McMahon, swung the midfield battle in the home side's favour, and he hit the target again to bring Omagh level with five minutes to play.
Crossmaglen had just 13 men on the field by this stage, and they were unable to stem the waves of white shirts that swept towards them. And two late Ronan O'Neill points sealed it for the St Enda's.
Omagh: R Clarke, H Gallagher, Justin McMahon, S Mullan, C McLaughlin, B Tierney (1-00), C McMahon, Joe McMahon, C Grugan (0-02, 2f), A Grugan, J McAnulla (0-01), C McCarron, C O'Donnell (0-01), R O'Neill (1-04 (0-1f), C Meyler.
Subs: C O'Neill for McCarron (h-t), J Colton for C McMahon ((56), D Kerr for McLaughlin (60).
Crossmaglen: P Hearty, S Finnegan, J Morgan, P Hughes, P Stuttard (1-00), P McKeown, M Aherne (0-01), J Hanratty, R Kelly, T Kernan (0-03, 3f), J Clarke (0-02, 1f)), M McNamee, K Carragher, C Cumiskey, K Brennan (0-02).
Subs: J Murtagh (0-01) for Carragher (5), D McKenna for Brennan (43), A Kernan for Finnegan (48), A Cunningham for Hanratty (59).
Referee: C Branagan (Down).
Quote from: illdecide on October 15, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
If i remember rightly had Cross not two men sent of against Omagh last year? Not to mention a sick Aaron Kernan. I'd say that was a major bearing on the result...(Callum Cumiskey and Tony Kernan)
Indeed, with A Kernan crook, Cross surprisingly reacted to the constant sledging as the stars aligned for Omagh . Slaughtneil took heed and the rest is history.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 15, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 15, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
If i remember rightly had Cross not two men sent of against Omagh last year? Not to mention a sick Aaron Kernan. I'd say that was a major bearing on the result...(Callum Cumiskey and Tony Kernan)
Indeed, with A Kernan crook, Cross surprisingly reacted to the constant sledging as the stars aligned for Omagh . Slaughtneil took heed and the rest is history.
God its October and some numpty has started chatting about sledging already!
Quote from: redhandefender on October 16, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 15, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 15, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
If i remember rightly had Cross not two men sent of against Omagh last year? Not to mention a sick Aaron Kernan. I'd say that was a major bearing on the result...(Callum Cumiskey and Tony Kernan)
Indeed, with A Kernan crook, Cross surprisingly reacted to the constant sledging as the stars aligned for Omagh . Slaughtneil took heed and the rest is history.
God its October and some numpty has started chatting about sledging already!
has football finished for the year?
Bookies putting Cross odds on because of a facile Armagh win. I'm liking kilcoo at 11/2. Slaughtneil surely couldnt go back to back especially with the hurling? It Would be a serious achievement
Nothing Slaughtneil achieve would surprise me. Their drive for success on all fronts is bordering on lunacy. Brilliant club.
Monaghan final between Scotstown and Monaghan Harps on TG4 today I see. Bit of a surprise in Harps making it there, but fully deserve it after a very good win over Clontibret in the semi. They've been building for a while and will be well up for this of course. But I'd be very surprised if Scotstown didn't win it. After their first win in 20 years in 2013, you could see that same hunger wasn't quite there last year, but I'd fancy them to win it back this year. They're probably the best rounded team in the county and the best equipped to have a crack at Ulster(much as it pains me to admit that!), and should they get through today I do think they'll have a good chance.
Having said that it would be great to see the Harps break through. If they win that'll make it 5 different winners in the last 5 years in the county, which wouldn't have been seen in a long time.
Slaughtneil 6 points up at h/t
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
Slaughtneil and Scotstown meet next, Slaughtneil will likely be decent favourites being the holders, but I'd give Scotstown every chance of winning it. With the two Hughes's they're strong going forward and young McCarthy is quality aswell. Beggan is a great last line of defence and they've got a strong spine generally.
Quote from: Schkite on October 18, 2015, 07:54:55 PM
Slaughtneil and Scotstown meet next, Slaughtneil will likely be decent favourites being the holders, but I'd give Scotstown every chance of winning it. With the two Hughes's they're strong going forward and young McCarthy is quality aswell. Beggan is a great last line of defence and they've got a strong spine generally.
Scotstown are strong going forward but they have a very suspect FB line. Caufield is a grand payer at wing back but he is not a central player, particularly full back. McArdle and Sherlock are dodgy. McArdle had 4-5 balls stripped off him today or dropped through simple mishandling. If they get a dry ball they'll match any team, a mucky sticky day and I would ask a few questions.
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
wonder how the Robbies would get on in the ultra competitive minefield that is the Armagh championship? Would they roll over like the rest and get their bellies tickled? Doubt it
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
Is that you chrissy? serious first world problems when people are complaining about the number of games. Price of success at the end of the day and I know other duel players in ballinascreen, dungiven, banagher, lavey would love to be in their position. Really don't get it!
Quote from: Link on October 19, 2015, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
Is that you chrissy? serious first world problems when people are complaining about the number of games. Price of success at the end of the day and I know other duel players in ballinascreen, dungiven, banagher, lavey would love to be in their position. Really don't get it!
It's not, I did see his tweet though. I wasn't complaining just highlighting the fact that some players have so many games at this time of the year due to how successful they are.
Quote from: Link on October 19, 2015, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
Is that you chrissy? serious first world problems when people are complaining about the number of games. Price of success at the end of the day and I know other duel players in ballinascreen, dungiven, banagher, lavey would love to be in their position. Really don't get it!
I didn't read that as a complaint myself, merely pointing out effort it takes to go this far in both codes ie how special this group of players is as some on here don't seem to think they are
Quote from: JoG2 on October 19, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
wonder how the Robbies would get on in the ultra competitive minefield that is the Armagh championship? Would they roll over like the rest and get their bellies tickled? Doubt it
A club like slaughtneil would be be a welcome addition to the Armagh championship as they certainly wouldn't be rolling over to crossmaglen.
Regarding being serious contenders for Ulster again, I just think they're behind a few of the other teams in terms of genuine quality. I don't see any real star (county) players there. Kilcoo have a handful of top players, cross have the kernans and a few others, scotstown have the Hughes, cargin have quite a few fine county players. S'neill seem to be relying on a brilliant spirit and self belief and best of luck to them.
I see both s'neil and scotstown are Evs for the QF match.
Quote from: regal on October 19, 2015, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 19, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
wonder how the Robbies would get on in the ultra competitive minefield that is the Armagh championship? Would they roll over like the rest and get their bellies tickled? Doubt it
A club like slaughtneil would be be a welcome addition to the Armagh championship as they certainly wouldn't be rolling over to crossmaglen.
Regarding being serious contenders for Ulster again, I just think they're behind a few of the other teams in terms of genuine quality. I don't see any real star (county) players there. Kilcoo have a handful of top players, cross have the kernans and a few others, scotstown have the Hughes, cargin have quite a few fine county players. S'neill seem to be relying on a brilliant spirit and self belief and best of luck to them.
I see both s'neil and scotstown are Evs for the QF match.
Rogers and McKaigue are as good as defenders around as you'll find, probably lacking a really renowned forward from what I've seen of them over the past few years although Christopher Bradley looks like a serious operator at club level.
It will be between Slaughtneil, Kilcoo and Cross this year. I watched the second half of the Monaghan final yesterday, I've been hearing quite a bit with regard to Scotstown but I must say I was a little disappointed in them. Harps had plenty of opportunities to get scores and Beggan made a great save midway through the second half which if it had been scored (should have) there would be a point in it and Harps were completely on top at that stage. Scotstown to me seem to be hugely reliant on Darren Hughes and very vulnerable at the back. I expect Slaughtneill will put Rogers on him in a man marking job and they'll have too much for Scotstown.
Cross and Kilcoo should come through their games pretty handy, the other QF is a 50/50 for me.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 19, 2015, 09:39:43 PM
Quote from: regal on October 19, 2015, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 19, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
wonder how the Robbies would get on in the ultra competitive minefield that is the Armagh championship? Would they roll over like the rest and get their bellies tickled? Doubt it
A club like slaughtneil would be be a welcome addition to the Armagh championship as they certainly wouldn't be rolling over to crossmaglen.
Regarding being serious contenders for Ulster again, I just think they're behind a few of the other teams in terms of genuine quality. I don't see any real star (county) players there. Kilcoo have a handful of top players, cross have the kernans and a few others, scotstown have the Hughes, cargin have quite a few fine county players. S'neill seem to be relying on a brilliant spirit and self belief and best of luck to them.
I see both s'neil and scotstown are Evs for the QF match.
Rogers and McKaigue are as good as defenders around as you'll find, probably lacking a really renowned forward from what I've seen of them over the past few years although Christopher Bradley looks like a serious operator at club level.
It will be between Slaughtneil, Kilcoo and Cross this year. I watched the second half of the Monaghan final yesterday, I've been hearing quite a bit with regard to Scotstown but I must say I was a little disappointed in them. Harps had plenty of opportunities to get scores and Beggan made a great save midway through the second half which if it had been scored (should have) there would be a point in it and Harps were completely on top at that stage. Scotstown to me seem to be hugely reliant on Darren Hughes and very vulnerable at the back. I expect Slaughtneill will put Rogers on him in a man marking job and they'll have too much for Scotstown.
Cross and Kilcoo should come through their games pretty handy, the other QF is a 50/50 for me.
The damage was really done in the first half by Scotstown, i.e. the goals. They just had the Harps at arms length after that. Yes, that goal chance would have cut the lead well back but to be honest I don't think they were ever going to lose that, and I feel they could lift it a gear or two from that showing. Harps had neither the experience or quality to come back from the two first half goals, but it's a young team and it'll be interesting if they can build on this now. Scotstown were strong favourites and would have been fully expecting the win, they'd be well prepared for the next stage I'd imagine and ready to up the performance as they'll need to. They are a bit top heavy alright and will rely on their attack to win games moreso than their defence so it'll be an interesting clash against Slaughtneil.
While Darren is a very important player I don't think they're extremely reliant on him. Kieran is also a big threat while Conor McCarthy continues to impress, and another county player Shane Carey was fairly poor I thought on Sunday so he can improve alot. It's not the same as say last year when Slaughtneil met Clontibret and they dominated us, and McManus was extremely well marshalled, but we've little else in an attacking sense being honest. We were well off the pace and yet only lost by 5 which flattered us. Scotstown have much more threats up front these days but equally it's very likely they could concede more, so it'll be an interesting game.
I think Scotstown are a serious threat to Slaughtneil. They have some very talented boys. They also had Ballinderry by the throat the last time they played in the Ulster club two years ago, only for a last minute goal to win it for Ballinderry who went on to win the Ulster club. In my view Scotstown are the best equipped team from Monaghan in quite a while capable of a serious challenge.
Quote from: regal on October 19, 2015, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 19, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 19, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: regal on October 18, 2015, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 18, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PearseM55 on October 18, 2015, 04:57:59 PM
Slaughtneil finish with a 19 point win. Have to be serious contenders
4-13 to 1-04. Nothing special ;-)
I'd imagine the score line says more about Fermanagh football than it does about slaughtneil.
A special club perhaps, however, I don't think this s'neill team will frighten the serious contenders for Ulster this year, albeit they are on the easier side of the draw. But time will tell.
I hope you didn't avail of the 9/4 on green lough after today's 10 point defeat.
I don't think the first part is in question. County champions in football, hurling, camogie and county minor champions at the football too. Reigning Ulster club football champions and hurlers and Camogie team in an Ulster final this weekend. Some of their players will play their 13th game in 11 weeks in the midst of this success.
Do you think Slaughtneil aren't serious contenders?
wonder how the Robbies would get on in the ultra competitive minefield that is the Armagh championship? Would they roll over like the rest and get their bellies tickled? Doubt it
A club like slaughtneil would be be a welcome addition to the Armagh championship as they certainly wouldn't be rolling over to crossmaglen.
Regarding being serious contenders for Ulster again, I just think they're behind a few of the other teams in terms of genuine quality. I don't see any real star (county) players there. Kilcoo have a handful of top players, cross have the kernans and a few others, scotstown have the Hughes, cargin have quite a few fine county players. S'neill seem to be relying on a brilliant spirit and self belief and best of luck to them.
I see both s'neil and scotstown are Evs for the QF match.
Regal a seriously naïve post on Slaughtneil, my mum told me if you know nothing, say nothing, then no one will know you know nothing lol ;D ;) :o
Slaughtniel are strong contenders, the only thing that may go against them is fatigue. It takes an awful lot to do back to back titles. They have the benefit of a reasonably easy game to get into the rhythm for Ulster, Scotstown had a reasonably easy win in the Monaghan final so they will also be fresh enough. Scotstown will feel they misses the boat the last run in Ulster so will feel they have more to give. The winners of that game will make the Ulster final on that side of the draw without a doubt.
I wouldn't write off Glenties Crossbar they looked good from what i briefly seen of them on TG4. I also think Cargin can give Cross somewhat of a game.I would be extremely surprised if they win but depending on their often fragile mindset they can run them close because they certainly have the talent.
Quote from: SaffronHeart on October 20, 2015, 01:09:17 PM
I wouldn't write off Glenties Crossbar they looked good from what i briefly seen of them on TG4. I also think Cargin can give Cross somewhat of a game.I would be extremely surprised if they win but depending on their often fragile mindset they can run them close because they certainly have the talent.
I would imagine Glenties will be OK but not at the level of Scotstown or Slaughtniel who have a bit of pedigree. I haven't seen Cargin but they do have good players. They will no doubt be ready for Cross and if they get it going they will be well fit for us. I reckon Kilcoo will make it on that side of the draw,
Quote from: shawshank on October 20, 2015, 12:44:47 PM
I think Scotstown are a serious threat to Slaughtneil. They have some very talented boys. They also had Ballinderry by the throat the last time they played in the Ulster club two years ago, only for a last minute goal to win it for Ballinderry who went on to win the Ulster club. In my view Scotstown are the best equipped team from Monaghan in quite a while capable of a serious challenge.
Yeah I'd have to agree with that. Clontibret had a decent run last year with a couple of good scalps, but in reality we got a good rub of the green in a couple of games and were on borrowed time. Our extreme reliance on McManus came back to haunt us against Slaughtneil when they blotted him out. Our best chance of an Ulster was in the mid to late 00's when we had a better team but were unlucky to come up against great Cross and Galls teams.
Scotstown are well primed for this Ulster campaign I feel. Two years ago it was this team's first experience of it and they only lost out to the eventual winners by a point like you say. I haven't been following Slaughtneil's progress but do they have many dual players? Surely that will be a big factor regarding fatigue. Scotstown don't have that problem, didn't exert themselves in the final and had a relatively easy route to the final while many of the other contenders played replay after replay just to reach the semis.
Quote from: Schkite on October 20, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
Yeah I'd have to agree with that. Clontibret had a decent run last year with a couple of good scalps, but in reality we got a good rub of the green in a couple of games and were on borrowed time. Our extreme reliance on McManus came back to haunt us against Slaughtneil when they blotted him out. Our best chance of an Ulster was in the mid to late 00's when we had a better team but were unlucky to come up against great Cross and Galls teams.
Scotstown are well primed for this Ulster campaign I feel. Two years ago it was this team's first experience of it and they only lost out to the eventual winners by a point like you say. I haven't been following Slaughtneil's progress but do they have many dual players? Surely that will be a big factor regarding fatigue. Scotstown don't have that problem, didn't exert themselves in the final and had a relatively easy route to the final while many of the other contenders played replay after replay just to reach the semis.
I would also be interested to know the extent of the overlap between their football and hurling squads.
The big disadvantage for Scotstown coming into this game is the lack of tough matches that they will have experienced. They coasted through the Monaghan Championship and it will be a big step up in intensity for them on November 1st.
Slaughtneil to me come across a very balanced team, strong in defence, mf and up front. They probably lack a marquee forward but seem to have a very strong spine. Probably a good thing as other teams don't really have anyone to try and stop other than maybe sammy and even he roams about.
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Quote from: Schkite on October 20, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
Yeah I'd have to agree with that. Clontibret had a decent run last year with a couple of good scalps, but in reality we got a good rub of the green in a couple of games and were on borrowed time. Our extreme reliance on McManus came back to haunt us against Slaughtneil when they blotted him out. Our best chance of an Ulster was in the mid to late 00's when we had a better team but were unlucky to come up against great Cross and Galls teams.
Scotstown are well primed for this Ulster campaign I feel. Two years ago it was this team's first experience of it and they only lost out to the eventual winners by a point like you say. I haven't been following Slaughtneil's progress but do they have many dual players? Surely that will be a big factor regarding fatigue. Scotstown don't have that problem, didn't exert themselves in the final and had a relatively easy route to the final while many of the other contenders played replay after replay just to reach the semis.
I would also be interested to know the extent of the overlap between their football and hurling squads.
The big disadvantage for Scotstown coming into this game is the lack of tough matches that they will have experienced. They coasted through the Monaghan Championship and it will be a big step up in intensity for them on November 1st.
Young Sé McGuigan, Karl and Chris McKaigue, Brendan Rogers, young O'Doherty are all starters as far as I know in the hurling and football. I'm not a big hurling man, maybe there's more in and around the panel
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Quote from: soldier of destiny on October 21, 2015, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: Schkite on October 20, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
Yeah I'd have to agree with that. Clontibret had a decent run last year with a couple of good scalps, but in reality we got a good rub of the green in a couple of games and were on borrowed time. Our extreme reliance on McManus came back to haunt us against Slaughtneil when they blotted him out. Our best chance of an Ulster was in the mid to late 00's when we had a better team but were unlucky to come up against great Cross and Galls teams.
Scotstown are well primed for this Ulster campaign I feel. Two years ago it was this team's first experience of it and they only lost out to the eventual winners by a point like you say. I haven't been following Slaughtneil's progress but do they have many dual players? Surely that will be a big factor regarding fatigue. Scotstown don't have that problem, didn't exert themselves in the final and had a relatively easy route to the final while many of the other contenders played replay after replay just to reach the semis.
I would also be interested to know the extent of the overlap between their football and hurling squads.
The big disadvantage for Scotstown coming into this game is the lack of tough matches that they will have experienced. They coasted through the Monaghan Championship and it will be a big step up in intensity for them on November 1st.
Young Sé McGuigan, Karl and Chris McKaigue, Brendan Rogers, young O'Doherty are all starters as far as I know in the hurling and football. I'm not a big hurling man, maybe there's more in and around the panel
+ Paul McNeill, Sean Cassidy. Few football subs start in hurling Oisin O'Doherty, Peader Kearney, Meehaul McGrath, Mark Cassidy, Minor Shane McGuigan. McGrath hasn't played much cship football and I think McGuigan may have played against Ballycran.
AK back, Jamie still in orbit
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2015/10/23/news/clarke-ruled-out-of-crossmaglen-campaign-302678/
Armagh TV to stream the Cross Cargin game.
http://www.armaghgaa.net/crossmaglen-v-cargin-to-be-streamed/
Quote from: armaghniac on October 30, 2015, 02:18:25 AM
Armagh TV to stream the Cross Cargin game.
http://www.armaghgaa.net/crossmaglen-v-cargin-to-be-streamed/
Armaghnaic, I was speaking to a club player in Armagh recently who said that he couldn't believe how bad a shape Cross are in. A few boys carrying serious timber. Granted they are able to coast through Armagh but are they only start to ramp up their training now?
