Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
Round 1 Fixtures
Saturday 28th
Mayo v Galway - live on RTE
Monaghan v Armagh - on BBC???
Sunday 29th
Donegal v Kerry - Live on TG4
Roscommon v Tyrone - Deferred coverage on TG4 or live on tg4.ie
It's going to feel weird without Dublin
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2023, 08:38:08 PM
It's going to feel weird without Dublin
It's going to be great without Dublin
Tyrone to win it.
Monaghan & Roscommon for the drop.
Surely Kerry will give Clifford the majority if not all of the league off?
Quote from: square_ball on January 16, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
Tyrone to win it.
Monaghan & Roscommon for the drop.
Surely Kerry will give Clifford the majority if not all of the league off?
Donegal for the chop
Quote from: square_ball on January 16, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
Tyrone to win it.
Monaghan & Roscommon for the drop.
Surely Kerry will give Clifford the majority if not all of the league off?
Would be unusual for Jack O'Connor to do that.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 09:21:52 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 16, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
Tyrone to win it.
Monaghan & Roscommon for the drop.
Surely Kerry will give Clifford the majority if not all of the league off?
Would be unusual for Jack O'Connor to do that.
He'll get a good rest during Munster championship.
Galway look a bit short there odds wise, have a good few issues to sort out in terms of GK, kickouts, replacing Molloy and Silke, and getting some squad depth, although it feels those first two issues are a problem every year. Power isn't the answer in goals anyway.
Few players such as Shane Walsh and Sean Kelly need a break and I hope they get it, they are going non stop since this time last year. I would fear that Sigerson commitments for the Moycullen players and playing Division One intensity games is a recipe for disaster.
Staying up in div one and getting some semblance of progress on those problems initially mentioned would be a good league for Galway.
Good to have Cooke back in situ but really need the likes of Billy Mannion or Johnny McGrath to stick the hand up and stake a claim as a viable option for the championship, lack of squad depth (or lads that PJ trusts to come in) ultimately killed Galway last year.
Not sure if Kerry will be going all out to the same extent as last year in the league. I think McStay will have Mayo hitting the ground running for the league, they might be worth a punt.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:59:49 PM
Galway look a bit short there odds wise, have a good few issues to sort out in terms of GK, kickouts, replacing Molloy and Silke, and getting some squad depth, although it feels those first two issues are a problem every year. Power isn't the answer in goals anyway.
Few players such as Shane Walsh and Sean Kelly need a break and I hope they get it, they are going non stop since this time last year. I would fear that Sigerson commitments for the Moycullen players and playing Division One intensity games is a recipe for disaster.
Staying up in div one and getting some semblance of progress on those problems initially mentioned would be a good league for Galway.
Good to have Cooke back in situ but really need the likes of Billy Mannion or Johnny McGrath to stick the hand up and stake a claim as a viable option for the championship, lack of squad depth (or lads that PJ trusts to come in) ultimately killed Galway last year.
Not sure if Kerry will be going all out to the same extent as last year in the league. I think McStay will have Mayo hitting the ground running for the league, they might be worth a punt.
Can see us going well in the league, little or no sigerson commitments and obviously club footballers have been finished for a brave while. As long as we stay up and are competitive in every game (and obviously beat Tyrone, who will be out of the blocks flying this year imo) I'm not too worried about the league tbh, all about Ulster
. Think we have enough to stay up and are better than Donegal, Monaghan and Roscommon and on similar level to the others bar Kerry who are still ahead of the rest (although would be looking to beat them if the Cliffords arent playing tbh)
Monaghan scraped home last year and Roscommon tend to be up and down a bit too so they could drop.
It's going to be interesting to see Donegal work around the loss of Murphy too.
A fair few teams are in flux with stalwarts leaving but the betting for the top and bottom 3 looks right.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 16, 2023, 11:20:24 PM
Monaghan scraped home last year and Roscommon tend to be up and down a bit too so they could drop.
It's going to be interesting to see Donegal work around the loss of Murphy too.
A fair few teams are in flux with stalwarts leaving but the betting for the top and bottom 3 looks right.
Monaghan 'scraped home' by defeating/condemning Dublin and ended up with 6 points?? that was luxury compared to one or two other years.
This time Monaghan have 4 home games, home games matter.
I can't remember the last time when we lost to Tyrone/Donegal at home in the league ;D
Wild how a couple of penalties has Galway rated so much higher than us. Probably right though, a lot of young lads being blooded this year and another years mileage in the legs of older lads. Be glad to avoid relegation this year.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:59:49 PM
Galway look a bit short there odds wise, have a good few issues to sort out in terms of GK, kickouts, replacing Molloy and Silke, and getting some squad depth, although it feels those first two issues are a problem every year. Power isn't the answer in goals anyway.
Few players such as Shane Walsh and Sean Kelly need a break and I hope they get it, they are going non stop since this time last year. I would fear that Sigerson commitments for the Moycullen players and playing Division One intensity games is a recipe for disaster.
Staying up in div one and getting some semblance of progress on those problems initially mentioned would be a good league for Galway.
Good to have Cooke back in situ but really need the likes of Billy Mannion or Johnny McGrath to stick the hand up and stake a claim as a viable option for the championship, lack of squad depth (or lads that PJ trusts to come in) ultimately killed Galway last year.
Not sure if Kerry will be going all out to the same extent as last year in the league. I think McStay will have Mayo hitting the ground running for the league, they might be worth a punt.
I agree re Kerry. Last year they had to beat Dublin in the championship with a team that never won anything and they used the league to reach terminal velocity. Galway hurlers did something similar in 2017. This year is different.
This year Monaghan, Donegal, Roscommon and Mayo have new managers. I doubt that everything will be clear after 3 matches.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 07:42:01 AM
Wild how a couple of penalties has Galway rated so much higher than us. Probably right though, a lot of young lads being blooded this year and another years mileage in the legs of older lads. Be glad to avoid relegation this year.
Plus ye have got.to come to Omagh
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 07:42:01 AM
Wild how a couple of penalties has Galway rated so much higher than us. Probably right though, a lot of young lads being blooded this year and another years mileage in the legs of older lads. Be glad to avoid relegation this year.
That's one way of looking at it. You could also argue that they were a good bit better than Armagh over the 70 minutes and should really have won pretty comfortably. Their failure to defend high balls late on certainly raised questions about them but they still scraped through on the day. The fact that they subsequently beat Derry pretty comfortably and were very much in the game late on in the final suggested they had answered those questions. Natural enough that the beaten finalists would be rated higher than the beaten quarter finalists really.
Will be a very interesting league. Big questions for me: Can Galway and Armagh build on those breakthrough seasons. Can Tyrone bounce back from such a poor year. Are these Donegal and Monaghan sides in terminal decline. Will McStay push Mayo back up a level or two. Don't have the answers but looking forward to the months ahead.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 17, 2023, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 07:42:01 AM
Wild how a couple of penalties has Galway rated so much higher than us. Probably right though, a lot of young lads being blooded this year and another years mileage in the legs of older lads. Be glad to avoid relegation this year.
That's one way of looking at it. You could also argue that they were a good bit better than Armagh over the 70 minutes and should really have won pretty comfortably. Their failure to defend high balls late on certainly raised questions about them but they still scraped through on the day. The fact that they subsequently beat Derry pretty comfortably and were very much in the game late on in the final suggested they had answered those questions. Natural enough that the beaten finalists would be rated higher than the beaten quarter finalists really.
Will be a very interesting league. Big questions for me: Can Galway and Armagh build on those breakthrough seasons. Can Tyrone bounce back from such a poor year. Are these Donegal and Monaghan sides in terminal decline. Will McStay push Mayo back up a level or two. Don't have the answers but looking forward to the months ahead.
I'm only winding. Looking forward to seeing how we're looking after promising signs last year can we build on it. I can see Tyrone bouncing back and having a good league. Mayo will be flying for the league but I'm not sure they can replace Keegan and Mullin effectively, 2 class players that will be missed. Other lads another year older as well. Think one of Monaghan and Donegal will go down with the Rossies. Ourselves and Galway will be interesting to put it mildly, Armagh will be rocking that day.
Seems our lads may as well concede all 7 games now and concentrate on the AI series.
New manager who will have to try out a load of new lads while testing older lads for appetite etc it's no wonder we're hot favourites for the drop.
We'll see how it goes but a few early points on the table will be vital.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2023, 10:04:33 AM
Seems our lads may as well concede all 7 games now and concentrate on the AI series.
New manager who will have to try out a load of new lads while testing older lads for appetite etc it's no wonder we're hot favourites for the drop.
We'll see how it goes but a few early points on the table will be vital.
Looking forward to playing you boys, always a good exciting game!
Quote from: Main Street on January 17, 2023, 01:04:35 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 16, 2023, 11:20:24 PM
Monaghan scraped home last year and Roscommon tend to be up and down a bit too so they could drop.
It's going to be interesting to see Donegal work around the loss of Murphy too.
A fair few teams are in flux with stalwarts leaving but the betting for the top and bottom 3 looks right.
Monaghan 'scraped home' by defeating/condemning Dublin and ended up with 6 points?? that was luxury compared to one or two other years.
You literally survived with the last kick of the last game.
Odds before the first match are very ropey because there is no data.
Here are the odds for the first 3 rounds in 2020 for division 1 . Monaghan were unrated, like now
Odds NFL Division 1 by week
Dublin 13/8 1/1 5/4
Kerry 3/1 11/4 7/2
Galway 8/1 12/1 11/2
Tyrone 9/1 20/1 20/1
Mayo 10/1 28/1 9/1
Donegal 10/1 6/1 16/1
Monaghan 40/1 25/1 14/1
Meath 150/1 500/1 500/1
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
They're a tough tough team to beat. Dogged as f**k
Galway need a good league after the disaster of 2021.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-o-se-galway-s-defeat-at-the-death-to-monaghan-is-shocking-and-unforgivable-1.4594401
Monaghan have gone into the last game of the league needing a result three or four times and they've always managed to find it. Why are they able to do it and teams like Galway aren't?
I know you can say the league is the league or whatever but Galway are one of the teams that will only develop properly in Division One. The way they shot themselves in the foot in the closing minutes of that game gave me the impression they didn't really understand what was at stake. They didn't protect the ball, they didn't protect their goal, they didn't protect their lead. It must be killing Joyce that they gave up a Division One spot so cheaply. In the first five games of the 2020 league they beat Monaghan, only lost to Kerry in injury time, walloped Tyrone and beat both Donegal and Meath on their home patches. They were top of Division One, they had the most goals of anyone in the country. They were flying.
Look at what they've offered since. Hammered by Mayo on their first day back in October. Beaten by Dublin the following week. Lost by a point to Mayo in the Connacht final. On to this year's league and they've been trounced by Kerry, lost to the Dubs, beaten Roscommon and now caught at the death by Monaghan. They've gone from a run of four wins from five games to one where they have just one win from their last seven.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2023, 10:04:33 AM
Seems our lads may as well concede all 7 games now and concentrate on the AI series.
New manager who will have to try out a load of new lads while testing older lads for appetite etc it's no wonder we're hot favourites for the drop.
We'll see how it goes but a few early points on the table will be vital.
The odds don't mean anything at this stage. The division is very uncertain with the Dubs thios and so much managerial churn.
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.
League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Quote from: yellowcard on January 17, 2023, 12:46:58 PM
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.
League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Not sure how full on Kerry will be for the league this year. Can see the Clifford boys getting a break for a bit, you'd like to think.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 17, 2023, 12:46:58 PM
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.
League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Not sure how full on Kerry will be for the league this year. Can see the Clifford boys getting a break for a bit, you'd like to think.
That would make sense to give them a month or so off and then come back to try and defend their AI title. I still think they could have enough without those 2 lads to beat the rest, they have a serious strength in depth and competition for places will drive them.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 17, 2023, 12:52:32 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 17, 2023, 12:46:58 PM
Seems strange to see a division one with no Dublin.
League winners: Kerry
Relegated: Monaghan and Roscommon
Not sure how full on Kerry will be for the league this year. Can see the Clifford boys getting a break for a bit, you'd like to think.
That would make sense to give them a month or so off and then come back to try and defend their AI title. I still think they could have enough without those 2 lads to beat the rest, they have a serious strength in depth and competition for places will drive them.
David probably hasnt had a break in well over a year given he had sigerson last year as well. We would definitely feel more confident going down the road not having to worry about those 2 anyway lol
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 11:57:00 AM
Odds before the first match are very ropey because there is no data.
Last year Dublin were regarded as likely to win Div 1 and Armagh to get relegated, but the first game caused at least some reassessment.
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:44:13 PM
Galway need a good league after the disaster of 2021.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-o-se-galway-s-defeat-at-the-death-to-monaghan-is-shocking-and-unforgivable-1.4594401
Monaghan have gone into the last game of the league needing a result three or four times and they've always managed to find it. Why are they able to do it and teams like Galway aren't?
I know you can say the league is the league or whatever but Galway are one of the teams that will only develop properly in Division One. The way they shot themselves in the foot in the closing minutes of that game gave me the impression they didn't really understand what was at stake. They didn't protect the ball, they didn't protect their goal, they didn't protect their lead. It must be killing Joyce that they gave up a Division One spot so cheaply. In the first five games of the 2020 league they beat Monaghan, only lost to Kerry in injury time, walloped Tyrone and beat both Donegal and Meath on their home patches. They were top of Division One, they had the most goals of anyone in the country. They were flying.
Look at what they've offered since. Hammered by Mayo on their first day back in October. Beaten by Dublin the following week. Lost by a point to Mayo in the Connacht final. On to this year's league and they've been trounced by Kerry, lost to the Dubs, beaten Roscommon and now caught at the death by Monaghan. They've gone from a run of four wins from five games to one where they have just one win from their last seven.
This reads absolutely terribly 12 months later. Hindsight and all but D2 last year gave Galway the opportunity to gain a few much needed wins and confidence after two shortened championships where one loss had them out. It didn't hinder Mayo whatsoever the year before and id hazard a guess it wont hinder the dubs in the slightest this year.
Getting to D1 is important for counties trying to establish themselves such as Cork and to a lesser extent Derry this year. For those that have had 2 or 3 years in the division already, a drop back to two for a year doesn't matter much at all. If anything, it'll be easier going forward to get good seeding for the championship by promotion through div 2 than it will be by avoiding relegation in D1. **If you don't win your provincial**, D1 survivors and those promoted from D2 will be No.3 seeds most likely. Relegated teams from D1 will likely be No.4 seeds. Provincial finalists will be 1 & 2
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 16, 2023, 09:59:49 PM
Galway look a bit short there odds wise, have a good few issues to sort out in terms of GK, kickouts, replacing Molloy and Silke, and getting some squad depth, although it feels those first two issues are a problem every year. Power isn't the answer in goals anyway.
Few players such as Shane Walsh and Sean Kelly need a break and I hope they get it, they are going non stop since this time last year. I would fear that Sigerson commitments for the Moycullen players and playing Division One intensity games is a recipe for disaster.
Staying up in div one and getting some semblance of progress on those problems initially mentioned would be a good league for Galway.
Good to have Cooke back in situ but really need the likes of Billy Mannion or Johnny McGrath to stick the hand up and stake a claim as a viable option for the championship, lack of squad depth (or lads that PJ trusts to come in) ultimately killed Galway last year.
Not sure if Kerry will be going all out to the same extent as last year in the league. I think McStay will have Mayo hitting the ground running for the league, they might be worth a punt.
Agree with all of this, defence a huge worry. Need a couple of defenders to step up and with key players desperately in need of a break and with Sigerson commitments I think Galway are up against in the first few weeks. Mayo is probably the worst possible opening fixture, there'll be no team as fit as Mayo this time of year and don't appear to have too many of their starters playing Sigerson.
Can't afford any more injuries to defenders given Silke & Molloy's absences, Galway had a very good 2022 but was the first year that all the big talents had been fit; Comer, McDaid & Daly barely kicked a ball in the previous 2 years, it was the first year Comer had been properly fit since 2018.
This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
Quote from: Manning18 on January 17, 2023, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:44:13 PM
Galway need a good league after the disaster of 2021.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-o-se-galway-s-defeat-at-the-death-to-monaghan-is-shocking-and-unforgivable-1.4594401
Monaghan have gone into the last game of the league needing a result three or four times and they've always managed to find it. Why are they able to do it and teams like Galway aren't?
I know you can say the league is the league or whatever but Galway are one of the teams that will only develop properly in Division One. The way they shot themselves in the foot in the closing minutes of that game gave me the impression they didn't really understand what was at stake. They didn't protect the ball, they didn't protect their goal, they didn't protect their lead. It must be killing Joyce that they gave up a Division One spot so cheaply. In the first five games of the 2020 league they beat Monaghan, only lost to Kerry in injury time, walloped Tyrone and beat both Donegal and Meath on their home patches. They were top of Division One, they had the most goals of anyone in the country. They were flying.
Look at what they've offered since. Hammered by Mayo on their first day back in October. Beaten by Dublin the following week. Lost by a point to Mayo in the Connacht final. On to this year's league and they've been trounced by Kerry, lost to the Dubs, beaten Roscommon and now caught at the death by Monaghan. They've gone from a run of four wins from five games to one where they have just one win from their last seven.
This reads absolutely terribly 12 months later. Hindsight and all but D2 last year gave Galway the opportunity to gain a few much needed wins and confidence after two shortened championships where one loss had them out. It didn't hinder Mayo whatsoever the year before and id hazard a guess it wont hinder the dubs in the slightest this year.
Getting to D1 is important for counties trying to establish themselves such as Cork and to a lesser extent Derry this year. For those that have had 2 or 3 years in the division already, a drop back to two for a year doesn't matter much at all. If anything, it'll be easier going forward to get good seeding for the championship by promotion through div 2 than it will be by avoiding relegation in D1. **If you don't win your provincial**, D1 survivors and those promoted from D2 will be No.3 seeds most likely. Relegated teams from D1 will likely be No.4 seeds. Provincial finalists will be 1 & 2
I think you need to be in D1 if you want to win the all-Ireland.
Quote from: joemamas on January 17, 2023, 03:21:56 PM
This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
is it not the 8 provincial finalists, Westmeath as TC winners and then the next 7 teams by league ranking outside of those 9? Division 1 teams are safe enough.
From a personal perspective on Donegal, I'm less concerned about results than I am about a new management team getting a post-Murphy squad playing a decent and brave brand of football. We went down to Killarney last year and literally sat back and didn't even attempt to bring the game to Kerry (without Clifford initially) and still got hammered in the end. It was utterly demoralizing and just the beginning of a horrible season, brief glimmers of hope against Armagh (I'm including the first 20 minutes of the qualifier game too) aside.
I reckon we'll end up with three or four points and get relegated, but as long as progress is made towards getting a settled team that's willing to have a go, I'll be happy enough with that. I can't see us making a mark on the Championship this year no matter what, as we have too many weaknesses in defense (centre back, full back) and need a complete rethink going forward (can't just run the ball through the hands ALL the time). Transition year for us. It remains to be seen what or when the end point will be. Just hope Paddy Carr is given time and patience and the social media mob behaves.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: joemamas on January 17, 2023, 03:21:56 PM
This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
is it not the 8 provincial finalists, Westmeath as TC winners and then the next 7 teams by league ranking outside of those 9? Division 1 teams are safe enough.
Yes all of this year's Div 1 teams will be playing the last 16 of the championship.
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Quote from: APM on January 17, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Bound to have a few decent young lads coming through soon. Tough opener for us for sure.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: APM on January 17, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Bound to have a few decent young lads coming through soon. Tough opener for us for sure.
Monaghan won the Ulster minor championship 2018, 19 and finalists in 2020 so yes they should have plenty of good young footballers coming through.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: APM on January 17, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Bound to have a few decent young lads coming through soon. Tough opener for us for sure.
Monaghan won the Ulster minor championship 2018, 19 and finalists in 2020 so yes they should have plenty of good young footballers coming through.
Such a pity that Brendan Óg Ó Dufaigh didn't make it.
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: APM on January 17, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Bound to have a few decent young lads coming through soon. Tough opener for us for sure.
Monaghan won the Ulster minor championship 2018, 19 and finalists in 2020 so yes they should have plenty of good young footballers coming through.
Such a pity that Brendan Óg Ó Dufaigh didn't make it.
Tragic. Such a talented footballer that i believe would have become established senior.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: APM on January 17, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Bound to have a few decent young lads coming through soon. Tough opener for us for sure.
Monaghan won the Ulster minor championship 2018, 19 and finalists in 2020 so yes they should have plenty of good young footballers coming through.
Such a pity that Brendan Óg Ó Dufaigh didn't make it.
Tragic. Such a talented footballer that i believe would have become established senior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Refyxz99Xwg
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Monaghan are in Division One longer than every team in Ireland apart from Kerry. The hoors got Galway relegated in 2021 via a playoff.
Did I read somewhere that in the second-half of the last game of the league for each of the last three years, Monaghan have been relegated on paper, before pulling it out of the bag before the final whistle.
Corey's big problem is that a number of his go-to men are well on the wrong side of 30. But I can see them getting a bit of a bounce from a new manager, and I wouldn't bet against them against Armagh in Blaney in the first game.
Bound to have a few decent young lads coming through soon. Tough opener for us for sure.
Monaghan won the Ulster minor championship 2018, 19 and finalists in 2020 so yes they should have plenty of good young footballers coming through.
Such a pity that Brendan Óg Ó Dufaigh didn't make it.
Tragic. Such a talented footballer that i believe would have become established senior.
awful of course. A great lad by all accounts. He was part of the wider senior panel when he passed away I believe.
I think Monaghan might hold on this year. Roscommon and Donegal look to be relegation fodder.
*Completely unprepared if this statement comes back to bite me.
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I think Monaghan might hold on this year. Roscommon and Donegal look to be relegation fodder.
*Completely unprepared if this statement comes back to bite me.
hope you're right lol
One can't underestimate Monaghan's ability to avoid the drop however relegation looks to be a three way fight between Monaghan, Donegal, Roscommon. Whoever beats each other will likely stay up and 4 points could be enough?
Then again who would have predicted Dublin to get relegated this time last year.
Big year for Armagh. Last year they had great momentum, benefiting from Dublin and Tyrone's poor form and carried an element of surprise and very good form into both games, running up big first half leads. However, after that their form dipped quite a bit - they were poor against Monaghan, unconvincing against Kildare, beat by Mayo, Kerry and Donegal. Hope it won't be the case, but I can see Armagh supporters biting their nails on the last day.
I see it finishing like this.
Mayo - McStay to get a new manager bounce
Tyrone - Bit between the teeth after a poor 2022
Galway - Expect them to continue from where they left off last year
Kerry - Might take them a while to get going
Armagh - Despite good performances last year, they were still inconsistent overall; don't see that changing and likely to drop important points
Monaghan - Corey to get a bit of a bounce - will take a few scalps
Roscommon - Will be surprised if they stay up given their history of yo-yoing
Donegal - Look like a team entering transition and losing momentum
Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
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This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
is it not the 8 provincial finalists, Westmeath as TC winners and then the next 7 teams by league ranking outside of those 9? Division 1 teams are safe enough.
Yes all of this year's Div 1 teams will be playing the last 16 of the championship.
Thank you for clarification.
Mayo - I expect Mayo to struggle this year. McStay has assembled a backroom team that have been there before and failed.
Tyrone - They will be there or there abouts in the Championship.
Galway - This will be a tough year for Galway, expectations are high and they'll find it hard to live up to them.
Kerry - Will rest a plethora of lads for the League. They'll expect to win Sam again this year, and if they don't they'll moan for the year about the hurt not winning it.
Armagh - Got a bit of the bounce last year. Geezer is a real back-door Manager.
Monaghan - Coming to a natural end.
Roscommon - Will be back in Division 2. They have always enough to upset Mayo and Galway in Connacht on their day.
Donegal - Murphy retiring might be the best thing to happen to the county. They need to find new young energetic leaders and not leave it all to one man like the last decade.
(Dublin will hammer everyone on Division 2 and will win Sam.)
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Mayo - I expect Mayo to struggle this year. McStay has assembled a backroom team that have been there before and failed.
Tyrone - They will be there or there abouts in the Championship.
Galway - This will be a tough year for Galway, expectations are high and they'll find it hard to live up to them.
Kerry - Will rest a plethora of lads for the League. They'll expect to win Sam again this year, and if they don't they'll moan for the year about the hurt not winning it.
Armagh - Got a bit of the bounce last year. Geezer is a real back-door Manager.
Monaghan - Coming to a natural end.
Roscommon - Will be back in Division 2. They have always enough to upset Mayo and Galway in Connacht on their day.
Donegal - Murphy retiring might be the best thing to happen to the county. They need to find new young energetic leaders and not leave it all to one man like the last decade.
(Dublin will hammer everyone on Division 2 and will win Sam.)
It's a while since a team playing out of Div 2 won the All Ireland. You must have the Kerry mindset if you think Mayo failed under Donie Buckley, Rochford previously although Rochford last year with Mayo which resulted in unexpected exit to Kildare was poor.
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Mayo - I expect Mayo to struggle this year. McStay has assembled a backroom team that have been there before and failed.
Tyrone - They will be there or there abouts in the Championship.
Galway - This will be a tough year for Galway, expectations are high and they'll find it hard to live up to them.
Kerry - Will rest a plethora of lads for the League. They'll expect to win Sam again this year, and if they don't they'll moan for the year about the hurt not winning it.
Armagh - Got a bit of the bounce last year. Geezer is a real back-door Manager.
Monaghan - Coming to a natural end.
Roscommon - Will be back in Division 2. They have always enough to upset Mayo and Galway in Connacht on their day.
Donegal - Murphy retiring might be the best thing to happen to the county. They need to find new young energetic leaders and not leave it all to one man like the last decade.
(Dublin will hammer everyone on Division 2 and will win Sam.)
It's a while since a team playing out of Div 2 won the All Ireland. You must have the Kerry mindset if you think Mayo failed under Donie Buckley, Rochford previously although Rochford last year with Mayo which resulted in unexpected exit to Kildare was poor.
Rochford won nothing. Never mind an All Ireland, he failed to win a Connacht title.
Buckley has never climbed the stairs on AI day either.
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Mayo - I expect Mayo to struggle this year. McStay has assembled a backroom team that have been there before and failed.
Tyrone - They will be there or there abouts in the Championship.
Galway - This will be a tough year for Galway, expectations are high and they'll find it hard to live up to them.
Kerry - Will rest a plethora of lads for the League. They'll expect to win Sam again this year, and if they don't they'll moan for the year about the hurt not winning it.
Armagh - Got a bit of the bounce last year. Geezer is a real back-door Manager.
Monaghan - Coming to a natural end.
Roscommon - Will be back in Division 2. They have always enough to upset Mayo and Galway in Connacht on their day.
Donegal - Murphy retiring might be the best thing to happen to the county. They need to find new young energetic leaders and not leave it all to one man like the last decade.
(Dublin will hammer everyone on Division 2 and will win Sam.)
It's a while since a team playing out of Div 2 won the All Ireland. You must have the Kerry mindset if you think Mayo failed under Donie Buckley, Rochford previously although Rochford last year with Mayo which resulted in unexpected exit to Kildare was poor.
Rochford won nothing. Never mind an All Ireland, he failed to win a Connacht title.
Buckley has never climbed the stairs on AI day either.
Rochford won an All-Ireland club title as player and as manager. He also led Mayo to back to back all Irelands and the finest Mayo final performance I ever saw in 2017.
A lot more than nothing, you don't have to give false praise but I don't see the point in being falsely negative either.
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
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Mayo - I expect Mayo to struggle this year. McStay has assembled a backroom team that have been there before and failed.
Tyrone - They will be there or there abouts in the Championship.
Galway - This will be a tough year for Galway, expectations are high and they'll find it hard to live up to them.
Kerry - Will rest a plethora of lads for the League. They'll expect to win Sam again this year, and if they don't they'll moan for the year about the hurt not winning it.
Armagh - Got a bit of the bounce last year. Geezer is a real back-door Manager.
Monaghan - Coming to a natural end.
Roscommon - Will be back in Division 2. They have always enough to upset Mayo and Galway in Connacht on their day.
Donegal - Murphy retiring might be the best thing to happen to the county. They need to find new young energetic leaders and not leave it all to one man like the last decade.
(Dublin will hammer everyone on Division 2 and will win Sam.)
It's a while since a team playing out of Div 2 won the All Ireland. You must have the Kerry mindset if you think Mayo failed under Donie Buckley, Rochford previously although Rochford last year with Mayo which resulted in unexpected exit to Kildare was poor.
Rochford won nothing. Never mind an All Ireland, he failed to win a Connacht title.
Buckley has never climbed the stairs on AI day either.
Did you have a bad pint last night ?
Kinda of hard to beat Galway playing with 14 men for over 40-45 minutes, which happened to Rochford two years in a row.
Buckley is an excellent coach.
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Mayo - I expect Mayo to struggle this year. McStay has assembled a backroom team that have been there before and failed.
Tyrone - They will be there or there abouts in the Championship.
Galway - This will be a tough year for Galway, expectations are high and they'll find it hard to live up to them.
Kerry - Will rest a plethora of lads for the League. They'll expect to win Sam again this year, and if they don't they'll moan for the year about the hurt not winning it.
Armagh - Got a bit of the bounce last year. Geezer is a real back-door Manager.
Monaghan - Coming to a natural end.
Roscommon - Will be back in Division 2. They have always enough to upset Mayo and Galway in Connacht on their day.
Donegal - Murphy retiring might be the best thing to happen to the county. They need to find new young energetic leaders and not leave it all to one man like the last decade.
(Dublin will hammer everyone on Division 2 and will win Sam.)
It's a while since a team playing out of Div 2 won the All Ireland. You must have the Kerry mindset if you think Mayo failed under Donie Buckley, Rochford previously although Rochford last year with Mayo which resulted in unexpected exit to Kildare was poor.
Rochford won nothing. Never mind an All Ireland, he failed to win a Connacht title.
Buckley has never climbed the stairs on AI day either.
Did you have a bad pint last night ?
Kinda of hard to beat Galway playing with 14 men for over 40-45 minutes, which happened to Rochford two years in a row.
Buckley is an excellent coach.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
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[Rochford won nothing. Never mind an All Ireland, he failed to win a Connacht title.
Buckley has never climbed the stairs on AI day either.
Yes you are confirming the Kerry mindset of failure unless Sam Maguire is won. I do wonder would Mayo have been the regular AI finalists and hugely competitive team against the best of the best had it not been for the huge input of the likes of Donie Buckley.
All Ireland winning experience helps but is not required to win an all Ireland.
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
Mine too
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 18, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I know you're winding, but I have that niggling feeling as well. Vital we get off to a good start vs Monaghan who are always a tricky game.
I think it could be a tough league for us this year. The main reason being we will be short defensively for the first few league games at least and our substitute defenders look pretty weak.
If Jack Glynn doesn't regain fitness we will be without 4 of the 6 starting defenders from the AI final (assuming Sean Kelly gets a well earned break for the next number of weeks).
Shane Walsh will also need a break but I'd be less concerned about that than our defensive issues.
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I think it could be a tough league for us this year. The main reason being we will be short defensively for the first few league games at least and our substitute defenders look pretty weak.
If Jack Glynn doesn't regain fitness we will be without 4 of the 6 starting defenders from the AI final (assuming Sean Kelly gets a well earned break for the next number of weeks).
Shane Walsh will also need a break but I'd be less concerned about that than our defensive issues.
Kelly and Walsh big losses for yourselves alright and both men certainly due a break.
What is the story with Seán Ó Maoilchiaráin?Is he still injured ?
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I know you're winding, but I have that niggling feeling as well. Vital we get off to a good start vs Monaghan who are always a tricky game.
I'm half expecting defeat in this tie which will probably come back to haunt us. Heard Armagh played Dublin the other week and gave a decent showing, so you never know.
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I know you're winding, but I have that niggling feeling as well. Vital we get off to a good start vs Monaghan who are always a tricky game.
I'm half expecting defeat in this tie which will probably come back to haunt us. Heard Armagh played Dublin the other week and gave a decent showing, so you never know.
Quoted that Tyrone AI in 2021 was mayo's to lose. Not sure about that. Tyrone beat mayo well. Tyrone v Kerry was the one they rode their luck in and Kerry would have beat Mayo easy as well imo.
Tyrone only team out of the Ulster 3 that can beat a top team IMO.
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I know you're winding, but I have that niggling feeling as well. Vital we get off to a good start vs Monaghan who are always a tricky game.
I'm half expecting defeat in this tie which will probably come back to haunt us. Heard Armagh played Dublin the other week and gave a decent showing, so you never know.
Quoted that Tyrone AI in 2021 was mayo's to lose. Not sure about that. Tyrone beat mayo well. Tyrone v Kerry was the one they rode their luck in and Kerry would have beat Mayo easy as well imo.
Tyrone only team out of the Ulster 3 that can beat a top team IMO.
Mayo had no hope against Tyrone. Decision making time and again lets them down. And don't forget only for a very very dubious call by the ref on a 45 (Was it Henley?) they'd have been out on their ears in the SF against Dublin.
The penalty in the final. You need a score badly anything to get back into the game and he takes on the riskiest kick top right for a right footed kicker. Jesus wept. Losers. No steel. No game intelligence. No smarts. 15 individuals. Absolute losers.
Compare that to Tyrone and how they had the game intelligence, in the SF against Kerry down to 14 with a black card, they killed the game. Working as a team, greater than the sum of their parts.
You can put Mayo at 5 or 32 won't make one iota of difference. Born to lose.
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What is the story with Seán Ó Maoilchiaráin?Is he still injured ?
I heard Pj saying a while back that he suffered some sort of setback in his recovery, so that has pushed out the return date for him.
Not sure of the latest on that though.
We need all the defenders we can get.
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I know you're winding, but I have that niggling feeling as well. Vital we get off to a good start vs Monaghan who are always a tricky game.
I'm half expecting defeat in this tie which will probably come back to haunt us. Heard Armagh played Dublin the other week and gave a decent showing, so you never know.
Quoted that Tyrone AI in 2021 was mayo's to lose. Not sure about that. Tyrone beat mayo well. Tyrone v Kerry was the one they rode their luck in and Kerry would have beat Mayo easy as well imo.
Tyrone only team out of the Ulster 3 that can beat a top team IMO.
Mayo had no hope against Tyrone. Decision making time and again lets them down. And don't forget only for a very very dubious call by the ref on a 45 (Was it Henley?) they'd have been out on their ears in the SF against Dublin.
The penalty in the final. You need a score badly anything to get back into the game and he takes on the riskiest kick top right for a right footed kicker. Jesus wept. Losers. No steel. No game intelligence. No smarts. 15 individuals. Absolute losers.
Compare that to Tyrone and how they had the game intelligence, in the SF against Kerry down to 14 with a black card, they killed the game. Working as a team, greater than the sum of their parts.
You can put Mayo at 5 or 32 won't make one iota of difference. Born to lose.
Ah now, we all know they won't win it. But they usually have an influence on who does (and who doesn't!
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I know you're winding, but I have that niggling feeling as well. Vital we get off to a good start vs Monaghan who are always a tricky game.
I'm half expecting defeat in this tie which will probably come back to haunt us. Heard Armagh played Dublin the other week and gave a decent showing, so you never know.
Quoted that Tyrone AI in 2021 was mayo's to lose. Not sure about that. Tyrone beat mayo well. Tyrone v Kerry was the one they rode their luck in and Kerry would have beat Mayo easy as well imo.
Tyrone only team out of the Ulster 3 that can beat a top team IMO.
Mayo had no hope against Tyrone. Decision making time and again lets them down. And don't forget only for a very very dubious call by the ref on a 45 (Was it Henley?) they'd have been out on their ears in the SF against Dublin.
The penalty in the final. You need a score badly anything to get back into the game and he takes on the riskiest kick top right for a right footed kicker. Jesus wept. Losers. No steel. No game intelligence. No smarts. 15 individuals. Absolute losers.
Compare that to Tyrone and how they had the game intelligence, in the SF against Kerry down to 14 with a black card, they killed the game. Working as a team, greater than the sum of their parts.
You can put Mayo at 5 or 32 won't make one iota of difference. Born to lose.
would love to know what level you played at to call Mayo footballers those names.
Trying to figure out if you are one of the many aliases for Kerry for SAMS, EIRE OG ETC........
Either way you have zero credibility
Hopefully the Armagh players don't pick up on the fear of some of the supporters on here! I'm quite hopeful that we will do well this year. We proved last year that we have the measure of Tyrone and are at least the equal of Donegal. We are also more than capable of beating Monaghan and Roscommon so all we have to do is get another win from the remaining games which is perfectly doable. I think we could just as easily win the League as get relegated but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it either as the most important competition for us this year is to try and win an Ulster championship and end the trophy drought.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2023, 05:49:17 PM
Hopefully the Armagh players don't pick up on the fear of some of the supporters on here! I'm quite hopeful that we will do well this year. We proved last year that we have the measure of Tyrone and are at least the equal of Donegal. We are also more than capable of beating Monaghan and Roscommon so all we have to do is get another win from the remaining games which is perfectly doable. I think we could just as easily win the League as get relegated but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it either as the most important competition for us this year is to try and win an Ulster championship and end the trophy drought.
Not entirely sure 1 good year against a tyrone team which were rubbish means you have the measure of them.
My God, a quarter final appearance in the All Ireland and Arnagh have the measure of everyone. Not even an Ulster final appearance never mind an Ulster title. I think as long as Geezer is there this trend will continue. When will his decade of success end?
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
I doubt we will be but it wouldn't surprise me
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2023, 05:49:17 PM
Hopefully the Armagh players don't pick up on the fear of some of the supporters on here! I'm quite hopeful that we will do well this year. We proved last year that we have the measure of Tyrone and are at least the equal of Donegal. We are also more than capable of beating Monaghan and Roscommon so all we have to do is get another win from the remaining games which is perfectly doable. I think we could just as easily win the League as get relegated but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it either as the most important competition for us this year is to try and win an Ulster championship and end the trophy drought.
Yeah completely agree with you. I always say the only team that can beat Armagh is ourselves. We'll give anyone their fill of it
if we have a full deck and play to our potential.
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Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2023, 05:49:17 PM
Hopefully the Armagh players don't pick up on the fear of some of the supporters on here! I'm quite hopeful that we will do well this year. We proved last year that we have the measure of Tyrone and are at least the equal of Donegal. We are also more than capable of beating Monaghan and Roscommon so all we have to do is get another win from the remaining games which is perfectly doable. I think we could just as easily win the League as get relegated but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it either as the most important competition for us this year is to try and win an Ulster championship and end the trophy drought.
Not entirely sure 1 good year against a tyrone team which were rubbish means you have the measure of them.
They might have been rubbish last year but they were AI champions the year before that. Some people might argue over the merits of that AI victory but we played and beat them 3 times last season. The reality is that there is probably not much between the 2 sides which is similar to most of the division apart from Kerry.
Only people who don't like Tyrone would argue the merits of their 2021 AI. They beat Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo. A fully deserved and merited AI win I don't think there can be any argument whatsoever.
As for Tyrone this year I think everyone in the county expects a much better year and I think we will get it. I don't think Kerry are that far ahead of the pack to be honest.
Quote from: square_ball on January 20, 2023, 01:37:14 PM
Only people who don't like Tyrone would argue the merits of their 2021 AI. They beat Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo. A fully deserved and merited AI win I don't think there can be any argument whatsoever.
As for Tyrone this year I think everyone in the county expects a much better year and I think we will get it. I don't think Kerry are that far ahead of the pack to be honest.
As much as I hate to admit it Tyrone deserved their AI in 2021 unfortunately. Agree with yku there isn't a whole pile between a lot of teams, think ourselves and Tyrone will be at a similar level and would give both of us a solid chance vs Kerry.
Tyrone never do back to back. They always mix the sublime with the ridiculous the year after. They could easily win this year.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 03:26:05 PM
Tyrone never do back to back. They always mix the sublime with the ridiculous the year after. They could easily win this year.
Yeah I think they're in with a real chance this year tbh.
Can this nonsense stop? Tyrone werent handed an AI they won it on merit by beating every team they played ffs
Sure they faked a covid crisis and poisoned Kerrys water bottles ;)
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 20, 2023, 03:32:44 PM
Can this nonsense stop? Tyrone werent handed an AI they won it on merit by beating every team they played ffs
Boke.
Can't see Kerry winning a 4th league title in a row, as a lot of players will be rested such as the two Cliffords and a lot of new squad members have been added and will get run outs.
Plus Kerry mightn't have the same intensity to win a league without Dublin in it as well.
Also, the league (well Div 1 anyway) will be much less important than last year with the round robin system coming in for the Championship.
Tyrone to beat Mayo in the league final.
Monaghan v Armagh live on BBC iplayer.
You can lose your first 3 matches and still stay up
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Monaghan v Armagh live on BBC iplayer.
Which is fine if you live in the North. Will it work in Monaghan?
Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 07:22:58 PM
You can lose your first 3 matches and still stay up
You could win your first 3 and go down. Happened us in 2003. Ironically 14 man Ros were the only team to beat Tyrone that year. We have not beat the haitches since. Hope we can correct that on Sunday.
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Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 07:22:58 PM
You can lose your first 3 matches and still stay up
You could win your first 3 and go down. Happened us in 2003. Ironically 14 man Ros were the only team to beat Tyrone that year. We have not beat the haitches since. Hope we can correct that on Sunday.
How are Roscommon looking?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 23, 2023, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 23, 2023, 05:27:04 PM
Monaghan v Armagh live on BBC iplayer.
Which is fine if you live in the North. Will it work in Monaghan?
Using a VPN should work.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 23, 2023, 05:27:04 PM
Monaghan v Armagh live on BBC iplayer.
Which is fine if you live in the North. Will it work in Monaghan?
I'd say at least 80% of Monaghan is further north than Crossmaglen. Monaghan should really have been part of Shangri La but it didn't have enough Protestants.
Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 09:40:08 PM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 23, 2023, 05:27:04 PM
Monaghan v Armagh live on BBC iplayer.
Which is fine if you live in the North. Will it work in Monaghan?
I'd say at least 80% of Monaghan is further north than Crossmaglen. Monaghan should really have been part of Shangri La but it didn't have enough Protestants.
It had more Protestants than Crossmaglen.
Partition was awful. Nobody was asked.
It didn't do much for Monaghan either, BBC notwithstanding.
Kerry in rough enough shape for the trip to Donegal. 5 max of All Ireland team available. Midfield very very thin with Diarmuid O'Connor out injured, Joe O'Connor gone for year with ACL and Moran retired. May be some young buck coming into the panel to cover with Okunbor possibly starting midfield but it's going to be experimental to a degree. I think once Kerry get back into the stride by game 2/3 and stay up without having any hosings that will have to be satisfactory.
2 Cliffords, Ryan, Murphy and others will be back around Rd 2 or 3. Mayo game in Castlebar would be one that's a target I'd imagine. Armagh and Throne then after that all in space of 15 days so that's a crucial 3 game period.
Best time to play Kerry is usually the first 2 Rounds .
We'll be struggling I fear as Davy B will have to integrate young skinny lads (S&C non existent here it seems) in each game.
Hopefully we are competitive and go down fighting as we get ready for the Sumner series.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
Best time to play Kerry is usually the first 2 Rounds .
We'll be struggling I fear as Davy B will have to integrate young skinny lads (S&C non existent here it seems) in each game.
Hopefully we are competitive and go down fighting as we get ready for the Sumner series.
I I dunno. I don't think the standard is particularly high this year. All 8 are guaranteed Sam Maguire.
While it's great to have proper inter-county action back again, I think this could (pending on the opening two matches) be a difficult league campaign for Mayo. If we win our two opening games - then great, it's 4 points on the board before Kerry and Tyrone make the trips to Castlebar. Lose one or both would probably leave us wondering how the other teams are going.
I'm not sure Mayo will go all out and win the league. McStay said that all players will get game time throughout the league campaign, so finding out strengths and identifying weaknesses I'm sure will be priorities. Especially taking into account the Roscommon game is the week after the league final if I'm correct. The loss of both Keegan and Mullin can't be overstated. I just hope the rest of our defenders are capable of holding their own with whoever they're marking.
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This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
is it not the 8 provincial finalists, Westmeath as TC winners and then the next 7 teams by league ranking outside of those 9? Division 1 teams are safe enough.
Yes all of this year's Div 1 teams will be playing the last 16 of the championship.
Thank you for clarification.
Not sure this is correct.
From the Irish Examiner today
"Only the six best-placed Division 1 teams at the conclusion of the Allianz Football League round-robin stages on March 26 will be guaranteed Sam Maguire Cup places based on their league rankings.
The top team in each Sam Maguire Cup group progresses to an All-Ireland quarter-final where they will face one of the four teams who come through the preliminary quarter-finals, which pit second and third placed teams against each other.I thought there were four teams in each Sam Maguire group, the above makes it sound like only three, if not seems like there will be additional games for teams who finish second and third.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: joemamas on January 17, 2023, 03:21:56 PM
This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
is it not the 8 provincial finalists, Westmeath as TC winners and then the next 7 teams by league ranking outside of those 9? Division 1 teams are safe enough.
Yes all of this year's Div 1 teams will be playing the last 16 of the championship.
Thank you for clarification.
Not sure this is correct.
From the Irish Examiner today
"Only the six best-placed Division 1 teams at the conclusion of the Allianz Football League round-robin stages on March 26 will be guaranteed Sam Maguire Cup places based on their league rankings.
The top team in each Sam Maguire Cup group progresses to an All-Ireland quarter-final where they will face one of the four teams who come through the preliminary quarter-finals, which pit second and third placed teams against each other.
I thought there were four teams in each Sam Maguire group, the above makes it sound like only three, if not seems like there will be additional games for teams who finish second and third.
It's kinda correct in that the two promoted teams from Div 2 will have higher rank than the two demoted teams. From Wiki:
Sixteen teams progress to the All-Ireland Championship round-robin:
The 4 provincial champions
The 4 beaten provincial finalists
The 7 next-ranked teams, based on final position in the 2023 National Football League
Position is based on standing after promotion and relegation are applied; therefore, the top two teams in Division 2 outrank the bottom two teams in Division 1.
The 2022 Tailteann Cup winners (Westmeath)
I was wondering about that.
Given that it is most likely that we will go down and NOT make the Ulster Final this year, and Roscommon are likely in the same boat in their situation, could we end up in the Tailteann Cup?
The good thing for us both is that the likes of Dublin and Derry are extremely good bets to at least make their provincial finals, as are a number of those who would likely finish above us in the league, so I'd say we should be all right when it comes to the seven next-best ranked league teams.
Quote from: J70 on January 25, 2023, 06:17:36 PM
I was wondering about that.
Given that it is most likely that we will go down and NOT make the Ulster Final this year, and Roscommon are likely in the same boat in their situation, could we end up in the Tailteann Cup?
The good thing for us both is that the likes of Dublin and Derry are extremely good bets to at least make their provincial finals, as are a number of those who would likely finish above us in the league, so I'd say we should be all right when it comes to the seven next-best ranked league teams.
You are in Dv 1, it is the lowest teams in Div 2 that have problems
You'd need 7 or 8 Div 3 and 4 teams to make the Provincial Finals ....
Sam Maguire after the provincial championships is 16 teams going into four groups of four.
It should contain all 8 Division 1 teams, the other 8 will include Westmeath, Connacht finalists (one of London, New York, Leitrim or Sligo) and more than likely the top 6 in Division 2
If Louth, Limerick get relegated (favourites to do so) and Cavan, Down promoted they would have to reach their provincial final to play in the Sam Maguire group stage.
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Quote from: joemamas on January 18, 2023, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2023, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: joemamas on January 17, 2023, 03:21:56 PM
This is more of a Connacht/ AI series Q.
If Mayo/Galway/Roscommon finish in bottom two, does that mean the loser in the Connacht Cship between those teams does not qualify for the last 16, as two of them cannot reach the Connacht final.
I am not fully up,to,speed on the new championship format.
Either way it looks like being a very competitive league.
is it not the 8 provincial finalists, Westmeath as TC winners and then the next 7 teams by league ranking outside of those 9? Division 1 teams are safe enough.
Yes all of this year's Div 1 teams will be playing the last 16 of the championship.
Thank you for clarification.
Not sure this is correct.
From the Irish Examiner today
"Only the six best-placed Division 1 teams at the conclusion of the Allianz Football League round-robin stages on March 26 will be guaranteed Sam Maguire Cup places based on their league rankings.
The top team in each Sam Maguire Cup group progresses to an All-Ireland quarter-final where they will face one of the four teams who come through the preliminary quarter-finals, which pit second and third placed teams against each other.
I thought there were four teams in each Sam Maguire group, the above makes it sound like only three, if not seems like there will be additional games for teams who finish second and third.
It's kinda correct in that the two promoted teams from Div 2 will have higher rank than the two demoted teams. From Wiki:
Sixteen teams progress to the All-Ireland Championship round-robin:
The 4 provincial champions
The 4 beaten provincial finalists
The 7 next-ranked teams, based on final position in the 2023 National Football League
Position is based on standing after promotion and relegation are applied; therefore, the top two teams in Division 2 outrank the bottom two teams in Division 1.
The 2022 Tailteann Cup winners (Westmeath)
You would expect a considerable overlap between provincial finalists and D1 . The next 7 would mop up the rest, surely
As expected it's been confirmed that Liam Silke won't play for Galway in 2023.
I can't overstate how big of a blow that is to our chances of doing anything this season.
He was absolutely outstanding in 2022.
And we essentially have no real marking corner backs left.
Molloy being out is a blow as well obviously but it's far easier to plug a gap in the half back line.
Quote from: galwayman on January 25, 2023, 09:10:56 PM
As expected it's been confirmed that Liam Silke won't play for Galway in 2023.
I can't overstate how big of a blow that is to our chances of doing anything this season.
He was absolutely outstanding in 2022.
And we essentially have no real marking corner backs left.
Molloy being out is a blow as well obviously but it's far easier to play a gap in the half back line.
Good news for your opposition. 2 serious footballers.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2023, 06:40:11 PM
You'd need 7 or 8 Div 3 and 4 teams to make the Provincial Finals ....
It's very unlikely but the last ranked team in Div 1 would be vulnerable if provincials ended like this. It would take a Kildare to shock Dublin in Leinster, a Cork to pip Derry for promotion, but Derry to make Ulster.
Provincials:
Kildare Meath
Galway Sligo
Derry Cavan
Kerry v Limerick
Ranking:
Kerry provincial
1 Tyrone
2 Mayo
Galway - provincial
3 Armagh
4 Monaghan
7 Donegal demoted
8 Roscommon demoted
5 Dublin promoted
6 Cork promoted
Quote from: weareros on January 25, 2023, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 25, 2023, 06:40:11 PM
You'd need 7 or 8 Div 3 and 4 teams to make the Provincial Finals ....
It's very unlikely but the last ranked team in Div 1 would be vulnerable if provincials ended like this. It would take a Kildare to shock Dublin in Leinster, a Cork to pip Derry for promotion, but Derry to make Ulster.
Provincials:
Kildare Meath
Galway Sligo
Derry Cavan
Kerry v Limerick
Ranking:
Kerry provincial
1 Tyrone
2 Mayo
Galway - provincial
3 Armagh
4 Monaghan
7 Donegal demoted
8 Roscommon demoted
5 Dublin promoted
6 Cork promoted
It's very interesting although in most cases 8/15 should be feasible.
More damage is likely to be done to d2 teams.
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
So it was a handy all Ireland, during which you beat both us and Derry yet are ranked below both? Makes sense I suppose haha
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Kerry and Dublin met in the semi last year.
Maughan was the first Connacht manager in 25 years or so to beat Kerry (or Dublin) in an all Ireland semi.
This year the semi will be more challenging.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Remember, for him to remain relevant, he has to make what would appear to be stupid/controversial comments, and then hope to get as many clicks as possible.
Pity the interviewer had not done the research that you have done and called him out on last years comments.
When I see him name next to a news story, I just ignore it.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Kerry and Dublin met in the semi last year.
Maughan was the first Connacht manager in 25 years or so to beat Kerry (or Dublin) in an all Ireland semi.
This year the semi will be more challenging.
Galway will have to beat either Dublin or Kerry. Something they have not done in Knock-out championship in 57 years.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Kerry and Dublin met in the semi last year.
Maughan was the first Connacht manager in 25 years or so to beat Kerry (or Dublin) in an all Ireland semi.
This year the semi will be more challenging.
Galway will have to beat either Dublin or Kerry. Something they have not done in Knock-out championship in 57 years.
Haven't beaten Mayo in a knock out championship game since 1998 either. Starting to feel fairly bad about things again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2023, 03:38:42 PM
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Kerry and Dublin met in the semi last year.
Maughan was the first Connacht manager in 25 years or so to beat Kerry (or Dublin) in an all Ireland semi.
This year the semi will be more challenging.
Galway will have to beat either Dublin or Kerry. Something they have not done in Knock-out championship in 57 years.
Something they have never done in Knock either
Sent Kerry on the way home in 2018 but 'knOcK oUt' makes it invalid supposedly. A third of the panel beat Dublin in an All Ireland Final just over 2 years ago, something of far more relevance than stuff in the 70's and 80's id say
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
Im enjoying this "handy run" stuff coming from a select few. Quite how i don't know. They had two draws, one sent them to play Mayo away and then Roscommon in Connacht, which is the hardest possible. The next, their 'reward' for winning Connacht was one of 3 options, being 7 points favorites against Cork or Clare or drawing Armagh in red hot form. Got Armagh. They literally played every good team in the competition (in 2022 terms) apart from Dublin
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
I don't think we'll have a particularly great league anyway. Between players unavailable for whatever reason especially in defence and we have quite a few involved in Sigerson as well. Just seems like there is a lot of competing interests at the moment and it looks a bit unsettled. Think they are a bit behind most teams as well in terms of work done apart from maybe Kerry. They have Kerry last up as well which will probably be a very different Kerry side to the one that will play the first half of the league. Get a few wins and stay up will be at aim I'd say and hopefully unearth a couple players in defence. They have to as they are down a couple of very good players back there and they won't be back this year.
I did see some of the Maughan interview alright. I could understand him saying listen Galway are down a few players so they might struggle to replace those players this year but it seemed a bit odd to landing us behind a few sides that they beat last year.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
I don't think we'll have a particularly great league anyway. Between players unavailable for whatever reason especially in defence and we have quite a few involved in Sigerson as well. Just seems like there is a lot of competing interests at the moment and it looks a bit unsettled. Think they are a bit behind most teams as well in terms of work done apart from maybe Kerry. They have Kerry last up as well which will probably be a very different Kerry side to the one that will play the first half of the league. Get a few wins and stay up will be at aim I'd say and hopefully unearth a couple players in defence. They have to as they are down a couple of very good players back there and they won't be back this year.
I did see some of the Maughan interview alright. I could understand him saying listen Galway are down a few players so they might struggle to replace those players this year but it seemed a bit odd to landing us behind a few sides that they beat last year.
A lot of distractions alright between injuries, club and a frankly ridiculous number playing sigerson. They don't look to have much work done compared with last year. However, that does apply to numerous teams in D1, with Donegal and Kerry riddled with injuries on top of some Donegal uncertainty, and talk of Monaghan and Roscommon having slightly slow preps also. I expect Galway to be solidly mid table, perhaps to the lower end, enough maybe to get by the ones above but not enough done to challenge Tyrone, Armagh and Mayo who'll all hit the ground running. Quite unlucky to have Kerry in the final game also when they'll almost certainly be back to normal, rather than early on
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 26, 2023, 02:44:04 PM
John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
I don't think we'll have a particularly great league anyway. Between players unavailable for whatever reason especially in defence and we have quite a few involved in Sigerson as well. Just seems like there is a lot of competing interests at the moment and it looks a bit unsettled. Think they are a bit behind most teams as well in terms of work done apart from maybe Kerry. They have Kerry last up as well which will probably be a very different Kerry side to the one that will play the first half of the league. Get a few wins and stay up will be at aim I'd say and hopefully unearth a couple players in defence. They have to as they are down a couple of very good players back there and they won't be back this year.
I did see some of the Maughan interview alright. I could understand him saying listen Galway are down a few players so they might struggle to replace those players this year but it seemed a bit odd to landing us behind a few sides that they beat last year.
A lot of distractions alright between injuries, club and a frankly ridiculous number playing sigerson. They don't look to have much work done compared with last year. However, that does apply to numerous teams in D1, with Donegal and Kerry riddled with injuries on top of some Donegal uncertainty, and talk of Monaghan and Roscommon having slightly slow preps also. I expect Galway to be solidly mid table, perhaps to the lower end, enough maybe to get by the ones above but not enough done to challenge Tyrone, Armagh and Mayo who'll all hit the ground running. Quite unlucky to have Kerry in the final game also when they'll almost certainly be back to normal, rather than early on
Last year Tyrone benefitted by playing Kerry in the final game with it being a dead rubber for Kerry who played a weakened team in advance of the following week's League final.
I expect Kerry's final game to be a dead rubber for them this year also but in different circumstances - safe from relegation and a position in the league final out of reach.
Strong Galway team for Saturday night
Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Dessie Connelly
Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Eoin Finnerty,Owen Gallagher
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John Maughan writing Galway off for the year anyway, we should be ranked below Armagh and Derry in the National context. It was a "handy" All Ireland last year apparently.
His smug prediction after the Galway Offaly league game last year was completely inaccurate, so while I have a bit of trepidation about how we'll go after blowing what was a rare opportunity in a winnable final last year, I'm starting to feel better about 2023 already.
I don't think we'll have a particularly great league anyway. Between players unavailable for whatever reason especially in defence and we have quite a few involved in Sigerson as well. Just seems like there is a lot of competing interests at the moment and it looks a bit unsettled. Think they are a bit behind most teams as well in terms of work done apart from maybe Kerry. They have Kerry last up as well which will probably be a very different Kerry side to the one that will play the first half of the league. Get a few wins and stay up will be at aim I'd say and hopefully unearth a couple players in defence. They have to as they are down a couple of very good players back there and they won't be back this year.
I did see some of the Maughan interview alright. I could understand him saying listen Galway are down a few players so they might struggle to replace those players this year but it seemed a bit odd to landing us behind a few sides that they beat last year.
A lot of distractions alright between injuries, club and a frankly ridiculous number playing sigerson. They don't look to have much work done compared with last year. However, that does apply to numerous teams in D1, with Donegal and Kerry riddled with injuries on top of some Donegal uncertainty, and talk of Monaghan and Roscommon having slightly slow preps also. I expect Galway to be solidly mid table, perhaps to the lower end, enough maybe to get by the ones above but not enough done to challenge Tyrone, Armagh and Mayo who'll all hit the ground running. Quite unlucky to have Kerry in the final game also when they'll almost certainly be back to normal, rather than early on
Last year Tyrone benefitted by playing Kerry in the final game with it being a dead rubber for Kerry who played a weakened team in advance of the following week's League final.
I expect Kerry's final game to be a dead rubber for them this year also but in different circumstances - safe from relegation and a position in the league final out of reach.
I'd say Donegal will benefit much more from a weakened team this Sunday than Tyrone did in the final game last year. Tyrone obviously had more hunger on the day but given the team Kerry put out I think it's fair to say they'd have happily relegated Tyrone.
Kerry had 9 starters from the All Ireland winning starting team on (including Clifford) plus another 3 game of the bench against Tyrone last year. For this Sunday it looks like there'll only be 3/4 starters available.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/26/nfl-division-one-champions-kerry-look-to-retain-title/
NFL Division One: Champions Kerry look to retain title
Four Ulster teams, three from Connacht in what will be a competitive league
Seán Moran
Thu Jan 26 2023 - 20:42
Armagh
Manager: Kieran McGeeney
2022: 3rd in Division One and lost Ulster 1st round to Donegal; All-Ireland, lost quarter-final to Galway
Opening fixture: v Monaghan (away)
An encouraging 2022 saw Kieran McGeeney's team start fast in the league and end it a little unlucky to miss final. Also unlucky to exit championship on penalties. Rian O'Neill was excellent in an at times high-performing attack. Discipline though remains a fundamental problem.
Donegal
Manager: Paddy Carr
2022: 4th, Division One and lost Ulster final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R2 to Armagh
Opening fixture: v Kerry (home)
Byzantine managerial manoeuvres ended with Paddy Carr taking over. Aidan O'Rourke joins as coach but Michael Murphy finally called it a day. There's not much optimism that they can turn around the underachievement in his absence.
Galway
Manager: Pádraic Joyce
2022: Runners up, Division Two and Connacht champions; All-Ireland finalists.
Opening fixture: v Mayo (away)
Excellent championship brought Galway closer to an All-Ireland than for two decades. This season isn't starting well with loss of Liam Silke for what looks like a year and Kieran Molloy nursing a cruciate. Return of Ian Burke a positive but greater depth needed.
Kerry
Manager: Jack O'Connor
2022: 1st in Division One and winners, Munster champions; All-Ireland champions
Opening fixture: v Donegal (away)
Jack O'Connor returned for a third tenure to do his trick of a first-year league and All-Ireland double. They may ease up on the league, particularly as they start the campaign without most of their first team between injury and club commitments. David Moran called it a day, leaving hole at centrefield.
Mayo
Manager: Kevin McStay
2022: 2nd in Division One and finalists, lost Connacht quarter-final to Galway; All-Ireland, lost quarter-final to Kerry
Opening fixture: v Galway (home)
Pre-season disappointment as Lee Keegan retired and Oisín Mullin returned to Australia. Buoyant all the same under the new management and with some good under-20 talent bubbling under. Can a renewed championship challenge be unearthed?
Monaghan
Manager: Vinny Corey
2022: 6th, Division One and lost Ulster semi-final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R1 to Mayo
Opening fixture: v Armagh (home)
Time of transition, as Drew Wylie and former All Star Colin Walshe retired but Vinny Corey came to the rescue of a management void. There is still optimism amid the realism. David Gartland tearing it up for UCD another positive.
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Roscommon
Manager: Davy Burke
2022: 1st Division Two and winners, lost Connacht final to Galway; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R2 to Clare
Opening fixture: v Tyrone (home)
New manager Davy Burke must cope with the travel plans of first teamers Ultan Harney and Ronan Daly. On the credit side, Tadhg O'Rourke is back involved. Need to hit the ground running if their yo-yo status isn't to continue.
Tyrone
Managers: Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher
2022: 5th, Division One and lost Ulster quarter-final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R1 to Armagh
Opening fixture: v Roscommon (away)
Hoping to bounce back from the now traditional post-All-Ireland deflation, Tyrone have the wherewithal to do a lot better. Conor McKenna's revived AFL career is a significant loss but with younger talent developing the 2021 champions can improve.
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Strong Galway team for Saturday night
Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Dessie Connelly
Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Eoin Finnerty,Owen Gallagher
That's a strong team alright. Joyce mustn't like Tomo Culhane or is he playing Sigerson?
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Strong Galway team for Saturday night
Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Dessie Connelly
Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Eoin Finnerty,Owen Gallagher
That's a strong team alright. Joyce mustn't like Tomo Culhane or is he playing Sigerson?
Very different to the one put out last time in the Prenty Dome.
Connacht teams enter the real World this weekend away from Prenty's fantasy palace of fairy tales.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2023, 08:44:40 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 26, 2023, 11:57:19 PM
Strong Galway team for Saturday night
Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Dessie Connelly
Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Eoin Finnerty,Owen Gallagher
That's a strong team alright. Joyce mustn't like Tomo Culhane or is he playing Sigerson?
Culhane was taken off injured in his last Sigerson game. Will be surprised if that team starts, didn't even know Mulchay & Davoren were on the panel.
The Moycullen lads will be fit but the 3 Kelly's have all been playing Sigerson so will have done very little with the team and Glynn if he starts, O'Flaherty, Tierney & Finnerty have been playing Sigerson too.
Thought all along that Galway were in for tough start to the league and would be happy to stay up and find a couple of players with losing Molloy & Silke who are huge losses. Like the look of O'Flaherty but there's not many 19 year olds playing at this level.
Fair few names missing there. Il be pleasantly surprised if they come away with anything from Castlebar tomorrow night. His substitution list is always a perplexing read. No idea that a few of them were in contention. Must be a number of knocks.
Of the starters, all eyes on O'Flaherty of course but he's so young. Only really one out and out defender there in Glynn and being tasked with marking Ryan O'Donoghue (or Tommy Conroy if he played post injury) is probably something he'd have been saved from last season, never mind coming off an injury himself and no gametime under his belt yet this year. Assuming Heaney drops deep to protect the defensive rookies, it'll mean one of Finnerty, Comer or Dessie playing a lot deeper themselves than usual. It all looks experimental enough in practice
Anyone know what's the story with Patrick Kelly? Hasn't been mentioned in any interviews to my knowledge if its injury related, which seems very strange for what looked a surefire starter coming into the year
11 of that Galway team started All-Ireland final. Won't be many if any of the other Div 1 teams starting with so many first choice players in round 1 in the league.
Joyce looking to hit the ground running it seems while running the risk of injury with a lot of those players already heavily involved with college football and Moycullens season didn't end until early January so not much of a rest there.
No Shane Walsh of course yet he didn't play away to Derry in the league last year and Galway had that contest won by half time leading 3-8 to 0-4 with Tierney, Conneely and Comer with the goals.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 27, 2023, 10:44:35 AM
11 of that Galway team started All-Ireland final. Won't be many if any of the other Div 1 teams starting with so many first choice players in round 1 in the league.
Joyce looking to hit the ground running it seems while running the risk of injury with a lot of those players already heavily involved with college football and Moycullens season didn't end until early January so not much of a rest there.
No Shane Walsh of course yet he didn't play away to Derry in the league last year and Galway had that contest won by half time leading 3-8 to 0-4 with Tierney, Conneely and Comer with the goals.
Well that's patently nonsense. Go back look at the R1 teamsheets from the D1 teams last year. Teams haven't put throwaway teams out in the league in about a decade at this stage. Kerry and Donegal will look a bit different this year alright through injury and club commitments
How many U20 players will be making their competitive debut in D1 this weekend? Id say you could set the line at 2. It's an experimental defensive setup with a decent forward line. Goalkeeper best not talked about. Best player and free taker being gone until game 6 by the sounds of things will probably cost them at some point
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Fair few names missing there. Il be pleasantly surprised if they come away with anything from Castlebar tomorrow night. His substitution list is always a perplexing read. No idea that a few of them were in contention. Must be a number of knocks.
Of the starters, all eyes on O'Flaherty of course but he's so young. Only really one out and out defender there in Glynn and being tasked with marking Ryan O'Donoghue (or Tommy Conroy if he played post injury) is probably something he'd have been saved from last season, never mind coming off an injury himself and no gametime under his belt yet this year. Assuming Heaney drops deep to protect the defensive rookies, it'll mean one of Finnerty, Comer or Dessie playing a lot deeper themselves than usual. It all looks experimental enough in practice
Anyone know what's the story with Patrick Kelly? Hasn't been mentioned in any interviews to my knowledge if its injury related, which seems very strange for what looked a surefire starter coming into the year
Re Kelly - I heard Pj say that Silke was the only player who wouldn't commit. I'm assuming it's injury related rather than being dropped but not sure on that either?
On the elephant in the room... how the hell do we still have the same goalkeeper as last year? He is a disaster waiting to happen in every single game.
Look at Dunmore's run this year even - several bloopers that led to the concession of goals.
I can't believe that we don't have several better keepers in the county.
Won't be fixing the goalkeeper issue during this league by the looks of it, Gleeson and Power have been tried before, we all know their strengths and weaknesses, neither are of the sufficient standard. Galway restarts are killing us compared to other teams who have better kick out systems and better goalkeepeers.
We'll see how they go tomorrow, interesting squad in terms of who is and isn't there, good number of players who saw time in the FBD have been cleared out. Thought Billy Mannion might have got a starting jersey but Eoghan Kelly has got the nod. O'Flaherty isn't even starting for University of Galway in the Sigerson, very young for this level but his FBD performances have been rewarded.
More worried about injuries really, no break for Sean Kelly, a lot of these lads are playing Sigerson next week as well, I'm sure they have the workloads managed as best they can be but it's asking for trouble. There was no rocket science to Galway going better in the championship last year, had McDaid, Comer and especially Daly fully fit, we can't afford the likes of Sean Kelly to get injuries from over playing, I thought he looked flaked in the club semi final after the long year.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on January 26, 2023, 11:57:19 PM
Strong Galway team for Saturday night
Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Dessie Connelly
Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Eoin Finnerty,Owen Gallagher
That's a strong team alright. Joyce mustn't like Tomo Culhane or is he playing Sigerson?
He went off injured in NUIG's last game.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 27, 2023, 01:11:05 PM
Won't be fixing the goalkeeper issue during this league by the looks of it, Gleeson and Power have been tried before, we all know their strengths and weaknesses, neither are of the sufficient standard. Galway restarts are killing us compared to other teams who have better kick out systems and better goalkeepeers.
We'll see how they go tomorrow, interesting squad in terms of who is and isn't there, good number of players who saw time in the FBD have been cleared out. Thought Billy Mannion might have got a starting jersey but Eoghan Kelly has got the nod. O'Flaherty isn't even starting for University of Galway in the Sigerson, very young for this level but his FBD performances have been rewarded.
Heard O'Flaherty has been impressing in challenges as well. Was apparently very good against Westmeath recently. But he's only a young lad so he's going to have ups and downs for a while yet.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 09:13:20 AM
Connacht teams enter the real World this weekend away from Prenty's fantasy palace of fairy tales.
While he not above criticism, would you prefer if it was in Meath, Wicklow or Kildare.
I couldn't care less what Meath, Kildare etc build...anyway they have their own Training Centres because the Leinster Council didn't keep all the money for themselves .
Ros, Galway and Mayowestros Co Boards all on financial lofesupport from HQ while the CC spent €13m on outdoor and airdome Bekan.
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 08:33:42 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/26/nfl-division-one-champions-kerry-look-to-retain-title/
NFL Division
Monaghan
Manager: Vinny Corey
2022: 6th, Division One and lost Ulster semi-final to Derry; All-Ireland, lost qualifier R1 to Mayo
Opening fixture: v Armagh (home)
Time of transition, as Drew Wylie and former All Star Colin Walshe retired but Vinny Corey came to the rescue of a management void. There is still optimism amid the realism. David Gartland tearing it up for UCD another positive.
The player's name is Garland and he's not on the county panel as it stands now.
Mayo team named. No subs published.
Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue.
Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
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Mayo team named. No subs published.
Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue.
Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/27/the-national-football-league-the-gaas-best-and-most-abused-competition/
The National Football League: the GAA's best and most abused competition
Success in the league means so many different things to so many different people
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The national football league gets underway this weekend with eight games across the four divisions on Saturday. Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
Malachy Clerkin
Fri Jan 27 2023 - 17:00
Here it comes, the upside-down, the inside-out. The National Football League returns this weekend, bless its cotton socks. And its woolly hats. And its coats and snoods and its brollies and boots and everything else that might fit in the wagon. Winter is still hanging around like a maudlin party guest but the intercounty season is back so winter knows what it can do with itself.
Right around the island, people will get up and get out and go to games this weekend. From as far north as Owenbeg in Derry to Páirc Uí Chaoimh in the south. In stadiums as big as Croke Park in Dublin 3 and in grounds as cosy as Corrigan Park in Belfast BT12. People will go. Very few of them will give it any thought.
The league doesn't really go in that much for thinking. Doesn't reward it, at any rate. If you sat for too long trying to define the meaning of it or the worth of it or even just the basic point of it, you'd tie your brain into ampersands. It takes up 10 of the 27 weeks of the intercounty season and yet hardly anybody knows how to feel about it.
What exactly is the league? Depends what you're asking, really. On a very basic level, it's Gaelic football's secondary competition. It's nominally that in hurling too but nobody is buying that any more. The hurling league has become so thoroughly drained of jeopardy that you could make reasonable claims for the Fitzgibbon Cup ahead of it. Whatever the football league is, it's not nothing.
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NFL Division One: Champions Kerry look to retain title
NFL Division One: Champions Kerry look to retain title
Between now and the league finals on the first weekend of April, the four divisions will have 116 matches between them. That's 53.9 per cent of the intercounty season rammed into the next 10 weeks. If that sounds a lot, it's actually down from 65.9 per cent last year – the result of the latest revamp of the championship adding 39 games to football's main summer attraction. Which, in turn, has only made the league a more confusing prospect.
This is not, it should be said, the league's fault. Lots of sports have secondary competitions. Lots of sports have precursors to the main event, pipe-openers to get their seasons up and running. The URC, the Carabao Cup, the non-Major golf tournaments, whatever else you like. Team sports, individual disciplines, it happens all over. So it's not the league, in and of itself, that is unusual.
No, it's more the way it gets treated. All those other competitions build from a low base and they grow in terms of stature and public curiosity the further they go. That's the point of them. Nobody warms up by jumping into a sauna – you do it gradually and methodically until you find yourself performing at full pelt.
Not in the GAA, you don't. It is an iron law of the league that the trumpets and cymbals that greet the opening rounds will gradually fizzle out as the weeks go by. The crowds that come out for the games this weekend in the cold and murk of January will be bigger and buzzier than the ones that stroll up in spring sunshine of late March. The league each year is Benjamin Button, growing smaller as time passes.
Kerry's David Clifford and Joe O'Connor lift the league trophy after last year's win over Mayo in the final. Photograph: Evan Treacy/Inpho
In part, this is because success in the league means so many different things to so many different people. Some teams need it to find players. Some teams need it to lay down markers. Some need it to build momentum and get out of a rut. Some don't need it at all and are just passing the months until the ground hardens and the real stuff starts.
On top of which, it changes from year to year, depending on circumstance. It suited Jack O'Connor for Kerry to go all-out to win last year's league. He was new to the gig – as new as you can be third time around. His players were bucking and pawing the dirt, he had no major injuries to rehab and a six-week break between the last round of the league and the Munster semi-final. He needed all the games and all the competition he could find.
He doesn't need that this time around. He needs time and space to get his best team back on the pitch. Between injuries, club run exhaustion and David Moran's retirement, the Kerry team O'Connor puts out against Donegal this weekend will only feature a handful of the players who started the All-Ireland final. Getting through the league is bound to be a higher priority for Kerry than winning it.
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This is the thing. Everybody everywhere has their own version of Kerry's situation. To go for the league, or not. To funnel all available time and resources into it, or not. As Gordon Manning laid out in these pages during the week, the past 20 years of league and championship football have shown a clear link between taking the secondary competition seriously and gaining success in the primary one. Armagh were the last Division Two winners of the All-Ireland, all the way back in 2002. You dismiss the league, you dismiss the championship.
Or at least that's how it has been. But how sure can we really be that the trend still holds? The championship has gone through another overhaul so at the very least we're stepping into the unknown in 2023. Those extra 39 games in the summer have to be planned for, folded in, tapered towards. How much of that can a county feasibly do while giving the league a true rattle?
Let's take Armagh for instance. Without doubt one of the teams who made the 2022 championship, only going out on penalties in the game of the year. Plainly on an upward curve, good age profile, entitled to fancy themselves in a one-off game against anybody. On the face of it, they fit the profile of a league winner in a year when Dublin are in Division Two and Kerry might not be all that bothered.
But look at what their dance card looks like come championship. They're in the preliminary round in Ulster six days after the league final. They haven't won the province in 15 years. If they're going to do it this year, it will mean winning four games in five weeks. They will probably have to play eight games in 11 weeks just to get back to the All-Ireland quarter-final and equal what they achieved in 2022. Could you predict with confidence what they will be looking for out of the league? Could they?
There are versions of those dynamics everywhere you look. Mayo and Roscommon face off the week after the league final – do either of them really want to be in it? There's a Connacht final on the cards for London, Sligo or Leitrim – is there any sense in them chasing a place in the Division Four final the weekend before they start clawing and scraping at each other?
Armagh's Rian O'Neill will look to build on a standout 2022 season this year. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
And what of the Tailteann Cup? Westmeath came third in Division Three last year and missed out on promotion to Limerick and Louth. But while both of them got tonked in their next game in the All-Ireland qualifiers, Westmeath went on a run through the new repercharge competition and ended their year with a Mardi Gras parade through the streets of Mullingar.
What's the lesson there for the teams fighting to stay in Division Two at the end of March? Do they burst every blood vessel to stay up and compete for an All-Ireland they can't win? Or do they take relegation as it comes and regroup for a Tailteann campaign in which they fear nobody and will likely be among the favourites? Whatever the answer is, they won't be saying it out loud.
All of this makes for intrigue and conjecture but none of it makes the task of working out what the league is for any simpler. For supporters, it's something to be at. For the 40 venues around the country that will host games, it's a jamboree.
Just for a day, just for a few hours but no small thing at the same time. For county boards, it's bums on seats. It's towns and villages around the land with more footfall, more buzz, a sense of something happening for the day. Don't imagine that doesn't matter.
But when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of the league itself, it's harder than ever to nail it to the wall. It's a million things at once. Strong because it has an indelible link to the championship. Weak because the championship has expanded to overshadow it even more than before. Exciting because more games matter now than was ever the case. Confusing because even when the league finals are done, it still won't be clear how much weight finishing positions will carry into the summer.
In the end, the league is the league is the league. It's the GAA's best competition, it's the GAA's most abused competition. It's dummy teams and fly goalies and refs cracking down on steps or handpasses or whatever it is this year.
It's sodden brass bands and the main stand is full and €2 a tea, €1 a bar and whatever the programme seller can get out of you. It's the new wing back and the old full forward and sure the manager ran the shit out of them on Saturday morning so they won't be winning today anyway. It's whatever you're having yourself.
It's good to have it back.
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Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.
Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue.
Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
Rebuilding was mainly done under Horan. In experimental mode more than Galway for this opening league game.
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.
Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue.
Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
It's not really a rebuild though when you drill down into it.
5 of the 8 that didn't play v Kerry will definitely be there come championship
barring injury (O Connor, O Shea, Durcan, Hennelly, E McLoughlin).
A 6th (Kevin McLoughlin) will probably be a sub this year.
The other 2 are Mullin and Keegan.
Ryan O Donoghue would have played against Kerry if he was fit.
When everyone is available it will probably be much the same team - with the possible introduction of 1-2 new lads along with the return of Conroy.
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin
Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin
Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Nine same starters from the All Ireland Quarter final last summer?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin
Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Nine same starters from the All Ireland Quarter final last summer?
Yeah plus Kelly who was out injured last year who'd have started if fit. Lot of good players not even on the bench. Very light for kickout options unless Murnin and Rian move out to midfield. Grimley, Mackin, O'Neill and Crealey who would all be good midfielders don't feature.
Roscommon team. U Harney,R Daly (Travel) N Kilroy,C McMeon,C Heneghan,E Nolan,D Murray (injured) missing from last year.
Colm Lavin (Eire Og)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Eoin McCormack (St Dominic's)
Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Keith Doyle (St Dominic's)
Robbie Dolan (St Brigids)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Conor Cox (Eire Og)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Monaghan,Tyrone,Donegal Div 1 teams that have yet to publish teams.
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin
Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Armagh are like Galway. Need a better panel in order to kick on. The team that did OK in 1999 was not the same as the team of 2002 that did the business.
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Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 02:47:16 AM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin
Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Armagh are like Galway. Need a better panel in order to kick on. The team that did OK in 1999 was not the same as the team of 2002 that did the business.
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Forward line is stacked and no matter what theres going to be very very good players left out. Defence is good if everyone is fit and available. Morgan, Greg McCabe and Ciaron O'Hanlon still to come in. Interested to see how McCambridge goes, superb player at club/college level so hope he can kick on.
Quote from: galwayman on January 27, 2023, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 27, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 27, 2023, 06:34:18 PM
Mayo team named. No subs published.
Colm Reape,Jack Coyne,Rory brickenden,Enda Hession,Stephen Coen,Conor Loftus, Donnacha McHugh,Matt Ruane,Diarmuid O'Connor,Fionn McDonagh,Jack Carney,Jordan Flynn,Aiden Orme,James Carr,Ryan O'Donoghue.
