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#46
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on May 03, 2022, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2022, 01:36:37 PM
Does HMRC want any of your earnings if you are working in the South and living in the North?

If you are resident in the North you will have to pay your taxes in the North. Assuming Brexit doesn't change things down the line any tax you pay in the South can be set against the tax due under a Double Taxation agreement. Circumstances can be different from person to person - eg employed or self employed etc.- so it is normally best to get advice from an accountant who has experience in cross border matters.

I pay all my taxes to Dublin , i live in Derry

I would advise you check with a tax professional if you are correct doing that.
#47
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2022, 01:36:37 PM
Does HMRC want any of your earnings if you are working in the South and living in the North?

If you are resident in the North you will have to pay your taxes in the North. Assuming Brexit doesn't change things down the line any tax you pay in the South can be set against the tax due under a Double Taxation agreement. Circumstances can be different from person to person - eg employed or self employed etc.- so it is normally best to get advice from an accountant who has experience in cross border matters.
#48
Quote from: thewobbler on April 25, 2022, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: seanaglis on April 25, 2022, 08:53:58 PM
Armagh stayed the night in Jacksons- right in the middle in Ballybofey.

Would it not have been wiser to stay somewhere a few miles outside the town- less interactions with supporters staying for the match hyping them up and asking for photos etc?

Was in the lobby before the match and it was strange to see i thought

It's an unnecessary expenditure full stop. It's what, maybe just over an hour from Armagh City to Ballybofey. Americans would call them neighbouring towns.

David I think you're suffering a little there from trying to prove the hypothesis by any means necessary. Career defenders give away fewer fouls than converted defenders, largely because since they were nippers they've been learning week-in, week-out where the fine line lies between physical play and a foul, and also can read referees better from the early exchanges. Armagh had too many players on Sunday who aren't experienced enough at defending to judge that line as well.

Re Rian's disallowed goal. I saw it as charging into the keeper myself. Between that, the general acceptance that smashing a keeper in the small square isn't a done thing, the general confusion and the thrown ball, it's a free 99 times out of 100 with 99 referees out of 100. The exception being when a brave or biased umpire makes a name for himself.

As someone from Armagh City it took a brave bit more than an hour to get from Armagh to Ballybofey. Unfortunately there isn't a single player from the city near the team. If all the players are to meet to travel to match on the morning of game that is probably an extra half hour to travel to pick up point. At the very best that would be 2 and quarter hours driving time alone. That doesn't allow for match day traffic. Hardly ideal preparation.

Just thought I would argue about something else. Fed up with football at the minute . :(
#49
Much talk about Armagh being poor tacklers and blaming Geezer. Now undoubtedly he could help improve the situation but I have been saying for years that the way football is refereed in the county doesn't help. Many of the frees given today wouldn't be given at an under 15 game in Armagh. In the minor match last night I think Armagh got 6 cards to Derry's 0 and a high proportion of the frees given were against Armagh. It seems to be a trend.
#50
Was at match so haven't seen replays. In real time no one around me was surprised that goal didn't count or Forker got a yellow.

This Armagh team have a very soft under belly. It the goal had have counted I have a feeling it would have been a close finish but the disallowed goal followed by a few wides and Donegal goal meant they threw in the towel.

To be honest I wasn't overly impressed with Donegal- which says a lot about Armagh!
#51
Quote from: David McKeown on April 22, 2022, 11:36:11 PM
Were Cathal, Micheal and Martin o Rourke brothers in the Armagh team?

And Aidan.

Think 4 Kernan bros played for Armagh too.
#52
General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
April 22, 2022, 12:00:26 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 21, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 21, 2022, 08:48:24 PM
The Maguire thing has been exaggerated by Social media! The Microscope is on him. Phil Jones had the same treatment.

Players make mistakes every week! You can highlight any player and make a laughing stock of them.