3 clubs within a 7 mile radius playing in Ulster club competitions tomorrow at Senior, Intermediate and Junior. Trillick, Irvinestown and Coa.
Anyone know kilcoo score?
It's only thrown in at 3... 0-1 each
oh, i thought it was at 2-30
and score in the trillick game?
2-4 to 0-4 To Trillick at ht. N Conaill red card and down to 14 and Brick Malloy off injured.
Ps get Twitter
2-6 to 1-8 now to Trillick
12 mins into second half
Kilcoo winning 1-7 to 4 points hit. Match delayed as first game went to extra time
2-7 to 1-10. Level between Trillick and Glenties.
2-9 to 1-10 to Trillick. 7 mins left.
Glenties have a free to level it at the death...
Missed...
Over... Trillick by a point.
Holders out, big win for Scotstown. They've every chance of winning it out now.
Cross beat Cargin 2–15 to 0-13. A lot closer than score line suggests. Cargin asked big questions and were by far better team in the first half. Game in melting pot with around ten to go, Cargin go down to 14 and then miss a sitter and Cross then go up the other end and fluke a goal.
Kilcoo 3-11to 5points 10 mins left
It's all about the win. The lack of competitive football shows again as Cargin were sharper than us in the first half. The moving of Rico to MF brought great dividends and from 3-4 minutes left in the first half we pushed on well. Cargin were good but once we got a hold on them round the middle they were not able to supply the FF line.
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
I'd say it's down to Cavan club football bring brutal. Kilcoo are a seasoned side but they've probably had harder training games. Big one lined up anyway in the semi Cross Kilcoo renewing acquaintances.
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2015, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
Hardly fair on Kingscourt having to play on their own rather than joined up with loads of other teams.
Hilarious post, it's nearly as funny as the other thousand times, you've had a go at Cavan amalgamations.
trillick were superb today some result
Quote from: J70 on November 01, 2015, 03:52:41 PM
Missed...
Quote from: J70 on November 01, 2015, 03:52:11 PM
Glenties have a free to level it at the death...
Had two quid on bundoran draw 15/2 and glenties draw 7/1 double. I want to know the Glenties man who missed lol.
Quote from: general_lee on November 01, 2015, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
I'd say it's down to Cavan club football bring brutal. Kilcoo are a seasoned side but they've probably had harder training games. Big one lined up anyway in the semi Cross Kilcoo renewing acquaintances.
That's what I was wondering. Are Kilcoo worldbeaters or did Kingscourt make them look like worldbeaters.
Didn't get to the Cross game today but seems they got it very tight against Cargin. Just wonder if they will be able to raise their game for Kilcoo
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 01, 2015, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
I'd say it's down to Cavan club football bring brutal. Kilcoo are a seasoned side but they've probably had harder training games. Big one lined up anyway in the semi Cross Kilcoo renewing acquaintances.
That's what I was wondering. Are Kilcoo worldbeaters or did Kingscourt make them look like worldbeaters.
Didn't get to the Cross game today but seems they got it very tight against Cargin. Just wonder if they will be able to raise their game for Kilcoo
Cargin looked like world beaters in the first 25 minutes but missed a lot of chances. Cross showed their experience and went for it in the last five to tie it up at the break. Cargin needed to get long ball in to the full line in second half but were too slow doing so. They had dominated midfield for the first half but Cross got to grips. McCann was moved to CHF for 2nd half but it back fired. Thomas McCann was anonymous; James Morgan very tight on him. Too much depended on Magill who was superb for Cargin. I wonder how many of them will go in for the county?
Cross just know how to win, how to manage a game. They understand the dynamics of pushing on at the right time. I thought they caught Cargin out in the last five of the first half. Margin just didn't have that awareness and conceded the last three points too softly.
Good game played at high intensity and pace. Unreal sunshine - had to move out of the stand to avoid the glaring sunshine!
While Cross deserved to win I thought Joe McQuilan was very kind to them. They got quite a few soft frees and got away with a bit aswell. Have to say the Cross footballing philosophy is awesome. Must have hit every free they were given out the field in under a second which adds up to a serious intensity that very few teams can live with. Cargin were too hesitant going forward and it didnt help that their star forward touched the ball twice.
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 01, 2015, 07:13:15 PM
While Cross deserved to win I thought Joe McQuilan was very kind to them. They got quite a few soft frees and got away with a bit aswell. Have to say the Cross footballing philosophy is awesome. Must have hit every free they were given out the field in under a second which adds up to a serious intensity that very few teams can live with. Cargin were too hesitant going forward and it didnt help that their star forward touched the ball twice.
Well shackled or Cargin not play him enough ball?
Bbc story about michael mccann allegedly being bitten...
Well Shackled MR2, I think it was James Morgan on him? Cargin would have been better launching the ball in long and high in the second half
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 01, 2015, 07:35:10 PM
Well Shackled MR2, I think it was James Morgan on him? Cargin would have been better launching the ball in long and high in the second half
Defenders love that, what stopped Cargin from doing what they did in the first half so well?
Dont know the one time they did go route one the Cross defence looked shaky and the ball bounced over the bar, they also hit the post from when there was 4 in it. Going down to 14 when they had it back to a one score game with ten minutes to go was the final nail. All in all Crossmaglens superior use of the ball is what won the game, they are a credit to the GAA
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 01, 2015, 08:00:28 PM
Dont know the one time they did go route one the Cross defence looked shaky and the ball bounced over the bar, they also hit the post from when there was 4 in it. Going down to 14 when they had it back to a one score game with ten minutes to go was the final nail. All in all Crossmaglens superior use of the ball is what won the game, they are a credit to the GAA
Why are crossmaglen a credit to the gaa anymore than any other team who won today?
Or any team who lost for that matter
Quote from: time ticking away on November 01, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 01, 2015, 08:00:28 PM
Dont know the one time they did go route one the Cross defence looked shaky and the ball bounced over the bar, they also hit the post from when there was 4 in it. Going down to 14 when they had it back to a one score game with ten minutes to go was the final nail. All in all Crossmaglens superior use of the ball is what won the game, they are a credit to the GAA
Why are crossmaglen a credit to the gaa anymore than any other team who won today?
Or any team who lost for that matter
Because they keep churning out championship winning teams... kilcoo have a great run at the minute but Cross have changed so much this past few years... That's the difference
Where will the venue for cross and kilcoo likely to be?
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 01, 2015, 07:13:15 PM
While Cross deserved to win I thought Joe McQuilan was very kind to them. They got quite a few soft frees and got away with a bit aswell. Have to say the Cross footballing philosophy is awesome. Must have hit every free they were given out the field in under a second which adds up to a serious intensity that very few teams can live with. Cargin were too hesitant going forward and it didnt help that their star forward touched the ball twice.
I actually thought Cargin got a number of easy frees too. To be honest he seemed to let a number of bad tackles go and then blow up for damn all for both teams. Given what he had let the Cargin midfielder away with earlier I felt the fella sent off was very unlucky.
Lol at "credit to the Gaa" on the day one of their players apparently bites an opponent.
Allegedly. It hasnt been proven... Cargin should focus more on themselves and why they were beat instead of crying to the media. Their hesitancy cost them the game. I called Cross a credit because of the player turnover they've had yet every year they re competing in Ulster. Also I am open to correction but they are always managed by a Cross man?
Quote from: ardtole on November 01, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
Where will the venue for cross and kilcoo likely to be?
Heard its in Owenbeg
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on November 01, 2015, 05:25:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2015, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
Hardly fair on Kingscourt having to play on their own rather than joined up with loads of other teams.
Hilarious post, it's nearly as funny as the other thousand times, you've had a go at Cavan amalgamations.
What is most hilarious is this fool is from Antrim, second most populated county in Ireland yet totally shit at football and hurling and throw in managing a building project too. People in glass houses...
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2015, 10:38:42 PM
Cavan people ganging up. Suppose, it must be only natural to them.
They'd be safer sticking their county team into the Ulster club
Is it true Antrim are playing their home games in that shopping centre car park opposite casement park next year?
Speaking out about being bitten is now crying to the media?
Jesus wept. Moronic stuff.
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 01, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
Allegedly. It hasnt been proven... Cargin should focus more on themselves and why they were beat instead of crying to the media.
Embarassing. By your logic Aaron Cunningham shouldn't have spoken up when he made allegations of racial abuse?
Bitten on the neck he says.
Cargin now The Lost Boys.
Quote from: TransitVanMan on November 01, 2015, 10:33:38 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 01, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
Where will the venue for cross and kilcoo likely to be?
Heard its in Owenbeg
Playing it in Armagh or Newry far more logical, regardless of neutral venue required.
Why didn't he name the culprit then?
Someone claims to have been bitten on the neck and your reaction is to criticise the alleged victim?
Idiot.
Do all Antrim gaa people automatically become hostile towards a team when they win their county championship?
Their own county championship or other counties county championship??
Quote from: The Stallion on November 02, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Someone claims to have been bitten on the neck and your reaction is to criticise the alleged victim?
Idiot.
Some are finding it difficult to take the allegation seriously. Most, if bitten, would make the allegation to the ref and show him the wound. Especially if you are trying to explain your actions in a skirmish. Raising it through your manager, after a defeat and omitting vital detail looks odd and worthy of some further scrutiny
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on November 02, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Someone claims to have been bitten on the neck and your reaction is to criticise the alleged victim?
Idiot.
Some are finding it difficult to take the allegation seriously. Most, if bitten, would make the allegation to the ref and show him the wound. Especially if you are trying to explain your actions in a skirmish. Raising it through your manager, after a defeat and omitting vital detail looks odd and worthy of some further scrutiny
The amount of times this biting allegation has been alleged surely there should be some kind of protocol in place for reporting it correctly. Again poor leadership and communication from the GAA!
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on November 02, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Someone claims to have been bitten on the neck and your reaction is to criticise the alleged victim?
Idiot.
Some are finding it difficult to take the allegation seriously. Most, if bitten, would make the allegation to the ref and show him the wound. Especially if you are trying to explain your actions in a skirmish. Raising it through your manager, after a defeat and omitting vital detail looks odd and worthy of some further scrutiny
There's no point showing it to the ref, as unless he has seen it occur then he cannot punish any alleged offenders. Otherwise every player in the country would go in with bite marks on their body, start a bit of handbags and then show the ref the wounds they claim they have just sustained.
Cross versus Kilcoo is obviously a major attraction which would get a huge crowd at the right venue. It would certainly pack out Pairc Esler in Newry, which is equidistant between the two clubs. Newry is officially a Down ground but it is right on the Armagh border and would be very convenient for the Cross supporters. It is difficult to believe that the two sets of fans would be asked to go to Dungiven, a round trip of about 150 miles, where the attendance would be considerably reduced, but presumably we will be told shortly.
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 02, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on November 02, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Someone claims to have been bitten on the neck and your reaction is to criticise the alleged victim?
Idiot.
Some are finding it difficult to take the allegation seriously. Most, if bitten, would make the allegation to the ref and show him the wound. Especially if you are trying to explain your actions in a skirmish. Raising it through your manager, after a defeat and omitting vital detail looks odd and worthy of some further scrutiny
There's no point showing it to the ref, as unless he has seen it occur then he cannot punish any alleged offenders. Otherwise every player in the country would go in with bite marks on their body, start a bit of handbags and then show the ref the wounds they claim they have just sustained.
You're right. Sure players never complain to refs as being entirely logical beings players know that a ref won't change their mind
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 02, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
Cross versus Kilcoo is obviously a major attraction which would get a huge crowd at the right venue. It would certainly pack out Pairc Esler in Newry, which is equidistant between the two clubs. Newry is officially a Down ground but it is right on the Armagh border and would be very convenient for the Cross supporters. It is difficult to believe that the two sets of fans would be asked to go to Dungiven, a round trip of about 150 miles, where the attendance would be considerably reduced, but presumably we will be told shortly.
Pack out? You are getting carried away with yourself there
Quote from: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: The Stallion on November 02, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Someone claims to have been bitten on the neck and your reaction is to criticise the alleged victim?
Idiot.
Some are finding it difficult to take the allegation seriously. Most, if bitten, would make the allegation to the ref and show him the wound. Especially if you are trying to explain your actions in a skirmish. Raising it through your manager, after a defeat and omitting vital detail looks odd and worthy of some further scrutiny
The amount of times this biting allegation has been alleged surely there should be some kind of protocol in place for reporting it correctly. Again poor leadership and communication from the GAA!
A protocol for dealing with a biting would be a formal acceptance that our game is in the gutter.
I'm guessing that the unofficial protocol when accused of biting is to claim that your windpipe was being blocked and you were acting in self defence
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
I would have thought Trillick and Scotstown would have been Enniskillen myself
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
Don't think there's any chance of it happening but that would be a great option. Could well draw 10000 plus. Last time cross played kilcoo there was a huge crowd. I suspect they'll play it in clones and the other semi in enniskillen but makes much more sense for the cross kilcoo game to be tossed for.
Re Newry / Armagh, it's 6 of one half a dozen for the other for cross, I dare say they'll not give a rats ass where they play Kilcoo. I reckon they'll toss for it, if they get Newry, no real disadvantage as they know it inside out, Armagh slightly better for them as it is a wee bit further for the UTMs to travel
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 02, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
Don't think there's any chance of it happening but that would be a great option. Could well draw 10000 plus. Last time cross played kilcoo there was a huge crowd. I suspect they'll play it in clones and the other semi in enniskillen but makes much more sense for the cross kilcoo game to be tossed for.
If both clubs agree then it will be tossed for I would imagine. I would love to see a double header with the Scotstown game. I think at this stage the Farney men would be slight favourites for the title. They will have a difficult game against Trillick but should win with a bit to spare. The other game will be attritional for both teams, old scores to settle and the likelihood of a few red cards. The winners would be going into the final very battle worn and maybe short a player or two and Scotstown will have built up a nice bit of momentum and have the tradition within the club and also a huge level of expectation.
not overly impressed with Cross yesterday - despite the love affair and the credit to the GAA that some posters have motioned... Caragin could/should have been maybe 4 up at half time, played all the football, thought Cross got a few easy frees in the first half to keep them in it. Thomas McCann was an awful disappointment on the day, wasn't involved in the play at all, pity, last few times I'd seen him play he was the most exciting player on the field every time. Sending off was criminal by the big 14, and I thought Caragin were winning the midfield battle well, Hanratty out on his feet too at the time, no need to put in the challenge he did for the second yellow, in zero danger at the time.
Game was won and lost however in the spell after half time with the first goal and the quick successive points, Caragin were far too open, naïve to let Aaron Kernan have a free role through the middle of the park all day, second half was a farce in that regard.
Funny in that I thought the scoreboard definitely flattered Cross and yet with the missed goal chances in the second half they could have won by more again. ... That's Fudball eh.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 02, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
Don't think there's any chance of it happening but that would be a great option. Could well draw 10000 plus. Last time cross played kilcoo there was a huge crowd. I suspect they'll play it in clones and the other semi in enniskillen but makes much more sense for the cross kilcoo game to be tossed for.
Why not have a double header? Surely if its all about the £££££ they will make a lot more if it was a double header as opposed to 2 stand alone fixtures. If neutrals see it as a double header they will be more likely to go than they would to either of the stand alone fixtures.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 02, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
Don't think there's any chance of it happening but that would be a great option. Could well draw 10000 plus. Last time cross played kilcoo there was a huge crowd. I suspect they'll play it in clones and the other semi in enniskillen but makes much more sense for the cross kilcoo game to be tossed for.
If both clubs agree then it will be tossed for I would imagine. I would love to see a double header with the Scotstown game. I think at this stage the Farney men would be slight favourites for the title. They will have a difficult game against Trillick but should win with a bit to spare. The other game will be attritional for both teams, old scores to settle and the likelihood of a few red cards. The winners would be going into the final very battle worn and maybe short a player or two and Scotstown will have built up a nice bit of momentum and have the tradition within the club and also a huge level of expectation.
That spell you had down south has made you into a right cute hoor ;) Kilcoo must be favourites for the title should they beat Cross... as for Scotstown the beat a tired S'niel team who have had games every week and the hurlers went into extra time last Sunday... that showed when they were slow out of the blocks yesterday.. Scotstown had one player and he tired mid way through second half...
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
not overly impressed with Cross yesterday - despite the love affair and the credit to the GAA that some posters have motioned... Caragin could/should have been maybe 4 up at half time, played all the football, thought Cross got a few easy frees in the first half to keep them in it. Thomas McCann was an awful disappointment on the day, wasn't involved in the play at all, pity, last few times I'd seen him play he was the most exciting player on the field every time. Sending off was criminal by the big 14, and I thought Caragin were winning the midfield battle well, Hanratty out on his feet too at the time, no need to put in the challenge he did for the second yellow, in zero danger at the time.
Game was won and lost however in the spell after half time with the first goal and the quick successive points, Caragin were far too open, naïve to let Aaron Kernan have a free role through the middle of the park all day, second half was a farce in that regard.
Funny in that I thought the scoreboard definitely flattered Cross and yet with the missed goal chances in the second half they could have won by more again. ... That's Fudball eh.
If i had one pound for every time i heard that spake about Cross over the past 20 year i would have a lot of pounds. Could have, should have but didn't.
Quote from: Armamike on November 02, 2015, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
not overly impressed with Cross yesterday - despite the love affair and the credit to the GAA that some posters have motioned... Caragin could/should have been maybe 4 up at half time, played all the football, thought Cross got a few easy frees in the first half to keep them in it. Thomas McCann was an awful disappointment on the day, wasn't involved in the play at all, pity, last few times I'd seen him play he was the most exciting player on the field every time. Sending off was criminal by the big 14, and I thought Caragin were winning the midfield battle well, Hanratty out on his feet too at the time, no need to put in the challenge he did for the second yellow, in zero danger at the time.
Game was won and lost however in the spell after half time with the first goal and the quick successive points, Caragin were far too open, naïve to let Aaron Kernan have a free role through the middle of the park all day, second half was a farce in that regard.
Funny in that I thought the scoreboard definitely flattered Cross and yet with the missed goal chances in the second half they could have won by more again. ... That's Fudball eh.
If i had one pound for every time i heard that spake about Cross over the past 20 year i would have a lot of pounds. Could have, should have but didn't.
Agree completely. Said the same thing to a Cargin man as I left the match yesterday.
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2015, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 01, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Were Kilcoo brilliant, or Kingscourt awful, or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
Hardly fair on Kingscourt having to play on their own rather than joined up with loads of other teams.
Harsh post. There's plenty of amalgamations at underage where there's rural depopulation. I assume that's Cavan's reason too.
Having just watched the highlights a shocking poor effort by the Cavan champions. Surely with all of the underage success at county level that Cavan club champions should give a better account of themselves.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 02, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
Having just watched the highlights a shocking poor effort by the Cavan champions. Surely with all of the underage success at county level that Cavan club champions should give a better account of themselves.