Eight changes from the one that started against Kerry in the AI quarter final last summer.
That's a big rebuild
It's not really a rebuild though when you drill down into it.
5 of the 8 that didn't play v Kerry will definitely be there come championship
barring injury (O Connor, O Shea, Durcan, Hennelly, E McLoughlin).
A 6th (Kevin McLoughlin) will probably be a sub this year.
The other 2 are Mullin and Keegan.
Ryan O Donoghue would have played against Kerry if he was fit.
When everyone is available it will probably be much the same team - with the possible introduction of 1-2 new lads along with the return of Conroy.
The Mayo team that came to the end in 2021 had been on the go since 2011 and was exceptional. People from other counties could name 5 or 6 players, if not more.
They were able to blend in new players and perform consistently at a high level because their loss ratio was low.
There have naturally been retirements. Getting back to that level is going to take time. The only way to know if a player or the team is good enough is to test it at championship speed.
Galway hurlers are in the same boat. The transition is a hoor.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 28, 2023, 06:25:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 02:47:16 AM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2023, 10:52:05 PM
Interesting Armagh team
Ross Finn starts
As does Mc Cambridge , cumiskey amd murnin
Bench somewhat weak
But all in all a decent side
Rafferty
Mc Kay forker Finn
O Neill Mc Cambridge burns
Campbell Sheridan
Cumiskt grugan Kelly
Nugent o Neill murnin
Would fancy Campbell moving in and o Neill
Moving out to get on the ball
Armagh are like Galway. Need a better panel in order to kick on. The team that did OK in 1999 was not the same as the team of 2002 that did the business.
.
Forward line is stacked and no matter what theres going to be very very good players left out. Defence is good if everyone is fit and available. Morgan, Greg McCabe and Ciaron O'Hanlon still to come in. Interested to see how McCambridge goes, superb player at club/college level so hope he can kick on.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/28/how-2002-all-ireland-winners-armagh-were-ahead-of-their-time/
How 2002 All-Ireland winners Armagh were ahead of their time
20 years on from their triumph, an insight into the methods behind the county's run to Sam Maguire
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Kieran McGeeney leads the Armagh team out in the 2002 Ulster final replay. Photograph: Patrick Bolger/Inpho
Denis Walsh
Sat Jan 28 2023 - 05:00
In the spring of 2002 Joe Kernan and his logistics manager Eamon Mackle discussed the outrageous possibility of a warm-weather training camp. As a management team they were new, and bold. By the middle of the decade all of the top teams had embraced the practice, but whoever did it first would be branded as punks. It reeked of professionalism or one-upmanship or sharp practice or something indefinably dare-devil. They didn't care.
Kernan asked Mackle how much it would cost and he didn't have a figure yet. They bounced it off Kieran McGeeney and Paul McGrane, the two most powerful figures in the Armagh dressing room, and after their first rush of enthusiasm they wondered about the cost too. "Boys, don't worry about the money," Kernan said to them. "That's Eamon's problem."
A day later Mackle booked 42 seats on a plane to Alicante. All-in, the cost of the trip amounted to €30,000. He told the travel agent that he'd return with the money in a couple of days. The county board was still unaware of the scheme.
In La Manga, three sessions a day were scheduled: on the field, in the gym, in the analysis room. Not a drop of alcohol passed their lips. To stimulate the Armagh free-takers, Kernan arranged a clinic with Dave Alred. By then, Jonny Wilkinson was Alred's most famous client, but his techniques were portable, from rugby to golf to soccer. Nobody in the GAA had ever considered him.
Only a few months earlier Armagh had arrived late for their qualifier match against Galway in Croke Park. After their warm-up at the Na Fianna grounds in Glasnevin, their Garda escort had failed to materialise. As they crawled through traffic for three tortuous kilometres, the players stewed in silence on the bus. The throw-in was delayed. Armagh were in a daze for 50 minutes. Galway won. How far were Armagh from winning the All-Ireland? Only dreamers would have indulged a guess.
Their trip to La Manga was bound to generate blow-back and traces of ridicule. One Belfast GAA writer suggested they would have been better off making a pilgrimage to Lourdes. Tyrone were waiting in the first round of the championship. Overnight, Armagh had grown into a tall poppy.
La Manga wasn't make-or-break: it was an emblem of their thinking and their determination to break boundaries. Kernan's vision was for a training environment bristling with best practice, from wherever he could source it. They were prepared to take risks. Why not? Everything tried before had failed already.
"We were criticised at the time for going to La Manga," says Stevie McDonnell now, "but it didn't take long for other teams to catch on. Hot-weather training camps became the normal thing for teams to do. We knew, at the time, that teams were trying to replicate what we were doing – not just with that."
Between theory and practice stood the players. It was a tripartite arrangement. Kernan and his lieutenants had no business bringing new ideas to closed minds. They knew their audience.
In that climate, all kinds of things grew. A few years ago, the author and journalist Niall McCoy traced the post-playing careers of the 30 members of the All-Ireland winning panel from 2002. What he discovered was staggering: 25 of them had turned to coaching, in one capacity or another. By last year, when McCoy wrote Kings For A Day, his terrific account of that Armagh team, the influence of those players had been felt across a dozen counties, at all levels of the game.
It is hard to think of another All-Ireland winning team that has made such a giant footprint on the GAA landscape. At the start of another intercounty season, McGeeney is still the Armagh manager, Tony McEntee is continuing with Sligo, Oisin McConville is starting out with Wicklow and Aidan O'Rourke is the new head coach with Donegal, his fifth role with a senior inter county team. On another track, Paul McDermott is manager of the Louth senior hurlers. In total, 13 of them have taken a role at intercounty level.
Was all of this obvious when they shared a dressing room? Who thinks that far ahead? Looking back, though, you wonder how much they were shaped by each other, and by that shared time in their lives? What were the dynamics of a group with so many strong wills and restless minds? How did it work? Who made it work?
For a start, Kernan and his assistant Paul Grimley allowed them to breathe. They understood that this arrangement needed to be a partnership. They gave them space. John McEntee says that they "empowered" the players, which, 20 years ago, would have been an enlightened approach in a GAA dressing room. Grimley said that they developed the practice of leaving the players on their own for "10 or 15 minutes" before big matches, and making themselves scarce.
"At half-time in matches, they trusted the players a lot of the time too," says McDonnell. "Not all of the time, but if things weren't going particularly well, they trusted the players to deal with the situation among ourselves."
"Joe wanted the players to take ownership," says McEntee, "not just of what happened on the field but what happened off the field. Taking responsibility for yourself, but sometimes taking responsibility for your teammates as well. Looking back now, it kind of feels like it was sowing the seeds for what the future held for us. When you went into management, it wasn't entirely alien to you. You had a flavour of it, albeit in a protected space."
Within the group there was a hierarchy. McGeeney and McGrane were the head of government and head of state. If something needed to be communicated to Kernan and Grimley from a players' meeting, they brought the message. According to one player, those meetings were sometimes "spicy." For their part, the players lived in a tropical climate: heavy downpours, hot winds.
"There was conflict," says McDonnell. "Mainly at team meetings. If there was a point that people disagreed on, it would be ironed out and dealt with there and then. There was conflict in our training sessions. There were many, many times when there were fights in training, but it was part and parcel of us and the team that we were. Once we left the training field it was dealt with – it was simple, that was it. There was no falling out."
Aaron Kernan arrived into this group as a young player in the autumn of 2003. Bedding-in involved an element of watchfulness. "There were so many strong personalities," he says, "you wouldn't open your mouth for years. You wouldn't feel it was your place to add anything credible. You kept your head down and your mouth shut. Those players didn't have to be led because they set so many high standards, and that sort of polices itself. It didn't mean huge, intense meetings with management, setting out their stall. The players wanted this.
"Kieran [McGeeney] set the tone in terms of how he prepared. He didn't accept any bullshit. He didn't really accept any excuses and you wouldn't die wondering how he felt if you asked the wrong question or did the wrong thing. Standards were high, but sure they needed to be high. I came into a team that had just been in two All-Ireland finals in a row."
The demands they made on themselves were projected onto the management too. Before Joe Kernan took over, Armagh had won two Ulster titles under the joint management of Brian McAlinden and Brian Canavan, their first provincial titles in nearly 20 years. And yet, at the end of 2001, the board pushed against them, without any resistance from the players.
"We had done relatively well by Armagh standards in the late 90s, and yet it wasn't good enough because we hadn't won an All-Ireland," says McEntee. "The two Brians, even after winning two Ulsters in-a-row (1999 and 2000), were replaced by Joe. The attitude among the players was, 'Listen, what we're doing is not good enough – we need to do better.' Joe was there for six years and, like everything, his time came to an end as well. Part of that was maybe some influence from the players.
"I don't want to paint a picture that there was conflict with the management all the time, there wasn't. But in some way we used conflict to help drive high performance."
In his career after football Enda McNulty became one of the leading performance coaches in the country, in sport and in business. His portfolio of clients over the years included the Leinster and Irish rugby teams, as well as a host of GAA teams and individual athletes. His second book on leadership, Commit 2 Lead, will be published next month, and he has flourished in this arena. Some of the things he did towards the end of his Armagh career, though, he would counsel his clients against now. In that febrile environment, everyone was pushing.
"I regret, that in some cases, I would have pushed too hard [in asking questions of the management]," he says. "Towards the end of my career, I definitely pushed too hard, no doubt about that. I probably asked big questions where, in hindsight, I wasn't as diplomatic as I should have been."
What consistently energised the group, though, was innovation. Kernan was a master of looking outside and importing something that could be adapted. In 2002, for example, they enlisted Darren O'Neill, a basketball coach. His talent was to break down other teams and identify patterns. In McNulty's position in the full-back line there was value in knowing how his opponent liked to receive the ball and what runs he favoured. O'Neill devised what would now be called heat maps. The information would be communicated simply, with Xs on a piece of paper, but the message was clear.
"All I had to do at half-time," says McNulty, "was give him a nod and he'd come over. 'Don't give him any space here, close him down here.' Just magnificent. Innovation was applied in a way that could significantly help your performance."
Kernan kept searching. A year after they went to La Manga, the Armagh players were brought to Bath Rugby club. Shaun Edwards, one of the most successful defence coaches in rugby, got them thinking about the tackle as a two-man operation: the first contact to stop the player in possession, the second contact to strip the ball. It was different and insightful and practical.
Armagh filmed some of their training sessions. They worked on the mechanics of running with John McCloskey. They embraced the gym as a season-long module of their training, and not just a winter pursuit. Twenty years ago, none of these things were common practice.
Very quickly, Kernan assembled a greater management team that included 16 people, across a range of disciplines. They had two sports psychologists when most teams didn't have one; Hugh Campbell and Des Jennings worked in tandem. In McGeeney's long career in management with Kildare and Armagh, Campbell has been with him for every season. McGeeney is a tough audience but that was the impact Campbell made.
One year they brought in Billy Dixon. His background was working with politicians and one of his areas of speciality was body language. For a team that traded so heavily on aggression and physical power, this theatre of combat was non-contact. Aaron Kernan loved it.
"Body language was massive," he says. "It was something that has stuck with me forever. How you go onto the field, how you act in times of pressure, what way you hold yourself. Never letting your opponent know that you were tired. Never letting him know you how you really felt. If you went up the pitch and kicked a point, you sprinted back, even if your lungs were burning inside."
For the Armagh players in that group who had a mind to coach it is impossible to quantify how much they were influenced by that environment, and impossible to believe that they weren't affected by it. They were constantly challenged to think differently and respond to new stimuli and to never stop wondering how they could be better. As coaches in later life, that was the bar. *
During that period, Armagh won six Ulster titles in eight years, and one All-Ireland. When they had never won an All-Ireland in their history, one felt like a lot at first. Over time, that feeling came under siege.
They get together every so often, and they were in each other's company again a few months ago. McNulty found himself at the bar with his great friend Diarmuid Marsden, re-threading a conversation they have had many times before.
"We knew at the time," says McNulty, "that what we had was unique. That we had a once-in-a-lifetime group of leaders in the changing room, and that we had some incredibly talented players. We knew that. We also had a huge sense of, 'Let's maximise this time together.' I can't speak on behalf of my team mates, but I definitely have a huge sense of unfinished business.
"It's part of what drives me today. I have a sense of I could have and should achieved much more as a player and now I'm still playing catch-up. At this hour of my life, I'm ok with that vulnerability. I achieved about a quarter of what I wanted to achieve. It drives me. I was up at six o'clock this morning getting ready for work with a global management team [with Acceleron in Zurich] and I think if I'd won five or six All-Irelands, I might be a little bit soft."
The crusades continue.
Jesus but it's fine lines too. Thornton fists the ball over the bar in injury time and armagh are gone. Sitter
There were fine lines throughout that campaign.
Eoin Brosnan's very, very narrow wide in the final
Ray Cosgrove's missed free in the semi
Sligo's penalty claim in the QF replay
Dara McGarty's fisted equaliser should have been a goal
... and Richard Thornton......
That's football...
Irish Times previews
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/28/weekend-gaelic-games-previews/
Saturday
DIVISION ONE
Monaghan v Armagh, St Mary's Park, Castleblayney, 6.30 (Live BBC iPlayer) – A testing campaign beckons for Monaghan, who between retirements and travel will need to find a number of new faces, starting on Saturday. Stephen O'Hanlon is back involved but a number of experienced players – Conor McManus and the Hughes's – aren't quite ready. Armagh were nearly caught in this fixture last year but the trajectory of both teams has been contrasting in the interim. Kieran McGeeney has also added to his panel during the McKenna Cup and the visitors look primed to kick on this year. Verdict: Armagh
Mayo v Galway, Hastings MacHale Park 7.30 (Live RTÉ2/RTÉ Player) – Connacht football has been so finely balanced that any slight shift can have consequences. Both teams will want to make a statement at the start of the year: Galway, to build on last year's success and Mayo, to get the Kevin McStay management regime off to a good start. The Connacht champions are short players because of injury and travel whereas the home side have the 'bounce' of a first FBD win in 11 years. The teams played earlier this month and Mayo's energy and hard work was a key part of the victory. This fixture has a volatile recent history but Mayo can make a positive start. Verdict: Mayo
SUNDAY
DIVISION ONE
Roscommon v Tyrone, Dr Hyde Park, 1.30 (Deferred, TG4; live on tg4.ie) – Roscommon have an energetic new manager and probably need to start well if they are to stabilise and stay put in this division. Davy Burke set himself the task of a thorough trawl of players during preseason despite the relatively late appointment. Tyrone arrive just after a McKenna Cup mauling by Derry, albeit not with their first team, but it did feature 'access all areas' defending. The visitors desperately need to get back on track after a dismal 2022. They can manage that. Verdict: Tyrone
Donegal v Kerry, Ballybofey, 2.0 (Live, TG4) – The usual pomp and ceremony of a first league match for All-Ireland champions is well mitigated by Kerry's 'unavailable' list, which brings some cheer to the home side. Jack O'Connor is on the record as aiming a little less ambitiously in this league and will be happy to add to his panel and road-test his options in the absence of David Clifford, who is due a major rest after the heroics of the past 12 months. Donegal have to come to terms with Michael Murphy's retirement and its off-field as well as on-field implications. Given the weakness of the champions, there's a chance for Paddy Carr's team in his first major match but it's hard to be certain. Verdict: Kerry
Monaghan team. Ryan McAnespie; Darren Hughes, Niall Kearns;Kieran Hughes, Conor McManus missing from last year.
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Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 02:33:21 PM
Irish Times previews
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/28/weekend-gaelic-games-previews/
Saturday
DIVISION ONE
Monaghan v Armagh, St Mary's Park, Castleblayney, 6.30 (Live BBC iPlayer) – A testing campaign beckons for Monaghan, who between retirements and travel will need to find a number of new faces, starting on Saturday. Stephen O'Hanlon is back involved but a number of experienced players – Conor McManus and the Hughes's – aren't quite ready. Armagh were nearly caught in this fixture last year but the trajectory of both teams has been contrasting in the interim. Kieran McGeeney has also added to his panel during the McKenna Cup and the visitors look primed to kick on this year. Verdict: Armagh
How many times have we read this kind of analysis on the first game of the league and it's been proved to be off the mark. First round and last round always throw up a few surprises!!
Big Fenton felt that one. Kildare look open at the back but Dubs wasteful so far!
59% of intercounty matches this year will happen in the League. It's fantastic to have games again.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 28, 2023, 06:05:42 PM
Big Fenton felt that one. Kildare look open at the back but Dubs wasteful so far!
Wrong thread!
Looks like my comment on Galway yesterday will be correct.
QuoteWon't be many if any of the other Div 1 teams starting with so many first choice players in round 1 in the league
Amazing what educated guess can do.
Just realised wrong thread!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 28, 2023, 06:17:06 PM
Just realised wrong thread!
Probably just assumed Dublin were still in Div 1
Quote from: Main Street on January 28, 2023, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 28, 2023, 06:17:06 PM
Just realised wrong thread!
Probably just assumed Dublin were still in Div 1
Watching the Dubs in action tonight you can somewhat see why they fell to Div 2.
Monaghan off to a good start, 0-4 to 0-1 after 20 mins. Hurson looking like a bit of a homer tonight.
Monaghan playing much better.
My annual gripe - Jemar Hall offers nothing, why is he on?. Hurson giving nothing.
Where that Monaghan game at?
its a tough watch. Armagh really defensive
G, long time since I was down there. G keeper got bck, had it, then dropped it, oops!
Shocker of a goal
Armagh ahead with that goal. Not sure if it was over the line though. Given nonetheless.
What on earth was Beggan at?
Anyone got a link to watch Armagh v Monaghan ?
Please, thank you..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0dvlkdy
1-4 to 0-7 at the break. Armagh will need to improve 2nd half to win this game.
Armagh pretty shite. Hall a waste, Soupy a waste in MF, put a proper MFer on and move Souoy to HF. We did hit an awful wides.
Michael Murphy very good on co commentary.
Will McGeeny put on the B team in the second half?
That Armagh game dropped off, switched over to the Mayo game.
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Monghan is pure 100% Oriel but just 20% Farney
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Educate me - what should it be called?
think the tv scoreboard is wrong here. Its saying armagh are 3 up but i think its only 2
Monaghan 1-8 Armagh 1-10. Scored penalty has Monaghan back into the game. 15 minutes to play.
Lively start in the Mayo v Galway game 1-3 to 1-2 to the tribesmen after 18 minutes.
Quote from: straightred on January 28, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
think the tv scoreboard is wrong here. Its saying armagh are 3 up but i think its only 2
Yes, the Oriel county are on 1-08
Quote from: straightred on January 28, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
think the tv scoreboard is wrong here. Its saying armagh are 3 up but i think its only 2
they've fixed it
Cracking goal from Carr, enjoying this game.
What happened to Scotstown's Jack Carron in the first few minutes?
Quote from: Orior on January 28, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Educate me - what should it be called?
It's usually called Farney
Two point win for Armagh the lucky goal was helpful.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 28, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Educate me - what should it be called?
It's usually called Farney
Dundalk has an Oriel connection??
GAA Go production wasn't great there, no replays for the goals, switching cameras for replays that don't happen, wrong venue name St Tiernachs Clones
Would want to improve with them getting so much extra matches and coverage now. Although I'm not sure if it was BBC doing it there and then just screening their coverage
I'd much rather Lee Keegan was playing than talking .
The best thing about the game was Michael Murphy's intelligent clear diction.
From a Monaghan (the one and true Oriel county) perspective, it was a bad loss considering how rusty Armagh were for long stretches. An awful 15 minutes in the second half where Monaghan persisted with the long kick out, lost every one and Armagh converted 6 well taken points. A bit of a rally from Monaghan in the latter stages but Armagh didn't panic (too much) when just a point ahead and worked well to keep a sufficient gap. Overall Armagh have a very effective tactical gameplan with a host of technically gifted footballers, I don't know about Monaghan just yet, but clearly there's much work for Vinnie Corey et al.
The camera angles are poor in Blaney, at least I couldn't get a proper view of action in both halves, as well as BBC's replay function going on strike.
Mayo hit the front 1-6 to 1-5 43 minutes played.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 28, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Educate me - what should it be called?
It's usually called Farney
And most of Armagh is in the barony of Orior 🙂
McDaid is fabulous.
Quote from: Orior on January 28, 2023, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 28, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
RTE called Monaghan the Oriel County
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0128/1352363-allianz-football-league-round-1-updates/
Monaghan 0-03 Armagh 0-01
Rory Beggan lands a massive free. The Oriel County are taking their chances.
Tsk tsk
Educate me - what should it be called?
It's usually called Farney
And most of Armagh is in the barony of Orior 🙂
GAA competitions based on baronies instead of counties would be gas
Why do refs constantly and absolutely abuse the privilege of having a black card?
that was a shocking decision there, never a black. but in fairness to joe, it looked like the call might have been made by the umpires
One on McShea was plain as day, lad dragged him down.
galway take the piss wasting time while on a black card
Who's the Mayo lad went down holding his face with both hands, then popped up again when he saw they played on, worse than soccer players these days.
Who else but O'connor. He's a cheat. Always has been. Always a diver and getting reds for cheap shots.
Very entertaining game of football.
5th minute of injury time equaliser for Mayo to grab a draw. Fine strike by O'Donoghue. Draw probably a fair result.
I agree. Good to see Mayo starting well.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 08:44:18 PM
McDaid is fabulous.
Cost Galway the game, idiot stuff.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2023, 09:09:29 PM
5th minute of injury time equaliser for Mayo to grab a draw. Fine strike by O'Donoghue. Draw probably a fair result.
Galway milked the clock during both their blacks. Draw is a bit of justice in that regard
typical mayo game, helter-skelter stuff
Change of management, overhaul of players and roles . But it looks like Mayo are all set for another Mayo season.
Any Mayo ones able to offer some insight on why Conor Loftus is now a starting CHB, when he's not a county standard player?
Quote from: Rudi on January 28, 2023, 09:11:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 08:44:18 PM
McDaid is fabulous.
Cost Galway the game, idiot stuff.
He made the Kelly goal. That's probably more important. For later on.
It's good to be in Division 1.
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 28, 2023, 09:11:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 08:44:18 PM
McDaid is fabulous.
Cost Galway the game, idiot stuff.
He made the Kelly goal. That's probably more important. For later on.
It's good to be in Division 1.
Hes a serious player, no doubt about that, but why did he have to pull O Shea down & hold him down, when he was not in a threatening position.
A draw is far closer to a loss than a win in a 7 game league.
A point a piece benefits the other 6 teams far more than Galway and Mayo.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2023, 09:13:11 PM
Any Mayo ones able to offer some insight on why Conor Loftus is now a starting CHB, when he's not a county standard player?
One of McStays traits as manager has been playing a forward in defence. Harsh to stay he's not county standard or be it he hasn't reached the promise as a underage player
Good couple of tough games to start the year. Galway will be annoyed at having given it right back to O'Donoghue after the poor attempt from the sideline, especially as Kevin McLoughlin seemed determined to make sure Mayo didn't win when he came on.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 28, 2023, 09:18:31 PM
A draw is far closer to a loss than a win in a 7 game league.
A point a piece benefits the other 6 teams far more than Galway and Mayo.
there will probably be more draws
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 28, 2023, 09:18:31 PM
A draw is far closer to a loss than a win in a 7 game league.
A point a piece benefits the other 6 teams far more than Galway and Mayo.
there will probably be more draws
More than likely. Round 1 last year had three draws in this Division.
Happy to get the win in Monaghan tonight. Poor first half. Excellent start to the second half. A lot to work out. Entertaining second half overall
Draw a fair result although we should have sneaked it, two poor giveaway scores at the end. Soft free for Galway to take the lead but Mayo got about three of those themselves. Mayo better team in general, Galway had flashes but clearly flagged after HT when Mayo upped it, tough night for football to be fair.
Will judge Galway at the end of the league, very hard to know where they are at currently given the late return. Injury to Finnerty is bad for Galway and a disaster for his college given his Sigerson form. Culhane in a boot apparently according to Maurice Brosnan of the Irish Examiner.
Cooke showed glimpses, that clipped pass into Sweeney near the end was next level and although he won't be called upon for frees once Walsh returns showed what he has in the locker, some kick off the deck in that weather.
Sean Kelly is just a great bit of stuff and tough as nails, himself and Daly the key men. Dessie might just be a really top club player who can't make the jump to IC, not putting the hand up bar the Derry league match last year. The other new Moycullen lads on the team tonight looked more the part.
Slack black card from McDaid but that has happened him in league games before, cost Galway in Tralee in 2020, once he's right for April I don't mind.
Will we ever solve the goalkeeper situation and kick outs? I feel like it's just going to be never ending at this stage, so many of our restarts are total 50/50 situations. I know there is more logic behind how that is managed and the stats behind the effectiveness of them even if you lose possession but other teams just seem to retain their own kick outs so much easier.
Tough evening for Dublin Joe! Most of his frees were guess work for him for both sides. Modern players have learned how to dive, fall, exaggerate the the tackle on them and feign injury. It's a nightmare for referees especially in slippy conditions. The Black card is still not the finished article, but it is a help in stopping some certain dark arts. But you often feel most lads that get one get it for the wrong reasons.
A good point for both sides. Especially Mayo who have a really terrible record in McHale Park.
Galway are a lot smarter under Joyce. Their kick-outs are more planned and their time wasting during Black card sin bins was clever. Maximum time was used up when any player got contact to receive treatment and when taking frees.
I'm still not convinced, either team will trouble Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone later on in the year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 28, 2023, 10:56:07 PM
Tough evening for Dublin Joe! Most of his frees were guess work for him for both sides. Modern players have learned how to dive, fall, exaggerate the the tackle on them and feign injury. It's a nightmare for referees especially in slippy conditions. The Black card is still not the finished article, but it is a help in stopping some certain dark arts. But you often feel most lads that get one get it for the wrong reasons.
A good point for both sides. Especially Mayo who have a really terrible record in McHale Park.
Galway are a lot smarter under Joyce. Their kick-outs are more planned and their time wasting during Black card sin bins was clever. Maximum time was used up when any player got contact to receive treatment and when taking frees.
I'm still not convinced, either team will trouble Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone later on in the year.
What makes you convinced those two will be much better than last year?
Tyrone team for tomorrow as expected plenty of changes from the McKenna Cup final
Niall Morgan
Micheal McKernan
Cormac Monroe
Padraig Hampsey;
Cormac Quinn
Peter Harte
Niall Devlin
Brian Kennedy
Richard Donnelly;
David Mulgrew
Conn Kilpatrick
Conor Meyler
Cathal McShane
Mattie Donnelly
Darragh Canavan
Subs - Benny Gallen,Frank Burns,Conor Cush,Rory Donnelly,Ryan Jones,Nathan McCarron,Peter Og McCartan,Darren McCurry,Kieran McGeary,Emmett McNabb,Niall Sludden.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on January 28, 2023, 10:56:07 PM
Tough evening for Dublin Joe! Most of his frees were guess work for him for both sides. Modern players have learned how to dive, fall, exaggerate the the tackle on them and feign injury. It's a nightmare for referees especially in slippy conditions. The Black card is still not the finished article, but it is a help in stopping some certain dark arts. But you often feel most lads that get one get it for the wrong reasons.
A good point for both sides. Especially Mayo who have a really terrible record in McHale Park.
Galway are a lot smarter under Joyce. Their kick-outs are more planned and their time wasting during Black card sin bins was clever. Maximum time was used up when any player got contact to receive treatment and when taking frees.
I'm still not convinced, either team will trouble Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone later on in the year.
What makes you convinced those two will be much better than last year?
Don't think they are world beaters, just better than Galway/Mayo.
Probably a fair result in the end although Galway won't be happy with the two giveaways for the final 2 Mayo points. Young Sweeney in particular took the completely wrong option in trying a kick pass out of defence in the dying seconds. If he just held on to it he would probably have been fouled. If he had just booted it off the pitch altogether it was probably all over. Just don't kick it directly to their main forward. A costly mistake for him to learn. Just don't repeat it.
Good game though. Mayo clearly had much more in the legs than Galway had. You would have expected that before the game given how late Galway got back together. Made a difference down the stretch. You could see some of the Galway lads blowing a bit late on. Last Galway free to go ahead looked more like a slip than a foul but Mayo got a few very soft ones themselves from Joe during the 2nd half. He also missed a Galway 45 after the Mayo keeper touched a high ball wide. In fact every official seemed to miss it. Overturned a Galway sideline to make it a hop ball which Mayo won late in the game as well. He was just all over the place with his decisions. For both sides.
Finnerty injury a big worry now. Looked like he kicked the diving Mayo player on the follow through after he kicked a point. Or maybe the Mayo lad landed on him awkwardly. Was hard to see. With Culhane in a moon boot already that is two form forwards who could miss a lot of the league. Shane might only be back for the last couple games as it is. Not sure if Dessie is going to get many more chances. He's just not cutting it at the moment. Not sure why PJ doesn't seem to want to use Owen Gallagher at all. He's a big lad with a burst of pace over the first few yards and usually makes good decisions. Yet, can't get off the bench at all. Even as a sub.
McDaid is such a fabulous player. Mayo were well warned though as every time he picked up the ball there were 3 or 4 descending on him straight away. They weren't going to let him make any of those driving runs but he was still very good apart from the brain fart for the black card. Bit of a worry seeing a big strapping on his knee though. You'd wonder how fit he really is at the moment. For a lad who's had injury troubles in the past.
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Quote from: Rudi on January 28, 2023, 09:11:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 08:44:18 PM
McDaid is fabulous.
Cost Galway the game, idiot stuff.
He made the Kelly goal. That's probably more important. For later on.
It's good to be in Division 1.
Hes a serious player, no doubt about that, but why did he have to pull O Shea down & hold him down, when he was not in a threatening position.
Especially as the ref was already playing advantage to Mayo from what I saw
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 28, 2023, 10:56:07 PM
Tough evening for Dublin Joe! Most of his frees were guess work for him for both sides. Modern players have learned how to dive, fall, exaggerate the the tackle on them and feign injury. It's a nightmare for referees especially in slippy conditions. The Black card is still not the finished article, but it is a help in stopping some certain dark arts. But you often feel most lads that get one get it for the wrong reasons.
A good point for both sides. Especially Mayo who have a really terrible record in McHale Park.
Galway are a lot smarter under Joyce. Their kick-outs are more planned and their time wasting during Black card sin bins was clever. Maximum time was used up when any player got contact to receive treatment and when taking frees.
I'm still not convinced, either team will trouble Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone later on in the year.
Probably agree that neither team will win the AI yeah.
Don't agree at all that our kick outs are more planned though.
I lost count of the number of times that Gleeson just launched a 50-50
Ball up the middle. That's not a kickout strategy.
Have we learned nothing from last year?
Overall though I'm not disappointed with the point. Hoping Finnertys injury isn't serious and also hope Tomo's injury playing Sigerson isn't too bad either as he seems to be in decent form.
Mulcahy and Kelly had decent enough debuts.
The game will bring Damo on a lot. He's only back in the country a few weeks.
Sean Kelly is some baller.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 28, 2023, 10:31:27 PM
Happy to get the win in Monaghan tonight. Poor first half. Excellent start to the second half. A lot to work out. Entertaining second half overall
GAAGO had the game in Clones
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Quote from: tonto1888 on January 28, 2023, 10:31:27 PM
Happy to get the win in Monaghan tonight. Poor first half. Excellent start to the second half. A lot to work out. Entertaining second half overall
GAAGO had the game in Clones
3 different radio stations in Dublin stated that the game was at 7pm.
The great accordion player Joe Cooley said that "Irish music is the only thing that brings people to their senses" .
Managing Mayo seems to have a similar effect on Kevin Mc Stay.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1619446788607328256
Rochford is managing them by all accounts and appearances!
The big day has arrived, the Burke era begins, Tyrone coming to town.....but memories of that Clare game still haunt me and are blocking the normal excitement of NFL day one.
Hoping for a win naturally but fearful of a bad batin'.....
It's a funny old game. Mayo probably should have won it, but you have to make sure the shots go over the bar and not drop short for that to happen. Then again, Galway will argue they had similar arguments for a win for their side.
Reasonably happy with the draw. Mayo will have to keep up the intensity levels for the year because the options taken by some of the forwards was not good enough for top level.
Forwards have been Mayo's Aughrim for a long time.
No idea why.
Those 2 errors by breggan could be the undoing of monaghan division one status. You would have thought that he learned from the mistakes last year.
Poorly executed kick out then the mistake was further compounded by the horlicks he made of the subsequent shot. Agree, in that league, it could prove very costly
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 10:21:56 AM
Forwards have been Mayo's Aughrim for a long time.
No idea why.
This is overstated a bit. Cillian O'Connor has put up historical scoring returns, I'd take Ryan O'Donoghue in Galway in the morning, albeit he froze up with the peno in 2021.
It's lads like Aidan O'Shea who can't score on the big day that killed them and we saw that ourselves in 2022, Galway only needed one other forward to fire a reasonable total last July outside of Walsh to win and we didn't have it either, and this iteration of Galway mightn't get another shot or as good a chance again. Kerry had a plan to stop Comer and that gave more scope for the rest but Finnerty, Tierney and Kelly had a blank return, Walsh obviously took his man to the cleaners.
Galway have a lot to work on as I thought Mayo were on top for good portions of that game, we had plenty of the first 15 out, more than Mayo I'd say. Rossies next week at home is obviously a must win to keep on track.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 29, 2023, 10:46:37 AM
Those 2 errors by breggan could be the undoing of monaghan division one status. You would have thought that he learned from the mistakes last year.
Yeah nice gift for us. Would like to think we'd have done enough to win either way and we gifted them a goal with a silly penalty as well. Delighted to be coming out of Blayney with 2 points!
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 29, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 10:21:56 AM
Forwards have been Mayo's Aughrim for a long time.
No idea why.
This is overstated a bit. Cillian O'Connor has put up historical scoring returns, I'd take Ryan O'Donoghue in Galway in the morning, albeit he froze up with the peno in 2021.
It's lads like Aidan O'Shea who can't score on the big day that killed them and we saw that ourselves in 2022, Galway only needed one other forward to fire a reasonable total last July outside of Walsh to win and we didn't have it either, and this iteration of Galway mightn't get another shot or as good a chance again. Kerry had a plan to stop Comer and that gave more scope for the rest but Finnerty, Tierney and Kelly had a blank return, Walsh obviously took his man to the cleaners.
Galway have a lot to work on as I thought Mayo were on top for good portions of that game, we had plenty of the first 15 out, more than Mayo I'd say. Rossies next week at home is obviously a must win to keep on track.
Conceding goals many of them soft ones has been Mayos main issue. No improvement in that regard again last night.
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 29, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
I imagine some club and county keepers around the country will be disgusted with it.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 29, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
For the amount of shots a keeper faces on average I'd be more than willing to accept that trade off with the distance he offers on kickouts and what he obviously offers as the extra man. He's as good a forward as there is around too!
Is this Tyrone game on anywhere?
Tng player app.
Surely TG4 can do something about the rain on the camera ffs.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:03:32 PM
Surely TG4 can do something about the rain on the camera ffs.
In this day and age.
It's laughable.
Roscommon 0-8 Tyrone 0-5 half time.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 29, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 10:21:56 AM
Forwards have been Mayo's Aughrim for a long time.
No idea why.
This is overstated a bit. Cillian O'Connor has put up historical scoring returns, I'd take Ryan O'Donoghue in Galway in the morning, albeit he froze up with the peno in 2021.
It's lads like Aidan O'Shea who can't score on the big day that killed them and we saw that ourselves in 2022, Galway only needed one other forward to fire a reasonable total last July outside of Walsh to win and we didn't have it either, and this iteration of Galway mightn't get another shot or as good a chance again. Kerry had a plan to stop Comer and that gave more scope for the rest but Finnerty, Tierney and Kelly had a blank return, Walsh obviously took his man to the cleaners.
Galway have a lot to work on as I thought Mayo were on top for good portions of that game, we had plenty of the first 15 out, more than Mayo I'd say. Rossies next week at home is obviously a must win to keep on track.
I had a look at the last 10 all Ireland finals featuring Mayo . In most of them there was the same pattern :
Low scoring games except 04 and 06 . Mayo didn't often get to 20 points
No marquee forward a la Murphy or Comer. No 2 or 3 marquee forwards.
One decent freetaker, one who scores max 6 points and the rest scoring 1 or 2 points.
No consistency in the top forward over say 3 finals .
Fantastic backs and midfields.
Lee Keegan
The forwards have been the problem.
96 draw Maurice Sheridan 0–4, Ray Dempsey 1–0, James Horan 0–3, Colm McManamon 0–1, P. J. Loftus 0–1
96 replay Maurice Sheridan 0–5, James Horan 0–5, P. J. Loftus 1–0, John Casey 0–1
97 scored 1-7
04 scored 2-9
06 3-5 K O'Neill 2-0, P Harte 1-0, C Mortimer 0-3, B J Padden, C McDonald 0-1 each
12 0-13 K. McLoughlin (0–02, 1 free)C. O'Connor (0–05, 5 frees) M. Conroy (0–01)E. Varley (0–02, 1 free)R. Feeney (0–01) L. Keegan (0–01) J. Gibbons (0–01)
13 1-14 L Keegan (0-2), S O'Shea (0-1), K Higgins (0-1), C O'Connor (0-8, 0-8f), A Moran (1-2)
16 draw 0-15 Cillian O'Connor (0–7) Donal Vaughan 0-2 Alan Moran 0–2 Patrick Durcan 0-1Tom Parsons 0-1 Alan Dillon 0-1Jason Doherty 0–1
16 replay 1-14 Cillian O'Connor 0–9 Lee Keegan 1–0 Patrick Durcan 0–2 Andy Moran 0-1Diarmuid O'Connor 0-1
Kevin McLoughlin 0–1
17 1-16
Cillian O'Connor 0–7 (0-4f) Lee Keegan 1–0 Andy Moran 0–3 Kevin McLoughlin 0–2Jason Doherty 0–2 Donal Vaughan 0–1 Colm Boyle 0–1
20 0-15 C O'Connor 9 (5fs, 2ms); R O'Donoghue 2; O Mullen 1, C Loftus 1, S Coen 1 (m), D Coen 1.
21 0-15 Ryan O'Donoghue 0–8 (0-7f), Tommy Conroy 0–2, Robbie Hennelly (0-1f), Lee Keegan, Patrick Durcan, Stephen Coen, Kevin McLoughlin 0–1 each
Armagh, Monaghan and now Donegal all conceding silly avoidable goals!
Quote from: J70 on January 29, 2023, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:03:32 PM
Surely TG4 can do something about the rain on the camera ffs.
In this day and age.
It's laughable.
I was saying the same last year, and was told its to do with the set ups at some of the older grounds. That's not just as easily fixed as it seems and needs considerable investment at those grounds. Just seems like you could wipe the lense with a cloth lol, but was told its not that simple
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:18:32 PM
Armagh, Monaghan and now Donegal all conceding silly avoidable goals!
Donegal players are constantly getting the ball stripped, cleanly, out of their hands when trying to carry it around Kerry players.
Just gave up 1-1 in the last couple of minutes alone.
Edit: make that 1-2
Decent game so far with Kerry and Donegal, some good scores but McCole made a terrible blunder to gift Kerry a goal. Roche looks another find for Kerry at full forward.
Quote from: J70 on January 29, 2023, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:18:32 PM
Armagh, Monaghan and now Donegal all conceding silly avoidable goals!
Donegal players are constantly getting the ball stripped, cleanly, out of their hands when trying to carry it around Kerry players.
Just gave up 1-1 in the last couple of minutes alone.
Edit: make that 1-2
Only January and all but Donegal not great considering they're at home and the players Kerry are missing!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:29:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 29, 2023, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:18:32 PM
Armagh, Monaghan and now Donegal all conceding silly avoidable goals!
Donegal players are constantly getting the ball stripped, cleanly, out of their hands when trying to carry it around Kerry players.
Just gave up 1-1 in the last couple of minutes alone.
Edit: make that 1-2
Only January and all but Donegal not great considering they're at home and the players Kerry are missing!
Donegal are missing a rake of players too, but we should be putting up a better show than this.
Kerry look physically miles ahead of us.
Every tackle/encounter they're coming out on top.
Better last five minutes from Donegal there. Hopefully the likes of McGroddy with that last point will get a bit of belief.
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
It's definitely interesting to watch. One thing though, he ain't a shot stopper, as was shown both last night and in All Ireland Q/Final last year, can't see Ethan saving a penalty any time soon. But great to watch going forward.
RTE feed has Gavin Mulreany as the Donegal keeper?
Does their GAA staff not know what Sean Patton looks like after all this time?
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:03:32 PM
Surely TG4 can do something about the rain on the camera ffs.
In this day and age.
It's laughable.
I was saying the same last year, and was told its to do with the set ups at some of the older grounds. That's not just as easily fixed as it seems and needs considerable investment at those grounds. Just seems like you could wipe the lense with a cloth lol, but was told its not that simple
Unfortunately in Ballybofey, that camera is looking directly into the rain and wind blowing in from the west.
Surely they could set up some kind of shelter though?
Or throw a scaffold up behind the stand and film from the other side.
Ros still leading. Hon the Rossies.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 29, 2023, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
It's definitely interesting to watch. One thing though, he ain't a shot stopper, as was shown both last night and in All Ireland Q/Final last year, can't see Ethan saving a penalty any time soon. But great to watch going forward.
Does a keeper really need to be a shot stopper these days? He's decent enough at making saves 1v1 from play. Anyway his main competition has left the panel. Think he adds more with other qualities than he detracts with his shot stopping.
Ros go for the jugular with another goal. Fantastic character
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 03:12:00 PM
Ros go for the jugular with another goal. Fantastic character
score??
Tyrone on the back foot already you want to be beating the newly promoted teams!!
Some win for the Rossies. 3-11 to 1-12. 2021 U20s already making their mark.
Quote from: J70 on January 29, 2023, 02:21:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 02:18:32 PM
Armagh, Monaghan and now Donegal all conceding silly avoidable goals!
Donegal players are constantly getting the ball stripped, cleanly, out of their hands when trying to carry it around Kerry players.
Just gave up 1-1 in the last couple of minutes alone.
Edit: make that 1-2
Teams level. Kerry misfiring in front of goal
65 mins Donegal by 1
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 03:27:33 PM
65 mins Donegal by 1
Whatever happens in these past few minutes, it's been a good response by Donegal.
Donegal win by a point
McBrearty ya boy ya! 8)
Some record at ballybofey
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Some win for the Rossies. 3-11 to 1-12. 2021 U20s already making their mark.
Not really a big shock, think Tyrone will be in a relegation battle they have been very poor for a long time.
Donegal beating Kerry is a big result for them as you'd imagine Kerry will get stronger as the weeks go on.
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Yeah, we got Kerry in the best possible circumstances. Ballybofey with no Cliffords or Sean O'Shea.
Usually we have to go to Tralee half way through or at the end to get a hammering.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 29, 2023, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Some win for the Rossies. 3-11 to 1-12. 2021 U20s already making their mark.
Not really a big shock, think Tyrone will be in a relegation battle they have been very poor for a long time.
Donegal beating Kerry is a big result for them as you'd imagine Kerry will get stronger as the weeks go on.
2/1 before the match Roscommon was to win and won that 2nd half when they found themselves 3 points behind with Tyrone having the wind advantage. Very opposite to how the Rossies lost to Clare last year you could say.
Great win for Roscommon there. Tyrone did pretty well against the wind and when they went 3 ahead with the goal in second half there should only have been one winner. Massive credit to Roscommon for turning it around from that position. A huge win on the opening day and well deserved.
Really poor from a Tyrone point of view. To lose from that position isn't good enough. Rudderless performance with lack of shape and leadership and very reminiscent of last season. An awful lot of questions already even at this early stage of the season.
Crap day in Ballybofey, but sunshine in the Hyde and the pitch looks in decent condition for January.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Jack O'Connor seems to be quite a bitter man
Some very interesting results but a hoor for the predictions
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Quote from: greatpoint on January 29, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Jack O'Connor seems to be quite a bitter man
That was a fixture Kerry were expecting to get something out of. They'd be hoping to stay away from the players who were involved with their clubs in recent weeks for as long as possible.
Jack is a bad loser. That's part and parcel of what makes him a winner!
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Quote from: greatpoint on January 29, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Jack O'Connor seems to be quite a bitter man
That was a fixture Kerry were expecting to get something out of. They'd be hoping to stay away from the players who were involved with their clubs in recent weeks for as long as possible.
Jack is a bad loser. That's part and parcel of what makes him a winner!
Not so sure about that when Kerry lined out without 10 first choice players. Ballybofey a tough spot to pick the win for full strength opposition.
And yes Jack doesn't like losing.
I don't know, why Kerry were expected to win, they had less than half a starting team out, and were playing at a pitch were wins seem to be impossible. And I never could put my finger on why, its no different than anywhere else.
Thought the Roscommon Tyrone game was very cagey & a poor quality spectacle. Could not understand Tyrones lack of a press in the last 15 minutes, when losing the game. To be honest they look poor.
Ben O Carroll & particularly Niall Daly did very well. The positive effect of having a good bench was there to be seen, Enda involved in all 3 goals & some very impressive running with the ball, Ciaran Murtagh also impressed. The keepers kick outs were quick & impressive, poor enough for the goal, why weren't 2 backs beside each post?
Overall Davy will be happy with the result, although we do need huge improvement.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:10:38 PM
Some very interesting results but a hoor for the predictions
O'Neill was kind enough to tell us to tip the Rossies, so I did, even if I missed many of the others.
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Quote from: greatpoint on January 29, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Jack O'Connor seems to be quite a bitter man
That was a fixture Kerry were expecting to get something out of. They'd be hoping to stay away from the players who were involved with their clubs in recent weeks for as long as possible.
Jack is a bad loser. That's part and parcel of what makes him a winner!
Not so sure about that when Kerry lined out without 10 first choice players. Ballybofey a tough spot to pick the win for full strength opposition.
And yes Jack doesn't like losing.
It may just be plamas. Kerry don't care as much about the league this year so they will lose a few matches.
does kerry only have to to win one match in munster to get a top 8 seeding
Croke park pitch is in terrible condition, while the one in Cork looks like carpet. Looks a great pitch.
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2023, 06:40:51 PM
Thought the Roscommon Tyrone game was very cagey & a poor quality spectacle. Could not understand Tyrones lack of a press in the last 15 minutes, when losing the game. To be honest they look poor.
Ben O Carroll & particularly Niall Daly did very well. The positive effect of having a good bench was there to be seen, Enda involved in all 3 goals & some very impressive running with the ball, Ciaran Murtagh also impressed. The keepers kick outs were quick & impressive, poor enough for the goal, why weren't 2 backs beside each post?
Overall Davy will be happy with the result, although we do need huge improvement.
Tyrone had a black card, so pressing up would have left them wide open. They should have pushed and closed the game out when they got on a run earlier. They did well enough to get level near enough the end, but let it go. Not a good performance by any means, but the summer is a while off yet.
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2023, 06:40:51 PM
Thought the Roscommon Tyrone game was very cagey & a poor quality spectacle.could not understand Tyrones lack of a press in the last 15 minutes, when losing the game. To be honest they look poor.
Ben O Carroll & particularly Niall Daly did very well. The positive effect of having a good bench was there to be seen, Enda involved in all 3 goals & some very impressive running with the ball, Ciaran Murtagh also impressed. The keepers kick outs were quick & impressive, poor enough for the goal, why weren't 2 backs beside each post?
Overall Davy will be happy with the result, although we do need huge improvement.
Most Tyrone games are like that. You Rossies are hard to please, won a match by 5 points when most would have expected Tyrone to win.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2023, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2023, 06:40:51 PM
Thought the Roscommon Tyrone game was very cagey & a poor quality spectacle.could not understand Tyrones lack of a press in the last 15 minutes, when losing the game. To be honest they look poor.
Ben O Carroll & particularly Niall Daly did very well. The positive effect of having a good bench was there to be seen, Enda involved in all 3 goals & some very impressive running with the ball, Ciaran Murtagh also impressed. The keepers kick outs were quick & impressive, poor enough for the goal, why weren't 2 backs beside each post?
Overall Davy will be happy with the result, although we do need huge improvement.
Most Tyrone games are like that. You Rossies are hard to please, won a match by 5 points when most would have expected Tyrone to win.
I'm delighted expected to lose by 5 or more. I'm just been honest with what I saw. Game over if McCurry didnt fluff his lines, when our defense went missing. The roar in the stand for O Carrols goal, is a roar I been waiting for a very long time.
Big win for the Rossies, it's another Connacht derby game next weekend against a team that will be on a high after today, Galway need to be winning the home games.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 29, 2023, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Some win for the Rossies. 3-11 to 1-12. 2021 U20s already making their mark.
Not really a big shock, think Tyrone will be in a relegation battle they have been very poor for a long time.
Donegal beating Kerry is a big result for them as you'd imagine Kerry will get stronger as the weeks go on.
Tyrone had a poor start last year but they put a bit of smacht on it on the home stretch and stayed up.
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Quote from: greatpoint on January 29, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Jack O'Connor seems to be quite a bitter man
Yes arguably the worst looser in Gaelic Games...
That was a fixture Kerry were expecting to get something out of. They'd be hoping to stay away from the players who were involved with their clubs in recent weeks for as long as possible.
Jack is a bad loser. That's part and parcel of what makes him a winner!
Not so sure about that when Kerry lined out without 10 first choice players. Ballybofey a tough spot to pick the win for full strength opposition.
And yes Jack doesn't like losing.
It may just be plamas. Kerry don't care as much about the league this year so they will lose a few matches.
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Quote from: greatpoint on January 29, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 03:43:18 PM
Very emotional paddy there!! O'Connor giving the ref a wee touch at the end and the umpires lol
Jack O'Connor seems to be quite a bitter man
Yes arguably the worst looser in Gaelic Games...
That was a fixture Kerry were expecting to get something out of. They'd be hoping to stay away from the players who were involved with their clubs in recent weeks for as long as possible.
Jack is a bad loser. That's part and parcel of what makes him a winner!
Not so sure about that when Kerry lined out without 10 first choice players. Ballybofey a tough spot to pick the win for full strength opposition.
And yes Jack doesn't like losing.
It may just be plamas. Kerry don't care as much about the league this year so they will lose a few matches.
Kerry can always turn on the afterburners when points are required.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Still have to fancy them to beat 3 of Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Rossies if we beat them. Really looking forward to getting crack at them at home!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Mayo are always in a relegation battle in Division One.
There is no team in Division 1 that can credibly say that they aren't nervous about relegation - perhaps apart from Kerry. When Dublin went down last year, that probably demonstrated it best. But every Division 1 team except Tyrone, Monaghan and Kerry have been in Division 2 in the previous 4 seasons. Tyrone were in Division 2 in 2016 and were maybe lucky enough to avoid it last year. Monaghan were relegated on paper, in the second half, of the final game in in each of the last 3 seasons.
Donegal and Roscommon winning today has thrown the cat among the pigeons. Could be a very interesting league.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Mayo are always in a relegation battle in Division One.
Well that's not true of course, but any opportunity to have a go at Mayo, eh?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Still have to fancy them to beat 3 of Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Rossies if we beat them. Really looking forward to getting crack at them at home!
Tyrone maybe. Donegal we've never won in Donegal - crazy but true stat. Roscommon another maybe, they won't fear anyone after today. Monaghan - ask the Dubs last year about them in the last game! A win next week would ease the nerves though.
In saying all that, I expect us to be hard beaten all year and teams will have to earn victories against us.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Mayo are always in a relegation battle in Division One.
Well that's not true of course, but any opportunity to have a go at Mayo, eh?
Not having a go at Mayo. Mayo had a plethora of Houdini escapes staying in Div. 1 the last decade or so. Most times resting key players while looking at possible new additions.
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 09:04:26 PM
There is no team in Division 1 that can credibly say that they aren't nervous about relegation - perhaps apart from Kerry. When Dublin went down last year, that probably demonstrated it best. But every Division 1 team except Tyrone, Monaghan and Kerry have been in Division 2 in the previous 4 seasons. Tyrone were in Division 2 in 2016 and were maybe lucky enough to avoid it last year. Monaghan were relegated on paper, in the second half, of the final game in in each of the last 3 seasons.
Donegal and Roscommon winning today has thrown the cat among the pigeons. Could be a very interesting league.
A great competion, evenly matched teams (for the most part) battling it out to retain their league status, silverware the icing in the cake.
Some Tyrone boys blowing hard today-fancied Roscommon and it looks like they have some smarts added to their tactics at last. Strange performance from Tyrone but not the end of the world at this stage. Fancy us to sneak Donegal, still have nightmares from Tuam 2020 so Galway for that one then wins against Kerry, Monaghan and Armagh just out of pure spite, as Tommy Tiernan rightfully identified. Worried about our height across the team and might miss McKenna a bit for that X factor. Best looking teams in the country are Kerry, Derry, Galway, Dubs. In with a shout this summer are Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo, if they can sort their heads out. First year bounce possibilities across a number of other teams-should be a great year!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 10:26:06 PM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2023, 05:54:31 PM
So the relegation favs :
Ros and Donegal won
Monaghan lost
and welcome, Tyrone, to the conversation
Mayo could end up in a battle if they don't beat Armagh next week.
Still have to fancy them to beat 3 of Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Rossies if we beat them. Really looking forward to getting crack at them at home!
Tyrone maybe. Donegal we've never won in Donegal - crazy but true stat. Roscommon another maybe, they won't fear anyone after today. Monaghan - ask the Dubs last year about them in the last game! A win next week would ease the nerves though.
In saying all that, I expect us to be hard beaten all year and teams will have to earn victories against us.
Most matches under Horan was like that and he's done the transition for McStay. 2018 U20 runners up, 2016 U21 AI winners along with the likes of Durcan, C O'Connor will form the core of the Mayo team going into the championship.
Still buzzing after the Hyde today.
Great to come back to win it after conceding 1-5 to 0-1 each side of ht.
Of course it's only January and it's only th'oul League and today will be long forgotten by many come April to June.
But those of us there today seeing Ben O'Carroll won't forget it.
And the younger Smith ladeen wasn't too bad either when he came on... had a major "assist" in the 3 goals.
Good management by Davy and McHugh, started 5 of the 2021 u20s, brought on 5 of the older guard as Subs.
Tyrone will hardly be shedding many tears over today but feckit twas great to bate them after 20 years!!
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 09:04:26 PM
There is no team in Division 1 that can credibly say that they aren't nervous about relegation - perhaps apart from Kerry. When Dublin went down last year, that probably demonstrated it best. But every Division 1 team except Tyrone, Monaghan and Kerry have been in Division 2 in the previous 4 seasons. Tyrone were in Division 2 in 2016 and were maybe lucky enough to avoid it last year. Monaghan were relegated on paper, in the second half, of the final game in in each of the last 3 seasons.
Donegal and Roscommon winning today has thrown the cat among the pigeons. Could be a very interesting league.
It is noteworthy that the main task and topic for the vast majority is to avoid relegation and remain in Div 1 for another year, no county (supporters) really give a fiddlers fart about winning the league, nice if it happens but not at all a league priority. In a 7 game league with 2 demotions, it's not at all remarkable that the fate of 4 or 5 team goes down to the wire re the results in the last round of games.
Would have taken the draw all week but in the circumstances it was a point thrown away, a brain fart from Sweeney.
Lots already covered like the fitness, collective training, injuries and kickouts.
Surprised not to see Owen Gallagher come on as he's a brilliant field and we were struggling in the 2nd half on our own kickout. Not sure if Patrick Kelly is injured but he's a serious weapon to have on our own kickouts, can't be too difficult to isolate him, Tierney or Comer.
Thought Mulcahy and O'Flaherty looked comfortable at this level, more so then Eoghan Kelly did but its early days yet. I don't recall Mulcahy playing underage for Galway?
Galway short on numbers in attack with Culhane and Ian Burke out injured and Walsh taking a break, lets hope Finnerty's injury isn't too serious but it didn't look good.
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I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
For the amount of shots a keeper faces on average I'd be more than willing to accept that trade off with the distance he offers on kickouts and what he obviously offers as the extra man. He's as good a forward as there is around too!
Please - stop with that.
Was he even starting consistently on the Armagh team before he went in nets?
He wouldnt make the forward line on any of the top teams never mind saying he is as good a forward as there is around
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Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
For the amount of shots a keeper faces on average I'd be more than willing to accept that trade off with the distance he offers on kickouts and what he obviously offers as the extra man. He's as good a forward as there is around too!
Please - stop with that.
Was he even starting consistently on the Armagh team before he went in nets?
He wouldnt make the forward line on any of the top teams never mind saying he is as good a forward as there is around
Injuries held him back some but before his conversion to a GK he hadnt been starting regularly
Quote from: Taylor on January 30, 2023, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 29, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
For the amount of shots a keeper faces on average I'd be more than willing to accept that trade off with the distance he offers on kickouts and what he obviously offers as the extra man. He's as good a forward as there is around too!
Please - stop with that.
Was he even starting consistently on the Armagh team before he went in nets?
He wouldnt make the forward line on any of the top teams never mind saying he is as good a forward as there is around
Yes he was a very good forward for us, scored a few clinkers of points against Kildare from CHF in Croker a few years back. Would have always been considered one of the best forwards in the county for sure!! Had been set back with injury and had a year or two off the panel as far as I know but no doubt he is a superb forward!
I have no doubt he may be considered a good forward in your team - but to say he is as good a forward that is around is miles off the mark.
When fully fit he might not even make your starting line up.
He certainly wouldnt come close to starting on the Tyrone team
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 30, 2023, 08:54:38 AM
Would have taken the draw all week but in the circumstances it was a point thrown away, a brain fart from Sweeney.
Lots already covered like the fitness, collective training, injuries and kickouts.
Surprised not to see Owen Gallagher come on as he's a brilliant field and we were struggling in the 2nd half on our own kickout. Not sure if Patrick Kelly is injured but he's a serious weapon to have on our own kickouts, can't be too difficult to isolate him, Tierney or Comer.
Thought Mulcahy and O'Flaherty looked comfortable at this level, more so then Eoghan Kelly did but its early days yet. I don't recall Mulcahy playing underage for Galway?
Galway short on numbers in attack with Culhane and Ian Burke out injured and Walsh taking a break, lets hope Finnerty's injury isn't too serious but it didn't look good.
O'Flaherty is only a kid really, still U20. He would need to be a very special player to have any significant impact this year, not many are up to Senior at that age given the S&C requirements these days. Definitely looks to have a good bit about him though.
PJ did not sound optimistic in the post match interviews about that Finnerty injury, timing is a bit of a disaster. Culhane injury timing equally bad for someone that was going really well in the Sigerson and might have been able to bounce that form into the league. He would have got the chance because based on the evidence to date it doesn't look like Conneely is going to make the leap to an IC player.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: Taylor on January 30, 2023, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 29, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: APM on January 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
I find the Rafferty experiment fascinating. People compare it with Morgan and Beggan. But it's different because Rafferty is a genuine county forward.
I thought he done rightly last night, although he made three mistakes:
- Carried the ball into the tackle high up the pitch, that led to McCambridge's yellow and broke the 10 minutes of momentum we had after half time. It was the only time he was turned over, but thought maybe he got carried away with Armagh's dominance and decided to take a risk. Hopefully he will learn from that.
- One bad kickout. It was the only really bad one though and that wasn't bad going in that type of game. He (and the Armagh half-back line / midfielders) coped better with Monaghan pushing up on our kickouts, than Began did when Armagh pushed up early in the second half.
- The foul for the penalty which was a bit of a mad forwards tackle - would need to learn from it too. Wonder who they have as a goalkeeping coach.
On the flipside, some of his forward play was excellent. He played like a centre half forward, passing some very accurate ball into the full forwards and used the ball very intelligently. Great point from play which must be crushing for the opposition.
I think his shot stopping and positioning is subpar for an intercounty goalie. I'm not convinced over a season he will work out as an overall net positive or a negative but I'd agree it interesting to see happen.
For the amount of shots a keeper faces on average I'd be more than willing to accept that trade off with the distance he offers on kickouts and what he obviously offers as the extra man. He's as good a forward as there is around too!
Please - stop with that.
Was he even starting consistently on the Armagh team before he went in nets?
He wouldnt make the forward line on any of the top teams never mind saying he is as good a forward as there is around
Yes he was a very good forward for us, scored a few clinkers of points against Kildare from CHF in Croker a few years back. Would have always been considered one of the best forwards in the county for sure!! Had been set back with injury and had a year or two off the panel as far as I know but no doubt he is a superb forward!
He scored one point, albeit a superb long range point, having been brought on as a sub.
Played a lot in midfield for us also
Quote from: Taylor on January 30, 2023, 10:06:11 AM
I have no doubt he may be considered a good forward in your team - but to say he is as good a forward that is around is miles off the mark.
When fully fit he might not even make your starting line up.
He certainly wouldnt come close to starting on the Tyrone team
I rate him highly as a forward, you don't fair enough.
Sure I'd probably get a game for Tyrone these days the way they're going ;)
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on January 30, 2023, 10:06:11 AM
I have no doubt he may be considered a good forward in your team - but to say he is as good a forward that is around is miles off the mark.
When fully fit he might not even make your starting line up.
He certainly wouldnt come close to starting on the Tyrone team
I rate him highly as a forward, you don't fair enough.
Sure I'd probably get a game for Tyrone these days the way they're going ;)
Early days yet..........lets see if you can retain your All Ireland Qualifier trophy again this year
Quote from: Taylor on January 30, 2023, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on January 30, 2023, 10:06:11 AM
I have no doubt he may be considered a good forward in your team - but to say he is as good a forward that is around is miles off the mark.
When fully fit he might not even make your starting line up.
He certainly wouldnt come close to starting on the Tyrone team
I rate him highly as a forward, you don't fair enough.
Sure I'd probably get a game for Tyrone these days the way they're going ;)
Early days yet..........lets see if you can retain your All Ireland Qualifier trophy again this year
Here's hoping ;)
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
Definitely looked wide, good angle from the camera on the terrace side looking toward the Villa Rose
Haven't seen the camera shot(s) in question, but assuming it was actually wide, until they put Hawkeye in all these grounds, it's going to happen, especially on days with strong winds like yesterday. And they won't be installing Hawkeye everywhere.
That said, that score reduced it from a five point Kerry lead to a four point lead. In the first half.
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2023, 12:23:30 PM
Haven't seen the camera shot(s) in question, but assuming it was actually wide, until they put Hawkeye in all these grounds, it's going to happen, especially on days with strong winds like yesterday. And they won't be installing Hawkeye everywhere.
That said, that score reduced it from a five point Kerry lead to a four point lead. In the first half.
Pedantic from O'Connor, one of Kerry's points in the 2nd half looked a bit dicey too. If I was O'Connor I'd have brought up one Donegal's points in the 2nd half where the player took more then 10 steps before before taking his point.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 30, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2023, 12:23:30 PM
Haven't seen the camera shot(s) in question, but assuming it was actually wide, until they put Hawkeye in all these grounds, it's going to happen, especially on days with strong winds like yesterday. And they won't be installing Hawkeye everywhere.
That said, that score reduced it from a five point Kerry lead to a four point lead. In the first half.
Pedantic from O'Connor, one of Kerry's points in the 2nd half looked a bit dicey too. If I was O'Connor I'd have brought up one Donegal's points in the 2nd half where the player took more then 10 steps before before taking his point.
He wants to generate some emotion for this week's training. That's where the béal bocht comes from
Fair play to the Donegal managers comments in reaction to O'Connor, the amount of marginal calls Kerry get from the referees year in year out and they are still moaning.
Ffs O'Connor thinking the ref should side with the linesman rather then umpire over a score
is ridiculous,
Quote from: fearbrags on January 30, 2023, 01:48:50 PM
Ffs O'Connor thinking the ref should side with the linesman rather then umpire over a score
is ridiculous,
In fairness the umpire raising his flag was probably in the worst spot in the stadium to spot the wide. The linesman would have been in a much better position
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
Agreed it looked wide. There has to be a replay!!
Some goal from Jimmy Carr for Mayo.
Quote from: 5times5times on January 28, 2023, 09:06:31 PM
Who else but O'connor. He's a cheat. Always has been. Always a diver and getting reds for cheap shots.
Premier League stuff from O'Connor.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
Very bitter from O'Connor and to state that they deserved at least a point is very harsh on Donegal imo. It was a game of two halves and Donegal finished up the better side after they gained a bit of belief and with the crowd getting behind them I felt as though they always looked the more likely winner once the sides drew level.
I don't think Kerry have too much to worry about though, they will get stronger as the weeks go on as they get players back.
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
It did look wide to be fair. Jack was fair cranky anyway! I'd be more concerned with fellas kicking the ball wide from in front of goals myself. Donegal were much better team in second half aswell.
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal don't seem to be the teams of the next 5 years in Ulster
I don't think it's a false dawn but let's see
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 31, 2023, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
It did look wide to be fair. Jack was fair cranky anyway! I'd be more concerned with fellas kicking the ball wide from in front of goals myself. Donegal were much better team in second half aswell.
A late Kerry point from the left wing looked dodgy as well after it got caught in that wind.
Brendan Devenney on his podcast was adamant it was wide.
Quote from: J70 on January 31, 2023, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 31, 2023, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
It did look wide to be fair. Jack was fair cranky anyway! I'd be more concerned with fellas kicking the ball wide from in front of goals myself. Donegal were much better team in second half aswell.
A late Kerry point from the left wing looked dodgy as well after it got caught in that wind.
Brendan Devenney on his podcast was adamant it was wide.
Ciaran Whelan mentioned that on the RTE podcast. O Connor was like a bull but Kerry got a point in first half that was wide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNurGRMgqLw
Yeah I thought one of Kerry's was dodgy too. Made himself look a bit silly but will be forgot about soon enough.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 30, 2023, 06:17:06 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 30, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
Jack O'Connor has claimed Donegal had a point wrongly awarded to them during their 0-13 to 1-9 Allianz Football League first round victory over Kerry.
The Kingdom boss was seen remonstrating with referee Liam Devenney after the final whistle in Ballybofey over Caolan McColgan's contentious 30th minute point which appeared to curl wide in the wind at the last second and ultimately decided a tight contest.
"Donegal had a point there that was blatantly wide. Everyone in the stand - ye saw that did ye?" O'Connor is quoted as saying by BBC NI.
"It was a yard wide. Holy Jaysus but anyway it is what it is. You don't get many breaks when you're coming to away grounds like this. Just disappointing because I felt we deserved a point out of it at minimum."
The All-Ireland winning manager continued: "That shouldn't be happening. The linesman said it was wide yet he goes with the umpire. That's an incredible decision in a Division 1 game.
Very bitter from O'Connor and to state that they deserved at least a point is very harsh on Donegal imo. It was a game of two halves and Donegal finished up the better side after they gained a bit of belief and with the crowd getting behind them I felt as though they always looked the more likely winner once the sides drew level.
I don't think Kerry have too much to worry about though, they will get stronger as the weeks go on as they get players back.
Normally losing away to Donegal by a point with a weakened team would be fine but that's a very weak Donegal team.
Especially when you consider McBrearty was dominated by Foley throughout, restricting him to just one long range point.
Bad sign for the extended members of the Kerry panel that they lost.
Main positive for Kerry was Paul Murphy, although getting into Kerry backline for Championship will be difficult.
Graham O'Sullivan with 6 assists and a point in the AI final.
Tom O'Sullivan has had a great 2 years bar the 22 final.
Foley and Morley the fulcrum of the backs.
White and Begley had very impressive 2022 campaigns.
This is what it feels like to have Sundays loaded with intercounty matches again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG16bdJDarA
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 31, 2023, 12:28:50 PM
Yeah I thought one of Kerry's was dodgy too. Made himself look a bit silly but will be forgot about soon enough.
Jack putting down a marker with the referees for later in year. If Carlow manager done that would be suspended for 12 months.No doubt someone from the Kerry mafia will speak about how referees are against them . 🙄
Jack hasn't won back to back all Irelands in his previous incarnations.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let’s see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we’ll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Who though?
Crealey, two Mackins and Oisin O'Neill all out.
Is Stephen Sherifan the only reconised out and out midfielder floating around the first 26?
Rian O'Neill or Murnin may have to do a bit of fire fighting - but the latter may not have the mobility for it.
Edit: Jarly Og too, of course.
Quote from: onefaircounty on January 31, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Who though?
Crealey, two Mackins and Oisin O'Neill all out.
Is Stephen Sherifan the only reconised out and out midfielder floating around the first 26?
Rian O'Neill or Murnin may have to do a bit of fire fighting - but the latter may not have the mobility for it.
Edit: Jarly Og too, of course.
Hope to see Niall Grimley. He won a great mark the other night.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Quote from: onefaircounty on January 31, 2023, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Who though?
Crealey, two Mackins and Oisin O'Neill all out.
Is Stephen Sherifan the only reconised out and out midfielder floating around the first 26?
Rian O'Neill or Murnin may have to do a bit of fire fighting - but the latter may not have the mobility for it.
Edit: Jarly Og too, of course.
What's the score with James Morgan ?
Quote from: yellowcard on January 31, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 31, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Yes those 3 players would certainly help matters. I'd be a bit concerned about Oisin O'Neill as he's been out injured a long time and he needs regular matches to thrive. I think our strongest midfield would probably be O'Neill with a workhorse beside him and that would probably be Mackin based on last years League. But he has had injury concerns also. Grimley has the ability but hasn't shown the consistency needed at county level and can flit in and out of matches. Maybe its now or never for him to try and nail down a regular starting slot.
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Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Do Armagh have all decent footballers available? Last year Galway didn't because in January nobody was expecting anything. A few of the prodigals have returned.
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Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Gift of a goal allowed Armagh win. Monaghan was poor their best hope of staying up is for the final points total to be 4 points.
Mayo seem to be at championship pace and fitness already and that could be enough to edge a rusty Armagh.
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Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
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Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Do Armagh have all decent footballers available? Last year Galway didn't because in January nobody was expecting anything. A few of the prodigals have returned.
Very few can think of that aren't part of the panel that you'd say are a big miss, Ryan Kennedy a miss in defence. Fair few injuries though which is far from ideal.
What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Has missed loads of football the last 2-3 years
Quote from: harryR on January 31, 2023, 11:06:04 PM
What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Has missed loads of football the last 2-3 years
Injury unfortunately. Some miss, he wouldn't be far behind the brother if he was going well!
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Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Do Armagh have all decent footballers available? Last year Galway didn't because in January nobody was expecting anything. A few of the prodigals have returned.
In Galway's case that's only really true of one player - Ian Burke.
Peter Cooke was based in the States at the time so it wasn't a runner for him.
Power and McHugh weren't there because Pj dropped them (and McHugh has been dropped again since).
Quote from: harryR on January 31, 2023, 11:06:04 PM
What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Has missed loads of football the last 2-3 years
Tbf he is back trying to get fit, this season ( may June ) will be make or break , Armagh definitely need him if they are to break through .
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Quote from: harryR on January 31, 2023, 11:06:04 PM
What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Has missed loads of football the last 2-3 years
Tbf he is back trying to get fit, this season ( may June ) will be make or break , Armagh definitely need him if they are to break through .
He'd be some addition but I wouldn't say that of any one player, bar probably Rian!
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Quote from: bennydorano on January 31, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2023, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2023, 09:13:46 AM
Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Do Armagh have all decent footballers available? Last year Galway didn't because in January nobody was expecting anything. A few of the prodigals have returned.
In Galway's case that's only really true of one player - Ian Burke.
Peter Cooke was based in the States at the time so it wasn't a runner for him.
Power and McHugh weren't there because Pj dropped them (and McHugh has been dropped again since).
What about Michael Daly and Varley ?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/01/burke-fans-competitive-flames-within-squad-as-roscommon-warm-to-top-flight-task/
Burke fans competitive flames within squad as Roscommon warm to top-flight task
Newcomers Cregg and O'Carroll bring their impressive UCD Sigerson form to help inspire opening victory over Tyrone
Davy Burke: 'We're realistic, but it's a good start, a really positive start, but at training there needs to be hair and skin flying, that's ultimately how it works.'
Wed Feb 1 2023 - 05:00
There was an added anxious hush when in the quiet anticipation around Dr Hyde Park last Sunday the announcement came through of three late changes to the Roscommon team. Nothing sends a greater chill down the neck of even the most faithful supporter.
Besides Tyrone were in town, the 2021 All-Ireland champions, the opening weekend of Allianz Football League already loaded with pressing necessity, especially when it came to Roscommon's survival prospects in Division One. Now was not the time for any great experimentation.
Freshly promoted again from last year, Roscommon have been the yo-yo champions of the league for the last decade or so – playing in all four divisions, each of the last six seasons ending in either promotion from Division Two or relegation from Division One.
Indeed they hadn't won a top flight match since pre-Covid times, and hadn't beaten Tyrone in any senior competition in 20 years. For new Roscommon manager Davy Burke, the 34-year-old Kildare native and youngest inter-county manager in the senior game, who only took charge in late October, there was pressure in the air.
So when those three late changes amounted to three first league starts – Conor Carroll in goal, Daire Cregg and Ben O'Carroll among the forwards – that anxious hush turned more anxious again.
Carroll and Cregg were making their first senior starts in any competition, as was Robbie Dolan at right half forward, the changes more surprising given Cregg replaced Enda Smith, and O'Carroll was in for Ciaráin Murtagh, two of the old and trusted guards.
Donie Smith had already been named on the bench, the long-serving Boyle forward with 99 appearances to his name already, between league and championship. Burke's team selection was young and bold and in more ways than one.
And it worked a treat, Roscommon winning 3-11 to Tyrone's 1-12, to ensure confidence is soaring as they head down to old rivals Galway this Sunday for Round 2.
Any concern that Cregg, also from Boyle, and O'Carroll, from St Brigid's mightn't yet be up to the task was promptly dismissed, Cregg setting up O'Carroll for Roscommon's opening score, before O'Carroll doubled the advantage; he finished with 1-2, including the injury-time goal which sealed Roscommon's delight, Cregg scoring one from play while orchestrating countless other offensive moves.
Burke clearly knew their capabilities, aided by the fact he's been observing their progress with UCD in this season's Sigerson Cup (Burke also manages NUI Maynooth).
On the previous Wednesday Cregg hit 2-2 as UCD put 7-8 past Ulster University at Jordanstown, setting up this evening's (Wednesday) quarter-final showdown against Technological University Dublin.
That appointment limits their involvement with Roscommon training this week in advance of the Galway game, though Burke is okay with that. Donie Smith came off the bench on the hour to make that 100th appearance, both Enda Smith and Ciaráin Murtagh also making a telling impact when introduced, Smith deftly setting up Murtagh for Roscommon's first goal on 53 minutes, after Tyrone had gone three points clear.
"Yeah, great team goals, but who did the first come from?" Burke duly noted. "Two subs, Enda Smith and Ciarán Murtagh, two lads who in their heads ask 'why aren't they starting'. It's competition, lads.
"That's the new wave coming, these young lads have been successful all the way up, let's do it. Now Ben's under pressure, because Ciarán came on, and Donie came on. We're realistic, but it's a good start, a really positive start, but at training there needs to be hair and skin flying, that's ultimately how it works."
Still only 22, Cregg also hit 1-5 in the Sigerson Cup first round win over Munster Technological University. He's in his third year of a dairy business degree at UCD (his father Gerard runs a 80-acre dairy farm in Boyle).
Roscommon beat Galway twice in Division Two last year, by five points in the group encounter at Dr Hyde Park, Galway already sure of promotion, and by a point in the final.
Galway got some revenge however when beating them in the Connacht final, and are bidding for their first win at Pearse Stadium after drawing with Mayo in the opening game.
They'll be meeting a renewed Roscommon challenge now that the likes of Cregg and O'Carroll are nailing down starting places. Burke's policy of selecting players purely on form and not reputation has helped the county get off to a winning start at least which, as other years have proven, is more than half the battle for Roscommon.
Some done, a lot to do.....
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2023, 11:56:17 AM
Some done, a lot to do.....
That's the way I look at it.
We Donegal supporters thoroughly enjoyed Sunday, but I think we're still in for a serious fight to stay in the division.
We're away to the other three Ulster teams as well as the Rossies.
Home to Mayo and Galway, with the Galway game in f**king O'Donnell Park, our bogie pitch.
We could easily fail to get the required six points.
Quote from: seafoid on February 01, 2023, 10:43:16 AM
Still only 22, Cregg also hit 1-5 in the Sigerson Cup first round win over Munster Technological University. He's in his third year of a dairy business degree at UCD (his father Gerard runs a 80-acre dairy farm in Boyle).
I think he's only 20.
Wasn't he on the u20s last year? He'd only turn 21 this year then.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 01, 2023, 10:43:16 AM
Still only 22, Cregg also hit 1-5 in the Sigerson Cup first round win over Munster Technological University. He's in his third year of a dairy business degree at UCD (his father Gerard runs a 80-acre dairy farm in Boyle).
I think he's only 20.
Subediting has gone to the dogs. Tsk tsk
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Surely Athletic Grounds is not sold out for a league game...what's that roughly 17-18k?. I got two tickets at the start of the week and even then i had to wait on second batch to come out...this is unheard of if true for a league game.
On the game itself...on the eye test Mayo looks to be a few weeks further down the road than Armagh if last weeks games are anything to go by and if thats the case they may just edge this one. However, if there's one thing i've learned for following Armagh for over 3 decades is always expect the unexpected and they never dissapoint. Two Monaghan guys standing beside me on Sat nite were ready to go home just after Armagh had their wee purple patch and I said don't go anywhere it's Armagh you're playing...5 mins after saying that there was 1 point in it...lol.
Armagh for me just need to find 2-3 players on top of what they have and the'd be a serious team but unfortunately the 3 players needed are in key positions...we need a serious midfielder, an imposing athletic CHB and another quality forward the first two more so than the forward. I suppose this could be the case for most of the top 10 teams in Ireland though and that's why they are where they are.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
That is a great sign
Can still buy Armagh V Mayo tickets online.
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Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Surely Athletic Grounds is not sold out for a league game...what's that roughly 17-18k?. I got two tickets at the start of the week and even then i had to wait on second batch to come out...this is unheard of if true for a league game.
On the game itself...on the eye test Mayo looks to be a few weeks further down the road than Armagh if last weeks games are anything to go by and if thats the case they may just edge this one. However, if there's one thing i've learned for following Armagh for over 3 decades is always expect the unexpected and they never dissapoint. Two Monaghan guys standing beside me on Sat nite were ready to go home just after Armagh had their wee purple patch and I said don't go anywhere it's Armagh you're playing...5 mins after saying that there was 1 point in it...lol.
Armagh for me just need to find 2-3 players on top of what they have and the'd be a serious team but unfortunately the 3 players needed are in key positions...we need a serious midfielder, an imposing athletic CHB and another quality forward the first two more so than the forward. I suppose this could be the case for most of the top 10 teams in Ireland though and that's why they are where they are.
Hope McCambridge can become that CHB, McCabe not bad player either. Crealy, Mackin, Oisin O'Neill all to come in as midfield options, we're usually strong enough there with Rian, Murnin and Duffy good kickout options.
I'd hate to be trying to pick 6 starting forwards as well tbh. Soupy, Grugan, TK, Rian, Murnin and Nugent look the most likely at the minute, Turbitt, Ross McQuillan, Duffy and others good options off the bench as well.
Mayo will be huge challenge this weekend given the bodies we're missing but I do think they can be got at defensively given the loss of Mullin and Keegan 2 of the best defenders in the country. Midfield definitely a worry for us t the weekend though.
Funnily enough I said the exact same when we were in front on Saturday, anything can happen. Maybe a good sign though that we saw it out
Quote from: Louther on February 02, 2023, 09:48:49 AM
Can still buy Armagh V Mayo tickets online.
RTÉ said it was sold out on the radio. I expect the tickets will not be on sale indefinitely.
I agree that it is surprising. Mayo have good support, but it is fair oul drive.
