Joe Brolly

Started by randomtask, July 31, 2011, 05:28:31 PM

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DuffleKing


Is joe seriously claiming that Kerry played man for man all over the pitch and no cover?

The Stallion

Quote from: ck on April 17, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
Jo is highly entertaining and very good at making his point but he really shouldnt be taken seriously. There is a reason he never has coached or managed at senior club or county level and thats becaise no one would be mad enough to give him a job. In saying that I'd love to see him put his money where his mouth is with his all out attack philosophy. Now that would be entertaining!

If you seriously believe Brolly would be unable to get a job managing at club level because nobody would give him one you're absolutely deluded.

longballin

Quote from: ck on April 17, 2017, 11:26:53 AM
Jo is highly entertaining and very good at making his point but he really shouldnt be taken seriously. There is a reason he never has coached or managed at senior club or county level and thats becaise no one would be mad enough to give him a job. In saying that I'd love to see him put his money where his mouth is with his all out attack philosophy. Now that would be entertaining!

Doesnt Davy Fitz getting jobs all over the place. He'd be snapped up certainly buy a senior club

Fuzzman

Joe obviously still has a major problem with the drag down tackle like Maher done last Sunday. He must be the only person who doesn't think most players would do the same if put in the same position.

J70

Quote from: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Joe obviously still has a major problem with the drag down tackle like Maher done last Sunday. He must be the only person who doesn't think most players would do the same if put in the same position.

I think he has a very valid point about how the punishment doesn't fit the crime in that kind of instance though.

A 30m (or 20m) free, directly in front of the posts, would have been a very appropriate punishment. If Maher hadn't pulled the Dublin player down, the space had opened up and he had a clear run to create an relatively easy shooting chance. Similarly, the last man pulling down the attacker clean through on goal resulting in a penalty, even if outside the box, would be a hell of lot fairer to the fouled team than dishing out a black card.

Fuzzman

Yeah but how do you define a clear run on goal?

lenny

Quote from: J70 on April 17, 2017, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 17, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Joe obviously still has a major problem with the drag down tackle like Maher done last Sunday. He must be the only person who doesn't think most players would do the same if put in the same position.

I think he has a very valid point about how the punishment doesn't fit the crime in that kind of instance though.

A 30m (or 20m) free, directly in front of the posts, would have been a very appropriate punishment. If Maher hadn't pulled the Dublin player down, the space had opened up and he had a clear run to create an relatively easy shooting chance. Similarly, the last man pulling down the attacker clean through on goal resulting in a penalty, even if outside the box, would be a hell of lot fairer to the fouled team than dishing out a black card.

Been saying that for ages now. Towards the end of a game in particular the black card is meaningless. The only way to stop cynical fouling is to hit teams on the scoreboard ie award a free kick 20 or 30 m out. Cynical fouls denying a goal scoring opportunity should be penalised with the award of a penalty kick. It's just natural justice.

Zulu

That's easy to say but that's putting the referee in a very awkward situation. Indeed, if the penalty for a cynical foul (what's the definition for a start?) is a 20m free or if in a goal scoring position (define that?) a lot of players could well try to play for that resulting in referees getting hauled over the coals on the SG when replays show the forward dived or grabbed the hand and pulled the defender down.


Syferus

Better to punish the aggressor rather than the team trying to play positively. Football at the highest level is in one hell of a valley at this stage.

The Stallion

I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

omagh_gael

Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Surely you're taking the piss?

Itchy

Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already

The Stallion

Quote from: omagh_gael on April 17, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Surely you're taking the piss?


No. Do you think it's a good idea?  If not, why not?

The Stallion

Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already


No refs are implementing this idea. They're letting persistent offenders away with cheating repeatedly.

BennyHarp

Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 17, 2017, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on April 17, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
I have long thought that every single foul should be punished with a minimum of a yellow card. Usually fouling is not a natural consequence of a fast, physical game, it's a deliberate act of cheating to gain an unfair advantage. As such it should be punished more harshly than it is currently.

People would whine about games finishing with 10 red cards but the truth is if someone knows they will be punished for any transgression they'll cut out the petty stuff like pulling jerseys or mouthing and most other types of foul. This can only improve the game.

It wouldn't prevent the last minute Cavanagh style rugby tackles but there's ways to deal with that too.

Few refs are implementing this idea already


No refs are implementing this idea. They're letting persistent offenders away with cheating repeatedly.

So you're proposing to stop the game and book a player for every foul committed during a game? You should just watch another sport really as competitive team sport clearly isn't something you enjoy. What about Basketball maybe? Or as Joe Brolly suggested, tennis?
That was never a square ball!!