Afraid not, I saw a hammering coming. Cavan club football is very very poor at the moment. There are 40 clubs for 70k people, it is just not sustainable. There was a good piece in the local paper last week and only Leitrim have a similar club to population ratio along with laois (who can be discounted as they are a dual county). A Cavan club has never won Ulster either. I just wrote on our own page that the county chairman needs to prioritising the club scene in the same way the previous chairman focused on underage overhaul. Its very difficult to be a strong county with poor club football.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2015, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 02, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 02, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 12:22:19 PM
Surely a double header in Armagh with Trillick v Scotstown and Kilcoo v Crossmaglen would be the most sensible option. They would get far more people at it than 2 stand alone fixtures and a bigger gate, as at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to.
Don't think there's any chance of it happening but that would be a great option. Could well draw 10000 plus. Last time cross played kilcoo there was a huge crowd. I suspect they'll play it in clones and the other semi in enniskillen but makes much more sense for the cross kilcoo game to be tossed for.
If both clubs agree then it will be tossed for I would imagine. I would love to see a double header with the Scotstown game. I think at this stage the Farney men would be slight favourites for the title. They will have a difficult game against Trillick but should win with a bit to spare. The other game will be attritional for both teams, old scores to settle and the likelihood of a few red cards. The winners would be going into the final very battle worn and maybe short a player or two and Scotstown will have built up a nice bit of momentum and have the tradition within the club and also a huge level of expectation.
That spell you had down south has made you into a right cute hoor ;) Kilcoo must be favourites for the title should they beat Cross... as for Scotstown the beat a tired S'niel team who have had games every week and the hurlers went into extra time last Sunday... that showed when they were slow out of the blocks yesterday.. Scotstown had one player and he tired mid way through second half...
eh ? I watched all of this game earlier on the tg4 player and was hugely impressed with scotstown. In fact I was very impressed with both teams. Very good to watch, some great scores by both sides. As for one player I presume you mean D Hughes. K Hughes, McCarthy, Heaphey, Carey, Caufield at the back all stood out. They'll be hard to beat.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 02, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
Surely if its all about the £££££
Anyone who thinks like that in the GAA should be in Hell already.
Money is gone and it's not coming back.
Look after your family, those close to you and your Club in the mean time.
thatcher is gone but the fall out is still to come - save enough to keep your own safe.
TG4 will look after the rest of your non own Club passive entertainment needs without negative affects of any kind to those nearest.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 02, 2015, 05:44:07 PM
Quote from: Armamike on November 02, 2015, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
not overly impressed with Cross yesterday - despite the love affair and the credit to the GAA that some posters have motioned... Caragin could/should have been maybe 4 up at half time, played all the football, thought Cross got a few easy frees in the first half to keep them in it. Thomas McCann was an awful disappointment on the day, wasn't involved in the play at all, pity, last few times I'd seen him play he was the most exciting player on the field every time. Sending off was criminal by the big 14, and I thought Caragin were winning the midfield battle well, Hanratty out on his feet too at the time, no need to put in the challenge he did for the second yellow, in zero danger at the time.
Game was won and lost however in the spell after half time with the first goal and the quick successive points, Caragin were far too open, naïve to let Aaron Kernan have a free role through the middle of the park all day, second half was a farce in that regard.
Funny in that I thought the scoreboard definitely flattered Cross and yet with the missed goal chances in the second half they could have won by more again. ... That's Fudball eh.
If i had one pound for every time i heard that spake about Cross over the past 20 year i would have a lot of pounds. Could have, should have but didn't.
Agree completely. Said the same thing to a Cargin man as I left the match yesterday.
well what do ye want me to say? they were up by 3 or so and then Cross got a few dubious frees in that spell and individual errors that hadn't happened in the first 25mins cost Caragin.
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 03, 2015, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 02, 2015, 05:44:07 PM
Quote from: Armamike on November 02, 2015, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: Soup an Samajiz on November 02, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
not overly impressed with Cross yesterday - despite the love affair and the credit to the GAA that some posters have motioned... Caragin could/should have been maybe 4 up at half time, played all the football, thought Cross got a few easy frees in the first half to keep them in it. Thomas McCann was an awful disappointment on the day, wasn't involved in the play at all, pity, last few times I'd seen him play he was the most exciting player on the field every time. Sending off was criminal by the big 14, and I thought Caragin were winning the midfield battle well, Hanratty out on his feet too at the time, no need to put in the challenge he did for the second yellow, in zero danger at the time.
Game was won and lost however in the spell after half time with the first goal and the quick successive points, Caragin were far too open, naïve to let Aaron Kernan have a free role through the middle of the park all day, second half was a farce in that regard.
Funny in that I thought the scoreboard definitely flattered Cross and yet with the missed goal chances in the second half they could have won by more again. ... That's Fudball eh.
If i had one pound for every time i heard that spake about Cross over the past 20 year i would have a lot of pounds. Could have, should have but didn't.
Agree completely. Said the same thing to a Cargin man as I left the match yesterday.
well what do ye want me to say? they were up by 3 or so and then Cross got a few dubious frees in that spell and individual errors that hadn't happened in the first 25mins cost Caragin.
I wonder sometimes what people are watching. Yes, Cargin were without question a good and capable team, but Cross left them for dust as soon as Kelly was moved out to midfield. Cargin manfully hung in there and had the goal chance - BUT they missed it. Cross went straight down the field and buried it. Some may say it was luck that the ball fell to Hanratty, I would say why was there so much space left for him to waltz into. Hard luck to Cargin but anyone who says they should have won is dreaming.
Moving on, Cross are a formidable outfit but Kilcoo look like a team on a mission. The last time they beat Cross it was all about that, beating Cross. Now its about winning Ulster (if not more) and I think we are in for a right good battle.
Having watched the highlights of the Kilcoo game last night on TG4 you would have to say that they looked impressive, albeit against a poor Kingscourt outfit.
When are the venues for the semi-finals likely to be announced? I notice on the Ulster GAA website that they have the Scotstown v Trillick game down as being in Trillick but that I presume is a typo.
A double header in Armagh would make the most sense from my point of view.
I've seen Kilcoo a couple of times this year, they are quite like Cross in that they don't panic when they go behind and are very well organised, play a high tempo game and have a number of marquee individuals backed up with solid players all over the pitch with plenty of options to spring from the bench. Add in equal measures of unpleasantness on both teams and there's the making for a good hard hitting encounter with hopefully plenty of fireworks.
In the other semi it's hard to look past Scotstown.. though Trillick have fairly laid a marker down in beating Naomh Conaill. Think the three teams left are evenly enough matched with Trillick as outsiders
Newry confirmed for Kilcoo/Cross
Quote from: general_lee on November 03, 2015, 07:39:07 PM
Newry confirmed for Kilcoo/Cross
That rules out the double header, so I suppose Trillick will face Scotstown in Brewster Park.
Scotstown v Trillick has been confirmed for Brewster Park at 2:30.
I see that the ref made no reference to the alleged bite. Surely if he was shown something during the game as serious as was alleged he would have had to refer to it even if he could do nothing about it.
I wouldn't worry too much about what John Brennan says - great championship record but couldn't be trusted when it comes to such things!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2015, 07:39:40 PM
I see that the ref made no reference to the alleged bite. Surely if he was shown something during the game as serious as was alleged he would have had to refer to it even if he could do nothing about it.
Did you ever think this was true?
Any thoughts on Cross V Kilcoo? I hear Jamie Clarke will play some part. This is going to be an absolute cracker would love if it was a dry day, very unlikely though.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 07, 2015, 07:39:40 PM
I see that the ref made no reference to the alleged bite. Surely if he was shown something during the game as serious as was alleged he would have had to refer to it even if he could do nothing about it.
Did you ever think this was true?
No, I think that something may have happened but not how it was described by JB and as a result McCann was put in a difficult position and had to be seen to back his manager. But the line under it has now been drawn.
I reckon that Sunday's game will be a real attritional battle. Still a few injuries in the game and a lot will depend on how they settle. The tighter game that we had will have been very beneficial but Kilcoo are a crafty bunch and well versed in playing in these types of games. They have a fair bit of momentum coming into it. We are very much in binus territory this year with any run in Ulster. There's an awful lot of miles on legs and I don't know if some of the older lads can go to the well much more. Also there will be a very acute spotlight on us to be well behaved and Kilcoo will know how to play on that so there may be a little less blood and thunder on our side. I reckon Kilcoo will win by 3 on the scoreboard and 1 extra man on the field 14-13.
Scotstown waiting in the grass to pick the winners off and cement themselves at the top of the Ulster board once again and start off a few years of dominance with their 'total football' approach.
Think Scotstown are a bit suspect defensively to begin any period of dominance. Agree that they play a nice brand of football though.
The game will need a strong referee, I felt Joe Mc Quillan was very kind to cross against Cargin which helped dig them out of the hole they were in first half. Match ups will be important if Kilcoo break even at midfield they will win as they will use the ball better than Cargin did. will Cross leave Rico Kelly in the middle? Will be interesting to see at what stage do the Cross Management spring Jamie at.
Quote from: soldier of destiny on November 04, 2015, 03:48:12 PM
Scotstown v Trillick has been confirmed for Brewster Park at 2:30.
Brewster Park is a small enough pitch. Should aid Trillick being a tough defensive nut to crack.
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Quote from: soldier of destiny on November 04, 2015, 03:48:12 PM
Scotstown v Trillick has been confirmed for Brewster Park at 2:30.
Brewster Park is a small enough pitch. Should aid Trillick being a tough defensive nut to crack.
Scotstown will win by about 8, Trillick just in it for the spin!!!
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Quote from: soldier of destiny on November 04, 2015, 03:48:12 PM
Scotstown v Trillick has been confirmed for Brewster Park at 2:30.
Brewster Park is a small enough pitch. Should aid Trillick being a tough defensive nut to crack.
Scotstown will win by about 8, Trillick just in it for the spin!!!
Not be the first time Trillick and their 6 county men have heard that this year
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Quote from: soldier of destiny on November 04, 2015, 03:48:12 PM
Scotstown v Trillick has been confirmed for Brewster Park at 2:30.
Brewster Park is a small enough pitch. Should aid Trillick being a tough defensive nut to crack.
Scotstown will win by about 8, Trillick just in it for the spin!!!
Not be the first time Trillick and their 6 county men have heard that this year
Probably be the last though :P
this will be closer than people think.
Quote from: SaffronHeart on November 09, 2015, 04:09:45 PM
The game will need a strong referee, I felt Joe Mc Quillan was very kind to cross against Cargin which helped dig them out of the hole they were in first half. Match ups will be important if Kilcoo break even at midfield they will win as they will use the ball better than Cargin did. will Cross leave Rico Kelly in the middle? Will be interesting to see at what stage do the Cross Management spring Jamie at.
Personally felt Joe McQuillan was exceptionally soft on Cargin number 9. Have heard many times people say how Cross got out of a hole. They have been doing it many times for 20 years and can honestly say that at half time I was certain Cross would win. They just have a way of finding the right formula to win more often than not.
On saying that I feel they are in a bit of transition at the minute and Kilcoo could be the team to take advantage. Surprised the Ulster Council have appointed an inexperienced referee. Noel Mooney from Cavan per their website. Good luck to him.
Scotstown must be favourites for Ulster as the winner of Cross-Kilcoo are likely to have several casualties for the final via suspensions or injuries. Trillick will also have a say in matters with their never say die attitude but I did hear they were very fortunate against Glenties
Anthony Thompson was sent off after 10 minutes which wouldn't have helped things for Glenties. Glenties wouldn't have feared Scotstown. A lot of hype over a team who has won 2 Monaghan championships in the last 20 years.
Scotstown and Cross both 1 up.
Scotstown great shape now. 2-6 to 1-4
Maybe not. Trillick goal.
Cross 7-3.
9-4 TK free
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 09, 2015, 08:20:24 PM
Anthony Thompson was sent off after 10 minutes which wouldn't have helped things for Glenties. Glenties wouldn't have feared Scotstown. A lot of hype over a team who has won 2 Monaghan championships in the last 20 years.
2 in 3 years is probably a lot more relevant
Cross 12-7
Scots 1 up
Cross 0-12 Kilcoo 0-8 FT
Scotstown win by 2.
Scotstown won by 2. Should be a great final
Where will it be? Blayney would be the logical option.
It will be in Clones, Breffni or Omagh.They will want a place with capacity, 10000+ in Newry today and they will want floodlights as the day might be dark.
Nearly sure the final is Armagh
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Anthony Thompson was sent off after 10 minutes which wouldn't have helped things for Glenties. Glenties wouldn't have feared Scotstown. A lot of hype over a team who has won 2 Monaghan championships in the last 20 years.
2 in 3 years is probably a lot more relevant
Indeed and Castleblaney's record is worth exactly fukall squared in the 2015 UCC!
Wasn't at it but sounded another routine win for Crossmaglen?
Quote from: Armamike on November 15, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
Wasn't at it but sounded another routine win for Crossmaglen?
Cross turned screw start of second half.
Kilcoo seriously underperformed.
Cross defence more or less nullified Jerome Johnston and Conor Laverty and that set the tone.
Good display from Cross today. They missed a good deal in the first half but were vastly superior in the second. A difficult day to play football but 5 minutes into the second half you could see Cross were going to win. Much like the Cargin game at half time Kilcoo would have felt they had a good chance of winning but as all teams in Armagh are now used to that is rarely the case. Felt Tony Kernan and Hanratty best for Cross. A game played in good spirit and well refereed.
What was the kilcoo player sent off for?
Quote from: Throw ball on November 15, 2015, 06:14:26 PM
Good display from Cross today. They missed a good deal in the first half but were vastly superior in the second. A difficult day to play football but 5 minutes into the second half you could see Cross were going to win. Much like the Cargin game at half time Kilcoo would have felt they had a good chance of winning but as all teams in Armagh are now used to that is rarely the case. Felt Tony Kernan and Hanratty best for Cross. A game played in good spirit and well refereed.
some outfit Cross, congratulations to them, disappointed for kilcoo, never really got going. terrible conditions. traffic was an absolute nightmare after.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
It will be in Clones, Breffni or Omagh.They will want a place with capacity, 10000+ in Newry today and they will want floodlights as the day might be dark.
Some crowd.
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Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
It will be in Clones, Breffni or Omagh.They will want a place with capacity, 10000+ in Newry today and they will want floodlights as the day might be dark.
Some crowd.
on a drier day there probaly would have been around 13k in newry for todays match. down v armagh matches will always draw a crowd at any level.
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Quote from: armaghniac on November 15, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
It will be in Clones, Breffni or Omagh.They will want a place with capacity, 10000+ in Newry today and they will want floodlights as the day might be dark.
Some crowd.
on a drier day there probaly would have been around 13k in newry for todays match. down v armagh matches will always draw a crowd at any level.
There would have been a larger crowd if Kilcoo turned up...... :o :o
Crossmaglen have a serious record in Ulster finals. Ten wins from ten finals. This will be Scotstown first Ulster senior final for thirty years.
Great win for us today. I didn't make it so listened I the wireless. After a shaky enough start where Kilcoo worked us out of it our lads seemed to settle into the game and controlled it for there on without really pulling away. I think if Rico bagged the goal they would have won with a fare bit to spare.
Scotstown are going to be a different bag of tricks altogether. Serious talent in that team. The Hughes brothers, the Caulfields, Turley, Carey, Beggan and McCarthy. They have a very balanced team but they will have a fair wee bit of pressure on. They have to fill big boots like McCarvilles, the Moynas, the Caulfields, the Sherrys and the great Ray McCarron, all big players. I would imagine the excitement round An Both will reach fever pitch. It's a lot to take in sometimes for a new team.
Cross at a canter in the final for me.... All the hype after Scotstown's first win will have dampened down I'd imagine
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Cross at a canter in the final for me.... All the hype after Scotstown's first win will have dampened down I'd imagine
They'll be favorites all right but i doubt it will be a canter. Hughes in at FF is really working for Scotstown. They have plenty of quality. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they pulled off a shock
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2015, 09:14:21 PM
Cross at a canter in the final for me.... All the hype after Scotstown's first win will have dampened down I'd imagine
They'll be favorites all right but i doubt it will be a canter. Hughes in at FF is really working for Scotstown. They have plenty of quality. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they pulled off a shock
Experience, weather, and having won all their Ulster finals gives you an idea of what Scotstown have to deal with... Hey. Fair fecks to them if they win but Cross have been around the block plenty times and know how to win....
Galway champs (should they win😉) would be hard to beat in the semi
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Cross at a canter in the final for me.... All the hype after Scotstown's first win will have dampened down I'd imagine
They'll be favorites all right but i doubt it will be a canter. Hughes in at FF is really working for Scotstown. They have plenty of quality. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they pulled off a shock
Experience, weather, and having won all their Ulster finals gives you an idea of what Scotstown have to deal with... Hey. Fair fecks to them if they win but Cross have been around the block plenty times and know how to win....
Galway champs (should they win😉) would be hard to beat in the semi
Yeah and i'd say nemo/ballyboden will be the ones to watch on the other side. nothing easy from now on
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
I laugh at the notion that cross play total football.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
I laugh at the notion that cross play total football.
Do they claim to? Cross doesn't have an incredibly complex plan, they just execute better than most.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
I laugh at the notion that cross play total football.
Did I say we did?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
Haven't actually seen Scotstown play... Not in flesh anyway. Stop the Hughes' and you stop them seemingly
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
Haven't actually seen Scotstown play... Not in flesh anyway. Stop the Hughes' and you stop them seemingly
Lol...that's easier said than done, especially at club level. In fairness to a Cross man i know he told me he fancied Scotstown for Ulster months ago before they even got out of Monaghan
When is the announcement for where it'll be played? Would Scotstown be badly annoyed to play it at the Athletic Grounds? if they are it'll be Omagh I suppose.
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 17, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
When is the announcement for where it'll be played? Would Scotstown be badly annoyed to play it at the Athletic Grounds? if they are it'll be Omagh I suppose.
double header with the junior maybe?
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
It's been in the Irish News today (& yesterday) that it's in the Athletic Grounds.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 17, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
It's been in the Irish News today (& yesterday) that it's in the Athletic Grounds.
Scotstown not agreeable. It might still be there but not guarantees yet.
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Quote from: general_lee on November 16, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
Will be interesting to see if Scotstown continue with their "total football" approach against Crossmaglen. No better team to test it out against! It's just a shame these two teams will be plodding it out in November and not in the summer. Fancy cross to grind it out and win no11
I have to laugh at the notion that they play total football. They play rotating sweepers and a 4 man forward line.
Haven't actually seen Scotstown play... Not in flesh anyway. Stop the Hughes' and you stop them seemingly
Lol...that's easier said than done, especially at club level. In fairness to a Cross man i know he told me he fancied Scotstown for Ulster months ago before they even got out of Monaghan
That's one smart fellow in Cross.
re the first part, the Monaghan championship was about which team would navigate the rocky road to the final in order to get beaten by Scotstown, however, the Ulster championship is another matter altogether, though I'd have a hope that your Cross man is both smart and a prophet.
Shouldn't Cross (and Cullaville) have been transferred to Monaghan, according to the boundary commission in the 1920's?
It's never too late ..!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
that's an even bigger home tie for Cross! :o
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 17, 2015, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
that's an even bigger home tie for Cross! :o
Maybe but it is in Monaghan!!!