The ground was full for Tyrone last year, but that is a short journey for the visitors.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Louther on February 02, 2023, 09:48:49 AM
Can still buy Armagh V Mayo tickets online.
RTÉ said it was sold out on the radio. I expect the tickets will not be on sale indefinitely.
I agree that it is surprising. Mayo have good support, but it is fair oul drive.
The ground was full for Tyrone last year, but that is a short journey for the visitors.
Armagh always come out in good numbers as do Mayo, our run last year will probably get the extra few bandwagoners out as well weather dependent.
Quote from: Louther on February 02, 2023, 09:48:49 AM
Can still buy Armagh V Mayo tickets online.
saw that, think rte is wrong
county board expect around 16k at the game
Some turn out for a February League match!
Perhaps it is an attempt to boost ticket sales.
The weather forecast is for dry, if cool, weather. Probably, a bit like Armagh V Mayo last year. A similar result is possible too, Armagh competitive but a couple of points short all the same.
I see that more and more games have the €5 charge for league games for u16s on the basis of limited capacity. With the price increase and this charge, it's a big income earner for league games.
Quote from: illdecide on February 02, 2023, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Surely Athletic Grounds is not sold out for a league game...what's that roughly 17-18k?. I got two tickets at the start of the week and even then i had to wait on second batch to come out...this is unheard of if true for a league game.
On the game itself...on the eye test Mayo looks to be a few weeks further down the road than Armagh if last weeks games are anything to go by and if thats the case they may just edge this one. However, if there's one thing i've learned for following Armagh for over 3 decades is always expect the unexpected and they never dissapoint. Two Monaghan guys standing beside me on Sat nite were ready to go home just after Armagh had their wee purple patch and I said don't go anywhere it's Armagh you're playing...5 mins after saying that there was 1 point in it...lol.
Armagh for me just need to find 2-3 players on top of what they have and the'd be a serious team but unfortunately the 3 players needed are in key positions...we need a serious midfielder, an imposing athletic CHB and another quality forward the first two more so than the forward. I suppose this could be the case for most of the top 10 teams in Ireland though and that's why they are where they are.
I think Des Cahill said it is expected to be a sell out rather than it is already sold out
Quote from: jmk on February 02, 2023, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 02, 2023, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Surely Athletic Grounds is not sold out for a league game...what's that roughly 17-18k?. I got two tickets at the start of the week and even then i had to wait on second batch to come out...this is unheard of if true for a league game.
On the game itself...on the eye test Mayo looks to be a few weeks further down the road than Armagh if last weeks games are anything to go by and if thats the case they may just edge this one. However, if there's one thing i've learned for following Armagh for over 3 decades is always expect the unexpected and they never dissapoint. Two Monaghan guys standing beside me on Sat nite were ready to go home just after Armagh had their wee purple patch and I said don't go anywhere it's Armagh you're playing...5 mins after saying that there was 1 point in it...lol.
Armagh for me just need to find 2-3 players on top of what they have and the'd be a serious team but unfortunately the 3 players needed are in key positions...we need a serious midfielder, an imposing athletic CHB and another quality forward the first two more so than the forward. I suppose this could be the case for most of the top 10 teams in Ireland though and that's why they are where they are.
I think Des Cahill said it is expected to be a sell out rather than it is already sold out
It won't be far away from one!
Quote from: Louther on February 02, 2023, 08:56:51 PM
I see that more and more games have the €5 charge for league games for u16s on the basis of limited capacity. With the price increase and this charge, it's a big income earner for league games.
Genuinely getting to be dear day out for families especially for away games!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 02, 2023, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: jmk on February 02, 2023, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 02, 2023, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Surely Athletic Grounds is not sold out for a league game...what's that roughly 17-18k?. I got two tickets at the start of the week and even then i had to wait on second batch to come out...this is unheard of if true for a league game.
On the game itself...on the eye test Mayo looks to be a few weeks further down the road than Armagh if last weeks games are anything to go by and if thats the case they may just edge this one. However, if there's one thing i've learned for following Armagh for over 3 decades is always expect the unexpected and they never dissapoint. Two Monaghan guys standing beside me on Sat nite were ready to go home just after Armagh had their wee purple patch and I said don't go anywhere it's Armagh you're playing...5 mins after saying that there was 1 point in it...lol.
Armagh for me just need to find 2-3 players on top of what they have and the'd be a serious team but unfortunately the 3 players needed are in key positions...we need a serious midfielder, an imposing athletic CHB and another quality forward the first two more so than the forward. I suppose this could be the case for most of the top 10 teams in Ireland though and that's why they are where they are.
I think Des Cahill said it is expected to be a sell out rather than it is already sold out
It won't be far away from one!
I highly doubt if there will be 15k at the match. There was much complaining that the match in Catleblayney was played in too small of a ground but on the day there were loads of empty spaces.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 02, 2023, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 02, 2023, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: jmk on February 02, 2023, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 02, 2023, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 02, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
Announced that the Armagh-Mayo game is sold out.
Surely Athletic Grounds is not sold out for a league game...what's that roughly 17-18k?. I got two tickets at the start of the week and even then i had to wait on second batch to come out...this is unheard of if true for a league game.
On the game itself...on the eye test Mayo looks to be a few weeks further down the road than Armagh if last weeks games are anything to go by and if thats the case they may just edge this one. However, if there's one thing i've learned for following Armagh for over 3 decades is always expect the unexpected and they never dissapoint. Two Monaghan guys standing beside me on Sat nite were ready to go home just after Armagh had their wee purple patch and I said don't go anywhere it's Armagh you're playing...5 mins after saying that there was 1 point in it...lol.
Armagh for me just need to find 2-3 players on top of what they have and the'd be a serious team but unfortunately the 3 players needed are in key positions...we need a serious midfielder, an imposing athletic CHB and another quality forward the first two more so than the forward. I suppose this could be the case for most of the top 10 teams in Ireland though and that's why they are where they are.
I think Des Cahill said it is expected to be a sell out rather than it is already sold out
It won't be far away from one!
I highly doubt if there will be 15k at the match. There was much complaining that the match in Catleblayney was played in too small of a ground but on the day there were loads of empty spaces.
Tbf blayney was sold out
The capacity was limited
Armagh gaa expecting 16k on Sunday
Quote from: yellowcard on February 02, 2023, 10:54:29 PM
I highly doubt if there will be 15k at the match. There was much complaining that the match in Catleblayney was played in too small of a ground but on the day there were loads of empty spaces.
It isn't clear though that empty spaces represented unsold tickets or the uneven distribution of those who had tickets.
The McKenna cup games didn't suit everyone on Wednesdays and many could not go last week, a well known team on a Sunday afternoon will be their first outing for 2023. There were 11,314 at Kerry last year, but only a few hundred Kerry people. If a similar number of Armagh people attend and 4K from Mayo then you have 15K. Mayo have 3000+ season ticket holders and some Mayo people resident in Dublin may regard Armagh as a handier run than a home game.
Very interesting numbers. It all goes in long cycles. It's interesting that Galway are going well at the same time. The return of the Armagh footballers does seem to be on, fingers crossed
It reminds me of this quote.
US Justice Potter Stewart's test in 1964 on hard core pornography: "I know it when I see it."
https://youtu.be/3Y8w2W1uy2A
Is that place Keegans good for grub lads?
Quote from: highorlow on February 03, 2023, 10:30:41 AM
Is that place Keegans good for grub lads?
Yes and a stones throw from the ground.
Sound thanks
Unchanged team named for Mayo. Possible changes before throw in?
Colm Reape; Jack Coyne, David McBrien, Rory Brickenden; Stephen Coen, Conor Loftus, Enda Hession; Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O’Connor; Bob Tuohy, Jack Carney, Jordan Flynn; Aiden Orme, James Carr, Ryan O’Donoghue.
Roscommon with one changes with Ciarain Murtagh coming into the side to face Galway in Salthill this Sunday.
Conor Carroll (Oranmore/maree)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Eoin McCormack (St Dominic's)
Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
Brian Stack (St Brigids)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Keith Doyle (St Dominic's)
Robbie Dolan (St Brigids)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Ciaran Lennon (Clann na nGael)
Ben O'Carroll (St Brigids)
Conor Cox (Eire Og)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Subs Colm Lavin (Eire Og) Tomas Crean (Creggs) Colin Walsh (Oran) David Murray (Padraig Pearses) Richard Hughes (Roscommon Gaels) Ruaidhri Fallon (St Brigids) Enda Smith (Boyle) Adam McDermott (Castlerea) Paul Carey (Padraig Pearses) Daire Cregg (Boyle) Patrick Gavin (Clann na nGael)
Galway selection. Ian Burke back in for the injured Rob Finnerty
Connor Gleeson; Eoghan Kelly, Seán Kelly, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, John Daly;Daniel O'Flanherty Paul Conroy, Cillian McDaid; Paul Kelly, Matthew Tierney, Johnny Heaney; Eoin Finnerty, Damien Comer, Ian Burke
Subs Bernie Power,Neil Mulcahy,Cathal Sweeney,John Maher,Billy Mannion,Matthew Barrett,Peter Cooke,Gerard Davoren,Ryan Monaghan,Dessie Conneely,Owen Gallagher
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Very interesting numbers. It all goes in long cycles. It's interesting that Galway are going well at the same time. The return of the Armagh
Armagh and Galway have moved into Quarter final territory, it remains to be seen if they can actually win anything.
On the ranking on Boards.ie Armagh are where they were in 2006.
As for numbers, I wonder does the new bank holiday make any difference. I mentioned Mayo people living in Dublin, but perhaps with a bank holiday they go to Mayo for first time in 2023 rather than going to football? Then again, the lack of school or work the next day might make people more willing to have a long drive or perhaps stay somewhere and make a weekend of it.
Donegal supposedly going with a similar team to last week.
https://donegalgaa.ie/38272-2/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/38272-2/)
If so, they earned it.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 03, 2023, 07:14:01 AM
Very interesting numbers. It all goes in long cycles. It's interesting that Galway are going well at the same time. The return of the Armagh
Armagh and Galway have moved into Quarter final territory, it remains to be seen if they can actually win anything.
On the ranking on Boards.ie Armagh are where they were in 2006.
As for numbers, I wonder does the new bank holiday make any difference. I mentioned Mayo people living in Dublin, but perhaps with a bank holiday they go to Mayo for first time in 2023 rather than going to football? Then again, the lack of school or work the next day might make people more willing to have a long drive or perhaps stay somewhere and make a weekend of it.
Galway won first time in 98 but the second iteration took 3 years. Armagh took at least 3 years to get to 2002.
It's early days yet.
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Very interesting numbers. It all goes in long cycles. It's interesting that Galway are going well at the same time. The return of the Armagh
Armagh and Galway have moved into Quarter final territory, it remains to be seen if they can actually win anything.
On the ranking on Boards.ie Armagh are where they were in 2006.
As for numbers, I wonder does the new bank holiday make any difference. I mentioned Mayo people living in Dublin, but perhaps with a bank holiday they go to Mayo for first time in 2023 rather than going to football? Then again, the lack of school or work the next day might make people more willing to have a long drive or perhaps stay somewhere and make a weekend of it.
Galway won first time in 98 but the second iteration took 3 years. Armagh took at least 3 years to get to 2002.
It's early days yet.
There were 21 years between World War 1 and World War 2. We should have had another 3 World wars....
Armagh list last weeks initial team
Will see plenty of changes before tomorrow
That team wont start.
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Armagh / Mayo this Sunday will be interesting , let's see if the hype about Armagh is correct or was last year another false dawn.
Was at blayney and thought Armagh were comfortable in the second half but the Mayo/Galway game was played at a far higher level .
Looking forward to it myself. Would like to think we'll give a good account of ourselves especially at home!
Apart from 10-15 mins at start of 2nd half Armagh were pretty poor, so getting 2 points was a job well done. Mayo a different kettle of fish, Ruane will Lord MF if we line out the same. Hall to the bench, Soupy to HF and an established MFer in there.
Midfield is definitely a concern and has been for a while. Although he sometimes flatters to deceive and hasn't always delivered on his potential, I think Grimley has to slot in there.
Ciaran Mackin was probably our best player or one of them in the league last year and is a massive loss as is Crealey and Oisin O'Neill of course. Take the first 3 choices out of any midfield and it would look light. I'd be confident in Grimley being able to slot in midfield, was excellent a few years back but hasn't really hit those heights since.
Do Armagh have all decent footballers available? Last year Galway didn't because in January nobody was expecting anything. A few of the prodigals have returned.
In Galway's case that's only really true of one player - Ian Burke.
Peter Cooke was based in the States at the time so it wasn't a runner for him.
Power and McHugh weren't there because Pj dropped them (and McHugh has been dropped again since).
What about Michael Daly and Varley ?
What about them?
Your point was that the prodigals have returned for 2023 because we did well last year.
I'm just saying that Burke is the only one who you can put in that category - Daly & Varley aren't back.
Daly had agreed to come back in with the county last year but suffered a bad knee injury in 2021 and hasnt played since.
Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
What was the hop ball for from Beggans kickout. All players were outside the 21 and the D
Kerry's tackling leaves a lot to be desired, they do look fairly average without the 2 Clifford's and O' Shea. Monaghan doing ok so far.
Quote from: PMG1 on February 05, 2023, 01:44:46 PM
Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
Thats another very soft free for them
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Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
Thats another very soft free for them
bit of justice - he missed it
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Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
Thats another very soft free for them
bit of justice - he missed it
If you're behind your man and he has the ball and is pushed it's a free. Soft hard or whatever
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Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
Thats another very soft free for them
bit of justice - he missed it
If you're behind your man and he has the ball and is pushed it's a free. Soft hard or whatever
yeah... if that had happened
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Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
Thats another very soft free for them
bit of justice - he missed it
If you're behind your man and he has the ball and is pushed it's a free. Soft hard or whatever
yeah... if that had happened
Which free you talking about? The one out on the wing along the 21? Push in the back
Comer stretchered off in Pearse.
If that's long term we're in bother as it seems Finnerty will be out for a while.
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Comer stretchered off in Pearse.
If that's long term we're in bother as it seems Finnerty will be out for a while.
Not good news but on the other hand some fringe forwards will get game time
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Kerry getting scorable free's handed to them here for fun, it's a joke so far
Thats another very soft free for them
bit of justice - he missed it
If you're behind your man and he has the ball and is pushed it's a free. Soft hard or whatever
yeah... if that had happened
Which free you talking about? The one out on the wing along the 21? Push in the back
There was no push in the incident i posted about. Thats why i posted. Anyway all immaterial now. Kerry are comfortable
Clifford class
Galway 5 Neighbours 3
Comer stretchered off early on for Galway. Thought he might have ran into the post but apparently he's on crutches and in a moonboot already.
Terrible game. Lot of the jizz went out of it after the long stoppage for the Comer injury.
A bit of life in Tyrone yet. Would say Monaghan favourites to go down then a few contenders for next spot.
Big win for Tyrone all right.
0-16 to 0-8
It's going to tough for Donegal to stay up
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Big win for Tyrone all right.
0-16 to 0-8
It's going to tough for Donegal to stay up
Looks like donegal and Monaghan although Monaghan have proven to be very good at surviving
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2023, 03:12:19 PM
A bit of life in Tyrone yet. Would say Monaghan favourites to go down then a few contenders for next spot.
Monaghan looked like a team of lads gathered up in Monaghan town this morning after a night on the beer.
huge win for roscommon
Super stuff from Davys Rossies, held Galway scoreless for last 25mins.
Very impressive game management for the second week in a row by the Rossies. The standard in Connacht is quite high at the moment .
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2023, 04:01:42 PM
Very impressive game management for the second week in a row by the Rossies. The standard in Connacht is quite high at the moment .
Armagh are saying different
4 ahead
COC misses a sitter
2 in it
Armagh #4 connects James Carr in the face, even though carr has the ball in his hands , Carr flat out on Ground, Armagh #13 "Falls" on his, btw he was not pushed on him. Result James Carr had to be replaced as a direct result of this.
This crap has no place on a GAA field. Horrible.
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COC misses a sitter
poor judgement from Rafferty
Gave away a peno last week from a poor kick out. Should have been punished this week too but got away with conceding only a point
Quote from: joemamas on February 05, 2023, 04:15:36 PM
Armagh #4 connects James Carr in the face, even though carr has the ball in his hands , Carr flat out on Ground, Armagh #13 "Falls" on his, btw he was not pushed on him. Result James Carr had to be replaced as a direct result of this.
This crap has no place on a GAA field. Horrible.
Then the mayo player kicking forker in the face
Not a classic match in Salthill, a tough watch.
Galway really poor in second half and generally bar a few moments didn't show a whole lot outside of the defence who played well enough to put team in a position to win. Couldn't get anything going up front, only one team in it down the stretch with the Rossies reeling in the win from 7-3 and then 8-4 down.
Comer injury the biggest disaster, looks like it could have be yery serious, sad to see.
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Armagh #4 connects James Carr in the face, even though carr has the ball in his hands , Carr flat out on Ground, Armagh #13 "Falls" on his, btw he was not pushed on him. Result James Carr had to be replaced as a direct result of this.
This crap has no place on a GAA field. Horrible.
Would Anton have only got a yellow in the Junior Final if Fergal Kelly was the referee?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 05, 2023, 04:32:38 PM
Not a classic match in Salthill, a tough watch.
Galway really poor in second half and generally bar a few moments didn't show a whole lot outside of the defence who played well enough to put team in a position to win. Couldn't get anything going up front, only one team in it down the stretch with the Rossies reeling in the win from 7-3 and then 8-4 down.
Comer injury the biggest disaster, looks like it could have be yery serious, sad to see.
Good win for Roscommon. Was the wind a factor as it usually is in Salthill? Roscommon 1st half and Galway 2nd half with just 0-3.
What type of injury did Comer get, wishing him a speedy recovery
Ref for Armagh v Mayo is the type I despise.
Forward can take 10 steps. Every contact is a foul. Impossible to be a defender under those constraints.
Mayo ahead after being 4 points down
Calling Milltown Row
Great win for us in Omagj today, easily our best performance since Kerry last year at the end of the league. In saying that, Donegal were absolutely atrocious, how the feck they beat Kerry last week is anyone's guess.
Particularly pleased with our togerish defence and movement getting the ball forward, much more use of the wings and some great ball into the forwards. Still lots to work on too as we'd a few very good chances to work goals that we didn't exploit.
Galway getting turned over by the Rossies puts a slightly different slant on our result down there last week, clearly a team in good form.
In general a much more positive outlook for Tyrone heading into our next.game.
Honestly one of the worst games of football I've ever seen in Salthill today. Certainly at intercounty level. I've probably seen worse club games alright in the depths of winter but the conditions were pretty good today. Worryingly for Galway with no Walsh, Comer and Finnerty they looked completely devoid of scoring power against the Roscommon blanket defence. And that was probably the difference in the game. Galway were missing their main scorers while Roscommon had them all on the field at various points and that was enough for Roscommon to get a couple late scores and a couple late frees to get over the line. With almost the last kick of the game.
Awful game of football though. Lots of lateral even backwards football. Both sides getting pretty much everyone behind the ball. Had a great view of it from almost the back of the stand. Galway usually tried to leave one maybe two up but Roscommon often had all 15 behind the ball. Especially during the 2nd half. Galway's attack was so slow though that they gave Roscommon plenty of time to funnel players back.
Ref was atrocious. Three Roscommon players got in a shouting match with him mid way through the 2nd half (after a soft enough free in fairness). He booked one of them but it seemed to rattle him and after that they got a very generous whistle from him for the final 15 minutes. Clear foul on McDaid turned down that would have been a tap over point. Fairly dubious free on Glynn who had the ball right at the end that led to the last Roscommon score to win the game. Galway had pushed up looking for the late winner and got caught short on numbers at the back.
That's 2 points Galway have dropped to basically the last kick of the game two weeks on the trot. And with the injury situation I'd say they have a battle on their hands to stay up now. Galway were lucky with injuries last year. Pretty much kept everyone fit and available but very different this year so far.
Not sure what happened to Comer. Went flying in early on for a high ball and I thought he might have ran into the post and knocked himself out. But apparently has been seen on crutches and a protective boot.
armagh have imploded. Lost count of the stupid 2nd half turnovers
Aidan O'Shea is completely gassed here.
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armagh have imploded. Lost count of the stupid 2nd half turnovers
It's Mayo's turn to implode now.
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Aidan O'Shea is completely gassed here.
Between that and the referee signalling for a pull on every tackle, this will end up a draw
1 point game. Great experience for Armagh
Wtf are Mayo playing at?
Draw probably about right. Neither deserved to win it
All Mayo had to do was hold possession down in the corner.
Idiotic to take that shot on.
What a joke of a free to give Armagh the draw.
Mayo self destructed although injury time as well
Anyone see the ref letting Rafferty retake last kickout when there was an armagh player inside the 21. Should have been a hop ball
Oneill dived for that last free too
Quote from: tyroneman on February 05, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
What a joke of a free to give Armagh the draw.
Mayo self destructed although injury time as well
Agree on both
Quote from: tyroneman on February 05, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
What a joke of a free to give Armagh the draw.
Mayo self destructed although injury time as well
Never a foul in a million years.
The standard of inter county refereeing is not good.
Not sure how we got a draw out of that, we were second best for most of the game but we'll take a point. I think it was the crowd momentum that won us the point. Bit of a reality check though and some of the team selection needs looked at for the next day.
A pleasing draw for Armagh after I thought we were going to get tanked.
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What a joke of a free to give Armagh the draw.
Mayo self destructed although injury time as well
Never a foul in a million years.
The standard of inter county refereeing is not good.
That particular referee is awful. Any touch on O'Neill there and he was going to give a free.
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Oneill dived for that last free too
Ref was brutal in last 10 mins, I woulkd say free count was 4/1 or something.
Having said that, Armagh could have easily have had two goals in last six minutes, pure bad luck they didnt.
Eoghan Mcloughlin second week in a row, took a stupid FFin shot, in added time.
Mayo were leaderless in backline in last 15 mins. I though Coen had been taken off, until he stupidly took a quick free in fourth minute of added time, with Matthew Ruane sprawled on the ground next to him, Did he think we were losing ??.
Are people actually complaining about Armagh getting a soft free? Clearly didn't watch the full game
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Are people actually complaining about Armagh getting a soft free? Clearly didn't watch the full game
Saw most of the second half and ref was seriously hard on Mayo imo. Also, rafferty is a great man to field and burst through lines but his hand passing distribution is shocking.
The incident that sticks in my mind abut the ref is the mayo #4 getting schooled on the nearside sideline. He then dragged the forward down by the jersey. As cynical as you like. No card. Sure enough near the end the #4 got his yellow when it really should have been a red
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Are people actually complaining about Armagh getting a soft free? Clearly didn't watch the full game
It's mostly Tyrone fans so that's to be expected.
Ref highly influenced by home crowd and was free happy for Armagh coming into the home front. Same as Referee for Mayo in McHale park last week v Galway. That what comes with an away fixture. You are either able to adapt to this situation or you flounder. Complaining will do you no good!
Battling display by Armagh to grab a point when it looked lost at 0-17 to 0-12 with 67 minutes played. Both have a lot of improving to do to reach championship expectations..
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 05, 2023, 04:44:42 PM
Great win for us in Omagj today, easily our best performance since Kerry last year at the end of the league. In saying that, Donegal were absolutely atrocious, how the feck they beat Kerry last week is anyone's guess.
Particularly pleased with our togerish defence and movement getting the ball forward, much more use of the wings and some great ball into the forwards. Still lots to work on too as we'd a few very good chances to work goals that we didn't exploit.
Galway getting turned over by the Rossies puts a slightly different slant on our result down there last week, clearly a team in good form.
In general a much more positive outlook for Tyrone heading into our next.game.
They played much better last week in a home game against the AI champions?
They have some inexperienced players in the line up due to injuries and retirements and players taking a break?
It's the early rounds of the league?
Tyrone had more at stake?
Armaghs first point looked over to me. Anyone who was watching on tele able to confirm of the umpires made the right call?
Quote from: Orior on February 05, 2023, 05:16:23 PM
A pleasing draw for Armagh after I thought we were going to get tanked.
O ye of little faith
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2023, 05:49:09 PM
Armaghs first point looked over to me. Anyone who was watching on tele able to confirm of the umpires made the right call?
Armagh's first point was over , that's why they gave it 😀
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 05, 2023, 04:44:42 PM
Great win for us in Omagj today, easily our best performance since Kerry last year at the end of the league. In saying that, Donegal were absolutely atrocious, how the feck they beat Kerry last week is anyone's guess.
Particularly pleased with our togerish defence and movement getting the ball forward, much more use of the wings and some great ball into the forwards. Still lots to work on too as we'd a few very good chances to work goals that we didn't exploit.
Galway getting turned over by the Rossies puts a slightly different slant on our result down there last week, clearly a team in good form.
In general a much more positive outlook for Tyrone heading into our next.game.
They played much better last week in a home game against the AI champions?
They have some inexperienced players in the line up due to injuries and retirements and players taking a break?
It's the early rounds of the league?
Tyrone had more at stake?
Some of your passing/distribution today (especially in 2nd half) must have drove you mad...very poor
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Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2023, 05:49:09 PM
Armaghs first point looked over to me. Anyone who was watching on tele able to confirm of the umpires made the right call?
Armagh's first point was over , that's why they gave it 😀
I will rephrase. The first free ONeill took
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Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2023, 05:49:09 PM
Armaghs first point looked over to me. Anyone who was watching on tele able to confirm of the umpires made the right call?
Armagh's first point was over , that's why they gave it 😀
I will rephrase. The first free ONeill took
Certainly looked over the bar on the telly.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
Definitely agree on those team selections, I think Hall is an impact sub at best certainly not a starting player and McQuillan deserves a run in the side to see what he can do, he has nearly always made an impact coming off the bench. Geezer used to do the same with Soupy until he was left with no option but to start him. If Rafferty can erase an odd moment of madness then he is the most effective goalkeeper in the country for what he brings to the team in a ball carrying capacity and he has that Rian O'Neill trait of being able to put a mistake very quickly behind him.
We have a big problem at midfield though and only that the Mayo goalkeeper oddly opted to kick the ball out short for the last 10 minutes when we had pressed high up the pitch (after we had been cleaned out on long kick outs all match), I don't think we would have got anything out of that game today. One thing we know with Armagh at this stage is that they could be 7 points up but not have the game won and equally we could be 7 points down and still not be out of it.
Doesn't look great.
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Moved the Farrandeelin news to its own thread.
Quote from: tyroneman on February 05, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
What a joke of a free to give Armagh the draw.
Mayo self destructed although injury time as well
He tackled ONeill round the waist. Was a free all day
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
I remember discussing this with a couple of inter county footballers years ago and being told players don't want consistency from a referee. They want the correct decision and a sensible approach.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 05, 2023, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
I remember discussing this with a couple of inter county footballers years ago and being told players don't want consistency from a referee. They want the correct decision and a sensible approach.
Watch few minutes of the Armagh game today, there was a blatant free for Mayo, yet the Armagh lads complained like the ref was a 'cheat'.. here's the thing about players, they never foul any tackles they do are within the rules and the ref has it in for them... you couldn't please them if ya tried.
So the moral of the story is this, players want every call going their way regardless
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
On the ref I'd say he gave them a few soft frees and denied us some blatant frees. Mayo woukd say the same - the opposite way obviously. Say what you want about the decisions he made or didn't make but he was consistent in them
Quote from: David McKeown on February 05, 2023, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
I remember discussing this with a couple of inter county footballers years ago and being told players don't want consistency from a referee. They want the correct decision and a sensible approach.
Beat me to it, what good is consistency if you're just a bad ref. I don't think you could teach what Pat McEneaney brought to the reffing game, a lot of appeared inate, but no doubt he got better with experience.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 05, 2023, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
I remember discussing this with a couple of inter county footballers years ago and being told players don't want consistency from a referee. They want the correct decision and a sensible approach.
Beat me to it, what good is consistency if you're just a bad ref. I don't think you could teach what Pat McEneaney brought to the reffing game, a lot of appeared inate, but no doubt he got better with experience.
I could say that I was at a match that Pat did and thought he was awful, plain awful and gave the 'home' team everything. And we lost because of his actions. It's all about opinions really.
Athletic grounds is a great place for a game. Full house or near enough, and very sound Armagh crowd. There was good craic, probably helped because both teams had their patches and nobody lost!
Thought it was a soft free at the end, but that was some roar when it went over.
Both teams have to stop fading out of games, but when they were on top, they looked v good.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 05, 2023, 10:24:45 PM
Athletic grounds is a great place for a game. Full house or near enough, and very sound Armagh crowd. There was good craic, probably helped because both teams had their patches and nobody lost!
Thought it was a soft free at the end, but that was some roar when it went over.
Both teams have to stop fading out of games, but when they were on top, they looked v good.
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Last free was perhaps a little soft but he gave a very similar one to Mayo which put them 16-11 up. Both had 2 arns round the man but with no real force.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2023, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 05, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
What a joke of a free to give Armagh the draw.
Mayo self destructed although injury time as well
He tackled ONeill round the waist. Was a free all day
Just watched it there now. No way tackle around the waist. He had his arm out and o'neill jumped straight into it, smart move however even the commentators said soft free
D'y'ever see Rian O'Neill's frees?
He makes the ref think he's going to run back towards the point of the free, with his back turned to the goals. Then when he goes to move, he simply turns and faces the goal and makes up a couple of more yards before striking. I'd say he makes 5 yards every time. Hurson fell for it every time last week. Same again this week.
Armagh should be deducted points.
Is there an appeals process? CCCC will act fast
Quote from: Tubberman on February 05, 2023, 10:24:45 PM
Athletic grounds is a great place for a game. Full house or near enough, and very sound Armagh crowd. There was good craic, probably helped because both teams had their patches and nobody lost!
Thought it was a soft free at the end, but that was some roar when it went over.
Both teams have to stop fading out of games, but when they were on top, they looked v good.
Just watched the highlights there. Great battle played out in front of a huge crowd. The Athletic Grounds is as good a stadium in the country to watch a game of football.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 05, 2023, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
I remember discussing this with a couple of inter county footballers years ago and being told players don't want consistency from a referee. They want the correct decision and a sensible approach.
Beat me to it, what good is consistency if you're just a bad ref. I don't think you could teach what Pat McEneaney brought to the reffing game, a lot of appeared inate, but no doubt he got better with experience.
I could say that I was at a match that Pat did and thought he was awful, plain awful and gave the 'home' team everything. And we lost because of his actions. It's all about opinions really.
Yeah I always thought he was overrated as a ref and favoured the bigger teams but as you say a matter of opinion. At IC level I still think refs need more help. Either in the form of more linesmen with more power or the provision of a second ref or dare I say it. A panel of professional referees. The game is too big, too fast and too professional in my opinion for a single amateur referee.
@David McKeown
I know what you're getting at, but as it currently stands, all too often when referees get proactive help from their linesmen and umpires, it tends to involve big decisions that change games (usually, off the ball striking or wrestling). Which would be okay except same linesmen and umpires will accidentally and sometimes knowingly avoid bringing other similar incidents to the ref's attention. So instead of getting one inconsistent interpretation of the action, we get 7 of them.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 08:06:52 AM
@David McKeown
I know what you're getting at, but as it currently stands, all too often when referees get proactive help from their linesmen and umpires, it tends to involve big decisions that change games (usually, off the ball striking or wrestling). Which would be okay except same linesmen and umpires will accidentally and sometimes knowingly avoid bringing other similar incidents to the ref's attention. So instead of getting one inconsistent interpretation of the action, we get 7 of them.
A possible solution is to give the linesmen (who unlike the soccer lads, are all proper ref's) the chance to 'wave' a fleg to call a foul, we can help after an incident but unable to call it live, if ya know what I mean...
They are dong this as a 'pastime' it's not a full paying job, anyone that says he gets paid is a twat, just laying that out there early on as I'm bored of hearing that one, the expenses to cover food and fuel and picking up 4 umpires and driving them at early doors to go to a game doesn't cover the shit that you get.
So they either making it professional and the referees can leave their jobs and put all their effort into it, would need to be a decent set up and pay for a lot of them to leave and do it properly
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Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 08:06:52 AM
@David McKeown
I know what you're getting at, but as it currently stands, all too often when referees get proactive help from their linesmen and umpires, it tends to involve big decisions that change games (usually, off the ball striking or wrestling). Which would be okay except same linesmen and umpires will accidentally and sometimes knowingly avoid bringing other similar incidents to the ref's attention. So instead of getting one inconsistent interpretation of the action, we get 7 of them.
A possible solution is to give the linesmen (who unlike the soccer lads, are all proper ref's) the chance to 'wave' a fleg to call a foul, we can help after an incident but unable to call it live, if ya know what I mean...
They are dong this as a 'pastime' it's not a full paying job, anyone that says he gets paid is a twat, just laying that out there early on as I'm bored of hearing that one, the expenses to cover food and fuel and picking up 4 umpires and driving them at early doors to go to a game doesn't cover the shit that you get.
So they either making it professional and the referees can leave their jobs and put all their effort into it, would need to be a decent set up and pay for a lot of them to leave and do it properly
I think my point is that currently I don't think officiating is up to the standards of the rest of the games. I refuse to believe that's because there are no good refs out there. So I think something has to change to be able to support them. I can't think of a sport where so little assistance is given in real time to a referee who has to cover so much ground and has as many points of potential offence as GAA has.
Yep I would strongly agree on this and that's not a slight on refs MR before you go mad again ;D
The speed of our games and the amount of stuff that goes on - it is barely possible for one person to keep track of it.
Not viable at lower levels but how much money is in the top level of the game - something could be done.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 06, 2023, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2023, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2023, 08:06:52 AM
@David McKeown
I know what you're getting at, but as it currently stands, all too often when referees get proactive help from their linesmen and umpires, it tends to involve big decisions that change games (usually, off the ball striking or wrestling). Which would be okay except same linesmen and umpires will accidentally and sometimes knowingly avoid bringing other similar incidents to the ref's attention. So instead of getting one inconsistent interpretation of the action, we get 7 of them.
A possible solution is to give the linesmen (who unlike the soccer lads, are all proper ref's) the chance to 'wave' a fleg to call a foul, we can help after an incident but unable to call it live, if ya know what I mean...
They are dong this as a 'pastime' it's not a full paying job, anyone that says he gets paid is a twat, just laying that out there early on as I'm bored of hearing that one, the expenses to cover food and fuel and picking up 4 umpires and driving them at early doors to go to a game doesn't cover the shit that you get.
So they either making it professional and the referees can leave their jobs and put all their effort into it, would need to be a decent set up and pay for a lot of them to leave and do it properly
I think my point is that currently I don't think officiating is up to the standards of the rest of the games. I refuse to believe that's because there are no good refs out there. So I think something has to change to be able to support them. I can't think of a sport where so little assistance is given in real time to a referee who has to cover so much ground and has as many points of potential offence as GAA has.
I agree on the standard on officiating but I don't think it's a lack of support, so much as it being a nigh-on impossible task. Fixing it I think requires direction and determination in a few areas:
1. Most referees try to not in inhibit attacking play, which means that most referees allow attackers 6, 7, 8 steps. Which makes clean, skilled defending an almost impossible task, and inevitably leads to frustration, packed defence and foul-ridden games. This should be such an easy fix for everyone in the association. But it seems as through just referees just like watching scores, regardless of their legitimatacy.
2. Ireland (especially the wee 6) has a national obsession with whataboutery. Pundits, spectators, managers and players are perennially feasting on whataboutery. They don't care for rules. They don't care for consistency. They just care that some perceived wrongdoings (even as far back as 20 years ago) are corrected, in the form of an opposing team suffering an equal of worse injustice. This is a national psyche problem so is borderline impossible to fix. But watching referees bow to this influence and "evening up" their decisions is almost as common as watching referees.
3. I often despair at how how referees change behaviour / style when in the final 10 minutes of a close game. Up to that point, the black card doesn't exist. Up to that point, frees are hard to come by. The exact level of stoppage time is determined by an equation which is: 1-point game: unlimited, 2-point game: the original specified amount, 3-point game: the time taken for the losing team to form 3 attacks, 4-point or more game, blow up a little early unless there's clear intent from the losing team. They often seem to will a draw, as the fairest result.
Like most of the Galway posters we knew we were in for a tough start although could easily have 4 points but the lack of collective training has come back to bite as we feared.
Galway aren't serious challengers for an All Ireland without Comer, hoping its not as bad as it looks but rarely is. Not heard anything on Finnerty since the Mayo game but given games are practically every week I doubt he'll play much part in the league and the same goes for Culhane. Just read Joyce said after the match Finnerty will be out for between 4-6 weeks.
Could well be one of those years, going into the season without Silke & Molloy was bad enough but add in all those injuries to the scoring forwards its to keep positive.
Lets hope others stand up.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 06, 2023, 10:05:44 AM
Like most of the Galway posters we knew we were in for a tough start although could easily have 4 points but the lack of collective training has come back to bite as we feared.
Galway aren't serious challengers for an All Ireland without Comer, hoping its not as bad as it looks but rarely is. Not heard anything on Finnerty since the Mayo game but given games are practically every week I doubt he'll play much part in the league and the same goes for Culhane. Just read Joyce said after the match Finnerty will be out for between 4-6 weeks.
Could well be one of those years, going into the season without Silke & Molloy was bad enough but add in all those injuries to the scoring forwards its to keep positive.
Lets hope others stand up.
The squeezed calendar is not kind to teams with injured players.
Never boring watching Armagh or Mayo anyway. Great game and great to genuinely be able to compete with the big teams again. That early score was 100% over but given wide, joke of a call and hope it doesnt end up costing us later! Rossies with 2 big wins so will be a tough place to go, fair play to them as plenty tipped them from the drop.
Referee yesterday was absolutely abysmal for both teams. Far far too soft, players going down after any contact and it was a free. Who tf wants to see that
Quote from: ONeill on February 05, 2023, 10:50:27 PM
D'y'ever see Rian O'Neill's frees?
He makes the ref think he's going to run back towards the point of the free, with his back turned to the goals. Then when he goes to move, he simply turns and faces the goal and makes up a couple of more yards before striking. I'd say he makes 5 yards every time. Hurson fell for it every time last week. Same again this week.
Armagh should be deducted points.
He's some boy for clocking up sly fouls as well, even got time to lower his knees gently in to the Mayo physio when Carr was taken out of it on the sideline 1st half.
I said yesterday that if we got back to a one point game it was obvious Kelly would give us a free in. Delighted we got it but never a free in a million years.
It nearly felt too big of a game/occasion for Kelly yesterday.
Armagh V Mayo. Wow. Where to start?
From 6 up with 6 to go Mayo do a Mayo and fail to win. Nobody wanted the ball from the kick outs when they really needed someone to stand up. Then once they did break the cover and a simple point was on offer, did they take it?.... No. No they engaged full Mayo mode and took a crazy shot. There is something wrong with this group. Failure to make the correct decisions under pressure has cost them umpteen times. I see no change in that loser or losing mentality.
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2023, 12:24:50 PM
Armagh V Mayo. Wow. Where to start?
From 6 up with 6 to go Mayo do a Mayo and fail to win. Nobody wanted the ball from the kick outs when they really needed someone to stand up. Then once they did break the cover and a simple point was on offer, did they take it?.... No. No they engaged full Mayo mode and took a crazy shot. There is something wrong with this group. Failure to make the correct decisions under pressure has cost them umpteen times. I see no change in that loser or losing mentality.
Tell me of the umpteen times? I can think of one - the AI final v Tyrone 2021. Looking forward to the others.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Never boring watching Armagh or Mayo anyway. Great game and great to genuinely be able to compete with the big teams again. That early score was 100% over but given wide, joke of a call and hope it doesnt end up costing us later! Rossies with 2 big wins so will be a tough place to go, fair play to them as plenty tipped them from the drop.
Referee yesterday was absolutely abysmal for both teams. Far far too soft, players going down after any contact and it was a free. Who tf wants to see that
As a neutral, he definitely favoured Armagh.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 06, 2023, 10:05:44 AM
Like most of the Galway posters we knew we were in for a tough start although could easily have 4 points but the lack of collective training has come back to bite as we feared.
Galway aren't serious challengers for an All Ireland without Comer, hoping its not as bad as it looks but rarely is. Not heard anything on Finnerty since the Mayo game but given games are practically every week I doubt he'll play much part in the league and the same goes for Culhane. Just read Joyce said after the match Finnerty will be out for between 4-6 weeks.
Could well be one of those years, going into the season without Silke & Molloy was bad enough but add in all those injuries to the scoring forwards its to keep positive.
Lets hope others stand up.
The league and championship have been shoehorned into a smaller time space with more games. There are going to be lots of injuries and it will benefit the stronger panels.
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1619816562419974144
Pressure on players . No down time
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1619815477336834050&t=84s
There was soft frees galore during the match, that was no certainly no free at the end. Ryan O'Donoghue certainly knows how to win a free, its bad enough that he's small enough without him ducking into challenges.
Quote from: Mario on February 06, 2023, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2023, 10:46:06 AM
Never boring watching Armagh or Mayo anyway. Great game and great to genuinely be able to compete with the big teams again. That early score was 100% over but given wide, joke of a call and hope it doesnt end up costing us later! Rossies with 2 big wins so will be a tough place to go, fair play to them as plenty tipped them from the drop.
Referee yesterday was absolutely abysmal for both teams. Far far too soft, players going down after any contact and it was a free. Who tf wants to see that
As a neutral, he definitely favoured Armagh.
They got a good few soft frees at the end to even it up.
Grugan took some dive that time he ran through in 2nd half. By the way he went down I thought Armagh were gonna need the Air Ambulance but thankfully he got up and was able to play on through the pain barrier.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 06, 2023, 01:08:06 PM
There was soft frees galore during the match, that was no certainly no free at the end. Ryan O'Donoghue certainly knows how to win a free, its bad enough that he's small enough without him ducking into challenges.
Yep, ref was poor for both teams, and he seemed to favour whoever had the momentum, which is not a good sign.
Felt as though Mayo got a lot of handy frees but then I'll obviously notice those more so than ours! We seemed to catch on late in the second half to go down under any contact and you'll get a free. Last free was very soft, but we were due it since we were robbed of s point early on
These things balance themselves out over a season.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 06, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 06, 2023, 01:08:06 PM
There was soft frees galore during the match, that was no certainly no free at the end. Ryan O'Donoghue certainly knows how to win a free, its bad enough that he's small enough without him ducking into challenges.
Yep, ref was poor for both teams, and he seemed to favour whoever had the momentum, which is not a good sign.
Far far too soft imo
Soft free is such a GAA concept.
Are Armagh supporters still happy with the Ethan Rafferty experiment? Seems to mix the very good with the very bad.
Quote from: square_ball on February 06, 2023, 03:32:38 PM
Are Armagh supporters still happy with the Ethan Rafferty experiment? Seems to mix the very good with the very bad.
its very risky so its 50/50 at the moment
but tbf he is very safe under the high ball in which is a help
Should have conceded another gaol on sunday with a poor kickout but his strong running outfield definitely is an added atribute.
the summer will tell a tale as am sure better teams will target him out of his nets on a turnover
Quote from: square_ball on February 06, 2023, 03:32:38 PM
Are Armagh supporters still happy with the Ethan Rafferty experiment? Seems to mix the very good with the very bad.
Yes. Unbelievable under the high ball but kickouts still need work. Coming out the field gives us that extra man, invaluable asset
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Quote from: square_ball on February 06, 2023, 03:32:38 PM
Are Armagh supporters still happy with the Ethan Rafferty experiment? Seems to mix the very good with the very bad.
its very risky so its 50/50 at the moment
but tbf he is very safe under the high ball in which is a help
Should have conceded another gaol on sunday with a poor kickout but his strong running outfield definitely is an added atribute.
the summer will tell a tale as am sure better teams will target him out of his nets on a turnover
I wasnt happy with it initially but I think utilised correctly its fantastic. I dont think the balls given away on kickouts are all his fault with Armagh's kickout strategy being sorely lacking when teams push up. I think the goal chance Mayo squandered at the end was more a result of the fact that it was the end of the game and Armagh were desperately seeking an equaliser. As you say he was excellent under the high ball yesterday and really commanding of his area. So I am happy to persist with it but I still think more work needs done on creating options and mismatches for him to exploit.
I get the impression from Rafferty that nothing seems to phase him. If he makes a mistake, he shrugs it off and does better then next time. With the way he plays there is a mistake in him and in the future it could be costly.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2023, 05:49:09 PM
Armaghs first point looked over to me. Anyone who was watching on tele able to confirm of the umpires made the right call?
Yeah looked over on the replay, good draw but both teams had the winning of it. Criticism of the Ref is harsh seeing all the frees on replay it was hard to fault him. Aidan O'Shea was immense in that 2nd half. Armagh are squandering to many chances.
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 05, 2023, 06:19:08 PM
Armagh have played 20 minutes football over 2 games and have 3 points on the board so that is a positive, McCabe is available after suspension for the next game and hopefully some injuries will clear up soon. Ross McQuillan surely deserves a start? What does Hall offer - I just can't understand how he continually gets a starting spot.
17-17 sounds like a great game but I thought it was Shite bar the last 10 minutes tbh (& freezing). Made no use of a significant breeze in the 1st half at all, very little direct ball played in - the wind totally died away in the 2nd half too so Mayo didn't have that advantage. I dunno who I would have given MOTM to, probably Ethan Rafferty, he made a few mistakes but he's got a big set of balls and never shys away from it. Turbitt is a top quality player, looks like a bit of a lazy sod sometimes but there's gold in them boots.
Edit - the ref was terrible, blew every tiny bit of contact, just awful.
So the ref was consistent in calling frees? So no benefit to either team at least players know then what they can do and not do
I remember discussing this with a couple of inter county footballers years ago and being told players don't want consistency from a referee. They want the correct decision and a sensible approach.
Watch few minutes of the Armagh game today, there was a blatant free for Mayo, yet the Armagh lads complained like the ref was a 'cheat'.. here's the thing about players, they never foul any tackles they do are within the rules and the ref has it in for them... you couldn't please them if ya tried.
So the moral of the story is this, players want every call going their way regardless
Complaining was going both ways, I thought the Ref did well.
Quote from: seafoid on February 06, 2023, 02:41:51 PM
Soft free is such a GAA concept.
Galway got a free yesterday, that wasn't a free to my eyes, a soft one that was tapped over the bar. Ref knew he made a mistake I'd say and gave everything to the Rossies after that, this craic of evening it all up will never change.
Hopefully the injury to Comer isn't a bad as fear. Watching the incident last night it seemed to happen when he landed awkward
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 06, 2023, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 06, 2023, 02:41:51 PM
Soft free is such a GAA concept.
Galway got a free yesterday, that wasn't a free to my eyes, a soft one that was tapped over the bar. Ref knew he made a mistake I'd say and gave everything to the Rossies after that, this craic of evening it all up will never change.
A lecture/advice from Niall Daly probably helped too ;D
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Are Armagh supporters still happy with the Ethan Rafferty experiment? Seems to mix the very good with the very bad.
its very risky so its 50/50 at the moment
but tbf he is very safe under the high ball in which is a help
Should have conceded another gaol on sunday with a poor kickout but his strong running outfield definitely is an added atribute.
the summer will tell a tale as am sure better teams will target him out of his nets on a turnover
I wasnt happy with it initially but I think utilised correctly its fantastic. I dont think the balls given away on kickouts are all his fault with Armagh's kickout strategy being sorely lacking when teams push up. I think the goal chance Mayo squandered at the end was more a result of the fact that it was the end of the game and Armagh were desperately seeking an equaliser. As you say he was excellent under the high ball yesterday and really commanding of his area. So I am happy to persist with it but I still think more work needs done on creating options and mismatches for him to exploit.
I don't think we've had a commanding full back for a while but in many ways he compensates that with his presence back there. He's fearless, coming for everything and generally taking the ball and the man with him. He can and should be able to cut out some of the basic mistakes that are coughing up scores.
At the end in Armagh it came down to the last 2 plays, Cillian O'Connor having a brain fárt when hastily shooting wide from a difficult angle, he had a free player on the inside in a better position or could've done something else. In contrast Rian O'Neill kept his wits about him, took a chance selling the 'foul' to the ref, but it must have been in his head that the ref had been buying those all game.
It was not Cillian O Connor, he passed the ball to Eoghan McLoughlin,
Who stupidly/ inexplicably hoofed it wide.
Cillian O Connor couldn't believe what he did, look at it again.
Was just about to say it was EML, who actually had a similar rush of blood last week as well. CoC had his head in his hands. Was madness
Quote from: joemamas on February 06, 2023, 05:07:12 PM
It was not Cillian O Connor, he passed the ball to Eoghan McLoughlin,
Who stupidly/ inexplicably hoofed it wide.
Cillian O Connor couldn't believe what he did, look at it again.
Mayo players gonna do what Mayo players do.
Quote from: joemamas on February 06, 2023, 05:07:12 PM
It was not Cillian O Connor, he passed the ball to Eoghan McLoughlin,
Who stupidly/ inexplicably hoofed it wide.
Cillian O Connor couldn't believe what he did, look at it again.
I will not look at it again, I believe you :)
Post by Syferus at 4.53 pm yesterday
Armagh doing Armagh things. How anyone convinced themselves they turned a leaf I will never know.
Commiserations to the anti-McStayites, thoug
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Post by Syferus at 4.53 pm yesterday
Armagh doing Armagh things. How anyone convinced themselves they turned a leaf I will never know.
Commiserations to the anti-McStayites, thoug
:).
Last week against Monaghan we were 5 or 6 up seemed to be cruising and I said game is far from over, we nearly managed to throw it away, this week we were 5 down and looked dead and buried but obviously managed to get back. You'll definitely get full value for your ticket with this team! Good to see us getting 2 decent results when in other years we could habe very easily lost both tight games
While the Eoghan McLaughlin shot was pure madness, I'd be even more pissed off with how Mayo approached Rafferty's kick out on 67 minutes. Mayo were 5 points up, 3 minutes of normal time left and they push up on the kick out as if they were a point behind.
Armagh win the kick out, score from it and the come back basically begins from there.
There's times in games to sit back and there's times in games to push up, surely Mayo have been practicing scenarios like that in training. To not see out the win from that point was criminal at this level.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 06, 2023, 09:33:59 PM
While the Eoghan McLaughlin shot was pure madness, I'd be even more pissed off with how Mayo approached Rafferty's kick out on 67 minutes. Mayo were 5 points up, 3 minutes of normal time left and they push up on the kick out as if they were a point behind.
Armagh win the kick out, score from it and the come back basically begins from there.
There's times in games to sit back and there's times in games to push up, surely Mayo have been practicing scenarios like that in training. To not see out the win from that point was criminal at this level.
Ah I dunno about that. When you're ahead and you have the momentum, why start sitting back and hand the initiative to the opposition!?
Once Armagh got the momentum and the crowd behind them, it was one way traffic, aided by a ref who was as caught up in the occasion as the crowd
Seen the free on Tg4 the night, not remotely a free., but how Mayo give up 5pts in 9mins is anyone's guess.
It wasn't a free . O Neill clearly played for it,but took it well
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Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 06, 2023, 09:33:59 PM
While the Eoghan McLaughlin shot was pure madness, I'd be even more pissed off with how Mayo approached Rafferty's kick out on 67 minutes. Mayo were 5 points up, 3 minutes of normal time left and they push up on the kick out as if they were a point behind.
Armagh win the kick out, score from it and the come back basically begins from there.
There's times in games to sit back and there's times in games to push up, surely Mayo have been practicing scenarios like that in training. To not see out the win from that point was criminal at this level.
Ah I dunno about that. When you're ahead and you have the momentum, why start sitting back and hand the initiative to the opposition!?
Once Armagh got the momentum and the crowd behind them, it was one way traffic, aided by a ref who was as caught up in the occasion as the crowd
A ref that tends to penalise contact will always favour the team on the front foot at that stage of the game.
Has anyone yet suggested what Jemar Hall brings to the Armagh team?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 06, 2023, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 06, 2023, 02:41:51 PM
Soft free is such a GAA concept.
Galway got a free yesterday, that wasn't a free to my eyes, a soft one that was tapped over the bar. Ref knew he made a mistake I'd say and gave everything to the Rossies after that, this craic of evening it all up will never change.
That's exactly what I thought at the game. Very very soft free and the Roscommon lads (with some justification) went absolutely bananas with him and after that we couldn't get a decision off him. Few minutes later, McDaid was clearly fouled bursting through on goal and he waved it away. Would have been a tap over free. The decision against Glynn right at the end that led to the winning point was extremely dubious. Looked much more like a foul on Glynn first. The Rossies around us had their heads in their hands as they assumed it was a free in to win the game for Galway. Only to see him pointing back up the field for a free out.
Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 07, 2023, 12:25:13 PM
Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Maybe corner back
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Dubs worst team in years took Kerry to the wire. Don't think Galway will beat them any time soon, think ourselves have a bit to go to get to that level as well, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal etc don't look like touching Kerry. Dublin they're only serious threat at the minute.
Monaghan are dropping off a bit but yes I'd agree. The only team who can beat Kerry is Dublin for me too. They would need the older boys getting a run this year and would need O'Callaghan fit. I would still maintain that with O'Callaghan fit they'd have beat Kerry last year. Now Kerry have the confidence though I think it's a different kettle of fish and with every year there are a few less of the really good Dubs team who they do need to hold onto. Definitely the only ones capable IMO. Mayo, Armagh or Galway for me just not quite good enough. If Tyrone could absolutely peak they *maybe* could but the stars would kind of need to align for them too and it remains to be seen where they are.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2023, 04:07:39 PM
Monaghan are dropping off a bit but yes I'd agree. The only team who can beat Kerry is Dublin for me too. They would need the older boys getting a run this year and would need O'Callaghan fit. I would still maintain that with O'Callaghan fit they'd have beat Kerry last year. Now Kerry have the confidence though I think it's a different kettle of fish and with every year there are a few less of the really good Dubs team who they do need to hold onto. Definitely the only ones capable IMO. Mayo, Armagh or Galway for me just not quite good enough. If Tyrone could absolutely peak they *maybe* could but the stars would kind of need to align for them too and it remains to be seen where they are.
Strange that I would fancy Derry and Armagh to beat Tyrone in Ulster championship but would give Tyrone the best chance of beating Kerry
Yeah I would agree with that. Dunno if that was maybe a Harte thing but they generally peaked at the right time of year.
I think Kerry will be very hard to beat over the next year or two, now that they have won one
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Ah, your having a laugh. Rose tinted glasses and a skewed Kerry championship almost ensures Kerry Intermediate and Junior AI Club titles every year and makes the uneducated think that Kerry are stronger than they are. Monaghan are in decline and being down to 14 away is tough anywhere.
I'm not even going to mention the Donegal game.
Like a lot of AI winning teams, Kerry could drop off a little this year due to injuries, fatigue, lack of hunger etc. But then again, they might not.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2023, 04:07:39 PM
Monaghan are dropping off a bit but yes I'd agree. The only team who can beat Kerry is Dublin for me too. They would need the older boys getting a run this year and would need O'Callaghan fit. I would still maintain that with O'Callaghan fit they'd have beat Kerry last year. Now Kerry have the confidence though I think it's a different kettle of fish and with every year there are a few less of the really good Dubs team who they do need to hold onto. Definitely the only ones capable IMO. Mayo, Armagh or Galway for me just not quite good enough. If Tyrone could absolutely peak they *maybe* could but the stars would kind of need to align for them too and it remains to be seen where they are.
Strange that I would fancy Derry and Armagh to beat Tyrone in Ulster championship but would give Tyrone the best chance of beating Kerry
Probably agree with that myself, obviously because Tyrone managed it not so long ago, but I think Kerry have got a fair bit better since then and Tyrone have went backwards, even at that if Clifford hadn't got injured that day I doubt Tyrone would have beat them.
Quote from: Armamike on February 07, 2023, 04:53:58 PM
Like a lot of AI winning teams, Kerry could drop off a little this year due to injuries, fatigue, lack of hunger etc. But then again, they might not.
I think 2007 was the last time they retained the title but that was against Cork so it doesn't really count.
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Ah, your having a laugh. Rose tinted glasses and a skewed Kerry championship almost ensures Kerry Intermediate and Junior AI Club titles every year and makes the uneducated think that Kerry are stronger than they are. Monaghan are in decline and being down to 14 away is tough anywhere.
I'm not even going to mention the Donegal game.
No other stand out candidates. Tyrone and Donegal won't challenge for a couple years either. After the referee fiasco against Donegal I expect Jack to circle the wagons and get the Kerry mafia to put pressures on the reiteoirs.
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Monaghan are dropping off a bit but yes I'd agree. The only team who can beat Kerry is Dublin for me too. They would need the older boys getting a run this year and would need O'Callaghan fit. I would still maintain that with O'Callaghan fit they'd have beat Kerry last year. Now Kerry have the confidence though I think it's a different kettle of fish and with every year there are a few less of the really good Dubs team who they do need to hold onto. Definitely the only ones capable IMO. Mayo, Armagh or Galway for me just not quite good enough. If Tyrone could absolutely peak they *maybe* could but the stars would kind of need to align for them too and it remains to be seen where they are.
Strange that I would fancy Derry and Armagh to beat Tyrone in Ulster championship but would give Tyrone the best chance of beating Kerry
Probably agree with that myself, obviously because Tyrone managed it not so long ago, but I think Kerry have got a fair bit better since then and Tyrone have went backwards, even at that if Clifford hadn't got injured that day I doubt Tyrone would have beat them.
Agree with the above but one thing would say is Tyrone had 2 black cards in the game which I thought would have cost them the game
How long did Clifford play that day? Am I correct in saying he got injured a few minutes before the end of normal time?
Quote from: An Watcher on February 07, 2023, 07:09:13 PM
How long did Clifford play that day? Am I correct in saying he got injured a few minutes before the end of normal time?
Played the full game. Didn't appear for extra time.
We were down 2 of our all-stars, including our best forward, for 2 separate 10 min periods in the second half.
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Ah, your having a laugh. Rose tinted glasses and a skewed Kerry championship almost ensures Kerry Intermediate and Junior AI Club titles every year and makes the uneducated think that Kerry are stronger than they are. Monaghan are in decline and being down to 14 away is tough anywhere.
I'm not even going to mention the Donegal game.
Monaghan are in transition, not decline!!
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How long did Clifford play that day? Am I correct in saying he got injured a few minutes before the end of normal time?
Played the full game. Didn't appear for extra time.
We were down 2 of our all-stars, including our best forward, for 2 separate 10 min periods in the second half.
Yeah take nothing away from Tyrone that day, they really dug in and deserved the win against the odds, hats off as much as it pains me to say it. Although they've definitely gone backwards since then while Kerry have gotten stronger no doubt- Clifford is 2 years older and even better from then. Not saying Tyrone have no hope but they'd really need the stars to align and the rub of the green to beat Kerry again. Bar Dublin I don't think anyone will this year. Would absolutely love to play them with both teams at full strength though !
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Ah, your having a laugh. Rose tinted glasses and a skewed Kerry championship almost ensures Kerry Intermediate and Junior AI Club titles every year and makes the uneducated think that Kerry are stronger than they are. Monaghan are in decline and being down to 14 away is tough anywhere.
I'm not even going to mention the Donegal game.
Monaghan are in transition, not decline!!
Monaghan are trans. So they have a new name. Cavan
Quote from: Ulster Frank on February 07, 2023, 03:31:22 PM
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Weren't they saying the same about Tyrone a year and a bit ago?
And potentially they still could (If 4/5 means 4 of the next 5).
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Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
Weren't they saying the same about Tyrone a year and a bit ago?
And potentially they still could (If 4/5 means 4 of the next 5).
Who thought that about Tyrone? Was pretty inevitable that this Kerry side was going to win one sooner rather than later and likely a brave few more given the players they have!
Dublin still strong enough, stronger than there 00's teams. But I expect Kerry to win well this year, the first one the hardest to win. Need to look at their Midfield and not sure how a few of their forwards are starting and not Coming of the bench , couple of new lads might improve that. Armagh hasn't the defence, Mayo or Derry not the forwards. Monaghan /Donegal look poorer than last year, so that leaves Galway along with Tyrone. Galway don't look any better than last year, and who knows where Tyrone are excately at.
I think Kerry are definitely the team to beat but I don't think the gap is anywhere near as big as it was to Dublin during their period of dominance. Should be an excellent championship this year even if it's all over too soon
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 10:49:17 PM
Was pretty inevitable that this Kerry side was going to win one sooner rather than later and likely a brave few more given the players they have!
Needed serious improvement defensively to win it and remains to be seen if they can stay as solid at the back as that more good scoring forwards will be required to win a few more in the next few years.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 07, 2023, 10:55:36 PM
Dublin still strong enough, stronger than there 00's teams.
Dublin was so strong and successful because of their strength in depth they basically brought on like for like replacements. Unless they can find better bench options during this league campaign they could be getting closer to their 00's team.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 07, 2023, 10:49:17 PM
Was pretty inevitable that this Kerry side was going to win one sooner rather than later and likely a brave few more given the players they have!
Needed serious improvement defensively to win it and remains to be seen if they can stay as solid at the back as that more good scoring forwards will be required to win a few more in the next few years.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 07, 2023, 10:55:36 PM
Dublin still strong enough, stronger than there 00's teams.
Dublin was so strong and successful because of their strength in depth they basically brought on like for like replacements. Unless they can find better bench options during this league campaign they could be getting closer to their 00's team.
I don't think the young lads Dublin have are close to their great players they need to replace. Having said that, if McCaffrey, 'Mannion and Con are all fit and available they'll not be far away this year!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 07, 2023, 10:55:36 PM
Dublin still strong enough, stronger than there 00's teams. But I expect Kerry to win well this year, the first one the hardest to win. Need to look at their Midfield and not sure how a few of their forwards are starting and not Coming of the bench , couple of new lads might improve that. Armagh hasn't the defence, Mayo or Derry not the forwards. Monaghan /Donegal look poorer than last year, so that leaves Galway along with Tyrone. Galway don't look any better than last year, and who knows where Tyrone are excately at.
For Kerry the follow up is the hardest.
Quote from: Armamike on February 07, 2023, 04:53:58 PM
Like a lot of AI winning teams, Kerry could drop off a little this year due to injuries, fatigue, lack of hunger etc. But then again, they might not.
Are you sure that you've covered all the options?
Move Clifford to any other the 6-7 challengers and they'd immediately become favourites for the AI.
Kerry are justifiable favs but their season depends on his healthy and form. Though let's be honest his form seems assured at all times.
Kerry might kick on now and become a great team but were there to be beaten last year. Dublin had a horror start to semi-final but were still there or thereabouts, if Con O'Callaghan was fit to play Kerry don't make the final. I think because the outcome eventually went as widely expected and predicted that people have forgot that a flawed enough Galway team were well in the final with a shot until the last 5 minutes, the margins were very tight, few less mistakes and one or two more players showing up better, it could be a different result.
Now that the burden is off them and they have the medals, the squad they have available compared to other counties, having Clifford etc. then you'd have to have them as favourites but if they play to the same levels as last year, they are not unbeatable.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 09:57:27 AM
Kerry might kick on now and become a great team but were there to be beaten last year. Dublin had a horror start to semi-final but were still there or thereabouts, if Con O'Callaghan was fit to play Kerry don't make the final. I think because the outcome eventually went as widely expected and predicted that people have forgot that a flawed enough Galway team were well in the final with a shot until the last 5 minutes, the margins were very tight, few less mistakes and one or two more players showing up better, it could be a different result.
Now that the burden is off them and they have the medals, the squad they have available compared to other counties, having Clifford etc. then you'd have to have them as favourites but if they play to the same levels as last year, they are not unbeatable.
Yeah agreed, on a different day the Dubs had them beat and it took a monster free from O'Shea to win it- same with Galway in the final it could have finished up differently.
I think it depends on what version of Dublin turns up.
Time for a change from Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone.
Must be 18 out of last 20 won by them 3?
How teams handle the new system might have some influence.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2023, 10:19:19 AM
Time for a change from Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone.
Must be 18 out of last 20 won by them 3?
How teams handle the new system might have some influence.
Cork 2010 Donegal 2012. Who was last before that? Us in 02?
Hopefully ourselves/Galway/Mayo can make a break through within the next few years.
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Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2023, 10:19:19 AM
Time for a change from Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone.
Must be 18 out of last 20 won by them 3?
How teams handle the new system might have some influence.
Cork 2010 Donegal 2012. Who was last before that? Us in 02?
Hopefully ourselves/Galway/Mayo can make a break through within the next few years.
I think Tyrone might have won a few. The 00s were fine with a good spread of counties but the 10s were dreadful
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Quote from: Rossfan on February 08, 2023, 10:19:19 AM
Time for a change from Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone.
Must be 18 out of last 20 won by them 3?
How teams handle the new system might have some influence.
Cork 2010 Donegal 2012. Who was last before that? Us in 02?
Hopefully ourselves/Galway/Mayo can make a break through within the next few years.
I think Tyrone might have won a few. The 00s were fine with a good spread of counties but the 10s were dreadful
Rossfan said time for change from Kerry/Mayo/Tyrone. And those Tyrone ones are blanked from memory ;)
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
That is good news for Comer. It is always sad to see players who are only going to have a few seasons at the top then lose one of them because of injury. It may put pressure on Galway in the league though
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QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
There is a scenario where you miss out but it requires a lot of "weaker" teams to get to provincial finals which is unlikely to happen.
Quote from: Ulster Frank on February 07, 2023, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on February 07, 2023, 12:25:13 PM
Great performance by the Kerry full-forward line on Sunday.
Hard to see David Clifford getting his spot back now. Maybe he could do a job in midfield.
Kerry B team would win Division 2 and make last 8 of championship. Jack could win next 4/5 All Irelands with Mayo and the Dubs in transition. Clifford will only get better in coming years.
The Kerry B team lost to a very poor Donegal B team!
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
He's a brute of a man, I think he carries a wee bit too much timber but suppose that's his frame, that's probably why he takes a wee bit loknger to get fit than others.
The question has been asked a few times on J Hall, I'm fairly certain KMcG plays him for his tracking back and running. Spoiling players and an orange jersey in a space that the opposition won't run into. Now that's my theory but my own opinion what he brings to that side of the game he takes away in the attacking side of the game. He's a half forward who offers no attacking threat whatsoever and I personally would swap him out as I believe we have better options but who am I?.
As for the game last Sunday, I brought two Scottish guys to the game and had to appologise to them at HT for the poor standard of football from both teams and promised them it would get better in the second half. It did get better for Mayo who should have won at a canter but let Armagh have a sniff with a few minutes to go. TBF both Scottish guys loved it in the end and enjoyed the atmosphere espicially the last 5mins and +5mins injury time. think it was Benny said and I agree 100% we have played two games and have 3pts on the board and I say we've played well for 10 mins in Monaghan game and 10 mins v Mayo. Armagh have some very tough games coming up and need at least another win to stay safe but where are they gonna get it?, The Rossies are top but are they really that good?, they beat Tyrone scoring 3 goals that were gifted and from what i seen Galway were really poor last week. Rosscommon v Armagh next weekend will be a cracker with both teams targeting this game as their safety net and will probably end up 3-16 - 2-18 crazy scoreline.
As for the Ref last week...Thought he was poor enough, he gave some very soft free's to both teams for little to no contact. I hope things improve
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
I'm sure that Monaghan would love being in the Tailteann Cup because Cavan reached an Ulster final, but I expect that Armagh will prevent that situation arising.
Quote from: weareros on February 08, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.
If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 08, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.
If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?
Yes.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 08, 2023, 09:18:59 PM
I'm sure that Monaghan would love being in the Tailteann Cup because Cavan reached an Ulster final, but I expect that Armagh will prevent that situation arising.
I expect Dublin to stop that from happening!
Quote from: shark on February 08, 2023, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 08, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.
If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?
Yes.
That's probably something no one has thought of and probably needs added in that last years sam maguire winners get to defend it- just on the tiny chance a situation like that happens!
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 08, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.
If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?
You would really need probabilities for the provincial finals. The probability of galway, Mayo and ros on the same side of the Connacht draw was 6/20 in the last 20 years.
The probability of Dublin not playing in the Leinster final was 4/20 in the last 20 years.
So 6/20*4/20 = 24/400 = 6%
Multiply by the Munster and Ulster probabilities to get less than 1%. So once in a century.
Quote from: Orior on February 08, 2023, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 07, 2023, 04:53:58 PM
Like a lot of AI winning teams, Kerry could drop off a little this year due to injuries, fatigue, lack of hunger etc. But then again, they might not.
Are you sure that you've covered all the options?
Not sure. May or may not.
Quote from: seafoid on February 08, 2023, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 08, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
Many thanks. Interesting to see how it's possible at least.
If that scenario there played out but Galway finished last in Division One and, hypothetically speaking, had managed to win the AI final last July, would we be in a situation where the defending AI champs wouldn't be able to participate in the AI series but the winners of the Tailteann Cup would be?
You would really need probabilities for the provincial finals. The probability of galway, Mayo and ros on the same side of the Connacht draw was 6/20 in the last 20 years.
The probability of Dublin not playing in the Leinster final was 4/20 in the last 20 years.
So 6/20*4/20 = 24/400 = 6%
Multiply by the Munster and Ulster probabilities to get less than 1%. So once in a century.
Anything is possible, but the chances of that panning out are way less than 1% (ie once in a century).
For that to happen Dublin have to not get to a Leinster final. Cork have to get promoted ahead of Derry and Meath and then get beaten by Limerick in Munster, and Derry then have to get to the Ulster final where Cavan beat both Armagh and Donegal to get there.
If the current format is maintained I don't see a situation where a Division 1 team misses out on the All Ireland series.
If the Connacht Finalists are a disaster this year (hope not) You'll either have seeded Provincials (as in Leinster already) or else only the Champions get into Sam.
The fact that there's a chance that a Division 4 team will qualify because of the luck of the draw by beating other Division 4 teams whilst a Division 1 could miss out says it all, would be a farce.
Quote from: weareros on February 08, 2023, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 08, 2023, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 08, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 08, 2023, 12:18:16 PM
QuoteGalway and Annaghdown forward Damien Comer has received some good news from the results of a scan on the leg he injured in a collision with two Roscommon players last Sunday in Pearse Stadium. The injury happened in the early stages of a National League game in Pearse Stadium, which Galway ultimately lost by 0-9 to 0-8. The game was held up for almost 6 minutes as Comer was stretchered off, but it now appears there was no damage to the cruciate ligaments, but severe bone swelling will require a recovery period of 6 to 8 weeks, almost certainly ruling him out of the remainder of the league. With no surgery required, the Galway football management will be confident of having their All-Star forward back for their opening championship game on April 23rd against Mayo or Roscommon in a Connacht semi-final.
A huge relief its not his cruciate but Comer does take a while to get back to his best after returning from injury. Galway are due to play the winners of Mayo & Roscommon 11 weeks from him getting injured, wouldn't be too optimistic about him having much of an impact.
Agreed, I wouldn't bank on any impact in April but hopefully in the new fangled round robin system (I'm assuming that Galway should be there even if relegated from Div one and missing a Connacht final, is there any possible scenario where we miss out?) we'll see Comer back playing well.
If provincial finals panned out like this, last team in Div 1 would not make it.
1st 9 spots
Westmeath - qualified.
Mayo v Sligo
Kerry v Limerick
Kildare v Meath
Derry v Cavan
Div 1 - current standings
Roscommon 10
Armagh 11
Kerry - ranked from provincial
Tyrone 12
Mayo - ranked from provincial
Donegal 13
Dublin promoted 14
Cork promoted 15
Galway 16
Monaghan 17 - Talteann Cup
Or if Kerry finish 2nd bottom of Div 1 and lose to Tipperary in Munster semi-final, they would be in the Tailteann Cup despite being All-Ireland Champions.
It's an extremely unlikely scenario but they need to change that, having any possibility where the AI champions are ineligible to compete for the Sam Maguire but the Tailteann Cup champions are, is an absurd situation.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 09, 2023, 09:32:34 AM
The fact that there's a chance that a Division 4 team will qualify because of the luck of the draw by beating other Division 4 teams whilst a Division 1 could miss out says it all, would be a farce.
The issue arises because they mix a stable competition (D1 and D2) with a potentially unstable one (the provincials). In the unlikely event that it did happen the GAA would probably fudge it by placing the Tailteann team in a preliminary round. They are not going to sacrifice the sacred provincial championships because of one extra team.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 09, 2023, 09:01:33 AM
If the Connacht Finalists are a disaster this year (hope not) You'll either have seeded Provincials (as in Leinster already) or else only the Champions get into Sam.
100%
You take Clare or Leitrim making it to AISFs in the 1990s. There was something of a novelty about it - but it was once in a generation type stuff for both counties. They both played Dublin and the gap from those teams to the top table wasn't what it is now. Also, they got there on merit. Clare by beating Kerry in the 1992 Munster Final. Leitrim done it the hard way by beating Roscommon, Galway and Mayo.
However, if you take London's journey to the last 12 in 2013, I felt that was a bit of a joke. London made it to that stage in the championship by virtue of beating weakest teams in Connacht and then getting into the last stage of the qualifiers by virtue of being hammered by Mayo.
By not seeding the Connacht championship, one of the weakest teams in the country has a bye to the all-lreland series where they are liable to be hammered in every game. They will not be there on merit (unlike Clare and Lietrim) and their opposition will be miles ahead of them.
In time, does this structure not raise the risk of a moral hazard, whereby it maybe in the interest of the strong Division 1 teams have an early provincial exit. Firstly, could this allow them to hone their preparations for the last 16 and avoid injuries. Secondly, might it suit them to have weaker teams reaching a provincial final, thereby weakening the pool of opposing teams they might face in the last 16?
This year will have the demoted teams sweating because of the provincial situation. Leinster will have no Div 1 teams in final. Connacht will have only 1. Munster will have 1 at most. Ulster has 4 division 1 teams but a few of them have lost form. So the less of those teams Div 1 making finals, the more they need to avoid those last two spots in Div 1, as the two promoted teams have higher rank. Their best case scenario is that the two promoted teams (example Dublin/Derry) also make provincials as that opens two slots. The worse case scenario is two promoted teams don't make provincials and move into the top 7 ranked Div 1 teams to qualify. It's possible with Dublin, Meath, Derry, Cork all vying for promotion. Time will tell.
2020 had 2 D3 teams in the provincial finals and they both won- Tipp and Cavan
It is much harder to imagine the odds coming off in Leinster simultaneously unless funding to Dublin is cut off completely and they revert to the traffic cone defensive system which featured in 2005.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0209/1355689-donegal-academy-staff-resign-en-masse/
Donegal academy coaches, performance support and logistics support have announced their decision to step down from their roles, saying that they have "lost all confidence in governance of Donegal GAA".
The move comes less than a week after the Head of Academy Development, All-Ireland winner Karl Lacey, stepped away from his role, citing a lack of support from the County Board.
The county's Under-20 and Under-17 management teams will remain in place because their teams are midway through this season's competitions...
The Donegal CB are a disgrace and have been for years.
By all accounts Lacey and his team were doing excellent work and setting good foundations for the future of the senior team. But at the same time its nice to see the rest of them walking out in support of Lacey.
Sat Feb 18th
5pm - Derry v Meath - RTE
7.30pm - Mayo v Kerry - TG4
Sun Feb 19th
1pm - Fermanagh v Down - BBC iPlayer
1.45pm - Roscommon v Armagh - TG4
1.45pm - Galway v Tyrone - TG4 (online & deferred)
3.45pm - Cork v Dublin - TG4
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/08/comer-should-be-available-for-galways-connacht-campaign/"Rob Finnerty suffered ankle ligament damage during their league opener against Mayo – an injury expected to keep him out for between four to six weeks.
Shane Walsh is currently in Australia on a prearranged trip following his involvement with Kilmacud Crokes during the club championship, which means Galway are currently without the entire full-forward line that started last year's All-Ireland final against Kerry."
That soft free in the Ros match means the game against Monaghan is a big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ
Good to see Armagh getting the coverage they deserve.
The future is Orange
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/orchard-county-legend-paddy-moriarty-believes-armagh-can-hit-heights-in-national-league/1064112635.html
Quote from: seafoid on February 09, 2023, 08:49:36 PM
The future is Orange
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/orchard-county-legend-paddy-moriarty-believes-armagh-can-hit-heights-in-national-league/1064112635.html
any tips for getting around the BelTel paywall?
Quote from: seafoid on February 09, 2023, 08:42:26 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/08/comer-should-be-available-for-galways-connacht-campaign/"Rob Finnerty suffered ankle ligament damage during their league opener against Mayo – an injury expected to keep him out for between four to six weeks.
Shane Walsh is currently in Australia on a prearranged trip following his involvement with Kilmacud Crokes during the club championship, which means Galway are currently without the entire full-forward line that started last year's All-Ireland final against Kerry."
That soft free in the Ros match means the game against Monaghan is a big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ
Which one?
Ref gave Galway a scatter of soft frees and gave 2 of our men joke yellow cards in the process.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 09, 2023, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 09, 2023, 08:42:26 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/08/comer-should-be-available-for-galways-connacht-campaign/"Rob Finnerty suffered ankle ligament damage during their league opener against Mayo – an injury expected to keep him out for between four to six weeks.
Shane Walsh is currently in Australia on a prearranged trip following his involvement with Kilmacud Crokes during the club championship, which means Galway are currently without the entire full-forward line that started last year's All-Ireland final against Kerry."
That soft free in the Ros match means the game against Monaghan is a big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ
Which one?
Ref gave Galway a scatter of soft frees and gave 2 of our men joke yellow cards in the process.
They will be back for the championship.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 09, 2023, 06:35:49 PM
Sat Feb 18th
5pm - Derry v Meath - RTE
7.30pm - Mayo v Kerry - TG4
Sun Feb 19th
1pm - Fermanagh v Down - BBC iPlayer
1.45pm - Roscommon v Armagh - TG4
1.45pm - Galway v Tyrone - TG4 (online & deferred)
3.45pm - Cork v Dublin - TG4
Seem to like us, never a boring game when we're involved!
Quote from: Rossfan on February 09, 2023, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 09, 2023, 08:42:26 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/08/comer-should-be-available-for-galways-connacht-campaign/"Rob Finnerty suffered ankle ligament damage during their league opener against Mayo – an injury expected to keep him out for between four to six weeks.
Shane Walsh is currently in Australia on a prearranged trip following his involvement with Kilmacud Crokes during the club championship, which means Galway are currently without the entire full-forward line that started last year's All-Ireland final against Kerry."
That soft free in the Ros match means the game against Monaghan is a big one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ
Which one?
Ref gave Galway a scatter of soft frees and gave 2 of our men joke yellow cards in the process.
Scatter is a bit disingenuous, one fairly iffy one alright that I didn't think was a foul and one absolutely egregious call for Galway's last score after which Roscommon got everything going, let's be honest here.
A clear foul on McDaid for a tap over free not given and as for when Glynn was bundled over in injury time, well if it was in Killarney or Dublin the ref would have been racing to get the whistle blown and his arm pointing to the Rossie posts. We have no home advantage, more Rossies in the crowd there last Sunday than Galway I'd say.
You didn't mention the 2 ridiculous bookings of Cregg and McCormack ;)
We had a good turn out alright, helped by the Tyrone result.
Should be a big crowd for the Armagh game as they usually get good numbers too.
It's all to play for still though.
But does anyone actually want to win the League?⁸
Quote from: Rossfan on February 10, 2023, 01:04:24 PM
You didn't mention the 2 ridiculous bookings of Cregg and McCormack ;)
We had a good turn out alright, helped by the Tyrone result.
Should be a big crowd for the Armagh game as they usually get good numbers too.
It's all to play for still though.
