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I said Clancy has something special and in my opinion will achieve success wherever he goes.  So far your man Creedon has been absolutely dire, you keep going on about players the standard of division 3 football is brutal.  We have the players to compete at this level but our manager is poor where have got this unshakeable belief that this guy is the man.   Creedon has lost to Tipperary, Louth & Sligo these are not top rank teams we do not have to have great teams to beat these.    If anybody wants to have a bet with me on Graiguecullen who have not won championship in 50 years winning this year.  I will take 14/1 same price as Paddy Powers I willing to put my money where my mouth is on Clancy.  Not a great coach but has something else. 

BallyroanAbbey Creedon is crap and on Sunday we will lose against Antrim and I predict a relegation this year and an early exit in the championship.  Creedon of course will hang for time talking about development and improving performances.  But there is no better indicator of performance that points won.  I actually think Clancy did a massive job in Ballyroan completely underrated in our club I know he turned down more money in Ballyroan to go to Graigue.

At this stage I would go for a complete miracle shot, in an ideal world Clancy and McNulty but they are not coming out of their club jobs.   If money was not an object Jim McGuinness if we go outside we need to think big.   If cheap and doable, I like Higgins but I would think a bit of experience longside like Jason Ryan would not be an issue.  But if gun to my head Clancy and McNulty.   I really think Clancy has something special and we would be stupid not to give him the job at some point.

this is what i said in September 2016

How can saying this appointment is a waste of time be stupid, at worst it's a different opinion.  Peter Creedon is  a low profile appointment who will at best keep us in Division 3 at worst relegate us to Division 4.   The County Board by going this way is continually showing short-term behavior when have they stopped and asked what is going wrong with Laois Football ? They have continually kept their heads down and avoided criticism they are volunteers and maybe that is not in their remit.  But under their stewardship Laois Football is now at it's lowest point in over 30 years.  So if you think Peter Creedon is going to sort all this by being a good manager well good for him.  I just think Laois Football is in bigger trouble than just needing a new manager.  I think at this stage we are very much like Offaly which is quite amazing considering where we were over 4 years ago.  It wont be too long before people on here are dancing over a promotion to Division 3 from Division 4.   Laois need to have a strategic look at what they are doing not appointing a manager who at best is low profile to fire fight what is now a disaster.

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Read above Tony, rather one day as lion Tony than a life time as a lamb.  P.S I still think you are Peter O Neill

At this stage I would go for a complete miracle shot, in an ideal world Clancy and McNulty but they are not coming out of their club jobs.   If money was not an object Jim McGuinness if we go outside we need to think big.   If cheap and doable, I like Higgins but I would think a bit of experience longside like Jason Ryan would not be an issue.  But if gun to my head Clancy and McNulty.   I really think Clancy has something special and we would be stupid not to give him the job at some point.

Joe Higgins or Malachy McNulty should have got it last year,  we have a whole bunch of young managers what message are we sending out when we hire what are turning out to be poor journey men.   Peter Creedon won nothing with Tipperary alot of people giving him credit for winning Tipperary Minors and for Liam Kearns run last year.  Well he was not the manager we ran Justin McNulty for achieving more.  Creedon has been a disaster thus far.  I know your loyal Tony but at what point are you going to tell us this is a disaster that is costing money that we don't have.   

If we wanted Creedon to develop our standards he is clearly in the wrong job as this is not the job of the county manager he is there to win matches  you have 6-10 matches max to show something otherwise there is an exit door as we are all wasting our time.  Every Tom Dick& Harry talks about developing because it buys them time.  Why is Sam Allerdyce continually hired in English Soccer because he gets results no one stays in a job to develop things this is clearly not the job of a manager as you are in the firing line too much to have a long term strategy. 

Can those defending the set up at the moment look at who is beating us, these teams 5 years ago were seen as cannon fodder now people are putting us in the same boat.  We are in a relegation spot in division 3 there is an assumption we are getting out of it.  I don't think so,   I think Antrim will beat us and this demoralizing show will continue.   Sorry if I can not see the upside of this, sorry for calling for the managers head after 4 games but as each week passes it gets  worse.   Personally I have no issue with Gary Kavanagh getting the U21 job if he learns from it.   He does play very open football (not sure that works) however he is young and has time to learn.  Creedon on the other hand is been paid do a job he is falling short in.  I would not be too annoyed if these fellas were on some sort of incentivized system where you get more for better results.  For years Laois Football has appointed outside managers giving very little incentive for a Laois candidate,   It seems if your from Laois it's a mark against you.   I think Gary did well with Ballylinan last year, prob needed abit more experience  with U21, unfortunately Gerry has never been shy in pushing Gary forward but possibly this is too early. Hopefully Gary stays with it and learns.