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Quote from: sammymaguire on November 17, 2015, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
that's an even bigger home tie for Cross! :o
Maybe but it is in Monaghan!!!
What's wrong with the Athletic Grounds??
Christ your as bad as us South Derry men.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
that's an even bigger home tie for Cross! :o
Maybe but it is in Monaghan!!!
What's wrong with the Athletic Grounds??
Christ your as bad as us South Derry men.
Nothing as far as Cross are concerned. In fact it is 22 miles from Cross and 26 from Scotstown so would be the fairest spot in terms of distance.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
I thought Cross wouldn't like Blayney after the last time they played there in Ulster :P
Quote from: Bingo on November 17, 2015, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
I thought Cross wouldn't like Blayney after the last time they played there in Ulster :P
Feck off you. That's way below the belt!!! Still have nightmares of the Ole's
Quote from: Main Street on November 17, 2015, 01:21:14 PM
Shouldn't Cross (and Cullaville) have been transferred to Monaghan, according to the boundary commission in the 1920's?
It's never too late ..!
You're more than welcome to them ;) ;D
Quote from: general_lee on November 17, 2015, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 17, 2015, 01:21:14 PM
Shouldn't Cross (and Cullaville) have been transferred to Monaghan, according to the boundary commission in the 1920's?
It's never too late ..!
You're more than welcome to them ;) ;D
One of the most unpleasant consequences of partition was the postal address of Cross and Silverbridge changed from Castleblayney, Co Monaghan to Newry, Co. Down.
I see we have a home game!!
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/football/
That's a surprise and a first. Pressure off Scotstown.
Is it real though?
It's real in so far as its on the Ulster Council Website. It might be a mistake though, wadda ye think?😃
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 07:11:40 PM
It's real in so far as its on the Ulster Council Website. It might be a mistake though, wadda ye think?😃
maybe Oisin has some secret influence or someone is grateful to John Mac for spotting some cardiac problem, or maybe this was the deal for Big Joe running the Intl team.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
I thought Cross wouldn't like Blayney after the last time they played there in Ulster :P
Feck off you. That's way below the belt!!! Still have nightmares of the Ole's
Awwww... Still, those 6 AI's and 10 Ulsters should see you sleep soundly ;)
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
I thought Cross wouldn't like Blayney after the last time they played there in Ulster :P
Feck off you. That's way below the belt!!! Still have nightmares of the Ole's
Awwww... Still, those 6 AI's and 10 Ulsters should see you sleep soundly ;)
I wonder will they play the AI final in Cross' also?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 05:15:00 PM
Quote from: Bingo on November 17, 2015, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 12:17:24 PM
Should be in Bkayney, half way between both clubs...come on Bingo, do your stuff!!
I thought Cross wouldn't like Blayney after the last time they played there in Ulster :P
Feck off you. That's way below the belt!!! Still have nightmares of the Ole's
Its all we have, Ole's where a bit premature! :-[
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
I see we have a home game!!
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/football/
Not listed there now
Double header with the junior in the Athletic grounds - confirmed.
QuoteGormley impressed by Scotstown
19 November 2015
Eoin Gormley gives Scotstown every chance of upsetting Crossmaglen in Sunday week's Ulster club SFC final.
Gormley lined out at midfield on the Trillick team that suffered a narrow defeat to the Monaghan champions last Sunday, and was suitably impressed by what they had to offer.
"Scotstown are a vastly experienced team, and I wouldn't like to be backing against them to go on and win Ulster," he told the Tyrone Constitution.
"They're superb all-round the field, and even the reinforcements they brought in, all big physical strong men, and I think they're well capable of winning Ulster."
Although disappointed not to reach the Ulster final, Gormley acknowledged that it had been a memorable first season in senior football for this Trillick team.
"We're very, very disappointed, but it has been a fairytale year for us. We thought we had the pedigree to go all the way, but we were just pipped at the post on the day," he continued.
"This team has been absolutely fantastic all year, and it's a real credit to the club that we have got to this stage - a small club coming from intermediate last year. I think it's just a great achievement, and hopefully we'll be here for a while.
"We spoke about it in the huddle after the match, we can hold our heads up with great pride, we know that the whole club and the whole county is proud of what we have done this year."
Scotstown definitely going to be very hard to beat. Momentum, tradition, quality and the motivation of coming to do it moreorless in our own back yard could tip it their way. They have a very strong squad and have a few quality players to come off the bench. The likes of McCague is a great experienced operator who will relish the chance to win the big one.
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QuoteGormley impressed by Scotstown
19 November 2015
Eoin Gormley gives Scotstown every chance of upsetting Crossmaglen in Sunday week's Ulster club SFC final.
Gormley lined out at midfield on the Trillick team that suffered a narrow defeat to the Monaghan champions last Sunday, and was suitably impressed by what they had to offer.
"Scotstown are a vastly experienced team, and I wouldn't like to be backing against them to go on and win Ulster," he told the Tyrone Constitution.
"They're superb all-round the field, and even the reinforcements they brought in, all big physical strong men, and I think they're well capable of winning Ulster."
Although disappointed not to reach the Ulster final, Gormley acknowledged that it had been a memorable first season in senior football for this Trillick team.
"We're very, very disappointed, but it has been a fairytale year for us. We thought we had the pedigree to go all the way, but we were just pipped at the post on the day," he continued.
"This team has been absolutely fantastic all year, and it's a real credit to the club that we have got to this stage - a small club coming from intermediate last year. I think it's just a great achievement, and hopefully we'll be here for a while.
"We spoke about it in the huddle after the match, we can hold our heads up with great pride, we know that the whole club and the whole county is proud of what we have done this year."
Scotstown definitely going to be very hard to beat. Momentum, tradition, quality and the motivation of coming to do it moreorless in our own back yard could tip it their way. They have a very strong squad and have a few quality players to come off the bench. The likes of McCague is a great experienced operator who will relish the chance to win the big one.
Yeah Yeah and Cross aren't worth a f**k either ::)...do u just cut and paste that every year :P
Quote from: illdecide on November 20, 2015, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 19, 2015, 10:13:02 AM
QuoteGormley impressed by Scotstown
19 November 2015
Eoin Gormley gives Scotstown every chance of upsetting Crossmaglen in Sunday week's Ulster club SFC final.
Gormley lined out at midfield on the Trillick team that suffered a narrow defeat to the Monaghan champions last Sunday, and was suitably impressed by what they had to offer.
"Scotstown are a vastly experienced team, and I wouldn't like to be backing against them to go on and win Ulster," he told the Tyrone Constitution.
"They're superb all-round the field, and even the reinforcements they brought in, all big physical strong men, and I think they're well capable of winning Ulster."
Although disappointed not to reach the Ulster final, Gormley acknowledged that it had been a memorable first season in senior football for this Trillick team.
"We're very, very disappointed, but it has been a fairytale year for us. We thought we had the pedigree to go all the way, but we were just pipped at the post on the day," he continued.
"This team has been absolutely fantastic all year, and it's a real credit to the club that we have got to this stage - a small club coming from intermediate last year. I think it's just a great achievement, and hopefully we'll be here for a while.
"We spoke about it in the huddle after the match, we can hold our heads up with great pride, we know that the whole club and the whole county is proud of what we have done this year."
Scotstown definitely going to be very hard to beat. Momentum, tradition, quality and the motivation of coming to do it moreorless in our own back yard could tip it their way. They have a very strong squad and have a few quality players to come off the bench. The likes of McCague is a great experienced operator who will relish the chance to win the big one.
Yeah Yeah and Cross aren't worth a f**k either ::)...do u just cut and paste that every year :P
Do you just cut and paste the same reply!!! Seriously though this is a very talented Scotstown team. 5 of the current Monaghan squad, 3 starters. At least 3 former Monaghan players and a number of under age players. A strong work ethic, a clever and experienced manager and back room staff and a very strong tradition behind them, they're as close to us in terms of 'assets' as you'll get. A point either way.
On top of all that you have one of the best footballers in the country in Darren Hughes playing out of his skin and scoring goals for fun. He will be virtually unmarkable and the key will be stopping the supply of ball to him.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2015, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: illdecide on November 20, 2015, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 19, 2015, 10:13:02 AM
QuoteGormley impressed by Scotstown
19 November 2015
Eoin Gormley gives Scotstown every chance of upsetting Crossmaglen in Sunday week's Ulster club SFC final.
Gormley lined out at midfield on the Trillick team that suffered a narrow defeat to the Monaghan champions last Sunday, and was suitably impressed by what they had to offer.
"Scotstown are a vastly experienced team, and I wouldn't like to be backing against them to go on and win Ulster," he told the Tyrone Constitution.
"They're superb all-round the field, and even the reinforcements they brought in, all big physical strong men, and I think they're well capable of winning Ulster."
Although disappointed not to reach the Ulster final, Gormley acknowledged that it had been a memorable first season in senior football for this Trillick team.
"We're very, very disappointed, but it has been a fairytale year for us. We thought we had the pedigree to go all the way, but we were just pipped at the post on the day," he continued.
"This team has been absolutely fantastic all year, and it's a real credit to the club that we have got to this stage - a small club coming from intermediate last year. I think it's just a great achievement, and hopefully we'll be here for a while.
"We spoke about it in the huddle after the match, we can hold our heads up with great pride, we know that the whole club and the whole county is proud of what we have done this year."
Scotstown definitely going to be very hard to beat. Momentum, tradition, quality and the motivation of coming to do it moreorless in our own back yard could tip it their way. They have a very strong squad and have a few quality players to come off the bench. The likes of McCague is a great experienced operator who will relish the chance to win the big one.
Yeah Yeah and Cross aren't worth a f**k either ::)...do u just cut and paste that every year :P
Do you just cut and paste the same reply!!! Seriously though this is a very talented Scotstown team. 5 of the current Monaghan squad, 3 starters. At least 3 former Monaghan players and a number of under age players. A strong work ethic, a clever and experienced manager and back room staff and a very strong tradition behind them, they're as close to us in terms of 'assets' as you'll get. A point either way.
On top of all that you have one of the best footballers in the country in Darren Hughes playing out of his skin and scoring goals for fun. He will be virtually unmarkable and the key will be stopping the supply of ball to him.
Yes...
We all know the two teams are evenly matched and i suppose who gets the lucky breaks on the day will be the difference or a refereeing decision. Wouldn't rule out a draw. You'd think Scotstown will have the more hunger but Cross never lack in that dept either and since the were written off at the start of the year prob just gave them even more motivation...Hopefully TG4 will show it live
Rory Beggan, 2 Hughes and Shane Carey all started for Monaghan this year. Mohan was sub goalie also on squad. Young McCarthy was on the Ulster minor winning team 3 years ago.. They are a quality side all over with every player starting haven played county at some stage! There meant to have a big backroom team too and wudn be short of the same assets that Cross have. Guna be a very close game!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2015, 09:35:42 AM
On top of all that you have one of the best footballers in the country in Darren Hughes playing out of his skin and scoring goals for fun. He will be virtually unmarkable and the key will be stopping the supply of ball to him.
Big Joe should buy him a few pints of XXXX tonight after the Intl Rules and tomorrow night too.
Really looking forward to this final, both teams are evenly matched and it could well end in a draw. A refereeing decision or just that extra bit of luck needed could well decide this, If you fancy Scotstown they're prob well worth a punt just for their odds in the bookies alone (PaddyPower had them at 11/4). A £10 on the draw will do me though
Quote from: illdecide on November 26, 2015, 09:09:46 AM
Really looking forward to this final, both teams are evenly matched and it could well end in a draw. A refereeing decision or just that extra bit of luck needed could well decide this, If you fancy Scotstown they're prob well worth a punt just for their odds in the bookies alone (PaddyPower had them at 11/4). A £10 on the draw will do me though
A draw would be a fairly strong possibility. Two very evenly matched teams. First time desire v experience? The drive to win the first one may just sway it to Scotstown
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: illdecide on November 26, 2015, 09:09:46 AM
Really looking forward to this final, both teams are evenly matched and it could well end in a draw. A refereeing decision or just that extra bit of luck needed could well decide this, If you fancy Scotstown they're prob well worth a punt just for their odds in the bookies alone (PaddyPower had them at 11/4). A £10 on the draw will do me though
A draw would be a fairly strong possibility. Two very evenly matched teams. First time desire v experience? The drive to win the first one may just sway it to Scotstown
You could be right there BC1. I think it could be a cracker. Both teams littered with quality players and both play a good brand of football.
How heavy is the Athletic Grounds pitch at the minute does anyone know?
Its fairly good, not a bog. They didn't play on it last week to save it for Sunday, think it's sandy enough so there'll be not water lying on it
When is the last time Cross lost an Ulster final?
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2015, 11:18:05 AM
When is the last time Cross lost an Ulster final?
Don't think they've ever lost one.....at any grade!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2015, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2015, 11:18:05 AM
When is the last time Cross lost an Ulster final?
Exactly. Think they might have drew one before. Can't see them bate this weekend
Don't think they've ever lost one.....at any grade!
If scotstown win on Sunday they will be second in the roll of honor behind cross. They def aren't going for there first
Scotstown have won 4 out of 5 finals including 3 in a row I think. Till we came to the forefront they and Burren were the aristocrats of Ulster club with Clan Na Gael hanging on to their coat tails! To memory we drew our first one against Bellaghy but won all the rest of them. Don't recall any other draws.
Drew with Ballinderry one year at Enniskillen
Quote from: DERRYSFINEST on November 26, 2015, 12:20:56 PM
Drew with Ballinderry one year at Enniskillen
Forgot about that one. Right tough one that
Although it appears a tight game on paper if you judge by the respective team sheets I have a feeling Cross will win this one with a bit to spare - say 5+ points and in Ulster final terms that is fairly easy.
Maybe I will be proved wrong and admittedly wouldn't mind Scotstown winning it but just cant see it.
Loughinisland and Rockcorry to win the other 2 finals.
Quote from: redzone on November 26, 2015, 12:13:33 PM
If scotstown win on Sunday they will be second in the roll of honor behind cross. They def aren't going for there first
I see the old second best to Cross award no longer applies to just Armagh.
According to Wikipedia
1. Cross (10)
2. Burren (5)
3. Bellaghy/Scotstown (4)
5. Clan na Gael/St Galls/Ballinderry (3)
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2015, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 26, 2015, 12:13:33 PM
If scotstown win on Sunday they will be second in the roll of honor behind cross. They def aren't going for there first
I see the old second best to Cross award no longer applies to just Armagh.
According to Wikipedia
1. Cross (10)
2. Burren (5)
3. Bellaghy/Scotstown (4)
5. Clan na Gael/St Galls/Ballinderry (3)
Fancy Crossmaglen to win this with a bit to spare. Just a machine basically with an ingrained style of play that any team in Ulster would struggle to match.
Kilcoo didn't have anyone on teh forward line that could do damage like Darren Hughes but I also don't think you can take much from the Kilcoo game. The conditions were bad and it was not possible for either team to play the way they would have wanted. For me the big thing was that Cross missed a load of chances which either means they are poor at hitting the target or just had an off day and really should have won easily. To be honest I definitely didn't feel it was the first one.
So I think Cross will win and like a few before me I would expect around a 5 points win at least.
Interesting reading the comments here, you have BCB the cute hoor bigging up Scotstown and Paul the Down man as usual rubbishing them because they are from Armagh. I thought before the Kilcoo game that Cross would struggle. That was on the basis of KIlcoo having been there or thereabouts the last few years. It'll be interesting to see how the game goes.Clarke's return is good news for Cross and I think Oisin and John McEntee will be key in getting the marking right.
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
They'll probably have to double mark him. You might see a surprise in the way they line out
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
They'll probably have to double mark him. You might see a surprise in the way they line out
Agree with this. I'd expect Scotstown to adopt the same tactics Monaghan employed against Donegal by trying to isolate Hughes. Think you could well see Kieran Hughes in there at some stage as he's possibly even more dynamic (on his day) than Darren.
Scotstown game is built around their kick out strategy which is top drawer!! Turley in midfield is a real unsung hero for them!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2015, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
They'll probably have to double mark him. You might see a surprise in the way they line out
Agree with this. I'd expect Scotstown to adopt the same tactics Monaghan employed against Donegal by trying to isolate Hughes. Think you could well see Kieran Hughes in there at some stage as he's possibly even more dynamic (on his day) than Darren.
Scotstown game is built around their kick out strategy which is top drawer!! Turley in midfield is a real unsung hero for them!
Unsung but not unknown ;)
Ulster Senior and Minor double on the way then BCB1 ;)
Jeez don't tell me you've won the U21s as well!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 26, 2015, 04:40:40 PM
Ulster Senior and Minor double on the way then BCB1 ;)
Jeez don't tell me you've won the U21s as well!!
We'll worry about the one for now!!!
Cullyhanna won the u21s but we never really had too much emphasis on it this year, too busy with the bigger one!!! There is actually about 10-11 of the senior squad u21, the bulk being the minors, so they would have given it a fair rattle if they focused on it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
They'll probably have to double mark him. You might see a surprise in the way they line out
I suppose playing 16 men is out of the question?
It should be interesting match up. Cross have to lose an Ulster final sometime, they've already lost an AI final.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2015, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
They'll probably have to double mark him. You might see a surprise in the way they line out
I suppose playing 16 men is out of the question?
It should be interesting match up. Cross have to lose an Ulster final sometime, they've already lost an AI final.
But it wont be this year.
Are tickets needed for the stand in the Athletic Grounds tomorrow?
May the best team (Scotstown) win.
Quote from: Main Street on November 28, 2015, 08:07:39 PM
May the best team (Scotstown) win.
Wouldn't it be fabulous if they won the All-Ireland ?
First time for a Monaghan team to win a senior all Ireland and everything
I hope all the Cross team are in bed early and that they are in fine form tomorrow.
Quote from: Orior on November 26, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2015, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 26, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 26, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Who will mark Darren Hughes? Will it be James Morgan? I'd guess so?
They'll probably have to double mark him. You might see a surprise in the way they line out
I suppose playing 16 men is out of the question?
It should be interesting match up. Cross have to lose an Ulster final sometime, they've already lost an AI final.
But it wont be this year.
That's what Klitschko thought.
Read a report in newspapers yesterday and quoted Mattie Mcgleenan saying something like "if we gave Jamie Clarke a few quid would he head off touring again". Not being from Crossmaglen and i find that hugely disrespectful. Bear in mind that Mcgleenan is the 1 that is jumping from club to club chasing the dollars! He is employed as a teacher and taking club teams for the highest bid. Clarke is entitled to do what he does and when.
From the outside looking in (and i could be wrong) but i dont think Cross pay for outside management, and on that very basis alone i hope they beat Scotstown! Sorry Mattie i don't support those who fully utilise the merry go round and then try to drag the name of others down!
Catch a grip would you I'm sure it was said tongue in cheek! No wonder managers give bland interviews all the time when you get like people like above overreacting to a light hearted comment.
Horrible weather for the blue riband game today. It won't be easy out there today.
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
Read a report in newspapers yesterday and quoted Mattie Mcgleenan saying something like "if we gave Jamie Clarke a few quid would he head off touring again". Not being from Crossmaglen and i find that hugely disrespectful. Bear in mind that Mcgleenan is the 1 that is jumping from club to club chasing the dollars! He is employed as a teacher and taking club teams for the highest bid. Clarke is entitled to do what he does and when.
