Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Thebigdog]

Anyone on this forum who knows any of the Tyrone players or is in their club I would urge also too get in their ear on a regular basis and tell them your wasting your time under that management and quit!

What an idiot.

No. What a great idea more like.

[Tyrone Dreamer]

Have Tyrone ever lost a match where the opposition had better players or is it always down to the manager?

Someone above said if we'd switched managers last year then Tyrone would have won comfortably. It was a great win on Sunday and Monaghan were well set up but the Monaghan management still have a lot to prove. In recent years they have lost championship games to Down and Longford - games that there is very little chance Tyrone would have lost. They also scraped past Carlow.

When the teams met in the big games in Croke Park in recent years Harte won the tactical battle. I'm guessing the anti Harte brigade will put those wins down to the players and the loss on Sunday down to management. It's hard to be proved wrong when using logic like that. It'll be interesting to see how the two teams get on as the year goes on. It's how both teams finish the year that I will be judging it on. I am concerned though that all the negativity in the county (from premiership style supporters) will seep through to the players.

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Christ alive there are some wankers around. I'm laughing at this revelation about the rosary that some of you have latched onto today as if it's some kind of breaking news story. If you didn't know that was happening it shows what sort of supporters you are. Embarrassing.

[Thebigdog]

Have Tyrone ever lost a match where the opposition had better players or is it always down to the manager?

Someone above said if we'd switched managers last year then Tyrone would have won comfortably. It was a great win on Sunday and Monaghan were well set up but the Monaghan management still have a lot to prove. In recent years they have lost championship games to Down and Longford - games that there is very little chance Tyrone would have lost. They also scraped past Carlow.

When the teams met in the big games in Croke Park in recent years Harte won the tactical battle. I'm guessing the anti Harte brigade will put those wins down to the players and the loss on Sunday down to management. It's hard to be proved wrong when using logic like that. It'll be interesting to see how the two teams get on as the year goes on. It's how both teams finish the year that I will be judging it on. I am concerned though that all the negativity in the county (from premiership style supporters) will seep through to the players.

Do us a bloody favour you Muppet!

[southtyronegael]

Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith

total faith? This is 2018 not 2003 ffs. Blind faith.

[shezam]

Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith

Benny   Gallen   Aghyaran
Tommy   Dolan   Aghyaran
Conall   Devlin    Ardboe
Oisin   Donnelly           Beragh
James   McGurk   Carrickmore
Conor   Shields   Clogher (C)
Brian   Kennedy           Derrylaughan
Tomás   Carney   Derrylaughan
Brannan Molloy           Donaghmore
Lorcan    Quinn   Donaghmore
Tiarnan    Drayne   Donaghmore
Cahir   Goodwin           Dromore
Oran   Sludden           Dromore
Emmett   McNabb   Dromore
Ryan   McCusker          Dromore
Oran   Mallon           Dungannon
Brian   McNulty           Dungannon
Dalaigh Jones          Dungannon
Mark  McKearney   Dungannon
Paul   Donaghy           Edendork
Mattie McGleenan   Eglish (V-C)
Peter Óg   McCartan   Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn            Galbally
Daniel Kerr           Galbally
Patrick McCullagh     Gortin
Matthew Murnaghan  Killyclogher
Conall   Grimes    Loughmacrory
Antoin   Fox          Loughmacrory
James   Devlin    Ardboe
Tom   Loughran           Moy
Damien   McGuigan    Omagh
Jude   Campbell            Pomeroy
Ruairí   Gormley    Strabane
Peadar   Mullin    Tattyreagh
Ryan   Gray                   Trillick
James   Garrity   Trillick

[southtyronegael]

Tyrone dreamer, I'd say almost every player on the Tyrone panel has won all Irelands at some level. Monaghan have none. So surely all things being equal and both had managers of equal ability then tyrones higher standard of player should win through every time against monaghan?