But does anyone actually want to win the League?⁸
Is there league finals this year or are they gone? Don't think theres any team bar Kerry and Dublin who could turn their nose up at a league medal tbh. Maybe Tyrone since most of the panel have an all ireland and Mayo who won it not so long ago. Obviously a provincial or an all ireland is top of the priorities list for the likes of yourselves, us and Galway but a league winners medal would still be a big deal!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 10, 2023, 01:04:24 PM
You didn't mention the 2 ridiculous bookings of Cregg and McCormack ;)
We had a good turn out alright, helped by the Tyrone result.
Should be a big crowd for the Armagh game as they usually get good numbers too.
It's all to play for still though.
But does anyone actually want to win the League?⁸
Is there league finals this year or are they gone? Don't think theres any team bar Kerry and Dublin who could turn their nose up at a league medal tbh. Maybe Tyrone since most of the panel have an all ireland and Mayo who won it not so long ago. Obviously a provincial or an all ireland is top of the priorities list for the likes of yourselves, us and Galway but a league winners medal would still be a big deal!
HQ recommended they should be scrapped due to congested season. Team to finish top of the table awarded the title. That way it would have given every team at least two weeks to prepare for the start of the championship.
Was voted on and was decided to keep league finals. As it stands If Mayo, Roscommon, Armagh were to reach it they'll only have one week to prepare for their championship opener.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 10, 2023, 02:52:39 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 02:04:07 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 10, 2023, 01:04:24 PM
You didn't mention the 2 ridiculous bookings of Cregg and McCormack ;)
We had a good turn out alright, helped by the Tyrone result.
Should be a big crowd for the Armagh game as they usually get good numbers too.
It's all to play for still though.
But does anyone actually want to win the League?⁸
Is there league finals this year or are they gone? Don't think theres any team bar Kerry and Dublin who could turn their nose up at a league medal tbh. Maybe Tyrone since most of the panel have an all ireland and Mayo who won it not so long ago. Obviously a provincial or an all ireland is top of the priorities list for the likes of yourselves, us and Galway but a league winners medal would still be a big deal!
HQ recommended they should be scrapped due to congested season. Team to finish top of the table awarded the title. That way it would have given every team at least two weeks to prepare for the start of the championship.
Was voted on and was decided to keep league finals. As it stands If Mayo, Roscommon, Armagh were to reach it they'll only have one week to prepare for their championship opener.
Feck the league then! Utter daft decision.
Last year Ros beat Galway twice in Division 2 . In the regular match and in the D2 final.
Galway beat Ros in the Connacht final. I am sure all thinking Rossies would have swapped
the 2 league wins for the championship bragging rights.
Plus Ros lost to Clare , total mi-adh.
Quote from: seafoid on February 10, 2023, 03:06:23 PM
Last year Ros beat Galway twice in Division 2 . In the regular match and in the D2 final.
Galway beat Ros in the Connacht final. I am sure all thinking Rossies would have swapped
the 2 league wins for the championship bragging rights.
Plus Ros lost to Clare , total mi-adh.
Round 7 league match was a must win for the Rossies to secure promotion, Galway was already promoted.
A league trophy in Croke Park is nice to win however on the evidence of the Connacht final Galway learnt more from losing it than Roscommon did from winning it.
Clare loss brought an end to Anthony Cunningham's time as manager. Under him they were unable to stay up in Division 1 maybe that will change under new manager Davy Burke, good start which is half the battle. Looks like a bigger battle on Galways hands with just 1 point from two games.
James O'Donoghue on Armagh's Aughrim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quSz-YLJDC0&t=540s
Word is filtering out that Patrick McBrearty could be out for the season after the injury he picked up against Tyrone.
Quote from: Goldengreen on February 15, 2023, 05:01:17 PM
Word is filtering out that Patrick McBrearty could be out for the season after the injury he picked up against Tyrone.
FFS.
So from last years starting six we'll be down the O'Donnell brothers, Murphy, and now McBrearty.
Oisin Gallen better stay fit!
Maybe there should be a separate all Ireland for all the injured players
Thats terrible luck and a lot of Donegal's scoring threat away. Hope he has a speedy recovery.
Armagh v Rosscommon is a massive game for these two teams as the winner is safe in the division. Armagh not really been playing well with two wee 10 min spurts in each of their two games. Rossies I feel were lucky enough against Tyrone and Galway game were rank rotten so both teams are sitting at the top not really having clicked into gear yet.
I'd imagine this will be a high scoring game which should be close at the end
Depends on nature of the hamstring injury
"Patrick McBrearty had to be taken off the field with what was very evidently a hamstring injury in Omagh last Sunday week. All it is, he's being medically assessed at the moment . . . there's nothing more than that," Paddy Carr told the Irish Independent.
Quote from: illdecide on February 16, 2023, 10:45:20 AM
Thats terrible luck and a lot of Donegal's scoring threat away. Hope he has a speedy recovery.
Armagh v Rosscommon is a massive game for these two teams as the winner is safe in the division. Armagh not really been playing well with two wee 10 min spurts in each of their two games. Rossies I feel were lucky enough against Tyrone and Galway game were rank rotten so both teams are sitting at the top not really having clicked into gear yet.
I'd imagine this will be a high scoring game which should be close at the end
Hard to believe the last division one game between the two was a relegated play off and now its a top of the table clash.
Don't think five points will be enough for safety however it will go long way towards it. Can imagine all teams have stepped up on training in the mini break and fade outs in between those10 minute spurts will be one area worked on for Armagh.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 16, 2023, 02:48:09 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 16, 2023, 10:45:20 AM
Thats terrible luck and a lot of Donegal's scoring threat away. Hope he has a speedy recovery.
Armagh v Rosscommon is a massive game for these two teams as the winner is safe in the division. Armagh not really been playing well with two wee 10 min spurts in each of their two games. Rossies I feel were lucky enough against Tyrone and Galway game were rank rotten so both teams are sitting at the top not really having clicked into gear yet.
I'd imagine this will be a high scoring game which should be close at the end
Hard to believe the last division one game between the two was a relegated play off and now its a top of the table clash.
Don't think five points will be enough for safety however it will go long way towards it. Can imagine all teams have stepped up on training in the mini break and fade outs in between those10 minute spurts will be one area worked on for Armagh.
and time before that was to top division 2. Looking forward to it, always exciting games between ourselves and the Rossies
David Clifford, Seánie Shea will come back into Kerry panel for Saturday night according to informed sources. Neither may start but should spice things up anyway. Would anticipate a few changes such as Shane Ryan in goals, Paudie Clifford starting and maybe more aswell. Should be a good game.
Mayo starting 15
Cormac Reape - Knockmore
David McBrien - Ballaghaderreen
Rory Brickenden - Westport
Enda Hession - Garrymore
Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
Conor Loftus - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
Donnacha McHugh - Castlebar Mitchels
Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
Fionn McDonagh - Westport
Bob Tuohy - Castlebar Mitchels
Jordan Flynn - Crossmolina Deel Rovers
Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
James Carr - Ardagh
Ryan O'Donoghue - Beal an Mhuirthead
No bench published, P O’Hora, P Durcan and T Conroy was expected to make their return this weekend.
Kerry team and subs. David Clifford, O'Shea named among the subs.
1 Shane Murphy - Dr Crócaigh
2 Graham O’Sullivan - Piarsaigh na Dromoda
3 Jason Foley - Baile Uí Donnachú
4 Tom O’Sullivan - Daingean Uí Chúis
5 Pa Warren - Gníomh Go Leith
6 Tadhg Morley - Teampall Nua
7 Paul Murphy - Rath Mhór
8 Jack Barry - Na Gaeil
9 Barry O’Sullivan - Daingean Uí Chúis
10 Dara Moynihan - Spa Cill Airne
11 Paudie Clifford - Fosadh
12 Micheál Burns - Dr Crócaigh
13 Tony Brosnan - Dr Crócaigh
14 Darragh Roche - Gleann Fleisce
15 Donal O’Sullivan - Cill Gharbháin
Subs Shane Ryan - Rath Mhór,
Killian Spillane - Teampall Nua, Dylan Casey - Aibhistín de Staic, Jack O’Shea - Aibhistín de Staic
Greg Horan - Aibhistín de Staic, Stefan Okunbor - Na Gaeil
Seán O’Shea - An Neidin
David Clifford - Fosadh, Gavin Crowley - Teampall Nua
Brian Friel - Rath Mhór, Mark Ryan - Rath Mhór
Ronan Buckley
Galway team V Tyrone
Connor Gleeson - Dunmore MacHales
Eoghan Kelly - Moycullen
Sean Kelly - Moycullen
Jack Glynn - Claregalway
Dylan McHugh - Corofin
John Daly - Mountbellew Moylough
Daniel O'Flaherty - Salthill Knocknacarra
Paul Conroy - St James'
Cillian McDaid - Monivea Abbey
Matthew Tierney - Oughterard
Peter Cooke - Moycullen
Johnny Heaney - Killannin
Patrick Kelly - Mountbellew Moylough
Eoin Finnerty - Mountbellew Moylough
Ian Burke - Corofin
Subs
Bernie Power - Corofin
Johnny McGrath - Caherlistrane
Cathal Sweeney - Salthill Knocknacarra
Cian Hernon - Bearna
Matthew Barrett - Mountbellew Moylough
John Maher - Salthill Knocknacarra
Paul Kelly - Moycullen
Gerard Davoren - Moycullen
Ryan Monaghan - Oughterard
Nathan Grainger - Claregalway
Robert Finnerty - Salthill Knocknacarra
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 17, 2023, 08:59:13 PM
Galway team V Tyrone
Connor Gleeson - Dunmore MacHales
Eoghan Kelly - Moycullen
Sean Kelly - Moycullen
Jack Glynn - Claregalway
Dylan McHugh - Corofin
John Daly - Mountbellew Moylough
Daniel O'Flaherty - Salthill Knocknacarra
Paul Conroy - St James'
Cillian McDaid - Monivea Abbey
Matthew Tierney - Oughterard
Peter Cooke - Moycullen
Johnny Heaney - Killannin
Patrick Kelly - Mountbellew Moylough
Eoin Finnerty - Mountbellew Moylough
Ian Burke - Corofin
Subs
Bernie Power - Corofin
Johnny McGrath - Caherlistrane
Cathal Sweeney - Salthill Knocknacarra
Cian Hernon - Bearna
Matthew Barrett - Mountbellew Moylough
John Maher - Salthill Knocknacarra
Paul Kelly - Moycullen
Gerard Davoren - Moycullen
Ryan Monaghan - Oughterard
Nathan Grainger - Claregalway
Robert Finnerty - Salthill Knocknacarra
A welcome boost.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 17, 2023, 08:59:13 PM
Galway team V Tyrone
Connor Gleeson - Dunmore MacHales
Eoghan Kelly - Moycullen
Sean Kelly - Moycullen
Jack Glynn - Claregalway
Dylan McHugh - Corofin
John Daly - Mountbellew Moylough
Daniel O'Flaherty - Salthill Knocknacarra
Paul Conroy - St James'
Cillian McDaid - Monivea Abbey
Matthew Tierney - Oughterard
Peter Cooke - Moycullen
Johnny Heaney - Killannin
Patrick Kelly - Mountbellew Moylough
Eoin Finnerty - Mountbellew Moylough
Ian Burke - Corofin
Subs
Bernie Power - Corofin
Johnny McGrath - Caherlistrane
Cathal Sweeney - Salthill Knocknacarra
Cian Hernon - Bearna
Matthew Barrett - Mountbellew Moylough
John Maher - Salthill Knocknacarra
Paul Kelly - Moycullen
Gerard Davoren - Moycullen
Ryan Monaghan - Oughterard
Nathan Grainger - Claregalway
Robert Finnerty - Salthill Knocknacarra
On top of seeing Robs name in there which hopefully indicates the injury wasn't too serious - the most interesting thing for me is the inclusion of Cian Hernon on the bench.
He was a really good wing back for the minors a few years back and played at midfield for the u20s in the AI win in 2020.
He has barely played even club football since.
Interesting to see how he develops now.
Quote from: Goldengreen on February 15, 2023, 05:01:17 PM
Word is filtering out that Patrick McBrearty could be out for the season after the injury he picked up against Tyrone.
Decent player but if Donegal relying on him they are fucked from get go. Overrated savagely. Wouldn't lace Murphy's boots and as good of forward in each of the other d1 teams
G McBearty a very good player, slowed down with age and weight. Sure there many a player wouldn't lace Murphy boots.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 17, 2023, 11:07:30 PM
G McBearty a very good player, slowed down with age and weight. Sure there many a player wouldn't lace Murphy boots.
Very few will and I might seem harsh but never fell for the talk about McBrearty. Top baller no question but no better than 50 others in country. While top drawer not near top players in country and never was. Great man on the loop of the D but only does it seldom nowadays.my point been people talk of Donegal and say oh McBrearty this and that. I'd have two or three Armagh forwards,Monaghan, Mayo Galway list goes on forwards ahead of him, and if Donegal relying on him might as well pack it in
Still hate to see a guy being injured and out for the season, no matter what county he is from.
Quote from: joemamas on February 18, 2023, 12:39:43 AM
Still hate to see a guy being injured and out for the season, no matter what county he is from.
Yep. Always a dangerous forward- don't think he ever got back to the heights he was at a few years ago, had a bad injury as far as i remember, but still a real quality left foot. Wish him a full and speedy recovery.
Always thought he was a good forward
Remember him roasting Armagh in the athletic grounds
Definitely if true I wish him a speedy recovery
What Mayo forward u got in front of him out of interest
Quote from: oliverkelly on February 17, 2023, 11:40:12 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 17, 2023, 11:07:30 PM
G McBearty a very good player, slowed down with age and weight. Sure there many a player wouldn't lace Murphy boots.
Very few will and I might seem harsh but never fell for the talk about McBrearty. Top baller no question but no better than 50 others in country. While top drawer not near top players in country and never was. Great man on the loop of the D but only does it seldom nowadays.my point been people talk of Donegal and say oh McBrearty this and that. I'd have two or three Armagh forwards,Monaghan, Mayo Galway list goes on forwards ahead of him, and if Donegal relying on him might as well pack it in
Jesus I wouldn't agree with that at all. Give my left ball to have him in a Cavan jersey
One change for Jack Carney for Bob Tuohy. Paddy Durcan added to the bench late on. Kerry starting as selected. Windy night in Castlebar.
Mayo jersey looks like they've forgot to take there bibs off
Quote from: pbat on February 18, 2023, 07:31:37 PM
Mayo jersey looks like they've forgot to take there bibs off
Was just gonna say the same.
It's truly vile.
Some finish by O'Donoghue on that goal. Perfect start for Mayo 5 ahead after 10 mins.
Morley lucky he's a sweeper, cause I think if he had mark men hw be shown up.
Nice finish.
But it's virtually impossible to be a defender when forwards bearing down on goal are allowed 8 steps.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2023, 07:41:14 PM
Nice finish.
But it's virtually impossible to be a defender when forwards bearing down on goal are allowed 8 steps.
Very true. Should have been blown up. Mayo defence doing well so far.
If that's a free then it's a penalty, ref always goes for a free outsude the box,
Kerry look like a gatherup of a team so far. I'd say we could see Clifford @ HT!
Mayo are moving well here but can take nothing for granted after the Armagh game.
It should also be said Mayo are playing well with speed and purpose to everything they're doing!
Can't remember a Kerry team playing as bad as this.
Er, yeah 2nd half of the Donegal game.
Whoever is away to Kerry next will likely face a massive backlash after tonight.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2023, 08:06:07 PM
Er, yeah 2nd half of the Donegal game.
Oh, they were 11 points behind in that game, were they?
Easy to see Mayo have a lot more work done. Kerry look like a team that rested than had hard training over two week break. Mayo bringing all of the intensity and have Kerry chasing shadows tonight. Looking at the Kerry forwards tonight I Don't think David Clifford, Geaney, O'Brien, Sean O'Shea will have to worry too much about losing their starting spots.
Kerry missed five or six scorable point chances in the first 10-15 mins.
There is new Kerry forwards who started tonight will never be heard off again,
O'Connor in no mood for autographs ffs. Fair play to Mayo, some win. Clifford is different gravy, we are up against it next week!
Enjoyable game and jerseys apart, Mayo very impressive. Got a wee bit ragged as the second half progressed and some bad enough wides but the game was well won by then. Final score really flattered Kerry and gave the impression that the game might have been a contest.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 18, 2023, 09:08:28 PM
Enjoyable game and jerseys apart, Mayo very impressive. Got a wee bit ragged as the second half progressed and some bad enough wides but the game was well won by then. Final score really flattered Kerry and gave the impression that the game might have been a contest.
Yeah, I thought they had bibs with numbers on them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 18, 2023, 09:07:07 PM
O'Connor in no mood for autographs ffs. Fair play to Mayo, some win. Clifford is different gravy, we are up against it next week!
Mr Nouveau Rich himself. Never could take a beating.
Great night for Mayo, they have not gone away, you know.
Bit of a sticky wicket for Armagh going to Kerry next, it seems that Kerry have timed their training so as to take their chances with away games, but win the home ones. Armagh need a result tomorrow.
Bit of a statement from mayo.
Div1 just git really interesting.
The way mayo played was really impressive and whilst kerry will improve as the year goes on, mayo will not be afraid of them.
Worst Jerseys I seen since the old grey Man Utd 3td strip!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2023, 10:45:44 PM
Worst Jerseys I seen since the old grey Man Utd 3td strip!
😂😂😂
Good result! Kerry clearly experimenting with players, with burnout and with conditioning.
After their last game v Monaghan this will bring down crazy expectations and bring them back to focus.
They probably underestimated the challenge tonight and were caught.
Mayo needed tonight, but like Kerry they need to keep their feet on the ground.
Looking forward to seeing how tomorrows games go and see what Division One is like as we head for the mid way stage!
Today is massive for us after that Kerry result, win today and it eases some pressure and we are sitting lovely, a defeat and we could be looking at 3 points after 4 games which is relegation form because surely Kerry will be out for vengeance next week. Roscommon have been impressive but as usual if we play to our full potential we have enough to beat them. Looking forward to this one, always an exciting game when we play them!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 19, 2023, 09:51:19 AM
Today is massive for us after that Kerry result, win today and it eases some pressure and we are sitting lovely, a defeat and we could be looking at 3 points after 4 games which is relegation form because surely Kerry will be out for vengeance next week. Roscommon have been impressive but as usual if we play to our full potential we have enough to beat them. Looking forward to this one, always an exciting game when we play them!
A draw will be a decent result for both, moving them onto 4 and 5 points. Rossies have Monaghan, Donegal to play and Armagh and yet to play Donegal, Galway which are both home games.
McBrearty not starting for Donegal (or in the squad).
Still not clear what the story is.
Langan, Eoghan Ban, and Oisin Gallen back in the team though.
Only thought Michelle O'Neill talked fast until I heard the interview with the, Roscommon manager!
High scoring game here :D
Roscommon fair happy to lie on the ground for any contact.
5-5 in Clones
Donegal have given away three scored frees so far
Armagh have to be working a goal from that.
Another flop from a roscommon player. Ref buying every single instance.
Baffling to understand what Hall provides in this team.
Quote from: J70 on February 19, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
5-5 in Clones
Donegal have given away three scored frees so far
and received 2 in return plus a Beggan gift.
Tight game. 7-6 Donegal at the half.
Monaghan with slight breeze advantage to come in second half.
Big 2nd half for Galway coming up, I'd be fearful unless the lads up front can manage to engineer at least one goal, very poor display and strange tactics with a gale wind behind them in the 1st half.
Another roscommon dive. Unbelievable ref still buying these.
Referee points out that he grabbed his neck and gave a yellow.
Armagh going forward have been hopeless.
Don't think that was a penalty
Galway have started scoring now
Oh look, more roscommon cheating and playacting
Soft soft pen.
Why did Rian get a yellow?
Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2023, 02:59:11 PM
Oh look, more roscommon cheating and playacting
Soft soft pen.
You're having a laugh, blatant penalty.
Gaillimh 0-12 Tír Eoghain 0-8
Ros are purring
Bar 10 min after ht this has been utter rubbish from Tyrone. Clueless football
Roscommon brining down the spirit of the game.
It was a penalty, thought he got the ball at the start but replay showed zero contact with the ball. Roscommon lying down in an odd tackle but Armagh simply have not been taught to tackle properly. They no chance of a all-Ireland with that defence.
Roscommon thought Derry very rough last year. Maybe it's just a Ulster fball thing.
Throne and Donegal would need to catch themselves on. Monaghan very cute again.
Must be the McHugh factor. His brother notorious for flopping
As easy penalty call you'll get, played his hand as he was going to shoot...
If that had have been the other way the Armagh ones would be calling for penalty
It's been an abysmal game, hopefully that's the last of these teams on tv
Easy black card ;D
Very like the Rosscommon game for Tyrone in that they played very well against the wind then started the second-half well and had the game in their hands, then fell apart. Real lack of composure and leadership and a team that looks to be going backwards.
Great credit to Galway. Poor enough with the wind but as Tyrone faltered in the second-half they really stepped up and showed the leadership and composure that Tyrone lacked. An excellent victory.
That was some c**k up for a goal, Cox should give it to the lad on his left.
Armagh lucky they got a point against Mayo or they been down among the rest in a regalation dog fight
Question was asked and Galway stepped it up after ht, subs all worked with Sweeney having a super showing and Tierney was excellent getting those marks at the crucial times, a tonic victory.
Armagh hype train comes to an end.
Roscommon antics will catch up with them. Downright cheating and no Roscommon fan can surely argue with it?
Only for beggan mistake and mayo capitulation last week armagh could/should be on 0pts
Happy to get the points there, lucky not to have conceded a few goals in the first half. Got a few lucky frees that broke momentum sometimes for Armagh, probably played the ref that little bit better. Hopefully one more result to be sure to be sure staying up, a consistent run in Div one can only improve us.
If the likes of Roscommon aren't called out for their feigning it's always going to run rampant in the GAA. It really does ruin the sport as it is worse than soccer.
Referee didn't cost us though. Armagh were woeful in the second half, same happened against Mayo.
Solid first half from Armagh, but a systems failure in the second. Worrying that they still have that in them, I had thought the structures and experience was there to make it a thing of the past.
In the relegation mix now, remaining home games will be vital.
Couldn't get to the Galway game today so watched the game on the box. I must say the Rossies do a lot of diving and play acting. At least they did today. Roscommon 10 there towards the end went down clutching his face in agony when the Armagh player had tapped him on the shoulder. Ref bought it. That's the way it's gone I suppose.
Think there will be 5 or 6 teams in the mix for relegation until the last couple games.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2023, 03:47:09 PM
Couldn't get to the Galway game today so watched the game on the box. I must say the Rossies do a lot of diving and play acting. At least they did today. Roscommon 10 there towards the end went down clutching his face in agony when the Armagh player had tapped him on the shoulder. Ref bought it. That's the way it's gone I suppose.
Think there will be 5 or 6 teams in the mix for relegation until the last couple games.
Did he not stop play and Armagh have the ball?
Let's see if the Sunday Game pickup the Rossie physio abusing Hall in 2nd half? Then the big hape laughing about it on the sideline.
Imagine it was the armagh physio.. Rossie player still be lying down feigning injury
6 teams on 3 points or less.
Lowest points level is 2. D2 is polarised. D1 isn't.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2023, 03:56:38 PM
Let's see if the Sunday Game pickup the Rossie physio abusing Hall in 2nd half? Then the big hape laughing about it on the sideline.
Imagine it was the armagh physio.. Rossie player still be lying down feigning injury
He pushed the player outta the road, his actions on sideline looked to be explaining how the Rossie player was pushed in the throat, that's why the Armagh lad got the yellow
Well the 1 case near the end lad def was holding his head when He was tapped on the shoulder. Can't understand play acting, watching too much soccer, never see it in Rugby, then again, they real collisions.
That one was embarrassing tbh. It was a stone wall penalty though.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2023, 03:27:44 PM
Armagh hype train comes to an end.
Roscommon antics will catch up with them. Downright cheating and no Roscommon fan can surely argue with it?
Only for beggan mistake and mayo capitulation last week armagh could/should be on 0pts
A lot of ifs, buts and maybes there. We've got 3 hard earned pts and will have to graft and get a bit of luck here and there to stay in div 1. That's about it really.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2023, 04:03:42 PM
Well the 1 case near the end lad def was holding his head whe. He was tapped on the shoulder. Can't understand play acting, watch g too much soccer, never see it in Rugby, then again, they real collisions.
Yeah, unfortunately now any sorta head contact or if they fall and hold their head game will be stopped...
Quote from: Solo_run on February 19, 2023, 03:33:09 PM
If the likes of Roscommon aren't called out for their feigning it's always going to run rampant in the GAA. It really does ruin the sport as it is worse than soccer.
Referee didn't cost us though. Armagh were woeful in the second half, same happened against Mayo.
Roscommon feigning? That's a bit rich given the dive that got Armagh a draw v Mayo ffs. Best bet the better team today dry your eye yeah sore loser
Quote from: oliverkelly on February 19, 2023, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 19, 2023, 03:33:09 PM
If the likes of Roscommon aren't called out for their feigning it's always going to run rampant in the GAA. It really does ruin the sport as it is worse than soccer.
Referee didn't cost us though. Armagh were woeful in the second half, same happened against Mayo.
Roscommon feigning? That's a bit rich given the dive that got Armagh a draw v Mayo ffs. Best bet the better team today dry your eye yeah sore loser
Did Oneill go down holding his face, neck or throat like most of the roscommon lads today? No.
Bad look when McHugh is clapping lads on back when they stay down
Quote from: Armamike on February 19, 2023, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2023, 03:27:44 PM
Armagh hype train comes to an end.
Roscommon antics will catch up with them. Downright cheating and no Roscommon fan can surely argue with it?
Only for beggan mistake and mayo capitulation last week armagh could/should be on 0pts
A lot of ifs, buts and maybes there. We've got 3 hard earned pts and will have to graft and get a bit of luck here and there to stay in div 1. That's about it really.
Tyrone and Donegal are worse
Well done to the Rossies the better team on the day. Armagh lost their way 2nd half when looked in a good position, much to ponder where it went wrong. Beauty of Division 1 football is the opportunity to recover quickly from any set back.
Great result today, would have taken a draw at half time such was the strength of the wind. Armagh bar far the better team in the first half, very powerful physically strong runners.We kicked some beautiful scores with the breeze from C Daly, Lennon & Dolan, with a lovely outside of the right effort.
Second half we found ourselves 1 point up after 90 seconds of re-start, we put in a really strong third quarter, Smith with a well taken penalty. We closed out the game reasonably well, although Cox needs a kick in the hole, for not passing to Dolan for a nailed on goal. Defensive effort from our lads in second half was impressive keeping Armagh to just 4 points, 2 from play is impressive. Thought Ruane, Dolan & second half from Ben O Carroll was impressive.
Armagh are really poor in the tackle, give away very daft frees. The Roscommon physio that pushed Hall needs to be called out. I think we did go down a little easy at times, sometimes down to extremely poor tackles, other times feigning injuries. Murnin for Armagh was very good, the 26 Duffy had a great first half, Armagh butchered 3 goal chances
Overall very happy, winning not playing really good stuff, not bad for a team who were overwhelming favourites for the drop. Roscommon definitely had the better footballers, both sides guilty of lateral, backwards procession football, sometimes not easy on the eye. Armagh midfield desperately poor & how many kick outs were lost going long.
Lennon got a mighty block in to save a certain goal.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2023, 03:14:54 PM
It was a penalty, thought he got the ball at the start but replay showed zero contact with the ball. Roscommon lying down in an odd tackle but Armagh simply have not been taught to tackle properly. They no chance of a all-Ireland with that defence.
They make is so easy for every ref to give frees against them every time they go into the tackle. So lazy, such bad body positions, pretty much always focus the tackle on the player as opposed to the ball.
The fact that the entire team have such poor technique is a damming indictment of management.
Made the trip from Clare to Tuam today. The last time I was there it was miserable, wet, windy and Tyrone were poor and today was no different. Don't like this keep ball stuff when playing against the wind. You still need to score to win matches. Nearly every play went through the hands and when it didn't, we made hay. Galway looked fitter at the end, some Tyrone boys walking around. Well played Galway. Adieu, Tuam, I shall never return.
Quote from: Rudi on February 19, 2023, 04:58:38 PM
Great result today, would have taken a draw at half time such was the strength of the wind. Armagh bar far the better team in the first half, very powerful physically strong runners.We kicked some beautiful scores with the breeze from C Daly, Lennon & Dolan, with a lovely outside of the right effort.
Second half we found ourselves 1 point up after 90 seconds of re-start, we put in a really strong third quarter, Smith with a well taken penalty. We closed out the game reasonably well, although Cox needs a kick in the hole, for not passing to Dolan for a nailed on goal. Defensive effort from our lads in second half was impressive keeping Armagh to just 4 points, 2 from play is impressive. Thought Ruane, Dolan & second half from Ben O Carroll was impressive.
Armagh are really poor in the tackle, give away very daft frees. The Roscommon physio that pushed Hall needs to be called out. I think we did go down a little easy at times, sometimes down to extremely poor tackles, other times feigning injuries. Murnin for Armagh was very good, the 26 Duffy had a great first half, Armagh butchered 3 goal chances
Overall very happy, winning not playing really good stuff, not bad for a team who were overwhelming favourites for the drop. Roscommon definitely had the better footballers, both sides guilty of lateral, backwards procession football, sometimes not easy on the eye. Armagh midfield desperately poor & how many kick outs were lost going long.
Lennon got a mighty block in to save a certain goal.
Ros still have to play Kerry, Monaghan, Donegal and Mayo. There is a lot of football to come.
Real eye catching to see Roscommon top of the table with three games played and three wins. New management getting a tune out of them their 2021 U20s that reached the All Ireland final (Conor Carroll,Colin Walsh,Keith Doyle,Robbie Dolan,Daire Cregg,Ben O'Carroll) are all making impact at senior level now.
Galway back on track with that home win against Tyrone, Peter Cooke,Eoghan Kelly,Ian Burke all good additions to the panel this year and good underage player in Cathal Sweeney shone this afternoon.
Monaghan with impressive win and scoring total (boosted by the return of Jack McCarron) and will fancy their chances to avoid the drop once more.
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Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2023, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2023, 03:14:54 PM
It was a penalty, thought he got the ball at the start but replay showed zero contact with the ball. Roscommon lying down in an odd tackle but Armagh simply have not been taught to tackle properly. They no chance of a all-Ireland with that defence.
They make is so easy for every ref to give frees against them every time they go into the tackle. So lazy, such bad body positions, pretty much always focus the tackle on the player as opposed to the ball.
The fact that the entire team have such poor technique is a damming indictment of management.
I am always amazed at how year after year their technique is do poor. They must be taught man first, ball second. If they could sort this simple thing out they could push on.
Never mind referees , players or bad decisions that pitch in Dr Hyde Park is terrible. Players slipping everywhere. Someone could get badly injured.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 19, 2023, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2023, 03:14:54 PM
It was a penalty, thought he got the ball at the start but replay showed zero contact with the ball. Roscommon lying down in an odd tackle but Armagh simply have not been taught to tackle properly. They no chance of a all-Ireland with that defence.
They make is so easy for every ref to give frees against them every time they go into the tackle. So lazy, such bad body positions, pretty much always focus the tackle on the player as opposed to the ball.
The fact that the entire team have such poor technique is a damming indictment of management.
Armagh's defence is actually shocking at times, the tackling borders on ridiculous (personally I blame McKeever). I think Armagh will do well to stay in this division, defensively there are frailties and the management seem determined not to use the panel - some starting players seem undroppable.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2023, 07:50:45 PM
Never mind referees , players or bad decisions that pitch in Dr Hyde Park is terrible. Players slipping everywhere. Someone could get badly injured.
Wet pitches are slippery, main issue was probably players wearing the wrong studs. Agree with others Armagh tackling technique needs a lot of improvement if this team are reach at least the last four of the championship
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2023, 07:50:45 PM
Never mind referees , players or bad decisions that pitch in Dr Hyde Park is terrible. Players slipping everywhere. Someone could get badly injured.
A friend of mine played County hurling on it. Said it was one of the best pitches he was ever on. The old surface before it was relayed was old school. A bumpy field.
Ros were certainly guilty of buying frees and feigning injury. Its not great to see but most teams utilise the dark arts these days. Ros were a soft naive team before this year. We are sick of the narrative of great forwards but conceding monster scores once anyone has a right go at us. So, personally I will accept a bit of cynical stuff as that is part of the streetwise game management that top teams often have. We appear miles ahead of where we were in that regard and not such a soft touch tactically anymore.
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
Going on current form, Tyrone and Donegal would very favourite for the drop.
Roscommon going well, would still be surprised if they top the group.
Armagh are just missing something.
Would expect Kerry to improve now some of the top players are being reintroduced.
Galway doing well especially given the players they are missing. I'll predict a top 4 finish of Mayo, roscommon, kerry and Galway in any order.
Tyrone are so bad at the moment.
Donegal will really struggle for scores now, so monaghan and Armagh will prob stay up because of that.
A lot of Armagh fan's scraping around for excuses (the ref was poor) ( Rossie's dived) Etc etc etc.
We got what we deserved today in the Hyde, nothing. If Supporters want reasons they were within the team and management today. Shocking stuff all round, not expecting a result next week in the Kingdom (Even though I down them on the sweep) but there has to be a performance and a response as it seems a lot of players still believe the hype from a couple of wins last season.
Well done Roscommon, a well drilled outfit and will cause plenty of teams headaches this season.
Quote from: Ringfort on February 19, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2023, 07:50:45 PM
Never mind referees , players or bad decisions that pitch in Dr Hyde Park is terrible. Players slipping everywhere. Someone could get badly injured.
A friend of mine played County hurling on it. Said it was one of the best pitches he was ever on. The old surface before it was relayed was old school. A bumpy field.
Ros were certainly guilty of buying frees and feigning injury. Its not great to see but most teams utilise the dark arts these days. Ros were a soft naive team before this year. We are sick of the narrative of great forwards but conceding monster scores once anyone has a right go at us. So, personally I will accept a bit of cynical stuff as that is part of the streetwise game management that top teams often have. We appear miles ahead of where we were in that regard and not such a soft touch tactically anymore.
Maybe it was because surface was wet but players lost their footing a lot.
Rossies dived and cheated all day and the ref bought it all day long. Armagh have a big game next week but always play better when up against the so-called big guns.
Quote from: pbat on February 19, 2023, 09:21:03 PM
A lot of Armagh fan's scraping around for excuses (the ref was poor) ( Rossie's dived) Etc etc etc.
We got what we deserved today in the Hyde, nothing. If Supporters want reasons they were within the team and management today. Shocking stuff all round, not expecting a result next week in the Kingdom (Even though I down them on the sweep) but there has to be a performance and a response as it seems a lot of players still believe the hype from a couple of wins last season.
Well done Roscommon, a well drilled outfit and will cause plenty of teams headaches this season.
When teams win everything is rosy. When they lose, it's a disaster. Armagh weren't terrible today. By that I mean we were in with a shout of getting something from the game right to the end. Our downfall was we didn't convert a number of gilt edged goal chances. The one in particular before the Ros penalty was a potential game changer. Bag that one and we're in a good position to kick on.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
Maybe it was because surface was wet but players lost their footing a lot.
There was a little drizzle, but conditions were much better than Tuam, which is not a million miles from Roscommon.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Armamike on February 19, 2023, 04:06:15 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2023, 03:27:44 PM
Armagh hype train comes to an end.
Roscommon antics will catch up with them. Downright cheating and no Roscommon fan can surely argue with it?
Only for beggan mistake and mayo capitulation last week armagh could/should be on 0pts
A lot of ifs, buts and maybes there. We've got 3 hard earned pts and will have to graft and get a bit of luck here and there to stay in div 1. That's about it really.
Tyrone and Donegal are worse
As things stand yes. But form and results can fluctuate wildly in this division. How many times have we seen teams win their first 3 and lose the remainder and vice versa.
On the highlights the Roscommon penalty was a stonewaller.
How is not been A soft touch and going down pretending to be hurt when they not, even in the same category. It's pretty pathetic to be honest. Too many lads watching the soccer.
Quote from: Armamike on February 19, 2023, 09:51:43 PM
When teams win everything is rosy. When they lose, it's a disaster. Armagh weren't terrible today. By that I mean we were in with a shout of getting something from the game right to the end. Our downfall was we didn't convert a number of gilt edged goal chances. The one in particular before the Ros penalty was a potential game changer. Bag that one and we're in a good position to kick on.
Agree totally, Mike, and to me there is an underlying issue. We have dominated for long periods in all three games to date and have one goal to show for it, and that was a gift from Beggan that he had to give us twice before we took it. Oisin McConville always talked about the need to be ruthless when goal chances presented and that was never better displayed than today when points were taken when an extra pass could have seen a green flag.
The Rossies around me could see nothing but an Armagh win at half time and although we had played well, I've followed Armagh for too long to predict a win from a good first half performance. The second half was a shocker and I'd be interested to see if one or two of our ever present players get the bench in Tralee.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 09:07:35 PM
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
If you compare D1 and D2 , D2 is a bear pit because of the Sam Maguire. Derry didn't just beat Meath. They hammered them.
6/7 teams in D1 are taking it handy and Ros did not because they didn't want to get relegated.
If it is a quarter final in CP and Ros are playing Tyrone who wins ? That is the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 09:07:35 PM
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
If you compare D1 and D2 , D2 is a bear pit because of the Sam Maguire. Derry didn't just beat Meath. They hammered them.
6/7 teams in D1 are taking it handy and Ros did not because they didn't want to get relegated.
If it is a quarter final in CP and Ros are playing Tyrone who wins ? That is the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
Most teams in Div 1 before the league started didn't want to get relegated was their main objective, what you want doesn't always happen so would be easier for you to give the credit to the rossies as they deserve.
Going on Tyrone's form since winning the All Ireland in 2021 I'll be surprised if they even reaching a AI quarter final.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 09:07:35 PM
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
If you compare D1 and D2 , D2 is a bear pit because of the Sam Maguire. Derry didn't just beat Meath. They hammered them.
6/7 teams in D1 are taking it handy and Ros did not because they didn't want to get relegated.
If it is a quarter final in CP and Ros are playing Tyrone who wins ? That is the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
Yes Seaf, sure we're absolutely useless and won't win a single Championship match.
Longford were the January Champs, we'll be the February Champs and will then go back to where the likes if us belong.
The arrogant herrin choker coming out in you Seaf.
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 09:07:35 PM
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
If you compare D1 and D2 , D2 is a bear pit because of the Sam Maguire. Derry didn't just beat Meath. They hammered them.
6/7 teams in D1 are taking it handy and Ros did not because they didn't want to get relegated.
If it is a quarter final in CP and Ros are playing Tyrone who wins ? That is the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
Ros did not even have a manager until Oct 26th, and even then he was managing Maynooth in Sigerson until mid January. As far as we are concerned most teams are ahead of us in the fitness work done. So in that respect, it's great and quite a surprise to win first three games. But the media narrative will be that we are ahead of everyone else with work done and flying it at the moment.
Quote from: Ringfort on February 19, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2023, 07:50:45 PM
Never mind referees , players or bad decisions that pitch in Dr Hyde Park is terrible. Players slipping everywhere. Someone could get badly injured.
A friend of mine played County hurling on it. Said it was one of the best pitches he was ever on. The old surface before it was relayed was old school. A bumpy field.
Ros were certainly guilty of buying frees and feigning injury. Its not great to see but most teams utilise the dark arts these days. Ros were a soft naive team before this year. We are sick of the narrative of great forwards but conceding monster scores once anyone has a right go at us. So, personally I will accept a bit of cynical stuff as that is part of the streetwise game management that top teams often have. We appear miles ahead of where we were in that regard and not such a soft touch tactically anymore.
The player sells the foul and the ref buys it. I don't mind that so much as that's the ref's fault but the feigning injury part is a pox on the game, it's about the worst of the dark arts.
Quote from: Main Street on February 20, 2023, 12:00:40 AM
The player sells the foul and the ref buys it. I don't mind that so much as that's the ref's fault but the feigning injury part is a pox on the game, it's about the worst of the dark arts.
Armagh are certainly guilty of sloppy tackling, but it is disappointing to see a player go down holding his face when the foul was pulling his arm.
Quote from: weareros on February 19, 2023, 11:58:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 09:07:35 PM
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
If you compare D1 and D2 , D2 is a bear pit because of the Sam Maguire. Derry didn't just beat Meath. They hammered them.
6/7 teams in D1 are taking it handy and Ros did not because they didn't want to get relegated.
If it is a quarter final in CP and Ros are playing Tyrone who wins ? That is the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
Ros did not even have a manager until Oct 26th, and even then he was managing Maynooth in Sigerson until mid January. As far as we are concerned most teams are ahead of us in the fitness work done. So in that respect, it's great and quite a surprise to win first three games. But the media narrative will be that we are ahead of everyone else with work done and flying it at the moment.
Having said that , the League title may be available.
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
7 min of added time i think and they kept trying to get goal chances. I think there were 2 easy fists over the bar that would have brought them within a point with a few minutes left. Rossies did miss a very easy goal chance near the end too
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
The one where an arm comes across the chest and the player goes down holding his head. You see it multiple times in every single game from every team. Its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to come on and carry out their checks knowing rightly there is sweet FA wrong with them.
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
The one where an arm comes across the chest and the player goes down holding his head. You see it multiple times in every single game from every team. Its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to come on and carry out their checks knowing rightly there is sweet FA wrong with them.
Make the player come off for 5/10 minutes for a full check. Soon cut out the bluffing
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
The one where an arm comes across the chest and the player goes down holding his head. You see it multiple times in every single game from every team. Its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to come on and carry out their checks knowing rightly there is sweet FA wrong with them.
Here's the problem though, if the ref just waved in on and a player is actually badly hurt, because the ref, doesn't always see contact, then the backlash wouldn't be worth it... lads are throwing themselves to the ground left right and center, probably hurting themselves more, the one yesterday the Ref did stop play but Armagh had possession and restarted with the ball. The ref didn't buy that one, but had to stop play
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 20, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
Make the player come off for 5/10 minutes for a full check. Soon cut out the bluffing
This.
If a player has to go off the field for a HIA (as in rugby) for 2 minutes it would cure this crap immediately. Very frustrating to watch and in fairness to referees there is very little they can do as MR2 says.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
The one where an arm comes across the chest and the player goes down holding his head. You see it multiple times in every single game from every team. Its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to come on and carry out their checks knowing rightly there is sweet FA wrong with them.
Here's the problem though, if the ref just waved in on and a player is actually badly hurt, because the ref, doesn't always see contact, then the backlash wouldn't be worth it... lads are throwing themselves to the ground left right and center, probably hurting themselves more, the one yesterday the Ref did stop play but Armagh had possession and restarted with the ball. The ref didn't buy that one, but had to stop play
Agreed there is nothing the referee can do as he would be crucified if he played on and there was a legitimate injury.
A wee spell on the sidelines to get assessed is the answer to this. Go down all you like but you're out of the game until you have been fully assessed for 5 minutes.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2023, 11:00:23 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2023, 09:07:35 PM
Good win today but a lot of silly things too.
But seems a soundness or solidity in the squad and we're taking no çrap.
We're top of Div 1.
A month ago most of us would have expected to be still looking for a first win .
Let's enjoy the spin and see where it takes us.
If you compare D1 and D2 , D2 is a bear pit because of the Sam Maguire. Derry didn't just beat Meath. They hammered them.
6/7 teams in D1 are taking it handy and Ros did not because they didn't want to get relegated.
If it is a quarter final in CP and Ros are playing Tyrone who wins ? That is the question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
Yes Seaf, sure we're absolutely useless and won't win a single Championship match.
Longford were the January Champs, we'll be the February Champs and will then go back to where the likes if us belong.
The arrogant herrin choker coming out in you Seaf.
It isn't. You have to get to that level and stay there. I want to see Ros bating teams in Croke Park.
I want to see excellence.
You can't Galway fans arrogant. Sure we haven't won anything. Would you shtop.
A League win would link Ros to the great team of the 1970s. It could happen given the dynamics.
And where you belong is on the steps of the Hogan. Only 19 counties have won the all Ireland.
Ros have as many all Irelands as Derry and Armagh combined. One less than Mayo.
The magic is still there somewhere.
Maybe in Tulsk
Lookit.
It's nice to see the Rossies back.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
The one where an arm comes across the chest and the player goes down holding his head. You see it multiple times in every single game from every team. Its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to come on and carry out their checks knowing rightly there is sweet FA wrong with them.
Here's the problem though, if the ref just waved in on and a player is actually badly hurt, because the ref, doesn't always see contact, then the backlash wouldn't be worth it... lads are throwing themselves to the ground left right and center, probably hurting themselves more, the one yesterday the Ref did stop play but Armagh had possession and restarted with the ball. The ref didn't buy that one, but had to stop play
Yeah unfair on the refs, not much they can do though, usual story the rule needs changed
Armagh were not brilliant yesterday but that game could still easily have went either way and the conversation would be totally different this morning. Instead we would be talking about trying to win the League, now all of a sudden some people think we are in a relegation battle. I don't think we will be relegated but sometimes I do wonder what the actual game plan is. We are so inconsistent that at times it is baffling. When left to overthink and analyse the game we persist with playing this rigid hand passing possession based game which doesn't suit the players that we have. The case in point was Donegal away last season in the championship where players were afraid of giving the ball away and were completely stifled as a result.
I thought we would have learned our lesson after that match as we played some great football after that in the qualifiers as we threw caution to the wind and adopted an exciting game plan for the remainder of the championship. It was less structured and players played with much more freedom but it worked as we kicked the ball often and scored goals amid some of the madness and the supporters fed off this as a result.
But whatever happened since the beginning of this season we have gone back to becoming this ultra safe team that plays the running game. We did throw caution to the wind in the last 10 minutes against Mayo but only because our backs were against the wall and the crowd and team responded. Murnin is in great form yet we don't kick the ball into him.
Poor second half from Armagh. At halftime, with the wind in our favour, I was quietly confident as it looked like we had the beating of Roscommon. A serious lack of penetration in the forward line, with multiple and prolonged periods of backward passages of play. The penalty was the decisive game changer yesterday, realtime I was screaming no way was it a penalty, but looking at the replay last night I can see why it was given. We should have had a couple of goals at least, no ruthlessness in front of goals at all, too many fumbles of the ball, too many players slipping at crucial times (what was going on with the studs being used yesterday). Trip to Kerry is more one of trepidation now, but hopefully that's when Armagh will put in a serious shift when it is least expected. Either way, home games v Donegal and Galway are now crucial for Armagh.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 20, 2023, 11:02:17 AM
Poor second half from Armagh. At halftime, with the wind in our favour, I was quietly confident as it looked like we had the beating of Roscommon. A serious lack of penetration in the forward line, with multiple and prolonged periods of backward passages of play. The penalty was the decisive game changer yesterday, realtime I was screaming no way was it a penalty, but looking at the replay last night I can see why it was given. We should have had a couple of goals at least, no ruthlessness in front of goals at all, too many fumbles of the ball, too many players slipping at crucial times (what was going on with the studs being used yesterday). Trip to Kerry is more one of trepidation now, but hopefully that's when Armagh will put in a serious shift when it is least expected. Either way, home games v Donegal and Galway are now crucial for Armagh.
To be fair I don't think you can blame the coaches, players are making the wrong calls.
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 10:18:14 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2023, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on February 20, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
Armagh butchered enough chances to win two games. Poor decision making in the final third. Conor Lane though is one of the worst refs around so inconsistent for both teams. This holding the face as if you've been hit by Mike Tyson is endemic in soccer and now coming into GAA. Refs buying it wholesale in both codes, time to stamp it out.
The one where an arm comes across the chest and the player goes down holding his head. You see it multiple times in every single game from every team. Its the physios and doctors I feel sorry for having to come on and carry out their checks knowing rightly there is sweet FA wrong with them.
Here's the problem though, if the ref just waved in on and a player is actually badly hurt, because the ref, doesn't always see contact, then the backlash wouldn't be worth it... lads are throwing themselves to the ground left right and center, probably hurting themselves more, the one yesterday the Ref did stop play but Armagh had possession and restarted with the ball. The ref didn't buy that one, but had to stop play
Agreed there is nothing the referee can do as he would be crucified if he played on and there was a legitimate injury.
A wee spell on the sidelines to get assessed is the answer to this. Go down all you like but you're out of the game until you have been fully assessed for 5 minutes.
I hate that faking of injury too. It's usually to break up the momentum of the other side and to attempt to get the opposing player sanctioned.
Tyrone and Armagh were masters of it for years and it's a little ironic that Armagh are complaining about Roscommon now though ;)
Roscommon have become more "cute" in recent years and whilst it's hateful to play against a team at that carry on, every team in the country does it to an extent.
In principle I agree, head injuries should be off the field for a HIA. However, for genuine head injuries it might be dangerous to move a player (I'm no doc, just surmising) so perhaps that could cause as many issues as solve.
A booking for diving/feigning injury/trying to buy frees? Might work, would be entirely a subjective decision by the ref as it would be near impossible to write a rule to describe feigning injury.
Consistent application of the black card needs to be enforced too. It's really frustrating that some refs use it whilst others dont.
A picture of the Tyrone joint managers
(https://img.rasset.ie/001d6838-614.jpg?ratio=1.78)
really reminded me of something from a Noddy book that I used to read to the kids. I think it was the hats and Dooher's thin face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5igYbYBydgg
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 11:26:05 AM
A picture of the Tyrone joint managers
(https://img.rasset.ie/001d6838-614.jpg?ratio=1.78)
really reminded me of something from a Noddy book that I used to read to the kids. I think it was the hats and Dooher's thin face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5igYbYBydgg
(https://i.ibb.co/rHH7nj9/Screenshot-20230220-113011-2.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
A quick look at the table there and results going a certain way this weekend Armagh could be bottom this time next week...Over the three games so far I actually couldn't say they won't deserve it. 10 mins against Monghan, 10 mins against Mayo and a decent first half yesterday but a shocker 2nd half and that's all we've done in 3 games so far. I thought the Ref gave a few soft ones to the Rossies and the penalty was border line but If i was honest with myself if it was at the other end i'd have been screaming looking it...lol. Roscommon deserved the win and fair play to them, they took the game to Armagh from the throw in of the second half and drove it home. Campbell, O'Neill and Grugan I thought would kick some belter long range points in second hald with the wind but nothing happened, very strage that. Armagh's "Go Too" men with experience are not firing. KMcG I suppose was chasing the game early in the second half and maybe that's his reason for keeping players on the pitch who were simply just not at the races at all...desperation maybe but no faith for the ones on the bench, if it's not your day on the pitch it's not your day and get subbed off...let someone else have a go.
couple big Ulster derbies coming up
Monaghan v Tyrone
Tyrone v Armagh on last day could be a winner stays up affair :)
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I have a lot of time for Dooher and Logan as they aren't the typical career GAA managers who are in it either for financial reasons, to boost their own egos or to raise their own profile. Therefore to win an AI with that side was an incredible achievement and its written in the history books now. But Covid was the perfect storm for Tyrone as preparation time was more limited for all county sides during 2020/21. Therefore time, resources and analysis became less of an issue.
Its almost impossible for men to hold down full time careers whilst managing a county side in the modern era so for Logan and Dooher to do it was admirable. But it was always going to catch up on them and they should have quit after winning the AI title as they simply don't have the time required to devote to the job. Look at all of the top level managers now and very few of them have full time careers on top of their county jobs.
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
You have no idea...total rollercoaster ride all the time. we're either crap or brilliant, never seems to be middle ground with us. Just when you think we have something speiacl looming then you get a powerful kick in the reality bollocks to bring you back down to earth with a bang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT1fmlE-XhA&t=840s
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
As bad as Tyrone are doing at the minute I don't fancy going to Omagh for a relegation play off. Hope to have at least 2 more wins by then!
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
I take your point and it is only league. But Jesus we've been poor a long time. The team holiday post 2021 and remember Killarney has been worn out at this stage, still look mediocre in the vast majority of games. I admire Logan and Dooher as much as anyone for winning a title with these boys too, because I for one didn't see it coming. Two phenomenal performances in Croker, which I don't think would have been possible under Harte with this group. But we're a long time removed from it now, could nearly be time for the U20s to replace few of the old reliables, who aren't that anymore imo
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
Yes and I also remember the drubbings by Derry and Armagh last year which are probably more of a relevant comparison. The notion that they were treating a national league game as a back and forwards exercise is fanciful in the extreme. Realistically we are more or less full out at the moment. I'm not panicking yet and maybe they'll turn it around in the coming weeks. I still think we'll stave off relegation. There's always a big performance in Tyrone when it's least expected.
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
Yes and I also remember the drubbings by Derry and Armagh last year which are probably more of a relevant comparison. The notion that they were treating a national league game as a back and forwards exercise is fanciful in the extreme. Realistically we are more or less full out at the moment. I'm not panicking yet and maybe they'll turn it around in the coming weeks. I still think we'll stave off relegation. There's always a big performance in Tyrone when it's least expected.
I honestly expected a big oerformance from them yesterday.
As a neutral observer, I am puzzled at their great 3rd quarter performance which evaporates as quickly as it is turned on.
Is it a fitness thing?
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Impressive.
And the flying subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q
Armagh were very cynical in blocking runners for kickouts. Unpunished by the ref many times despite being pointed out several times.
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
Yes and I also remember the drubbings by Derry and Armagh last year which are probably more of a relevant comparison. The notion that they were treating a national league game as a back and forwards exercise is fanciful in the extreme. Realistically we are more or less full out at the moment. I'm not panicking yet and maybe they'll turn it around in the coming weeks. I still think we'll stave off relegation. There's always a big performance in Tyrone when it's least expected.
I can only say what I saw at the match. They were happy to pass it around against the wind, Morgan standing on the spot soloing it in the half back line. Yes, some of them looked very unfit at the end of the match. Think there's a lot more in them.
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 11:33:21 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 20, 2023, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 20, 2023, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 20, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
I was there myself and felt that the first half was treated like a backs and forwards training session. They didn't seem too pushed to score. This is why I wouldn't panic yet. Remember the Kerry drubbing?
Yes and I also remember the drubbings by Derry and Armagh last year which are probably more of a relevant comparison. The notion that they were treating a national league game as a back and forwards exercise is fanciful in the extreme. Realistically we are more or less full out at the moment. I'm not panicking yet and maybe they'll turn it around in the coming weeks. I still think we'll stave off relegation. There's always a big performance in Tyrone when it's least expected.
I can only say what I saw at the match. They were happy to pass it around against the wind, Morgan standing on the spot soloing it in the half back line. Yes, some of them looked very unfit at the end of the match. Think there's a lot more in them.
03 05 08 is the only data we have.
04 and 06 were forgettable. They were both won by Kerry. So was 07.
Or maybe this team isn't good enough. But it's too early to say.
Quote from: RossieBull on February 20, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
Armagh were very cynical in blocking runners for kickouts. Unpunished by the ref many times despite being pointed out several times.
And just ignore the blatant cheating + diving by the rossie players? C'mon now, that was next level stuff. Fair play to ref for tell Rossie defender to get up in 1st half, but he missed 6-8 other times where they were cheating + timewasting
Quote from: 5times5times on February 21, 2023, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: RossieBull on February 20, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
Armagh were very cynical in blocking runners for kickouts. Unpunished by the ref many times despite being pointed out several times.
And just ignore the blatant cheating + diving by the rossie players? C'mon now, that was next level stuff. Fair play to ref for tell Rossie defender to get up in 1st half, but he missed 6-8 other times where they were cheating + timewasting
Don't dismiss what Rossiebull has to say, he's spot on regarding cynical blockers, plus Armagh could learn how to tackle properly. Go for the ball with an open hand, not assault the man. Thank f**k we got Burke / McHugh & not that big ape of a Donaghey. What ya think of that Joe Brolly indeed. ;D
Quote from: RossieBull on February 20, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
Armagh were very cynical in blocking runners for kickouts. Unpunished by the ref many times despite being pointed out several times.
There was one absolute howler by the ref in terms of an Armagh player blocking a Rossie player who won a mark at midfield. The Armagh player was about two metres away when the Rossie player took the kick and it was a poor kick (at least in part because of the presence of the Armagh player) that was turned over by Armagh who went down the field and had a goal chance. Ref was right on the spot but didn't penalise the Armagh player for infringing. If it had been a goal the ref would have borne a lot of the blame.
In general I think the rules about the blocking/interfering with/slowing up play when a free/mark has been awarded should be much stiffer.
Bringing the ball forward 13 metres is a very soft punishment and given you'll rarely see a game where both sides don't do it multiple times it's not really working as a deterrent.
If the association wanted to stamp it out, make it a black card offence and it would disappear overnight.
Agree.
It's a cynical holding up if play till defence gets organised tactic.
And then the ref moving it forward takes up even more time.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 21, 2023, 11:11:02 AM
Agree.
It's a cynical holding up if play till defence gets organised tactic.
And then the ref moving it forward takes up even more time.
It's even worse when the ref stops to issue a yellow card.
The other one is holding onto the ball after a free kick. To me that should become a black card. Regular cause of rows and often just as cyncial and impactful as a trip further up the field.
Anthony Moyles also thinks that Atletico Rossie could win the League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0GjZh7fheU
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
Its a fcukin melt. There is talent there but it isn't firing for some reason.
Quote from: seafoid on February 21, 2023, 11:21:20 AM
Anthony Moyles also thinks that Atletico Rossie could win the League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0GjZh7fheU
:D :D
Quote from: APM on February 21, 2023, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 21, 2023, 11:11:02 AM
Agree.
It's a cynical holding up if play till defence gets organised tactic.
And then the ref moving it forward takes up even more time.
It's even worse when the ref stops to issue a yellow card.
The other one is holding onto the ball after a free kick. To me that should become a black card. Regular cause of rows and often just as cyncial and impactful as a trip further up the field.
10 yards doesn't seem to be a deterrent. It's bad in some cases - the player will just not let the ball go unless it's pulled from him.
Quote from: APM on February 21, 2023, 11:14:35 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 21, 2023, 11:11:02 AM
Agree.
It's a cynical holding up if play till defence gets organised tactic.
And then the ref moving it forward takes up even more time.
It's even worse when the ref stops to issue a yellow card.
The other one is holding onto the ball after a free kick. To me that should become a black card. Regular cause of rows and often just as cyncial and impactful as a trip further up the field.
Agree completely on that. How often have we seen a referee stop to issue a yellow card nearing the end of a match when the team in the lead deliberately fouls to prevent an attack. The time taken to book the player then enables the defending side to get back into formation. So the team committing the foul is the team actually being rewarded by getting a booking!
As for the ball holding an automatic black card would stamp it out immediately.
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
Absolutely!!!
Hi Lads
Heading down to Kerry on Saturday to watch the football. Staying in Kilarney, what is my best way getting to and from the Tralee to watch the match?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 21, 2023, 01:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
Absolutely!!!
Despite winning nothing, this team has given its supporters (+opposition supporters) an unbelievable level of entertainment in recent years, paralleled I would say only by Mayo. All in the eye of the beholder of course. The quality and or entertainment value of many of the games has been outstanding. Four examples below of games they lost, and two that they won that were pretty much unforgettable for a combination of atmosphere, excitement and/or the quality of the football. In some ways it makes it harder to accept defeat, but you don't resent the time spent supporting an entertaining team that lost in the same way as you do following a losing team playing unwatchable football.
- Monaghan 2021 USFC, Newry
- Cavan -2019 UFSC Drawn Game, Clones
- Galway -2022 AIQF, Croke Park
- Roscommon - 2018 Qualifiers, Portlaoise
- Down 2019 USFC, Newry
- Tyrone - 2022 Qualifier, Athletic Grounds
Quote from: samuel maguire on February 21, 2023, 02:34:44 PM
Hi Lads
Heading down to Kerry on Saturday to watch the football. Staying in Kilarney, what is my best way getting to and from the Tralee to watch the match?
Helicopter !
Moving the ball up ten yds is ineffectual unless it's inside the 45.
Quote from: APM on February 21, 2023, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 21, 2023, 01:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
Absolutely!!!
Despite winning nothing, this team has given its supporters (+opposition supporters) an unbelievable level of entertainment in recent years, paralleled I would say only by Mayo. All in the eye of the beholder of course. The quality and or entertainment value of many of the games has been outstanding. Four examples below of games they lost, and two that they won that were pretty much unforgettable for a combination of atmosphere, excitement and/or the quality of the football. In some ways it makes it harder to accept defeat, but you don't resent the time spent supporting an entertaining team that lost in the same way as you do following a losing team playing unwatchable football.
- Monaghan 2021 USFC, Newry
- Cavan -2019 UFSC Drawn Game, Clones
- Galway -2022 AIQF, Croke Park
- Roscommon - 2018 Qualifiers, Portlaoise
- Down 2019 USFC, Newry
- Tyrone - 2022 Qualifier, Athletic Grounds
All great games and probably put ten years on me
Quote from: samuel maguire on February 21, 2023, 02:34:44 PM
Hi Lads
Heading down to Kerry on Saturday to watch the football. Staying in Kilarney, what is my best way getting to and from the Tralee to watch the match?
Presumably you can drive. There is a train back just after the match, which I hope will bring me to Dublin. If you don't dally in the ground you could go to Killarney on this or there is a bus an hour later.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 21, 2023, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: APM on February 21, 2023, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 21, 2023, 01:56:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 20, 2023, 01:43:34 PM
Supporting Armagh seems to be pure emotion.
Absolutely!!!
Despite winning nothing, this team has given its supporters (+opposition supporters) an unbelievable level of entertainment in recent years, paralleled I would say only by Mayo. All in the eye of the beholder of course. The quality and or entertainment value of many of the games has been outstanding. Four examples below of games they lost, and two that they won that were pretty much unforgettable for a combination of atmosphere, excitement and/or the quality of the football. In some ways it makes it harder to accept defeat, but you don't resent the time spent supporting an entertaining team that lost in the same way as you do following a losing team playing unwatchable football.
- Monaghan 2021 USFC, Newry
- Cavan -2019 UFSC Drawn Game, Clones
- Galway -2022 AIQF, Croke Park
- Roscommon - 2018 Qualifiers, Portlaoise
- Down 2019 USFC, Newry
- Tyrone - 2022 Qualifier, Athletic Grounds
All great games and probably put ten years on me
That Galway game near finished me off! I'd add Donegal in Clones to that list- felt like the start of something that day or a changing of the guard!
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 19, 2023, 03:26:36 PM
Question was asked and Galway stepped it up after ht, subs all worked with Sweeney having a super showing and Tierney was excellent getting those marks at the crucial times, a tonic victory.
Looked in real trouble 10 minutes into the 2nd half as Tyrone went looking for a goal, certainly didn't look like Galway would go on to score 9 of the next 12 points.
Won't be getting carried away given conditions/pitch etc and if Tyrone had got the goal it may have been a different result but Galway showed great character to dig in with the wind and momentum against them. Tierney stood up with those marks and 3 points from play as did a good few others with Galway missing their 3 best scoring forwards in Walsh, Comer & Finnerty.
Dylan McHugh has really surprised me, didn't look upto it in the Connacht Final against Mayo in Croke Park 18 months ago but delighted to be proved wrong, looks more then comfortable at this level and gave another outstanding display.
Finnerty made a cameo appearance at the end.
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Don't ease up on the Rossies, even if they are lying on the ground holding their face, they'll spring up right as rain and score immediately afterwards.
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Didn't Monaghan lose to Mayo in Clones last year?
Lads haven't been to St Tiernach's Park in 20+ years. What's best way there, straight in through town?
Quote from: RossieBull on February 22, 2023, 03:35:08 PM
Lads haven't been to St Tiernach's Park in 20+ years. What's best way there, straight in through town?
Coming from the Cavan side you could just park up when you come into town and walk down or perhaps cut over to the Newtownbutler road and get a bit closer as there wouldn't be many coming in that way.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Didn't Monaghan lose to Mayo in Clones last year?
Yes.
1-12 to 2-10.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 22, 2023, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: RossieBull on February 22, 2023, 03:35:08 PM
Lads haven't been to St Tiernach's Park in 20+ years. What's best way there, straight in through town?
Coming from the Cavan side you could just park up when you come into town and walk down or perhaps cut over to the Newtownbutler road and get a bit closer as there wouldn't be many coming in that way.
Cheers thanks
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Didn't Monaghan lose to Mayo in Clones last year?
Monaghan are going for 9 D1 status in a row.
But now that the West's Awake, the upper order is facing a stiffer challenge.
I was listening to Raidio na Gaeltachta (Gaeltarta in Gaoth Dobhair) last Sunday. Cluain Eois sounds much nicer than Clones, which reminds me of cold chips.
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Didn't Monaghan lose to Mayo in Clones last year?
Monaghan are going for 9 D1 status in a row.
But now that the West's Awake, the upper order is facing a stiffer challenge.
Fair enough i thought you were on about unbeaten run Monaghan had in Clones. Neighbours Cavan if promoted will play in a different division for the 9th year in a row. 2016 Div 2, 2017 Div 1, 2018 Div 2, 2019 Div 1, 2020 Div 2, 2021 Div 3, 2022 Div 4, 2023 Div 3
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Didn't Monaghan lose to Mayo in Clones last year?
Monaghan are going for 9 D1 status in a row.
But now that the West's Awake, the upper order is facing a stiffer challenge.
Fair enough i thought you were on about unbeaten run Monaghan had in Clones. Neighbours Cavan if promoted will play in a different division for the 9th year in a row. 2016 Div 2, 2017 Div 1, 2018 Div 2, 2019 Div 1, 2020 Div 2, 2021 Div 3, 2022 Div 4, 2023 Div 3
Ros were heavily correlated with Cavan , maybe between 2017 and 2021
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 22, 2023, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 22, 2023, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 20, 2023, 08:02:20 PM
Roscommon unbeaten in 11 league games.
Next up are Monaghan in Clones who are going for nine in a row.
Someone has got to give.
Didn't Monaghan lose to Mayo in Clones last year?
Monaghan are going for 9 D1 status in a row.
But now that the West's Awake, the upper order is facing a stiffer challenge.
Fair enough i thought you were on about unbeaten run Monaghan had in Clones. Neighbours Cavan if promoted will play in a different division for the 9th year in a row. 2016 Div 2, 2017 Div 1, 2018 Div 2, 2019 Div 1, 2020 Div 2, 2021 Div 3, 2022 Div 4, 2023 Div 3
Shifty Cavan.
Cake on the Rossies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_UlNkg7iA0
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 22, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 19, 2023, 03:26:36 PM
Question was asked and Galway stepped it up after ht, subs all worked with Sweeney having a super showing and Tierney was excellent getting those marks at the crucial times, a tonic victory.
Looked in real trouble 10 minutes into the 2nd half as Tyrone went looking for a goal, certainly didn't look like Galway would go on to score 9 of the next 12 points.
Won't be getting carried away given conditions/pitch etc and if Tyrone had got the goal it may have been a different result but Galway showed great character to dig in with the wind and momentum against them. Tierney stood up with those marks and 3 points from play as did a good few others with Galway missing their 3 best scoring forwards in Walsh, Comer & Finnerty.
Dylan McHugh has really surprised me, didn't look upto it in the Connacht Final against Mayo in Croke Park 18 months ago but delighted to be proved wrong, looks more then comfortable at this level and gave another outstanding display.
McHughs gone from someone I thought was fairly steady and smart but not up to the level of an AI contender, to someone who looks like he'll be an absolute mainstay on the team for the next 6-7 years. He's developed a burst of pace and ability to beat a man from seemingly nowhere. Jack Glynn also looks like he's making the year to year progress you'd hope for someone of his age. The losses of Silke and Molloy (and I'm by no means writing his season off yet) looked very worrying to begin with. But the improvement of the two mentioned above, along with possibly Sweeney, and Cookes addition allowing one of Heaney or even McDaid possibly to filter back, means the situation is a good bit rosier now than before. Eoghan Kelly is entitled to improve at a rate of knots also given how newly returned he is to football. The worry would be the lack of a physical specific man marker still
Can't see anything other than a kerry win this weekend against us sadly
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2023, 09:53:18 AM
Cake on the Rossies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_UlNkg7iA0
He's got the odd currant laced cross wire.
"now it's a case of looking forward to every game in the league as opposed to start of the league wondering where we were going to pick up 3 points in any game."
https://youtu.be/k_UlNkg7iA0?t=30
Quote from: Manning18 on February 23, 2023, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 22, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 19, 2023, 03:26:36 PM
Question was asked and Galway stepped it up after ht, subs all worked with Sweeney having a super showing and Tierney was excellent getting those marks at the crucial times, a tonic victory.
Looked in real trouble 10 minutes into the 2nd half as Tyrone went looking for a goal, certainly didn't look like Galway would go on to score 9 of the next 12 points.
Won't be getting carried away given conditions/pitch etc and if Tyrone had got the goal it may have been a different result but Galway showed great character to dig in with the wind and momentum against them. Tierney stood up with those marks and 3 points from play as did a good few others with Galway missing their 3 best scoring forwards in Walsh, Comer & Finnerty.
Dylan McHugh has really surprised me, didn't look upto it in the Connacht Final against Mayo in Croke Park 18 months ago but delighted to be proved wrong, looks more then comfortable at this level and gave another outstanding display.
McHughs gone from someone I thought was fairly steady and smart but not up to the level of an AI contender, to someone who looks like he'll be an absolute mainstay on the team for the next 6-7 years. He's developed a burst of pace and ability to beat a man from seemingly nowhere. Jack Glynn also looks like he's making the year to year progress you'd hope for someone of his age. The losses of Silke and Molloy (and I'm by no means writing his season off yet) looked very worrying to begin with. But the improvement of the two mentioned above, along with possibly Sweeney, and Cookes addition allowing one of Heaney or even McDaid possibly to filter back, means the situation is a good bit rosier now than before. Eoghan Kelly is entitled to improve at a rate of knots also given how newly returned he is to football. The worry would be the lack of a physical specific man marker still
The aim of the league was to strengthen the sub options and so far so good.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Can't see anything other than a kerry win this weekend against us sadly
Agreed. Armagh will be under the cosh big time for this game and could be in line for a hiding as we have been really poor so far this year which is the complete opposite to last year where we were flying at the start of the league and everyone accused Armagh of peaking too soon. Maybe KMcG did get it worg last year and maybe we are only building it up towards Championship time but I do doubt that, I just think we're not clicking. The worrying thing is it's our more experienced players who are off the boil as you get that with the younger ones who can be great one week and mediocre the next but you expect better consistency from the older guys. As is said earlier in the week if results go against us this weekend we could be bottom come Sunday tea time
Quote from: RossieBull on February 20, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
Armagh were very cynical in blocking runners for kickouts. Unpunished by the ref many times despite being pointed out several times.
Going by the amount of ball they win around midfield they are obviously not much good at this!
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Can't see anything other than a kerry win this weekend against us sadly
Kerry looked way off in fitness and preparation last weekend so Armagh should get some joy against them however I'd expect O'Shea and David Clifford to start and they'll cause plenty of damage against Armagh defence that still doesn't know how to defend properly.
I think Kerry will stay up on the last day. Armagh shouldn't be afraid of them
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 24, 2023, 12:08:28 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 23, 2023, 06:00:24 PM
Can't see anything other than a kerry win this weekend against us sadly
Kerry looked way off in fitness and preparation last weekend so Armagh should get some joy against them however I'd expect O'Shea and David Clifford to start and they'll cause plenty of damage against Armagh defence that still doesn't know how to defend properly.
Our forwards haven't really got going this year and midfield is non existent. That's before you get to the defence
Ros are 10/3 favs to win division 1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
Quote from: seafoid on February 24, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Ros are 10/3 favs to win division 1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
You might think with Championship the following week Roscommon wouldn't go full tilt if they got to the league final, but really they should - it would be their first senior national title since 1979 (or second since 1944), so they should treat it like an All-Ireland final and put it higher priority than Championship where realistically they've no chance of winning Sam.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 24, 2023, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 24, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Ros are 10/3 favs to win division 1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
You might think with Championship the following week Roscommon wouldn't go full tilt if they got to the league final, but really they should - it would be their first senior national title since 1979 (or second since 1944), so they should treat it like an All-Ireland final and put it higher priority than Championship where realistically they've no chance of winning Sam.
More to a championship campaign than just who wins or can realistically win Sam. A good league followed by a good championship will be high priority for Roscommon I can imagine and would probably need to win Connacht or reach All Ireland quarter final for the latter.
Quote from: seafoid on February 24, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Ros are 10/3 favs to win division 1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
I think it's very long odds Ros win the league. More likely we lose narrowly up in Fortress Clones this Sunday, then we have Mayo followed by Kerry, who would back Ros vs those two? Then last game home vs Donegal who might need a win to stay up. We could lose the next 4 very very handy. The league is so even and unpredictable that's what makes it a great competition. I wish it had more prominence in the calendar.
Quote from: Ringfort on February 24, 2023, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 24, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Ros are 10/3 favs to win division 1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
I think it's very long odds Ros win the league. More likely we lose narrowly up in Fortress Clones this Sunday, then we have Mayo followed by Kerry, who would back Ros vs those two? Then last game home vs Donegal who might need a win to stay up. We could lose the next 4 very very handy. The league is so even and unpredictable that's what makes it a great competition. I wish it had more prominence in the calendar.
HQ old guard too stubborn to change. As it stands GAA calendar could easily have two important competitions but no, more focused on the championship and having a group stage for the last 16 whereby only 4 teams will get eliminated in.
Quote from: blanketattack on February 24, 2023, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 24, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
Ros are 10/3 favs to win division 1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
You might think with Championship the following week Roscommon wouldn't go full tilt if they got to the league final, but really they should - it would be their first senior national title since 1979 (or second since 1944), so they should treat it like an All-Ireland final and put it higher priority than Championship where realistically they've no chance of winning Sam.
I agree. From the position we are in now I would be going all out for the league. All out 1000%. No Dublin, Kerry still warming up, Ulster teams in various stages of transition. Mayo are flying but won't really want a league, it's Sam or nothing for them.
We can nab a Connacht every now and then by beating perhaps one serious team, the league (div 1) is a different kettle of fish. I don't expect us to get close to winning it but it would be my preferred target for the year from where we sit now.
The championship with its new set up is an unknown.
Roscommon should go for the League. The ony danger is going for the league is that you get hockeyed in the final, as Derry did some years ago. But this year there are no Dubs, Kerry are not worried about the league, and whoever else gets to the final will not be that much better than Roscommon, an embarrassing defeat is unlikely.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 08:23:27 PM
Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We've come a long way in those 5 and a half weeks :D
Quote from: Rossfan on February 24, 2023, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 08:23:27 PM
Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We've come a long way in those 5 and a half weeks :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM
The League is very different to the all Ireland. Kerry and Dublin don't have a stranglehold on it.
New York, Laois, Longford and Monaghan have all won the League.
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 24, 2023, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 08:23:27 PM
Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We've come a long way in those 5 and a half weeks :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM
The League is very different to the all Ireland. Kerry and Dublin don't have a stranglehold on it.
New York, Laois, Longford and Monaghan have all won the League.
Better to deal with the recent history. Last decade 2013 to present
Div 1 league titles won
Dublin 6,Kerry 3, Mayo 1
All Ireland winners
Dublin 7,Kerry 2, Tyrone 1
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 25, 2023, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 24, 2023, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 08:23:27 PM
Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We've come a long way in those 5 and a half weeks :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM
The League is very different to the all Ireland. Kerry and Dublin don't have a stranglehold on it.
New York, Laois, Longford and Monaghan have all won the League.
Better to deal with the recent history. Last decade 2013 to present
Div 1 league titles won
Dublin 6,Kerry 3, Mayo 1
All Ireland winners
Dublin 7,Kerry 2, Tyrone 1
Over time it has been a more open competition. Neither Monaghan nor Laois have won the All Ireland. This year is interesting because of the championship uncertainty as someone noted below.
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 25, 2023, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 24, 2023, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 08:23:27 PM
Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We've come a long way in those 5 and a half weeks :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM
The League is very different to the all Ireland. Kerry and Dublin don't have a stranglehold on it.
New York, Laois, Longford and Monaghan have all won the League.
Better to deal with the recent history. Last decade 2013 to present
Div 1 league titles won
Dublin 6,Kerry 3, Mayo 1
All Ireland winners
Dublin 7,Kerry 2, Tyrone 1
Over time it has been a more open competition. Neither Monaghan nor Laois have won the All Ireland. This year is interesting because of the championship uncertainty as someone noted below.
What has that to do with the present. Monaghan will be more than happy to retain their Div 1 status. If Kerry find their way into this years league final they'll probably win it again.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 25, 2023, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 25, 2023, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 24, 2023, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 16, 2023, 08:23:27 PM
Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We've come a long way in those 5 and a half weeks :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAi4VBoBSM
The League is very different to the all Ireland. Kerry and Dublin don't have a stranglehold on it.
New York, Laois, Longford and Monaghan have all won the League.
Better to deal with the recent history. Last decade 2013 to present
Div 1 league titles won
Dublin 6,Kerry 3, Mayo 1
All Ireland winners
Dublin 7,Kerry 2, Tyrone 1
Over time it has been a more open competition. Neither Monaghan nor Laois have won the All Ireland. This year is interesting because of the championship uncertainty as someone noted below.
What has that to do with the present. Monaghan will be more than happy to retain their Div 1 status. If Kerry find their way into this years league final they'll probably win it again.
Kerry don't need to win the league. They need to retain Sam.
Dublin are in Division 2. 2 predators are removed.
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2023, 01:59:08 PM
Kerry don't need to win the league. They need to retain Sam.
Dublin are in Division 2. 2 predators are removed.
Do you see Kerry losing the league final if they reach it this year? Dublin are in Div 2 for a reason and looked less than convincing in their performances against Cork,Kildare.
After three rounds Connacht teams are 1st,2nd and 3rd in Div 1 so credit where it's due. On the topic of Connacht football Summerhill Sligo reached Hogan cup final beating St Brendans Killarney by 3 points this afternoon. First Sligo school to reach the All Ireland final for nearly 40 years, add in Sligo's recent Minor,U20 success they are moving upwards.
Odds on this weekend matches.
Kerry 4/11 Armagh 3/1 Draw 8/1
Mayo 1/2 Tyrone 9/4 Draw 15/2
Donegal 9/4 Galway 1/2 Draw 15/2
Monaghan 10/11 Roscommon 5/4 Draw 7/1
How the table will look if the bookies and their punters are right
Mayo pts 6
Roscommon 6
Galway 5
Kerry 4
Monaghan 4
Armagh 3
Tyrone 2
Donegal 2
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2023, 03:02:57 PM
Odds on this weekend matches.
Kerry 4/11 Armagh 3/1 Draw 8/1
Mayo 1/2 Tyrone 9/4 Draw 15/2
Donegal 9/4 Galway 1/2 Draw 15/2
Monaghan 10/11 Roscommon 5/4 Draw 7/1
How the table will look if the bookies and their punters are right
Mayo pts 6
Roscommon 6
Galway 5
Kerry 4
Monaghan 4
Armagh 3
Tyrone 2
Donegal 2
Not a great look for Ulster there.
Kerry Armagh game start delayed for 10 minutes because of crowd congestion outside the ground.
Quote from: dec on February 25, 2023, 05:01:21 PM
Kerry Armagh game start delayed for 10 minutes because of crowd congestion outside the ground.
No more talk about Dublin supporters arriving late please!
Great rendition of the anthem there by the lad with the guitar. Fair play to 6,000 Armagh supporters making it to Tralee. Looks a great atmosphere.
Kerry getting joy on the turn overs 0-3 to 0-1 ahead after 13 minutes.
Kerry forwards very good at fouling the Armagh men coming out. Slows the attack down. Smart play.
Armagh very cynical again with alot of late stuff after they've conceded a free. Lots of heavy stuff looking for a reaction.
Good score there by Rian O'Neill to level it up 0-4 each.
Quote from: RossieBull on February 25, 2023, 05:32:53 PM
Armagh very cynical again with alot of late stuff after they've conceded a free. Lots of heavy stuff looking for a reaction.