He holds his own at international level, I suppose their system suits him, they are better than most other nations and there is a feel good factor with the England National team at the moment.

And Phil Jones has spoken publicly about the toll all the abuse and ridicule has taken on him and his family.

When it comes down to it, they're people with feelings, just like the rest of us.

You could add Rashford to the queue as well - and it seems to get to him more than most.
#53
Quote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2022, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 21, 2022, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2022, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 21, 2022, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on April 21, 2022, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 21, 2022, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on April 21, 2022, 02:57:45 PM
Oisín McConville let himself down on the Examiner's podcast talking about social media campaigns and other things being orchestrated against Armagh. You could sense the other lads trying to keep the conversation afloat while stopping McConville from unravelling any further.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40855121.html

That's an excellent interview where Oisin simply confirms what many people thought at the time - that the whole incident was deliberately orchestrated by Donegal. He also makes a very good point that the Donegal lads didn't appeal as they felt they were guilty of something.

You're an Armagh supporter I'm guessing then. How can Oisín McConville 'confirm' anything in this instance? He was rightly told by the host of the podcast that all he was offering was speculation, which he then attempted to backtrack from. Awful interview.

The host nor the other guests were not really aware of what took place during the game but Oisin McConville was well informed. He confirmed what most people thought at the time, in that Donegal deliberately orchestrated the row and tried to pull a fast one. I would also add that they were afraid that Murphy might get hauled up and also suspended if they had appealed the original suspensions.

So somehow Donegal knew that if they started a row that Armagh would react but also somehow that they would get away with it while armagh got the punishment. Jesus that's better foresight that mystic meg

They tried to provoke a reaction and got what they wanted initially. Except that it backfired on them when they didn't appeal the original suspensions and all of the Armagh players were then rightly exonerated.
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In a sentence, why was Rian O'Neill, who was seen striking rightly exonerated?

I think this was discussed previously. Rian's actions were not as clear cut as you suggest. He didn't swing a punch. He pushed his hand out which he would suggest was to push away an aggressor. Others think differently.  I think his defence , however,  would have been that fair process was not followed in that he was picked out in the video evidence while others - from both counties- did worse or similar and did not get picked out.

As for Oisin. I didn't hear what he said but he is always likely to defend his nephew.
#54
Quote from: LCohen on April 19, 2022, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on April 19, 2022, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 19, 2022, 08:58:43 PM
All Armagh players have had their suspensions overturned

On what basis?

Don't know. But then we never really got to here what the charges were on what the evidence against them was. Mackin did look guilty to me on the video but he is out injured so suspended or not it makes no difference.

I assume on the grounds of appeal they had to appeal all to be consistent.

It says much for how much Mackin has come on in that I think he will be biggest miss of the three.
#55
I thought Tyrone boys would be happy they got off. More likely McKenna will get cleared now?

Sorry I forgot. They won't appeal.
#56
GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
April 18, 2022, 06:00:59 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 18, 2022, 05:37:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 18, 2022, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 18, 2022, 04:20:41 PM
MMA hyperbole alert. He grabbed someone who was attacking him by the legs to make him fall over. A fairly basic and instinctive thing to do.

Problem is there is no rule that allows self defence- even if you think that is what he was doing

What rule is there against grabbing a players legs?

Deliberate trip...black card  8)
#57
GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
April 18, 2022, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 18, 2022, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 18, 2022, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 18, 2022, 04:20:41 PM
MMA hyperbole alert. He grabbed someone who was attacking him by the legs to make him fall over. A fairly basic and instinctive thing to do.

Problem is there is no rule that allows self defence- even if you think that is what he was doing
I'm not saying there is. But "MMA" - take a redner ffs.

When did I mention MMA?
#58
GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
April 18, 2022, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 18, 2022, 04:20:41 PM
MMA hyperbole alert. He grabbed someone who was attacking him by the legs to make him fall over. A fairly basic and instinctive thing to do.