From the outside looking in (and i could be wrong) but i dont think Cross pay for outside management, and on that very basis alone i hope they beat Scotstown! Sorry Mattie i don't support those who fully utilise the merry go round and then try to drag the name of others down!
God ure an idiot.
It was a joke.
Lighten up to f*ck
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2015, 10:53:22 PM
I hope all the Cross team are in bed early and that they are in fine form tomorrow.
They are only one off Nemo's record. That is some going
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2015, 11:08:46 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2015, 10:53:22 PM
I hope all the Cross team are in bed early and that they are in fine form tomorrow.
They are only one off Nemo's record. That is some going
It'll only be some going if we do it. Only one thing we're looking at and that's today, bring the wellies and the brollies and even a wee rubber dingy!!!
As for Matt McGleenan's comment FFS it is a bit of craic!
is the senior final at 3 or 3-30? whos in the junior?
Quote from: downtown on November 29, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
is the senior final at 3 or 3-30? whos in the junior?
Junior between faughanvale and rockcorry. Senior throw in3.30 junior 1.30
Cheers
Quote from: redzone on November 29, 2015, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
Read a report in newspapers yesterday and quoted Mattie Mcgleenan saying something like "if we gave Jamie Clarke a few quid would he head off touring again". Not being from Crossmaglen and i find that hugely disrespectful. Bear in mind that Mcgleenan is the 1 that is jumping from club to club chasing the dollars! He is employed as a teacher and taking club teams for the highest bid. Clarke is entitled to do what he does and when.
From the outside looking in (and i could be wrong) but i dont think Cross pay for outside management, and on that very basis alone i hope they beat Scotstown! Sorry Mattie i don't support those who fully utilise the merry go round and then try to drag the name of others down!
God ure an idiot.
+10
Just in case some people think this is a 50/50 game,
the betting odds are
1/3 Cross
3/1 Scotstown.
f**k it.
Scotstown and loughinisland to win.
is this on tg4 or anyplace else. if so link please.
Thanks in advance
Extra time, payout on the draw! 1-10 1-10
After Cross indiscipline (again) they are back to 15.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2015, 04:56:27 PM
Extra time, payout on the draw! 1-10 1-10
After Cross indiscipline (again) they are back to 15.
The GAA are quite unique when it comes to instant and complete forgiveness for all sorts of infringements.
Almost new age.
kieran hughes sent off.
Quote from: illdecide on November 26, 2015, 09:09:46 AM
Really looking forward to this final, both teams are evenly matched and it could well end in a draw. A refereeing decision or just that extra bit of luck needed could well decide this, If you fancy Scotstown they're prob well worth a punt just for their odds in the bookies alone (PaddyPower had them at 11/4). A £10 on the draw will do me though
Good call
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 29, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
kieran hughes sent off.
looks like this made the difference in the end. Scotstown certainly good enough and young enough to come again next year
Good call by Cross to have Oisin as a second ref.
Sounded like Scotstown had their chances to win it but a deserved victory for Crossmaglen in the end.
Quote from: Main Street on November 29, 2015, 05:36:53 PM
Good call by Cross to have Oisin as a second ref.
Sounded like Scotstown had their chances to win it but a deserved victory for Crossmaglen in the end.
It made the difference alright. Colin McAree was on the field more than some of the players. Scotstown just didn't have enough options. The Cross bench won it.
That was fantastic value for a tenner. Congratulations Cross, hard luck Scotstown.
Quote from: straightred on November 29, 2015, 05:29:02 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 29, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
kieran hughes sent off.
looks like this made the difference in the end. Scotstown certainly good enough and young enough to come again next year
Looks like it. Out scored 1-6 to 1-1 after the sending off.
Soft goal as well
Disgrace to have such a high profile game at this time of the year. Unfair on the players and the fans. Terrible conditions!
Can someone please explain the logic of a team being able to return to 15 players in extra time after a sending off? :-\
I know that's the rule. But it's a stupid rule, especially when you see Scotstown playing out the rest of the game with 14
Some game of football, especially in those conditions. Very enjoyable. It was just a pity there had to be a loser as both teams left everything they had on the field. Well done cross, some team and hard luck to scotstown, I'm sure they will be back. Fair play to everyone involved today!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 29, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
Can someone please explain the logic of a team being able to return to 15 players in extra time after a sending off? :-\
I know that's the rule. But it's a stupid rule, especially when you see Scotstown playing out the rest of the game with 14
Thems the rules! New game and all that!
I know that's the rule, but it defies all logic. It's not a new game :-\
Felt very unfair on Scotstown today.
Special mention for TG4 for showing deferred coverage when they could have just shown it live
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 29, 2015, 06:51:58 PM
I know that's the rule, but it defies all logic. It's not a new game :-\
Felt very unfair on Scotstown today.
To do otherwise would create a huge inequity between games with extra time and games with replays. What isn't logical is that yellow cards carry into the extra time.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 29, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
Can someone please explain the logic of a team being able to return to 15 players in extra time after a sending off? :-\
I know that's the rule. But it's a stupid rule, especially when you see Scotstown playing out the rest of the game with 14
There are two questions,
the easy one, explain how a team can return to 15 in ET after having a player sent off in normal time?
and an impossible one, to explain the logic? because logic is absent.
Extra Time is not a new game but teams are allowed to start with 15 players each, along with they are allowed to make 3 substitutions. But the player sent off in the first 60minutes can't return to the field. Yellow/black cards issued in normal time, do carry over.
Scotstown gave it their best shot and could have won it normal time however few sides in the history of club can grind out results like Crossmaglen can.
Scotstown's lack of a free taker cost them. Beggan missed 5 or 6, none of them gimmes, but he should have made some of them I felt.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2015, 06:56:27 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 29, 2015, 06:51:58 PM
I know that's the rule, but it defies all logic. It's not a new game :-\
Felt very unfair on Scotstown today.
To do otherwise would create a huge inequity between games with extra time and games with replays. What isn't logical is that yellow cards carry into the extra time.
Another reason why all games should go to extra time in the event of a draw.
A complete nonsense that a team is back to 15 yet bookings in norrmal time carry over.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on November 29, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
Scotstown's lack of a free taker cost them. Beggan missed 5 or 6, none of them gimmes, but he should have made some of them I felt.
A number of those frees should have been taken short. Far too far out on a day like that.
Quote from: Maguire01 on November 29, 2015, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on November 29, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
Scotstown's lack of a free taker cost them. Beggan missed 5 or 6, none of them gimmes, but he should have made some of them I felt.
A number of those frees should have been taken short. Far too far out on a day like that.
His cross field one to McCague was novel!!! There was too much of a romantic notion with his kicks and not enough proper game management
If Darren Hughes had have rested last week he might have been there in extra time
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 29, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
Disgrace to have such a high profile game at this time of the year. Unfair on the players and the fans. Terrible conditions!
Yes.
Most club championship football is winter football.
It's shameful.
Enjoyable game given the conditions, the intensity was very high even if the quality was maybe not great at times. Fair play to Cross, I remember watching them earlier in the season and they barely had 15 men out for most league games. Even their own supporters thought that they might come under pressure to hold onto their county title. However they have grown with each game and have the winning mentality from knowing they have done it all before. In James Morgan they have a true leader and warrior on the field and he has been their best player all season even if he was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did after getting 3 yellows?? Others to shine today were Tony Kernan and both Clarke and McKenna unsettled Scotstown when they came on. Scotstown battled bravely but the game was up when Hughes was sent off for a needless late tackle.
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2015, 06:53:23 PM
Special mention for TG4 for showing deferred coverage when they could have just shown it live
They showed 3 matches today so at least 1 had to be deferred.
Interesting to hear the Munster blas and then the Ulster one. Bomaites all over the place.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
Enjoyable game given the conditions, the intensity was very high even if the quality was maybe not great at times. Fair play to Cross, I remember watching them earlier in the season and they barely had 15 men out for most league games. Even their own supporters thought that they might come under pressure to hold onto their county title. However they have grown with each game and have the winning mentality from knowing they have done it all before..
Maybe they have it right. No point in playing football for twelve months when nothing counts in the summer.
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2015, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 29, 2015, 06:53:23 PM
Special mention for TG4 for showing deferred coverage when they could have just shown it live
They showed 3 matches today so at least 1 had to be deferred.
Interesting to hear the Munster blas and then the Ulster one. Bomaites all over the place.
They could have shown two live games and then the deferred game. Rather than show a live game, followed by two deferred games. Surely would have made more sense?
Colm Parkinson was complaining about this on Twitter and the TG4 response was that they had to consider the possibility of ET in the hurling and if that happened they could t have went live to the Ulster final.
Quote from: vallankumous on November 29, 2015, 07:53:48 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
Enjoyable game given the conditions, the intensity was very high even if the quality was maybe not great at times. Fair play to Cross, I remember watching them earlier in the season and they barely had 15 men out for most league games. Even their own supporters thought that they might come under pressure to hold onto their county title. However they have grown with each game and have the winning mentality from knowing they have done it all before..
Maybe they have it right. No point in playing football for twelve months when nothing counts in the summer.
I'd have no doubt that they put very little focus on the League as usual, but still they looked far more threadbare than I ever remember for a long time. However now having won this Ulster title and with another batch of excellent minors coming through, they look set to dominate for a few more years to come.
Hey, if David McKenna can win an Ulster Club medal then there is hope for everyone, lol.
Great game played in atrocious conditions by 2 very committed teams so credit to both of them for the entertainment provided.
Scotstown had their chances but Cross plundered a big return in extra time to finally kill of Scotstown's challenge.
Although this is another day's work, wouldn't it be great to see these 2 teams at it on a good day in the summer time ?.
Quote from: Orior on November 29, 2015, 08:20:17 PM
Hey, if David McKenna can win an Ulster Club medal then there is hope for everyone, lol.
Fcuk..he's a big unit. Even Jarlath referred to the meáchan in his commentary ??? Did his job though.
Quote from: orangeman on November 29, 2015, 08:34:03 PM
Great game played in atrocious conditions by 2 very committed teams so credit to both of them for the entertainment provided.
Scotstown had their chances but Cross plundered a big return in extra time to finally kill of Scotstown's challenge.
Although this is another day's work, wouldn't it be great to see these 2 teams at it on a good day in the summer time ?.
The sending off was avoidable and he'll be kicking himself. The 2 teams were very evenly matched, I thought.
Can somebody explain to me how Crossmaglen were allowed make 11 sustitutions?
I don't remember any black cards or blood injuries. 11 seems a particularly high number, even with extra-time. Scotstown made just three substitutions over the whole game.
From: http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1129/750082-crossmaglen-come-out-on-top-after-epic-battle/
Subs: D McKenna (0-01) for Hanratty (HT), S Finnegan for Rushe (35), J Clarke for O'Neill (40), C Cumiskey (0-01) for Kelly (45), D O'Callaghan for Aherne (51), A Cunningham for McNamee (54), G Carragher for O'Callaghan (61), P Stuttard (0-01) for Cunningham (61), K Brennan for Murtagh (71) D McConville for S Kernan (75), A Cunningham for K Carragher (76)
Scotstown may well be disappointed with the contribution of some of their county players! Beggans kickouts were poor and the kickout that led to the last goal was coming all day. As for his freetaking, what were they at letting him continue at them when it clearly wasn't working! Kieran Hughes is very talented but he gave away a bad goal in the 1st half and although the sending off was harsh it was a lazy tackle. But i blame mcgleenan, playing him at fullback was a complete waste of his talent!
Cross were just too experienced and overall the better team. With ulster in the bag they'll take some stopping now!
At the end Mcgleenan had to be pulled away from the ref, he should catch himself on, the ref wasnt to blame for their defeat, he was!
Cards no longer carry across into extra time
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
Scotstown may well be disappointed with the contribution of some of their county players! Beggans kickouts were poor and the kickout that led to the last goal was coming all day. As for his freetaking, what were they at letting him continue at them when it clearly wasn't working! Kieran Hughes is very talented but he gave away a bad goal in the 1st half and although the sending off was harsh it was a lazy tackle. But i blame mcgleenan, playing him at fullback was a complete waste of his talent!
Cross were just too experienced and overall the better team. With ulster in the bag they'll take some stopping now!
At the end Mcgleenan had to be pulled away from the ref, he should catch himself on, the ref wasnt to blame for their defeat, he was!
Hughes was CHB
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
Enjoyable game given the conditions, the intensity was very high even if the quality was maybe not great at times. Fair play to Cross, I remember watching them earlier in the season and they barely had 15 men out for most league games. Even their own supporters thought that they might come under pressure to hold onto their county title. However they have grown with each game and have the winning mentality from knowing they have done it all before. In James Morgan they have a true leader and warrior on the field and he has been their best player all season even if he was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did after getting 3 yellows?? Others to shine today were Tony Kernan and both Clarke and McKenna unsettled Scotstown when they came on. Scotstown battled bravely but the game was up when Hughes was sent off for a needless late tackle.
Was Aaron Kernan booked twice in normal time?
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
Scotstown may well be disappointed with the contribution of some of their county players! Beggans kickouts were poor and the kickout that led to the last goal was coming all day. As for his freetaking, what were they at letting him continue at them when it clearly wasn't working! Kieran Hughes is very talented but he gave away a bad goal in the 1st half and although the sending off was harsh it was a lazy tackle. But i blame mcgleenan, playing him at fullback was a complete waste of his talent!
Cross were just too experienced and overall the better team. With ulster in the bag they'll take some stopping now!
At the end Mcgleenan had to be pulled away from the ref, he should catch himself on, the ref wasnt to blame for their defeat, he was!
Hughes was CHB
He played full back even though he had 6 on his back
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
At the end Mcgleenan had to be pulled away from the ref, he should catch himself on, the ref wasnt to blame for their defeat, he was!
Quote from: sid waddell on November 29, 2015, 09:04:36 PM
Can somebody explain to me how Crossmaglen were allowed make 11 sustitutions?
Subs: D McKenna (0-01) for Hanratty (HT), S Finnegan for Rushe (35), J Clarke for O'Neill (40), C Cumiskey (0-01) for Kelly (45), D O'Callaghan for Aherne (51), A Cunningham for McNamee (54), G Carragher for O'Callaghan (61), P Stuttard (0-01) for Cunningham (61), K Brennan for Murtagh (71) D McConville for S Kernan (75), A Cunningham for K Carragher (76)
O'Callaghan left with a deserved straight red.
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
At the end Mcgleenan had to be pulled away from the ref, he should catch himself on, the ref wasnt to blame for their defeat, he was!
Cassidy showed his usual bias and gave Scotstown multiple soft frees until he eventually lost control of the game. Can't have been many Cross players he didn't book.
Best kept to colleges games and away from senior championship football of any kind.
Explanation of 11 changes could be - 6 subs used during normal time - at the beginning of extra time you can change as many players as you want as long as the players name is on the team sheet - cross made two changes to the team that started extra time and then made a further three subs during extra time hence the 11 changes
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 29, 2015, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on November 29, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
Scotstown may well be disappointed with the contribution of some of their county players! Beggans kickouts were poor and the kickout that led to the last goal was coming all day. As for his freetaking, what were they at letting him continue at them when it clearly wasn't working! Kieran Hughes is very talented but he gave away a bad goal in the 1st half and although the sending off was harsh it was a lazy tackle. But i blame mcgleenan, playing him at fullback was a complete waste of his talent!
Cross were just too experienced and overall the better team. With ulster in the bag they'll take some stopping now!
At the end Mcgleenan had to be pulled away from the ref, he should catch himself on, the ref wasnt to blame for their defeat, he was!
Hughes was CHB
He played full back even though he had 6 on his back
I wonder if Cross' success is linked to the stripy jersey they share with Kikenny
Quote from: oneclubonelife on November 29, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Explanation of 11 changes could be - 6 subs used during normal time - at the beginning of extra time you can change as many players as you want as long as the players name is on the team sheet - cross made two changes to the team that started extra time and then made a further three subs during extra time hence the 11 changes
Think u can only make 6 in normal time and 3 in extra time. That's 9 plus,O Callaghan replaced makes 10. Had they a black card. Still think the limit is 9 including black cards. This might not be over yet
Quote from: redzone on November 29, 2015, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: oneclubonelife on November 29, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Explanation of 11 changes could be - 6 subs used during normal time - at the beginning of extra time you can change as many players as you want as long as the players name is on the team sheet - cross made two changes to the team that started extra time and then made a further three subs during extra time hence the 11 changes
Think u can only make 6 in normal time and 3 in extra time. That's 9 plus,O Callaghan replaced makes 10. Had they a black card. Still think the limit is 9 including black cards. This might not be over yet
O'Callaghan got a red, so he can't be replaced with a free sub.
Edit - you mean he was replaced at the end of the game. I wouldn't call that a sub, just that Cross were entitled to start Extra Time with 15 men.
You can make changes at the end of normal time and before the start of extra time that does not count as subs because technically,if you read the rules,it is a new game and as long as the players being used names are on the match day team sheet they do not count as subs
Quote from: Gael85 on November 29, 2015, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
Enjoyable game given the conditions, the intensity was very high even if the quality was maybe not great at times. Fair play to Cross, I remember watching them earlier in the season and they barely had 15 men out for most league games. Even their own supporters thought that they might come under pressure to hold onto their county title. However they have grown with each game and have the winning mentality from knowing they have done it all before. In James Morgan they have a true leader and warrior on the field and he has been their best player all season even if he was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did after getting 3 yellows?? Others to shine today were Tony Kernan and both Clarke and McKenna unsettled Scotstown when they came on. Scotstown battled bravely but the game was up when Hughes was sent off for a needless late tackle.
Was Aaron Kernan booked twice in normal time?
I dont think so but Morgan got his 2nd yellow just before Kieran Hughes was sent off in the 2nd minute of extra time. I can only guess that the rules changed so that all cards are wiped for extra time?
Yellow cards are now wiped at the end of the game but anyone who received red or black in normal time cannot play in extra time
Quote from: oneclubonelife on November 29, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Explanation of 11 changes could be - 6 subs used during normal time - at the beginning of extra time you can change as many players as you want as long as the players name is on the team sheet - cross made two changes to the team that started extra time and then made a further three subs during extra time hence the 11 changes
I've been having a look at the rule book.
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/2015%20Official%20Guide%20-%20Part%202.pdf
2.4 (i) The maximum number of substitutions
permitted during the playing of Normal Time
shall be Six in Football and Five in Hurling.
(ii) A maximum of three Substitutions shall be
allowed during the playing of Extra Time
2.6 Players in Extra Time
(a) Any fifteen players may start Extra Time,
except as provided for in (b) and (d) below.
(b) In an Inter-County Game, any fifteen players
on the List submitted to the Referee prior to the
game, except as provided for in (d) below, may
start Extra Time.
(d) A player ordered off in any circumstance in
Normal Time, may not play in Extra Time but
may be replaced.
It would seem to me that the two changes Crossmaglen made at the break between the end of normal time and the start of extra-time were not counted as substitutions under Rule 2.6(a). If so, theoretically, you can make 11 changes to your team (26 is the maximum number allowed on an official matchday panel) in the break between normal time and extra-time and not have them counted as substitutions.