Always seem intent on getting a dig in after the free has been awarded.
Armagh simply can't tackle, with a added bit of late hits added in.
Decent competitive contest in Tralee. 0-6 each at half time.
They're well fit to tackle but they choose not to. Usual macho shite. Mccabe, mckay and rian O'Neill always certs for the booking.
O'Neill in particular always leaves a bit on the man after the foul. A trailing boot or knee in.
The Armagh can't tackle myth is continually perpetuated by numpties on here, no worse than any other team.
Armagh playing like a team afraid of getting a trimming (with good reason), I don't think the wind is as big an issue as RTE would have u believe and it will die a bit further with the setting sun for the 2nd half. I think we're trying to be like the glory years team, keep it tight to championship quarter, don't think it'll work today tho. Hoping to keep it tight and sneak something is the way to go this evening.
I like watching Armagh but Ethan Rafferty is horrible to watch diving after any contact and rolling around.
Clifford got a free for a dive there.
Kerry are doing all the pigging - same as always
How many steps does rafferty take between soloing a ball, steps not blown at all these days.
That a seriously bad all there, very obvious Morley got a late hit kicking the ball.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 25, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
How many steps does rafferty take between soloing a ball, steps not blown at all these days.
In fairness, Rafferty has made a super recovery from a couple of tackles, that by his reaction, almost decapitated him.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on February 25, 2023, 06:11:22 PM
Clifford got a free for a dive there.
Kerry know how to win frees
Given the amount of big men Armagh have in the middle, you'd think Kerry would be happier to concede the kick out rather than hope they can win a contest in midfield.
How in fcuks name is that a free....referee is making some rare calls
All to play for 58 minutes played 0-8 each
Kerry hit the front 70 mins played. 11-10. 5 minutes of injury time to play. .
Eamon Fitzmaurice please shut up, such shit
FT Kerry 0-12 Armagh 0-11
Quote from: Estimator on February 25, 2023, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 25, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
How many steps does rafferty take between soloing a ball, steps not blown at all these days.
In fairness, Rafferty has made a super recovery from a couple of tackles, that by his reaction, almost decapitated him.
Give it a rest will you? He's now obviously being targeted with late hits to stop his runs. Happened in the last 3 games. The worst dive of the night was Clifford's.
Armagh put a lot into that game and delivered their best defensive performance yet go home empty handed, don't always get what you deserve in this sport.
Donegal at home next a must win.
Decent performance with a right few missing, wrong result obviously but there's more to be confident about rather than the first few games. In a relegation dogfight now tho.
Armagh had plenty of time to kick two points there and gave away some soft frees (not including Clifford's dive which didn't result in a score). But deserved at least a draw there.
Kerry are a very cynical team who should be called out .
Jeez some late hits .
Armagh no angels but jeez Kerry are up there .
Clifford dive laughable but apparently you can't critique his lord and saviour.
Wtf was rian doing with that free??
When you play blanket style and win by a point you can say the end justifies the means but when you lose playing the worst style of football ever invented it's time for a change. Armagh's mgt team of Tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum is not working. Mckeever adds nothing as the tackling, which is on him, is atricious. The County board should bring in Cooper to coach tackling drills regardless as to how much he costs. Money well spent and give tweedle-dum his p45
Mayos first score after 18 minutes. Tyrone lead 3-1
DD needs to do much better there
Only the 9 or 10 steps there for the goal
I like watching Armagh and have no gra for Kerry at all but Rafferty constantly on ground. In one game recently went down holding his face twice and not touched near face either time. One was a push into chest as he carrying ball.
Mayo's turnaround has come from Peter Harte not opting to take a simple point.
Tyrone had the opportunity to go 5-1 in front and in a flash Mayo score 1-2 to lead by two. The goal an OG?
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Mayo's turnaround has come from Peter Harte not opting to take a simple point.
A poor poor decision alright
McShane has offered nothing in or around MF since he came into senior county football.
Either let him play FF or sit him on the bench
2nd Mayo goal, Tyrone defence caught out badly there. 6 points ahead now.
McBrien has the measure of McShane
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Mayo's turnaround has come from Peter Harte not opting to take a simple point.
First mayo goal was far too many steps.
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McShane has offered nothing in or around MF since he came into senior county football.
Mcshane not good enough. One season wonder
Management aren't up to it. Very little scoring forwards on the team or panel.and they are dropping them off too. Crazy
Either let him play FF or sit him on the bench
There is serious variety in Mayo's attacking these days. They're creating goal chances from sheer unpredictability (and sharp handpassing).
Playing in Tyrone's FF line must be horrible. There's spectators have seen more of the ball.
How was that not a foul on O'Shea??
Tyrone are embarrassing
That was a shocking effort from Cathal McShane at the end of the 1st half there.
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That was a shocking effort from Cathal McShane at the end of the 1st half there.
Sean coyle should be looking a refund from co board.
Of all the ghost stories we can scare our kids with ...the 2021 final is currently the horrifying finale.
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McBrien has the measure of McShane
Most have the measure of him now. McShane looks like a lad that need to take extended break and get his mind and body right.
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Of all the ghost stories we can scare our kids with ...the 2021 final is currently the horrifying finale.
That's the won that is a horror show from start to finish, with no redeeming moments of hope!
Looking at tyrone bench 3 forwards. 2 are age ~20 and one is ~32.
Mayos first score of the 2nd half a 3rd goal. Not sure what happen to the Tyrone defence there. 3-5 to 0-6 43 minutes on the clock.
Tyrone are a basket case. No options.
Mayo 8 points up and their fans are booing every referee decision that goes against them. I used to like them as perennial underdogs
Mcshane hasn't looked the same player since the injury against Galway in 2020.
Hard to beleieve there is no out and out scoring forward (other than McCurry) in Tyrone could do a job for the county
That booing crap detestable in Gaelic fball, Mayo still miss easy enough scores. Tyrone have gone bck at the rate of knots, In hindsight how did they ever win a All-Ireland. Still if they get a goal here, they still have half a chance. That lad Carney some player.
Jack Carney doing a mountain of work and constantly involved tonight. There's one hell of a player there if he can do that regularly.
You could drive a bus through the Tyrone defence. Absolutely shocking.
Embarrassing, tactically clueless, positinally clueless, no leadership.....div 2 here we come
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Over 6000 at Tuam Shtadium. That would have been hard to credit 3 years ago.
I was one of them, we are shite. I speak with Tyrone people day in day out, 80% of us know that we're shite. Insane to me that these boys have AI medals, and fair play to the entire set up for doing so, players and management. 18 months of dross, with no one really to come into the side. Ket boys.
Must be 90% now. A bad outfit.
Tyrone have no identity, most teams have a style of play, might be hybrid but identifiable, Tyrone don't. Said this time last year something was wrong in that camp, it's obviously still the same this year.
6 missing from the team that started the all Ireland and evenmore than that from the wider panel have left. The team is definitely in transition. Added to that that Mattie and Harte are coming to an end it's going to be hard this year.
Tyrone no longer hard to score against and beat. A real stroll that was for Mayo who are looking on course for another final appearance.
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That booing crap detestable in Gaelic fball, Mayo still miss easy enough scores. Tyrone have gone bck at the rate of knots, In hindsight how did they ever win a All-Ireland. Still if they get a goal here, they still have half a chance. That lad Carney some player.
By beating Donegal, Monaghan, Ulster champions Cavan, Kerry and Mayo.
They were the best team in Ireland in 2021.
Alot of ones have left since then, it's not the same team.
Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 25, 2023, 08:48:07 PM
Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
Totally agree how has mc Geeney got away with it for so long
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
Quote from: redzone on February 25, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
6 missing from the team that started the all Ireland and evenmore than that from the wider panel have left. The team is definitely in transition. Added to that that Mattie and Harte are coming to an end it's going to be hard this year.
Looked like there was 15 missing
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Quote from: redzone on February 25, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
6 missing from the team that started the all Ireland and evenmore than that from the wider panel have left. The team is definitely in transition. Added to that that Mattie and Harte are coming to an end it's going to be hard this year.
Looked like there was 15 missing
Lost by a point in a close game to Kerry at home, a bad time to met Kerry as they were pressurised desperate to win this game.
Just it was a turgid game but tight.
Decent performance and very disappointed not to get a result which is decent going considering we must be missing 5 or 6 starters. Kerry didn't like the physicality, Clifford was really well marshalled.
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That booing crap detestable in Gaelic fball, Mayo still miss easy enough scores. Tyrone have gone bck at the rate of knots, In hindsight how did they ever win a All-Ireland. Still if they get a goal here, they still have half a chance. That lad Carney some player.
By beating Donegal, Monaghan, Ulster champions Cavan, Kerry and Mayo.
They were the best team in Ireland in 2021.
Alot of ones have left since then, it's not the same team.
Covid champions. An anomaly.
I think you'll find Dublin were the covid champions.
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
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That booing crap detestable in Gaelic fball, Mayo still miss easy enough scores. Tyrone have gone bck at the rate of knots, In hindsight how did they ever win a All-Ireland. Still if they get a goal here, they still have half a chance. That lad Carney some player.
By beating Donegal, Monaghan, Ulster champions Cavan, Kerry and Mayo.
They were the best team in Ireland in 2021.
Alot of ones have left since then, it's not the same team.
Covid champions. An anomaly.
There's no doubt about it, the stars aligned in 2021 but we beat all the top teams bar Dublin and were the best team by far. It's in the psyche of all those Tyrone players that they have the capability of winning an all Ireland. That may be the problem. It's equally in the psyche of Mayo players that they have the capability of never winning one. Also a problem. I honestly would like to see McStay and this team get over the line. The most likeable team. I would just wonder if the buzz is happening too early in the season.
Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
On Wednesday next it's March!
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
On Wednesday next it's March!
And the championship starts in 6 weeks.
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
On Wednesday next it's March!
Which means one month to the championship :-\
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
On Wednesday next it's March!
That's true, but it's still February today. The Mayos are at fever pitch but it'll all end in tears.
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
On Wednesday next it's March!
That's true, but it's still February today. The Mayos are at fever pitch but it'll all end in tears.
Ah now, I thought Meath were leading the pack this year !
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
Stick to Division 3!!
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
It never seems to occur to some people that maybe we're just not as good as some teams and never will be no matter who's in charge.
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That booing crap detestable in Gaelic fball, Mayo still miss easy enough scores. Tyrone have gone bck at the rate of knots, In hindsight how did they ever win a All-Ireland. Still if they get a goal here, they still have half a chance. That lad Carney some player.
By beating Donegal, Monaghan, Ulster champions Cavan, Kerry and Mayo.
They were the best team in Ireland in 2021.
Alot of ones have left since then, it's not the same team.
Covid champions. An anomaly.
Another one clocked up. Tyrone scored 2-8 off Mayo turnovers in the 2021 final. That is more important than yesterday. And if Tyrone get their shit together again they'll win another final.
20 years ago Armagh had one all Ireland , Galway had 9, Down had 5 and Tyrone had none. Now Tyrone have 4 and the rest are unchanged.
It doesn't matter how you win them and it doesn't matter what happens in between. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/north-s-first-minister-hails-victorious-tyrone-at-homecoming-1.4671904
"The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
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Just popped in to remind everyone it's February.
On Wednesday next it's March!
And the championship starts in 6 weeks.
It's insane.
County finals will still be in October.
They could still have a month of overlap.
I don't think they thought through everything, especially more games in less time.
Meanwhile back to 26th February and Division 1....
We have a tough task on hand against a Monaghan team with their dander up following last week's victory.
Certainly a step up in intensity from the previous 3 games.
Also I don't think we ever won a match in Clones (in my memory anyway).
Hopeful but certainly not confident against the great survivors.
Donegal seem at a low ebb these days and defeat today would leave them favourites for relegation.
Tyrone have a look of D2 about them these days. Dooher/Logan certainly looked pretty sickly after the final whistle last night.
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
It never seems to occur to some people that maybe we're just not as good as some teams and never will be no matter who's in charge.
I agree. I like McGeeney. Progress has been slow but it's there. I do understand where some fans are coming from tho. Th e only thing is they never offer an alternative. Just say McGeeney out
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
It never seems to occur to some people that maybe we're just not as good as some teams and never will be no matter who's in charge.
I agree. I like McGeeney. Progress has been slow but it's there. I do understand where some fans are coming from tho. Th e only thing is they never offer an alternative. Just say McGeeney out
Not in the middle of the league. Armagh were part of the national conversation for the first time in a very long time last year. Surely that means something.
A game of pass the parcel in Letterkenny so far.
What is that penalty for? Overcarrying?
What happened there? Looked like the Galway defender caught the ball on the line and then pulled it back behind the line? Ref gives penalty.
Not sure
I refuse to believe there isn't a better goalkeeper in Galway than the current occupant.
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What is that penalty for? Overcarrying?
Not sure, goalkeeper Gleeson has to deal with it and then he should have saved that poorly taken penalty.
Can we finally please f**king get rid of Conor Gleeson.
How he is still being picked is baffling
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What is that penalty for? Overcarrying?
Not sure, goalkeeper Gleeson has to deal with it and then he should have saved that poorly taken penalty.
Sure that's the thing - he isn't capable of dealing with high ball.
Anyone who has ever watched Gleeson could tell you that.
He's a pure disaster
Half time Donegal 1-6 Galway 1-3. I'm a bit puzzled as to why that penalty was awarded to Donegal.
Surely it should just have been an own goal?
Gleeson somehow managed to punch the ball up and back towards his own goal. Can't continue with him in nets.
In general though, Galway just not at it at all today. Second to every ball. Lads standing still waiting instead of attacking the ball.
Galway defender threw the ball.
Technical foul in small square is a penalty.
I didn't see umpires signal that the ball was across the line, so i assume ref didn't know if it was across the line before he signalled for the penalty.
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Galway defender threw the ball.
Technical foul in small square is a penalty.
I didn't see umpires signal that the ball was across the line, so i assume ref didn't know if it was across the line before he signalled for the penalty.
Galway defender didn't pass the ball at all.
Looked like he carried it back over the line so should have been a goal anyway.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/25/division-one-leaders-roscommon-hoping-to-maintain-flying-start/
Gay Sheerin has seen it all in Roscommon. He played in goal for the county, managed them and most recently returned as a selector during the tenure of John Evans. When the new management team took over in advance of the 2013 season, Roscommon were drifting in the backwaters of Division Three.
"I said it at the time," recalls Sheerin. "'Lads, you are only pissing about here if you think this is the league to be in. Or the division above it. The only place to be playing football for us is Division One. That's where we need to be.'"
Some poor wides for Donegal at the start of the second half.
Have a feeling we'll regret them.
Only one in it now
Finnerty is on and Galway have the wind
Donegal have kicked themselves out of this.
1-6 each, Donegal still awaiting their first score of the 2nd half.
Tierney has 1-2
Donegal 7 scores from 20 shots speaks for itself. Galway hit the front with 11 minutes to play.
We're too slow in the buildup. Same old story. Can't get the likes of Brennan or Gallen on the ball to give them a chance.
Donegal haven't scored or half an hour per Rna G
Matthew Tierney the clear MOTM. was Galway's main player last week also against Tyrone. Donegal mess up a good goal chance, the tribesmen two in front
Donegal's first score for 36 minutes yet still only one point behind. And level now!
Rob Finnerty puts Galway back in front, at least a decent finish to this game in what has been a poor quality game.
Level again
Donegal are hard to beat in Letterkenny! Fortunately, Armagh have them in the Athletic grounds this year.
1-9 each probably a fair result in the end.
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Donegal are hard to beat in Letterkenny! Fortunately, Armagh have them in the Athletic grounds this year.
That's Ballybofey. We've a horrible record in Letterkenny.
We have to beat Mayo in Ballybofey now to have any chance whatsoever of staying up.
I don't think we've beaten Mayo in anything since the 2012 final if I'm not mistaken.
I suppose Donegal got more out of Galway than Tyrone dîd
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2023, 02:08:22 PM
Donegal are hard to beat in Letterkenny! Fortunately, Armagh have them in the Athletic grounds this year.
Donegal have an atrocious record in Letterkenny.
Poor Galway performance and a really poor result in the context of Division One, Donegal are nowhere near the top level teams, coming off two hidings, and they could have easily won that game if they had any decent efforts shooting at the posts. Mayo will hammer them, chalk it down.
What is it going to take to change the goalkeeper? Another match costing howler and our kickout strategy is killing us from having any chance of becoming a really good team. The options are so poor behind him is the only thing, Power has been tried and isn't up to IC, is the best Galway keeper in the county really playing for the Rossies???
Need to beat Monaghan at home now but a repeat of that showing won't be good enough.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/24/new-calendar-means-kerrys-league-struggles-could-come-back-to-bite-them/
If O'Connor has seemed a bit crankier than usual these past few weeks, it's not hard to work out why. Missing so many players for the start of the season was never ideal but he could at least hope to use the first three games to give himself options for the rest of the year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces. Tony Brosnan has been lively but he's a known quantity, he made his senior debut for Kerry in 2016. All in all, Kerry's championship team seems likely to be more or less the same as last year's. But that cast of characters was far more advanced this time last year than where it is now.
Will it be enough? Maybe. Would they be able to absorb a Clifford injury in June or July? Unlikely. Are we really, seriously, hypothesising this stuff before we're halfway through the league? Damn right we are.
The new championship body clock demands nothing less.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0226/1358970-allianz-football-league-donegal-v-galway-updates/
Matthew Tierney could be the in-form Gaelic footballer in the country.
The only positive out of that game is that he has put two great performances back to back, long may it continue.
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The only positive out of that game is that he has put two great performances back to back, long may it continue.
I think he has scored 3-10 over 3 matches. Very encouraging for later on.
That's was an absolutely atrocious performance. Restarts and the late turnovers would melt your head altogether. Tierney the standout performer for Galway by a country mile. A win next weekend is an absolute must.
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Donegal are hard to beat in Letterkenny! Fortunately, Armagh have them in the Athletic grounds this year.
That's Ballybofey. We've a horrible record in Letterkenny.
We have to beat Mayo in Ballybofey now to have any chance whatsoever of staying up.
I don't think we've beaten Mayo in anything since the 2012 final if I'm not mistaken.
Mayo lost to Donegal in a 2016 league match
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Monaghan v Roscommon match link on TG4 not working. Monaghan 4-2 ahead the latest
The Roscommon cavalry don't get out of bed until half time
Just saw footage from the stand of Conroy's last free, it looks far more of a point than it does a wide to be honest!
Nice dive from McCarron there.
Half time Monaghan 0-7 Roscommon 0-5
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
It never seems to occur to some people that maybe we're just not as good as some teams and never will be no matter who's in charge.
Considering the state of club football in Armagh I think Geezer has done really well to get us to where we are. Feel he has yet to get the balance between attack and defence- we were solid last night defensively but with the forwards we have we should be putting up big scores. Rian O'Neill needs left inside more often- even if he doesnt get the ball he occupies 2 or 3 defends and causes panic
Monaghan 0-12 Roscommon 0-9 the rossies down to 14 men with Diarmuid Murtagh black card. 13 minutes to play.
FT big win for Monaghan 0-14 to 0-11. Rossies first league defeat for 12 matches.
Well done Monaghan. The cockroaches of Division 1
Looking at the Division One league table I'd say a repeat of the league final pairing last year is likely.
Big win for Monaghan. Pressure eased a little, though still work to do obviously. This would always have been targeted as a must win game - especially at home - but with the way Roscommon started the league, it was clear it wouldn't be an easy one. Decent performance but still a good bit of work to put in, alot of younger players involved though so that's no surprise. Should probably have taken more advantage of the black card period to leave not quite as nervy an end, but the result is the main thing in the end.
Certainly a much more positive outlook on things now compared to when we were leaving Kerry with the tail between the legs. Happy to see Vinny turn things around since then, was always going to be a tough first year in charge so this isn't a bad position after 4 games.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 04:12:35 PM
Looking at the Division One league table I'd say a repeat of the league final pairing last year is likely.
Yeah with likely Kerry winning again.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 04:12:35 PM
Looking at the Division One league table I'd say a repeat of the league final pairing last year is likely.
Mayo will want avoid that fixture this year like the plague given the Roscommon game is a week later.
Latest odds
Mayo 6/4
Kerry 2/1
Galway 11/2
Ros 11/2
Armagh 14/1
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/nfl-division-1-football/winner
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 02:23:29 PM
The only positive out of that game is that he has put two great performances back to back, long may it continue.
To be fair "An Fhairche Abu", you have been one of the most educated and honest commentators on Galway football on this board.
However as a Mayoman, I believe you are viewing the glass as half empty.
Galway have played the league without a full team, Three starting forwards, have hardly played, one of them arguably the best in Ireland. The lack of any other scoring forwards options was their achilles heel last, as including added time they failed to score in the last 15 minuets of the all Ireland final.
They have also been down two backs, a bit easier to replace, but still have a very solid base, who aside from not challenging Clifford for the ridiculously easy marks in the final, showed themselves to be very adept.
In addition to the forwards which have had to step up, Peter Cooke is another who did not figure last year, should be a contributor this year.
Finally, how big of a motivator is hurt, revenge and knowing deep down that you were probably better than Kerry last year, yet walking away with nothing. IMO immeasurable.
As I am less distracted than usual on. Sunday, I will also provide my thoughts on my Mayo four games in.
The good;
Physical fitness and conditioning has really improved, quiet a few players have bulked up and are not getting knocked off the ball as easily as they were.
More decisive attacking, less one dimensional than under James Horan. Inside movement and tactics seems to be streets ahead of where we were.
Better kicking skills, which has resulted in the ball being moved more quickly thus not allowing opposing midfielders and sweepers to reset.
After ten years Aiden O Shea is finally being played where he should be.
More options than last two years around the middle third, in a very crowded calendar, backs ups in this area vital.
For once we seem to have 9-10 forwards that appear to be capable and comfortable of actually kicking points from inside 35 yards.
The bad;
We need two corner backs, neither Hession nor Coyne have the physiques to hold off a robust inside forward, very evident so far, especially yesterday in first 20 mins until Tyrone collapsed out the field.
Hession is worthy of a half back berth, Coyne I am not sure of yet.
Unnecessary implosion against Armagh scares me, We still need a goalkeeper comfortable under a high ball, still have nightmares that Henelley will do a Henelley at some point in the latter stages of the championship should we be so lucky to be there.
Stephen Coen tries hard, but just does not have the speed for inter county football, really has no recovery whatsoever.
So predictable, opposing defenders just back off him knowing that he is instructed not to shoot.
Fionn McDonagh tries very hard and does a lot of good defending, but has zero scoring threat, he will continually be pushed on to his right foot, which he is uncomfortable kicking with.
Overall, happy with our progress, I like McStay, really rate Donie Buckley, Rochford is being given credit for new work with inside forwards. We are an unfinished article, but are trying out new players who are adding value that's for sure.
I will go on record that I do feel Mayo or Galway will be in the All-Ireland final, at this point leaning towards Galway, who knows maybe both.
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
Keep McGeeney and upgrade assistant manager. Cooper as defensive coach and teach our players to tackle
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
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What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Mileage compensation co-coordinator.
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Time for mcgeeney to pass on the reigns? Tactically inept and just can't win close games.
Armagh have the talent, just wrong man at helm.
Any thoughts on your own Tyrone taking a trimming tonight? Could be McGeeney's Armagh that officially send Tyrone down to Division 2.
I've little doubt we will beat a hopeless Tyrone side but we won't beat Kerry or Dublin unless we make changes. Current management set is just not up to the task
That suggests to me you know nothing about Armagh cllub football tbh, a fake Armagh profile probably. Armagh club football is shite, to be where we are in County football is impressive imo.
We are not gonna progress further under these tactics and mgt set up. Change needed to get to the next level. Just like in 2001.
Who would take over
Keep McGeeney and upgrade assistant manager. Cooper as defensive coach and teach our players to tackle
Why do Armagh always think they are punching above their weight. Its almost like they like to reward average.
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2023, 04:08:54 PM
Well done Monaghan. The cockroaches of Division 1
Cockroaches?? we're the scorpions of div 1.
Nice to have dispatched the uppity Rossies who were well neutered by Vinny's oppressive masterplan. It follows that for long periods it was not a great game to watch.
For a team on long winning streak I was surprised at Roscommon's indiscipline and poor tackling, the assault on Jack McC was just plain stupid and fortunate the ref didn't see it, then the black carded stupid 'tackle' on a surging Darren Hughes who was posing no direct danger around midfield.
Most probably will need another 2 points for div 1 status and a decent points difference might come in handy.
The oul dogs for the hard road exposed our many weaknesses today.
Well bet and flattered to be only 3 down at the end.
Godhelpus next weekend against the flying superhus :-\
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Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2023, 04:08:54 PM
Well done Monaghan. The cockroaches of Division 1
Cockroaches?? we're the scorpions of div 1.
Nice to have dispatched the uppity Rossies who were well neutered by Vinny's oppressive masterplan. It follows that for long periods it was not a great game to watch.
For a team on long winning streak I was surprised at Roscommon's indiscipline and poor tackling, the assault on Jack McC was just plain stupid and fortunate the ref didn't see it, then the black carded stupid 'tackle' on a surging Darren Hughes who was posing no direct danger around midfield.
Most probably will need another 2 points for div 1 status and a decent points difference might come in handy.
cockroaches can survive nuclear explosions Monaghan seem to be like that in Div 1 and survival mode is certainly switched on now.
Seen those two incidents on the deferred coverage on TG4. Yellow was about right McCarron overplayed the push. Don't think it was a black card, high challenges like that are normally yellow. Deserved win for Monaghan, attacked and defended better interesting game against Galway next.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 04:12:35 PM
Looking at the Division One league table I'd say a repeat of the league final pairing last year is likely.
If there's any chance of Kerry qualifying for the league final in the latter stages of the final game, there'll be instructions coming in from Jack O'Connor to score 5 own goals in a row.
He'd definitely prefer a week of full pelt training than preparing for a league final. Completely different situation to last year where some silverware and a win in Croke Park were badly needed to boost confidence.
Main focus now is dealing with teams having figured out Kerry's defense and/or attack of 2022. Needs a new and improved version 2.0.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 04:12:35 PM
Looking at the Division One league table I'd say a repeat of the league final pairing last year is likely.
If there's any chance of Kerry qualifying for the league final in the latter stages of the final game, there'll be instructions coming in from Jack O'Connor to score 5 own goals in a row.
He'd definitely prefer a week of full pelt training than preparing for a league final. Completely different situation to last year where some silverware and a win in Croke Park were badly needed to boost confidence.
Main focus now is dealing with teams having figured out Kerry's defense and/or attack of 2022. Needs a new and improved version 2.0.
League final on April 2nd and Kerry's first championship match is against Tipp who look to be dropping to Div 4 and without their best forwards and Waterford the worst team in the land isn't on until three weeks later. A league final will suit Kerry a lot more than most in Div 1.
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Well done Monaghan. The cockroaches of Division 1
Cockroaches?? we're the scorpions of div 1.
Nice to have dispatched the uppity Rossies who were well neutered by Vinny's oppressive masterplan. It follows that for long periods it was not a great game to watch.
For a team on long winning streak I was surprised at Roscommon's indiscipline and poor tackling, the assault on Jack McC was just plain stupid and fortunate the ref didn't see it, then the black carded stupid 'tackle' on a surging Darren Hughes who was posing no direct danger around midfield.
Most probably will need another 2 points for div 1 status and a decent points difference might come in handy.
cockroaches can survive nuclear explosions Monaghan seem to be like that in Div 1 and survival mode is certainly switched on now.
Seen those two incidents on the deferred coverage on TG4. Yellow was about right McCarron overplayed the push. Don't think it was a black card, high challenges like that are normally yellow. Deserved win for Monaghan, attacked and defended better interesting game against Galway next.
You're taking the píss :D
The normal yellow card challenge was the crafty Darren Hughes' 'disciplined' tackle taking down the inrushing Rossie late on in the game, the absolutely stupid black card challenge by the Rossie against Darren was the very definition of a black card challenge, stepped out in front and took him down. And McCarron was assaulted by a high 2 handed attack on his face/neck, a red card all day long, Rossie's Hughes was infantile stupid with that assault and very fortunate with just the yellow card. The contrast in discipline between both teams was remarkable, re defending and in the tackle, 2 black cards and a rake of yellow cards dished out by a lenient ref tells a story.
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Well done Monaghan. The cockroaches of Division 1
Cockroaches?? we're the scorpions of div 1.
Nice to have dispatched the uppity Rossies who were well neutered by Vinny's oppressive masterplan. It follows that for long periods it was not a great game to watch.
For a team on long winning streak I was surprised at Roscommon's indiscipline and poor tackling, the assault on Jack McC was just plain stupid and fortunate the ref didn't see it, then the black carded stupid 'tackle' on a surging Darren Hughes who was posing no direct danger around midfield.
Most probably will need another 2 points for div 1 status and a decent points difference might come in handy.
cockroaches can survive nuclear explosions Monaghan seem to be like that in Div 1 and survival mode is certainly switched on now.
Seen those two incidents on the deferred coverage on TG4. Yellow was about right McCarron overplayed the push. Don't think it was a black card, high challenges like that are normally yellow. Deserved win for Monaghan, attacked and defended better interesting game against Galway next.
You're taking the píss :D
The normal yellow card challenge was the crafty Darren Hughes' 'disciplined' tackle taking down the inrushing Rossie late on in the game, the absolutely stupid black card challenge by the Rossie against Darren was the very definition of a black card challenge, stepped out in front and took him down. And McCarron was assaulted by a high 2 handed attack on his face/neck, a red card all day long, Rossie's Hughes was infantile stupid with that assault and very fortunate with just the yellow card. The contrast in discipline between both teams was remarkable, re defending and in the tackle, 2 black cards and a rake of yellow cards dished out by a lenient ref tells a story.
Have you watched the incidents back? McCarron reaction to a push was a bit over the top, Journalist Cahair O'Kane also had the view that a yellow was the correct call. The first black on 53 minutes is rarely seen for such challenges. Around the neck,shoulder the typical poor mis timed tackle by a forward.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
Forwards coach you joking 20 men behind the ball saturday night.
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
What do these coaches do exactly?
i.e. route one. Just hoof it into the square? Be safer just doing a one night workshop on that and let him off.
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
What do these coaches do exactly?
i.e. route one. Just hoof it into the square? Be safer just doing a one night workshop on that and let him off.
They develop playing styles.
They build routines
They work on psychology
They develop players.
They do the iterations
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 04:12:35 PM
Looking at the Division One league table I'd say a repeat of the league final pairing last year is likely.
If there's any chance of Kerry qualifying for the league final in the latter stages of the final game, there'll be instructions coming in from Jack O'Connor to score 5 own goals in a row.
He'd definitely prefer a week of full pelt training than preparing for a league final. Completely different situation to last year where some silverware and a win in Croke Park were badly needed to boost confidence.
Main focus now is dealing with teams having figured out Kerry's defense and/or attack of 2022. Needs a new and improved version 2.0.
You'd think if anyone wouldn't mind an extra game it would be Kerry. Mayo / Roscommon have a meaningful championship game a week later, whereas Kerry can't face a Div 1 or 2 team until 3 weeks later.
You would think a game against a D1 team would be better to iron out these type of issues than another week's training
Quote from: skeog on February 27, 2023, 06:58:58 AM
Forwards coach you joking 20 men behind the ball saturday night.
Well spotted Jim Gavin ;). We've played some great football attacking wise in patches the last few years, Saturday was definitely not our usual game
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
What do these coaches do exactly?
i.e. route one. Just hoof it into the square? Be safer just doing a one night workshop on that and let him off.
Be as well with no manager just let the players pick themselves.
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
I think if we had went all out vs Kerry, their forwards would have had a field day down there. Someone said on another board that people comparing our game and Mayos vs Kerry saying Mayo really went for it are forgetting that Kerry were down their main forwards that day.
There is a balance that needs to be struck, I think a big help would be to leave Rian inside for longer periods, his presence draws 2 or 3 defenders and opens everything up for others.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 11:06:04 AM
I think if we had went all out vs Kerry, their forwards would have had a field day down there. Someone said on another board that people comparing our game and Mayos vs Kerry saying Mayo really went for it are forgetting that Kerry were down their main forwards that day.
There is a balance that needs to be struck, I think a big help would be to leave Rian inside for longer periods, his presence draws 2 or 3 defenders and opens everything up for others.
Those tactics are borne out of fear. Fear of the opposition and one player in particular. It was total overkill at the complete expense of an attacking threat. We gained a moral victory and avoided a heavy defeat but that was not an inevitability given that Kerry have not had a great preparation for this years League. At the end of the day we got zero points but bored the supporters to death in the process.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 11:06:04 AM
I think if we had went all out vs Kerry, their forwards would have had a field day down there. Someone said on another board that people comparing our game and Mayos vs Kerry saying Mayo really went for it are forgetting that Kerry were down their main forwards that day.
There is a balance that needs to be struck, I think a big help would be to leave Rian inside for longer periods, his presence draws 2 or 3 defenders and opens everything up for others.
Those tactics are borne out of fear. Fear of the opposition and one player in particular. It was total overkill at the complete expense of an attacking threat. We gained a moral victory and avoided a heavy defeat but that was not an inevitability given that Kerry have not had a great preparation for this years League. At the end of the day we got zero points but bored the supporters to death in the process.
Yeah I wouldn't be a fan of that set up either but can see why we did it. For all that- a few things go the other way- McKay catches that last ball, we don't give away a daft free for something off the ball late on (may have been McQullian i forget), Rian doesn't make a mess of that long range free he tried to pass to forker and we'd have been up the road with a win or a draw happy as Larry.
Expect to see much more open games now for the rest of the league.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 11:06:04 AM
I think if we had went all out vs Kerry, their forwards would have had a field day down there. Someone said on another board that people comparing our game and Mayos vs Kerry saying Mayo really went for it are forgetting that Kerry were down their main forwards that day.
There is a balance that needs to be struck, I think a big help would be to leave Rian inside for longer periods, his presence draws 2 or 3 defenders and opens everything up for others.
Those tactics are borne out of fear. Fear of the opposition and one player in particular. It was total overkill at the complete expense of an attacking threat. We gained a moral victory and avoided a heavy defeat but that was not an inevitability given that Kerry have not had a great preparation for this years League. At the end of the day we got zero points but bored the supporters to death in the process.
Yeah I wouldn't be a fan of that set up either but can see why we did it. For all that- a few things go the other way- McKay catches that last ball, we don't give away a daft free for something off the ball late on (may have been McQullian i forget), Rian doesn't make a mess of that long range free he tried to pass to forker and we'd have been up the road with a win or a draw happy as Larry.
Expect to see much more open games now for the rest of the league.
That type of football is a form of short term self protection against the potential for a humiliating defeat. In the longer term you will never win anything playing in that manner.
As for your expectation that we will see more attacking football going forward, I wish I could be sure of this but there since there is no discernible game plan from week to week we just don't know what to expect. We gained an identity during last years qualifiers for playing less structured football with scope for players to play more off the cuff but that has disappeared again this season. The majority of opposition kick outs we seem happy to concede and almost everyone sprints back into defence when we lose possession before working the ball slowly back up into attack.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
We beat Donegal off the field in Clones last year playing more open and direct and had one of the games of the season against Galway in Croker playing similarly. Hope to see that again the next few weeks especially at home.
OTB on Armagh v Kerry. Quite a good analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbz1FUHIh1I&t=5556s
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
I wouldn't agree with that, I thought we struck the balance just right in those 3 matches last year and our defending was not an issue. Top class forwards like Comer and Walsh were almost nullified in that game. If anything it was midfield where we struggled at times against Galway. As a spectator that is how I want Armagh to play all the time, it is good to watch and it suits the players we have. Most objective observers agreed that the Galway match was the game of 2022.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
I wouldn't agree with that, I thought we struck the balance just right in those 3 matches last year and our defending was not an issue. Top class forwards like Comer and Walsh were almost nullified in that game. If anything it was midfield where we struggled at times against Galway. As a spectator that is how I want Armagh to play all the time, it is good to watch and it suits the players we have. Most objective observers agreed that the Galway match was the game of 2022.
It was class- heart hasn't been the same since it! We still conceded too much that day although agreed we marshalled Walsh and Comer really well which not too many can do. Looking at it objectively though were were well down late on and got 3 goals from going route one.
I'm surprised at some of the negativity that I've seen from Armagh folks about this game. Sure, it was there to be won or drawn and we left it behind us. Look at the positives first.
- That was a strong Kerry team and we competed with them playing a more defensive system
- Managed to bottle up their two star players with Clifford having an off-evening
- Good enough, well organised performance, despite missing numerous players through injury
- Some very good individual performances: McCabe very good, McCambridge done well on Clifford, albeit with help. Both Burns played rightly
Negatives:
- Poor game management - 20 mins without a score
- Not great in midfield (surprised that we went long with our kick outs so often)
- Quality of ball into the FF line in the first half was very poor - wasted so much possession, with bad early ball that the Kerry defense mopped up
- Decision making in the moment not good - O'Neill's short pass to Forker, McQuillan foul on O'Se when he was on his knees (maybe that's why he isn't starting)
Injuries wise, off the top of my head, we're currently missing about six potential starters:
Midfielders:
Ben Crealy
Connaire Mackin
Oisin O'Neill
Ciaran Higgins
Forwards:
Rory Grugan
Aidan Nugent
Defenders:
James Morgan
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 12:38:02 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 27, 2023, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Quote from: APM on February 27, 2023, 12:53:17 PM
I'm surprised at some of the negativity that I've seen from Armagh folks about this game. Sure, it was there to be won or drawn and we left it behind us. Look at the positives first.
- That was a strong Kerry team and we competed with them playing a more defensive system
- Managed to bottle up their two star players with Clifford having an off-evening
- Good enough, well organised performance, despite missing numerous players through injury
- Some very good individual performances: McCabe very good, McCambridge done well on Clifford, albeit with help. Both Burns played rightly
Negatives:
- Poor game management - 20 mins without a score
- Not great in midfield (surprised that we went long with our kick outs so often)
- Quality of ball into the FF line in the first half was very poor - wasted so much possession, with bad early ball that the Kerry defense mopped up
- Decision making in the moment not good - O'Neill's short pass to Forker, McQuillan foul on O'Se when he was on his knees (maybe that's why he isn't starting)
Injuries wise, off the top of my head, we're currently missing about six potential starters:
Midfielders:
Ben Crealy
Connaire Mackin
Oisin O'Neill
Ciaran Higgins
Forwards:
Rory Grugan
Aidan Nugent
Defenders:
James Morgan
aAgree with a lot of that apm, but we are usually exciting to watch for the neutral, with our attacking play. Saturday was different and a reverting back to the negative football from a few years back that we all hated. Like you say though- plenty of positives as well especially how quiet Clifford and O'Shea were. Stephen Sheridan injured as well I think and there could be a couple more to add that I'm forgetting.
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Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Ah come on! I doubt that there are any supporters that want to see that. The team does need to play different tactics to cope with certain opposition. This was an away game against the All Ireland Champions with vital league points at stake. If they play like that next week against Donegal I'll be disappointed.
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Ah come on! I doubt that there are any supporters that want to see that. The team does need to play different tactics to cope with certain opposition. This was an away game against the All Ireland Champions with vital league points at stake. If they play like that next week against Donegal I'll be disappointed.
Yeah I agree. Be fairly sure we'll be a lot more direct this week and play with forwards!
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Ah come on! I doubt that there are any supporters that want to see that. The team does need to play different tactics to cope with certain opposition. This was an away game against the All Ireland Champions with vital league points at stake. If they play like that next week against Donegal I'll be disappointed.
Yeah I agree. Be fairly sure we'll be a lot more direct this week and play with forwards!
We can agree on that!
Some boys need to read Sun Tzu"s Art of War or alternatively listen to Kenny Roger's The Gambler, same sentiments.
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 27, 2023, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Its what Kerry,Dublin,Mayo and Galway all do this when out of possession regardless of what some in media say. Armagh have to learn to adjust and move the ball quicker when possession is gained. It's striking the balance between making ourselves hard to score against and doing enough damage the other end to win matches.
One final point, lets not forget it was Armagh 0-13 Galway 1-16 after 71 minutes last year could easily have been a different narrative but for the late rally to grab extra time.
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What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Its what Kerry,Dublin,Mayo and Galway all do this when out of possession regardless of what some in media say. Armagh have to learn to adjust and move the ball quicker when possession is gained. It's striking the balance between making ourselves hard to score against and doing enough damage the other end to win matches.
One final point, lets not forget it was Armagh 0-13 Galway 1-16 after 71 minutes last year could easily have been a different narrative but for the late rally to grab extra time.
One additional point,
Armagh didn't score for over 21 minutes in yesterday's game - between the 39th and 61st minute. That was over a quarter of the 79 minutes that were played. They scored 11 points in the remaining 58 minutes, which is about a score every 5 minutes. It was that 20 minute period during the middle of the second half that killed us. We should have expected at least three points during that period based on the scoring pattern of the rest of the game. This is what I meant by game management.
During those 21 minutes they were turned over multiple times between the 50s. The cheap ones are in bold.
- Turbit after poor pass from O'Neill, 44mins - Duffy swarmed from the Armagh kickout 45:30
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Burns fumbles the ball, 46:19-
McCabe stumbles carrying the ball 47:26-
Murnion dispossessed, 51:22-
Burns fists the ball to himself and loses it, 53:30,
During that period O'Neill also missed free (55 mins) and the referee probably cost us a point due to the stoppage for Murnion's injury (49 mins) when it looked like Armagh were through.
For all the talk of the lack of quick ball into the forward line, most of the times it happened in the first half we were dispossessed. Remember, Kerry also set up very defensively yesterday, but their man-on-man defending was also excellent and were able to get a hand in with many of those long balls in.
I guess the point I'm making is that it's not all about quick transition. When we tried the long ball yesterday it didn't work and it only worked once for Kerry when it went through Aaron McKay's hands at the end.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on February 27, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 26, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
What exactly is Kieran Donaghys role ?
Forwards coach as far as I know. Think he's responsible for a lot of the route one football we've played in recent years which has made us so good to watch.
In fairness from speaking to a good few lads on the panel, he is absolutely an top class speaker and great man to have involved in the set up.
If he is the forwards coach then he must have took time off since the start of the season as we have gone back to the lateral defensive tripe that we seen in Ballybofey during last years Ulster championship. Which is baffling when you consider the turnaround in our form after that match in the games against Tyrone, Donegal and Galway. Exciting attacking football where we kicked the ball to inside forwards, created loads of goal chances and got the supporters off the edge of their seats. If we continue playing the sort of football we seen on Saturday the big crowds that are currently following Armagh won't be long dwindling away again. The most disappointing thing of the weekend in Tralee was the actual match itself. Armagh are being stifled by fear at the minute and our players don't suit this slow possession based build up stuff. We need it fast and frantic but for some reason we have gone back to this over analytic approach.
And what did you expect to see in February ?
Armagh's priority in this League is staying up.
The fancy stuff will come later.
I expected to see a continuation of the type of football we played after the Ballybofey defeat last season. Playing the type of high octane attacking football that suits the players we have. Keeping 3/4 forwards up the pitch and transitioning quickly and pressing the opposition on kick outs.
Realistically a balance has to be struck. We were far to open defensively against Galway last year.
Too open defensively has been the Achilles heel in all the championship defeats under McGeeney. High octane attacking football as pleasing as it is to watch it leaves the defence exposed, should be no issue if the defence is worked on during the league that's what even Kerry did last year.
Flooding the defence just by getting loads of bodies back is totally different to working on our individual defending. Kerrys attack was successfully stifled on Saturday but at what expense. McCambridge for example shut down Clifford well but he had loads of protection in front of him so I don't think we learned anything new about his ability to defend one on one in space.
If some supporters want us to play more defensively then fine but then don't expect the attack not to suffer as the ball will have to be worked up the pitch much more slowly through the hands. You'll see more of Murnin playing midfield as other players like Hall, Duffy, Kelly and Cumiskey are sacrificed to help form that defensive shield. We'll sit back on opposition kick outs and keep that rigid defensive shield in place. We'll keep the score down that way and will be competitive and will bring the game down to the last 10 minutes in most games but it won't improve our chances of being successful that some seem to think. And we will be bored to death in the process.
Its what Kerry,Dublin,Mayo and Galway all do this when out of possession regardless of what some in media say. Armagh have to learn to adjust and move the ball quicker when possession is gained. It's striking the balance between making ourselves hard to score against and doing enough damage the other end to win matches.
One final point, lets not forget it was Armagh 0-13 Galway 1-16 after 71 minutes last year could easily have been a different narrative but for the late rally to grab extra time.
One additional point,
Armagh didn't score for over 21 minutes in yesterday's game - between the 39th and 61st minute. That was over a quarter of the 79 minutes that were played. They scored 11 points in the remaining 58 minutes, which is about a score every 5 minutes. It was that 20 minute period during the middle of the second half that killed us. We should have expected at least three points during that period based on the scoring pattern of the rest of the game. This is what I meant by game management.
During those 21 minutes they were turned over multiple times between the 50s. The cheap ones are in bold.
- Turbit after poor pass from O'Neill, 44mins
- Duffy swarmed from the Armagh kickout 45:30
- Burns fumbles the ball, 46:19
- McCabe stumbles carrying the ball 47:26
- Murnion dispossessed, 51:22
- Burns fists the ball to himself and loses it, 53:30,
During that period O'Neill also missed free (55 mins) and the referee probably cost us a point due to the stoppage for Murnion's injury (49 mins) when it looked like Armagh were through.
For all the talk of the lack of quick ball into the forward line, most of the times it happened in the first half we were dispossessed. Remember, Kerry also set up very defensively yesterday, but their man-on-man defending was also excellent and were able to get a hand in with many of those long balls in.
That Burns fist to himself was baffling not sure what he was at. Haven't seen a replay but thought he could have had a free as the Kerry man blocked him running on to it.
The one decent ball from memory that went into O'Neill he was fit to get out in front, turn and pop over a good score- ideal tactic would be to have him in that position as often as possible- very difficult to mark a player like that
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 02:23:29 PM
The only positive out of that game is that he has put two great performances back to back, long may it continue.
This got lost in the Armagh/Kerry chat, just reposted from yesterday, curious as to what the thoughts of the Mayo /Galway bloggers on the board.
To be fair "An Fhairche Abu", you have been one of the most educated and honest commentators on Galway football on this board.
However as a Mayoman, I believe you are viewing the glass as half empty.
Galway have played the league without a full team, Three starting forwards, have hardly played, one of them arguably the best in Ireland. The lack of any other scoring forwards options was their achilles heel last, as including added time they failed to score in the last 15 minuets of the all Ireland final.
They have also been down two backs, a bit easier to replace, but still have a very solid base, who aside from not challenging Clifford for the ridiculously easy marks in the final, showed themselves to be very adept.
In addition to the forwards which have had to step up, Peter Cooke is another who did not figure last year, should be a contributor this year.
Finally, how big of a motivator is hurt, revenge and knowing deep down that you were probably better than Kerry last year, yet walking away with nothing. IMO immeasurable.
As I am less distracted than usual on. Sunday, I will also provide my thoughts on my Mayo four games in.
The good;
Physical fitness and conditioning has really improved, quiet a few players have bulked up and are not getting knocked off the ball as easily as they were.
More decisive attacking, less one dimensional than under James Horan. Inside movement and tactics seems to be streets ahead of where we were.
Better kicking skills, which has resulted in the ball being moved more quickly thus not allowing opposing midfielders and sweepers to reset.
After ten years Aiden O Shea is finally being played where he should be.
More options than last two years around the middle third, in a very crowded calendar, backs ups in this area vital.
For once we seem to have 9-10 forwards that appear to be capable and comfortable of actually kicking points from inside 35 yards.
The bad;
We need two corner backs, neither Hession nor Coyne have the physiques to hold off a robust inside forward, very evident so far, especially yesterday in first 20 mins until Tyrone collapsed out the field.
Hession is worthy of a half back berth, Coyne I am not sure of yet.
Unnecessary implosion against Armagh scares me, We still need a goalkeeper comfortable under a high ball, still have nightmares that Henelley will do a Henelley at some point in the latter stages of the championship should we be so lucky to be there.
Stephen Coen tries hard, but just does not have the speed for inter county football, really has no recovery whatsoever.
So predictable, opposing defenders just back off him knowing that he is instructed not to shoot.
Fionn McDonagh tries very hard and does a lot of good defending, but has zero scoring threat, he will continually be pushed on to his right foot, which he is uncomfortable kicking with.
Overall, happy with our progress, I like McStay, really rate Donie Buckley, Rochford is being given credit for new work with inside forwards. We are an unfinished article, but are trying out new players who are adding value that's for sure.
I will go on record that I do feel Mayo or Galway will be in the All-Ireland final, at this point leaning towards Galway, who knows maybe both.
A poor poor performance but somehow managed to put themselves in a winning position and yet again game management let them down, 2 poor kick passes led to 2 Donegal scores in the last 10 minutes. Kickouts poor again, Donegal clearly won a fair bit more primary possession and kicked some really bad wides although Galway left a good few behind them too.
Tierney excellent again and Finnerty made a difference when he came in, Comer & Walsh are huge losses; add in Finnerty has only played about 60 minutes out of the 4 games so far and Culhane who was most likely to benefit from Walsh & Comer's absence been injured too has left Galway really short in the full forward line.
6 points might not be enough this year to avoid relegation.
What is the story with Tyrone? Was it 2015 that Sean Cavanagh took McManus out with the rugby move? They reached an all Ireland final in 2018. Ten of the players Tyrone used against Mayo in 2021 had been beaten out the gate by Dublin in 2018.
Tyrone were building for a few years. So was 2021 the end of a cycle ? And is it unrealistic to expect them to be competitive against counties further into the iterations ? And how many of the 2018 team are still on the panel?
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 07:10:39 PM
What is the story with Tyrone? Was it 2015 that Sean Cavanagh took McManus out with the rugby move? They reached an all Ireland final in 2018. Ten of the players Tyrone used against Mayo in 2021 had been beaten out the gate by Dublin in 2018.
Tyrone were building for a few years. So was 2021 the end of a cycle ? And is it unrealistic to expect them to be competitive against counties further into the iterations ? And how many of the 2018 team are still on the panel?
It was 2013 AI 1/4 Final.
We were beaten out the gate by Dublin in 2017 but in the 2018 final the difference was 1-3.
Quote from: clarshack on February 27, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2023, 07:10:39 PM
What is the story with Tyrone? Was it 2015 that Sean Cavanagh took McManus out with the rugby move? They reached an all Ireland final in 2018. Ten of the players Tyrone used against Mayo in 2021 had been beaten out the gate by Dublin in 2018.
Tyrone were building for a few years. So was 2021 the end of a cycle ? And is it unrealistic to expect them to be competitive against counties further into the iterations ? And how many of the 2018 team are still on the panel?
It was 2013 AI 1/4 Final.
We were beaten out the gate by Dublin in 2017 but in the 2018 final the difference was 1-3.
GRMA. But what is the problem now ?
All 4 matches getting full coverage this weekend
Saturday
Armagh v Donegal, Athletic Grounds, 7.30pm - TG4 TV
Sunday
Tyrone v Kerry, Healy Park, 12.45pm - TG4 TV
Galway v Monaghan, Pearse Stadium, 12.45pm - TG4 App
Roscommon v Mayo, Dr Hyde Park, 2.45pm - TG4 TV
What no Derry v Dublin lol
Need keep them Dubs happy!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2023, 09:51:28 PM
What no Derry v Dublin lol
I did say the 4 fixtures in this Division. And yes Derry,Dublin should be Division 1 next year
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 02:23:29 PM
The only positive out of that game is that he has put two great performances back to back, long may it continue.
This got lost in the Armagh/Kerry chat, just reposted from yesterday, curious as to what the thoughts of the Mayo /Galway bloggers on the board.
To be fair "An Fhairche Abu", you have been one of the most educated and honest commentators on Galway football on this board.
However as a Mayoman, I believe you are viewing the glass as half empty.
Galway have played the league without a full team, Three starting forwards, have hardly played, one of them arguably the best in Ireland. The lack of any other scoring forwards options was their achilles heel last, as including added time they failed to score in the last 15 minuets of the all Ireland final.
They have also been down two backs, a bit easier to replace, but still have a very solid base, who aside from not challenging Clifford for the ridiculously easy marks in the final, showed themselves to be very adept.
In addition to the forwards which have had to step up, Peter Cooke is another who did not figure last year, should be a contributor this year.
Finally, how big of a motivator is hurt, revenge and knowing deep down that you were probably better than Kerry last year, yet walking away with nothing. IMO immeasurable.
I will go on record that I do feel Mayo or Galway will be in the All-Ireland final, at this point leaning towards Galway, who knows maybe both.
Honest - I would like to think so. Educated - in no way, shape or form, far more properly qualified GAA people on here and elsewhere. Glass half empty - that's my natural inclination I'm afraid.
Galway made a great run last year and there is no doubt left a very winnable final after us but that said, and in fairness to Kerry, Galway were ultimately found wanting in several respects and weren't good enough on the day to do the business. Hurt over losing a final and the experience of playing on the biggest day should be of benefit but that motivation will only carry a team so far. We have a number of players who are definitely in the top bracket but when you get to wider squad I don't know if we have the bench impact needed or whether we can hold up to many injuries at all. Molloy and Silke are huge losses from a squad perspective, O Laoi was the 16th man last year and is gone as well. Big turnover of players has killed Galway year after year and there is no change in 2023, Flaherty could have been expected to try and challenge for the number one jersey but has opted out.
All that said if you told me that Galway would get nothing out of the league (obviously outside of staying up) then sorting out the kick outs and being able to find players from restarts consistently down the stretch of matches then I'd be happy enough with it. Galway's current propensity to give up a load of scores in the final minutes of matches is directly traceable back to this, a sense of panic descends because once the opposition gets a run on the kickouts and starts getting points, Galway don't have the ability to pull a cast iron routine out of the bag that will nearly guarantee possession. Gleeson is limited on restarts and is making mistakes under high balls, if every punter in the stands can see this then the highly resourced modern coaching tickets will be targeting it. I'm sure trojan work is going on to try and improve this (it's not all on the keeper either) but it is what it is at the minute, something that will cost us. Realistically if Galway had excellent restarts and could secure enough possession on a consistent basis then we could have potentially been out the gap at HT in the final last year. That wasn't the case and it cost badly, it will do so again this year at some stage unless it improves.
The vagaries of the new format and the extra games make it hard to predict who will come out on top, suffice to say that the stronger squads will have an advantage. This is where I feel Galway may be a bit light, plus we have no natural replacement waiting in the wings for Paul Conroy who is still vital for Galway even at this stage of his career. I did not see the run Galway went on last year coming so we'll wait and see how this year plays out, we are not playing well in this league but championship performances are all that matter. It might be that the final appearance last year may prove to have been a Down 2010esque flash in the pan but it's up to the players to try and get back there in the next couple of seasons again.
While they are the front runners I don't see Kerry as unbeatable favourites (yet at least, they may kick on this summer to a new level, they have got over the hurdle now) and if Clifford gets injured they will be eminently beatable if a quality opponent shows up and plays to their best on the day. Dublin will surely go all out this year to get another before irreplaceable legends like McCarthy hang the boots up. Derry will look to go a stage better and Mayo playing to potential could absolutely make and win an AI final, sure they played in the two previous before last year and have blooded a lot of new players who might step up to replace the previous heroes that have departed over the past few years. It might be more open than people think, or perhaps we'll just end up with another Dublin Kerry final!!
Dublin and Kerry. Galway could end up playing both at the business end. Galway have never beaten Dublin in an all Ireland final.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1629979786679554049
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/24/new-calendar-means-kerrys-league-struggles-could-come-back-to-bite-them/
From last year's All-Ireland winning team, Kerry have lost David Moran to retirement and a couple of squad players in Joe O'Connor (injury) and Jack Savage (abroad). All Stars Shane Ryan and Gavin White are injured and David Clifford and Sean O'Shea only returned last weekend for a half. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are a bit away yet, not to mention they'll both turn 32 this year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces
Again, none of this would usually raise an eyebrow after three games of league football and most likely it still shouldn't. But if O'Connor has seemed a bit crankier than usual these past few weeks, it's not hard to work out why. Missing so many players for the start of the season was never ideal but he could at least hope to use the first three games to give himself options for the rest of the year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces. Tony Brosnan has been lively but he's a known quantity, he made his senior debut for Kerry in 2016. All in all, Kerry's championship team seems likely to be more or less the same as last year's. But that cast of characters was far more advanced this time last year than where it is now.
Will it be enough? Maybe. Would they be able to absorb a Clifford injury in June or July? Unlikely. Are we really, seriously, hypothesising this stuff before we're halfway through the league? Damn right we are.
The new championship body clock demands nothing less.
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2023, 08:24:11 AM
Dublin and Kerry. Galway could end up playing both at the business end. Galway have never beaten Dublin in an all Ireland final.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1629979786679554049
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/24/new-calendar-means-kerrys-league-struggles-could-come-back-to-bite-them/
From last year's All-Ireland winning team, Kerry have lost David Moran to retirement and a couple of squad players in Joe O'Connor (injury) and Jack Savage (abroad). All Stars Shane Ryan and Gavin White are injured and David Clifford and Sean O'Shea only returned last weekend for a half. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are a bit away yet, not to mention they'll both turn 32 this year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces
Again, none of this would usually raise an eyebrow after three games of league football and most likely it still shouldn't. But if O'Connor has seemed a bit crankier than usual these past few weeks, it's not hard to work out why. Missing so many players for the start of the season was never ideal but he could at least hope to use the first three games to give himself options for the rest of the year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces. Tony Brosnan has been lively but he's a known quantity, he made his senior debut for Kerry in 2016. All in all, Kerry's championship team seems likely to be more or less the same as last year's. But that cast of characters was far more advanced this time last year than where it is now.
Will it be enough? Maybe. Would they be able to absorb a Clifford injury in June or July? Unlikely. Are we really, seriously, hypothesising this stuff before we're halfway through the league? Damn right we are.
The new championship body clock demands nothing less.
If Kerry were to lose Clifford I think ourselves, Mayo and Galway would be well able to beat them and the other D1 teams would fancy themselves, Derry and Dublin likely beat them too.
This could work for Donegal in the last 3 matches
https://www.ria.ie/cathach-psalter-st-columba
In the later Middle Ages the Psalter was in the possession of the O'Donnells but in the custody of the Mac Robhartaigh family at Ballymagroarty, Co. Donegal. It became known as the Cathach' or 'Battler' from the O'Donnell practice of carrying it thrice right-hand-wise around the field of battle as a talisman.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2023, 08:24:11 AM
Dublin and Kerry. Galway could end up playing both at the business end. Galway have never beaten Dublin in an all Ireland final.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1629979786679554049
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/24/new-calendar-means-kerrys-league-struggles-could-come-back-to-bite-them/
From last year's All-Ireland winning team, Kerry have lost David Moran to retirement and a couple of squad players in Joe O'Connor (injury) and Jack Savage (abroad). All Stars Shane Ryan and Gavin White are injured and David Clifford and Sean O'Shea only returned last weekend for a half. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are a bit away yet, not to mention they'll both turn 32 this year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces
Again, none of this would usually raise an eyebrow after three games of league football and most likely it still shouldn't. But if O'Connor has seemed a bit crankier than usual these past few weeks, it's not hard to work out why. Missing so many players for the start of the season was never ideal but he could at least hope to use the first three games to give himself options for the rest of the year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces. Tony Brosnan has been lively but he's a known quantity, he made his senior debut for Kerry in 2016. All in all, Kerry's championship team seems likely to be more or less the same as last year's. But that cast of characters was far more advanced this time last year than where it is now.
Will it be enough? Maybe. Would they be able to absorb a Clifford injury in June or July? Unlikely. Are we really, seriously, hypothesising this stuff before we're halfway through the league? Damn right we are.
The new championship body clock demands nothing less.
If Kerry were to lose Clifford I think ourselves, Mayo and Galway would be well able to beat them and the other D1 teams would fancy themselves, Derry and Dublin likely beat them too.
I don't think Armagh are quite at the level you think they're at tbh. Galway also depend on Comer and Walsh coming back and Derry are still in division two so a bit to prove. Don't forget Kerry have the likes of Geaney and Brosnan then a younger O'Sullivan, who's first name escapes me, is making waves too. Kerry team to beat and tbh I wouldn't think it's an ulster team who would beat them. Mayo could maybe challenge them in a semi final or earlier round. Galway I am not so sure about - they have lost Molloy and Silke and who knows when Walsh is back.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2023, 02:23:29 PM
The only positive out of that game is that he has put two great performances back to back, long may it continue.
This got lost in the Armagh/Kerry chat, just reposted from yesterday, curious as to what the thoughts of the Mayo /Galway bloggers on the board.
To be fair "An Fhairche Abu", you have been one of the most educated and honest commentators on Galway football on this board.
However as a Mayoman, I believe you are viewing the glass as half empty.
Galway have played the league without a full team, Three starting forwards, have hardly played, one of them arguably the best in Ireland. The lack of any other scoring forwards options was their achilles heel last, as including added time they failed to score in the last 15 minuets of the all Ireland final.
They have also been down two backs, a bit easier to replace, but still have a very solid base, who aside from not challenging Clifford for the ridiculously easy marks in the final, showed themselves to be very adept.
In addition to the forwards which have had to step up, Peter Cooke is another who did not figure last year, should be a contributor this year.
Finally, how big of a motivator is hurt, revenge and knowing deep down that you were probably better than Kerry last year, yet walking away with nothing. IMO immeasurable.
I will go on record that I do feel Mayo or Galway will be in the All-Ireland final, at this point leaning towards Galway, who knows maybe both.
Honest - I would like to think so. Educated - in no way, shape or form, far more properly qualified GAA people on here and elsewhere. Glass half empty - that's my natural inclination I'm afraid.
Galway made a great run last year and there is no doubt left a very winnable final after us but that said, and in fairness to Kerry, Galway were ultimately found wanting in several respects and weren't good enough on the day to do the business. Hurt over losing a final and the experience of playing on the biggest day should be of benefit but that motivation will only carry a team so far. We have a number of players who are definitely in the top bracket but when you get to wider squad I don't know if we have the bench impact needed or whether we can hold up to many injuries at all. Molloy and Silke are huge losses from a squad perspective, O Laoi was the 16th man last year and is gone as well. Big turnover of players has killed Galway year after year and there is no change in 2023, Flaherty could have been expected to try and challenge for the number one jersey but has opted out.
All that said if you told me that Galway would get nothing out of the league (obviously outside of staying up) then sorting out the kick outs and being able to find players from restarts consistently down the stretch of matches then I'd be happy enough with it. Galway's current propensity to give up a load of scores in the final minutes of matches is directly traceable back to this, a sense of panic descends because once the opposition gets a run on the kickouts and starts getting points, Galway don't have the ability to pull a cast iron routine out of the bag that will nearly guarantee possession. Gleeson is limited on restarts and is making mistakes under high balls, if every punter in the stands can see this then the highly resourced modern coaching tickets will be targeting it. I'm sure trojan work is going on to try and improve this (it's not all on the keeper either) but it is what it is at the minute, something that will cost us. Realistically if Galway had excellent restarts and could secure enough possession on a consistent basis then we could have potentially been out the gap at HT in the final last year. That wasn't the case and it cost badly, it will do so again this year at some stage unless it improves.
The vagaries of the new format and the extra games make it hard to predict who will come out on top, suffice to say that the stronger squads will have an advantage. This is where I feel Galway may be a bit light, plus we have no natural replacement waiting in the wings for Paul Conroy who is still vital for Galway even at this stage of his career. I did not see the run Galway went on last year coming so we'll wait and see how this year plays out, we are not playing well in this league but championship performances are all that matter. It might be that the final appearance last year may prove to have been a Down 2010esque flash in the pan but it's up to the players to try and get back there in the next couple of seasons again.
While they are the front runners I don't see Kerry as unbeatable favourites (yet at least, they may kick on this summer to a new level, they have got over the hurdle now) and if Clifford gets injured they will be eminently beatable if a quality opponent shows up and plays to their best on the day. Dublin will surely go all out this year to get another before irreplaceable legends like McCarthy hang the boots up. Derry will look to go a stage better and Mayo playing to potential could absolutely make and win an AI final, sure they played in the two previous before last year and have blooded a lot of new players who might step up to replace the previous heroes that have departed over the past few years. It might be more open than people think, or perhaps we'll just end up with another Dublin Kerry final!!
Good post.100% on the money re the kick outs being the source of those late failings.
We just can't secure our own ball easily and that is magnified when a team gets a run on us and pushes right up.
I think there's 4 teams capable of winning it out. Kerry are clearly a very good team but are beatable.
Dublin are clearly not the team they were but are capable of beating anyone if they click.
Derry and Mayo the other two contenders in my opinion.
I don't think any of the other teams can win it.
As for Galway I think we're capable of beating most teams on our day - but I'm not sure we have the consistency or squad depth to go all the way.
Silke and Molloy absences and the ongoing kickout woes make it hard to make a case for Galway as potential AI champs.
We live in hope though and maybe it will all click come championship who knows.
You need a new keeper. I mean no offense to the fella but in big games you won't win unless you get a much more reliable one.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 28, 2023, 09:11:46 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2023, 08:24:11 AM
Dublin and Kerry. Galway could end up playing both at the business end. Galway have never beaten Dublin in an all Ireland final.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1629979786679554049
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/24/new-calendar-means-kerrys-league-struggles-could-come-back-to-bite-them/
From last year's All-Ireland winning team, Kerry have lost David Moran to retirement and a couple of squad players in Joe O'Connor (injury) and Jack Savage (abroad). All Stars Shane Ryan and Gavin White are injured and David Clifford and Sean O'Shea only returned last weekend for a half. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are a bit away yet, not to mention they'll both turn 32 this year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces
Again, none of this would usually raise an eyebrow after three games of league football and most likely it still shouldn't. But if O'Connor has seemed a bit crankier than usual these past few weeks, it's not hard to work out why. Missing so many players for the start of the season was never ideal but he could at least hope to use the first three games to give himself options for the rest of the year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces. Tony Brosnan has been lively but he's a known quantity, he made his senior debut for Kerry in 2016. All in all, Kerry's championship team seems likely to be more or less the same as last year's. But that cast of characters was far more advanced this time last year than where it is now.
Will it be enough? Maybe. Would they be able to absorb a Clifford injury in June or July? Unlikely. Are we really, seriously, hypothesising this stuff before we're halfway through the league? Damn right we are.
The new championship body clock demands nothing less.
If Kerry were to lose Clifford I think ourselves, Mayo and Galway would be well able to beat them and the other D1 teams would fancy themselves, Derry and Dublin likely beat them too.
I don't think Armagh are quite at the level you think they're at tbh. Galway also depend on Comer and Walsh coming back and Derry are still in division two so a bit to prove. Don't forget Kerry have the likes of Geaney and Brosnan then a younger O'Sullivan, who's first name escapes me, is making waves too. Kerry team to beat and tbh I wouldn't think it's an ulster team who would beat them. Mayo could maybe challenge them in a semi final or earlier round. Galway I am not so sure about - they have lost Molloy and Silke and who knows when Walsh is back.
Yeah without a doubt Kerry still the team to beat- but hypothetically a Clifford injury would bring them right back to the pack with most of division one not a million miles away from each other- Tyrone have looked woeful but there will be a kick in them come championship time you'd imagine. Dublin haven't looked like world beaters either but it is only the league- they're still the team with the best chance of beating Kerry.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 28, 2023, 09:26:48 AM
You need a new keeper. I mean no offense to the fella but in big games you won't win unless you get a much more reliable one.
Can't argue with you on that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2023, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 28, 2023, 09:11:46 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 28, 2023, 08:24:11 AM
Dublin and Kerry. Galway could end up playing both at the business end. Galway have never beaten Dublin in an all Ireland final.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1629979786679554049
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/02/24/new-calendar-means-kerrys-league-struggles-could-come-back-to-bite-them/
From last year's All-Ireland winning team, Kerry have lost David Moran to retirement and a couple of squad players in Joe O'Connor (injury) and Jack Savage (abroad). All Stars Shane Ryan and Gavin White are injured and David Clifford and Sean O'Shea only returned last weekend for a half. Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Brien are a bit away yet, not to mention they'll both turn 32 this year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces
Again, none of this would usually raise an eyebrow after three games of league football and most likely it still shouldn't. But if O'Connor has seemed a bit crankier than usual these past few weeks, it's not hard to work out why. Missing so many players for the start of the season was never ideal but he could at least hope to use the first three games to give himself options for the rest of the year.
Yet who has staked their claim? Barry O'Sullivan around the middle third maybe. Darragh Roche has done his bit but he's a tip-of-the-spear type of forward and there is no vacancy in that position for Kerry as long as Clifford can tie his laces. Tony Brosnan has been lively but he's a known quantity, he made his senior debut for Kerry in 2016. All in all, Kerry's championship team seems likely to be more or less the same as last year's. But that cast of characters was far more advanced this time last year than where it is now.
Will it be enough? Maybe. Would they be able to absorb a Clifford injury in June or July? Unlikely. Are we really, seriously, hypothesising this stuff before we're halfway through the league? Damn right we are.
The new championship body clock demands nothing less.
If Kerry were to lose Clifford I think ourselves, Mayo and Galway would be well able to beat them and the other D1 teams would fancy themselves, Derry and Dublin likely beat them too.
I don't think Armagh are quite at the level you think they're at tbh. Galway also depend on Comer and Walsh coming back and Derry are still in division two so a bit to prove. Don't forget Kerry have the likes of Geaney and Brosnan then a younger O'Sullivan, who's first name escapes me, is making waves too. Kerry team to beat and tbh I wouldn't think it's an ulster team who would beat them. Mayo could maybe challenge them in a semi final or earlier round. Galway I am not so sure about - they have lost Molloy and Silke and who knows when Walsh is back.
Yeah without a doubt Kerry still the team to beat- but hypothetically a Clifford injury would bring them right back to the pack with most of division one not a million miles away from each other- Tyrone have looked woeful but there will be a kick in them come championship time you'd imagine. Dublin haven't looked like world beaters either but it is only the league- they're still the team with the best chance of beating Kerry.
Yeah Dublin for me are the only one with the players to potentially beat them. Mayo might have a chance but not in the final. Galway dropping off for me and Tyrone might have the players to be up there but they look a long way off at the minute.
Armagh have been poor this year in general with the odd spurt of good play but nothing of good consistency. They had done well to contain Kerry to a certain point and there were points where you could have said "if we'd scored that point" or "if we hadn't have fouled there" but if you look at it again DC kicked 4-5 bad wides against Armagh that he'd normally kick for fun and Kerry may well have pulled away from Armagh handy enough if DC had been on form. We played for 10 mins against Monaghan and 10 mins against Mayo. The Roscommon game was a decent first half and when expected to kick on in the second half we never came out for the second half at all and the Rossies ended up easy winners.
It's my opinion if we lose against Donegal on Sat night we'll be relegated as I only see Galway getting stronger and if we need to go to Omagh needing 2 points then we're in trouble. It is still February (just about) and I'm not hitting the panic button just yet; we don't know what KMcG's plan is for the summer, we may be trying to peak later this year. We may have a few key players carrying knocks or a minor injury we don't know about but what I do know is we are struggling around the middle of the field and if we can get an injury or two cleared up or unearth a gem for that position, we'd be a lot better team. Teams have us sussed by pushing up on our kickout and making us kick it long where the generally have the stronger mid field.
Quote from: illdecide on February 28, 2023, 09:41:42 AM
Armagh have been poor this year in general with the odd spurt of good play but nothing of good consistency. They had done well to contain Kerry to a certain point and there were points where you could have said "if we'd scored that point" or "if we hadn't have fouled there" but if you look at it again DC kicked 4-5 bad wides against Armagh that he'd normally kick for fun and Kerry may well have pulled away from Armagh handy enough if DC had been on form. We played for 10 mins against Monaghan and 10 mins against Mayo. The Roscommon game was a decent first half and when expected to kick on in the second half we never came out for the second half at all and the Rossies ended up easy winners.
It's my opinion if we lose against Donegal on Sat night we'll be relegated as I only see Galway getting stronger and if we need to go to Omagh needing 2 points then we're in trouble. It is still February (just about) and I'm not hitting the panic button just yet; we don't know what KMcG's plan is for the summer, we may be trying to peak later this year. We may have a few key players carrying knocks or a minor injury we don't know about but what I do know is we are struggling around the middle of the field and if we can get an injury or two cleared up or unearth a gem for that position, we'd be a lot better team. Teams have us sussed by pushing up on our kickout and making us kick it long where the generally have the stronger mid field.
Kind of hoping we're aiming at peaking later on and just doing enough to stay up. I'd say the Roscommon game was one we had banked on winning but obviously didn't go to plan. 2 massive home games coming up now- 2 wins would have us sitting lovely.
With only 4 points between 1st and 8th after 4 Rounds Div 1 is all to play for at both ends.
Anything could happen from here on.
We're not looking so hot now after Clones and may yet be thankful for the 3 early wins from a head to head point of view.
Mayowestros and Kerry most likely to reach the Final if they really want to but nearly any team hitting form now could make it.
Some say the NFL is the GAA'S best competition format. Hard to prove them wrong.
You look at division 1 relegation, division 2 relegation, the 2nd division 3 promotion spot, who gets promoted from division 4. It really is very interesting across the board. You'd imagine Cavan, Derry and Dublin have 3 promotion spots and the rest are up for grabs but even that could change. Tbh I don't think the top of division 1 matters as much - staying in it is the key thing.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 28, 2023, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: illdecide on February 28, 2023, 09:41:42 AM
Armagh have been poor this year in general with the odd spurt of good play but nothing of good consistency. They had done well to contain Kerry to a certain point and there were points where you could have said "if we'd scored that point" or "if we hadn't have fouled there" but if you look at it again DC kicked 4-5 bad wides against Armagh that he'd normally kick for fun and Kerry may well have pulled away from Armagh handy enough if DC had been on form. We played for 10 mins against Monaghan and 10 mins against Mayo. The Roscommon game was a decent first half and when expected to kick on in the second half we never came out for the second half at all and the Rossies ended up easy winners.
It's my opinion if we lose against Donegal on Sat night we'll be relegated as I only see Galway getting stronger and if we need to go to Omagh needing 2 points then we're in trouble. It is still February (just about) and I'm not hitting the panic button just yet; we don't know what KMcG's plan is for the summer, we may be trying to peak later this year. We may have a few key players carrying knocks or a minor injury we don't know about but what I do know is we are struggling around the middle of the field and if we can get an injury or two cleared up or unearth a gem for that position, we'd be a lot better team. Teams have us sussed by pushing up on our kickout and making us kick it long where the generally have the stronger mid field.
Kind of hoping we're aiming at peaking later on and just doing enough to stay up. I'd say the Roscommon game was one we had banked on winning but obviously didn't go to plan. 2 massive home games coming up now- 2 wins would have us sitting lovely.
We need to win at least one of those 2 home matches and I'm not sure one win would guarantee safety the way everybody is beating each other. Donegal for example have Mayo and Roscommon in their last 2 fixtures and normally you would say they would struggle against those 2 sides whereas now that they are both probably safe on 6 points, they could benefit from that. Armagh have 3 dogfights coming up and ideally we would go into the Omagh fixture already safe. It could quite easily come down to head to head results also.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 28, 2023, 10:55:19 AM
You look at division 1 relegation, division 2 relegation, the 2nd division 3 promotion spot, who gets promoted from division 4. It really is very interesting across the board. You'd imagine Cavan, Derry and Dublin have 3 promotion spots and the rest are up for grabs but even that could change. Tbh I don't think the top of division 1 matters as much - staying in it is the key thing.
Yeah Mayo and Roscommon especially won't be too worried about a league final since they play each other the following week in a big game. Kerry would probably like a decent game to get more miles in the legs since they'll not have another competitive game until the AIQF or even semi draw dependent.
Bottom line for Armagh is home wins against both Donegal and Galway, anything less and we're in bother. Athletic Grounds should be rockin' on Saturday night!
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 11:25:17 AM
Bottom line for Armagh is home wins against both Donegal and Galway, anything less and we're in bother. Athletic Grounds should be rockin' on Saturday night!
Absolutely. Said it at the start of the year would love us to go to Omagh safe and with a chance to relegate themmuns. Really looking forward to Saturday.
Home form has proved a difference in Division 1 thus far
16 games
Homes wins 11
Away wins 2
Draws 3
Jack O'Connor has never done the follow on. The motivation required is different.
And Kerry are nothing special in the big picture. They learnt the hard way via ritual humiliations by the Dubs.
It's amazing really that Clifford only has 1 all Ireland.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 28, 2023, 05:32:46 PM
Home form has proved a difference in Division 1 thus far
16 games
Homes wins 11
Away wins 2
Draws 3
Last two times we were relegated (2013 and 2018), we had three home and four away games.
Likely same result this time out.
It would be interesting to see how often teams with four home games are relegated.
I'd imagine it could be the deciding factor between teams of a similar standard.
Quote from: J70 on February 28, 2023, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 28, 2023, 05:32:46 PM
Home form has proved a difference in Division 1 thus far
16 games
Homes wins 11
Away wins 2
Draws 3
Last two times we were relegated (2013 and 2018), we had three home and four away games.
Likely same result this time out.
It would be interesting to see how often teams with four home games are relegated.
I'd imagine it could be the deciding factor between teams of a similar standard.
The home/away thing is important, and Donegal are hard to beat at home. But it also makes a difference if you meet a a team early on or later. Donegal got one over on Kerry, that might not be possible now, but they might meet a disinterested Connacht team in the late round and get something out of that, they likely couldn't have beaten the Rossies in the first couple of rounds.
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
Just play the last round at neutral venues.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
If it was a 14 game League ,what type of Championship would it be? Teams are guaranteed to play 5 games in the Championship this year with the new system. Split season won't be changed.
The AFl is played as home and away 22 games March to September. But that is their focus. Gaa players have club games too.
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 28, 2023, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
If it was a 14 game League ,what type of Championship would it be? Teams are guaranteed to play 5 games in the Championship this year with the new system. Split season won't be changed.
The AFl is played as home and away 22 games March to September. But that is their focus. Gaa players have club games too.
Would love to see an AFL type system with a league and then finals. Every game would mean so much more.
The problem is the AFL has equalisation which (in theory anyways) allows for every team making the finals when it reaches their 'turn' on the cycle. That wouldn't be possible in GAA so you would have counties that never get there.
The teams that are up/down between divisions would spend a lot of years finishing bottom half of the division and no finals games.
So we need to take the pros (more games at similar level, meaningful games leading into finals) and try and plan out the cons (mismatch / equalisation / min number of games)
Most of the Galway posters on here are naturally a bit pessimistic or as I'd like to call it realism; Under a normal championship I'd very worried with Walsh missing so much of the league and with Comer injured too (always takes him a good few games to get 100% fit) but this year is different but Galway (any other County) could win only 1 of their first 4 championship games this summer and find themselves in a preliminary quarter final.
If Galway had Shane Walsh since the start of the league its not unrealistic to think they'd have 4 wins on the board given the closeness of the loss and those 2 draws, no doubt they'd have lots of smoke blown up their hole from the media so if Galway can avoid relegation without Walsh & Comer there'll be positives to take from it.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 01, 2023, 10:47:03 AM
Most of the Galway posters on here are naturally a bit pessimistic or as I'd like to call it realism; Under a normal championship I'd very worried with Walsh missing so much of the league and with Comer injured too (always takes him a good few games to get 100% fit) but this year is different but Galway (any other County) could win only 1 of their first 4 championship games this summer and find themselves in a preliminary quarter final.
If Galway had Shane Walsh since the start of the league its not unrealistic to think they'd have 4 wins on the board given the closeness of the loss and those 2 draws, no doubt they'd have lots of smoke blown up their hole from the media so if Galway can avoid relegation without Walsh & Comer there'll be positives to take from it.