[tyroneman]

There is surely a mid-point between blind loyalty to Harte vs the pitchfork and torches brigade.

Like Arsene Wenger Harte has traded on an introduction of innovative tactics in his early days and a period of excellent results (combined with an existing squad of exceptional players).

Results have tailed off since then and an increasing degree of discontent has set in. The addition of a few bits of silverware (of varying worth)  has stemmed the tide a little, however any supporters I know have been pretty downbeat about Tyrone's chances of actually winning an AI since 2010 onwards.

A repeated failure to beat the big teams when it counts (and often when it doesn't) has not helped and the thrashing last year was catastrophic.

Now whether that's down to overall player quality, players on the day not performing, luck or the system..that's up for debate.

In any other walk of life however, Harte would be set targets. Achieve A in year 1, B in year 2, C in year 3 etc.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be held to account and yet that's how he should be judged - improvement year on year.

Ulster is a nice to have but it is increasingly irrelevent unless you have no ambitions beyond it.

For Tyrone progression should be QF, then SF, then Final, then AI Win. If he doesn't achieve progress each year (or havea solid reaosn for not doing so) then time for someone else to get involved

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Tyrone dreamer, I'd say almost every player on the Tyrone panel has won all Irelands at some level. Monaghan have none. So surely all things being equal and both had managers of equal ability then tyrones higher standard of player should win through every time against monaghan?

That old equation;  minor medals (and/or) u21 medals = guaranteed success at senior level.

[GaaFanatic123]

Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith

Benny   Gallen   Aghyaran
Tommy   Dolan   Aghyaran
Conall   Devlin    Ardboe
Oisin   Donnelly           Beragh
James   McGurk   Carrickmore
Conor   Shields   Clogher (C)
Brian   Kennedy           Derrylaughan
Tomás   Carney   Derrylaughan
Brannan Molloy           Donaghmore
Lorcan    Quinn   Donaghmore
Tiarnan    Drayne   Donaghmore
Cahir   Goodwin           Dromore
Oran   Sludden           Dromore
Emmett   McNabb   Dromore
Ryan   McCusker          Dromore
Oran   Mallon           Dungannon
Brian   McNulty           Dungannon
Dalaigh Jones          Dungannon
Mark  McKearney   Dungannon
Paul   Donaghy           Edendork
Mattie McGleenan   Eglish (V-C)
Peter Óg   McCartan   Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn            Galbally
Daniel Kerr           Galbally
Patrick McCullagh     Gortin
Matthew Murnaghan  Killyclogher
Conall   Grimes    Loughmacrory
Antoin   Fox          Loughmacrory
James   Devlin    Ardboe
Tom   Loughran           Moy
Damien   McGuigan    Omagh
Jude   Campbell            Pomeroy
Ruairí   Gormley    Strabane
Peadar   Mullin    Tattyreagh
Ryan   Gray                   Trillick
James   Garrity   Trillick

Benny Gallen worth the admission fee alone!!!

[Tyrone Gaa]

Can someone put up a list of the u20 players. # total faith

Benny   Gallen   Aghyaran
Tommy   Dolan   Aghyaran
Conall   Devlin    Ardboe
Oisin   Donnelly           Beragh
James   McGurk   Carrickmore
Conor   Shields   Clogher (C)
Brian   Kennedy           Derrylaughan
Tomás   Carney   Derrylaughan
Brannan Molloy           Donaghmore
Lorcan    Quinn   Donaghmore
Tiarnan    Drayne   Donaghmore
Cahir   Goodwin           Dromore
Oran   Sludden           Dromore
Emmett   McNabb   Dromore
Ryan   McCusker          Dromore
Oran   Mallon           Dungannon
Brian   McNulty           Dungannon
Dalaigh Jones          Dungannon
Mark  McKearney   Dungannon
Paul   Donaghy           Edendork
Mattie McGleenan   Eglish (V-C)
Peter Óg   McCartan   Errigal Ciaran
Conor Quinn            Galbally
Daniel Kerr           Galbally
Patrick McCullagh     Gortin
Matthew Murnaghan  Killyclogher
Conall   Grimes    Loughmacrory
Antoin   Fox          Loughmacrory
James   Devlin    Ardboe
Tom   Loughran           Moy
Damien   McGuigan    Omagh
Jude   Campbell            Pomeroy
Ruairí   Gormley    Strabane
Peadar   Mullin    Tattyreagh
Ryan   Gray                   Trillick
James   Garrity   Trillick

Benny Gallen worth the admission fee alone!!!