Then you're allowed a further three substitutions during extra-time.
So, theoretically, a team can make 20 changes (substitutions), excluding blood substitutions, during an 80 minute match - 6 substitutions in normal time, 11 at the break between normal time and extra-time, and three during extra-time. That, in my view, makes a mockery of the game.
Yet the black card rule does carry over to extra-time - you're allowed a maximum of three black cards with replacement substitutes in normal-time, but no extra allowance is made for extra-time as a "new game" where black cards are concerned - it's still a maximum of three, even including extra-time.
The way the rules are written is confusing. Why does 2.6 (b) specifically refer to an inter-county game? Is there a difference between the substitution rules in inter-county football and club football? That's the implication.
Anyway, I think being allowed to make that many changes is farcical and clearly hugely favours strong panels.
I would reduce it back to five subs in normal time, and three in extra-time (including the break between normal time and extra-time). And replacing a player who has been red carded in normal-time is a rule I've always disliked.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 29, 2015, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
Enjoyable game given the conditions, the intensity was very high even if the quality was maybe not great at times. Fair play to Cross, I remember watching them earlier in the season and they barely had 15 men out for most league games. Even their own supporters thought that they might come under pressure to hold onto their county title. However they have grown with each game and have the winning mentality from knowing they have done it all before. In James Morgan they have a true leader and warrior on the field and he has been their best player all season even if he was lucky to stay on the field as long as he did after getting 3 yellows?? Others to shine today were Tony Kernan and both Clarke and McKenna unsettled Scotstown when they came on. Scotstown battled bravely but the game was up when Hughes was sent off for a needless late tackle.
Was Aaron Kernan booked twice in normal time?
I dont think so but Morgan got his 2nd yellow just before Kieran Hughes was sent off in the 2nd minute of extra time. I can only guess that the rules changed so that all cards are wiped for extra time?
Morgan committed an unreal amount of fouls today.
Thank you Sid
McGleenan can have no complaints about the ref, he needs to look at Kieran Hughes challenge again as it was a definite red and effectively ended the game. However it is an anomaly in the rules that Danny O'Callaghan gets sent off for a vicious elbow in the 55th minute and Hughes gets sent off for a reckless tackle in the 65th yet O'Callaghan effectively escaped with a 5 minute sin bin sentence. Definitely a rule that needs looked at again.
I believe McGleenan made a bit of a show of himself at the end? I was too busy cheering, did anyone see anything?
Anybody else notice the amount of questioning/ intimidation of the ref,linesmen, umpires by cross. Nearly ever decision they were at it. Have to say thou the movement and kick passing at times by them were unreal.pinpoint accruacy.it took all there experience today to get over the line. Couldn't make out way darren Hughes was sent of for. Scotstown player should have walked for the punch on a kernan in the first half. Thought k Hughes was the best player on the field and if he'd stayed on who knows. There was neatly 10,000 there today. Imagine what sort of crowd would go if it was a few months earlier and marketed right
Quote from: redzone on November 29, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
Anybody else notice the amount of questioning/ intimidation of the ref,linesmen, umpires by cross. Nearly ever decision they were at it. Have to say thou the movement and kick passing at times by them were unreal.pinpoint accruacy.it took all there experience today to get over the line. Couldn't make out way darren Hughes was sent of for. Scotstown player should have walked for the punch on a kernan in the first half. Thought k Hughes was the best player on the field and if he'd stayed on who knows. There was neatly 10,000 there today. Imagine what sort of crowd would go if it was a few months earlier and marketed right
Strange I thought Scotstown were at it far more than Cross today arguing over every decision and where every free was taken from. Hughes was excellent but he appeared to be hurt moments before the horror tackle he deservedly walked for. Stupid thing to do at that stage and I think Scotstown would have won had he stayed on.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 29, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
McGleenan can have no complaints about the ref, he needs to look at Kieran Hughes challenge again as it was a definite red and effectively ended the game. However it is an anomaly in the rules that Danny O'Callaghan gets sent off for a vicious elbow in the 55th minute and Hughes gets sent off for a reckless tackle in the 65th yet O'Callaghan effectively escaped with a 5 minute sin bin sentence. Definitely a rule that needs looked at again.
Its just wrong plain and simple. This rule has been an accident waiting to happen and now it has happened. Probably cost Scotstown a title
Some club. 1997 was a long time ago.
Enjoyed the game to day. Both teams deserve credit for putting on such a show in arrocious conditions. It was the coldest I remember it in the Athletic Grounds with gusty wind and rain. In normal time Scotstown had a great chance to win but as happens more often than not Cross found a way to succeed. Tactically I felt Scotstown got a lot right to negate Cross but playing Kieran Hughes as full back made no sense. Cross really lost their way after half time when Hanratty went off but I felt Tony Kernan stood up to help them over the line. He and the Scotstown number 11 also had a good contest in the complaining to the referee stakes! Speaking of the referee I felt he had a very average game. For much of ordinary time he seemed to give most 50:50 calls to Scotstown and then he seemed to switch it so that Cross got most of the decisions. The call on O'Callaghan was completely correct though. That he twice this year in championship football that I have seen him sent off after a couple of minutes sub appearance. I felt Kieran Hughes tackle was a black card as he tried to trip his opponent, although a red was also possible. Darren was more annoyed with the referee than Morgan at the end.
They are so good that they don't break sweat in Armagh and appear fresh for the Ulster every October. As opposed to Cargin for example who knew they were drawn against St Galls last January and were hell for leather since then and by November were probably going over the top for this year.
Not saying Cross arnt undisputed kings of Ulster Club football. They have found the magic formula how and when to peak - as someone said earlier they toy about with the league in Armagh.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 30, 2015, 12:08:22 AM
Enjoyed the game to day. Both teams deserve credit for putting on such a show in arrocious conditions. It was the coldest I remember it in the Athletic Grounds with gusty wind and rain. In normal time Scotstown had a great chance to win but as happens more often than not Cross found a way to succeed. Tactically I felt Scotstown got a lot right to negate Cross but playing Kieran Hughes as full back made no sense. Cross really lost their way after half time when Hanratty went off but I felt Tony Kernan stood up to help them over the line. He and the Scotstown number 11 also had a good contest in the complaining to the referee stakes! Speaking of the referee I felt he had a very average game. For much of ordinary time he seemed to give most 50:50 calls to Scotstown and then he seemed to switch it so that Cross got most of the decisions. The call on O'Callaghan was completely correct though. That he twice this year in championship football that I have seen him sent off after a couple of minutes sub appearance. I felt Kieran Hughes tackle was a black card as he tried to trip his opponent, although a red was also possible. Darren was more annoyed with the referee than Morgan at the end.
I haven't seen it again but the Hughes red card was entirely justified. Happened right infront of me. It appeared He jumped with one knee bent and extended his leg into the Cross player on the way down. Completely correct decision and well refereed by the ref to play the advantage from which Cross scored (I think) and then come back to it.
Quote from: David McKeown on November 30, 2015, 12:37:00 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on November 30, 2015, 12:08:22 AM
Enjoyed the game to day. Both teams deserve credit for putting on such a show in arrocious conditions. It was the coldest I remember it in the Athletic Grounds with gusty wind and rain. In normal time Scotstown had a great chance to win but as happens more often than not Cross found a way to succeed. Tactically I felt Scotstown got a lot right to negate Cross but playing Kieran Hughes as full back made no sense. Cross really lost their way after half time when Hanratty went off but I felt Tony Kernan stood up to help them over the line. He and the Scotstown number 11 also had a good contest in the complaining to the referee stakes! Speaking of the referee I felt he had a very average game. For much of ordinary time he seemed to give most 50:50 calls to Scotstown and then he seemed to switch it so that Cross got most of the decisions. The call on O'Callaghan was completely correct though. That he twice this year in championship football that I have seen him sent off after a couple of minutes sub appearance. I felt Kieran Hughes tackle was a black card as he tried to trip his opponent, although a red was also possible. Darren was more annoyed with the referee than Morgan at the end.
I haven't seen it again but the Hughes red card was entirely justified. Happened right infront of me. It appeared He jumped with one knee bent and extended his leg into the Cross player on the way down. Completely correct decision and well refereed by the ref to play the advantage from which Cross scored (I think) and then come back to it.
When you see it again on tv you will see the cross player lay down and made a real meal out of it which got hughes sent off. It was more a black card offence and silly from hughes but not malicious. Great game though between 2 very good teams and good, entertaining football.
When do they play in the all Ireland series?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 30, 2015, 07:57:49 AM
When do they play in the all Ireland series?
Saturday 13th February
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 29, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
I believe McGleenan made a bit of a show of himself at the end? I was too busy cheering, did anyone see anything?
Probably quite mad because he has had to put up with him on many occasions as Cassidy has made himself available for colleges' games on almost every occasion on his way to getting on the county panel by this route.
The better team won but how Morgan stayed on the field I do not know so I'd imagine he was a bit peeved about that.
Quote from: AFS on November 30, 2015, 01:04:20 AM
Aaron Kernan very composed as usual but shouldn't have been allowed to continue after that knock to the head, was definitely out cold for a good 30 seconds or more.
Surprised more hasn't been made of this. There was hell to pay in rugby this year over a similar incident.
Maybe its unfair for me to comment as i was on my travels for a while and just back to my home shores but i watched the deferred coverage of the game yesterday on tv and the ref was completely out of his depth. I remember him years gone by and he always seemed to get the simple calls wrong and how he is still rated to be in charge of games of this importance is beyond me. Only my opinion.
Quote from: vallankumous on November 29, 2015, 07:17:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 29, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
Disgrace to have such a high profile game at this time of the year. Unfair on the players and the fans. Terrible conditions!
Yes.
Most club championship football is winter football.
It's shameful.
The only options are squeeze county championships, or start county championships a few months earlier. Which would you prefer?
Personally, I like it the way it is.
Quote from: Orior on November 30, 2015, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on November 29, 2015, 07:17:29 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 29, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
Disgrace to have such a high profile game at this time of the year. Unfair on the players and the fans. Terrible conditions!
Yes.
Most club championship football is winter football.
It's shameful.
The only options are squeeze county championships, or start county championships a few months earlier. Which would you prefer?
Personally, I like it the way it is.
getting rid of replays altogether would go a long way to shortening the season and not having important games being played in November/December
Quote from: Main Street on November 29, 2015, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on November 29, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
Can someone please explain the logic of a team being able to return to 15 players in extra time after a sending off? :-\
I know that's the rule. But it's a stupid rule, especially when you see Scotstown playing out the rest of the game with 14
There are two questions,
the easy one, explain how a team can return to 15 in ET after having a player sent off in normal time?
and an impossible one, to explain the logic? because logic is absent.
Extra Time is not a new game but teams are allowed to start with 15 players each, along with they are allowed to make 3 substitutions. But the player sent off in the first 60minutes can't return to the field. Yellow/black cards issued in normal time, do carry over.
Do they? I was wondering this, and I meant to question it because I think Legion might have a case in the Kerry championship. According to the reports I read, Bryan Sheehan got a yellow card in normal time, and he got a black card in extra time, and was therefore replaced. If he had received a black after a yellow in normal time, he would of course have received a red card and would not have been replaced.
Back in the old days, the rule was as you said, we fell foul of it ourselves in a game v Roscommon one time. They had a lad sent off very late in the 70 minutes, and one of our lads was yellow carded. When Extra time started, they were back to 15, but our lad got another yellow in extra time, and got the line.
If the rule has not changed, I think the ref might have made an arse of the Kerry co. final.
Well then the ref would have made an arse of the ulster final too, as I think james morgan needed 3 yellows before he got the line.
Pretty sure aaron kernan got a yellow in both normal time & extra time as well
Was a fascinating game yesterday played in atrocious condition but in good spirit and a high level of skill on show from both teams but the first touch in every Cross player is top notch, no fumbling about with them lads.
Cross IMHO just about shaded it but Scotstown showed that they belong at this level and were more than a match for long periods but I felt they made some errors which didn't help them. Beggan missed at least 6 free attempts - if that was any other player he would have got 3 max before someone else got a chance. He played one 'short' but went actually backwards or side wards whilst the rest all drifted wide of the near post every time. Secondly, both Hughes were very good but Kieran was at fault for first cross goal and I feel they would be much better if they exchanged positions. Darren could drive forward from CHB whilst Kieran is the more natural forward and could flourish at FF at club level. Several times Darren got away from Morgan and got a yard of space but didn't take advantage whereas any top notch inside forward needs half a yard and they are gone. I appreciate they play to suit the team ethic position wise but two very talented players of their ability maybe better suited if they reversed their positions. I actually thought Morgan done well on DH, was a physical battle between them and if anything Cassidy favoured the man in possession all day which suited Darren on numerous occasions where he got a few dodgy calls in his favour. For Scotstown, both Hughes were good, Turley had a great 50 minutes, Donal Morgan was good as was full back Caulfield. In the forwards, McCarthy and Carey looked dangerous but maybe need to bulk up a bit but skill wise are excellent.
But Cross are never beaten and had Hanratty and Rico Kelly stayed on the pitch injury free then they would have own in normal time - Scotstown lorded the middle 3rd when these 2 guys had to go off. Cross had numerous good performances in Murtagh, McKeown, Morgan, young O'Neill and Carragher but AK and TK really stood out when it mattered. Tony Kernan is a superb player who remained cool when the scores were needed but Aaron Kernan is different class - showed great composure, unreal kick passes and just is a class act. The incident in 1st half were he appeared to be out cold didn't look good and I cant understand Joe McQuillan not reacting on time - he was 5 yards away and just stood and stared at the player lying poleaxed and it took Stephen Kernan to run 50+ yards to put AK into recovery position. How bad it was we don't know but if it was bad then we need to look carefully at this - as someone previously stated, In Rugby he would not have been allowed to continue.
Overall, a very good game, great atmosphere in the AG and Cross just about deserved it. Talking to some local Armagh men at the game they seem to think Cross have a load of lads coming though at minor level who will compliment these lads so they don't appear to be going away and time soon.
Cross's kick passing is superb. It is probably better than most county teams.
They didn't do it so much in the second half but in the first half they put together a lot of good moves with it.
I doubt there are many, if any, better kick passers of the ball in the game than Aaron Kernan.
I watched the deferred coverage. I also watched the Clonmel Nemo game. The contrast in quality and styles was immense. The Ulster game had much more kick passing and was a more enjoyable game. Barry Cassidy was woeful. Scotstown got a lot of soft frees and there were a number of clean catches at midfield by Cross players who were tackled in a similar fashion to the Monaghan attackers but the free was given for over carrying. Cross lost there way when Hannratty came off and could have lost it. To come back in the fashion they did was testament to their spirit. Tony Kernan for me was by far the most outstanding player on the park. Morgan did well on Hughes and was unfairly penalised at times when Hughes was being cute, most refs give the benefit unfairly in my view to the forwards in these cases. All in all a good advertisement for Ulster football and hats off to Cross for never giving up.
Quote from: Mikhailov on November 30, 2015, 11:51:42 AM
Overall, a very good game, great atmosphere in the AG and Cross just about deserved it. Talking to some local Armagh men at the game they seem to think Cross have a load of lads coming though at minor level who will compliment these lads so they don't appear to be going away and time soon.
There are 8 minors on the senior panel and one started yesterday. 3 of them have appeared in the championship to date. They would be favourites for the St Paul's Minor Ulster and are very strong. There would be another 4-5 coming through from next years minors as well. They are a great bunch of young motivated lads. They are 18 years old and have done back to back minor championships with a good chance of winning it again next year. 8 now have senior county and Ulster medals. Success definitely breeding success here.
Please dont go all Indiana on us Bcb :P
Congrats to Cross. Should be an interesting AI SF, Castlebar having disposed of Corofin will hardly have an inferiority complex.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 30, 2015, 12:17:15 PM
Please dont go all Indiana on us Bcb :P
Congrats to Cross. Should be an interesting AI SF, Castlebar having disposed of Corofin will hardly have an inferiority complex.
I'm not that bad! Has he been seen since Vincents were beaten? ;)
Quote from: mackers on November 30, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: AFS on November 30, 2015, 01:04:20 AM
Aaron Kernan very composed as usual but shouldn't have been allowed to continue after that knock to the head, was definitely out cold for a good 30 seconds or more.
Surprised more hasn't been made of this. There was hell to pay in rugby this year over a similar incident.
I was right beside where Aaron Kernan fell, and I couldn't believe that the Cassidy and Joe McQuillan stood right beside AK who was out cold and hadn't moved a muscle. Stephen Kernan sprinted over and put AK on his side, and SK was rightly incensed with the inactions of the officials in regards to this. I'd love to hear why they felt it was OK for them not to do anything to try to help Aaron.
However, I really do need to question if AK should have been allowed on. It was obvious that the neutral medic (the senior Order of Malta) felt it wasn't safe for AK to continue as he first of all pleaded with AK not to go on, but then also had a fairly heated debate with the Cross doctor.
I guess in Crossmaglen some things are more important than your health and well being.......
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Aaron Kernan very composed as usual but shouldn't have been allowed to continue after that knock to the head, was definitely out cold for a good 30 seconds or more.
Surprised more hasn't been made of this. There was hell to pay in rugby this year over a similar incident.
I was right beside where Aaron Kernan fell, and I couldn't believe that the Cassidy and Joe McQuillan stood right beside AK who was out cold and hadn't moved a muscle. Stephen Kernan sprinted over and put AK on his side, and SK was rightly incensed with the inactions of the officials in regards to this. I'd love to hear why they felt it was OK for them not to do anything to try to help Aaron.
However, I really do need to question if AK should have been allowed on. It was obvious that the neutral medic (the senior Order of Malta) felt it wasn't safe for AK to continue as he first of all pleaded with AK not to go on, but then also had a fairly heated debate with the Cross doctor.
I guess in Crossmaglen some things are more important than your health and well being.......
Unless they are trained in first aid then they did the right thing and let the Malta guy in to assist ... Obviously he played on and was not at deaths door
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Quote from: mackers on November 30, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: AFS on November 30, 2015, 01:04:20 AM
Aaron Kernan very composed as usual but shouldn't have been allowed to continue after that knock to the head, was definitely out cold for a good 30 seconds or more.
Surprised more hasn't been made of this. There was hell to pay in rugby this year over a similar incident.
I was right beside where Aaron Kernan fell, and I couldn't believe that the Cassidy and Joe McQuillan stood right beside AK who was out cold and hadn't moved a muscle. Stephen Kernan sprinted over and put AK on his side, and SK was rightly incensed with the inactions of the officials in regards to this. I'd love to hear why they felt it was OK for them not to do anything to try to help Aaron.
However, I really do need to question if AK should have been allowed on. It was obvious that the neutral medic (the senior Order of Malta) felt it wasn't safe for AK to continue as he first of all pleaded with AK not to go on, but then also had a fairly heated debate with the Cross doctor.
I guess in Crossmaglen some things are more important than your health and well being.......
Unless they are trained in first aid then they did the right thing and let the Malta guy in to assist ... Obviously he played on and was not at deaths door
And he's grand today, the only sore head he has is self inflicted!!!