Problem is there is no rule that allows self defence- even if you think that is what he was doing
#59
GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
April 18, 2022, 01:05:23 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 18, 2022, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 18, 2022, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 18, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 18, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
Thought Cavanagh walked a tight line on his referee comments. Whether he overstepped the mark is a matter of opinion.

For what it matters his defence of McKenna was very forceful. The problem I had with overall discussion was that it suggested it was OK to come in and back up a team mate. Not only is that what starts a melee but if the rules do not allow you to defend yourself they can hardly allow you to defend a team mate.

There also seemed to be an agenda to blame Fermanagh for starting things - and the hand in face did not look good - but the simple fact is that if the Tyrone player had have released the ball when the referee blew his whistle then none of this would have happened.

In the end no matter what people think of the referee players caused the problem and he was probably under pressure to act in line with previous episodes.  We all asked for consistency after all.

I think a lot of this is coloured by the teams. If it was Conor McKenna or another Tyrone player who had their hands in someone's face, there would have been much more discussion of that and probably that he should have the book thrown at him. Similar the other players who were the aggressors on the Fermanagh side. I think this is as much down to Tyrone being a high profile team and Fermanagh not being high profile.

I think your point about releasing the ball could make sense, but the Fermanagh players didn't seem interested in the ball and it seemed to have started with a Fermanagh player pulling at his collar, him then ending on the floor, then seemed to get a dig when on the ground, then he grabbed a leg and then they both set about him.

I can understand your point about players backing each other up, but I think this case where a player is in a vulnerable position on the ground with two players on top of him with one putting his hands in the vicinity of his eyes is a different matter than the usual tiddly winks that goes on.

It could be interpreted as a red, from what the rules say. But, it's about contributing to a melee, surely the two players who went at McKenna should also have seen red. Again, the application doesn't seem to be consistent to my eyes.

Hard to disagree.

I suspect McKenna will be cleared this time though

I thought Fermanagh No 7 kicked it all off, by attempting to /sticking his knee into Conn Kilpatricks back, followed by the hand in the face!   
No one booked for this.

Maybe the referee didn't see it. I only noticed on TV replay
#60
GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
April 18, 2022, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on April 18, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on April 18, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
Thought Cavanagh walked a tight line on his referee comments. Whether he overstepped the mark is a matter of opinion.

For what it matters his defence of McKenna was very forceful. The problem I had with overall discussion was that it suggested it was OK to come in and back up a team mate. Not only is that what starts a melee but if the rules do not allow you to defend yourself they can hardly allow you to defend a team mate.

There also seemed to be an agenda to blame Fermanagh for starting things - and the hand in face did not look good - but the simple fact is that if the Tyrone player had have released the ball when the referee blew his whistle then none of this would have happened.

In the end no matter what people think of the referee players caused the problem and he was probably under pressure to act in line with previous episodes.  We all asked for consistency after all.

I think a lot of this is coloured by the teams. If it was Conor McKenna or another Tyrone player who had their hands in someone's face, there would have been much more discussion of that and probably that he should have the book thrown at him. Similar the other players who were the aggressors on the Fermanagh side. I think this is as much down to Tyrone being a high profile team and Fermanagh not being high profile.

I think your point about releasing the ball could make sense, but the Fermanagh players didn't seem interested in the ball and it seemed to have started with a Fermanagh player pulling at his collar, him then ending on the floor, then seemed to get a dig when on the ground, then he grabbed a leg and then they both set about him.

I can understand your point about players backing each other up, but I think this case where a player is in a vulnerable position on the ground with two players on top of him with one putting his hands in the vicinity of his eyes is a different matter than the usual tiddly winks that goes on.

It could be interpreted as a red, from what the rules say. But, it's about contributing to a melee, surely the two players who went at McKenna should also have seen red. Again, the application doesn't seem to be consistent to my eyes.

Hard to disagree.

I suspect McKenna will be cleared this time though