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Sean Moore has been flagged for quite a while,  comparison's to Beano it's up to Moore what he does with it.   

So I am usually first to point out the wrongs,   but a great win for Laois tonight.  Under the cosh and they sent a (very poor) Louth team packing but you can only beat whats in front of you.  Hopefully they improve from this and have a good run in Leinster.

I am sorry if I come across overly pessimistic as I do realize most of you on here do have the best interests of Laois at heart and while I do not agree with you,  I hope your right and I am wrong.

Right lads keep telling yourselves this gets better I will be back after the Antrim game, but for the guts of 5 years the same people on here or previous forum having been telling us more time.  This is a shambles the manager is no better than the previous two, your deluding yourselves that this needs time. 

High Fielder the problem here is if Creedon was in Division 1 or even Division 2 your point would be fair enough but the truth is we are facing relegation to Div 4.  We may not have top class inter county players but the teams we are playing against are not world beaters.

Were getting our act together, we made more mistakes than most but I think we are starting to see improvements.  On GDA's, Croke Park don't just grant you want. Say if Laois want 2-3 more GDA's the hoops that they have to through could take up to a year and most likely they will be turned down.  You don't get them because you ask, there is a lot of politics in the granting of them.

We already pay 1/2 the cost of the GDA to go into Schools.   I am pretty sure as our financial situation improves we will be paying for more work with Coaches and GDA's.   If your waiting for Croke Park and Provincial Council to sort our problems out you will be waiting along time.

Creedon if he was such a organized, well researched guy would never have taken the Laois Job.  So that debunks your theory he is getting a lot of credit for Tipperary's run last year maybe true but there were plenty of other reasons and people.  He did not attend most if any Laois Club Championship games.  He got a lot of credit for being organized at the start, maybe this is a sad reflection on what went before.  I don't need to be Trump, we were relegated to Div 3 first time in 30 years( not Creedons fault) were heading to Div 4 (Creedons Fault).  He signed up to the job the buck stops with him.   He is been paid to do a job(poorly)  that means he is judged by higher standards.  The County Board & the Clubs stand responsible for the poor structures within Football (probably hurling).   

I realise Croke Park pays for the GDA's but nothing stopping the County Board raising additional funding themselves and paying more GDA's out of their own pocket.  Problem here is that the Croke Park nearly breeds a dependency on them for funding.  Counties should be well able to raise cash themselves.

Unfortunately the rot has already set in,  TOF was a joke manager, Lillis was dreadful & Creedon unfortunately was a gamble who has not worked out.  The CB and most of Laois Football fail to realise that we are going to have to think outside the box to start to rebuild.  Poor performance on the pitch = less support and money.  This means we are unable to put more development coaches out into our big towns, Players commit for a few months then just give up.  Do people honestly think we're going to get better without doing something radical.  Yes the answer is we should get rid of our manager  as this guy is clearly a waste of our time and money.  We cannot afford to spend 5 years rebuilding we need green shoots of recovery fast.  We are into our fifth year of regression so I think we have wasted enough time.

Mad stuff here!

So after 4 league games Creedon has already not worked out and a waste of time and money?? 4 games!

Radical thinking, think outside the box....or maybe just do what has got us any bit of success we've had over the last 20 years. Start producing underage quality again!

No worse than whats gone on for the last 5 years, for 5 years people have been saying things are going to turn around they have not, more like a whole  lot worse.  You can't produce underage quality on the money given to County Boards by Leinster Council & Croke Park.   The O Moore Park development while positive is no advantage every county in Ireland got one.  We need more games development officers, however that's not going to happen without money.  Senior Teams, U21 teams & minor teams have been dreadful , end result raising money is not happening.  We need results on the field to get the vibe going thats why Creedon is doing untold damage.  This is not entirely of his making but unfortunately he can not lift us from it.   Cut the cord sooner rather than later, we are only wasting time.  Portarlington, Portlaoise, Graigue & Mountmellick are providing poor returns on population.  We need to do something radical to get back into these towns.