To clarify the cards issue and extra time;
Old Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards carry over.
New Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards are wiped clean.
The original rule didn't make sense but I always felt the correct change to make was to allow cards to carry over but to change the ruling on teams returning to 15 players. In other words, let all cards from the 60 minutes carry over into extra time, including players sent off.
Quote from: Lucifer on November 30, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
To clarify the cards issue and extra time;
Old Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards carry over.
New Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards are wiped clean.
The original rule didn't make sense but I always felt the correct change to make was to allow cards to carry over but to change the ruling on teams returning to 15 players. In other words, let all cards from the 60 minutes carry over into extra time, including players sent off.
That makes sense. The New rule I mean. At least it is consistent. The way it was was crazy.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2015, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on November 30, 2015, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: mackers on November 30, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: AFS on November 30, 2015, 01:04:20 AM
Aaron Kernan very composed as usual but shouldn't have been allowed to continue after that knock to the head, was definitely out cold for a good 30 seconds or more.
Surprised more hasn't been made of this. There was hell to pay in rugby this year over a similar incident.
I was right beside where Aaron Kernan fell, and I couldn't believe that the Cassidy and Joe McQuillan stood right beside AK who was out cold and hadn't moved a muscle. Stephen Kernan sprinted over and put AK on his side, and SK was rightly incensed with the inactions of the officials in regards to this. I'd love to hear why they felt it was OK for them not to do anything to try to help Aaron.
However, I really do need to question if AK should have been allowed on. It was obvious that the neutral medic (the senior Order of Malta) felt it wasn't safe for AK to continue as he first of all pleaded with AK not to go on, but then also had a fairly heated debate with the Cross doctor.
I guess in Crossmaglen some things are more important than your health and well being.......
Unless they are trained in first aid then they did the right thing and let the Malta guy in to assist ... Obviously he played on and was not at deaths door
I didn't see incident but My understanding is that part of referees' training is that the health and safety of players over-ride all other concerns. I see new concussion rules providing challenges for mentors. The problem is that at all levels team mentors/first aiders etc being part of the team set up, are potentially subject to pressure to keep players on the field. Referees are ideally placed as neutrals to supervise player assessment in these unique circumstances, and their training should reflect that.
In rugby, team doctors were under huge pressures from the management team and players to get players back on their feet and playing asap.
It's only with further media coverage and exposure to the dangers of concussion that doctors are not taking full control of the situation.
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Disgrace to have such a high profile game at this time of the year. Unfair on the players and the fans. Terrible conditions!
Yes.
Most club championship football is winter football.
It's shameful.
The only options are squeeze county championships, or start county championships a few months earlier. Which would you prefer?
Personally, I like it the way it is.
Club matches are far more interesting and open imo. Not as many defensive systems, far more proper football.
The championship this year was so poor.
With what happened to Ronan Clarke recently I would really also question whether he should have been let carry on. The concussion thing can kick in a lot later.
I suspect that if AK hadn't played on the result would have been different as he was very influential but he did a few out of character things at the end(could have been red carded by some refs though I don't believe he should have been) which would be out of character for him. I wondered if the blow to the head had an effect.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 30, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
In rugby, team doctors were under huge pressures from the management team and players to get players back on their feet and playing asap.
It's only with further media coverage and exposure to the dangers of concussion that doctors are not taking full control of the situation.
Leinster had 3 concussions the other week. WTF.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 30, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
In rugby, team doctors were under huge pressures from the management team and players to get players back on their feet and playing asap.
It's only with further media coverage and exposure to the dangers of concussion that doctors are not taking full control of the situation.
How good do you think the response of the sport to concussion has been?
Quote from: Lucifer on November 30, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
To clarify the cards issue and extra time;
Old Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards carry over.
New Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards are wiped clean.
The original rule didn't make sense but I always felt the correct change to make was to allow cards to carry over but to change the ruling on teams returning to 15 players. In other words, let all cards from the 60 minutes carry over into extra time, including players sent off.
What then is the rule for noting/tickings from normal time to extra time, do they carry over or not ?
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 30, 2015, 12:06:06 PM
I watched the deferred coverage. I also watched the Clonmel Nemo game. The contrast in quality and styles was immense. The Ulster game had much more kick passing and was a more enjoyable game. Barry Cassidy was woeful. Scotstown got a lot of soft frees and there were a number of clean catches at midfield by Cross players who were tackled in a similar fashion to the Monaghan attackers but the free was given for over carrying. Cross lost there way when Hannratty came off and could have lost it. To come back in the fashion they did was testament to their spirit. Tony Kernan for me was by far the most outstanding player on the park. Morgan did well on Hughes and was unfairly penalised at times when Hughes was being cute, most refs give the benefit unfairly in my view to the forwards in these cases. All in all a good advertisement for Ulster football and hats off to Cross for never giving up.
You could barely see the Munster match with the rain on the cameras.
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Quote from: Applesisapples on November 30, 2015, 12:06:06 PM
I watched the deferred coverage. I also watched the Clonmel Nemo game. The contrast in quality and styles was immense. The Ulster game had much more kick passing and was a more enjoyable game. Barry Cassidy was woeful. Scotstown got a lot of soft frees and there were a number of clean catches at midfield by Cross players who were tackled in a similar fashion to the Monaghan attackers but the free was given for over carrying. Cross lost there way when Hannratty came off and could have lost it. To come back in the fashion they did was testament to their spirit. Tony Kernan for me was by far the most outstanding player on the park. Morgan did well on Hughes and was unfairly penalised at times when Hughes was being cute, most refs give the benefit unfairly in my view to the forwards in these cases. All in all a good advertisement for Ulster football and hats off to Cross for never giving up.
You could barely see the Munster match with the rain on the cameras.
That was no bad thing, even with conditions as bad it was a woeful game.
Quote from: cccc on November 30, 2015, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on November 30, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
To clarify the cards issue and extra time;
Old Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards carry over.
New Rule - A team returns to 15 players in extra time but cards are wiped clean.
The original rule didn't make sense but I always felt the correct change to make was to allow cards to carry over but to change the ruling on teams returning to 15 players. In other words, let all cards from the 60 minutes carry over into extra time, including players sent off.
What then is the rule for noting/tickings from normal time to extra time, do they carry over or not ?
Clean slate for extra time.
you sure ?
Yes. New rules only came into effect this year pre inter county Championship.
Quote from: NAG1 on November 30, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 30, 2015, 12:06:06 PM
I watched the deferred coverage. I also watched the Clonmel Nemo game. The contrast in quality and styles was immense. The Ulster game had much more kick passing and was a more enjoyable game. Barry Cassidy was woeful. Scotstown got a lot of soft frees and there were a number of clean catches at midfield by Cross players who were tackled in a similar fashion to the Monaghan attackers but the free was given for over carrying. Cross lost there way when Hannratty came off and could have lost it. To come back in the fashion they did was testament to their spirit. Tony Kernan for me was by far the most outstanding player on the park. Morgan did well on Hughes and was unfairly penalised at times when Hughes was being cute, most refs give the benefit unfairly in my view to the forwards in these cases. All in all a good advertisement for Ulster football and hats off to Cross for never giving up.
You could barely see the Munster match with the rain on the cameras.
That was no bad thing, even with conditions as bad it was a woeful game.
First half was very good.
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
On the concussion thing, I was talking to a really connected rugby person and he was saying that the rugby authorities are absolutely petrified about the possibility of leaving themselves open to legal action down the road. He said that some of the main rugby schools in Ireland had been considering organising a medical study around the whole area of concussion on developing bodies and the potential damage it does but after talking to lawyers cancelled the study as the risks associated with the study returning negative effects were too high in terms of future injury payouts or having to change the game radically.
Even though the rates of concussion are lower in the GAA I'd really like to see Croke Park doing more to increase awareness, especially at underage level, given how much potential for damage their is to developing brains.
Quote from: Throw ball on December 01, 2015, 12:34:36 AM
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
I think most people will accept that there were a lot missing against Kilcoo in 2013, although Cross didn't give in easily. In 2014 I think Cross let it slip, notwithstanding some missing players. I suppose the hope for Armagh and Ulster is that in 5 or 6 years time Aaron won't be playing, but the danger is that he will be managing!
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
I don't agree with the first part in bold.
IMO it was very unfair for cross to return to 15 after a sending off while Scotstown where not able to.I cant understand the logic of allowing team to go back to 15 at all.
I agree with your last sentence though. Cards have become far to easy to pick up for very innocuous things.
Pull a jersey twice and you can expect to recieve a yellow card , thats the rules of the game...
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Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
I don't agree with the first part in bold.
IMO it was very unfair for cross to return to 15 after a sending off while Scotstown where not able to.I cant understand the logic of allowing team to go back to 15 at all.
I agree with your last sentence though. Cards have become far to easy to pick up for very innocuous things.
agree. You get anyone sent off, and the game is scheduled to go to extra time, you take your oil (rule obviously has to be in place to this effect). This 'new game' malarky, absolute nonsense imo. Will the history books tell of Cross and Scotstown playing twice in the Ulster Final in 2015? Cross drawing 1 and winning the other, Scotstown drawing 1 and losing the other
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 01, 2015, 12:34:36 AM
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
I think most people will accept that there were a lot missing against Kilcoo in 2013, although Cross didn't give in easily. In 2014 I think Cross let it slip, notwithstanding some missing players. I suppose the hope for Armagh and Ulster is that in 5 or 6 years time Aaron won't be playing, but the danger is that he will be managing!
Cross won't be going anywhere anytime soon with or without AK.
Very strong minor team coming through I understand who are favs to win St Paul's. Unless the likes of Cullyhanna, Clann Éireann etc can transform their underage success into senior then I can't see there being any hope, not in Armagh anyway.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Why do you think it is fair to return teams to the full 15 for ET? And why does 'amateur' or 'professional' come into the equation?
It's not fair on a team who see the opposition go unpunished for a red card offence that happens in normal time. Can someone fly kick the oppositions star man to the head in the last minute of normal time, get sent-off for a minute and return in extra time?
Quote from: general_lee on December 01, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 01, 2015, 12:34:36 AM
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
I think most people will accept that there were a lot missing against Kilcoo in 2013, although Cross didn't give in easily. In 2014 I think Cross let it slip, notwithstanding some missing players. I suppose the hope for Armagh and Ulster is that in 5 or 6 years time Aaron won't be playing, but the danger is that he will be managing!
Cross won't be going anywhere anytime soon with or without AK.
Very strong minor team coming through I understand who are favs to win St Paul's. Unless the likes of Cullyhanna, Clann Éireann etc can transform their underage success into senior then I can't see there being any hope, not in Armagh anyway.
Kernan is the main man in that team. I said it before that if you want to beat Cross you have to mark him. He would need marked like he's a corner forward.
No way should you be able to return to 15 in extra time. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 01, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Why do you think it is fair to return teams to the full 15 for ET? And why does 'amateur' or 'professional' come into the equation?
It's not fair on a team who see the opposition go unpunished for a red card offence that happens in normal time. Can someone fly kick the oppositions star man to the head in the last minute of normal time, get sent-off for a minute and return in extra time?
But if you take that to it's logical conclusion, why should a team start a replay with 15 men in a situation where no extra time was played?
Quote from: westbound on December 01, 2015, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 01, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Why do you think it is fair to return teams to the full 15 for ET? And why does 'amateur' or 'professional' come into the equation?
It's not fair on a team who see the opposition go unpunished for a red card offence that happens in normal time. Can someone fly kick the oppositions star man to the head in the last minute of normal time, get sent-off for a minute and return in extra time?
But if you take that to it's logical conclusion, why should a team start a replay with 15 men in a situation where no extra time was played?
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 01, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Why do you think it is fair to return teams to the full 15 for ET? And why does 'amateur' or 'professional' come into the equation?
It's not fair on a team who see the opposition go unpunished for a red card offence that happens in normal time. Can someone fly kick the oppositions star man to the head in the last minute of normal time, get sent-off for a minute and return in extra time?
Quite simply because any team that can draw with 14 vs 15 deserves another shot at it and in the Ulster Club a replay is not allowed. The rules apply to everyone and you know what they are when you enter. Its a long slog to 80 minutes for club teams in particular. And although in this instance Danny O'Callaghan deserved all he got there have been occasions where reds are either unwarranted or soft and it gives teams something to fight for. Just my opinion and others will not see it that way.
Quote from: westbound on December 01, 2015, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 01, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Why do you think it is fair to return teams to the full 15 for ET? And why does 'amateur' or 'professional' come into the equation?
It's not fair on a team who see the opposition go unpunished for a red card offence that happens in normal time. Can someone fly kick the oppositions star man to the head in the last minute of normal time, get sent-off for a minute and return in extra time?
But if you take that to it's logical conclusion, why should a team start a replay with 15 men in a situation where no extra time was played?
Exactly
The rules are he rules and that's that. Scotstown had the chance to win when we were down to 14 men. It was for around 8 minutes injury time included and they didn't. We had the extra man for about 17 minutes allowing for injury time and we made it count. They had their chances and couldn't take them and that is the difference between winners and losers.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 01, 2015, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 01, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
On the extra time ruling, I think it is fair in an amateur sport that teams return to 15 at the start of ET. This is especially true in a final where no replay is provided for. All teams know the rules and no one is disadvantaged. I also think that yellow cards are too easy to get in football and refs to quick to dish them out.
Why do you think it is fair to return teams to the full 15 for ET? And why does 'amateur' or 'professional' come into the equation?
It's not fair on a team who see the opposition go unpunished for a red card offence that happens in normal time. Can someone fly kick the oppositions star man to the head in the last minute of normal time, get sent-off for a minute and return in extra time?
Quite simply because any team that can draw with 14 vs 15 deserves another shot at it and in the Ulster Club a replay is not allowed. The rules apply to everyone and you know what they are when you enter. Its a long slog to 80 minutes for club teams in particular. And although in this instance Danny O'Callaghan deserved all he got there have been occasions where reds are either unwarranted or soft and it gives teams something to fight for. Just my opinion and others will not see it that way.
"Deserves got nothing to do with it" as Will Munny would say
You're advocating a team be rewarded for breaking the rules?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 01, 2015, 03:30:00 PM
The rules are he rules and that's that. Scotstown had the chance to win when we were down to 14 men. It was for around 8 minutes injury time included and they didn't. We had the extra man for about 17 minutes allowing for injury time and we made it count. They had their chances and couldn't take them and that is the difference between winners and losers.
yes, but I think the point is Scotstown should have had an extra man for a round 10-12 minutes and both teams should have been down to 14 for that last 17 minutes.
Cross didn't do anthing wrong here , those are the rules as they stand and as you say, they just made their advantage count better than Scotstown did.
IMO but, the rule is wrong and Cross shouldn't have had that period where they were a man up.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
It is what it is, clubs (especially my own) have tried to beat Cross and never got close (bar the odd few) but we found out how to beat them is simple (as tommy has said) you have to stop AK but that isn't enough and not as easy as that, winning midfield is a big area to for Cross, they my not win too many first time balls but they have lads sweeping up the dirty ball, they have great tacklers also which spoil the whole game, they play like Kilkenny (someone brought up the jersey's earlier ) on the edge and take the letter of the law to the limit ...
fair play to them... I've always been impressed by them regardless of the beatings (feckers)
Surely the big talk of the various cards should focus on O'Callaghan's brainless red. If Cross had lost in normal time he would have had serious questions to answer and should still do.
On the concussion are we really sure Aaron Kernan was actually concussed?
Quote from: smelmoth on December 01, 2015, 08:10:06 PM
Surely the big talk of the various cards should focus on O'Callaghan's brainless red. If Cross had lost in normal time he would have had serious questions to answer and should still do.
On the concussion are we really sure Aaron Kernan was actually concussed?
He wan't concussed, he went to the hospital to get his hand checked and was back in the club later that night. Just because you're knocked out doesn't automatically mean you will be concussed.
Am i missing something but this rule has always been around so why the furore over it now? It's the same rule for everyone. Same old story concerning the teams that could have, should have but at the end of the day didn't actually beat Crossmaglen. Scotstown could not grab the initiative. O'Callaghan was stupid to put his team in that position but lucky for him they held out.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 01, 2015, 12:34:36 AM
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
I think most people will accept that there were a lot missing against Kilcoo in 2013, although Cross didn't give in easily. In 2014 I think Cross let it slip, notwithstanding some missing players. I suppose the hope for Armagh and Ulster is that in 5 or 6 years time Aaron won't be playing, but the danger is that he will be managing!
It used to be said Cross wouldn't be the same without Jim McConville, then it was the McEntees, then Oisin McConville. They keep reinventing themselves.
Quote from: Armamike on December 01, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 01, 2015, 12:34:36 AM
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
I think most people will accept that there were a lot missing against Kilcoo in 2013, although Cross didn't give in easily. In 2014 I think Cross let it slip, notwithstanding some missing players. I suppose the hope for Armagh and Ulster is that in 5 or 6 years time Aaron won't be playing, but the danger is that he will be managing!
It used to be said Cross wouldn't be the same without Jim McConville, then it was the McEntees, then Oisin McConville. They keep reinventing themselves.
I'll tell you who will be hard replaced and that is big Hertz!
Quote from: smelmoth on December 01, 2015, 08:10:06 PM
Surely the big talk of the various cards should focus on O'Callaghan's brainless red. If Cross had lost in normal time he would have had serious questions to answer and should still do.
Indeed. The Cross management are known for advocating the use of the foot, a good use of John Mc's boot would be up O'Callaghan's hole.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 01, 2015, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 01, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 01, 2015, 12:34:36 AM
Cross have now won 7 Ulster titles in 10 years. The only teams beating them in championship football in that time in Ulster being Pearse Og Armagh in 2009 by 3 points, Kilcoo of Down in 2013 after a replay and 2 periods of extra time and Omagh of Tyrone last year by 2 points. None of the teams that beat them won Ulster. Although Cross people may not admit it the teams they fielded in 2013 and 2014 were not their strongest - Aaron Kernan was unable to start either game. Will the hoodoo they have over Armagh spread to Ulster.
I think most people will accept that there were a lot missing against Kilcoo in 2013, although Cross didn't give in easily. In 2014 I think Cross let it slip, notwithstanding some missing players. I suppose the hope for Armagh and Ulster is that in 5 or 6 years time Aaron won't be playing, but the danger is that he will be managing!
It used to be said Cross wouldn't be the same without Jim McConville, then it was the McEntees, then Oisin McConville. They keep reinventing themselves.
I'll tell you who will be hard replaced and that is big Hertz!
Plus Aaron and Tony.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
It is what it is, clubs (especially my own) have tried to beat Cross and never got close (bar the odd few) but we found out how to beat them is simple (as tommy has said) you have to stop AK but that isn't enough and not as easy as that, winning midfield is a big area to for Cross, they my not win too many first time balls but they have lads sweeping up the dirty ball, they have great tacklers also which spoil the whole game, they play like Kilkenny (someone brought up the jersey's earlier ) on the edge and take the letter of the law to the limit ...
fair play to them... I've always been impressed by them regardless of the beatings (feckers)
Compared to the Cross team of the BCB era the current team are saints!