Is there any danger of either of the 2 lads being back when ye come to Armagh? Massive boost to us if not.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 01, 2023, 10:47:03 AM
Most of the Galway posters on here are naturally a bit pessimistic or as I'd like to call it realism; Under a normal championship I'd very worried with Walsh missing so much of the league and with Comer injured too (always takes him a good few games to get 100% fit) but this year is different but Galway (any other County) could win only 1 of their first 4 championship games this summer and find themselves in a preliminary quarter final.
If Galway had Shane Walsh since the start of the league its not unrealistic to think they'd have 4 wins on the board given the closeness of the loss and those 2 draws, no doubt they'd have lots of smoke blown up their hole from the media so if Galway can avoid relegation without Walsh & Comer there'll be positives to take from it.
Considering the missing players form to date has been reasonable
Any word/update from Armagh on 5 starters from last year who didnt play v Kerry?
Nugent / Grugan / Crealey / Sheridan / Morgan
Quote from: 5times5times on March 01, 2023, 12:34:30 PM
Any word/update from Armagh on 5 starters from last year who didnt play v Kerry?
Nugent / Grugan / Crealey / Sheridan / Morgan
Crealy is longer term may not see much of him all year. Not heard about the others tbh.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 01, 2023, 12:34:30 PM
Any word/update from Armagh on 5 starters from last year who didnt play v Kerry?
Nugent / Grugan / Crealey / Sheridan / Morgan
Morgan and grugan have hamstring injuries
Not sure about other two
Conor O'Neill going to be out for a while as well with injury picked up vs Kerry.
Add to Oisin O'Neill, Shields and Ciaran O'Hanlon all out longer term as well and it's seriously frustrating!
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 01, 2023, 01:11:52 PM
Conor O'Neill going to be out for a while as well with injury picked up vs Kerry.
Add to Oisin O'Neill, Shields and Ciaran O'Hanlon all out longer term as well and it's seriously frustrating!
Especially with the all Ireland starting so soon after
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 01, 2023, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 01, 2023, 12:34:30 PM
Any word/update from Armagh on 5 starters from last year who didnt play v Kerry?
Nugent / Grugan / Crealey / Sheridan / Morgan
Crealy is longer term may not see much of him all year. Not heard about the others tbh.
Not too sure about that, don't think he's too far off a return
I don't believe Morgan has played for Armagh this year, if he's a hamstring it must be a bad one to keep him out this length of time. R Grugan hasn't been great this year and maybe he'd something wearing on him as he's usally consistantly good. If Oisin O'Neill has achilles tendon trouble he'll be out for some time as it's a difficult one to come back from. Haven't heard a thing about O'Hanlon or shields TBH.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
I would play league from beginning of season to end of season like in soccer. Something like 14 games home and away or maybe a three division league of 11 teams playing each other once. Put the championship on in between on designated weekends like the FA Cup. Straight knockout championship. End of the season is AI final a couple of weeks after leagues end.
The league is good but could be better. Too many teams with different agendas. Eg Kerry not near ready for start of league. End of league sees teams start to turn eye to championship if their league position allows.
Play it the whole season alongside championship so teams can't be going at different paces depending on their province/championship plan. It should be a great competition not tainted by shadow boxing. And keep the fckn championship do or die, white heat, all on the line. Less of this complicated nonsense where they are trying to crowbar more games in that often are not 'championship ' in flavour at all.
Quote from: Ringfort on March 01, 2023, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
I would play league from beginning of season to end of season like in soccer. Something like 14 games home and away or maybe a three division league of 11 teams playing each other once. Put the championship on in between on designated weekends like the FA Cup. Straight knockout championship. End of the season is AI final a couple of weeks after leagues end.
The league is good but could be better. Too many teams with different agendas. Eg Kerry not near ready for start of league. End of league sees teams start to turn eye to championship if their league position allows.
Play it the whole season alongside championship so teams can't be going at different paces depending on their province/championship plan. It should be a great competition not tainted by shadow boxing. And keep the fckn championship do or die, white heat, all on the line. Less of this complicated nonsense where they are trying to crowbar more games in that often are not 'championship ' in flavour at all.
Jez, these are AMATEURS who also give time to their club. 14 League games are you having a laugh?
They are training flat out from October to end of summer and living in gyms. It's bullsht. Lads want games not training. 14 league games plus max 5 if you get to AI final is hardly punishment over the course of a season.
Intercounty players only go back to their clubs for county championship by and large. That should be straight knockout too by the way. With an extended league campaign for the so called ordinary club player while their county panel colleague is away on the national stage.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 01, 2023, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on March 01, 2023, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
I would play league from beginning of season to end of season like in soccer. Something like 14 games home and away or maybe a three division league of 11 teams playing each other once. Put the championship on in between on designated weekends like the FA Cup. Straight knockout championship. End of the season is AI final a couple of weeks after leagues end.
The league is good but could be better. Too many teams with different agendas. Eg Kerry not near ready for start of league. End of league sees teams start to turn eye to championship if their league position allows.
Play it the whole season alongside championship so teams can't be going at different paces depending on their province/championship plan. It should be a great competition not tainted by shadow boxing. And keep the fckn championship do or die, white heat, all on the line. Less of this complicated nonsense where they are trying to crowbar more games in that often are not 'championship ' in flavour at all.
Jez, these are AMATEURS who also give time to their club. 14 League games are you having a laugh?
Irish basketball players are amateurs and train just as often as Gaelic Footballers and they have a 26 game league season, which doesn't include play-off games or Cup games.
The AIL rugby is 18 games (before play-offs and cups), The LOI 1st Division which is mainly amateur is 36 games. Again both train just as much as gaelic football teams.
14 league games doesn't seem too far fetched for Gaelic Footballers.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 02, 2023, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 01, 2023, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on March 01, 2023, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
I would play league from beginning of season to end of season like in soccer. Something like 14 games home and away or maybe a three division league of 11 teams playing each other once. Put the championship on in between on designated weekends like the FA Cup. Straight knockout championship. End of the season is AI final a couple of weeks after leagues end.
The league is good but could be better. Too many teams with different agendas. Eg Kerry not near ready for start of league. End of league sees teams start to turn eye to championship if their league position allows.
Play it the whole season alongside championship so teams can't be going at different paces depending on their province/championship plan. It should be a great competition not tainted by shadow boxing. And keep the fckn championship do or die, white heat, all on the line. Less of this complicated nonsense where they are trying to crowbar more games in that often are not 'championship ' in flavour at all.
Jez, these are AMATEURS who also give time to their club. 14 League games are you having a laugh?
Irish basketball players are amateurs and train just as often as Gaelic Footballers and they have a 26 game league season, which doesn't include play-off games or Cup games.
The AIL rugby is 18 games (before play-offs and cups), The LOI 1st Division which is mainly amateur is 36 games. Again both train just as much as gaelic football teams.
14 league games doesn't seem too far fetched for Gaelic Footballers.
It's a big ask to get 14 league games plus x amount of championship games played, then go back to play club football. That's not counting college football as well.
Love the idea in theory but not sure if it works!
14 County games plus Club and maybe Colleges.
Not counting pre season tourneys a County team will have minimum 11 games this year and a possible max of 19 games.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 02, 2023, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 02, 2023, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 01, 2023, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on March 01, 2023, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2023, 08:47:46 PM
McGeeney made an interesting suggestion a few weeks ago ref. the league being a great competition, said he'd love to see it in a home and away format with 14 games. That would be some league in fairness, though the calendar couldn't accommodate it as it currently stands.
I would play league from beginning of season to end of season like in soccer. Something like 14 games home and away or maybe a three division league of 11 teams playing each other once. Put the championship on in between on designated weekends like the FA Cup. Straight knockout championship. End of the season is AI final a couple of weeks after leagues end.
The league is good but could be better. Too many teams with different agendas. Eg Kerry not near ready for start of league. End of league sees teams start to turn eye to championship if their league position allows.
Play it the whole season alongside championship so teams can't be going at different paces depending on their province/championship plan. It should be a great competition not tainted by shadow boxing. And keep the fckn championship do or die, white heat, all on the line. Less of this complicated nonsense where they are trying to crowbar more games in that often are not 'championship ' in flavour at all.
Jez, these are AMATEURS who also give time to their club. 14 League games are you having a laugh?
Irish basketball players are amateurs and train just as often as Gaelic Footballers and they have a 26 game league season, which doesn't include play-off games or Cup games.
The AIL rugby is 18 games (before play-offs and cups), The LOI 1st Division which is mainly amateur is 36 games. Again both train just as much as gaelic football teams.
14 league games doesn't seem too far fetched for Gaelic Footballers.
It's a big ask to get 14 league games plus x amount of championship games played, then go back to play club football. That's not counting college football as well.
Love the idea in theory but not sure if it works!
Will never happen, but the excuse that it's too much for a poor amateur doesn't hold when you consider an amateur LOI 1st Div player plays 40+ games a season, which is far more than a Gaelic Football player even throwing in Club and College games.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/02/ciaran-murphy-dublin-have-the-players-to-destroy-teams-but-their-winning-aura-has-dissipated-into-thin-air/
After the defeat by Donegal in 2014, Dublin spent a long hard winter of introspection, and came out in 2015 with an entirely new way of playing. They played the most thrilling football of the century in 2013 and 2014, but they vowed never to concede 3-14 in a championship game again, as they did to Donegal that day.
The change brought them success on a scale never before seen in the GAA – six All-Ireland championships in a row. Weaning themselves off the methods that brought that level of success is necessarily difficult.
Football seemed stuck, but now more and more teams are embracing a less risk-averse version of the game, and it's Dublin who are stuck. Their ideology can be pretty easily summed up – they don't kick the ball out long to Brian Fenton at midfield, and they don't kick the ball long into Con O'Callaghan at full forward.
Lumping it long is not so much a tactic from before this Dublin team, as it is something from before the 1990s, but within this rather simplified version is a fair degree of truth. The Dublin players are now so conditioned to hold on to the ball that the idea of rolling the dice and kicking contestable balls for the opportunity to win big match-defining moments appears to be anathema to them.
But watching Mayo and Armagh mix up their games so thrillingly this spring, watching Galway and Kerry rolling the dice and being happy to win 60 per cent of their own kick-outs if it moves them into the right area of the field, the thought occurs that Dublin have stood still. And if they don't experiment in Division Two, there's hardly any chance we'll see change come championship.
Tyrone in crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE
Quote from: seafoid on March 02, 2023, 08:36:41 PM
Tyrone in crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE
Be wary of them hoors. They were in crisis this time 2 years ago shipping 6 goals against Kerry!!
Armagh
"Can't close out games.
Can't beat teams above their level.
Collective defending is shite"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1530s
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Surely not ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:04:08 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Surely not ?
No chance of it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:04:08 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Surely not ?
1. It's in Omagh
2. Tyrone often wake up in Round 4 per Declan Bogue, eg last year
looking at the fixtures Roscommon may need something from their last game to stay up
could see galway and armagh getting to at least 6
and donegal sitting on 5 for alst gme of the season
this weekend will tell a tale though
It's all to play for yet with only 4 points between 1st and 8th.
Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2023, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:04:08 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Surely not ?
1. It's in Omagh
2. Tyrone often wake up in Round 4 per Declan Bogue, eg last year
Hopefully not. They have looked a pure shambles so far but as I said earlier never write the feckers off. I don't want us needing 2 points in Omagh on the last day that's for sure!
Quote from: Rossfan on March 03, 2023, 11:38:36 AM
It's all to play for yet with only 4 points between 1st and 8th.
Absolutely. If Roscommon were to lose their next 2 (entirely possible) they'd be looking at relegation despite their excellent start. Too early to be looking at permutations yet though, this weekend will tell a tale though.
6 pts was the safe zone 14 out of the last 15 years. This year could be different with potentially 7pts needed to 100% guarantee safety. This weekend will tell a story.
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2023, 11:34:46 AM
looking at the fixtures Roscommon may need something from their last game to stay up
could see galway and armagh getting to at least 6
and donegal sitting on 5 for alst gme of the season
this weekend will tell a tale though
Ros just need 1 point from 3 matches.
Donegal haven't proven that they can be consistent.
There seem to be question marks over the ability of both Armagh and Derry to kick on due to issues in the backs. Say this is the case . Which 2 team would possibly replace them in 2 or 3 years? Would Down be in with a shout ?
Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2023, 01:31:31 PM
There seem to be question marks over the ability of both Armagh and Derry to kick on due to issues in the backs. Say this is the case . Which 2 team would possibly replace them in 2 or 3 years? Would Down be in with a shout ?
Down havnt been great at underage for quite some time. With the population they have at their disposal they should be doing far better. New management have given them a real bounce, and id expect them to continue to improve. But even an Ulster title within that timeframe seems fanciful.
Derry have a good youngish side at the moment. Their underage has been good, particularly the schools in the last 4 to 5 years suggest they are not going away. There is more to come. Calum Brown will likely be back soon in the oak leaf jersey in that timeframe. Derry are in a position now where you only want to add 1 or 2 each year
Id also be fairly bullish that my own County wont be away for too long. There are no guarantees with youthful prospects, but Tyrone look to have a really strong hand coming down the tracks.
Walsh back for Galway?
Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2023, 01:31:31 PM
There seem to be question marks over the ability of both Armagh and Derry to kick on due to issues in the backs. Say this is the case . Which 2 team would possibly replace them in 2 or 3 years? Would Down be in with a shout ?
Issues in Derry's defence? It has been excellent for a few years.
Quote from: Mario on March 03, 2023, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2023, 01:31:31 PM
There seem to be question marks over the ability of both Armagh and Derry to kick on due to issues in the backs. Say this is the case . Which 2 team would possibly replace them in 2 or 3 years? Would Down be in with a shout ?
Issues in Derry's defence? It has been excellent for a few years.
Usually their forwards that are questioned.
We seem to only be able to do one thing at a time. Defensively solid last week but no forward threat- usually we can shoot the lights out but leave ourselves too open. Yet to find the balance
Quote from: Mario on March 03, 2023, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2023, 01:31:31 PM
There seem to be question marks over the ability of both Armagh and Derry to kick on due to issues in the backs. Say this is the case . Which 2 team would possibly replace them in 2 or 3 years? Would Down be in with a shout ?
Issues in Derry's defence? It has been excellent for a few years.
Not Division 2 or 3 or Ulster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1670s
At a higher level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shuY0iYJzao
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
You must be expecting open contests?
Donegal have been scoring 12 points per game average, then against Armagh who tends to give gifts to the opposition who knows. Armagh will be in a serious dog fight to avoid relegation if this match is not won.
Will be a surprise to see Tyrone who scored 1 goal in 4 games to score two against Kerry. The Cliffords,O'Sheas should have plenty of joy if Tyrone defend as poorly as they did against Mayo.
Galway v Monaghan probably a cagey low scoring affair. A match Monaghan can win if they can sharpen up on their shooting.
Probably right on the Roscommon v Mayo game
While obviously hoping Armagh win 2moro night I think it smells of a draw (15/2 with Bookies). It's the sort of game we regularly contrive to balls up
Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
While obviously hoping Armagh win 2moro night I think it smells of a draw (15/2 with Bookies). It's the sort of game we regularly contrive to balls up
Armagh needs to push on for this one, ballsing up needs to end. Last week's performance wasn't bad, slightly cooler heads would have brought us a draw. Donegal are not as good as Kerry and we are at home and we need to make it count.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 03, 2023, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
While obviously hoping Armagh win 2moro night I think it smells of a draw (15/2 with Bookies). It's the sort of game we regularly contrive to balls up
Armagh needs to push on for this one, ballsing up needs to end. Last week's performance wasn't bad, slightly cooler heads would have brought us a draw. Donegal are not as good as Kerry and we are at home and we need to make it count.
We did not get any points against Kerry whilst Donegal did. We can discuss the ins and outs of it but Donegal are not going to be as easy as some might think. We have beat them once in about 10 years.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Walsh back for Galway?
Rumoured but the team and subs will be named tonight so we'll see shortly enough.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 03, 2023, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Walsh back for Galway?
Rumoured but the team and subs will be named tonight so we'll see shortly enough.
Can imagine if he's back it will be training for the next few weeks and then named on the 26 for round 6 on March 18th.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 03, 2023, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Walsh back for Galway?
Rumoured but the team and subs will be named tonight so we'll see shortly enough.
Bad news for us, Galway game just got a fair bit tougher if he's back. His mate Morgan is injured too so not sure how we stop him
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 03, 2023, 05:34:51 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 03, 2023, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Walsh back for Galway?
Rumoured but the team and subs will be named tonight so we'll see shortly enough.
Can imagine if he's back it will be training for the next few weeks and then named on the 26 for round 6 on March 18th.
I would think this most likely but could see him there as a last resort bench option for Sunday even if he's only off the plane.
Galway are finding it hard to get scores and simply have to win this match Sunday to ensure we stay up.
Would love to see Walsh lining out in the Athletic Grounds on March 18th, full house, one of Ireland's top players on view plus Walsh, will be some spectacle :D
Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2023, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 11:04:08 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Surely not ?
1. It's in Omagh
2. Tyrone often wake up in Round 4 per Declan Bogue, eg last year
Declan Bogue is a self-professed Tyrone fan, it's probably not wise to take what he's saying at face value.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 03, 2023, 08:09:52 PM
Would love to see Walsh lining out in the Athletic Grounds on March 18th, full house, one of Ireland's top players on view plus Walsh, will be some spectacle :D
Only if Morgan fit
Never mind Katie Taylor at croke
Wouldn't mind seeing round 2 of those two under lights
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 03, 2023, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
Walsh back for Galway?
Rumoured but the team and subs will be named tonight so we'll see shortly enough.
Or not as the case may be, no subs named for the first time this year.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 03, 2023, 08:09:52 PM
Would love to see Walsh lining out in the Athletic Grounds on March 18th, full house, one of Ireland's top players on view plus Walsh, will be some spectacle :D
Damien Comer won't make it back for that one unfortunately. The crowds will have to wait until the Kerry game the week after
Quote from: naka on March 03, 2023, 08:17:14 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on March 03, 2023, 08:09:52 PM
Would love to see Walsh lining out in the Athletic Grounds on March 18th, full house, one of Ireland's top players on view plus Walsh, will be some spectacle :D
Only if Morgan fit
Never mind Katie Taylor at croke
Wouldn't mind seeing round 2 of those two under lights
2 hardy f**kers!
Didn't Morgan catch Walsh with a dirty dig last year and was lucky to stay on the field. Far play to Walsh though who took it and continued no bother
Quote from: An Watcher on March 04, 2023, 01:30:32 PM
Didn't Morgan catch Walsh with a dirty dig last year and was lucky to stay on the field. Far play to Walsh though who took it and continued no bother
Big contrast between Morgan, who could have easily seen the line for off the ball blackguarding in that Q-final and Conor McCluskey in the semi who did the best job of any player on Walsh that I saw in 2022. Already knew that McKaigue was excellent, but McCluskey was also outstanding that day and not a single bit of the off the ball nonsense from him either, just an excellent marking job.
Yes, one of the few bright spots in an absolutely shocking performance from the oak leafers
Where did Derry get all the supporters from?
What's with this Division 2 invasion??
Reality check for Derry, could be a lot further behind
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2023, 05:34:31 PM
Reality check for Derry, could be a lot further behind
Wrong thread.
Typical Derry faux pas, about 2 yards ahead of themselves.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2023, 05:34:31 PM
Reality check for Derry, could be a lot further behind
Wishful thinking!
Armagh 0-1 Donegal 0-1 opning 8 minutes the two goalkeepers with the scores.
Why are they sending Rafferty up for a 14 yard free?
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2023, 07:40:03 PM
Why are they sending Rafferty up for a 14 yard free?
Just thinking the exact same thing. You would be embarrassed for the armagh forwards that the keeper came to take that.
We are utterly clueless against the blanket. So slow and laboured and one dimensional.
Armagh are injecting a bit of pace and directness every five minutes or so and are going to cruise to victory by the looks of things.
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2023, 08:03:58 PM
We are utterly clueless against the blanket. So slow and laboured and one dimensional.
Armagh are injecting a bit of pace and directness every five minutes or so and are going to cruise to victory by the looks of things.
What's Paddy Bradley's role?
Half time Armagh 0-7 Donegal 0-3. Unless Donegal can produce a Derry 2nd half performance it will be a routine home win.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2023, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2023, 07:40:03 PM
Why are they sending Rafferty up for a 14 yard free?
Just thinking the exact same thing. You would be embarrassed for the armagh forwards that the keeper came to take that.
Looks strange. Why do they not just play him out the field. He runs back to the goals like its a chore..
Quote from: marty34 on March 04, 2023, 08:05:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2023, 08:03:58 PM
We are utterly clueless against the blanket. So slow and laboured and one dimensional.
Armagh are injecting a bit of pace and directness every five minutes or so and are going to cruise to victory by the looks of things.
What's Paddy Bradley's role?
I don't know exactly how the coaching is divied up, but Paddy looks a bit frustrated there in his interview.
They're going to lose anyway if they keep with this slow, tentative shite. Go a bit quicker and direct and give it a go. The likes of Jamie Brennan needs little space to get a shot off. Give him a chance.
Should have been a black card for the Donegal defender
Donegal lucky not to get a black card on that Armagh goal chance. No real consistency with refs on the black card rule after all these years.
47 mins played Armagh 0-8 Donegal 0-6
1 point game. Armagh to balls it up again?
ref looks like he has given three or four soft frees to Armagh.
Why was McCole booked there??
63 minutes gone. Armagh 0-11 to 0-7 in front.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 04, 2023, 08:36:19 PM
Donegal lucky not to get a black card on that Armagh goal chance. No real consistency with refs on the black card rule after all these years.
47 mins played Armagh 0-8 Donegal 0-6
By the law the referee got it right with a yellow and not a black
Have to say Donegal are absolutely brutal and it's not a good sign for Armagh that they are still within touching distance.
Never a 45 there for Armagh, the umpire should have stood his ground instead of changing arm gesture mid stream.
Better teams are going to catch Rafferty out.
Big goal chance not taken by Armagh, Donegal from the next two attacks score. 0-11 to 0-10.
Quote from: Main Street on March 04, 2023, 08:55:36 PM
Never a 45 there for Armagh, the umpire should have stood his ground instead of changing arm gesture mid stream.
Ref called it, umpire has to cede to the ref
Complete dive by Burns there.
THats never a free for armagh. If anything its a free out for steps
Was Burns trying for a penalty?
Ludicrous.
Donegal looked doomed but they were a bit hosed by the ref tonight. Draw would have been about right
Full time Armagh 0-13 Donegal 0-10.
Armagh should not be taking this as some big win. Donegal are brutal. Donegal have every man behind the ball then no one in front when they are on the break. They have not improved since bonner by the looks of it.
Quote from: straightred on March 04, 2023, 09:04:20 PM
Donegal looked doomed but they were a bit hosed by the ref tonight. Draw would have been about right
Was it really 23 frees to 8? Jesus Christ the referring tonight has been something special
The President's son got a right handy free at the end there. He must be in the untouchables status along with the Cliffords now.
Rian O Neill is some player.
Quote from: straightred on March 04, 2023, 09:04:20 PM
Donegal looked doomed but they were a bit hosed by the ref tonight. Draw would have been about right
I thought Donegal were dung, brutal shooting coughing up possession soft and really no cut to them. Poorest they've been in a long long time. And yet they could've got something out of the game.
Not an overly convincing performance by Armagh however important win nonetheless. One more win in the remaining matches should secure Division 1 status.
Yeah, we're going down, but at least we played a bit of football in the second half. First half was shocking.
Good to see Thompson back. Judging by our wide count, we need him.
McBrearty won't be back until at least the round robin.
Purely a rebuilding year. Hopefully that first half was the last we'll see of the negative, fearful shite.
Armagh got 3 points from play.
A poor return.
Quote from: straightred on March 04, 2023, 09:04:20 PM
Donegal looked doomed but they were a bit hosed by the ref tonight. Draw would have been about right
Agree, a totally incompetent referee, he should be stood down after that.
gave a phantom 50 result point.
gave a phantom free result point.
jarlath Og Burns over carried the ball not once but twice and then dove. FFS
For a second I though I was watching rugby or American football, such was the yards he took.
The (marginally) better of 2 poor teams won.
Hopefully that keeps us in Div.1
I thought Armagh stood up well to Donegal's efforts in the last 15 minutes when Donegal had their tail up and were flying.
Hard to credit Hurson's decisions, definite 6 county bias.
Quote from: Nanderson on March 04, 2023, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 04, 2023, 08:36:19 PM
Donegal lucky not to get a black card on that Armagh goal chance. No real consistency with refs on the black card rule after all these years.
47 mins played Armagh 0-8 Donegal 0-6
By the law the referee got it right with a yellow and not a black
Correct. It was a pull back, forward decided to fall.
Poor enough night for Jerome Henry, lot of invisible fouls leading to frees for Armagh.
A fine crowd there tonight.
Quote from: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 09:06:45 PM
The President's son got a right handy free at the end there. He must be in the untouchables status along with the Cliffords now.
it was a foul all day.
Jesus Donegal are bad. When we play we look the part but we're still not getting enough out of the forwards.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 09:06:45 PM
The President's son got a right handy free at the end there. He must be in the untouchables status along with the Cliffords now.
it was a foul all day.
He overcarried 3 separate times in the run that led to a dubious free
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2023, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 04, 2023, 09:06:45 PM
The President's son got a right handy free at the end there. He must be in the untouchables status along with the Cliffords now.
it was a foul all day.
Never a foul. He pulled Donegal player.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 04, 2023, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on March 04, 2023, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 04, 2023, 08:36:19 PM
Donegal lucky not to get a black card on that Armagh goal chance. No real consistency with refs on the black card rule after all these years.
47 mins played Armagh 0-8 Donegal 0-6
By the law the referee got it right with a yellow and not a black
Correct. It was a pull back, forward decided to fall.
Poor enough night for Jerome Henry, lot of invisible fouls leading to frees for Armagh.
A fine crowd there tonight.
I wouldn't let Jerome Henry near a Junior C club game, a consistently terrible ref, he's not up to it.
Christ that was a hard watch, I was standing at that thinking to myself I'll not be back to watch that dross again. Armagh are trying to manage games and sacrificing the fancy football, we play like a team that cedes MF from the throw in, very little long kicking, we'll be losing our reputation for entertainment. Hopefully our injuries will clear up or it'll be a short summer. I see Jarly og got MOTM, good 2nd half, but I thought Murnin was our best by a long shot. Some really poor performances tonight.
Donegal were awful, a few hoofs into the square in the 2nd half cant disguise the fact that it's mostly the same tepid, lateral, fearful dung.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2023, 09:40:40 PM
Jesus Donegal are bad. When we play we look the part but we're still not getting enough out of the forwards.
Ye needed an incredibly biased referreeing performance to see the game out. Both teams very similar.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 04, 2023, 10:06:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2023, 09:40:40 PM
Jesus Donegal are bad. When we play we look the part but we're still not getting enough out of the forwards.
Ye needed an incredibly biased referring performance to see the game out. Both teams very similar.
Yeah big step up needed.
Taking the positives- Jarly Og was great second half, Murnin the same and Rian stood up again. Good to see Grugan back.
Poor enough from armagh. Plenty of football to be played yet this year, so no point peaking too early.
Murnin had a great game- he has been armaghs best player this year.
Seen James Morgan with the tracksuit on giving medals ti the kids after the half time games. Would be good to see him togged out again- anyone know if that is far away?
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2023, 09:53:09 PM
Christ that was a hard watch, I was standing at that thinking to myself I'll not be back to watch that dross again. Armagh are trying to manage games and sacrificing the fancy football, we play like a team that cedes MF from the throw in, very little long kicking, we'll be losing our reputation for entertainment. Hopefully our injuries will clear up or it'll be a short summer. I see Jarly og got MOTM, good 2nd half, but I thought Murnin was our best by a long shot. Some really poor performances tonight.
Donegal were awful, a few hoofs into the square in the 2nd half cant disguise the fact that it's mostly the same tepid, lateral, fearful dung.
Are you one of those supporters that looks for entertainment 1st and positive/important results 2nd? Newcastle across the water in 90s was known as the great entertainers and won nothing. Armagh need a new reputation of hard to beat and eventually successful team.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2023, 09:53:09 PM
Christ that was a hard watch, I was standing at that thinking to myself I'll not be back to watch that dross again. Armagh are trying to manage games and sacrificing the fancy football, we play like a team that cedes MF from the throw in, very little long kicking, we'll be losing our reputation for entertainment. Hopefully our injuries will clear up or it'll be a short summer. I see Jarly og got MOTM, good 2nd half, but I thought Murnin was our best by a long shot. Some really poor performances tonight.
Donegal were awful, a few hoofs into the square in the 2nd half cant disguise the fact that it's mostly the same tepid, lateral, fearful dung.
Are you one of those supporters that looks for entertainment 1st and positive/important results 2nd? Newcastle across the water in 90s was known as the great entertainers and won nothing. Armagh need a new reputation of hard to beat and eventually successful team.
Being overly defensive won't win much either- we aren't scoring enough at the minute. Need to play to our strengths more- some unreal forwards but just aren't using them right.
Was at Armagh v Donegal game and after reading posts here watched second half again. The Jarly Burns frees given by the referee were always going to be given. Nowadays you cannot pull at a player or put you hand on a shoulder, especially when he is travelling so fast. Armagh have been poor this year but even at the game I never thought Armagh were going to lose. Each time Donegal got close Armagh pushed ahead again. They also had a couple to good goal scoring chances Donegal have plenty of work to do. As for the referee when watching it again he wasn't as bad as I thought in real time. I also note how when Armagh give away more frees than opposition we are told they don't know how to tackle but when give away less the referee is biased.
A spell in D2 would probably do Donegal a lot of good. It worked for Galway and Roscommon.
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Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2023, 09:53:09 PM
Christ that was a hard watch, I was standing at that thinking to myself I'll not be back to watch that dross again. Armagh are trying to manage games and sacrificing the fancy football, we play like a team that cedes MF from the throw in, very little long kicking, we'll be losing our reputation for entertainment. Hopefully our injuries will clear up or it'll be a short summer. I see Jarly og got MOTM, good 2nd half, but I thought Murnin was our best by a long shot. Some really poor performances tonight.
Donegal were awful, a few hoofs into the square in the 2nd half cant disguise the fact that it's mostly the same tepid, lateral, fearful dung.
Are you one of those supporters that looks for entertainment 1st and positive/important results 2nd? Newcastle across the water in 90s was known as the great entertainers and won nothing. Armagh need a new reputation of hard to beat and eventually successful team.
One might say that a game should indeed be entertainment. When too many games can't provide that it's time to look at the rules. First half of Derry v Dublin last night was equally mind numbing stuff, rugby league without the hits or tackle rule, thankfully the game opened up in the second half, but I suspect we'll see plenty of this before the season is out.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2023, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 04, 2023, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2023, 09:53:09 PM
Christ that was a hard watch, I was standing at that thinking to myself I'll not be back to watch that dross again. Armagh are trying to manage games and sacrificing the fancy football, we play like a team that cedes MF from the throw in, very little long kicking, we'll be losing our reputation for entertainment. Hopefully our injuries will clear up or it'll be a short summer. I see Jarly og got MOTM, good 2nd half, but I thought Murnin was our best by a long shot. Some really poor performances tonight.
Donegal were awful, a few hoofs into the square in the 2nd half cant disguise the fact that it's mostly the same tepid, lateral, fearful dung.
Are you one of those supporters that looks for entertainment 1st and positive/important results 2nd? Newcastle across the water in 90s was known as the great entertainers and won nothing. Armagh need a new reputation of hard to beat and eventually successful team.
Being overly defensive won't win much either- we aren't scoring enough at the minute. Need to play to our strengths more- some unreal forwards but just aren't using them right.
I didn't realise it had to be a binary choice either? I often see or hear people & commentators saying Gaelic is turning into basketball, I'd say its getting more like Rugby League and that is never a compliment. Plus, I'm not lambasting Armagh, I've been going to matches for 40 odd years through thick and a lot of thin, we're just capable of more with this team.
Armagh needed that win , we have a few short as had Donegal ,
More than happy we ground out it out.
Some great turnovers and serious work rate
I will take that every night of the week if it gets us victories .
I thought both teams were very poor yesterday with Armagh the more efficient team of the two. Donegal really kicked themselves out of it with poor shots and poor shot selections throughout. I thought the referee was poor for both sides but again I think that's as much a product of the modern game as it is of a poor referee.
As for Armagh I think they lack the defenders to score more as silly as that sounds. Armagh are strong defensively because of the system they employ when that breaks down they seem to struggle one on one and really lack the quality of defenders of recent times like Andy Mallon in situations such as that. As a result they need to feed more good forwards back into defensive places which in turn dulls their offensive impact. At one stage last night Rian O'Neill was standing on the edge of his own square when the ball was in midfield, he was the deepest defender too. It's very hard for him to score from that position.
All that said it was a must win game for Armagh and we did win it so that's always a positive
We managed to win it from the jaws of victory, which isn't always the case with this team. Defended very well, as a team. Not as cohesive as a unit going forward. Andy Murnin was a thorn in Donegal's side all night. Apart from that we didn't threaten them enough, though we were a lot more direct going forward that Donegal. Can't get a goal at the minute. Aidan Nugent is a miss in this regard. Jarly Og Burns was fantastic when the result was on the line with 10 minutes to go. Great to see him step up and take the game by the scruff of the neck. This was a must win game, and we got over the line.
Shane Walsh place on the Galway bench today is confirmed.
Does anyone know any Ulster / Tyrone / Northern based commentary for Tyrone Kerry game? This radio Tralee biased schtuff is doing my head in .
About time referee take action against kerry high tackles.
Tyrone getting the rub of the green from the ref here!
Canavan a clever wee decker like his da ;D
Bad call against the big kerry lad coming through there.
Quote from: Tyrone Split on March 05, 2023, 01:10:20 PM
Does anyone know any Ulster / Tyrone / Northern based commentary for Tyrone Kerry game? This radio Tralee biased schtuff is doing my head in .
https://www.rte.ie/radio/rnag/
Awful lot of yellow cards for very little. Some lad not see the finish
Tyrone well up for this and up to their old tricks will be interesting to see if Kerry can find a way to get the job done.
Mattie Donnelly must have taken 15 steps for that point from the kick-out.
Mattie ran home with it, step wise there.
Dragging to the ground not a black card
Throne leading
Level Galway vs Las cucarachas
Tyrone defence looks much improved. Great to see a few white shirts swarming a Kerry shirt. Brings back such sweet memories.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 05, 2023, 02:03:09 PM
Mattie ran home with it, step wise there.
Yeah, absolutely shocking amount of steps by Donnelly.
Less than 10 minutes left. Tyrone 1 point in front and Galway two ahead.
Monaghan getting bitchslapped now after a Galway goal. Níl siad in ann tada a dhéanamh say Raidio na Gaeltachta.
Lads book must be full by now.
Went down there looking the free.
Jesus that was brutal!
McKernan is some cheat. Ref is shocking. Tyrone of old with their diving
Can't go near a Tyrone player or a free is given.
What is it with fballers that think they can fight.
Jaysus trone love an oul row
Some celebration there for catchin a ball
What is the free count 2nd half? Unbelievable.
Tyrone players must think this is the all ireland final ???
Are throne back?
Somebody win an all Ireland there lol
Kerry must be taking tackling lessons from armagh. Unreal the amount of high tackles.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 05, 2023, 02:23:59 PM
Somebody win an all Ireland there lol
Just like yesterday evening ;D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
Tyrone players must think this is the all ireland final ???
You mean like armagh last year 😂
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 05, 2023, 02:24:02 PM
Kerry must be taking tackling lessons from armagh. Unreal the amount of high tackles.
Kerry put hand in, tyrone pull up to their neck and dive. Every single ref falls for it.
Tyrone Armagh relegation playoff last game should be tasty.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 05, 2023, 02:24:02 PM
Kerry must be taking tackling lessons from armagh. Unreal the amount of high tackles.
When a fella is already trying to dive to the ground it can be very easy to get a tackle mistimed
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 05, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
Tyrone players must think this is the all ireland final ???
You mean like armagh last year 😂
Armagh weren't in the all ireland final last year?
I say Donegal and Monaghan are down.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 05, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
Tyrone players must think this is the all ireland final ???
You mean like armagh last year 😂
In your head....rent free.
Galway 1-13 Monaghan 0-10 full time.
Wasn't looking brilliant at half time a point and a man down.
What a stupid red card for Peter Cooke. Can't be doing that at this level.
Decent second half from us. Kept Monaghan to 2 points from Beggan frees.
Walsh came on for the last 20 mins or so. Rusty as expected but great to have him back
Always great to beat Kerry and most enjoyable to see how rattled a good few posters on here are too ;D
Mattie Donnelly was brilliant and provided the leadership that has been so lacking. Others like McKernan and Burns also particularly good in that respect but a really good team effort. Still need to work on a lot and there was a lack of composure again at some key times but there is something to build on there.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2023, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 05, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
Tyrone players must think this is the all ireland final ???
You mean like armagh last year 😂
Armagh weren't in the all ireland final last year?
We will be this year. And we'll relegate Tyrone along the way....
There's only one thing better than Tyrone beating Kerry and that's when all the bitter Armagh supporters get all annoyed about Tyrone winning.
Good to have Armagh and Derry wans rattled. Something must be going right. 😂
Quote from: 5times5times on March 05, 2023, 02:23:31 PM
What is the free count 2nd half? Unbelievable.
Yeah, Canavan got a free there for falling down into a lad's knee.
How is that a free?
Massive result for Tyrone and good to see a few folk sickened!
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 05, 2023, 02:23:31 PM
What is the free count 2nd half? Unbelievable.
Yeah, Canavan got a free there for falling down into a lad's knee.
How is that a free?
Was it not a mark?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2023, 02:32:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 05, 2023, 02:23:31 PM
What is the free count 2nd half? Unbelievable.
Yeah, Canavan got a free there for falling down into a lad's knee.
How is that a free?
Was it not a mark?
Ahh don't interrupt their moan. It's been badly missed.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2023, 02:32:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 05, 2023, 02:23:31 PM
What is the free count 2nd half? Unbelievable.
Yeah, Canavan got a free there for falling down into a lad's knee.
How is that a free?
Was it not a mark?
No, the one about 5 mins before that.
Quote from: galwayman on March 05, 2023, 02:28:23 PM
Galway 1-13 Monaghan 0-10 full time.
Wasn't looking brilliant at half time a point and a man down.
What a stupid red card for Peter Cooke. Can't be doing that at this level.
Decent second half from us. Kept Monaghan to 2 points from Beggan frees.
Walsh came on for the last 20 mins or so. Rusty as expected but great to have him back
Galway better team even while playing in 3rd gear really but Monaghan were shocking bad, the shooting in the second half was beyond bad, that wasn't even near a gale wind by Salthill standards.
Great to get the win, another point from the last two games will make sure, could easily see a team on 6 going down in score difference yet the way it's panning out.
Quote from: mackers on March 05, 2023, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 05, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2023, 02:23:41 PM
Tyrone players must think this is the all ireland final ???
You mean like armagh last year 😂
In your head....rent free.
That quote doesn't work when an armagh fan made the first comment. I know use lads are a bit slow but come on.
Also you would have to be successful before using that quote 😂
Serious amount of tackles around the neck, pull downs and body checks by Kerry today, which is reflected in the free and card counts. Definitely a lot of interesting takes from posters here...
Won't get carried away, but possible evidence that Tyrone still have it within them if they can get themselves together.
Big difference in Tyrone's defending today. Very disciplined and got bodies around the Kerry players.
Big lift for Tyrone there at a time when they were been written off on all fronts.
Some crowds going to league games this year, looks like another big attendance in Hyde, even Derry getting in on the act!
Quote from: bennydorano on March 05, 2023, 02:48:27 PM
Some crowds going to league games this year, looks like another big attendance in Hyde, even Derry getting in on the act!
Cracking crowd in the Hyde. Post Covid crowds seem to be up, although all of these games are on TV. Great to to see it.
GAA HQ no doubt hoping for a Mayo v Armagh league final, fill it to the rafters €£.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 05, 2023, 02:53:51 PM
GAA HQ no doubt hoping for a Mayo v Armagh league final, fill it to the rafters €£.
You have to admire Mayo people, who have turned up for year after year.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 05, 2023, 02:53:51 PM
GAA HQ no doubt hoping for a Mayo v Armagh league final, fill it to the rafters €£.
I think armagh will take 6th position just happily never mind a league final.
Galway and Tyrone not the easiest of games to pick-up points from.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 05, 2023, 02:35:53 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 05, 2023, 02:28:23 PM
Galway 1-13 Monaghan 0-10 full time.
Wasn't looking brilliant at half time a point and a man down.
What a stupid red card for Peter Cooke. Can't be doing that at this level.
Decent second half from us. Kept Monaghan to 2 points from Beggan frees.
Walsh came on for the last 20 mins or so. Rusty as expected but great to have him back
Galway better team even while playing in 3rd gear really but Monaghan were shocking bad, the shooting in the second half was beyond bad, that wasn't even near a gale wind by Salthill standards.
Great to get the win, another point from the last two games will make sure, could easily see a team on 6 going down in score difference yet the way it's panning out.
Score difference against the most likely candidates Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan is all good
Roscommon are poor, but my goodness the referee is given us nothing, absolutely useless.
Roscommon no 12 should be red carded for that stamp.
I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 05, 2023, 02:35:53 PM
Quote from: galwayman on March 05, 2023, 02:28:23 PM
Galway 1-13 Monaghan 0-10 full time.
Wasn't looking brilliant at half time a point and a man down.
What a stupid red card for Peter Cooke. Can't be doing that at this level.
Decent second half from us. Kept Monaghan to 2 points from Beggan frees.
Walsh came on for the last 20 mins or so. Rusty as expected but great to have him back
Galway better team even while playing in 3rd gear really but Monaghan were shocking bad, the shooting in the second half was beyond bad, that wasn't even near a gale wind by Salthill standards.
Great to get the win, another point from the last two games will make sure, could easily see a team on 6 going down in score difference yet the way it's panning out.
Tale of 2 subs. Walsh came on for Galway and gave them a spark. McManus came on from Monaghan and the opposite happened. Not his fault but that's the way it played out. Bad wide after bad wide with the odd ball kicked short into the keepers arms. Game was there for either team half way through the 2nd half but Galway kicked on and ran out comfortable winners.
Monaghan Tyrone next weekend is huge now - losers will more than likely go down
Roscommon 0-4 Mayo 0-9 at half time.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 05, 2023, 03:23:29 PM
Roscommon 0-4 Mayo 0-9 at half time.
Rossies have done enough to stay in the game in that half. Game far from over!
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Christ that was a hard watch, I was standing at that thinking to myself I'll not be back to watch that dross again. Armagh are trying to manage games and sacrificing the fancy football, we play like a team that cedes MF from the throw in, very little long kicking, we'll be losing our reputation for entertainment. Hopefully our injuries will clear up or it'll be a short summer. I see Jarly og got MOTM, good 2nd half, but I thought Murnin was our best by a long shot. Some really poor performances tonight.
Donegal were awful, a few hoofs into the square in the 2nd half cant disguise the fact that it's mostly the same tepid, lateral, fearful dung.
Are you one of those supporters that looks for entertainment 1st and positive/important results 2nd? Newcastle across the water in 90s was known as the great entertainers and won nothing. Armagh need a new reputation of hard to beat and eventually successful team.
Being overly defensive won't win much either- we aren't scoring enough at the minute. Need to play to our strengths more- some unreal forwards but just aren't using them right.
I didn't realise it had to be a binary choice either? I often see or hear people & commentators saying Gaelic is turning into basketball, I'd say its getting more like Rugby League and that is never a compliment. Plus, I'm not lambasting Armagh, I've been going to matches for 40 odd years through thick and a lot of thin, we're just capable of more with this team.
Absolutely, but with us it seems to be one extreme or the other. If we get that balance right we'd be hard to beat
More examples in today's 2 televised games of 3/4 men slapping at the man in possession, constantly fouling and winning the free for their efforts... A real gear grinder
Referee is shocking, giving us nothing.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 05, 2023, 04:05:24 PM
More examples in today's 2 televised games of 3/4 men slapping at the man in possession, constantly fouling and winning the free for their efforts... A real gear grinder
Each to their own. I hate the sight of a man getting bottled up and throwing themselves to the ground in the hope of winning a free. Some people want a contactless sport unfortunately imo.
Does your man Burke ever stop complaining along the line??big baby and mchugh like a yapping little terrior dog
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Quote from: JoG2 on March 05, 2023, 04:05:24 PM
More examples in today's 2 televised games of 3/4 men slapping at the man in possession, constantly fouling and winning the free for their efforts... A real gear grinder
Each to their own. I hate the sight of a man getting bottled up and throwing themselves to the ground in the hope of winning a free. Some people want a contactless sport unfortunately imo.
But it shouldn't be a case of each to their own, its breaking the rules. And a minute later you'll see a ref blow for 1 player slapping at a player... Yet multiple players are at it and it's fine.
Good game in the end. Rossies stuck with it to the end. Mayo have to learn to run down the clock rather than go for half chances at the end of a game when they are winning.
The standard of refereeing in the 2 televised matches today has been absolutely brutal
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:05:56 PM
Referee is shocking, giving us nothing.
Gave Mayo a few handy 14 yard frees. Didn't Burke manage referee Brendan Cawley club Sarsfields at one stage?
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:05:56 PM
Referee is shocking, giving us nothing.
As a complete neutral I thought he was OK.
Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
Mayo versus Foireann Eile in the league final
Quote from: Gael85 on March 05, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:05:56 PM
Referee is shocking, giving us nothing.
Gave Mayo a few handy 14 yard frees. Didn't Burke manage referee Brendan Cawley club Sarsfields at one stage?
He did, certainly didn't show.
Jack Carney has really come on this year.
Quote from: Chimley on March 05, 2023, 04:28:44 PM
Jack Carney has really come on this year.
A excellent player. Mayo have good options in the forwards.
Justice for roscommon and their antics. Cox v Ruane was just embarrassing. Dive after dive.
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
How to give blinkered account of today's match.
Conor Cox should be on a soccer field. Thank Christ the ref didn't fall for it. What was the hop ball for below in the corner? I think that passage of play led to the second Roscommon goal...
The subs weakened us and strengthened the Rossies. McStay better figure out a way to avoid a league final.
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Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
You must be on E tabs yourself
I was taught when young to tackle with 1 hand to the ball and the other out or u get blown for fouling, now lads just seem to double slap with both hands, even when 2/3 around a lad, that's not remotely near tacking. Between it, diving, pretending u hurt to waste time, and as a few pointed out booing in last night's game, we become more and more like soccer.
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Quote from: JoG2 on March 05, 2023, 04:05:24 PM
More examples in today's 2 televised games of 3/4 men slapping at the man in possession, constantly fouling and winning the free for their efforts... A real gear grinder
Each to their own. I hate the sight of a man getting bottled up and throwing themselves to the ground in the hope of winning a free. Some people want a contactless sport unfortunately imo.
But it shouldn't be a case of each to their own, its breaking the rules. And a minute later you'll see a ref blow for 1 player slapping at a player... Yet multiple players are at it and it's fine.
Didn't see it myself. Some people think because a player is bottled up with arms out closing down a player that it's a foul when it's not. More often the forward running into outstretched arms hoping for a free due to the contact.
Mayo looked 1st half that they would go on to win by 8 to 10 points but Roscommon like they have been for most games in this league produced a good 2nd half with impact off the bench and in the end Mayo just win by 2 and can be thankful they were gifted a goal to keep their noses in front.
That's not true, you can see players slapped away with both hands, not holding him up, go watch some of the instances again
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
Gaelic football has gotten so hard to referee. Players in todays game practice how to win frees. It's hard to distinguish between legitimate and fabricated fouls.
To add to it many referees have never played the game at any level.
Then there is a majority of the viewing public who don't have a clue of the rules or their interpretation.
We need to extend the step round to 6, given lads are all going by that now in ever game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2023, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
Gaelic football has gotten so hard to referee. Players in todays game practice how to win frees. It's hard to distinguish between legitimate and fabricated fouls.
To add to it many referees have never played the game at any level.
Then there is a majority of the viewing public who don't have a clue of the rules or their interpretation.
Don't worry. Jarlath will sort it out.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 05, 2023, 04:49:06 PM
That's not true, you can see players slapped away with both hands, not holding him up, go watch some of the instances again
Not all cases I know. But I think you're falling for the auld forward cuteness tbh if you thought there was a lot. It was good to see the ref allowing the play to continue today and not giving the easy decision unless a clear foul.
Kerry far from shrinking violets today. Well. Versed in the tactical foul or body check off the ball.
Curious why
1. Point that hit top of post and bounced in wasn't allowed
2. How Sean O'Se avoided a black card for a textbook pull down
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2023, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
Gaelic football has gotten so hard to referee. Players in todays game practice how to win frees. It's hard to distinguish between legitimate and fabricated fouls.
To add to it many referees have never played the game at any level.
Then there is a majority of the viewing public who don't have a clue of the rules or their interpretation.
Really can't understand why playing a game should make someone a more suitable adjudicator on it. Almost to a man, players interpret the aggression levels of teammates on an entirely different scale to that of their opponents. Plus, if anything, players want a "dodgy call" evened up with one or two for themselves.
The other points are valid. The culture of diving and feigning injury is complete scourge on the game, and it'll never change so long as the " head injury nazis" (i really don't want to call them that, but it's an apt description of those who demand caution after every contact) have their way.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 05, 2023, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 05, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
Roscommon were poor, but probably should have won it. Keeper had a shocker for kick outs, worth at least 3 points to Mayo,we handed them a goal. Referee bought all the usual cynicism from Mayo, he was awful.
The only time he should be let near a whistle again, is when he goes to a rave.
Gaelic football has gotten so hard to referee. Players in todays game practice how to win frees. It's hard to distinguish between legitimate and fabricated fouls.
To add to it many referees have never played the game at any level.
Then there is a majority of the viewing public who don't have a clue of the rules or their interpretation.
That's all true, cant argue with that.
What is it with refs. They send someone rightly off then go out of their way to give them every decision after it. Some amount of calls going Galways way since the sending off
That's poor lying down by Sean Kelly there, nothing wrong with him.
N0. 12 down as if he shot, to waste time, Monaghan man booked for the face contact, Galway man holding you man bck from taking quick one, which lead to it, nothing!
Connacht teams lead Div 1, the West's awake.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2023, 06:37:17 PM
Connacht teams lead Div 1, the West's awake.
Apart from Mayo into the final its hard to say who will join them in that final and which two will be relegated. The most competitive Division 1 campaign i can remember.
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R6
Sat 18th March
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Sun 19th March
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
R7
Sunday 26th 1.45pm throw ins:
Tyrone v Armagh
Mayo v Monaghan
Roscommon v Donegal
Galway v Kerry
Quote from: tyroneman on March 05, 2023, 05:06:04 PM
Kerry far from shrinking violets today. Well. Versed in the tactical foul or body check off the ball.
Curious why
1. Point that hit top of post and bounced in wasn't allowed
2. How Sean O'Se avoided a black card for a textbook pull down
Yes, same as that. Thought it was some rule I wasn't aware of. As for the drag down, Tyrone were on the end of sone very dubious refereeing decisions last year yet these ones look fairly black and white
Quote from: illdecide on March 03, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Armagh 1-15 Donegal 1-13
Galway 1-16 Monaghan 2-11
Tyrone 2-14 Kerry 2-13
Roscommon 0-15 Mayo 2-13
Got the results correct just not the right scores...C- must do better
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2023, 06:37:17 PM
Connacht teams lead Div 1, the West's awake.
Ulster's half awake
Quote from: bennydorano on March 05, 2023, 07:06:50 PM
R6
Sat 18th March
Armagh v Galway - No one could predict this result - DRAW maybe
Kerry v Roscommon - Kerry to win comfortably
Sun 19th March
Monaghan v Tyrone - This really is a difficult one, Tyrone to sneak this one
Donegal v Mayo - Mayo to win with a few to spare
R7
Sunday 26th 1.45pm throw ins:
Tyrone v Armagh - Tyrone to win but I hope not
Mayo v Monaghan - Monaghan as Mayo will already be qualified
Roscommon v Donegal - Roscommon to win
Galway v Kerry - Galway to win by the minimum
If them results panned out like that we'd have (TBF i'm worng more times than i'm right...lol)
Mayo on 10pts
Galway on 9pts
Rossies on 8pts
Kerry on 6pts
Armagh on 6pts
Monaghan on 6pts
Donegal on 3pts
I'm assuming it goes to scoring difference if 3 teams finish on same pts?.
Quote from: illdecide on March 05, 2023, 08:05:13 PM
If them results panned out like that we'd have (TBF i'm worng more times than i'm right...lol)
Mayo on 10pts
Galway on 9pts
Rossies on 8pts
Kerry on 6pts
Armagh on 6pts
Monaghan on 6pts
Donegal on 3pts
I'm assuming it goes to scoring difference if 3 teams finish on same pts?.
You don't like Tyrone do you.... 😢
Mattie Donnelly spoke and looked like a young Kieran McGeeney in that post match interview on TG4.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 05, 2023, 08:05:13 PM
If them results panned out like that we'd have (TBF i'm worng more times than i'm right...lol)
Mayo on 10pts
Galway on 9pts
Rossies on 8pts
Kerry on 6pts
Armagh on 6pts
Monaghan on 6pts
Donegal on 3pts
I'm assuming it goes to scoring difference if 3 teams finish on same pts?.
You don't like Tyrone do you.... 😢
Sorry about that...Tyrone on 8pts winning their last two games and putting the neighbours to the sword...Happy now my friend :)
Quote from: illdecide on March 05, 2023, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 05, 2023, 08:05:13 PM
If them results panned out like that we'd have (TBF i'm worng more times than i'm right...lol)
Mayo on 10pts
Galway on 9pts
Rossies on 8pts
Kerry on 6pts
Armagh on 6pts
Monaghan on 6pts
Donegal on 3pts
I'm assuming it goes to scoring difference if 3 teams finish on same pts?.
You don't like Tyrone do you.... 😢
Sorry about that...Tyrone on 8pts winning their last two games and putting the neighbours to the sword...Happy now my friend :)
I'll take that.
Quote from: phpearse on March 05, 2023, 08:25:26 PM
Mattie Donnelly spoke and looked like a young Kieran McGeeney in that post match interview on TG4.
Too right, he didn't smile once
Just watching the highlights now. Silly sending off by Peter Cooke. Very good win for Galway by 6 with 14 men for all of the 2nd half. No McCarron today injured or ill?
God we were poor today, 20 minutes to get a score, silly fouls, poor kick outs , gifting a goal, but (probably Rhus easing up thinking of 9th April) a good comeback, 2 excellent goals and almost snatched it with the last kick of the game.
Unfortunately we're still not safe and a trip to Tralee means we'll still be on 6 points when we meet Donegal .
Impossible to predict who'll be relegated or make the Final Armagh v Galway anyone?
Brendan Rodgers is a class player but how many steps is he allowed take with playing the ball?
Going down to the wire at the top and bottom. The League continues to show its the best format competition the GAA have, surely the penny will eventually drop with HQ and have two equally important competitions.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2023, 10:33:55 PM
Impossible to predict who'll be relegated or make the Final Armagh v Galway anyone?
An Armagh v Galway final is nearly impossible. If Galway beat Armagh then Armagh as likely to be relegated as get to the final. If Armagh beat Galway then Armagh would still have to beat Tyrone and Galway beat Kerry for either of them to be in the final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 05, 2023, 03:17:54 PM
I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Quote from: Itchy on March 05, 2023, 10:42:46 PM
Brendan Rodgers is a class player but how many steps is he allowed take with playing the ball?
2 less than maybe Kilkenny / Meyler etc?
Quote from: Main Street on March 05, 2023, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 05, 2023, 03:17:54 PM
I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Quote from: Itchy on March 05, 2023, 10:42:46 PM
Brendan Rodgers is a class player but how many steps is he allowed take with playing the ball?
He has very long legs, 4 steps from him takes him 40 yards.
Quote from: Manning18 on March 06, 2023, 12:31:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 05, 2023, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 05, 2023, 03:17:54 PM
I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Monaghan were comfortably the worst team Galway have played this year, really poor.
Fitness wise Mayo seem to be a good bit ahead of everyone else. Only won by 2 points yesterday, but never looked like losing the game. Always seemed to be in total control & if we scored, they could go up the field and score. In truth they were probably 7 or 8 points the better team yesterday, without showing too much of their hand.
Fair play to our lads for not giving up & scored 2 well worked goals, thought Smith was impressive yesterday, tried very hard. But we were poor, totally out played for the first 22 minutes. Why is that?
This league campaign we have played pretty poor, but have won games, we would normally lose. We are a hard team to figure out. Need much more fire in the bellies. This Kerry game away is almost certainly a write off. Going to be a nervous must win/ draw game V Donegal. Hopefully we can lose our flaky tag.
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2023, 08:27:57 AM
Fitness wise Mayo seem to be a good bit ahead of everyone else. Only won by 2 points yesterday, but never looked like losing the game. Always seemed to be in total control & if we scored, they could go up the field and score. In truth they were probably 7 or 8 points the better team yesterday, without showing too much of their hand.
Fair play to our lads for not giving up & scored 2 well worked goals, thought Smith was impressive yesterday, tried very hard. But we were poor, totally out played for the first 22 minutes. Why is that?
This league campaign we have played pretty poor, but have won games, we would normally lose. We are a hard team to figure out. Need much more fire in the bellies. This Kerry game away is almost certainly a write off. Going to be a nervous must win/ draw game V Donegal. Hopefully we can lose our flaky tag.
Ros should be able to beat Donegal.
Good to see Finnerty back fully fit, thats 5 points from play since been introduced at half time in the Donegal game. Idiotic from Cooke, can't believe he did that in front of the ref. Eoghan Kelly has done really well so far but he's not comfortable on the ball and will get targeted if he doesn't move it on quicker.
McGrath did well, has a great turn of pace. Sweeney has a lot of talent but looks like Joyce is unsure where his best position is, he's got to improve his decision making.
Slightly better from Gleeson on kickouts yesterday but Monaghan definitely let Galway off the hook with this.
Monaghan were tragic though.
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2023, 08:27:57 AM
Fitness wise Mayo seem to be a good bit ahead of everyone else. Only won by 2 points yesterday, but never looked like losing the game. Always seemed to be in total control & if we scored, they could go up the field and score. In truth they were probably 7 or 8 points the better team yesterday, without showing too much of their hand.
Fair play to our lads for not giving up & scored 2 well worked goals, thought Smith was impressive yesterday, tried very hard. But we were poor, totally out played for the first 22 minutes. Why is that?
This league campaign we have played pretty poor, but have won games, we would normally lose. We are a hard team to figure out. Need much more fire in the bellies. This Kerry game away is almost certainly a write off. Going to be a nervous must win/ draw game V Donegal. Hopefully we can lose our flaky tag.
Ros should be able to beat Donegal.
Roscommon should have been able to beat Clare last year. Derry didn't have to think twice, just went out & hammered them. Derry look like a really strong side this year. The pressure will be on Roscommon to deliver a result against what looks like a poor enough Donegal side.
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2023, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2023, 08:27:57 AM
Fitness wise Mayo seem to be a good bit ahead of everyone else. Only won by 2 points yesterday, but never looked like losing the game. Always seemed to be in total control & if we scored, they could go up the field and score. In truth they were probably 7 or 8 points the better team yesterday, without showing too much of their hand.
Fair play to our lads for not giving up & scored 2 well worked goals, thought Smith was impressive yesterday, tried very hard. But we were poor, totally out played for the first 22 minutes. Why is that?
This league campaign we have played pretty poor, but have won games, we would normally lose. We are a hard team to figure out. Need much more fire in the bellies. This Kerry game away is almost certainly a write off. Going to be a nervous must win/ draw game V Donegal. Hopefully we can lose our flaky tag.
Ros should be able to beat Donegal.
Roscommon should have been able to beat Clare last year. Derry didn't have to think twice, just went out & hammered them. Derry look like a really strong side this year. The pressure will be on Roscommon to deliver a result against what looks like a poor enough Donegal side.
Donegal like Monaghan are a bit of an anomaly. They can be out-right terrible, or catch you on a bad day and beat you. Both are s diffferent proposition at home.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 06, 2023, 08:43:50 AM
Good to see Finnerty back fully fit, thats 5 points from play since been introduced at half time in the Donegal game. Idiotic from Cooke, can't believe he did that in front of the ref. Eoghan Kelly has done really well so far but he's not comfortable on the ball and will get targeted if he doesn't move it on quicker.
McGrath did well, has a great turn of pace. Sweeney has a lot of talent but looks like Joyce is unsure where his best position is, he's got to improve his decision making.
Slightly better from Gleeson on kickouts yesterday but Monaghan definitely let Galway off the hook with this.
Monaghan were tragic though.
I'd let Sweeney take a few licks and mistakes during the league like the kick at the end of the Mayo game to let him get experience and get up to speed, clearly has a ton of football ability in him.
Bar a misplaced hand pass when he was up the pitch Gleeson was absolutely fine yesterday, came out and cleared the balls that he had to, kickouts looked fine bar a couple of ones that went astray but he won't face a more anaemic effort at pressuring them again this year.
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2023, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2023, 08:41:23 AM
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2023, 08:27:57 AM
Fitness wise Mayo seem to be a good bit ahead of everyone else. Only won by 2 points yesterday, but never looked like losing the game. Always seemed to be in total control & if we scored, they could go up the field and score. In truth they were probably 7 or 8 points the better team yesterday, without showing too much of their hand.
Fair play to our lads for not giving up & scored 2 well worked goals, thought Smith was impressive yesterday, tried very hard. But we were poor, totally out played for the first 22 minutes. Why is that?
This league campaign we have played pretty poor, but have won games, we would normally lose. We are a hard team to figure out. Need much more fire in the bellies. This Kerry game away is almost certainly a write off. Going to be a nervous must win/ draw game V Donegal. Hopefully we can lose our flaky tag.
Ros should be able to beat Donegal.
Roscommon should have been able to beat Clare last year. Derry didn't have to think twice, just went out & hammered them. Derry look like a really strong side this year. The pressure will be on Roscommon to deliver a result against what looks like a poor enough Donegal side.
Ros are an improvement on last season. Donegal are probably the weakest team in the division.
Still all to play for
Great league so far
Armagh need to get at least a point from the Galway game as would hate to go to Omagh needing a result .
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 06, 2023, 08:43:50 AM
Good to see Finnerty back fully fit, thats 5 points from play since been introduced at half time in the Donegal game. Idiotic from Cooke, can't believe he did that in front of the ref. Eoghan Kelly has done really well so far but he's not comfortable on the ball and will get targeted if he doesn't move it on quicker.
McGrath did well, has a great turn of pace. Sweeney has a lot of talent but looks like Joyce is unsure where his best position is, he's got to improve his decision making.
Slightly better from Gleeson on kickouts yesterday but Monaghan definitely let Galway off the hook with this.
Monaghan were tragic though.
Finnerty's really kicked on. He's verging in on top tier now and is absolutely essential in a forward line not awash with heavy scorers. I actually think the top 8 is fairly set now injuries aside. Heaney, Tierney and Conroy have dispelled any notions that their places might be up for grabs with excellent league campaigns. Cooke, while very prone to stupid mistakes, is still way too talented not to play imo. Finnerty, Comer, Walsh and McDaid are undroppable. That's acknowledging the amount of games however, so possibly the notion of a settled first 15 might be dispelled for every team this season.
Conroy will probably need minding from certain matchups and positions on a Croke Park pitch later in the year but can cross that bridge when the time comes. For now I can only marvel at how he's still bossing games at 34 with his smarts and technique.
Nobody else has put the hand up really unfortunately. If you wanted to be brave later in the year and a Patrick Kelly (especially), Tomo or Ian Burke was in very good form, maybe you could get brave and move Heaney to wing back. Sweeney's an interesting case, hard to know is he better at wing back or forward (and if there's much difference between the two). At the moment though I feel he should be trying to make the open no.7 slot his own. The Corner Back spot opposite Glynn is the other seemingly open spot, albiet Eoghan Kelly has been reasonably good there. Not fully sure id fancy him marking a Tommy Conroy later in the year but we'll see. McGraths another option who did very well yesterday, albiet probably slightly behind physically than others.
Finnerty doesn't get enough credit for his performance in the AI final last year. I don't think he scored but his distribution was fantastic. Very good player and still young so you'd expect to kick on quite a bit.
Armagh Galway in the athletic grounds will be interesting. Looks to be some atmosphere there.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 06, 2023, 10:35:05 AM
Finnerty doesn't get enough credit for his performance in the AI final last year. I don't think he scored but his distribution was fantastic. Very good player and still young so you'd expect to kick on quite a bit.
Armagh Galway in the athletic grounds will be interesting. Looks to be some atmosphere there.
Yeah should be electric- hopefully its as good as game as the QF last year. At least it wont go to fecking penalties though lol.
I think it's quite a good league for Galway in building on last year and giving the half forwards the chance to develop, bring a few players on, develop momentum in the absence of the full forward line and prepare for the championship. The relegation in 2021 was really an anomaly because Galway were a Division 1 team in Division 2 last year. I don't know when the last time a D2 team reached the all Ireland final was.
Armagh v Galway will probably be a full house or v close to it. It's a must win game for Armagh to stay in the division as there is plenty of talk doing the rounds that teams may not want to play in the League play off so the two bottom teams may well pick up points that normally would be out of their grasp. I'm assuming this is down to the Championship openers happening the week or two after the League play off. For this reason alone Armagh must beat Galway in two weeks time, with a bit of luck we can clear up a few injuries in this time and just hope Galway are happy enough with their current tally of points and Armagh win with the edge...Here's hoping as this Galway side look to be getting better and when they get all their players back in they'll be hard to beat.
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2023, 12:22:42 PM
I think it's quite a good league for Galway in building on last year and giving the half forwards the chance to develop, bring a few players on, develop momentum in the absence of the full forward line and prepare for the championship. The relegation in 2021 was really an anomaly because Galway were a Division 1 team in Division 2 last year. I don't know when the last time a D2 team reached the all Ireland final was.
Armagh 2002?
Down 2010 I think.
Quote from: naka on March 06, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
Still all to play for
Great league so far
Armagh need to get at least a point from the Galway game as would hate to go to Omagh needing a result .
14 homes wins, 3 aways and 3 draws in Div 1. Don't remember home advantage ever being to important
While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Quote from: OrchardOrange on March 06, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
Quote from: straightred on March 06, 2023, 12:39:42 PM
Quote from: naka on March 06, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
Still all to play for
Great league so far
Armagh need to get at least a point from the Galway game as would hate to go to Omagh needing a result .
14 homes wins, 3 aways and 3 draws in Div 1. Don't remember home advantage ever being to important
Don't want to be too negative from an Armagh perspective, but in the last 10 league meetings between Armagh & Galway, going back to 1999, Armagh have won only three times, Galway have won 5 and there were 2 draws.
Throw in 4 qualifier defeats in the same period and our record is pretty crap.
If this game was in Salthill, I wouldn't give us a chance. Home advantage means a lot - will be a fascinating game given the way things ended after normal time and extra time the last time we met.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 06, 2023, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on March 06, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 06, 2023, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 06, 2023, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: OrchardOrange on March 06, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
I don't have a problem with it, issue is when everyone thinks he is always the victim which is not the case. Commentators fawn over every pass while ignoring the other stuff he gets up to.
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I think it's quite a good league for Galway in building on last year and giving the half forwards the chance to develop, bring a few players on, develop momentum in the absence of the full forward line and prepare for the championship. The relegation in 2021 was really an anomaly because Galway were a Division 1 team in Division 2 last year. I don't know when the last time a D2 team reached the all Ireland final was.
Armagh 2002?
Donegal reached the final in 2014 after being promoted earlier in the year.
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While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
I don't have a problem with it, issue is when everyone thinks he is always the victim which is not the case. Commentators fawn over every pass while ignoring the other stuff he gets up to.
While no doubt he is a special, special talent, some of the commentary is like he is the second coming and I find it a bit tiring, along with the whole Dubs - Kerry obsession (saying a decent match between them last year was the best game every etc). He was excellent going forward against Tyrone in 2021, but it was completely overlooked that mistakes by him directly led to Tyrone scoring two goals
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While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
I don't have a problem with it, issue is when everyone thinks he is always the victim which is not the case. Commentators fawn over every pass while ignoring the other stuff he gets up to.
The chances that it's Clifford who has STARTED a hauling & pulling match with a corner back are close to zero tho. I've yet to see him doing something spiteful, it's always retaliatory tbh. Rian O'Neill has a nasty streak tho, he'd snout first.
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While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
I don't have a problem with it, issue is when everyone thinks he is always the victim which is not the case. Commentators fawn over every pass while ignoring the other stuff he gets up to.
The chances that it's Clifford who has STARTED a hauling & pulling match with a corner back are close to zero tho. I've yet to see him doing something spiteful, it's always retaliatory tbh. Rian O'Neill has a nasty streak tho, he'd snout first.
Forwards aren't innocent. They have as much to gain in getting to a defender as the defender has of getting to a forward. I hate all the pushing and shoving which goes on in every game but don't think it will ever change.
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Quote from: OrchardOrange on March 06, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
I don't have a problem with it, issue is when everyone thinks he is always the victim which is not the case. Commentators fawn over every pass while ignoring the other stuff he gets up to.
Same with Canavan... he got all the plaudits but people forget he was nasty when he wanted to be and was well able to grab an arm and fall down to win a free when it suited him.
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While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Fossa midfielder should have been red carded for a deliberate clothes-line tackle in the Junior final also and a Harps player had the jersey completely ripped off him like McKernan had yesterday.
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I think it's quite a good league for Galway in building on last year and giving the half forwards the chance to develop, bring a few players on, develop momentum in the absence of the full forward line and prepare for the championship. The relegation in 2021 was really an anomaly because Galway were a Division 1 team in Division 2 last year. I don't know when the last time a D2 team reached the all Ireland final was.
Armagh 2002?
Donegal reached the final in 2014 after being promoted earlier in the year.
GRMA. 2014 really was the one that got away
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Quote from: OrchardOrange on March 06, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
While there's no team I like to see getting a kicking more than Throne, the stuff Kerry got away with yesterday was ridiculous, especially the deliberate clothes-line tackle that was a straight red all day long. This purist football myth means Kerry players are practically immune from getting sent off. When the game turns against them every Kerry player becomes a dirty hoor and gets away with it. Where were the cards for contributing to a melee or is that only for Ulster teams?
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual for tyrone fans lol. All joking aside there was a serious amount of neck high challenges yesterday which could have had bad consequences. The clothesline should have been a straight red.
All the talk of Clifford is way over the top. He is another one with a nasty streak but often gets away with it as refs are in awe of him.
not too many top players without a bit of dirt in them. Clifford gets a serious amount of abuse though every week which is to be expected so can't really complain if he gives abit back.
I don't have a problem with it, issue is when everyone thinks he is always the victim which is not the case. Commentators fawn over every pass while ignoring the other stuff he gets up to.
The chances that it's Clifford who has STARTED a hauling & pulling match with a corner back are close to zero tho. I've yet to see him doing something spiteful, it's always retaliatory tbh. Rian O'Neill has a nasty streak tho, he'd snout first.
Forwards aren't innocent. They have as much to gain in getting to a defender as the defender has of getting to a forward. I hate all the pushing and shoving which goes on in every game but don't think it will ever change.
Watched the game back last night, to a man, every time a Kerry player (most often a forward or a midfielder) committed a blatant foul to stop a Tyrone attack, the hands go out to the Referee
as to (What did I do, too many of them at it for it not to be a coaching strategy.) so annoying to watch, when you commit a foul, move on.
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I think it's quite a good league for Galway in building on last year and giving the half forwards the chance to develop, bring a few players on, develop momentum in the absence of the full forward line and prepare for the championship. The relegation in 2021 was really an anomaly because Galway were a Division 1 team in Division 2 last year. I don't know when the last time a D2 team reached the all Ireland final was.
Armagh 2002?
Donegal reached the final in 2014 after being promoted earlier in the year.
Mayo 2021
Positions shifted a lot over the week
After round 4, 5 to 8 were
Monaghan
Armagh
Donegal
Tyrone
After the weekend 5-8 were
Kerry
Tyrone
Monaghan
Donegal
Amazeballs
Jack on crying about tyrone free count. Maybe if he coached his players on how to tackle instead of trying to take their heads off it might head. Stopping cynical tackling would also lower the amount of frees they give away.
He seems to do some about of complaining when kerry lose.
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Jack on crying about tyrone free count. Maybe if he coached his players on how to tackle instead of trying to take their heads off it might head. Stopping cynical tackling would also lower the amount of frees they give away.
He seems to do some about of complaining when kerry lose.
He's just a bad loser, better than being a good loser!
galway are just quietly going about their business in the league without too much fuss and without two of their top players for the most part. they're tipping along and doing just enough. grinding out results in sticky battles too, which will stand to them. they're going to go very well in the championship this year. only issue with them is the constant faking of injuries either trying to get opposition players carded or time wasting. their team doctor spends more time on the pitch than any of their subs.
On review of the Peter Cooke sending off, what he done was very stupid but on TV there, it looked like the Monaghan man was holding him down with a semi head lock in the ground. No action against the Monaghan lad. Seriously what was Seal Kelly at, lying down like that.
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Rhubarbs now give up on the League giving Monaghan and Donegal 2 handy points >:(
Galway are safe on 6 pts anyway, hopefully won't be too interested in collecting the points in Armagh ... sure they need to think ahead to the 2024 league and 6000 Armagh supporters landing into Salthill for the weekend, bonanza for the local economy. Galway lads will hopefully see the bigger picture ;D
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
Ah, that year you broke the covid rules and got rewarded with a home relegation playoff in a game of inches. A tough one to take at the time alright, but one of the best things to happen in hindsight. There's great momentum in winning, and it lasted for the vast majority of last year.
You should have nothing to be worried about as long as you're confident you'll get straight back up. I do hope Monaghan stay up though, that lengthy stretch in D1 is a great achievement
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Galway are safe on 6 pts anyway, hopefully won't be too interested in collecting the points in Armagh ... sure they need to think ahead to the 2024 league and 6000 Armagh supporters landing into Salthill for the weekend, bonanza for the local economy. Galway lads will hopefully see the bigger picture ;D
I think Armagh will edge this one. Two even teams and Armagh should have a motivation edge, with Galway being safe as you say, plus possibly the hint of revenge from last summer. Home advantage seems to be important in this league also. I kind of fancy Galway to be well up for the Kerry game the week after for similar reasons but like Armagh in this one.
Looking forward to heading up though. Atmosphere always looks cracking up there. The return leg could potentially be one of Galways first Saturday evening games with lights due to be installed next year. Town would be hopping that evening. Just prepare for some wind and rain!
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
Ah, that year you broke the covid rules and got rewarded with a home relegation playoff in a game of inches. A tough one to take at the time alright, but one of the best things to happen in hindsight. There's great momentum in winning, and it lasted for the vast majority of last year.
You should have nothing to be worried about as long as you're confident you'll get straight back up. I do hope Monaghan stay up though, that lengthy stretch in D1 is a great achievement
Monaghan were punished for breaking covid rules and served their time which afterwards ended up in a play off in Clones. When you are beaten fair and square on the field of play you should take it on the chin like us Monaghan folk are well used to ;)
Just take on board that this year you failed to beat both Roscommon and Donegal, which we managed handily enough. The league is not a consistent affair but about who manages to stay afloat after 7 games.
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
Ah, that year you broke the covid rules and got rewarded with a home relegation playoff in a game of inches. A tough one to take at the time alright, but one of the best things to happen in hindsight. There's great momentum in winning, and it lasted for the vast majority of last year.
You should have nothing to be worried about as long as you're confident you'll get straight back up. I do hope Monaghan stay up though, that lengthy stretch in D1 is a great achievement
Monaghan were punished for breaking covid rules and served their time which afterwards ended up in a play off in Clones. When you are beaten fair and square on the field of play you should take it on the chin like us Monaghan folk are well used to ;)
Just take on board that this year you failed to beat both Roscommon and Donegal, which we managed handily enough. The league is not a consistent affair but about who manages to stay afloat after 7 games.
8 points may not be enough for safety.
8pts is safety...Unless i've done my calculations wrong due to fixtures against each other it's not possible to be relegated on 8pts.
I know it's not for another 10 days or so and it'll heat up next week but i really like this Galway team and if they get a bit of steel about them they certainly have the players to win an All Ireland, I think Armagh can beat them next week but only because Galway may well have their eye on another game in the Championship. If Galway come to Armagh next week looking 2pts and hungry for them they will beat Armagh based on current form, Armagh have played none the year and I'm pleasantly surprised they have 5pts so far as their performances have been below par for me. They have a lot of injuries atm but I doubt any team is playing with their full deck at this stage as there is always someone suspended or injured. Maybe this could be the game where things click for them and both teams have a qer rattle at each other and see who can out gun the other (wishful thinking...it'll be another boring orange wall around the 45m line)
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8pts is safety...Unless i've done my calculations wrong due to fixtures against each other it's not possible to be relegated on 8pts.
I know it's not for another 10 days or so and it'll heat up next week but i really like this Galway team and if they get a bit of steel about them they certainly have the players to win an All Ireland, I think Armagh can beat them next week but only because Galway may well have their eye on another game in the Championship. If Galway come to Armagh next week looking 2pts and hungry for them they will beat Armagh based on current form, Armagh have played none the year and I'm pleasantly surprised they have 5pts so far as their performances have been below par for me. They have a lot of injuries atm but I doubt any team is playing with their full deck at this stage as there is always someone suspended or injured. Maybe this could be the game where things click for them and both teams have a qer rattle at each other and see who can out gun the other (wishful thinking...it'll be another boring orange wall around the 45m line)
The CCCC could intervene to make sure Monaghan go down
??????
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0306/1360568-coulter-all-ireland-race-will-be-most-open-in-a-decade/
Down legend Benny Coulter believes that we could be set for the most open All-Ireland Senior Football Championship in a decade.
The Mayobridge man, an All-Star in 2010, retired from the inter-county scene after the 2014 campaign and the eight seasons since have seen Dublin lift the Sam Maguire six times while Tyrone and Kerry have each been crowned All-Ireland champions once.
However Coulter, manager of the Down minors and Mourne club Rostrevor, feels that the 2023 season is starting to feel like it could produce something special.
The fact that the two favourites for the All-Ireland, Kerry and Dublin, suffered league defeats at the weekend only strengthens that assertion.
"I'm looking at the likes of Armagh, Derry and teams like that. I don't think Kerry are as far ahead as people think.
"David Clifford is obviously an outstanding player, but you take Clifford out, teams like Armagh and Derry will feel that they are as good as them.
"This season is going to be an open race; you don't have to wait another two or three years. We're going to have Galway and Dublin there too.
"This new group stage format, it's new and all the teams will be going into the unknown."
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/06/for-the-first-time-in-gaa-some-league-games-are-as-important-as-the-championship/
The Monaghan-Tyrone game in a couple of weeks will be an interesting test of the changing climate. Having spent nine years in Division One – the second longest existing tenancy in the division, behind Kerry – Monaghan are bothered by relegation again. Despite their win over the All-Ireland champions at the weekend, Tyrone are not out of the woods either.
The league game between them on March 19th comes less than a month before they meet in the Ulster championship. Which game is more important? The answer to that question may be the same as it ever was, but the question is no longer risible.
It is inconceivable that either Monaghan or Tyrone will be sanguine about a match that is critical to their continuing status as a Division One team. The difference in temperature between a league game and a provincial championship game has been significantly reduced, not just by the condensed calendar, but by the adjusted status of both competitions. Before long, the difference might be negligible.
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On review of the Peter Cooke sending off, what he done was very stupid but on TV there, it looked like the Monaghan man was holding him down with a semi head lock in the ground. No action against the Monaghan lad. Seriously what was Seal Kelly at, lying down like that.