Do you think Tyrone will allow him to go wondering the way his club does?  I have enjoyed watching him in the past.  He usually gets nailed by somebody thou.  Scored a cracking point in the championship last year in Omagh

[Quarterback]

Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

[WT4E]

There is surely a mid-point between blind loyalty to Harte vs the pitchfork and torches brigade.

Like Arsene Wenger Harte has traded on an introduction of innovative tactics in his early days and a period of excellent results (combined with an existing squad of exceptional players).

Results have tailed off since then and an increasing degree of discontent has set in. The addition of a few bits of silverware (of varying worth)  has stemmed the tide a little, however any supporters I know have been pretty downbeat about Tyrone's chances of actually winning an AI since 2010 onwards.

A repeated failure to beat the big teams when it counts (and often when it doesn't) has not helped and the thrashing last year was catastrophic.

Now whether that's down to overall player quality, players on the day not performing, luck or the system..that's up for debate.

In any other walk of life however, Harte would be set targets. Achieve A in year 1, B in year 2, C in year 3 etc.

Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be held to account and yet that's how he should be judged - improvement year on year.

Ulster is a nice to have but it is increasingly irrelevent unless you have no ambitions beyond it.

For Tyrone progression should be QF, then SF, then Final, then AI Win. If he doesn't achieve progress each year (or havea solid reaosn for not doing so) then time for someone else to get involved

Would setting up Tyrone TV alah Arsenal TV be an idea. Theres bound be some nutters out there like STG and bigdog who would keep us entertained - "Harte out - you get me bluudd!"

[youhavenofans]

Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

You would have Meyler ahead of Tiernan McCann? I will have what you are smoking..

[southtyronegael]

Lets discuss what YOU would do if you were manager and what players YOUD play with the system you'd implement!

Here is my Team

Alternative Tyrone Team/Tactics

1. Niall Morgan - No Free Kick Duties - Still the best keeper in Tyrone
2. Mick Mc Kernan - The New Ricey
3. HP Mc Geary - Big Strong - Plays 3 for his club - Natural defender
4. Padraig Hampsey - Strong - Mean and a natural defender
5. Toss Up Between P Harte and Mc Cann - Probably Peter Harte given he is a better defender
6. Jonathan Munroe - Strong - Huge Miss to this team - Nasty - Would have developed into another gormley
7. Meyler - Exceptional Engine Has to start - needs to become a nasty bast**d
8. Colm Cavanagh - When Fit a tremendous footballer - play him as a midfielder not a sweeper - release him to get scores
9. Richard Donnelly - potential to get us a few scores and a big engine
10. Niall Sludden - Can Score and work - hard to mark
11. Mark Bradley - Best Forward in Tyrone - Fantastic Movement - Get this man on the ball in our half
12. Frank Burns - Can Kick a score - need men in the half forward line that can score and win their own ball, provide a presence - scores a lot for Pomeroy
13. Conor Mc Aliskey - will only get stronger following knee surgery
14. Mattie Donnelly - we are looking scores and presence in the full forward line - this man would give us another dimension - also wouldn't solo as much and hold play up
15. Lee Brennan - Free Kicks, would get more room if the focus was on Donnelly and Mc Alis

You would have Meyler ahead of Tiernan McCann? I will have what you are smoking..

meyler looked a fair bit ahead on t mc cann on Sunday.