Quote from: Throw ball on December 02, 2015, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
It is what it is, clubs (especially my own) have tried to beat Cross and never got close (bar the odd few) but we found out how to beat them is simple (as tommy has said) you have to stop AK but that isn't enough and not as easy as that, winning midfield is a big area to for Cross, they my not win too many first time balls but they have lads sweeping up the dirty ball, they have great tacklers also which spoil the whole game, they play like Kilkenny (someone brought up the jersey's earlier ) on the edge and take the letter of the law to the limit ...
fair play to them... I've always been impressed by them regardless of the beatings (feckers)
Compared to the Cross team of the BCB era the current team are saints!
Oi we'll have less of it!! We were clean honest to goodness footballers :P
Quote from: Armamike on December 01, 2015, 08:34:32 PM
Am i missing something but this rule has always been around so why the furore over it now? It's the same rule for everyone. Same old story concerning the teams that could have, should have but at the end of the day didn't actually beat Crossmaglen. Scotstown could not grab the initiative. O'Callaghan was stupid to put his team in that position but lucky for him they held out.
yes, the rule has always been there, but this game in particular highlighted how stupid it is.
I'm not trying to have a go at crossmagleen or somehow trying to take away from their hard earned victory, I am just pointing out that IMO the rule is unfair and doesn't have much logic behind it.
Yeah the same could happened the other way round. Just a silly rule. Nothing to do with either of the teams playing.
Will Jamie Clarke be more available for the AI series BCB?
Leinster should be interesting. I would doubt that Clonmel would challenge the other 3 to be honest. The difference in those two games on sunday was night and day in terms of standard although it is hard to gauge conditions at times from the tv.
I think Cross will have too much for castlebar but I wouldn't be sure they would for whoever gets out of Leinster.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
Can't help but thinking if it had been the other way round......
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
Yeah the same could happened the other way round. Just a silly rule. Nothing to do with either of the teams playing.
Will Jamie Clarke be more available for the AI series BCB?
Leinster should be interesting. I would doubt that Clonmel would challenge the other 3 to be honest. The difference in those two games on sunday was night and day in terms of standard although it is hard to gauge conditions at times from the tv.
I think Cross will have too much for castlebar but I wouldn't be sure they would for whoever gets out of Leinster.
Castlebar will be very hard to beat. Strong side with experience to boot from their 2014 run. There are a good few of the Cross squad were not their for the last run so it will be a new experience to them too. Jamie should be there.
I didn't see the Clonmel game but is their any chance that Tir Connail might spring a surprise in Ruislip?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2015, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
Yeah the same could happened the other way round. Just a silly rule. Nothing to do with either of the teams playing.
Will Jamie Clarke be more available for the AI series BCB?
Leinster should be interesting. I would doubt that Clonmel would challenge the other 3 to be honest. The difference in those two games on sunday was night and day in terms of standard although it is hard to gauge conditions at times from the tv.
I think Cross will have too much for castlebar but I wouldn't be sure they would for whoever gets out of Leinster.
Castlebar will be very hard to beat. Strong side with experience to boot from their 2014 run. There are a good few of the Cross squad were not their for the last run so it will be a new experience to them too. Jamie should be there.
I didn't see the Clonmel game but is their any chance that Tir Connail might spring a surprise in Ruislip?
It was more like a game of handball than Basketball. he conditions were similar to Armagh but I thought both teams lacked quality.
Clarke has said he will be there in February but may be venturing away on his travels again after so will probably give Armagh duty a miss.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2015, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2015, 08:45:05 AM
Yeah the same could happened the other way round. Just a silly rule. Nothing to do with either of the teams playing.
Will Jamie Clarke be more available for the AI series BCB?
Leinster should be interesting. I would doubt that Clonmel would challenge the other 3 to be honest. The difference in those two games on sunday was night and day in terms of standard although it is hard to gauge conditions at times from the tv.
I think Cross will have too much for castlebar but I wouldn't be sure they would for whoever gets out of Leinster.
Castlebar will be very hard to beat. Strong side with experience to boot from their 2014 run. There are a good few of the Cross squad were not their for the last run so it will be a new experience to them too. Jamie should be there.
I didn't see the Clonmel game but is their any chance that Tir Connail might spring a surprise in Ruislip?
I would say there's a chance...
Castlebar are a decent side but I don't think they're as good as cross though it may be ulster bias. The whole thing is very open these days. Clonmel may surprise as sometimes hard to gauge at this time of year... 3 of 4 will be in with a big chance.
Portlaoise might give Ballyboden their fill of it. Should be an interesting one.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
Quote from: Orior on December 02, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
no, 15. It's a replay, a new game, not extra time @ the end of a game
Not going through every post on this thread here but are there seriously some people here saying that they think a team should be allowed to start extra time with 15 if they have lost men through red cards during the course of the game?
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 02, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
Not going through every post on this thread here but are there seriously some people here saying that they think a team should be allowed to start extra time with 15 if they have lost men through red cards during the course of the game?
Is there some people? Yes
Are they serious? Yes
Do they think? Yes
Are they sanctimonious hooers? Possibly
Start extra time with 15 players? Yes, and that includes the authors of the GAA rulebook
Quote from: Orior on December 02, 2015, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 02, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
Not going through every post on this thread here but are there seriously some people here saying that they think a team should be allowed to start extra time with 15 if they have lost men through red cards during the course of the game?
Is there some people? Yes
Are they serious? Yes
Do they think? Yes
Are they sanctimonious hooers? Possibly
Start extra time with 15 players? Yes, and that includes the authors of the GAA rulebook
It goes against the logic of every sport that the majority of us on this island have played or been exposed to all our lives though. If you are playing a match and a player is sent-off, there is no expectation that your numbers will/should be replenished if you finish the game level and extra-time is to come. How long has this rule been in existence? Also, with the number of discrepancies in the GAA rulebook I don't think classing the authors of the rulebook as some high and might power is very credible.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 02, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
no, 15. It's a replay, a new game, not extra time @ the end of a game
That's the point, if a drawn Ulster Final is not going to a replay then in fairness both teams can reset for extra time. Whilst obsessing on the fact that Cross restarted with 15 we over look the fact that they wisely used 26 players over the 80 minutes. Bottom line is that Extra time is considered a new game in place of an actual replay and everybody signs up to the rules.
Quote from: Orior on December 02, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
IMO there shouldn't be replays. ALL games ending in a draw that require a winner should go to extra time.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 02, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
no, 15. It's a replay, a new game, not extra time @ the end of a game
That's the point, if a drawn Ulster Final is not going to a replay then in fairness both teams can reset for extra time. Whilst obsessing on the fact that Cross restarted with 15 we over look the fact that they wisely used 26 players over the 80 minutes. Bottom line is that Extra time is considered a new game in place of an actual replay and everybody signs up to the rules.
+1
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 02, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
no, 15. It's a replay, a new game, not extra time @ the end of a game
That's the point, if a drawn Ulster Final is not going to a replay then in fairness both teams can reset for extra time. Whilst obsessing on the fact that Cross restarted with 15 we over look the fact that they wisely used 26 players over the 80 minutes. Bottom line is that Extra time is considered a new game in place of an actual replay and everybody signs up to the rules.
my point is, the bit in bold means the 2 x finalists will not be lining out to start a new game ie will play 20 mins extra of the existing game. imo, you should continue extra time (ie a continuation of the same game) with the same amount of players you finished the same game with. Surely this is common sense?
game game game game game
This is no shape or form a go at Cross, I've nothing but admiration for the club. Orior, this isn't anti-Cross / Armagh , I'm married to an Armagh woman (maybe it is then!). I'm merely questioning the existing rule
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2015, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
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Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 01, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
because it is a new game, scoreboards reset to zero, new tickets, on a different date, another championship appearance against a mans name etc etc. Extra time is not a new game (regardless of what the stupid rules says), its an extension of the same game. If you go down to 14 men, 13 men, whatever, it should carry into extra time as its the same game (except in GAA land when its not the same game, but a new game). The rule couldn't be any more Irish.
The scoreboard isn't set to zero in extra time, but as it was a draw it is much the same. The rest of the guff abut extra tickets and so forth is irrelevant to the issue. The red carded offender cannot return, so all that happens is that a red card becomes a black card.
the rest of the 'guff' you sanctimonious hooer is to show how ridiculous the calling of extra time a 'new game' is. imo, allowing teams to start extra time with 15 is rewarding teams breaking rules. Its as simple as that. You get a man / men sent off during the 60 / 70 mins, the game goes into extra time, take your oil and have a word with the offenders in your team
I'm with sanctimonious hooer on this. If a team finished with 14 men then would you propose that they start a replay with 14 men?
no, 15. It's a replay, a new game, not extra time @ the end of a game
That's the point, if a drawn Ulster Final is not going to a replay then in fairness both teams can reset for extra time. Whilst obsessing on the fact that Cross restarted with 15 we over look the fact that they wisely used 26 players over the 80 minutes. Bottom line is that Extra time is considered a new game in place of an actual replay and everybody signs up to the rules.
my point is, the bit in bold means the 2 x finalists will not be lining out to start a new game ie will play 20 mins extra of the existing game. imo, you should continue extra time (ie a continuation of the same game) with the same amount of players you finished the same game with. Surely this is common sense?
game game game game game
This is no shape or form a go at Cross, I've nothing but admiration for the club. Orior, this isn't anti-Cross / Armagh , I'm married to an Armagh woman (maybe it is then!). I'm merely questioning the existing rule
So it comes down to a matter of opinion on fairness and there is a split.
I struggle to understand the 'new game' argument TBH.
I am surprised there are so many people take this view.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on December 02, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
I struggle to understand the 'new game' argument TBH.
I am surprised there are so many people take this view.
It's completely ridiculous and ludicrous. A player could be sent off after 59 minutes and his team plays for one minute with 14 men. The other team gets a player sent off one minute into extra time for the same offence and his team has to play for 19 minutes with 14 men. The 2 players are sent off 2 minutes apart or less, for the same offence and yet one team gets much more of a disadvantage than the other. Something similar to that happened in Sunday's final. Cross had a player sent off very near the end and had a very short time with 14. Hughes gets sent off a few minutes later albeit in extra time and his team gets much longer with 14 players. The whole new game thing has to be looked at again.
Quote from: lenny on December 02, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on December 02, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
I struggle to understand the 'new game' argument TBH.
I am surprised there are so many people take this view.
It's completely ridiculous and ludicrous. A player could be sent off after 59 minutes and his team plays for one minute with 14 men. The other team gets a player sent off one minute into extra time for the same offence and his team has to play for 19 minutes with 14 men. The 2 players are sent off 2 minutes apart or less, for the same offence and yet one team gets much more of a disadvantage than the other. Something similar to that happened in Sunday's final. Cross had a player sent off very near the end and had a very short time with 14. Hughes gets sent off a few minutes later albeit in extra time and his team gets much longer with 14 players. The whole new game thing has to be looked at again.
I'll tell you what you all do, go to your county reps in your clubs and ask them to raise this point for debate and amendment. It is what it is and sometimes you benefit and sometimes you don't.
I'm confused as to why this is getting such an airing. The biggest problem I had was that red and yellow cards were treated differently in extra time (you could replace the red card, but yellow cards accrued counted into extra time). The fact that that is no longer the case makes me happy enough.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 03:51:57 PM
I'm confused as to why this is getting such an airing. The biggest problem I had was that red and yellow cards were treated differently in extra time (you could replace the red card, but yellow cards accrued counted into extra time). The fact that that is no longer the case makes me happy enough.
AZ on the nail, as usual.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2015, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 02, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on December 02, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
I struggle to understand the 'new game' argument TBH.
I am surprised there are so many people take this view.
It's completely ridiculous and ludicrous. A player could be sent off after 59 minutes and his team plays for one minute with 14 men. The other team gets a player sent off one minute into extra time for the same offence and his team has to play for 19 minutes with 14 men. The 2 players are sent off 2 minutes apart or less, for the same offence and yet one team gets much more of a disadvantage than the other. Something similar to that happened in Sunday's final. Cross had a player sent off very near the end and had a very short time with 14. Hughes gets sent off a few minutes later albeit in extra time and his team gets much longer with 14 players. The whole new game thing has to be looked at again.
I'll tell you what you all do, go to your county reps in your clubs and ask them to raise this point for debate and amendment. It is what it is and sometimes you benefit and sometimes you don't.
100% everyone knows the rules when they start no use in bitching afterwards.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 03:51:57 PM
I'm confused as to why this is getting such an airing. The biggest problem I had was that red and yellow cards were treated differently in extra time (you could replace the red card, but yellow cards accrued counted into extra time). The fact that that is no longer the case makes me happy enough.
No they didn't rule changed in April
I don't understand what the problem is either. The 20min extra period is either an extension/continuation of the drawn game or it acts as a substitute for a reply. If its the former then all cards carry over, if it is the latter then they don't.
I take it that the ideal is a replay but practical considerations mean we have to make do with extra periods immediately after the drawn game.
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2015, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2015, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 02, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on December 02, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
I struggle to understand the 'new game' argument TBH.
I am surprised there are so many people take this view.
It's completely ridiculous and ludicrous. A player could be sent off after 59 minutes and his team plays for one minute with 14 men. The other team gets a player sent off one minute into extra time for the same offence and his team has to play for 19 minutes with 14 men. The 2 players are sent off 2 minutes apart or less, for the same offence and yet one team gets much more of a disadvantage than the other. Something similar to that happened in Sunday's final. Cross had a player sent off very near the end and had a very short time with 14. Hughes gets sent off a few minutes later albeit in extra time and his team gets much longer with 14 players. The whole new game thing has to be looked at again.
I'll tell you what you all do, go to your county reps in your clubs and ask them to raise this point for debate and amendment. It is what it is and sometimes you benefit and sometimes you don't.
100% everyone knows the rules when they start no use in bitching afterwards.
ye needy stop taking this personally. Its not in any shape or form a dig at any team, but the RULE !
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 03:51:57 PM
I'm confused as to why this is getting such an airing. The biggest problem I had was that red and yellow cards were treated differently in extra time (you could replace the red card, but yellow cards accrued counted into extra time). The fact that that is no longer the case makes me happy enough.
No they didn't rule changed in April
That's what I said?
If it is a new game then how come the red carded player is allowed to play in extra time? Surely he should now be suspended going by some of the logic on here.
The red carded player is not allowed to play in extra time, surely.
Right to settle this i demand a replay and no-one is allowed to be booked or sent off...hammer and thongs
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 03, 2015, 08:17:15 AM
If it is a new game then how come the red carded player is allowed to play in extra time? Surely he should now be suspended going by some of the logic on here.
He's not. The team are allowed replace red carded players to bring themselves up to 15, but the player himself can't play.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 02, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 03:51:57 PM
I'm confused as to why this is getting such an airing. The biggest problem I had was that red and yellow cards were treated differently in extra time (you could replace the red card, but yellow cards accrued counted into extra time). The fact that that is no longer the case makes me happy enough.
No they didn't rule changed in April
That's what I said?
oops sorry wasn't wearing my specs
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2015, 09:13:50 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 03, 2015, 08:17:15 AM
If it is a new game then how come the red carded player is allowed to play in extra time? Surely he should now be suspended going by some of the logic on here.
He's not. The team are allowed replace red carded players to bring themselves up to 15, but the player himself can't play.
They can replace as many players as they want from the match day panel.
Yeah, they can basically set out a new starting 15, but the question is about the lad who got the red card in normal time. He can't play.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2015, 10:31:45 AM
Yeah, they can basically set out a new starting 15, but the question is about the lad who got the red card in normal time. He can't play.
No he is automatically on so can't take part
2 yellow cards resulting in red for a player. Surely if extra time is a new game he can play?
Couldn't see a thread for this year's St Paul's tournament but we completed the Ulster double today with an outstanding performance to beat St Eunan's by 15 points. 8 of the players today have senior medals as well. It was an outrageously good performance and it wasn't just the older ones who got the plaudits with a few of the younger lads chipping in with big scores. 15 of the squad are underage again next year so they have something decent to build on. No team in the Ulster series got within 10 points of them. It will be interesting to see how they develop now with the senior squad.
Saw that, some performance from those young lads. Cross are some club BC1, ye should be very proud of what you're all doing.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 01, 2016, 04:41:19 PM
Couldn't see a thread for this year's St Paul's tournament but we completed the Ulster double today with an outstanding performance to beat St Eunan's by 15 points. 8 of the players today have senior medals as well. It was an outrageously good performance and it wasn't just the older ones who got the plaudits with a few of the younger lads chipping in with big scores. 15 of the squad are underage again next year so they have something decent to build on. No team in the Ulster series got within 10 points of them. It will be interesting to see how they develop now with the senior squad.
Well done. Let's hope this age group get into the habit of winning Ulster titles.
With Clann Eireann having won the U16 and having given Cross' a much harder game in the Armagh minor final than any teams in the Ulster series, Armagh youth is in reasonable shape, at least in Cross and Clann Eireann!
Quote from: Zulu on January 01, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
Saw that, some performance from those young lads. Cross are some club BC1, ye should be very proud of what you're all doing.
None of my doing but proud all the same!!! The funny thing is that while this team is very special there are a few teams over the next 4-5 years who won't be far off them either. The big thing about this group is that they are a very focused bunch. 8 on the senior squad with I'd say another 4-5 of next years team at least are capable of it. A lot of these players are from strong families who had fathers/uncles with AI medals so it is easier to keep them focused. Unlike some clubs, while this result will be celebrated and rightly so these lads will be made very quickly aware of where it stands in the grander scheme. They won't be let get carried away with it like might happen in other clubs. Here's AK's tweet about it
QuoteCongrats to @crossrangers minors on your success. Immensely proud of you all. Time to bring it into senior careers.
Stepping stone to the big stuff. They'll be at senior training Sunday morning.
The Creggan thread was giving off about these tournaments, but you can see Cross enjoyed their St Pauls win today.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 01, 2016, 05:48:59 PM
The Creggan thread was giving off about these tournaments, but you can see Cross enjoyed their St Pauls win today.
Having played it in before, it means a lot to the players. I think it should be taken over by the Ulster Council and played before Ulster Senior club matches rather than leaving it to be run off over a few weeks around Christmas.
Can anyone remember coaisland setting up a Ulster tournament a few yrs back. Possibly 7 a side. Anyway they won it but I don't think they bothered to run it again as they never had a team good enough. Prob a bout 10 yr ago now
Quote from: redzone on January 01, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
Can anyone remember coaisland setting up a Ulster tournament a few yrs back. Possibly 7 a side. Anyway they won it but I don't think they bothered to run it again as they never had a team good enough. Prob a bout 10 yr ago now
was it u21? Have vague recollections of something like that
Congrats to Cross. A super competition, our club has been there numerous times and the standard of football never disappoints.
Quote from: general_lee on January 01, 2016, 10:06:25 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 01, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
Can anyone remember coaisland setting up a Ulster tournament a few yrs back. Possibly 7 a side. Anyway they won it but I don't think they bothered to run it again as they never had a team good enough. Prob a bout 10 yr ago now
was it u21? Have vague recollections of something like that
Might've been u21 alright. There's no doubt these completions are a brilliant showcase, pity the calendar wasn't a bit better prepared. Somebody mentioned Mcrory cup, it def needs to be run of a lot sooner. Late Jan I would have thought would make sense.