Really poor stuff, went down ridiculously easy from barely a tap. Would hope that the likes won't be seen again.
Ref at fault for letting it get to the point it did when he could see it unfolding in front of him and not doing anything, Cooke stupid to rise to the opposition bait of course.
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
Ah, that year you broke the covid rules and got rewarded with a home relegation playoff in a game of inches. A tough one to take at the time alright, but one of the best things to happen in hindsight. There's great momentum in winning, and it lasted for the vast majority of last year.
You should have nothing to be worried about as long as you're confident you'll get straight back up. I do hope Monaghan stay up though, that lengthy stretch in D1 is a great achievement
Monaghan were punished for breaking covid rules and served their time which afterwards ended up in a play off in Clones. When you are beaten fair and square on the field of play you should take it on the chin like us Monaghan folk are well used to ;)
Just take on board that this year you failed to beat both Roscommon and Donegal, which we managed handily enough. The league is not a consistent affair but about who manages to stay afloat after 7 games.
8 points may not be enough for safety.
Donegal can only finish with a maximum of 7. Tyrone play monaghan and with both on 4 - I think - both cant finish on 8. 8 will keep you in div1
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
Ah, that year you broke the covid rules and got rewarded with a home relegation playoff in a game of inches. A tough one to take at the time alright, but one of the best things to happen in hindsight. There's great momentum in winning, and it lasted for the vast majority of last year.
You should have nothing to be worried about as long as you're confident you'll get straight back up. I do hope Monaghan stay up though, that lengthy stretch in D1 is a great achievement
Monaghan were punished for breaking covid rules and served their time which afterwards ended up in a play off in Clones. When you are beaten fair and square on the field of play you should take it on the chin like us Monaghan folk are well used to ;)
Just take on board that this year you failed to beat both Roscommon and Donegal, which we managed handily enough. The league is not a consistent affair but about who manages to stay afloat after 7 games.
8 points may not be enough for safety.
Donegal can only finish with a maximum of 7. Tyrone play monaghan and with both on 4 - I think - both cant finish on 8. 8 will keep you in div1
It's mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to get relegated on 8 points in an 8 team (7 match) league unless one team gets zero. Therefore 8 points is guaranteed to keep you up this year.
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Galway are safe on 6 pts anyway, hopefully won't be too interested in collecting the points in Armagh ... sure they need to think ahead to the 2024 league and 6000 Armagh supporters landing into Salthill for the weekend, bonanza for the local economy. Galway lads will hopefully see the bigger picture ;D
In what is the tightest of Division 1 campaigns teams would want to get at least 7 points to be sure of relegation.
Galway have an opportunity of reaching and winning a Div 1 title something they haven't done since 1981 and if they reach it Mayo will be the opposition whom will have more than on eye on their championship opener the following week.
1
Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
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I say unless there a miracle Donegal and Monaghan be going down.
Monaghan have never needed miracles to beat Tyrone in the league. We can't possibly play as bad as that 2nd half performance in Galway and notwithstanding it took Galway ages to get that game closing goal, even that had to handed on a plate to them.
Galway controlled that game handily and had it not been for a moment of madness (that the ref should've sorted far earlier) and 4/5 Beggan punts from soft frees, it probably would've been a double figure scoreline. Galway missed a gilt edged goal chance 15 mins before their actual one on 63 mins, and fisted another when a goal chance was glaring. Not sure Monaghan got within sight of a goal
Galway controlled all the second half yet it took the gifted goal near the end to put the required distance, from 2 points to 5. It was the worst half Monaghan have played this year, so I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet and considering Monaghan's shooting was much more wasteful in front of goal than Galway's. Nevertheless, we won't be relegating you this year. :)
Ah, that year you broke the covid rules and got rewarded with a home relegation playoff in a game of inches. A tough one to take at the time alright, but one of the best things to happen in hindsight. There's great momentum in winning, and it lasted for the vast majority of last year.
You should have nothing to be worried about as long as you're confident you'll get straight back up. I do hope Monaghan stay up though, that lengthy stretch in D1 is a great achievement
Monaghan were punished for breaking covid rules and served their time which afterwards ended up in a play off in Clones. When you are beaten fair and square on the field of play you should take it on the chin like us Monaghan folk are well used to ;)
Just take on board that this year you failed to beat both Roscommon and Donegal, which we managed handily enough. The league is not a consistent affair but about who manages to stay afloat after 7 games.
8 points may not be enough for safety.
Donegal can only finish with a maximum of 7. Tyrone play monaghan and with both on 4 - I think - both cant finish on 8. 8 will keep you in div1
It's mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to get relegated on 8 points in an 8 team (7 match) league unless one team gets zero. Therefore 8 points is guaranteed to keep you up this year.
Yes, the only way to get relegated on 8 points is if 7 teams finish on 8 pts and one finishes on 0 points.
It's possible to get relegated on 7 points but only if some very specific results were to happen, one of which is Tyrone and Monaghan drawing.
The likelihood of getting relegated on 7 pts is about .1%.
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1
Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
Donegal have never lost i believe to Mayo in Ballybofey.
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1
Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
Donegal have never lost i believe to Mayo in Ballybofey.
Donegal haven't lost to anyone in Ballybofey in the league for 12 years!!!
Monaghan beat us in Ballybofey last year.
But yes, we were unbeaten for a decade or so before that in the league.
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1
Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
Donegal have never lost i believe to Mayo in Ballybofey.
We lost to Mayo in Ballybofey in 2018 when Kevin McLoughlin scored a goal to get the draw and to relegate us. :( :( :(
Whoops! My mistake was reading an article from Feb 22 not Feb 23!
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Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
Donegal have never lost i believe to Mayo in Ballybofey.
We lost to Mayo in Ballybofey in 2018 when Kevin McLoughlin scored a goal to get the draw and to relegate us. :( :( :(
This post doesn't make a lick of sense especially when you consider the score that day was 0-13 to 0-13.
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1
Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
Donegal have never lost i believe to Mayo in Ballybofey.
We lost to Mayo in Ballybofey in 2018 when Kevin McLoughlin scored a goal to get the draw and to relegate us. :( :( :(
This post doesn't make a lick of sense especially when you consider the score that day was 0-13 to 0-13.
It's not complicated. We had to beat Mayo to stay up in the division. We were at home in our 'fortress'. We were 3 points up with seconds to go. We got relegated. No matter the score line there was a winner and a loser that day and it was the Mayo folks driving home smiling. So yes it was a draw, but it was really a loss.
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Mayo 5 3 2 0 92 73 8
2
Roscommon 5 3 0 2 72 68 6
3
Galway 5 2 2 1 66 58 6
4
Armagh 5 2 1 2 70 69 5
5
Kerry 5 2 0 3 77 76 4
6
Tyrone 5 2 0 3 74 81 4
7
Monaghan 5 2 0 3 76 84 4
8
Donegal 5 1 1 3 58 76 3
Next round of fixtures is as follows:
Armagh v Galway
Kerry v Roscommon
Monaghan v Tyrone
Donegal v Mayo
I think Kerry will beat Roscommon at home but the other games are all difficult to predict. Armagh and Galway will both want to guarantee their safety with a win. If Armagh lose they could go into the last game in Omagh needing points to stay up, which is definitely not ideal. The loser of Monaghan v Tyrone will also be in grave danger of relegation. Mayo are the only side guaranteed safety and subconsciously you would imagine that they are already in championship preparation mode. Donegal are playing them at a good time and they are difficult to beat in Ballybofey so it would not surprise me if Donegal won that match.
One thing for sure is that this might be the most open championship race we have had for about a decade. Kerry are probably still out in front in terms of their scoring threat and squad depth but they certainly don't look as capable of dominating as Dublin were in their pomp.
Donegal have never lost i believe to Mayo in Ballybofey.
We lost to Mayo in Ballybofey in 2018 when Kevin McLoughlin scored a goal to get the draw and to relegate us. :( :( :(
This post doesn't make a lick of sense especially when you consider the score that day was 0-13 to 0-13.
It's not complicated. We had to beat Mayo to stay up in the division. We were at home in our 'fortress'. We were 3 points up with seconds to go. We got relegated. No matter the score line there was a winner and a loser that day and it was the Mayo folks driving home smiling. So yes it was a draw, but it was really a loss.
It was the scoring a goal to equalise in a 0-13 a piece draw that particularly didn't make sense.
Mayo and Donegal have lost the same number of games at Ballybofey in the last 15 years!
From @statsandsolos on Twitter - probability survival % for different points.
Basically if you finish on 5 pts you'll be relegated, if you finish on 6 pts you're probably safe.
(https://tinypic.host/images/2023/03/09/20230309_112147.jpg)
Thought I'd resurrect the Division 1 thread. Six days and no posts - seems to be more interest in town squares, gender neutrality and landlordism :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0f8sdqc
Interesting week for Shane Walsh to go on the GAA Social.
Monaghan v Tyrone is a relegation 4 pointer.
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Thought I'd resurrect the Division 1 thread. Six days and no posts - seems to be more interest in town squares, gender neutrality and landlordism :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0f8sdqc
Interesting week for Shane Walsh to go on the GAA Social.
It's only a league match, would be surprising to see it the week of a Championship match maybe.
There are 3 teams on 4 plus Donegal on 3.
I assume that Kerry will be on 6 on Sunday evening.
That leaves Tyrone and Monaghan who are playing each other for 2 points.
Afterwards Monaghan have Mayo and
Tyrone have Armagh
Donegal have Mayo and Roscommon
It's going to be very interesting.
Dhera
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/15/tomas-o-se-not-concerned-about-kerrys-start-to-the-season/
Tomás Ó Sé is not about to fret over Kerry's middling start to the 2023 season.
The Kingdom have lost three of their opening five league games, but Ó Sé does not foresee Jack O'Connor's men sliding out of Division One. They have Roscommon and Galway to play in their remaining two matches and after that the focus will turn to championship. And come championship, Kerry will be ready.
"Kerry have the National League and they will then have a break to championship. And there are teams all over the country that don't have the gap Kerry do," says Ó Sé.
"Is it fair? I don't think it's fair but that's the way the provincial championship is and that is the argument that is always there.
I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
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I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Galway won't mind a league final with a gap between the final and the start of their first championship game. For finals to retain next year the pre season comps will have to be scrapped with the NFL to start early Jan instead.
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I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Galway won't mind a league final with a gap between the final and the start of their first championship game. For finals to retain next year the pre season comps will have to be scrapped with the NFL to start early Jan instead.
I don't think it's far to county teams to move the start into Jan when county championships have not been rationalised.
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I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Galway won't mind a league final with a gap between the final and the start of their first championship game. For finals to retain next year the pre season comps will have to be scrapped with the NFL to start early Jan instead.
I don't think it's far to county teams to move the start into Jan when county championships have not been rationalised.
club matches need to be finished in a calendar year.
Agreed Blowitup.
Probably need a cut off date for Co Finals to be enforced then. If you're not finished by such a date then you can't partake.
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I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Galway won't mind a league final with a gap between the final and the start of their first championship game. For finals to retain next year the pre season comps will have to be scrapped with the NFL to start early Jan instead.
I don't think it's far to county teams to move the start into Jan when county championships have not been rationalised.
club matches need to be finished in a calendar year.
The club finals need to be run in November. Club scheduling is a whorehouse at the moment
Quote from: illdecide on March 17, 2023, 12:22:15 PM
I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Armagh might still go down in that scenario. Monaghan could lose to Tyrone but beat Mayo leaving them on 6. Donegal could lose to Mayo but beat Roscommon which would leave them on 5 and whilst we would have the head to head over them Kerry could also end up on 5 by losing to Roscommon and drawing with Galway. So this game is crucial for Armagh. Even a win doesn't see them safe if Monaghan and Tyrone draw
Armagh v Galway preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdunbqnq5gw&t=2712s
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I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Armagh might still go down in that scenario. Monaghan could lose to Tyrone but beat Mayo leaving them on 6. Donegal could lose to Mayo but beat Roscommon which would leave them on 5 and whilst we would have the head to head over them Kerry could also end up on 5 by losing to Roscommon and drawing with Galway. So this game is crucial for Armagh. Even a win doesn't see them safe if Monaghan and Tyrone draw
Kerry only getting one point from Roscommon and Galway would be regarded as below par in the Kingdom. Bu let's hope that Armagh can at least draw with Galway and remove these permutations.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 17, 2023, 05:30:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 17, 2023, 12:22:15 PM
I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Armagh might still go down in that scenario. Monaghan could lose to Tyrone but beat Mayo leaving them on 6. Donegal could lose to Mayo but beat Roscommon which would leave them on 5 and whilst we would have the head to head over them Kerry could also end up on 5 by losing to Roscommon and drawing with Galway. So this game is crucial for Armagh. Even a win doesn't see them safe if Monaghan and Tyrone draw
If Armagh win they have 7. How can they be relegated ?
At least seven points you can relax. Stuck on 6,5,4 points going into round 7 and you'll be left to sweat it out.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 17, 2023, 09:09:19 PM
At least seven points you can relax. Stuck on 6,5,4 points going into round 7 and you'll be left to sweat it out.
Unless Donegal lose
Monaghan have Mayo I think in the last match so if Tyrone beat them the Axe effect should work
Galway team named, 3 changes from Monaghan starting 15.
Sean Fitzgerald, John Maher, and Shane Walsh come in for Eoghan Kelly, Rob Finnerty and the suspended Peter Cooke.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 17, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
Galway team named, 3 changes from Monaghan starting 15.
Sean Fitzgerald, John Maher, and Shane Walsh come in for Eoghan Kelly, Rob Finnerty and the suspended Peter Cooke.
Bit of a strange looking side unless there are changes. I guess Cooke is suspended and McDaid is probably carrying a knock.
Long haul tomorrow but thankfully staying the night.
Hope we can limit the margin and prevent damage to our score difference.
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I have a feeling for Galway this year for the All Ireland...It's wide open and TBH 50% of teams in Div 1 and top 2 in Div 2 have a chance of winning it. Very open this year and Galway have the players to do it.
As of this weekend I fear for Armagh...if we're beat tomorrow against Galway Tyrone could realastically relegate us the following Sunday, I suppose from an Armagh point of view we will want Tyrone to beat Monaghan this weekend and Mayo to beat Donegal which keeps us safe for another year but them two matches could easily go the other way. It's exciting that it's going down to the last game but not good for the nerves...All this talk about Mayo, Rossies and Galway not wanting to play in league decider due to Championship the following weeks hopefully is not true and they go out to perform as in previous rounds...
Armagh might still go down in that scenario. Monaghan could lose to Tyrone but beat Mayo leaving them on 6. Donegal could lose to Mayo but beat Roscommon which would leave them on 5 and whilst we would have the head to head over them Kerry could also end up on 5 by losing to Roscommon and drawing with Galway. So this game is crucial for Armagh. Even a win doesn't see them safe if Monaghan and Tyrone draw
If Armagh win they have 7. How can they be relegated ?
It's convoluted but possible.
Tyrone and Monaghan draw that would leave them on 5. Tyrone then beat Armagh leaving them on 7 whilst Monaghan beat Mayo leaving Monaghan on seven.
Kerry beat Roscommon but draw with Galway would leave both Kerry and Galway on 7. Then Roscommon beat or draw with Donegal leaving them on 8 or 7. If we say Mayo beat Donegal and Roscommon draw with them then the final table could be.
Mayo 10
Roscommon 7
Galway 7
Kerry 7
Armagh 7
Monaghan 7
Tyrone 7
Donegal 4
Should this be on the wtf thread
Looking forward to watching both the rugby and the armagh game today but sone wonderful scheduling has denied me thr pleasure. Fantastic
Hopefully, Ireland will get so far ahead that you'll be able to turn over to the Armagh game for somthing more competitive.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 11:24:34 AM
Looking forward to watching both the rugby and the armagh game today but sone wonderful scheduling has denied me thr pleasure. Fantastic
True gaels will of course choose Armagh v Galway.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 11:24:34 AM
Looking forward to watching both the rugby and the armagh game today but sone wonderful scheduling has denied me thr pleasure. Fantastic
The rugby hould have been moved away from the Armagh Galway game.
Winning 5 games in a row is not that big an achievement.
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Looking forward to watching both the rugby and the armagh game today but sone wonderful scheduling has denied me thr pleasure. Fantastic
True gaels will of course choose Armagh v Galway.
Armagh have sold a fair few tickets even with the rain so their support will hold up.
Hopefully the orchard get a result
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Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 11:24:34 AM
Looking forward to watching both the rugby and the armagh game today but sone wonderful scheduling has denied me thr pleasure. Fantastic
True gaels will of course choose Armagh v Galway.
Armagh have sold a fair few tickets even with the rain so their support will hold up.
Hopefully the orchard get a result
The rain should clear away before the game. The future is bright and hopefully orange.
Don't think armagh are going anywhere with the current management set up. Fresh voice in there could take them to the next level.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 12:20:35 PM
Don't think armagh are going anywhere with the current management set up. Fresh voice in there could take them to the next level.
This is what scares me tbh. They have a fantastic young group of players. They aren't that far away.
I suggest sticking with geezer then, lol
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Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 11:24:34 AM
Looking forward to watching both the rugby and the armagh game today but sone wonderful scheduling has denied me thr pleasure. Fantastic
True gaels will of course choose Armagh v Galway.
Armagh have sold a fair few tickets even with the rain so their support will hold up.
Hopefully the orchard get a result
Rain is good for orchards
Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 12:20:35 PM
Don't think armagh are going anywhere with the current management set up. Fresh voice in there could take them to the next level.
What next level? They are now comfortably a top 8 side and could have claims to be a top 4 team. I'm not sure about McGeeneys tactical nous and can't understand how they have drifted back into a safe possession based running game after last years championship campaign but I'd still be careful what to wish for. He has taken this Armagh team forward with a group of players who have had no real underage pedigree for a decade and where the standard of club football is probably not great when you compare it to other neighbouring counties.
Just 1 early score by Armagh in this match thus far 13 minutes played.
1pt after 15mins, dire stuff!
Armagh goal. Gleeson caught out with a high ball. 1-2 to 0-0 after 22 minutes.
Galway after about 10 attacks finally get a score after 26 minutes.
HT Armagh 1-4 Galway 0-3.
Shocking stuff
Only scored 1-2 when Galway was held scoreless and the goal was a lucky one, could that prove costly? Galway are sure to have a purple patch in this match.
Galway's folks, who is the Galway sub keeper or even the Galway utd keeper? Even as a neutral conor gleeson would break your heart
Poor game to watch.
This is f**king infuriating stuff at this stage with Gleeson giving up handy goals.
Galway would be in great shape with the elements to come only for the goal but really up against it now as any goal massive in such a low scoring game.
Quote from: scout on March 18, 2023, 05:41:42 PM
Galway's folks, who is the Galway sub keeper or even the Galway utd keeper? Even as a neutral conor gleeson would break your heart
Imagine how we feel!!
Sub keeper is the Corofin goalie Bernard Power.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 18, 2023, 05:48:06 PM
This is f**king infuriating stuff at this stage with Gleeson giving up handy goals.
Galway would be in great shape with the elements to come only for the goal but really up against it now as any goal massive in such a low scoring game.
More than just Gleeson. A few Galway defenders didn't deal with that high ball.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 18, 2023, 05:48:06 PM
This is f**king infuriating stuff at this stage with Gleeson giving up handy goals.
Galway would be in great shape with the elements to come only for the goal but really up against it now as any goal massive in such a low scoring game.
Don't know what to say anymore about his continued selection.
It's clear that the only reason is because he has a long kickout that maybe they think can be kicked over a high press - that's the only possible explanation.
That's not much good to you when you're costing your team a goal a game!
Three points in a row for Galway. 50 mins played Armagh 1-5 Galway 0-6
His own lad sort pushed the keeper bck behind the line, couldnt get out to get anything on it.
Fitzmaurice on commentary about the J Og Burns turnover: "he got one of those a few weeks ago against Donegal so you're not going to get them all the time".
Should it not be a goal of the organisation to have consistent application of the rules? Why is it just an accepted thing that tackles can be refereed so differently from one week to the next?
Edit it's Eamon Fitzmaurice not O'Se
Armagh with just 1 score in this half and that came from a tap over free. 60 mins played still the same score Armagh 1-5 Galway 0-6
1-5 to 0-7 63 minutes on the clock.
Black card there!
Sides are level 1-5 to 0-8. 69 mins played.
Goal for Galway! Thats two bad goals given away by goalkeepers today.
I know Derry play this way too, mainly due to lack of scoring forwards, but this defensive style does not suit Armagh, they better forwards, defenders not as good. Less say about both goalkeepers. Armagh not win a, Ulster Championship this way, foreby a all-Ireland.
Having watched Armagh against Donegal and now against Galway, I never want to see them play again.
Armagh still do stupid stuff,
FT Armagh 1-6 Galway 1-8. Truly awful half of football for the home side though could have nicked it with a late goal chance, battle on their hands to avoid the drop now.
Armagh were as bad against Donegal but had the benefit of that ref who seemed to lose his mind
Armagh don't deserve to stay up this year
Desperate poor stuff from Armagh in that 2nd half with Tyrone to play could be heading back to Division two.
We need to say a few Novenas that John Dalys injury is not serious.
The lynchpin of our defence.
That's three arm wrestling contests Galway have had in this league, 1 win,1 draw and 1 loss. Opportunity to reach the final v Kerry next. Armagh decision making and shot selection was hopeless and will probably have to hope for favours elsewhere on the final day to avoid relegation.
Armagh are always playing the percentages lately trying to eek out the win, this NFL has been awful to watch, We'll be doing well to stay up now.
Quote from: galwayman on March 18, 2023, 06:48:03 PM
We need to say a few Novenas that John Dalys injury is not serious.
The lynchpin of our defence.
The lynchpin of the whole team to be honest, forget the summer if that's a bad injury, we've no one that can do what he does at the back reading the game and then going forward in terms of passing. He's one of the top 3 most important players for Galway.
Brutal bad game that will soon be forgotten about but Galway dogged out that rare D1 away win, which was great to see.
Safe and sound in Div 1 now, will be interested to see the team that lines out next Sunday against the AI champs.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Armagh don't deserve to stay up this year
They have just been beaten by a very good team. Monaghan are more likely to go down anyway.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 18, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
Desperate poor stuff from Armagh in that 2nd half with Tyrone to play could be heading back to Division two.
Armagh were brutal. When you think that their goal game from a mistake, they were totally devoid of ideas up front.
Then again, I think Galway will be back in the All-Ireland this year.
So maybe that was part of the reason for Armagh's poor play, i.e. they were not let play well.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Armagh don't deserve to stay up this year
They have just been beaten by a very good team. Monaghan are more likely to go down anyway.
Not just basing it on tofay. We have been brutal all year
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Quote from: An Watcher on March 18, 2023, 12:20:35 PM
Don't think armagh are going anywhere with the current management set up. Fresh voice in there could take them to the next level.
What next level? They are now comfortably a top 8 side and could have claims to be a top 4 team. I'm not sure about McGeeneys tactical nous and can't understand how they have drifted back into a safe possession based running game after last years championship campaign but I'd still be careful what to wish for. He has taken this Armagh team forward with a group of players who have had no real underage pedigree for a decade and where the standard of club football is probably not great when you compare it to other neighbouring counties.
Armagh have made great progress in recent years but very hard to see on what grounds they could credibly claim to be a top 4 team at this stage. Haven't got near an All Ireland or won Ulster so there is absolutely another level above where Armagh have been operating. Time will tell if they can reach that level.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 18, 2023, 06:19:49 PM
Fitzmaurice on commentary about the J Og Burns turnover: "he got one of those a few weeks ago against Donegal so you're not going to get them all the time".
Should it not be a goal of the organisation to have consistent application of the rules? Why is it just an accepted thing that tackles can be refereed so differently from one week to the next?
Edit it's Eamon Fitzmaurice not O'Se
What's a tackle in the gaa?
That's the problem.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Armagh don't deserve to stay up this year
They have just been beaten by a very good team. Monaghan are more likely to go down anyway.
Not just basing it on tofay. We have been brutal all year
An béal bocht. They are only 2 points behind Galway.
You have to be really shite to go down.
Armagh got exactly what they deserved. From being the great entertainers of last years championship we have become the great bores of this years League. I'll not be in any rush to go watch them again if they continue to persist with this rugby league form of football. As a spectacle it was a dire match and it seems like only when we fall behind in a game do we ever seem to throw any caution to the wind.
We may well now face a do or die match in Omagh to stay up and given our form of late I wouldn't be overly confident of winning there either.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 18, 2023, 06:34:13 PM
I know Derry play this way too, mainly due to lack of scoring forwards, but this defensive style does not suit Armagh, they better forwards, defenders not as good. Less say about both goalkeepers. Armagh not win a, Ulster Championship this way, foreby a all-Ireland.
There's too many players in gaelic football nowadays...who do nothing and I mean that.
About 8 players on each team is to have no positive effect on the game. Pass the ball sideways, kick a free back/sideline backwards. It rampant in gaelic football nowadays. They have no role jbut to run about and pass the ball 5 yards sideways.
This is looking like a routine Kerry win. Roscommon so loose defensively. Left Clifford free for an easy goal. 10 mins gone Kerry 1-3 Roscommon 0-0
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 18, 2023, 07:43:59 PM
This is looking like a routine Kerry win. Roscommon so loose defensively. Left Clifford free for an easy goal. 10 mins gone Kerry 1-3 Roscommon 0-0
Yeah Roscommon very slack in the opening 10 with Kerry looking very lively.
Quote from: seafoid on March 18, 2023, 07:36:37 PM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Armagh don't deserve to stay up this year
They have just been beaten by a very good team. Monaghan are more likely to go down anyway.
Not just basing it on tofay. We have been brutal all year
An béal bocht. They are only 2 points behind Galway.
You have to be really shite to go down.
From what I've seen from Galway, they're no better than any of the teams in danger of relegation
Rossies just looking awful tonight
The Rossie goal this year was no more yo yo. Mission almost accomplished.
Armagh's shooting hasn't improved since last year.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
Armagh don't deserve to stay up this year
They have just been beaten by a very good team. Monaghan are more likely to go down anyway.
Not just basing it on tofay. We have been brutal all year
An béal bocht. They are only 2 points behind Galway.
You have to be really shite to go down.
From what I've seen from Galway, they're no better than any of the teams in danger of relegation
Absolutely a better team than Monaghan anyway.
Roscommon have improved towards the end of that match but will have to improve further to stand any chance of pulling off even a draw. HT Kerry 1-7 Roscommon 0-5
Kerry 1-7 Roscommon 0-5 HT
Roscommon came into it as the game went on.
Kerry 7 wides Roscommon 2 says it all about who has been posing more of the attacking threat.
4 out of 5 of Roscommon's scores from deadballs.
Kerry playing well and most effective when kicking the ball in. Although he missed his own free Donal O Sullivan is very sharp. I like his style. Roscommon plugging away. However look at the balls their forwards are getting as opposed to kerry at the other end. Day and night.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on March 18, 2023, 08:22:10 PM
Kerry playing well and most effective when kicking the ball in. Although he missed his own free Donal O Sullivan is very sharp. I like his style. Roscommon plugging away. However look at the balls their forwards are getting as opposed to kerry at the other end. Day and night.
Kerry aren't leaving the spaces in defence for such balls in either.
Kerry poor enough, matter of fact they been fairly average most of the league, gotta be a worry long term.
Takes Roscommon to half time to wake up, been like that past few games.
Roscommon more competitive now. Kerry leading 1-7 to 0-8 45 minutes played.
I think Kerry have deliberately ignored the league this year in terms of their training programme. Something which the great Dublin side never done, they were ultra consistent from start to end of season. Which tells you that Kerry probably don't have the squad depth we think they might as they are still very heavily dependent on a few players.
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 18, 2023, 06:34:13 PM
I know Derry play this way too, mainly due to lack of scoring forwards, but this defensive style does not suit Armagh, they better forwards, defenders not as good. Less say about both goalkeepers. Armagh not win a, Ulster Championship this way, foreby a all-Ireland.
There's too many players in gaelic football nowadays...who do nothing and I mean that.
About 8 players on each team is to have no positive effect on the game. Pass the ball sideways, kick a free back/sideline backwards. It rampant in gaelic football nowadays. They have no role jbut to run about and pass the ball 5 yards sideways.
That's the problem when there's 30 players and only one ball. Wonder what sort of game it would be with two refs and 2 footballs
It's how bad their forwards are, take out Clifford, who obviously needs a long rest and their forward line average.
Quote from: galwayman on March 18, 2023, 06:48:03 PM
We need to say a few Novenas that John Dalys injury is not serious.
The lynchpin of our defence.
Hopefully just a precaution that he came off but given his injury history you'd be worried until word comes out either way.
Some score by David Clifford!
Kerry 1 - 12
Roscommon 0 - 12
Sin e
Slow start from Roscommon hurt them in the end. Kerry hard to beat on home soil.But they don't look themselves.
Credit to Roscommon went down fighting, will be kicking themselves with the slow start. Possible penalty call at the end, have seen them given for less.
Kerry no3 should be up for an academy reward after that BS the end of the game.
btw, anybody think that was a penalty at the very end
I thought it was a penalty Kerry player through the leg out to trip Rossi forward.
Holy shit just watched it back.
Stonewall penalty, Kerry #8 tripped him.
FFS what the hell were the umpires thinking or not thinking.
Such incompetence.
Quote from: joemamas on March 18, 2023, 09:10:41 PM
Kerry no3 should be up for an academy reward after that BS the end of the game.
btw, anybody think that was a penalty at the very end
Then posing for photographs after game.
how did he get a yellow not a black.
Ref and his officials may have a bit of explaining to do on that last sequence
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on March 18, 2023, 09:12:53 PM
I thought it was a penalty Kerry player through the leg out to trip Rossi forward.
Jack O'Connor won't be crying about referee this week.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on March 18, 2023, 09:12:53 PM
I thought it was a penalty Kerry player through the leg out to trip Rossi forward.
Thought it should've been a penalty but as we've seen throughout this League home advantage is worth an awful lot when it comes to referees being influenced whether subconscious or not.
Quote from: joemamas on March 18, 2023, 09:19:03 PM
how did he get a yellow not a black.
Ref and his officials may have a bit of explaining to do on that last sequence
Did he trip him? I don't think was deliberate pull down.
Kerry very cynical in last 8 mins.
Tripping anything that moved.
Quote from: joemamas on March 18, 2023, 09:15:33 PM
Holy shit just watched it back.
Stonewall penalty, Kerry #8 tripped him.
FFS what the hell were the umpires thinking or not thinking.
Such incompetence.
Should have been a black card for the Kerry number 8 for an attempt to trip but I thought that it was outside the square.
I don't think Foley comitted any foul.
Not sure what he got the yellow for - falling awkwardly ?
Quote from: Gael85 on March 18, 2023, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on March 18, 2023, 09:12:53 PM
I thought it was a penalty Kerry player through the leg out to trip Rossi forward.
Jack O'Connor won't be crying about referee this week.
A joke of a decision at the end. Refs are worth about 3 points a game to Kerry, it's laughable they even have the front to complain, some greedy hoors.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 18, 2023, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: joemamas on March 18, 2023, 09:19:03 PM
how did he get a yellow not a black.
Ref and his officials may have a bit of explaining to do on that last sequence
Did he trip him? I don't think was deliberate pull down.
Looked a fairly blatant attempt to trip (that failed) while also pulling him back (as opposed to down) by the number 8.
The full-back Foley didn't look to have committed any yellow card offence to me.
Stonewall black for No. 8 for me for attempted tripping.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2023, 07:36:45 PM
Armagh got exactly what they deserved. From being the great entertainers of last years championship we have become the great bores of this years League. I'll not be in any rush to go watch them again if they continue to persist with this rugby league form of football. As a spectacle it was a dire match and it seems like only when we fall behind in a game do we ever seem to throw any caution to the wind.
We may well now face a do or die match in Omagh to stay up and given our form of late I wouldn't be overly confident of winning there either.
If it's do or die for Tyrone they will have lost to Monaghan meaning they are shite. So I would expect armagh to beat them.
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on March 18, 2023, 06:19:49 PM
Fitzmaurice on commentary about the J Og Burns turnover: "he got one of those a few weeks ago against Donegal so you're not going to get them all the time".
Should it not be a goal of the organisation to have consistent application of the rules? Why is it just an accepted thing that tackles can be refereed so differently from one week to the next?
Edit it's Eamon Fitzmaurice not O'Se
What's a tackle in the gaa?
That's the problem.
Yes that's my point. The tackle isn't defined and the rulebook is a mess. It's in the GAA culture to accept this, with comments like the above, rather than address the issue.
Kerry just about hung on there in end. A number of home ref decisions throughout the match and Kerry very clinical with their fouling, not sure how the ref, umpires didn't see that challenge on Cian McKeon in the box and not give a penalty.
Mayo, Galway, Roscommon and Kerry are the four possibles for the final.
Most likely is Mayo and one from Galway or Roscommon but Kerry can sneak in if they beat Galway and results go their way.
Only Mayo completely safe from relegation but Galway, Roscommon and Kerry most likely safe on 6.
For the remaining 4 it's a case of if they don't win their remaining games the odds of being relegated shoots up.
Galway are 100% safe from relegation already after the win tonight.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 18, 2023, 09:37:53 PM
Galway are 100% safe from relegation already after the win tonight.
You're right I had them still on 6 points as opposed to 8.
Having watched those 2 games tonight I feel worn out by the state of Gaelic football. It's definitely a grind watching 2 games back to back. You do keep watching in the hope that you might eventually see a physical contest with a bit more risk averse football but most of the games are slow, lateral, boring, unimaginative possession based affairs. We are truly in the era of over coaching.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2023, 07:36:45 PM
Armagh got exactly what they deserved. From being the great entertainers of last years championship we have become the great bores of this years League. I'll not be in any rush to go watch them again if they continue to persist with this rugby league form of football. As a spectacle it was a dire match and it seems like only when we fall behind in a game do we ever seem to throw any caution to the wind.
We may well now face a do or die match in Omagh to stay up and given our form of late I wouldn't be overly confident of winning there either.
I dont get this rugby league form of football saying. Rugby league is a very exciting game to watch. Whatever it is that Armagh are trying to do is not
I actually tend to watch my big collection of 90's /00's fball if am bored. Watching Gaelic as a neutral so hard these days. It's hard enough watching my own team to be honest.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2023, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2023, 07:36:45 PM
Armagh got exactly what they deserved. From being the great entertainers of last years championship we have become the great bores of this years League. I'll not be in any rush to go watch them again if they continue to persist with this rugby league form of football. As a spectacle it was a dire match and it seems like only when we fall behind in a game do we ever seem to throw any caution to the wind.
We may well now face a do or die match in Omagh to stay up and given our form of late I wouldn't be overly confident of winning there either.
I dont get this rugby league form of football saying. Rugby league is a very exciting game to watch. Whatever it is that Armagh are trying to do is not
Agreed
Rugby league is excellent.
Quote from: joemamas on March 18, 2023, 07:16:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 18, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
Desperate poor stuff from Armagh in that 2nd half with Tyrone to play could be heading back to Division two.
Armagh were brutal. When you think that their goal game from a mistake, they were totally devoid of ideas up front.
Then again, I think Galway will be back in the All-Ireland this year.
So maybe that was part of the reason for Armagh's poor play, i.e. they were not let play well.
Both goals came from poor goalkeeping. Loads of options for scores for Armagh wrong options taken time after time the longer the game went on and still could have won that game. Galway was nothing special just did the basics right 2nd half. They'll need to improve a lot if they are to get back to All Ireland final this year.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 18, 2023, 09:37:53 PM
Galway are 100% safe from relegation already after the win tonight.
It looks like the 2 promoted teams will stay up. Of course Galway should never have been relegated.
Armagh have been brutal all season, tactics poor and too conservative .
We seem to change from year to year and given we are nearly 8 years in that is shocking .
Roscommon and Galway second half's were probably as bad as I have witnessed in years in the league
Won't even countenance Ballyboffey last year .
Next Sunday is a must win for the manager , he has nowhere to hide as county board have backed this team .
If only we could start playing from the throw in.....
Need wins today for Rhus and Monaghan to be safe.
Otherwise it's must win next Sunday.
I suppose we'd have taken that before a ball was kicked.
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If only we could start playing from the throw in.....
Need wins today for Rhus and Monaghan to be safe.
Otherwise it's must win next Sunday.
I suppose we'd have taken that before a ball was kicked.
Dramarama. Aren't Ros playing donegal next Sunday ?
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 19, 2023, 11:07:20 AM
If only we could start playing from the throw in.....
Need wins today for Rhus and Monaghan to be safe.
Otherwise it's must win next Sunday.
I suppose we'd have taken that before a ball was kicked.
Dramarama. Aren't Ros playing donegal next Sunday ?
Donegals need greater than Mayo with a good record in Ballybofey, get something out of today's match they'll be fighting like tigers to win in the Hyde the following week.
Monaghan v Tyrone coming up shortly the winner will more or less retain Div 1 status. Clones has been the venue that has basically kept Monaghan up over the last few years and they will be hoping for the same today. Tyrone looked more like themselves v Kerry but can they build on that win?
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 19, 2023, 11:07:20 AM
If only we could start playing from the throw in.....
Need wins today for Rhus and Monaghan to be safe.
Otherwise it's must win next Sunday.
I suppose we'd have taken that before a ball was kicked.
Dramarama. Aren't Ros playing donegal next Sunday ?
Donegals need greater than Mayo with a good record in Ballybofey, get something out of today's match they'll be fighting like tigers to win in the Hyde the following week.
Monaghan v Tyrone coming up shortly the winner will more or less retain Div 1 status. Clones has been the venue that has basically kept Monaghan up over the last few years and they will be hoping for the same today. Tyrone looked more like themselves v Kerry but can they build on that win?
Two very important matches today
Tyrone ahead by a goal.
Radio link ?
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
He's another ref who can see things 40yards away but not 4
Feet in front of him
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
He's another ref who can see things 40yards away but not 4
Feet in front of him
Ye are getting as bad as Armagh for crying about refs. The idea a Cavan man would show bias to Monaghan is ridiculous
HALF-TIME: Monaghan 0-08 Tyrone 2-05
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
He's another ref who can see things 40yards away but not 4
Feet in front of him
Ye are getting as bad as Armagh for crying about refs. The idea a Cavan man would show bias to Monaghan is ridiculous
Joe is not your average Cavan man FFS! ;)
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HALF-TIME: Monaghan 0-08 Tyrone 2-05
Tyrone 2-5 from 10 shots and Monaghan 0-8 from 11 shots.
Forward pulled the neck off hampseys shirt and a free in. Then foul on the keeper when it should have been a free in.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
He's another ref who can see things 40yards away but not 4
Feet in front of him
Ye are getting as bad as Armagh for crying about refs. The idea a Cavan man would show bias to Monaghan is ridiculous
Joe is not your average Cavan man FFS! ;)
Dislike of Monaghan is a universal Cavan trait.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
He's another ref who can see things 40yards away but not 4
Feet in front of him
Ye are getting as bad as Armagh for crying about refs. The idea a Cavan man would show bias to Monaghan is ridiculous
Joe is not your average Cavan man FFS! ;)
Dislike of Monaghan is a universal Cavan trait.
Actions are currently speaking louder than words.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 19, 2023, 02:35:49 PM
Forward pulled the neck off hampseys shirt and a free in. Then foul on the keeper when it should have been a free in.
Slapping a goalie on both his arms from behind is a free, especially when it's in the small square.
How on earth was that a black card for mccarron?
That seems awful harsh on McCarron. Think he made a genuine attempt for the ball moving at speed. To see red for it because he got a yellow already before the black card, seems very unfair.
Clear black. He fell and used his hand to trip Tyrone player. Black card and he had yellow just before half time. Pure stupid by the player.
Back to 5 points
Quote from: Itchy on March 19, 2023, 02:47:13 PM
Clear black. He fell and used his hand to trip Tyrone player. Black card and he had yellow just before half time. Pure stupid by the player.
You might be right. A player in front was blocking the view of the camera but he might have hand tripped him on the ground. Nothing wrong with his initial challenge alright.
Looks done and dusted with Tyrone 6 points ahead and the man advantage. As type another red for Monaghan.
Some recovery from Myler, I thought he was looking like an amputation was required.
Tyrone gonna Tyrone. . .
Monaghan are a poor outfit god love them.
WTF Joe!
Quote from: Itchy on March 19, 2023, 02:54:17 PM
Some recovery from Myler, I thought he was looking like an amputation was required.
Same here. Would like to see what happened
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Some recovery from Myler, I thought he was looking like an amputation was required.
I thought his season a was over there myself. Although a bang to the shin would sting for a while.couldnt see what happened though.
Also I don't think the pain/seriousness of the injury has anything to do with the card. Lots of red cards happened with injury
Monaghan are going down in style.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
WTF Joe!
I text him at half time and told him what you said about him, he wasn't happy and said he'd sort it in the 2nd half
Tyrone are poor enough considering they are 2 players up
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
WTF Joe!
I text him at half time and told him what you said about him, he wasn't happy and said he'd sort it in the 2nd half
Good man, but not looking for any favours, just impartiality in all aspects. ;)
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
Joe doing a right job of keeping Monaghan in the game, who have only scored the single point from play.
He's some boy Joe, I thought Cavan people weren't fond of Mongahan wans? Some of those frees were laughable.
He's another ref who can see things 40yards away but not 4
Feet in front of him
Ye are getting as bad as Armagh for crying about refs. The idea a Cavan man would show bias to Monaghan is ridiculous
I am an Armagh man haha. It was a general comment about him
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Tyrone are poor enough considering they are 2 players up
Yep, playing very conservatively, considering.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
WTF Joe!
I text him at half time and told him what you said about him, he wasn't happy and said he'd sort it in the 2nd half
Good man, but not looking for any favours, just impartiality in all aspects. ;)
Do you genuinely believe that Joe McQuillan is not impartial and is favouring Monaghan?
Two middling outfits.. Monaghans div1 days look to be over..
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
WTF Joe!
I text him at half time and told him what you said about him, he wasn't happy and said he'd sort it in the 2nd half
Good man, but not looking for any favours, just impartiality in all aspects. ;)
Do you genuinely believe that Joe McQuillan is not impartial and is favouring Monaghan?
Ah look, some of the Monaghan men frees in the first half were jokes, but no, on balance, like any good referee s/he must be colour-blind re the jerseys, though my problem with Joe is more of an inconsistency issue, not an impartiality issue
per se.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
WTF Joe!
I text him at half time and told him what you said about him, he wasn't happy and said he'd sort it in the 2nd half
Good man, but not looking for any favours, just impartiality in all aspects. ;)
Do you genuinely believe that Joe McQuillan is not impartial and is favouring Monaghan?
Ah look, some of the Monaghan men frees in the first half were jokes, but no, on balance, like any good referee s/he must be colour-blind re the jerseys, though my problem with Joe is more of an inconsistency issue, not an impartiality issue per se.
A lot of refs have that problem
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2023, 01:03:34 PM
Donegals need greater than Mayo with a good record in Ballybofey, get something out of today's match they'll be fighting like tigers to win in the Hyde the following week.
Monaghan v Tyrone coming up shortly the winner will more or less retain Div 1 status. Clones has been the venue that has basically kept Monaghan up over the last few years and they will be hoping for the same today. Tyrone looked more like themselves v Kerry but can they build on that win?
Clones might work for non-Ulster opposition, but it's virtually a 2nd home for the like of Tír Eoghain -- surprised that Monaghan didn't try to locate this fixture in Inniskeen, for example, where our record against them is fairly abysmal.
Good win to pretty much guarantee div 1 football. Dirty day for decent football but job done. Now on to next week to relegate the apple munchers.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 19, 2023, 03:02:25 PM
Tyrone are poor enough considering they are 2 players up
Yep, playing very conservatively, considering.
There were certainly some positives in the first half in particular but Tyrone were pretty flat after the red cards. You could make an argument that they played within themselves and still won easily but certainly lacked the intensity of the Kerry game, although perhaps that was inevitable in the circumstances. Darragh was excellent again and good to see McCurry getting some nice scores. Ultimately its another 2 points and big swing against Monaghan if it ended up coming down to score difference.
Will need to play better against Armagh.
Tyrone were able to kick on in round 4 . Monaghan seem to run on limited energy.
If they did get relegated they would be in the top few teams. It wouldn't do them any harm.
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Good win to pretty much guarantee div 1 football. Dirty day for decent football but job done. Now on to next week to relegate the apple munchers.
Don't think so ye trainless throne bastads!! We'll bate the shite out of yiz easily
Near choked on my drink laughing at that. Calm down son. If armagh focused on football instead of this hard man attitude they would have won a few AIs
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Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2023, 03:22:52 PM
Good win to pretty much guarantee div 1 football. Dirty day for decent football but job done. Now on to next week to relegate the apple munchers.
Don't think so ye trainless throne bastads!! We'll bate the shite out of yiz easily
Calm down, calm down! If Mayo win in Ballybofey we're safe (other results falling into line), so we'll only be beating your lot for fun, and fun it shall be! ;D
Half time Donegal 0-6 Mayo 0-11. Donegal have the wind advantage 2nd half.
Need a few long range points from Thompson, Langan and Mogan this half.
Mayo look physically stronger and sharper though, winning all the loose ball all over the field.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2023, 04:24:01 PM
Half time Donegal 0-6 Mayo 0-11. Donegal have the wind advantage 2nd half.
They certainly did not have heart or determination advantage in the first half.
For a team that is hanging on to Division 1 status by a thread, they don't seem to be overly eager.
Not sure why but I always though shaun patton was an unlikeable p***k
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 19, 2023, 04:31:04 PM
Not sure why but I always though shaun patton was an unlikeable p***k
If you have no reason for saying it, maybe you shouldn't say it?
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Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2023, 03:22:52 PM
Good win to pretty much guarantee div 1 football. Dirty day for decent football but job done. Now on to next week to relegate the apple munchers.
Don't think so ye trainless throne bastads!! We'll bate the shite out of yiz easily
Calm down, calm down! If Mayo win in Ballybofey we're safe (other results falling into line), so we'll only be beating your lot for fun, and fun it shall be! ;D
Revenge for the Athletic Grounds 4.
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Not sure why but I always though shaun patton was an unlikeable p***k
If you have no reason for saying it, maybe you shouldn't say it?
Well the reason I say it is that he's always mouthing even when he fouled the ball and dived to try and win a free out there against oshea he was mouthing at the ref even though he was completely in the wrong.
Suppose actually I do know.. Cause he is at it every game.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 19, 2023, 04:31:04 PM
Not sure why but I always though shaun patton was an unlikeable p***k
If you have no reason for saying it, maybe you shouldn't say it?
Tyrone08 has a hard on for Donegal no matter who the player.
Must have got some hassle in The Golden Grill or The Abbey back in the day.
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Not sure why but I always though shaun patton was an unlikeable p***k
If you have no reason for saying it, maybe you shouldn't say it?
Tyrone08 has a hard on for Donegal no matter who the player.
Must have got some hassle in The Golden Grill or The Abbey back in the day.
??? I say one thing against one Donegal player and suddenly I have a hard on lol.
Actually I was always fond of a few of the Donegal players but it doest change that patton is alway shouting at something
Looking like Mayo's first ever win in Ballybofey Donegal 0-6 Mayo 1-11 40 mins gone
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 19, 2023, 04:31:04 PM
Not sure why but I always though shaun patton was an unlikeable p***k
If you have no reason for saying it, maybe you shouldn't say it?
Tyrone08 has a hard on for Donegal no matter who the player.
Must have got some hassle in The Golden Grill or The Abbey back in the day.
??? I say one thing against one Donegal player and suddenly I have a hard on lol.
Actually I was always fond of a few of the Donegal players but it doest change that patton is alway shouting at something
Really?
I could have sworn I've read you on here quite a few times talking shit about Murphy and Ryan McHugh and others.
I guess I must be wrong then.
Mayo are slick. They will hammer Monaghan and save Armagh
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Looking like Mayo's first ever win in Ballybofey Donegal 0-6 Mayo 1-11 40 mins gone
Yep. They're streets ahead of us, even on intensity.
Quote from: seafoid on March 19, 2023, 04:56:04 PM
Mayo are slick. They will hammer Monaghan and save Armagh
Truth be told, Donegal are absolutely brutal.
Donegal county board in for a kicking from ex All Ireland winning team players. A management team of Kavanagh, Lacey & McGuinness slipped through the net without much of a fight. Lacey & all coaches abandon the well run Academy. Things are looking desperate for Donegal. Paddy Carr will probably only last the year, tough back drop to come into.
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Mayo are slick. They will hammer Monaghan and save Armagh
Truth be told, Donegal are absolutely brutal.
Have the look and feel of a relegated side who will be making up the numbers in the championship.
Apart from Ban Gallagher, I don't think we've a single player out there who would get anywhere near a regular spot on that Mayo team on today's showing.
Kevin Mc Stay, in fairness, has worked some magic with that Mayo side so far -- when you see Aidan O'Shea so comfortably easing them over the bar, you can appreciate that there's some wizardry on the managerial controls.
Quote from: J70 on March 19, 2023, 05:04:50 PM
Apart from Ban Gallagher, I don't think we've a single player out there who would get anywhere near a regular spot on that Mayo team on today's showing.
Patton in goals would surely challenge for the goal-keeping spot I'd imagine but yeah a lot of very low marks throughout the Donegal team today,
Quote from: J70 on March 19, 2023, 05:04:50 PM
Apart from Ban Gallagher, I don't think we've a single player out there who would get anywhere near a regular spot on that Mayo team on today's showing.
In fairness, when things are not going your way, it seems like that. A different day and a few things going your way and it's surprising how different players look.
Gallen looked like he did his hamstring there.
Absolutely brutal luck for him. He's never got a proper run at senior level due to injuries. And this was the year he was supposed to push on with Murphy gone and McBrearty out.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 05:08:42 PM
Kevin Mc Stay, in fairness, has worked some magic with that Mayo side so far -- when you see Aidan O'Shea so comfortably easing them over the bar, you can appreciate that there's some wizardry on the managerial controls.
And his management team which includes Stephen Rochford,Liam McHale and Donie Buckley. Plus the work with those on strength and conditioning which has them at championship pace already.
Aidan O'Shea is flying atm.
Am I right in thinking Tyrone are now safe? Monaghan can catch us but we've the head to head plus a +17 point difference.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2023, 05:16:50 PM
Am I right in thinking Tyrone are now safe? Monaghan can catch us but we've the head to head plus a +17 point difference.
Not quite, Roscommon also on 6 points (equal PD) and Kerry (better PD) too, but would be unlucky -- need to beat the Apple Munchers just to be sure, to be sure. :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 19, 2023, 05:08:42 PM
Kevin Mc Stay, in fairness, has worked some magic with that Mayo side so far -- when you see Aidan O'Shea so comfortably easing them over the bar, you can appreciate that there's some wizardry on the managerial controls.
McStay did previous good work bringing St Brigids to the Club AI. He has Mayo motoring well at present. The Dublin and Kerrys of this world are not much ahead of the pack now and it could be a good year to manage Mayo.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2023, 05:16:50 PM
Am I right in thinking Tyrone are now safe? Monaghan can catch us but we've the head to head plus a +17 point difference.
So you are confident that Armagh will not beat you by 18+ points?
So am I.
Quote from: clarshack on March 19, 2023, 05:15:54 PM
Aidan O'Shea is flying atm.
I though management were plámásing him when he came back at the beginning of the year and at best he'd get cameo roles.
Good day for Armagh as I think we are now practically safe irrespective of what happens in Omagh on the last day. Monaghan have done well to bring it to the last day of the season as they were probably most peoples favourites to be relegated at the outset. However I don't see them beating Mayo away from home on the last day irrespective of how motivated Mayo are. Relegation is probably no bad thing for Monaghan as they are in a rebuild phase at the minute and have still been reasonably competitive in most of their games in the top division. Donegal however have much bigger problems, I think and they have failed to evolve or alter their style of play. From what I have seen of them they could easily sink lower before they improve again. They lack leadership and look like a demoralised outfit at the minute.
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level. I'd still have Kerry and Dublin as the top 2 sides but Mayo and Galway are probably the best of the rest at the minute and Connacht football now looks to be the most competitive province with Roscommon being not too far behind.
Quote from: J70 on March 19, 2023, 05:13:57 PM
Gallen looked like he did his hamstring there.
Absolutely brutal luck for him. He's never got a proper run at senior level due to injuries. And this was the year he was supposed to push on with Murphy gone and McBrearty out.
He has no luck, poor fella.
So much for Ballybofey and Mayo never winning on Donegal soil. :-\
Mayo will put out a scratch team next week
With the final the following week and the championship a week later
Armagh will need something in Omagh 🙈
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Good day for Armagh as I think we are now practically safe irrespective of what happens in Omagh on the last day. Monaghan have done well to bring it to the last day of the season as they were probably most peoples favourites to be relegated at the outset. However I don't see them beating Mayo away from home on the last day irrespective of how motivated Mayo are. Relegation is probably no bad thing for Monaghan as they are in a rebuild phase at the minute and have still been reasonably competitive in most of their games in the top division. Donegal however have much bigger problems, I think and they have failed to evolve or alter their style of play. From what I have seen of them they could easily sink lower before they improve again. They lack leadership and look like a demoralised outfit at the minute.
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level. I'd still have Kerry and Dublin as the top 2 sides but Mayo and Galway are probably the best of the rest at the minute and Connacht football now looks to be the most competitive province with Roscommon being not too far behind.
I wouldn't be writing Monaghan off just yet. Mayo with nothing to play for and with lads probably with an eye on minding themselves for a league final versus Galway, Kerry or Roscommon against a Monaghan side who have plenty past form in pulling off last day heroics.
Mayo are flying at the moment but I wonder if they can keep it up until the business end of the season.
The new structure and dates make it tough to figure if this is too soon to be in top form.
Quote from: naka on March 19, 2023, 05:29:48 PM
Mayo will put out a scratch team next week
With the final the following week and the championship a week later
Armagh will need something in Omagh 🙈
That seems the likely senario.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Good day for Armagh as I think we are now practically safe irrespective of what happens in Omagh on the last day...
That's right, you barely need to turn up! ;)
Quote from: naka on March 19, 2023, 05:29:48 PM
Mayo will put out a scratch team next week
With the final the following week and the championship a week later
Armagh will need something in Omagh 🙈
What is a scratch team though? They might mix and match with a few new players but regardless I would still expect them to beat Monaghan at home. However, I hope the team and players expect the worst and go and put on a performance against Tyrone to leave the result of that match an irrelevance. A draw will guarantee safety and our own match against Tyrone has to be the focus this week. Despite our form and playing style this season I would still expect some sort of a reaction from Armagh next week but whether it is enough to get a result in Omagh remains to be seen.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2023, 05:16:50 PM
Am I right in thinking Tyrone are now safe? Monaghan can catch us but we've the head to head plus a +17 point difference.
So you are confident that Armagh will not beat you by 18+ points?
So am I.
Yes, Armagh will steam through Tyrone, probably by about 15 points, but 18+ might be a bit of a stretch 🙂
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Am I right in thinking Tyrone are now safe? Monaghan can catch us but we've the head to head plus a +17 point difference.
So you are confident that Armagh will not beat you by 18+ points?
So am I.
Yes, Armagh will steam through Tyrone, probably by about 15 points, but 18+ might be a bit of a stretch 🙂
Is head to head not over scoring difference, therefore it won't matter how many Armagh win by.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 19, 2023, 05:53:22 PM
Is head to head not over scoring difference, therefore it won't matter how many Armagh win by.
Head to head, only if
two teams on same points.
Quote from: naka on March 19, 2023, 05:29:48 PM
Mayo will put out a scratch team next week
With the final the following week and the championship a week later
Armagh will need something in Omagh 🙈
Chips or pizza ?
Monaghan have no motivation. Even half a team would beat them. They need a spell in rehab playing teams like Meath.
The Cóiste Bodhar will be waiting for them outside the ground after the match.
donegal are in a bad place. wouldn't even be shocked if they ehd up in division 3 in the next couple of years.
mayo full value for the win either way. can only beat what's in front of them and they went and did the job well. they're getting some tune out of o'shea at the moment. he bullied the donegal keeper all day.
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Quote from: naka on March 19, 2023, 05:29:48 PM
Mayo will put out a scratch team next week
With the final the following week and the championship a week later
Armagh will need something in Omagh 🙈
Chips or pizza ?
Monaghan have no motivation. Even half a team would beat them. They need a spell in rehab playing teams like Meath.
The Cóiste Bodhar will be waiting for them outside the ground after the match.
It's when you think Monaghan are goosed that they pull a rabbit out of the hat.
Mayo have been the most impressive team in Division One by a distance, will be very hard stopped in the league final regardless of who the opposition is. I wouldn't mind the "only the league" talk, if Kerry were performing like Mayo are at the minute they'd be red hot favourites to win back to back Sams.
The AI is there to be won this year, he was left disappointed at other times not to get the head job but McStay might just end up being the right man at the right time.
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Mayo 6 4 2 0 112 82 10
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Galway 6 3 2 1 77 67 8
3
Kerry 6 3 0 3 92 88 6
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Tyrone 6 3 0 3 95 94 6
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Roscommon 6 3 0 3 84 83 6
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Armagh 6 2 1 3 79 80 5
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Monaghan 6 2 0 4 89 105 4
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Donegal 6 1 1 4 67 96 3
The only certainty is that Donegal are definitely relegated and Mayo are definitely in the League final. Galway look favourites to join Mayo in a League final but they will need a result against Kerry to guarantee that. I don't think Kerry will be too bothered about that match so I can see a Galway v Mayo League final which could be interesting. In the unlikely event that Monaghan and Armagh both win their final match, there could be a whole host of teams finishing on 6 points in which case scoring difference comes into play and it would be time to get the abacus out.
Quote from: WhoDat on March 19, 2023, 06:07:35 PM
donegal are in a bad place. wouldn't even be shocked if they ehd up in division 3 in the next couple of years.
mayo full value for the win either way. can only beat what's in front of them and they went and did the job well. they're getting some tune out of o'shea at the moment. he bullied the donegal keeper all day.
He does seem to have had a new lease of life this year and has played a more disciplined role positionally. He will be licking his lips at the thought of coming up against Gleeson should they face Galway in a League final or in the Connacht championship. Patton has always had a weakness under a high ball and Gleeson is very similar.
https://twitter.com/thegaacorner/status/1637492482861674502 (https://twitter.com/thegaacorner/status/1637492482861674502)
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
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Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
Couple of provincials and all ireland final appearances since then, not a bad rebuild. If Armagh don't win sam i'd love to see Mayo do it of course, but would be heart breaking for Lee Keegan.
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Quote from: seafoid on March 19, 2023, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: naka on March 19, 2023, 05:29:48 PM
Mayo will put out a scratch team next week
With the final the following week and the championship a week later
Armagh will need something in Omagh 🙈
Chips or pizza ?
Monaghan have no motivation. Even half a team would beat them. They need a spell in rehab playing teams like Meath.
The Cóiste Bodhar will be waiting for them outside the ground after the match.
It's when you think Monaghan are goosed that they pull a rabbit out of the hat.
They didn't tend to leave it to the last match against the top team.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 19, 2023, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
Couple of provincials and all ireland final appearances since then, not a bad rebuild. If Armagh don't win sam i'd love to see Mayo do it of course, but would be heart breaking for Lee Keegan.
Rebuild was done under Horan. Introduced the likes of O'Donoghue,Flynn,Conroy etc into the side it was a perfect opportunity for McStay to step in and he stocked his management team to leave no stone unturned. Should go on to win the league title now and it's going to take a very good team to beat them in this years All Ireland.
They probably won't lose another match this decade at least.
Yep Horan deserves credit for bringing so many of them through.
But while there seemed to some disharmony in styles, trust and and belief between the old guard and new under Horan, they seem to be revelling in each other's company under McStay, and enjoying their unpredictability together. Mayo of 2023 just don't seem to have a pattern to their play; they're happy to mix it up each and every way.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 19, 2023, 06:52:33 PM
They probably won't lose another match this decade at least.
It would be gas if Ros beat them on 9 April. There will be no shortage of motivation, I imagine.
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 19, 2023, 06:52:33 PM
They probably won't lose another match this decade at least.
It would be gas if Ros beat them on 9 April. There will be no shortage of motivation, I imagine.
It would be even funnier if the Rossies then went onto beat Galway!
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 19, 2023, 06:52:33 PM
They probably won't lose another match this decade at least.
It would be gas if Ros beat them on 9 April. There will be no shortage of motivation, I imagine.
It would be even funnier if the Rossies then went onto beat Galway!
That happened in the 2001 Connacht Final but the season worked out OK in the end.
Good chance there could be 4 teams finishing on 8 points next weekend if Kerry, Tyrone and Ros all win. Looking at the table Galway have +6 over Kerry and +9 Advantage over Tyrone and Ros. Kerry would be in the driving seat if they can secure a 4+ win over Galway.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
Couple of provincials and all ireland final appearances since then, not a bad rebuild. If Armagh don't win sam i'd love to see Mayo do it of course, but would be heart breaking for Lee Keegan.
Rebuild was done under Horan. Introduced the likes of O'Donoghue,Flynn,Conroy etc into the side it was a perfect opportunity for McStay to step in and he stocked his management team to leave no stone unturned. Should go on to win the league title now and it's going to take a very good team to beat them in this years All Ireland.
Be interesting to see them against a full strength Kerry, huge credit to how they've gone so far especially after losing 2 of the best defenders in the country.
For a good while the only team that beat Mayo was themselves.
Joanne Cantwell on the Sunday game tonight reckons Monaghan will need 15 men instead of 13 when they play Tyrone again in the championship in a months time.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2023, 06:46:40 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
Couple of provincials and all ireland final appearances since then, not a bad rebuild. If Armagh don't win sam i'd love to see Mayo do it of course, but would be heart breaking for Lee Keegan.
Rebuild was done under Horan. Introduced the likes of O'Donoghue,Flynn,Conroy etc into the side it was a perfect opportunity for McStay to step in and he stocked his management team to leave no stone unturned. Should go on to win the league title now and it's going to take a very good team to beat them in this years All Ireland.
Be interesting to see them against a full strength Kerry, huge credit to how they've gone so far especially after losing 2 of the best defenders in the country.
For a good while the only team that beat Mayo was themselves.
Themselves being a Dublin team who in their own back garden blew away teams for a decade.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 06:13:54 PM
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Mayo 6 4 2 0 112 82 10
2
Galway 6 3 2 1 77 67 8
3
Kerry 6 3 0 3 92 88 6
4
Tyrone 6 3 0 3 95 94 6
5
Roscommon 6 3 0 3 84 83 6
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Armagh 6 2 1 3 79 80 5
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Monaghan 6 2 0 4 89 105 4
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Donegal 6 1 1 4 67 96 3
The only certainty is that Donegal are definitely relegated and Mayo are definitely in the League final. Galway look favourites to join Mayo in a League final but they will need a result against Kerry to guarantee that. I don't think Kerry will be too bothered about that match so I can see a Galway v Mayo League final which could be interesting. In the unlikely event that Monaghan and Armagh both win their final match, there could be a whole host of teams finishing on 6 points in which case scoring difference comes into play and it would be time to get the abacus out.
Donegal aren't definitely relegated. A draw for Armagh and a win for Donegal and Monaghan bring it to points difference. Can't see Donegal doing it, they were septic today
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 19, 2023, 10:04:38 PM
Donegal aren't definitely relegated. A draw for Armagh and a win for Donegal and Monaghan bring it to points difference. Can't see Donegal doing it, they were septic today
Donegal only have 3 points. The only thing that could save them was a big win, Armagh losing by a large margin and Monaghan drawing.
Pretty improbable.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 19, 2023, 09:24:34 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
Couple of provincials and all ireland final appearances since then, not a bad rebuild. If Armagh don't win sam i'd love to see Mayo do it of course, but would be heart breaking for Lee Keegan.
Rebuild was done under Horan. Introduced the likes of O'Donoghue,Flynn,Conroy etc into the side it was a perfect opportunity for McStay to step in and he stocked his management team to leave no stone unturned. Should go on to win the league title now and it's going to take a very good team to beat them in this years All Ireland.
Be interesting to see them against a full strength Kerry, huge credit to how they've gone so far especially after losing 2 of the best defenders in the country.
For a good while the only team that beat Mayo was themselves.
They have been impressive throughout the League but they still have plenty to prove before they can be considered genuine contenders. No different to most other division one sides I feel. They made a League final last season only to be ripped to shreds by Kerry in Croke Park. Despite losing Mullin and Keegan they look to have improved from last season but part of that could be simply down to a new manager bounce. Time will tell but if they win out in Connacht this year then they might be considered genuine contenders.
No 23 for Kerry, clearly trips McKeown for a penalty, what were the umpires at? Roscommon could very easily land themselves in a league final. Cavanagh must have switched off the Kerry game after 10 minutes last night. Who were Kerry playing last night?
Awful poor coverage, no comments on game, no review of McKeon incident.
Too many games on, between football and hurling, over all the divisions unfortunately.
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 09:47:55 PM
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 19, 2023, 06:46:40 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2023, 05:47:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 05:22:54 PM
Contrast this with Mayo who have been the best team to watch during the entire League to date. I would have thought that they were entering a transition phase having lost so many players in the last few years so I'm not sure how they produce a new batch while still competing at the top level.
The last decent group from Mayo was 2013-2017. Since 2017 that group of players have been retiring/dropped. That's 6 years ago. Seems like a short time to auld bucks like us.
Couple of provincials and all ireland final appearances since then, not a bad rebuild. If Armagh don't win sam i'd love to see Mayo do it of course, but would be heart breaking for Lee Keegan.
Rebuild was done under Horan. Introduced the likes of O'Donoghue,Flynn,Conroy etc into the side it was a perfect opportunity for McStay to step in and he stocked his management team to leave no stone unturned. Should go on to win the league title now and it's going to take a very good team to beat them in this years All Ireland.
Be interesting to see them against a full strength Kerry, huge credit to how they've gone so far especially after losing 2 of the best defenders in the country.
For a good while the only team that beat Mayo was themselves.
Themselves being a Dublin team who in their own back garden blew away teams for a decade.
The own goals and silly red cards at crucial times did help Dublin though lol
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
Yeah I think I'd rather just go for it at this stage. Maybe not totally gung ho, but if we'd a full team, Morgan, Burn, Forker, McCambridge and Ciaran Mackin are all good enough defenders that'd trust a little bit more than what we're currently doing. We've one of the most talented players in Ireland in Rian O'Neill but are getting very little out of him at the minute.
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
Thought this years football from Armagh has been awful, a sea change from previous years .
As you said it's not enjoyable to watch.
Hope it's Galway in the final , great record against them in Croke Park 8)
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Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
Yeah I think I'd rather just go for it at this stage. Maybe not totally gung ho, but if we'd a full team, Morgan, Burn, Forker, McCambridge and Ciaran Mackin are all good enough defenders that'd trust a little bit more than what we're currently doing. We've one of the most talented players in Ireland in Rian O'Neill but are getting very little out of him at the minute.
Sean Cavanagh was talking about this on the tv last night.
Said the same thing, that Armagh have loads of attacking talent but play too defensive.
QuoteI know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
In Mayo if James Carr was doing what he is doing in the James Horan era he would be getting subbed. He takes some wild shots but he makes up for them by scoring a good percentage, at least his wild shots go over the line and not into the goalies hands. I think the answer is somewhere between coaching players to retain possession util the shot is almost guaranteed and the players themselves afraid of messing up.
Having attending the Armagh v Mayo game it was clear that day that unless ye changed something tactically then ye become very beatable. Ye should use the forward mark more and press up on opposition kickouts more, instead ye leave this too late into matches. Ye would've beaten us if ye pressed up on our kickouts with 10 mins to go rather than 5.
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
That's a good synopsis of the situation. I simply don't get the tactics we have adopted during this years League but it would certainly suck the life out of you watching us play at times. I honestly don't know what the attacking plan is other than to work the ball up the pitch slowly and retain possession. We have no identity as I don't know what our playing style is. Most of our best players are in the forward line yet we persist in asking them to play a game that is not suited to their strengths. Whatever feel good factor we had from last years championship run has now gone. We have got very little out of this years League other than blooding one new player (McCambridge) whereas at least the likes of Monaghan can say that they are going through a transition phase blooding new players. When you substitute your best player with 5 minutes remaining with the game still in the melting pot you have to ask what is going on.
If we remember we were also at a bit of a crossroads after the Donegal championship game last year when we played a similar running/possession type game where the players look stifled by fear. After that we threw off the shackles and went more gung ho where the players were encouraged to take risks. I'm holding out hope that we can still do something similar because its still the same bunch of players and we have shown last year that we are more than capable of beating Tyrone, however you wouldn't be confident that we can just turn it around in 8 days.
I think Ros had a very good league. They stopped yoyoing, they showed some good skills, they have a good panel , they can finish games well and they should be ready for the championship.
If we win next Sunday it will be a good League.
I'd say we'll be ready for the AI Championship in mid/late May but probably not for the Connacht one on 9th April.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2023, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
That's a good synopsis of the situation. I simply don't get the tactics we have adopted during this years League but it would certainly suck the life out of you watching us play at times. I honestly don't know what the attacking plan is other than to work the ball up the pitch slowly and retain possession. We have no identity as I don't know what our playing style is. Most of our best players are in the forward line yet we persist in asking them to play a game that is not suited to their strengths. Whatever feel good factor we had from last years championship run has now gone. We have got very little out of this years League other than blooding one new player (McCambridge) whereas at least the likes of Monaghan can say that they are going through a transition phase blooding new players. When you substitute your best player with 5 minutes remaining with the game still in the melting pot you have to ask what is going on.
If we remember we were also at a bit of a crossroads after the Donegal championship game last year when we played a similar running/possession type game where the players look stifled by fear. After that we threw off the shackles and went more gung ho where the players were encouraged to take risks. I'm holding out hope that we can still do something similar because its still the same bunch of players and we have shown last year that we are more than capable of beating Tyrone, however you wouldn't be confident that we can just turn it around in 8 days.
Very frustrating! I hear lots of complaints about McGeeney, but its fairly clear that he recognises that the gung-ho approach from last year, entertaining as it is, will not win championships. Enda McGinley mentioned this a few weeks ago in the RTE column and I think he was on the money.
However, his assumption was that their attacking game is fine and in the back pocket to be used when appropriate. On the available evidence, I don't think it is. Good and all as Armagh's forwards are, they are wasting chances when they do come along. I counted 5 shots dropped into the keepers' hands and two or three bad wides and a goal chance that they should have finished.
Galway are no slouches and some of those misses were down to Galway pressure - they packed the defence every bit as much as Armagh did. Teams are starting to realise that the answer to a packed defence is to pack your own defence. It's almost like a zero sum game and these fast transitions you dream of, won't happen in reality.
Two things frustrated me about Saturday night: Firstly, that some players first instinct is to go back (or go simple) as soon as they receive the ball, regardless of the risk/reward of a more ambitious pass. Secondly, there were players making runs off the shoulder last night that should have received the ball first time. Instead, the ball carrier took a solo, turned inside and gave the ball backwards - we have a number of players guilty of this. There is no urgency whatsoever when we have a lead. Players look busy, by scuttling about the 40" at speed, but they are going nowhere.
The frustrating thing about Armagh is that when they need scores they will play with urgency by pressing kickouts and flooding the attack when they turnover the ball. They did this against Mayo for the last 10 minutes. They did it against Monaghan for 10 minutes. They went looking for a goal last night and should probably have scored after an excellent turnover from Forker and Mackin's combined efforts.
They give you glimpses of this, but if they get any kind of a lead, all adventure deserts them. It's borderline psycological and not dis-similar to the 1999-2005 team. Give them something to chase and they will be fine. Ask them to defend a lead, they won't build on it, but retreat into their shells.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2023, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
That's a good synopsis of the situation. I simply don't get the tactics we have adopted during this years League but it would certainly suck the life out of you watching us play at times. I honestly don't know what the attacking plan is other than to work the ball up the pitch slowly and retain possession. We have no identity as I don't know what our playing style is. Most of our best players are in the forward line yet we persist in asking them to play a game that is not suited to their strengths. Whatever feel good factor we had from last years championship run has now gone. We have got very little out of this years League other than blooding one new player (McCambridge) whereas at least the likes of Monaghan can say that they are going through a transition phase blooding new players. When you substitute your best player with 5 minutes remaining with the game still in the melting pot you have to ask what is going on.
If we remember we were also at a bit of a crossroads after the Donegal championship game last year when we played a similar running/possession type game where the players look stifled by fear. After that we threw off the shackles and went more gung ho where the players were encouraged to take risks. I'm holding out hope that we can still do something similar because its still the same bunch of players and we have shown last year that we are more than capable of beating Tyrone, however you wouldn't be confident that we can just turn it around in 8 days.
You'd wonder if McKeever has had more of an influence on how we play this year
Just my own thoughts on where teams are at,
Mayo - the real deal. Can they find another 10% to win Sam?
Galway - Inconsistent and stuttering. Flashes of brilliance but not top 3 in country. Regressed from last year.
Kerry - Take out their key men and theyre ordinary. With key men, they can retain Sam. Returning to form, slowly.
Rossies - 3 wins in a row, 3 defeats in a row. Flattered to deceive. Lucky to escape relegation.
Armagh - Playing much more conservatively than '22. Progressed last year but not this year so far.
Tyrone - Only a fool would rule out Tyrone. Between them and Derry for Ulster. Have the players.
Monaghan - The jury is out. If they can stay up that will be a huge achievement. Playing better in attack.
Donegal - Lucky they are in Div 1 cos if they were in Div.2 they'd be relegated from there too. Playing terribly.
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
This is very frustrating to watch, especially when nothing comes of it and the opposition hit you on the break. Not just Armagh at this, it's something that has been coached into players. It's fine telling a player not to take a pot shot from the sideline or a really bad angle but 35 yards out, relatively central, take a shot ffs. We have forwards who are more than capable to score from this range.
We've just got too much space between the defence and attack at the minute. The counter attack isn't working.We can't afford to have probably our best player - O'Neill - on the periphery of the game for large spells. The defence isn't good enough one on one but keep a bit more structure up front to allow for an outball and targets to hit on the break. Against Galway Rian was standing on his own in Galway's half with oceans of space between him and the rest of the team.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 20, 2023, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2023, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
That's a good synopsis of the situation. I simply don't get the tactics we have adopted during this years League but it would certainly suck the life out of you watching us play at times. I honestly don't know what the attacking plan is other than to work the ball up the pitch slowly and retain possession. We have no identity as I don't know what our playing style is. Most of our best players are in the forward line yet we persist in asking them to play a game that is not suited to their strengths. Whatever feel good factor we had from last years championship run has now gone. We have got very little out of this years League other than blooding one new player (McCambridge) whereas at least the likes of Monaghan can say that they are going through a transition phase blooding new players. When you substitute your best player with 5 minutes remaining with the game still in the melting pot you have to ask what is going on.
If we remember we were also at a bit of a crossroads after the Donegal championship game last year when we played a similar running/possession type game where the players look stifled by fear. After that we threw off the shackles and went more gung ho where the players were encouraged to take risks. I'm holding out hope that we can still do something similar because its still the same bunch of players and we have shown last year that we are more than capable of beating Tyrone, however you wouldn't be confident that we can just turn it around in 8 days.
You'd wonder if McKeever has had more of an influence on how we play this year
They are playing with fear going forward, Derry will blow them away, if they get that far.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 20, 2023, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2023, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
That's a good synopsis of the situation. I simply don't get the tactics we have adopted during this years League but it would certainly suck the life out of you watching us play at times. I honestly don't know what the attacking plan is other than to work the ball up the pitch slowly and retain possession. We have no identity as I don't know what our playing style is. Most of our best players are in the forward line yet we persist in asking them to play a game that is not suited to their strengths. Whatever feel good factor we had from last years championship run has now gone. We have got very little out of this years League other than blooding one new player (McCambridge) whereas at least the likes of Monaghan can say that they are going through a transition phase blooding new players. When you substitute your best player with 5 minutes remaining with the game still in the melting pot you have to ask what is going on.
If we remember we were also at a bit of a crossroads after the Donegal championship game last year when we played a similar running/possession type game where the players look stifled by fear. After that we threw off the shackles and went more gung ho where the players were encouraged to take risks. I'm holding out hope that we can still do something similar because its still the same bunch of players and we have shown last year that we are more than capable of beating Tyrone, however you wouldn't be confident that we can just turn it around in 8 days.
You'd wonder if McKeever has had more of an influence on how we play this year
Well McKeever did play a very defensive conservative style of football during his time managing Armagh minors and with Mayobridge so it is definitely possible. However McKeever was part of the management team last season so it doesn't explain why we have resorted back to this style. We are playing so as not to lose games rather than trying to win them and there is a massive difference in the psychology and mindset of players with both approaches.
Few points from watching Armagh this year:
- teams have got to grips with their style of play, and know exactly how to counteract it. They were moving the balls down the channels and having the inside line cut in from the sideline at pace in the earlier league games which worked great for them. Once this has been nullified, they seem out of ideas.
- their strength does lie in the forward line, and for several of the games I would have suggested a old fashioned shootout they would have prevailed, but they have been prevented from doing this. At one point O'Neil was on our own 21 marking a man. Baffling. Had they played Galway in an open game of football, I would be convinced they would have won, but they are forced to retreat into themselves.
- any Armagh fan knows the flair some of the players have, the fact that they are being restricted is frustrating the fans to no end and will likely result in current management being made redundant at the end of the year. Simply because we cannot risk the first Armagh team with top quality in 15 years to under achieve.
- the goalkeeper has been the biggest attacking threat this year, which tells a story in itself. Granted he has the ability to take on men and shoot from distance, but the troublesome thing is, our outfield players are unable to do that, bar maybe 2 or 3.
Final thoughts. Not to sound disrespectful to other teams, but the draw of the championship on Armagh's side favors them a run to the final all being well. In my head I am half thinking McGeeney hasn't unleashed Plan A and is reserving that for championship. If not he may roll the dice, as even the most loyal of fans are losing patience with him.
Tyrone seem like they are enjoying themselves again at the moment, and no doubt it is the wrong time for Armagh to come up against them. Again, a good old fashioned shootout and I would favor Armagh. Even if they went down fighting for scores as opposed preventing them, I would be content knowing they are giving it a rattle. Big week ahead.
State of the Nation
Munster
Kerry will still win comfortably despite Cork improving and the only side that can win Sam
Clare could be in with a shout the Tailtean cup
Not sure if Kerry will retain Sam though, think they have regressed slightly and others may catch them
Leinster
Dubs will win this again and only realistic challenger for Sam.
Fair play to Louth so far this year but this may not be the week to talk them up as could be in for it in croke park.
Kildare Meath Westmeath very poor and the rest well......don't even think they will have a Tailtean Cup challenger unless meath or kildare are in it
Ulster
Derry the best by a good bit at the moment and probably have best chance of Sam if they can keep all the main men fit.
Even though they are going through a bad patch Armagh may give derry most to do in ulster as they have the hunger for an ulster title
Tyrone getting a bit better but still a long way to go.....donegal and Monaghan in poor shape. Fermanagh had a good season, could they rattle derry at home? Cavan maybe rattle Armagh and fait play to Antrim on their bounceback at the weekend. A couple of Tailtean contenders including Down who may beat Donegal at home
The West
Mayo and Galway the 2 stand out teams of 2023 and big challengers for Sam. Can't see the Rossies beating both of them to win the title and not going to win Sam either.
Only teams for Sam
Kerry
Dublin
Derry
Mayo
Galway
Tyrone
Happy with Ros's performance. Fully expect us to finish on 8 points which will leave us anywhere from 2nd to 5th in the table. While we have lost 3 on the trot, none of the 3 losses damaged us because we were within a kick of the ball in all 3 - and we arguably got a stronger, fitter Kerry team at home in Tralee in desperate need of 2 points at home. Just getting a bit of consistency and survival in Division 1 was our only aim in league, and that is pretty much achieved. There's an outside chance of a league final, which would be a major surprise and indeed a strange game given we are meeting Mayo in Castlebar the following week on Easter Sunday. But that's not in our hands and requires some results to go our way. Burke still has a lot to work on - slow starts has been an issue. I think he needs to be more careful when playing physically imposing sides like Mayo and Kerry, in who he starts. While there's a lot to be said having a strong bench for the last twenty minutes, it's ef all good if you are 7 points down in the first 20 minutes. That said, feel both Mayo and Galway are in really good shape so a tough draw in Connacht awaits.
Quote from: ck on March 20, 2023, 11:44:01 AM
Just my own thoughts on where teams are at,
Mayo - the real deal. Can they find another 10% to win Sam?
Galway - Inconsistent and stuttering. Flashes of brilliance but not top 3 in country. Regressed from last year.
Kerry - Take out their key men and theyre ordinary. With key men, they can retain Sam. Returning to form, slowly.
Rossies - 3 wins in a row, 3 defeats in a row. Flattered to deceive. Lucky to escape relegation.
Armagh - Playing much more conservatively than '22. Progressed last year but not this year so far.
Tyrone - Only a fool would rule out Tyrone. Between them and Derry for Ulster. Have the players.
Monaghan - The jury is out. If they can stay up that will be a huge achievement. Playing better in attack.
Donegal - Lucky they are in Div 1 cos if they were in Div.2 they'd be relegated from there too. Playing terribly.
Not sure how Galway have regressed? We've been missing a good scatter of front line players for pretty much every league game. Yet, they're still heading into the last round with a chance of a league final. While it hasn't been flashy they already know they have that in their locker with a full deck. I'd say they are delighted to have expanded the viable squad options to be honest.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 20, 2023, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: ck on March 20, 2023, 11:44:01 AM
Just my own thoughts on where teams are at,
Mayo - the real deal. Can they find another 10% to win Sam?
Galway - Inconsistent and stuttering. Flashes of brilliance but not top 3 in country. Regressed from last year.
Kerry - Take out their key men and theyre ordinary. With key men, they can retain Sam. Returning to form, slowly.
Rossies - 3 wins in a row, 3 defeats in a row. Flattered to deceive. Lucky to escape relegation.
Armagh - Playing much more conservatively than '22. Progressed last year but not this year so far.
Tyrone - Only a fool would rule out Tyrone. Between them and Derry for Ulster. Have the players.
Monaghan - The jury is out. If they can stay up that will be a huge achievement. Playing better in attack.
Donegal - Lucky they are in Div 1 cos if they were in Div.2 they'd be relegated from there too. Playing terribly.
Not sure how Galway have regressed? We've been missing a good scatter of front line players for pretty much every league game. Yet, they're still heading into the last round with a chance of a league final. While it hasn't been flashy they already know they have that in their locker with a full deck. I'd say they are delighted to have expanded the viable squad options to be honest.
No way has Galway regressed.
Quote from: ballinaman on March 20, 2023, 08:44:33 AM
Hope it's Galway in the final , great record against them in Croke Park 8)
I would prefer Kerry, it will truly show us where we stand and have we learned anything from the implosions at the end of the Armagh and Roscommon games.
I would rather find out the answer to that on April 2nd than mid July.
Quote from: ck on March 20, 2023, 11:44:01 AM
Just my own thoughts on where teams are at,
Mayo - the real deal. Can they find another 10% to win Sam?
Galway - Inconsistent and stuttering. Flashes of brilliance but not top 3 in country. Regressed from last year.
Kerry - Take out the key men and theyre ordinary. With key men, they can retain Sam. Returning to form, slowly.
Rossies - 3 wins in a row, 3 defeats in a row. Flattered to deceive. Lucky to escape relegation.
Armagh - Playing much more conservatively than '22. Progressed last year but not this year so far.
Tyrone - Only a fool would rule out Tyrone. Between them and Derry for Ulster. Have the players.
Monaghan - The jury is out. If they can stay up that will be a huge achievement. Playing better in attack.
Donegal - Lucky they are in Div 1 cos if they were in Div.2 they'd be relegated from there too. Playing terribly.
Entitled to you're opinion but some strange thoughts there. As for my own.
Mayo - are as they are strong panel nice mix of youth and experience and overseen by one the strongest management teams. Didn't need a good league campaign to know they are the real deal truth to be known.
Galway - who are in the top 3 if the tribesmen aren't? they have the opportunity on Sunday to reach the league final off the back of reaching the AI final. That's consistent. Had to deal with plenty of injuries plus no Walsh for most of the league so will be really happy as to where they are going into the championship.
Kerry - Take key men out of every them and they would probably be ordinary. Among the main contenders for Sam. Returning to form, slowly as expected as they were the last team in Div 1 to return to training.
Rossies - Flattered to deceive? before the league started they were strong tipped to finish bottom of the table yet with a win on Sunday could finish with 8 points and 2nd or 3rd in the table. Lucky to escape relegation most certainly not.
Armagh - What you said about Galway is really Armagh. inconsistent and stuttering. Flashes of brilliance at times and regressed from last year.
Tyrone - Still not overly convinced about Tyrone, they also beat Kerry last year in the league and didn't amount to much. Have to improve defensively if they are to play in the business end of the championship.
Monaghan - Expected league slog for them with a fighting chance on the last league game to stay up. Mayo could well play a 2nd string team against them this Sunday. scoring wise still roughly the same with 14 or 15 points per game average.
Donegal - No new manager bounce and mainly because of long drawn out process and the wrong manager appointment at the end of it. Will struggle in the championship also, can reset in Div 2 next year probably under another new manager.
Quote from: ballinaman on March 20, 2023, 08:44:33 AM
Hope it's Galway in the final , great record against them in Croke Park 8)
It's a while since the 2 counties simultaneously had good teams.
Mayo - Loads of energy. Team clicking well. But shur it's only the League.
Galway - Marked by big name absences . Half forwards impressed.
Kerry - Not as interested this year. Replacements underwhelming
Rossies - Tus maith leath na h-oibre. Showed up well in matches lost. A very good bench as well. Status secured so yoyo put away. Interesting to compare them with Cavan now.
Armagh - Defensive issues holding them back
Tyrone - Momentum in the second half . Be afraid.
Monaghan - One of the weakest teams
Donegal - Off field chaos mirrored on field.
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2023, 03:58:45 PM
Mayo - Loads of energy. Team clicking well. But shur it's only the League.
Galway - Marked by big name absences . Half forwards impressed.
Kerry - Not as interested this year. Replacements underwhelming
Rossies - Tus maith leath na h-oibre. Showed up well in matches lost. A very good bench as well. Status secured so yoyo put away. Interesting to compare them with Cavan now.
Armagh - Defensive issues holding them back
Tyrone - Momentum in the second half . Be afraid.
Monaghan - One of the weakest teams
Donegal - Off field chaos mirrored on field.
Maybe last year, but it's be clearly the opposite this year!
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Anthony Moyles on the Rossies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsmusf_f_Hg&t=7240s
Awww shtop ;D
Galway v Kerry the one live Div 1 game on Sunday and TG4 will have live clips/updates from other Div 1 games during the coverage in Salthill.
Quote from: Taylor on March 20, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Midfield for Galway is their particular weakness, as McDaid has been carrying an injury for a while and Conroy will struggle on the quicker summer ground. Their consistency this spring has been their defense which is refreshingly miserly, especially given the absence of Silke and Molloy and, at times, Glynn. A sharp contrast to 12 months ago when they were the league's leading scorers if I recall.
Quote from: Taylor on March 20, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Don't necessarily disagree about Armagh deserving to go down but if we beat Tyrone and finish on 7. Or we lose and Mayo breath Monaghan then we will have deserved to stay up. Barely
I don't think Armagh were poor enough to be relegated. Monaghan gave up in several matches.
Armagh still have 1 point more. I don't expect Mayo to lose either. They need to keep their momentum going as far as the championship.
Quote from: Taylor on March 20, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Wouldn't say nothing. Last six Connacht titles won by.
Mayo 2
Galway 2
Roscommon 2
Could end up with a Connaught 1-2-3 in Div 1 for the 1st time ever.
Has there ever even been a Connaught 1-2 in Div 1?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on March 19, 2023, 10:04:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2023, 06:13:54 PM
1
Mayo 6 4 2 0 112 82 10
2
Galway 6 3 2 1 77 67 8
3
Kerry 6 3 0 3 92 88 6
4
Tyrone 6 3 0 3 95 94 6
5
Roscommon 6 3 0 3 84 83 6
6
Armagh 6 2 1 3 79 80 5
7
Monaghan 6 2 0 4 89 105 4
8
Donegal 6 1 1 4 67 96 3
The only certainty is that Donegal are definitely relegated and Mayo are definitely in the League final. Galway look favourites to join Mayo in a League final but they will need a result against Kerry to guarantee that. I don't think Kerry will be too bothered about that match so I can see a Galway v Mayo League final which could be interesting. In the unlikely event that Monaghan and Armagh both win their final match, there could be a whole host of teams finishing on 6 points in which case scoring difference comes into play and it would be time to get the abacus out.
Donegal aren't definitely relegated. A draw for Armagh and a win for Donegal and Monaghan bring it to points difference. Can't see Donegal doing it, they were septic today
Donegal have to catch up a 28 point points difference, that's good enough for calling it 'definitely relegated' for me.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
Could end up with a Connaught 1-2-3 in Div 1 for the 1st time ever.
Has there ever even been a Connaught 1-2 in Div 1?
It was a different format but Div 1 league semi finals in 2001 were Mayo v Roscommon* and Galway v Sligo. Mayo bet Galway in final. Roscommon beat Galway and Mayo to win Connacht final. Galway bet Roscommon in 1/4 final and went on to win All-Ireland.
* Tyrone got to play one less game due to foot and mouth and would have pipped Ros in top 2 had they won.
Quote from: weareros on March 21, 2023, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
Could end up with a Connaught 1-2-3 in Div 1 for the 1st time ever.
Has there ever even been a Connaught 1-2 in Div 1?
It was a different format but Div 1 league semi finals in 2001 were Mayo v Roscommon and Galway v Sligo. Mayo bet Galway in final. Roscommon beat Galway and Mayo to win Connacht final. Galway bet Roscommon in 1/4 final and went on to win All-Ireland.
Another year in which Galway had a game with Armagh that might have gone either way.
I'm hoping, from an Armagh perspective, that this new over defensive strategy was just a tester in the league, and somewhere, soon, Armagh will unleash their foot passing attacking football they became known for last year. I think they over-focused on the free flowing, attacking game last year and left the back door open, so it does no harm to strike a balance, however this ultra-defensive set-up allied with hand-passing the ball back and forwards across the 45 yard line, back and forwards, forwards and back, sideways, back again .... jeez, it's awful stuff.
Get the ball in early to marquee forwards, and utilise O'Neill as the target man which everything hangs off ... not have Rian sweeping in the halfback line. I don't think we'll see much change in Omagh this Sunday with Armagh trying to eek out a result anyway possible, but hopefully later in the spring when the ground hardens, we'll see more of the fast moving attacking play from 2022 ... I can't believe it has disappeared so quickly.
Sunday will not be one for the purists ... and with more than a passing interest in proceedings in Castlebar 😳
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: weareros on March 21, 2023, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
Could end up with a Connaught 1-2-3 in Div 1 for the 1st time ever.
Has there ever even been a Connaught 1-2 in Div 1?
It was a different format but Div 1 league semi finals in 2001 were Mayo v Roscommon and Galway v Sligo. Mayo bet Galway in final. Roscommon beat Galway and Mayo to win Connacht final. Galway bet Roscommon in 1/4 final and went on to win All-Ireland.
Another year in which Galway had a game with Armagh that might have gone either way.
Indeed and who won the All Ireland the year after ?
Mayo - Good side who will not be far away and should be in the thick of it come business time.
Galway - Could win it and have a feeling it could be their year
Kerry - Will be there or there abouts, they'll get better the longer the summer goes on. Knock them out early if you can.
Rossies - Are a decent side and have a big result in them but won't win SAM
Armagh - Same as Roscommon (see above). Are not as good as some people think but not as bad as they're currently showing.
Tyrone - Slightly ahead of Roscommon and Armagh but can't see them winning SAM tbh.
Monaghan - Decent hardy team that will fall short
Donegal - Always produce great players and could shock some teams but will not win SAM...
I think the All Ireland will go to the West this year, I have a sneaky feeling for Galway and by the look of it Mayo could be in the thick of it too. Kerry will always pose a threat no matter who they have and will get better as the summer goes on. From Div 1 for me only Galway, Mayo & Kerry can win SAM this year.
Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2023, 03:58:58 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: weareros on March 21, 2023, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
Could end up with a Connaught 1-2-3 in Div 1 for the 1st time ever.
Has there ever even been a Connaught 1-2 in Div 1?
It was a different format but Div 1 league semi finals in 2001 were Mayo v Roscommon and Galway v Sligo. Mayo bet Galway in final. Roscommon beat Galway and Mayo to win Connacht final. Galway bet Roscommon in 1/4 final and went on to win All-Ireland.
Another year in which Galway had a game with Armagh that might have gone either way.
Indeed and who won the All Ireland the year after ?
seafoid,
i would change the medication if you think Armagh have a chance at winning Sam in 2023
on a bigger note
any idea what the position is with ONeil and Morgan
Quote from: illdecide on March 19, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Now that the dust has settled a bit I'll give you my two bobs worth on Armagh...We have lost the plot, Armagh have great forwards and playing them all in our own half back line is a sin. I get what KMcG is trying to achieve by pulling everyone back and trying to hit the other teams on the counter as we're poor defensively atm but it's not working. I love Armagh and have followed them all my life and I'm considering taking a sabbatical away as I genuinely can't watch that crap atm. I honestly would rather be beaten and having a go/rattle than get beaten in a close game that was like watch grass grow.
For some reason our top forwards are all below par and seem to be short of confidence...do we go for a shoot out with the Kerry's etc and get humped as we'll be left exposed at the back?...I dunno but if we're still losing anyway why not try it out and see. We have to go to Omagh next week and Tyrone will love nothing more than relegating Armagh and we will only have ourselves to blame for this mess as we had a chance to win every game so far and couldn't manage it, from what i have seen the 3 teams at the bottom are the worst teams in Div 1 and there's nothing between Monaghan and Armagh so whoever has the goolies for it next week will stay up.
I know i'm a bit old school here but can someone please tell me why all forwards are afraid to shoot from 30-45m out, this is from all the games in general. Are forwards told not to shoot unless it's in front of the posts...is this a % thing?. you see guys in what i think is a scoreable position but they won't shoot and recycle the ball across and back and across and back and across and back before someone gets dispossed and the counter attack starts...WTF. You're a County footballer, get within 30-45m and pop the the ball over the bar. Even at club level I played with guys who didn't think twice about shooting from those ranges and hardly ever missed...Maybe the footballer is being replaced with an athlete now and fitness/strength is preferred to a proper footballer...
Rant over...
This is right through the county game and club game, even down to minor, players are told not to shoot unless in the scoring zone, thats the big D or inside the 21, all about the percentages and retaining possession, the ball could make its way back from 30 yards out to back to the keeper just to retain possession. The latest I've seen now at club level is all the players when not in possession shouting to head back to the 45...
Putting up a wall along that line, win back possession and quick turnover attacks, they are happy enough to give away fouls before they reach the 45 to slow down attacks and allow teams time to settle into their defensive formations..
What referee's start needing to do is be harder on those little fouls and apply cards
I was listening to Brendan Devenney's podcast this morning.
He had John Casey on for any Mayo folk interested in his opinion on their team (he was optimistic, but playing things down a tiny bit on account of Mayo maybe being slightly ahead of the pack on prep and also looking back to last year).
Devenney ended the show by proposing (maybe tongue in cheek, as it goes against everything he's been calling for for years, which he admitted!) that Donegal should consider reverting back to packing out the defense for this year, just to give themselves a chance of staying in games. His logic being that we don't currently have a forward threat anyway. Personally, if I have to sit through another season of the fearful, ultra-negative shite we've served up since the 2020 Ulster Final, I'm probably done. Whether Paddy Carr and his team can catch up and put a good game plan together remains to be seen, but he HAS to at least set the team up to have a go. If they end up in getting beaten out of it for a year or two, so be it.
Quote from: weareros on March 21, 2023, 12:31:35 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2023, 12:10:28 AM
Could end up with a Connaught 1-2-3 in Div 1 for the 1st time ever.
Has there ever even been a Connaught 1-2 in Div 1?
It was a different format but Div 1 league semi finals in 2001 were Mayo v Roscommon* and Galway v Sligo. Mayo bet Galway in final. Roscommon beat Galway and Mayo to win Connacht final. Galway bet Roscommon in 1/4 final and went on to win All-Ireland.
* Tyrone got to play one less game due to foot and mouth and would have pipped Ros in top 2 had they won.
Crazy times!
I see 2002 All-Ireland finalists Armagh and Kerry were both essentially in Div 3 in the 2002 League (Called Div 2A. but win a Div 1A, and Div 1B ahead of them). Or you could say Div 3.5 as Div 2B had equal status as 2A, with London and Wicklow in 2A.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 20, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 20, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Don't necessarily disagree about Armagh deserving to go down but if we beat Tyrone and finish on 7. Or we lose and Mayo breath Monaghan then we will have deserved to stay up. Barely
It's simple. If we get more points than the bottom two we deserve to stay up. Anything else is subjective.
Quote from: Armamike on March 21, 2023, 11:57:51 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 20, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 20, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Don't necessarily disagree about Armagh deserving to go down but if we beat Tyrone and finish on 7. Or we lose and Mayo breath Monaghan then we will have deserved to stay up. Barely
It's simple. If we get more points than the bottom two we deserve to stay up. Anything else is subjective.
If we do stay up this year it'll be more a case of us being less shite than 2 very poor teams in Monaghan and Donegal than us being good.
Will be no bad teams next year if we manage to stay up so we will need a better league campaign for sure.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 21, 2023, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Armamike on March 21, 2023, 11:57:51 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 20, 2023, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on March 20, 2023, 04:50:49 PM
Mayo - Another year another false dawn
Galway - Grinding out results - if they can get Comer & Walsh firing on all cylinders they will kick out. Great midfield
Kerry - No need to even think about peaking yet - currently just going through the motions
Rossies - Many teams in the league seemed to underestimate them - will be happy with the finish but do nothing as usual come cship
Armagh - Not a clue what McGeeney has done with this team. From all out attack to all out defence. Deserve to go down
Tyrone - Starting to come good and I still dont think we have clicked. Will be a test for any team in the round robins
Monaghan - Could have the great escape yet again - wont count come cship time unless McManus & Mcarron are 100%
Donegal - Shambles of a set up on and off the field
Don't necessarily disagree about Armagh deserving to go down but if we beat Tyrone and finish on 7. Or we lose and Mayo breath Monaghan then we will have deserved to stay up. Barely
It's simple. If we get more points than the bottom two we deserve to stay up. Anything else is subjective.
If we do stay up this year it'll be more a case of us being less shite than 2 very poor teams in Monaghan and Donegal than us being good.
Will be no bad teams next year if we manage to stay up so we will need a better league campaign for sure.
Armagh have a far better score difference than the 2 laggers.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2023/6321/tables/
On Armagh's misfiring, Cahair O'Kane has a good article in today's Irish News. He makes an important point about them not having a settled team and how their defence is working but attack is malfunctioning. The management would probably argue that this lack of continuity has been forced due to injuries, but there are only about 5 positions that are settled assuming no injuries to these players. Those being FB (Forker), CHB (McCabe), Grugan (CHF), Murnin (FF). The only other certainties is that either Hall or Comiskey will start at 10. McKay is generally in the full back line.
I couldn't really tell you who or what our midfield is. To a large degree team-sheets are irrelevant and positions are only relevant for the throw-in. Our full forward, corner forward and goalkeeper compete for kickouts. When we defend, we flood the defense and when we go forward, we flood the attack. So the question isn't necessarily what position the player is playing, but whether they are given the same role every week and they know where they will slot in. From no.7 up, it's very hard to tell.
Galway have had a good league, I know most of us would have been delighted to be in this position before a ball had been kicked and got worse losing Comer & Finnerty in the opening games.
Defensively depth has been added which is surprising Silke & Molloy were already missing but Hernon, O'Flaherty, McGrath & Eoghan Kelly and possibly Mulcahy look comfortable at this level so Joyce will be delighted. O'Flaherty is still u20 whilst McGrath and Hernon would be u21's and Eoghan Kelly has only been taking football seriously the last few years so definite scope for more improvement. Hernon has played very little football the last 18 months due to injury.
Culhane must be frustrated as he knows he'd have got a decent run with the big guns in attack missing but certainly played his part on Saturday and his 2nd mark was really well worked something Galway probably haven't used as much as they should.
Fairly sure I heard Fitzmaurice say Molloy will back for the summer, now we've all heard is recovery is going well but that would seem very fanciful given the nature of his injury.
As Mouview stated midfield is a worry as McDaid clearly is carrying an injury and think Conroy will struggle to last 70 minutes come the summer. Will need to see more of Maher, not convinced how comfortable he is on the ball but its a position we're short in; James McLaughlin been unlucky with injuries so far but he's going to have a lot of hype to live upto.
Goes without saying the issue in net will continue, don't see Joyce dropping Gleeson.
Galway are going nicely but are still going to rely on top players staying fit, I do think the good news is Galway have more top players then they did last year.
Quote from: J70 on March 21, 2023, 11:23:20 AM
I was listening to Brendan Devenney's podcast this morning.
He had John Casey on for any Mayo folk interested in his opinion on their team (he was optimistic, but playing things down a tiny bit on account of Mayo maybe being slightly ahead of the pack on prep and also looking back to last year).
Devenney ended the show by proposing (maybe tongue in cheek, as it goes against everything he's been calling for for years, which he admitted!) that Donegal should consider reverting back to packing out the defense for this year, just to give themselves a chance of staying in games. His logic being that we don't currently have a forward threat anyway. Personally, if I have to sit through another season of the fearful, ultra-negative shite we've served up since the 2020 Ulster Final, I'm probably done. Whether Paddy Carr and his team can catch up and put a good game plan together remains to be seen, but he HAS to at least set the team up to have a go. If they end up in getting beaten out of it for a year or two, so be it.
I think one of the problems Donegal have currently (from what I've seen of them this year) is that they are constantly so slow getting the ball out of defence.
Just seem absolutely allergic to kicking it forward out of defence instead constantly runnning and hand-passing out of defence which is just an absolute gift for any team playing them who have all the time in the world to get men back and set in their defensive structure against them.
I'd put a serious chunk of the lack of forward threat down to the slow/poor quality of the ball going in to the forwards who are trying to break down already set in place defences.
I would say that the stats are fairly damming in terms of the ball that is worked up the field by hand and how often this results in scores and the overall lack of kickpassing by the Donegal team.
I wouldn't hold out much hope for any significant changes this year. In a way relegation might possibly be good for Donegal as it might force them to change their overall approach in Division 2 next year so they go with an overall approach to taking risks which is more about winning games as opposed to not losing games.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 21, 2023, 12:54:20 AM
I'm hoping, from an Armagh perspective, that this new over defensive strategy was just a tester in the league, and somewhere, soon, Armagh will unleash their foot passing attacking football they became known for last year. I think they over-focused on the free flowing, attacking game last year and left the back door open, so it does no harm to strike a balance, however this ultra-defensive set-up allied with hand-passing the ball back and forwards across the 45 yard line, back and forwards, forwards and back, sideways, back again .... jeez, it's awful stuff.
Get the ball in early to marquee forwards, and utilise O'Neill as the target man which everything hangs off ... not have Rian sweeping in the halfback line. I don't think we'll see much change in Omagh this Sunday with Armagh trying to eek out a result anyway possible, but hopefully later in the spring when the ground hardens, we'll see more of the fast moving attacking play from 2022 ... I can't believe it has disappeared so quickly.
Sunday will not be one for the purists ... and with more than a passing interest in proceedings in Castlebar 😳
The thing is that I don't think any side in the GAA has ever just managed to unleash an attacking approach overnight after concentrating on the defensive side of things without sacrificing significantly on the defensive side.
So many people seem to think it's a matter of sorting out the defence and then working on the attack after.
The game just doesn't work that way - you have to sort out both at the same time because the hardest part is getting the balance right in terms of when to attack/when to defend/when and where to take risks.
Now maybe Armagh will be more attacking come championship but I really can't see it happening with it causing issues at the back. It's why I'd have Armagh in the dangerous/might take out other dangerous teams/even serious contenders but I would be very surprised if they managed to win Sam, especially with the new structure.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 21, 2023, 02:08:41 PM
Galway have had a good league, I know most of us would have been delighted to be in this position before a ball had been kicked and got worse losing Comer & Finnerty in the opening games.
Defensively depth has been added which is surprising Silke & Molloy were already missing but Hernon, O'Flaherty, McGrath & Eoghan Kelly and possibly Mulcahy look comfortable at this level so Joyce will be delighted. O'Flaherty is still u20 whilst McGrath and Hernon would be u21's and Eoghan Kelly has only been taking football seriously the last few years so definite scope for more improvement. Hernon has played very little football the last 18 months due to injury.
Culhane must be frustrated as he knows he'd have got a decent run with the big guns in attack missing but certainly played his part on Saturday and his 2nd mark was really well worked something Galway probably haven't used as much as they should.
Fairly sure I heard Fitzmaurice say Molloy will back for the summer, now we've all heard is recovery is going well but that would seem very fanciful given the nature of his injury.
As Mouview stated midfield is a worry as McDaid clearly is carrying an injury and think Conroy will struggle to last 70 minutes come the summer. Will need to see more of Maher, not convinced how comfortable he is on the ball but its a position we're short in; James McLaughlin been unlucky with injuries so far but he's going to have a lot of hype to live upto.
Goes without saying the issue in net will continue, don't see Joyce dropping Gleeson.
Galway are going nicely but are still going to rely on top players staying fit, I do think the good news is Galway have more top players then they did last year.
Tomo will be a great option to be able to bring in off the bench. His shooting accuracy is his biggest attribute as he is not blessed with much pace. If we can find a way for him to take advanced marks like he did the last day he will fire them over all day. He is effectively the fourth scoring forward we have (after Wash, Finnerty and Comer) but I do think we're better off utilizing him as an impact sub as opposed to being a starter.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0320/1364205-nfl-permutations-plot-lines-aplenty-ahead-of-final-day/
There's only one absolute certainty heading into the final round of Division 1 games, and that's Mayo's presence in the league final after Kevin McStay's revigorated outfit collected 10 points from a possible 12 - the latest of those wins coming against Donegal.
Galway are best placed to join them there and they will ensure a Connacht derby if they avoid defeat at home to Kerry.
Three other sides hold out hope of a top-two finish though.
If the Kingdom can win in Salthill, and Roscommon and Tyrone fail to win against Donegal and Armagh respectively, they'll set up a repeat of last year's final. Even if Tyrone and/or Roscommon win, a big scoring win could see Jack O'Connor's side progress.
Roscommon and Tyrone both need Kerry to win first and foremost to keep their final hopes alive. After that, if they win their games, then scoring difference will come into play.
As many as four teams could finish on eight points and at the moment Galway (+10) have the best scoring difference, with Kerry (+4) next and Tyrone and Roscommon both on +1.
The nature of the beast that is Division 1 football means that Kerry, Tyrone and Roscommon could technically still be relegated, but that would take a series of unfortunate events – or fortunate depending on where your loyalties lie.
For the fifth season in a row, Monaghan's safety hopes comes down to the final round
For that to happen, Monaghan would need to win in Mayo and Armagh in Tyrone. That would leave the second relegation spot on six points – the total Kerry, Tyrone and Roscommon are currently on - and scoring difference would again come into play.
The Farney County are the kings of last-day heroics, but if Armagh were to avoid a defeat in Omagh, then they'd need a massive win in Mayo to have any chance of survival. Their simplest route is victory in Castlebar and hope that Tyrone do them a favour.
Armagh have their destiny in their own hands and a win over Tyrone would be enough. A Mayo win over Monaghan would also secure another season in the top tier.
Mathematically, Donegal can still survive but their fate has been all but sealed.
Paddy Carr's side would need to beat Roscommon and hope that Monaghan and Mayo ends in a draw and Tyrone beat Armagh. If that was to happen, they'd still need a huge points swing with their scoring difference 28 points worse off than the Orchard County.
That doesn't make sense.
or the fifth season in a row, Monaghan's safety hopes comes down to the final round
For that to happen, Monaghan would need to win in Mayo and Armagh in Tyrone. That would leave the second relegation spot on six points – the total Kerry, Tyrone and Roscommon are currently on - and scoring difference would again come into play.
The Farney County are the kings of last-day heroics, but if Armagh were to avoid a defeat in Omagh, then they'd need a massive win in Mayo to have any chance of survival. Their simplest route is victory in Castlebar and hope that Tyrone do them a favour.
The first paragraph claims Monaghan needs Armagh to win, the second claims they need Tyrone to win!
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2023, 09:55:01 PM
That doesn't make sense.
or the fifth season in a row, Monaghan's safety hopes comes down to the final round
For that to happen, Monaghan would need to win in Mayo and Armagh in Tyrone. That would leave the second relegation spot on six points – the total Kerry, Tyrone and Roscommon are currently on - and scoring difference would again come into play.
The Farney County are the kings of last-day heroics, but if Armagh were to avoid a defeat in Omagh, then they'd need a massive win in Mayo to have any chance of survival. Their simplest route is victory in Castlebar and hope that Tyrone do them a favour.
The first paragraph claims Monaghan needs Armagh to win, the second claims they need Tyrone to win!
Think the word lose is missing there in first paragraph. They need us to lose in Tyrone
Quote from: LeoMc on March 21, 2023, 09:55:01 PM
That doesn't make sense.
or the fifth season in a row, Monaghan's safety hopes comes down to the final round
For that to happen, Monaghan would need to win in Mayo and Armagh in Tyrone. That would leave the second relegation spot on six points – the total Kerry, Tyrone and Roscommon are currently on - and scoring difference would again come into play.
The Farney County are the kings of last-day heroics, but if Armagh were to avoid a defeat in Omagh, then they'd need a massive win in Mayo to have any chance of survival. Their simplest route is victory in Castlebar and hope that Tyrone do them a favour.
The first paragraph claims Monaghan needs Armagh to win, the second claims they need Tyrone to win!
Strange alright. Mentions Armagh winning in Omagh, avoiding defeat and losing.
1st scenario puts Monaghan and Tyrone on 6 points, but he forgets to mention that Roscommon or Kerry also need to lose to put another team on 6 points and bring points difference into it instead of head-to-head.
2nd scenario is essentially the same, if Armagh avoid defeat, it means either Tyrone or Armagh finish on 6 points, but again that's no good on their own as Monaghan would lose on head-to-head, so need someone to join them on 6.
Some twists and turns TBF. Bar Mayo every team has something to play for and I suppose that's what you would want. The games this weekend will probably go the way I think they will with one exception "The Mayo v Monaghan game". With Mayo already guaranteed a play off spot will they play a weakened team?. If they still play their strongest team will Mayo go out with the cutting edge they've had? Monaghan can win this game bad and all as they've been due to Mayo maybe unintentionally taking their foot of the gas a bit (it is a natural thing to do when you don't have to win and they may well not set out to do this).
Tyrone v Armagh - Tyrone to win by 3pts
Kerry v Galway - Kerry to win by 5pts
Mayo v Monaghan - Mayo should win this but see above...
Roscommon v Donegal - Rossies to win by 3pts
If them results worked out like that or similar then Kerry would play Mayo os scoring difference with 4 teams on 8pts but the bottom is all about what happens in Mayo game.
No foot of gas Mayo are on a mission game in Healy Park is being hyped up but in reality its a dead rubber.
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No foot of gas Mayo are on a mission game in Healy Park is being hyped up but in reality its a dead rubber.
It's definitely not a dead rubber for Armagh. The bookies aren't usually far away and they have Monaghan at 6/4 to win in Mayo. Given Mayo have a league final the following Sunday and the first round of championship the week after I'd be surprised if they don't make at least 5/6 changes for this one. They should probably still win it but with the disruption to their team and Monaghan's motivation to stay up an away win is far from impossible.
I don't think you'll see any holding back in Omagh. Armagh will be going flat out to get the win and stay up. Tyrone won't want to lose any momentum now going into the championship and after what happened last year against Armagh have a bit of a point to prove. It'll be a physical hard fought game.
Actually fancy Monaghan to stay up .
If I were mayo given what's ahead I would rest my main players as they have bigger games upcoming .
Armagh have been poor this year and Tyrone are hitting some form , I can only see one winner in Omagh .
Quote from: naka on March 22, 2023, 09:32:15 AM
Actually fancy Monaghan to stay up .
If I were mayo given what's ahead I would rest my main players as they have bigger games upcoming .
Armagh have been poor this year and Tyrone are hitting some form , I can only see one winner in Omagh .
I would agree with that Naka, why would Mayo risk any of their top players in a game that means nothing to them. As for Omagh...it will be tight but i expect Tyrone to win by a few...
Tyrone haven't beaten Armagh or Derry in the last 5/6 attempts - have really struggled to break down their defences and conceded goals on the break. Will be interesting to see if any improvement this week. Based on this and Armagh's desire to stay up they probably should be favourites.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 22, 2023, 10:40:12 AM
Tyrone haven't beaten Armagh or Derry in the last 5/6 attempts - have really struggled to break down their defences and conceded goals on the break. Will be interesting to see if any improvement this week. Based on this and Armagh's desire to stay up they probably should be favourites.
Would agree with that. There is a style to win Ulster derbys and a separate style to compete with the big guns down south. We've really struggled with Derry & Armagh so it will be interesting to see what has been learned.
Armagh are favourites this Sunday. Tyrone couldn't beat them 3 times last season.
Tyrone are favourites - and deservedly so.
Forget about the last 5 or 6 years - we are slowly starting to look like a team again.
Armagh on the other hand have regressed completely from last year
We are tripping over ourselves to make the other side favourites. How typically GAA. :D
Quote from: Armamike on March 22, 2023, 11:09:40 AM
We are tripping over ourselves to make the other side favourites. How typically GAA. :D
No way - we are deservedly favourites.
Mind you I envisage an absolute borefest given what I have seen of Armagh lately
I'd make Tyrone fairly warm favourites to be honest based on performances in the last few weeks. Armagh have been in awful from what I have seen of them and not knowing how to use their best players and we seemed to have got our act together in terms of how we are set up particularly defensively.
Quote from: square_ball on March 22, 2023, 11:41:35 AM
I'd make Tyrone fairly warm favourites to be honest based on performances in the last few weeks. Armagh have been in awful from what I have seen of them and not knowing how to use their best players and we seemed to have got our act together in terms of how we are set up particularly defensively.
That is the point. What happened last year is neither here nor there. Last weekend, Tyrone have obviously got their act together and Armagh have not. Perhaps in June or July Armagh will have their act together, but it is difficult to see them doing so in a week.
Can't see anything other than an Armagh win unfortunately. They have far more to play for and are due a good performance.
Armagh by 4.
Quote from: Armamike on March 22, 2023, 11:09:40 AM
We are tripping over ourselves to make the other side favourites. How typically GAA. :D
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 22, 2023, 11:47:36 AM
Can't see anything other than an Armagh win unfortunately. They have far more to play for and are due a good performance.
Armagh by 4.
Is this Tyrone yerra?
Will be some craic when news filters through from Castlebar that Monaghan are two up, and Armagh two down going into injury time :-)
Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Will be some craic when news filters through from Castlebar that Monaghan are two up, and Armagh two down going into injury time :-)
And then big Raff buries one in the top corner ;).
Looking like division 2 for us next year. Maybe do no harm, get a few wins together and decent chance at silverware.
Quote from: Armamike on March 22, 2023, 11:09:40 AM
We are tripping over ourselves to make the other side favourites. How typically GAA. :D
trust me there is nothing more that i would want to see than Armagh beating our neighbours
Interesting to see Tyrone fans turning into Kerry fans prior to this match with all of the talking up the opposition. I expect a reaction to all of the criticism from Armagh this Sunday with survival on the line and what better way to do it than to beat Tyrone in Omagh.
That said I think Tyrone will edge this one as well, if they can't beat an Armagh side who have stunk the place out in recent weeks then it doesn't say much for their championship fortunes.
Maybe it show's how far Armagh have come that they are getting so much criticism based on this year. If you look at the results- they beat Monaghan and Donegal (two counties that had been well ahead of Armagh in earlier years) and drew with Mayo (only them and Galway got anywhere close to Mayo). They lost to last year's All Ireland champions by a point and the runners up by 2 points. These results were achieved despite a long injury list. The only really bad result was the Roscommon one and they also beat Tyrone around the same time.
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Will be some craic when news filters through from Castlebar that Monaghan are two up, and Armagh two down going into injury time :-)
And then big Raff buries one in the top corner ;).
Looking like division 2 for us next year. Maybe do no harm, get a few wins together and decent chance at silverware.
Armagh should be fine as long as it doesn't go to penalties
Quote from: Taylor on March 22, 2023, 11:23:50 AM
Quote from: Armamike on March 22, 2023, 11:09:40 AM
We are tripping over ourselves to make the other side favourites. How typically GAA. :D
No way - we are deservedly favourites.
Mind you I envisage an absolute borefest given what I have seen of Armagh lately
The Tyrone bravado is back! Fair play to you. I agree, you are deservedly favourites.
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2023, 12:00:15 PM
Will be some craic when news filters through from Castlebar that Monaghan are two up, and Armagh two down going into injury time :-)
And then big Raff buries one in the top corner ;).
Looking like division 2 for us next year. Maybe do no harm, get a few wins together and decent chance at silverware.
In fairness, he looks like the only Armagh player likely to bury one in the top corner this year ... and that says alot.
Highland Radio reporting Paddy Carr has resigned as Donegal manager.
God, Donegal are in a real mess
Would guess the whole backroom team is going with him.
Doesnt leave much time for a new team to come in with cship around the corner.
Or will Kavanagh step up now?
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Would guess the whole backroom team is going with him.
Doesnt leave much time for a new team to come in with cship around the corner.
Or will Kavanagh step up now?
Aidan O'Rourke. Stepping in Sunday as manager. Would be better off then appointing a new management team for the championship. Kavanagh if still interested and can't blame him if he says no.
Sam Alderdice
Mayo footballers request league final to be played day earlier than planned
The county's Connacht SFC quarter-final takes place against Roscommon in Castlebar on April 9.
Mayo footballers request league final to be played day earlier than planned
Mayo's senior footballers have written to the GAA requesting their Allianz Division 1 final be played on Saturday week.
A county source confirmed player representatives issued a letter to the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) asking that they may consider arranging the match on April 1 as opposed to a day later. Mayo's Connacht SFC quarter-final takes place against Roscommon in Castlebar on April 9.
Unbeaten Mayo, who qualified for their third final in five years courtesy of beating Donegal last weekend, articulated their concern about the quick turnaround between the games. The Roscommon game will be their fourth game in as many weekends, their seventh in eight weekends.
An official request for a specific date has to be made by the Mayo County Board. It remains to be seen if one could be facilitated as broadcasters TG4 have organised live slots for both days with Division 3 and 4 finals usually taking place on Saturday and the Division 1 and 2 matches on Sunday
I know the schedule is known well in advance but it does seem to be a bit mad to be playing the first round of the championship a week you finish up the league.
If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
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If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
Bonkers of scheduling.
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If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
Bonkers of scheduling.
And not one bit need for it.
It was a bad idea to launch the new championship setup before club championships were standardised. Clubs take up too much time running their championships. A 2 or 3 week break would be fair to county players.
the scheduling is an absolute shit show and for no reason
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If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
Bonkers of scheduling.
And not one bit need for it.
With the split season two weeks between the Connacht quarter-finals and the semi-finals seems excessive.
Can't help but feel it's already a holdover from a time when there were a lot less games.
Probably be a bit of a nightmare to reschedule flights to Ny and London.
I can see a scenario where one of the teams involved decide not to field in a league final.
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If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
Bonkers of scheduling.
And not one bit need for it.
With the split season two weeks between the Connacht quarter-finals and the semi-finals seems excessive.
Can't help but feel it's already a holdover from a time when there were a lot less games.
Probably be a bit of a nightmare to reschedule flights to Ny and London.
Over the years John Prenty and Co have been keen to schedule those London, New York games on Bank Holiday weekend which allows more suits to attend those matches.
Why Mayo v Roscommon was shoehorned into Easter weekend is a bit of mystery. The loser of that game will then have to wait 6 to 7 weeks to play their next game.
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If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
Bonkers of scheduling.
And not one bit need for it.
With the split season two weeks between the Connacht quarter-finals and the semi-finals seems excessive.
Can't help but feel it's already a holdover from a time when there were a lot less games.
Probably be a bit of a nightmare to reschedule flights to Ny and London.
Over the years John Prenty and Co have been keen to schedule those London, New York games on Bank Holiday weekend which allows more suits to attend those matches.
Why Mayo v Roscommon was shoehorned into Easter weekend is a bit of mystery. The loser of that game will then have to wait 6 to 7 weeks to play their next game.
You'd presume its the reverse. Connacht GAA looking at all the people that would come home from abroad for the Easter weekend for the championship.
If it's Mayo v Roscommon league final how hard would it be to double up that championship game on April 9th as the league final?
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Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2023, 04:37:06 PM
If Leitrim and /or Sligo get to the D4 Final they have NY/London away the following weekend!
Bonkers of scheduling.
And not one bit need for it.
With the split season two weeks between the Connacht quarter-finals and the semi-finals seems excessive.
Can't help but feel it's already a holdover from a time when there were a lot less games.
Probably be a bit of a nightmare to reschedule flights to Ny and London.
Over the years John Prenty and Co have been keen to schedule those London, New York games on Bank Holiday weekend which allows more suits to attend those matches.
Why Mayo v Roscommon was shoehorned into Easter weekend is a bit of mystery. The loser of that game will then have to wait 6 to 7 weeks to play their next game.
You'd presume its the reverse. Connacht GAA looking at all the people that would come home from abroad for the Easter weekend for the championship.
Like this bollix
https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/irishman-living-in-britain-vows-to-back-brexit-because-immigrants-are-coming-to-london-to-take-work-34757338.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/23/donegal-gaa-have-questions-to-answer-after-a-disastrous-few-months/Brian McEniff, manager of the county's first All-Ireland winners in 1992, is hopeful things can get back on track but concedes that the blow to development is a major concern.
"There is an advantage that some of the counties on the western seaboard have. We have a population of nearly 170,000, which gives us a distinct advantage over, say, the Monaghans.
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If it's Mayo v Roscommon league final how hard would it be to double up that championship game on April 9th as the league final?
Once Connacht Council/Mr Prenty gets all the gate receipts ;)
Read on an Our Ma forum that Rian O'Neill got injury to shoulder and out for the year.
Nail. In. The. Casket... Geezer didn't last long in Div1!
Quote from: 5times5times on March 24, 2023, 09:02:25 AM
Read on an Our Ma forum that Rian O'Neill got injury to shoulder and out for the year.
Nail. In. The. Casket... Geezer didn't last long in Div1!
Don't believe everything you read online....
Get that sinking feeling for Armagh, events in Castlebar the only thing likely to save us and if Mayo throw out a 2nd team it could be curtains. I think both sides will be well motivated and Tyrone are on a better trajectory atm than us, hard to flip a switch/ mindset / style, but as this will likely be an arm wrestle our horrible current style might be a benefit in this game. MF is the obvious concern, trying to shoehorn the likes of TK, Campbell in there is not good and both are off form atm imo. Seemed strange the last day, those pair in MF, Mackin at 5 (great as he was), McElroy at 12, I know in the MF 8 positions they are all pretty much grafters but I doubt line outs like that inspire confidence in players or fans. The criminal underuse of our quality forwards the other major concern. Turbitt has to start imo but no doubt Jemar Hall will get another nod. Ross McQuillan made some bad choices on the ball last week but I think he needs a full game otherwise he's going to depart in the long run.
RTE's GAA podcast have reported that Rian O'Neill is out on Sunday and most likely for first round of Championship as well.
There's no way in hell McStay going to name even a 75% strength team imo. Why would he risk any of his main men in a meaningless game. The league final the week after is the perfect opportunity to go hard in prep for the championship game.
I'd be very nervous If I'm from Armagh...
- Monaghan have that traditional dog fight in last game mentality
- Mayo likely to go very weak
- Tyrone playing for league final and have the motivation of the Armagh defeats last year.
- breaking news, Rian O'Neill out too
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 24, 2023, 09:45:08 AM
There's no way in hell McStay going to name even a 75% strength team imo. Why would he risk any of his main men in a meaningless game. The league final the week after is the perfect opportunity to go hard in prep for the championship game.
I'd be very nervous If I'm from Armagh...
- Monaghan have that traditional dog fight in last game mentality
- Mayo likely to go very weak
- Tyrone playing for league final and have the motivation of the Armagh defeats last year.
- breaking news, Rian O'Neill out too
Ive already accepted we are going down
The comedy roadshow that is Willie Joe's blog goes on
https://www.mayogaablog.com/its-worth-a-shot-asking-for-saturday-league-final/
Supposedly it's a player welfare issue to ask Mayo to play 7 days after a league final. But Mayo's opponents having to play 6 days after a dog fight to get to said final (which they're requesting to happen), is absolutely fine seemingly
And this is the fella that runs the site. He's actually tame compared to the rest of the yahoos on there
Quote from: balladmaker on March 24, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
RTE's GAA podcast have reported that Rian O'Neill is out on Sunday and most likely for first round of Championship as well.
All not well in the orchard it seems.
Its all coming out in the wash.
Out. Injured. For the Year?!
Is that Right aye?
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 24, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
RTE's GAA podcast have reported that Rian O'Neill is out on Sunday and most likely for first round of Championship as well.
All not well in the orchard it seems.
Its all coming out in the wash.
Out. Injured. For the Year?!
Is that Right aye?
The report said that he would be out for 2 weeks, that is a long way short of a year.
Hes no more injured
I'd be fearful that if Mayo put out an entirely new starting 15 that Monaghan may well get the result they need in Castlebar. The fact that they have requested a Saturday date for the League final would indicate to me that this is a distinct possibility. I still think that a Mayo 2nd string could get a result but I wouldn't be overly confident either. We just have to take care of our own business in Omagh and as the game creeps closer I am quietly confident that the recent criticism, the fact that survival is on the line and the sight of a Tyrone jersey will be enough to fire us up and get the result we need to render the Mayo match irrelevant.
Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
Quote from: harryR on March 24, 2023, 12:04:38 PM
Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Quote from: Manning18 on March 24, 2023, 10:37:13 AM
The comedy roadshow that is Willie Joe's blog goes on
https://www.mayogaablog.com/its-worth-a-shot-asking-for-saturday-league-final/
Supposedly it's a player welfare issue to ask Mayo to play 7 days after a league final. But Mayo's opponents having to play 6 days after a dog fight to get to said final (which they're requesting to happen), is absolutely fine seemingly
And this is the fella that runs the site. He's actually tame compared to the rest of the yahoos on there
I don't think there's any chance of that happening. Mayo can put out a completely different team this weekend as it is.
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Had been wondering where Oisin was. Did he miss all of last year too? Is it a run of injuries?
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Had been wondering where Oisin was. Did he miss all of last year too? Is it a run of injuries?
achilles injury I believe. Has had no luck with injuries
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Had been wondering where Oisin was. Did he miss all of last year too? Is it a run of injuries?
He had a substantial operation in London to address an Achilles injury and isn't match fit yet in recovery from that.
He'd need to be playing for the club before he could envisage a return to county.
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Had been wondering where Oisin was. Did he miss all of last year too? Is it a run of injuries?
He had a substantial operation in London to address an Achilles injury and isn't match fit yet in recovery from that.
He'd need to be playing for the club before he could envisage a return to county.
He missed all last year with the club as well didn't he? Fully fit he would be a massive player for armagh
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Heard Rian was out injured then heard some other nonsense via social media channels ::)
If ONeill doesnt play Sunday then we can have no complaints if we dont win
Monaghan are brutal. Add in the suspension of 2 players and McManus playing little to no football this last while. Armagh will be fine
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0324/1366163-blow-for-armagh-as-rian-oneill-to-miss-ulster-opener/
nonsense me hole lads
Quote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2023, 11:59:16 AM
I'd be fearful that if Mayo put out an entirely new starting 15 that Monaghan may well get the result they need in Castlebar. The fact that they have requested a Saturday date for the League final would indicate to me that this is a distinct possibility. I still think that a Mayo 2nd string could get a result but I wouldn't be overly confident either. We just have to take care of our own business in Omagh and as the game creeps closer I am quietly confident that the recent criticism, the fact that survival is on the line and the sight of a Tyrone jersey will be enough to fire us up and get the result we need to render the Mayo match irrelevant.
Armagh drew with Mayo so i would expect Monaghan to beat a 2nd string Mayo side and they will make many changes with the final on the following week.
All comes down to result in Omagh i feel. Even a draw would keep Armagh up so long as Monaghan don't win by 15 points.
6 to 8 weeks out for Rian O'Neill
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/2023/03/24/news/armagh_star_rian_o_neill_ruled_for_six-to-eight_weeks_with_quad_injury-3161559/
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Had been wondering where Oisin was. Did he miss all of last year too? Is it a run of injuries?
He had a substantial operation in London to address an Achilles injury and isn't match fit yet in recovery from that.
He'd need to be playing for the club before he could envisage a return to county.
He missed all last year with the club as well didn't he? Fully fit he would be a massive player for armagh
Where would he play? Midfield or closer to the goals? Would he be similar level of quality to Rian?
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Any Armagh posters. What's the story with Oisin O'Neill? Will both brothers be missing or are either likely to come back for championship. if rumours are true
dont think we will see Oisin this year. Dont know whats going on with Rian
Had been wondering where Oisin was. Did he miss all of last year too? Is it a run of injuries?
He had a substantial operation in London to address an Achilles injury and isn't match fit yet in recovery from that.
He'd need to be playing for the club before he could envisage a return to county.
He missed all last year with the club as well didn't he? Fully fit he would be a massive player for armagh
Where would he play? Midfield or closer to the goals? Would he be similar level of quality to Rian?
Either tbh. Yes every bit as good when he's at it.
Forget about him this year though.
A boost for Monaghan
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Killian Lavelle has had his red card overturned ahead of Sunday’s final round Allianz Football League clash against Mayo in Castlebar.
The Clontibret defender was sent off by referee Joe McQuillan in the 48th minute of the Farney men’s loss to Tyrone in Clones last weekend for an alleged off-the-ball incident.
However, following Monaghan’s appeal to GAA’s Central Hearings Committee (CHC) last night (Thursday), the red card has been rescinded.
It leaves Lavelle free to line-out against Mayo this weekend in what is a crucial encounter for the Farney men as they look to hold on to their Division 1 status
Damien Comer named on the Galway bench for Sunday I see. Gleeson the goalkeeper not even a sub this weekend.
As for Mayo. Robbie Hennelly, Pádraig O'Hora, Michael Plunkett, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLoughlin, Frank Irwin, and Conor McStay are listed to start for the first time this year. 9 changes in total from last weekend.
Is Eoghan Kelly injured at the minute? Hasn't been seen since the Monaghan game, was going well in the league I thought so unfortunate if he is sidelined and not available for the squad.
Good to see John Daly not in trouble after having to leave the pitch in the closing minutes of the Armagh game.
Comer should be treated with unbelievable care anyway, he's come back too soon previously and gone again, vital that himself and McDaid are fit for the business end of things.
I don't think Power is much of an improvement between the sticks, has been tried and been not good enough before.
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A boost for Monaghan
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Killian Lavelle has had his red card overturned ahead of Sunday's final round Allianz Football League clash against Mayo in Castlebar.
The Clontibret defender was sent off by referee Joe McQuillan in the 48th minute of the Farney men's loss to Tyrone in Clones last weekend for an alleged off-the-ball incident.
However, following Monaghan's appeal to GAA's Central Hearings Committee (CHC) last night (Thursday), the red card has been rescinded.
It leaves Lavelle free to line-out against Mayo this weekend in what is a crucial encounter for the Farney men as they look to hold on to their Division 1 status
I don't know about the boost affect but it somewhat reverses the effect of that ridiculous McQuillan red card, he who had lost the run of himself in that game, though he did manage to achieve the impossible, to make Conor Lane appear a paragon of referring virtue by comparison.
I see Galway v Kerry is on the TG4. Someone said bbc was showing armagh Tyrone?
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I see Galway v Kerry is on the TG4. Someone said bbc was showing armagh Tyrone?
Tyrone v Armagh on the BBC iplayer app
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I see Galway v Kerry is on the TG4. Someone said bbc was showing armagh Tyrone?
Tyrone v Armagh on the BBC iplayer app
Are you sure. They said they were showing 8 games of GAA and they have done that.
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I see Galway v Kerry is on the TG4. Someone said bbc was showing armagh Tyrone?
2 Gaeltacht counties
I see there's a rumour doing the rounds that Omagh is unplayable and the game may be switched to the athletic grounds
Nowhere else in Tyrone? Didn't edendork host kerry one year
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I see there's a rumour doing the rounds that Omagh is unplayable and the game may be switched to the athletic grounds
It hasn't rained since this morning and doesn't give rain tomorrow?
Plus I thought they improved the pitch so this wouldn't be an issue.
Rian O'Neill listed to start. :o
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Rian O'Neill listed to start. :o
Weird one alright, I don't get it.
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I see Galway v Kerry is on the TG4. Someone said bbc was showing armagh Tyrone?
Tyrone v Armagh on the BBC iplayer app
Are you sure. They said they were showing 8 games of GAA and they have done that.
https://twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI/status/1639718012554018817
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I see there's a rumour doing the rounds that Omagh is unplayable and the game may be switched to the athletic grounds
It hasn't rained since this morning and doesn't give rain tomorrow?
Plus I thought they improved the pitch so this wouldn't be an issue.
A county pitch that is unplayable after 48 hours with no rain, bar a shower, wouldn't be a good show.
Same team as last week, a load of bollocks. Bring in a rule you name your team for the programme an any changes made they come of your allocated subs. Allow one AN Other like the old days if you are maybe waiting on a late fitness test.
Just tired of this nonsense.
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Same team as last week, a load of bollocks. Bring in a rule you name your team for the programme an any changes made they come of your allocated subs. Allow one AN Other like the old days if you are maybe waiting on a late fitness test.
Just tired of this nonsense.
It is a bit immature for a first division game.
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Same team as last week, a load of bollocks. Bring in a rule you name your team for the programme an any changes made they come of your allocated subs. Allow one AN Other like the old days if you are maybe waiting on a late fitness test.
Just tired of this nonsense.
Dry your eyes you yap. Wtf does it matter
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Same team as last week, a load of bollocks. Bring in a rule you name your team for the programme an any changes made they come of your allocated subs. Allow one AN Other like the old days if you are maybe waiting on a late fitness test.
Just tired of this nonsense.
It is a bit immature for a first division game.
Not just naming him on the starting team but also putting Rian O'Neills picture in the graphic is really silly. What is the PRO at? It's not like Rians injury hasn't been widely reported at this stage.
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Same team as last week, a load of bollocks. Bring in a rule you name your team for the programme an any changes made they come of your allocated subs. Allow one AN Other like the old days if you are maybe waiting on a late fitness test.
Just tired of this nonsense.
It is a bit immature for a first division game.
Not just naming him on the starting team but also putting Rian O'Neills picture in the graphic is really silly. What is the PRO at? It's not like Rians injury hasn't been widely reported at this stage.
Again wtf does it matter to you? Who knows the whole story could be bullsh1t
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Again wtf does it matter to you? Who knows the whole story could be bullsh1t
Accurate information is important. Rian O'Neill is injured.
Maybe the team was submitted for printing before Rian got injured on Wednesday night 😉
Seen a GAA page there on social media suggest that the injury is a cover story for a bust up. So what is the truth?
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Seen a GAA page there on social media suggest that the injury is a cover story for a bust up. So what is the truth?
Loads of WhatsApp's floating around about a bustup... tomorrow will be interesting if he does play!
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Seen a GAA page there on social media suggest that the injury is a cover story for a bust up. So what is the truth?
He's injured
A huge day today.
16 matches. 5 promotion and 2 relegation spots.
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A huge day today.
16 matches. 5 promotion and 2 relegation spots.
Huge crowd in the main stand already at Healy Park.
Its like Clones in July Armagh fans are out in force.
What's the Omagh pitch like
Seems ok but bit dodgy around the goalmouths.
16 mins
Roscommon 0-07 Donegal 0-05
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Mayo 0-02 Monaghan 1-03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfka9m6NhzE
And so ends the New, Kerry keepers run out for the year.
Galway 1-7 Dhera 0-5
Monaghan 1-6 Mayo 0-8
As it stands. Galway v Mayo Final. Armagh, Donegal relegated
Who commentator instead of Murphy on the BBC iplayer?
Philly McMahon
Apple munchers staring into the abyss.
Some strong accent, please take him back.
Donegal are appalling. No chance of Ros getting relegated.
Level in Cashelbar.
What looked like a perfectly good point from Aidan Forker waved wide by the umpire!
2 terrible calls by cassidy for armagh there. 2 shambolic frees given in last 5mins. And that was 100% a point
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What looked like a perfectly good point from Aidan Forker waved wide by the umpire!
It looked like the umpire wasn't even looking up by the time the ball was crossing the end line
There's the problem with the Black card rule, O'Shea deliberately dragged and pulled at Cooke there taking him down, started outside the square, so free in, but a tackle like that, that was leading to a possible goal chance should be a black card.
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What looked like a perfectly good point from Aidan Forker waved wide by the umpire!
Be hilarious if that relegates Armagh.
Disgraceful frontal charge on Kennedy.
Disgraceful. Red card in any sport.
All eyes now to castlebar
Win for Galway
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
No22 for Armagh there with the most ridiculous shot you'll ever see there when they need a goal.
Just glad that the losing to Armagh rot has now been well and truly stopped!
They're gonna get some sickener when they see the other result
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Good win to pretty much guarantee div 1 football. Dirty day for decent football but job done. Now on to next week to relegate the apple munchers.
Don't think so ye trainless throne bastads!! We'll bate the shite out of yiz easily
Near choked on my drink laughing at that. Calm down son. If armagh focused on football instead of this hard man attitude they would have won a few AIs
Well this aged well.
I think it it was Declan Bogue who said that Tyrone usually get interested in Round 4
Where did it all go wrong for Armagh?
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Where did it all go wrong for Armagh?
By giving mcgeeney another year after year of disappointment
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Where did it all go wrong for Armagh?
By giving mcgeeney another year after year of disappointment
The cockroaches of Division 1 hang on once again. For once I'm grateful for a Tyrone win.
Delighted for Vinny to keep the team up in his first season, when he was coming in with little experience and the team very much in transition. Loads of young lads brought in and they'll have Division 1 football next season aswell to blood more.
what is there left to say about Monaghan. Every year its the same story. They are as tough as nails and never give up
Can't see Armagh doing much this year, def way bck from last year. Not much defence the day giving away 18pts.
Very sloppy of Armagh to get relegated. tsk tsk
Armagh could build yet as a great ulster draw. If they don't get to the ulster final then forget about it
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Can't see Armagh doing much this year, def way bck from last year. Not much defence the day giving away 18pts.
therein lies the problem. Better going forward but poorer in defence for it
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Entertaining game today, Armagh played well in comparison to the dross we've been serving up all year. The losses of O'Neill & now Murnin leave a pretty bleak looking Spring. Unless we win Ulster or get a really good run in the AI Series I'd say McGeeney will go, his term is up anyway I believe.
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what is there left to say about Monaghan. Every year its the same story. They are as tough as nails and never give up
A year or two in Division 2 may have done them good. No point in just about surviving each year. They have won 2 ulsters in over 20 years and that's about it.
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
They might just relegate Dublin again then
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what is there left to say about Monaghan. Every year its the same story. They are as tough as nails and never give up
A year or two in Division 2 may have done them good. No point in just about surviving each year. They have won 2 ulsters in over 20 years and that's about it.
Yeah but i suppose when you're in D1 you want to stay there.
Donegal have been terrible this year. Despite getting the early win against Kerry they couldn't kick on and were a long way behind the other 7 in the end
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what is there left to say about Monaghan. Every year its the same story. They are as tough as nails and never give up
A year or two in Division 2 may have done them good. No point in just about surviving each year. They have won 2 ulsters in over 20 years and that's about it.
Good for what though? The main goal when in transition is to blood younger players - and if you can do that in the top division and still stay up, why is that a bad thing? I'll take competing against the best teams over getting relegated and then promotion from Division 2 tbh.
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
Seafold hasn't got a heart ;D Even when he has been offered the opportunity to offer up a few morsels of humble pie, instead he amps up the begrudgery.
fair play to monaghan for saving themselves yet again, but they're not division 1 standard, let's be serious. armagh have no one to blame but themselves. if they hadn't sacrificed their identity to play awful negative shite, they'd probably have stayed up.
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 04:17:18 PM
Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Derry coughed up a big lead vs Cork.
Cavan coughed up a big lead vs Fermanagh.
It might just be harder than you imagine to give a f**k when it's not your turn to give a f**k.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 04:17:18 PM
Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
I'd base nothing on that result. Mayo lads rested, squad players getting game time and players minding themselves for more important games the next couple of weeks.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 04:17:18 PM
Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league, when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 26, 2023, 04:17:18 PM
Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
i mean, they didn't look remotely interested in winning.
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Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.
Kerry, Dublin and Galway don't have to play a Division One team (who retained their Division one status) in a Championship match in 2 weeks time.
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Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.
Kerry, Dublin and Galway don't have to play a Division One team (who retained their Division one status) in a Championship match in 2 weeks time.
Good point and it's probably the reason Mayo are a bit ahead. However my point was it's all about the All Ireland for Mayo and I don't think they'll be near it when the other contenders catch up by June, early July.
It was a decent game in Omagh today, plenty of mistakes by both sides but at least there was little of the backways sideways crap that we had become accustomed to as Armagh fans throughout this years League. Mayo done Monaghan a huge favour by rolling over and getting their tummies tickled and there was little chance that Tyrone would do the same for us. Tyrone played the game like it was an All Ireland final even though they had nothing at stake but Armagh only have ourselves to blame after playing negative turgid stuff for much of the League. It was always going to be difficult today without our best player and then losing Murnin also in in the first half.
Did you a favour today Monaghan buachaillí, but don't be expecting an equal concession first day out in the Ulster! ;)
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Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.
Kerry, Dublin and Galway don't have to play a Division One team (who retained their Division one status) in a Championship match in 2 weeks time.
Good point and it's probably the reason Mayo are a bit ahead. However my point was it's all about the All Ireland for Mayo and I don't think they'll be near it when the other contenders catch up by June, early July.
ah i think they will be. kerry don't look right to me and are an injury or two away from crisis, dublin lacking an identity and calling on old stalwarts reeks of desperation from dessie. don't see either getting over the line.
galway are going very well and in my opinion will win the championship. they are close to being the finished article. mayo could go close as i think a few of their players will prefer the drier ground come summer.
tyrone are there too. could take a scalp but don't see them finishing the job.
You'd have to feel sorry for Armagh, the Fixtures layout seen Monaghan get a free go at Mayo.
Summary:
Mayo-All bluster or first year bounce for McStay? Time will tell.
Galway-gritty outfit-can beat anybody but is the self belief there to win something big?
Roscommon-tough but a bit behind Galway.
Tyrone-sobering up and some new blood-dangerous but could flop.
Kerry-not convinced this year. But they're Kerry.
Monaghan-look like they might struggle in championship.
Armagh-very disappointing. This team shouldn't be going down. McGeeney?
Donegal-bucked.
Felt for Clare in div2 . Played better than ever this year and just fell short of some big scalps but as a result going down.
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Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.
Kerry, Dublin and Galway don't have to play a Division One team (who retained their Division one status) in a Championship match in 2 weeks time.
Good point and it's probably the reason Mayo are a bit ahead. However my point was it's all about the All Ireland for Mayo and I don't think they'll be near it when the other contenders catch up by June, early July.
ah i think they will be. kerry don't look right to me and are an injury or two away from crisis, dublin lacking an identity and calling on old stalwarts reeks of desperation from dessie. don't see either getting over the line.
galway are going very well and in my opinion will win the championship. they are close to being the finished article. mayo could go close as i think a few of their players will prefer the drier ground come summer.
tyrone are there too. could take a scalp but don't see them finishing the job.
They (Mayo) are going in the right direction. There will always be a doubt, because they are Mayo. Just like Kerry always get mentioned in the business end because they are Kerry. Not sure about Galway. Next week will tell a
small tale for both counties. Galway holding the advantage as they have a Plethora of weeks off after and can leave it all out on the Pitch!
Can't fault McStay so far. He has done rather well. Also his his PR skills are excellent (he's been at that stuff a long time). He knows the right things to say.
Just watching the Armagh game there, that's a very bad hit by the Armagh fullback, straight frontal shoulder at head high. Amazed it wasn't red, maybe more on the fact the impact swung Kennedy head bck rather than the shoulder.
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Just watching the Armagh game there, that's a very bad hit by the Armagh fullback, straight frontal shoulder at head high. Amazed it wasn't red, maybe more on the fact the impact swung Kennedy head bck rather than the shoulder.
Standard fare from that shower.
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Just watching the Armagh game there, that's a very bad hit by the Armagh fullback, straight frontal shoulder at head high. Amazed it wasn't red, maybe more on the fact the impact swung Kennedy head bck rather than the shoulder.
If your full back hadn't made the hit there you'd be asking questions off him. It looked bad as both players were travelling at speed but once he'd committed he couldn't exactly pull out it was just unfortunate for Kennedy to be on the receiving end of it.
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You'd have to feel sorry for Armagh, the Fixtures layout seen Monaghan get a free go at Mayo.
You could also argue that Mayo had lads today trying it play their way in. Also it takes some teams a few games to get started in the league (opposite of Mayo today). E.g. Donegal got a free hit against Kerry and beat them. That they couldn't capitalise on that is their own fault.
From what I've seen this year there is nothing to separate Monaghan, Roscommon and Armagh. Roscommon did their work early and were lucky to get Donegal today. They had just as big an advantage today as Monaghan had.
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Just watching the Armagh game there, that's a very bad hit by the Armagh fullback, straight frontal shoulder at head high. Amazed it wasn't red, maybe more on the fact the impact swung Kennedy head bck rather than the shoulder.
Haven't seen it back but looked a good hit in real time. Certainly no one seemed to overly complain amongst the players and in fact players seemed to take up positions thinking a hop had been awarded. It was the third similar hit in the game. One resulted in a booking, one in a hop ball and one in play on. Very inconsistent performance from the ref today.
All that said Tyrone deserved the win. When Armagh finally got ahead they immediately retreated. No killer instinct, poor tactically. Something needs to improve. Alas whilst I've lost faith in Geezer I imagine he will get another few seasons yet. Interesting to note Sligo and Wicklow promoted (I think), both under positive minded Armagh Managers.....
Back to drawing board for Armagh could feel for a few weeks that relegation was coming down the tracks. Monaghan lucky to get Mayo in Castlebar with nothing to play for and Mayo were well entitled to rest 10 first choice players.
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fair play to monaghan for saving themselves yet again, but they're not division 1 standard, let's be serious. armagh have no one to blame but themselves. if they hadn't sacrificed their identity to play awful negative shite, they'd probably have stayed up.
This is a load of shite tbf, Monaghan have been in division 1 for near a decade now, that doesn't happen if you're not "division 1 standard". Every team plays the same games and the truth tells in the end. We've had it both ways where we've played teams with nothing to play for on the last day, or everything to play for - so I'm not accepting that argument either.
A proper round robin with home and away fixtures for each opponent could help some of these dead rubber / cold start/finish scenarios.
It could never work at the minute with how the league and championship are split up with deadlines to complete each before club football.
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That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
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Just watching the Armagh game there, that's a very bad hit by the Armagh fullback, straight frontal shoulder at head high. Amazed it wasn't red, maybe more on the fact the impact swung Kennedy head bck rather than the shoulder.
Haven't seen it back but looked a good hit in real time. Certainly no one seemed to overly complain amongst the players and in fact players seemed to take up positions thinking a hop had been awarded. It was the third similar hit in the game. One resulted in a booking, one in a hop ball and one in play on. Very inconsistent performance from the ref today.
All that said Tyrone deserved the win. When Armagh finally got ahead they immediately retreated. No killer instinct, poor tactically. Something needs to improve. Alas whilst I've lost faith in Geezer I imagine he will get another few seasons yet. Interesting to note Sligo and Wicklow promoted (I think), both under positive minded Armagh Managers.....
Bad hit on review. Looked like he raised the shoulder high but that may have just been the angle. Kennedy just turning into made it look worse I think. Yellow card right call, don't think it justified anything more.
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It was a decent game in Omagh today, plenty of mistakes by both sides but at least there was little of the backways sideways crap that we had become accustomed to as Armagh fans throughout this years League. Mayo done Monaghan a huge favour by rolling over and getting their tummies tickled and there was little chance that Tyrone would do the same for us. Tyrone played the game like it was an All Ireland final even though they had nothing at stake but Armagh only have ourselves to blame after playing negative turgid stuff for much of the League. It was always going to be difficult today without our best player and then losing Murnin also in in the first half.
No.. no they didn't. They played well in places and poorly in others, but certainly not at championship, let alone all Ireland pace or standard.
Both teams left a lot of scores behind and I'm sure Armagh will feel they could have got a result on a different day where a few wides went over instead.
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
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I think size is a cop out , honestly.Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Monaghan has the same population as Carlow. Carlow finished 6th in Division 4. Do you think size is a cop out for Carlow also?
Laughing at some of the comments on the match here. Tyrone players weren't running around fist pumping to the crowd when the ball went over the bar. Said to a mate that armagh were going to lose the heads and true to form a poor hit on kennedy. Red card all day long. Good to see some of the reserves played well for Tyrone today such as gallen, mcnamee and mcgleenan. Mcnamees looked rusty at the start but played very well as the game progressed
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Would you ever go away to fck, ;D you're the one who condescendingly kept spouting on about Monaghan punching above their weight.
You're a sham, Seafold.
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Would you ever go away to fck, ;D you're the one who condescendingly kept spouting on about Monaghan punching above their weight.
You're a sham, Seafold.
He's an absolute gobshite. A sham, however, is a Tuam native, so could actually be true:)
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Monaghan have been very good for more than a generation now. And size is absolutely a huge factor. No other 'small' county has got anywhere near their level for a long time. I think they're remarkable to be honest. You're talking nonsense
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fair play to monaghan for saving themselves yet again, but they're not division 1 standard, let's be serious. armagh have no one to blame but themselves. if they hadn't sacrificed their identity to play awful negative shite, they'd probably have stayed up.
Bizarre view. How many more consecutive years in Division one do Monaghan require to be considered that standard in your view?
Monaghan last year and the year before found ways to beat both Galway,Dublin to avoid the drop and probably wouldn't have matter who they played today as they'd find a way to win as they really come alive in round 7.
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Would you ever go away to fck, ;D you're the one who condescendingly kept spouting on about Monaghan punching above their weight.
You're a sham, Seafold.
I'm not from Tuam. Monaghan is one of the few serious counties who haven't won an all Ireland. Usually there is a psychological reason where there is a glass ceiling.
https://youtu.be/33Mr5JV49tg
But do carry on.
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I think size is a cop out , honestly.Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Monaghan has the same population as Carlow. Carlow finished 6th in Division 4. Do you think size is a cop out for Carlow also?
Carlow is a smaller version of Kildare.
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Monaghan last year and the year before found ways to beat both Galway,Dublin to avoid the drop and probably wouldn't have matter who they played today as they'd find a way to win as they really come alive in round 7.
While Monaghan have admirable spirit and more than a few good players they'd have got it tough away against Mayo, if Mayo had needed the win as much as Monaghan.
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Monaghan have been very good for more than a generation now. And size is absolutely a huge factor. No other 'small' county has got anywhere near their level for a long time. I think they're remarkable to be honest. You're talking nonsense
I have family there and go to the odd club game. They live and breathe GAA. At the moment they are the benchmark for counties that claim they can't compete with the big boys. They won't have enough to win an AI but 10 consecutive years in D1 is a remarkable achievement for such a small county. Meath and Kildare come to mind. With their populations they really should be doing better. Monaghan shouldn't be in d1 but they are and they are there on merit.
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Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Would you ever go away to fck, ;D you're the one who condescendingly kept spouting on about Monaghan punching above their weight.
You're a sham, Seafold.
I'm not from Tuam. Monaghan is one of the few serious counties who haven't won an all Ireland. Usually there is a psychological reason where there is a glass ceiling.
https://youtu.be/33Mr5JV49tg
But do carry on.
The fact that Monaghan are seen as 'serious contenders' is some going.
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I think size is a cop out , honestly.Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Monaghan has the same population as Carlow. Carlow finished 6th in Division 4. Do you think size is a cop out for Carlow also?
Carlow is a smaller version of Kildare.
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Monaghan last year and the year before found ways to beat both Galway,Dublin to avoid the drop and probably wouldn't have matter who they played today as they'd find a way to win as they really come alive in round 7.
While Monaghan have admirable spirit and more than a few good players they'd have got it tough away against Mayo, if Mayo had needed the win as much as Monaghan.
Course they would have.
But if your survival on the final day depends on other results, then that's on you and you alone.
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Forker's tackle was one of those things that happens. Looks bad in replays but if you're playing a match and it happens, you shrug it off. The defender has no way of knowing if the attacker is going to go through him, around him or beneath him, so stands his ground. Nobody hurt. Move on.
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Not a great result for Mayo today despite the Farney heroics.
Joe Brolly was just saying in the paper today that Mayo were now the real deal and I believed him upto 2pm.
Mayo effectively turned it into a challenge match. In saying that despite a good league when the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Galway to name three get up to speed Mayo won't be near the All Ireland in my opinion. Mayo have looked a fair bit ahead in conditioning, maybe only matched by Derry.
Kerry, Dublin and Galway don't have to play a Division One team (who retained their Division one status) in a Championship match in 2 weeks time.
Good point and it's probably the reason Mayo are a bit ahead. However my point was it's all about the All Ireland for Mayo and I don't think they'll be near it when the other contenders catch up by June, early July.
ah i think they will be. kerry don't look right to me and are an injury or two away from crisis, dublin lacking an identity and calling on old stalwarts reeks of desperation from dessie. don't see either getting over the line.
galway are going very well and in my opinion will win the championship. they are close to being the finished article. mayo could go close as i think a few of their players will prefer the drier ground come summer.
tyrone are there too. could take a scalp but don't see them finishing the job.
They (Mayo) are going in the right direction. There will always be a doubt, because they are Mayo. Just like Kerry always get mentioned in the business end because they are Kerry. Not sure about Galway. Next week will tell a small tale for both counties. Galway holding the advantage as they have a Plethora of weeks off after and can leave it all out on the Pitch!
Can't fault McStay so far. He has done rather well. Also his his PR skills are excellent (he's been at that stuff a long time). He knows the right things to say.
well for the best part of 10 years, mayo have been involved in the business end of championship. i believe they'll be there again this year. their squad looks on the young side for the most part so might still be a bit too green to get over the line, but they'll be there or thereabouts in my view.
kerry could get taken out early, i really could see them getting caught like that early on.
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Monaghan are brutal. Add in the suspension of 2 players and McManus playing little to no football this last while. Armagh will be fine
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Just watching the Armagh game there, that's a very bad hit by the Armagh fullback, straight frontal shoulder at head high. Amazed it wasn't red, maybe more on the fact the impact swung Kennedy head bck rather than the shoulder.
Haven't seen it back but looked a good hit in real time. Certainly no one seemed to overly complain amongst the players and in fact players seemed to take up positions thinking a hop had been awarded. It was the third similar hit in the game. One resulted in a booking, one in a hop ball and one in play on. Very inconsistent performance from the ref today.
All that said Tyrone deserved the win. When Armagh finally got ahead they immediately retreated. No killer instinct, poor tactically. Something needs to improve. Alas whilst I've lost faith in Geezer I imagine he will get another few seasons yet. Interesting to note Sligo and Wicklow promoted (I think), both under positive minded Armagh Managers.....
Looked slightly mistimed. No malice in it but I'd have had no complaints if he had been red carded
Thought Tyrone were the better side yesterday and found their scores easier, they definitely were up for it which is only right and fair and Armagh would have done the same if roles were reversed .
Genuinely some super long range scores by Tyrone over the blanket which haven't been mentioned .
Overall an awful campaign for Armagh but it is what it is , injuries didn't help but tactics were awful up til yesterday .
Get some players back regroup and have a rattle at ulster.
Let's discuss where Armagh is at year end .
Very enjoyable game yesterday, very little sideways shite and some excellent passages of score for score football. Fair play to the Armagh fans, they travelled in serious numbers. Hasn't been a crowd like that in Healy Park for a long time.
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Off the ball power fuball ranking
10 Monaghan
9 Ros
8 Donegal
7 Tyrone
6 Derry
5 Mayo
4 Armagh
3. Galway
2. Dubs
1. Kerry
https://youtu.be/e9Pgx0CyxJo&t=2700s
Think the AI is as wide open as ever. Speaking from an Armagh perspective, I think we give any team on that list a game and could beat any of them on our day but are equally capable of losing to any of them. Footballs a funny game.
Armagh are my dark horses..... for relegation
Called it.
Far to negative. Didn't try to win games, instead they played so they wouldn't lose and then didn't have the star quality to win the game when in the melting pot. Div 2 is probably their level. Forker and Campbell probably their two best players yesterday and that's a problem if Rain O'Neill isn't available.
Unless Armagh put a big championship together I think it could spell the end of McGeeney. Armagh fans are not happy. That in itself is weird given 6k or 7k went to Kerry game thinking they would win.
Thought there was some pace to the opening 20 minutes of Galway and Kerry, a great watch during that period. Galway started with only 7 players who started in the All Ireland final so Joyce has too be delighted with the way the league has gone and has found a good few additions to the defence. I think the game showed that Hernon still has a bit to go in the conditioning stakes which isn't surprising given his age and how long he's been out injured. Maher had a great opening half, didn't think he had that in his locker. Sean Fitzgerald too has has had a good couple of weeks.
Still got to work on game management, did well during the last few minutes of the game but had a 5 point lead in the last minute of the first half and should have run down the clock and only went in with a 3 point lead.
Would need to see the stats but looked like Power did better on kickouts but still lost a good few that went long, didn't see league Sunday but hope they showed Tierney's one handed catch?
Great to get to a final and get another game at this level which is important for the likes of Comer returning from injury and all those young lads who didn't see any game time in Croker last summer in Maher, McGrath, Fitzgerald, Hernon, O'Flaherty, Culhane and possibly Eoghan Kelly.
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All eyes now to castlebar
Monaghan 2 up and Armagh losing
That makes yet another Seafold wrong call against Monaghan. You're so hopeless Seafold that you're having your ass whipped by a stopped clock :D
Monaghan will be even worse next year with Dublin and Derry joining the party.
Jaysus Christ, did a Monaghan lass break your heart in your younger days? You always seem to take such a negative slant on Monaghan and write them off before every competition
I think there is something wrong with Monaghan, same as the poster above. The return on talent has been poor. Monaghan were shite against Galway this year even though we were the ones relegated in 2021. We got to an all Ireland final straight outta Division 2 last year. The best Monaghan did in the last 10 years was a semi.
You're not living in the real world pal with these points. The "return on talent" for a county the size of Monaghan has been very good tbh. Obviously I'd like to win everything but realistically that's a monumental task for the likes of us, it makes no sense to compare is to the larger counties when you boil it down to numbers and resources. We're very much a team in transition which has both a handful players nearing the end and a rake of young lads with little experience - comparing them to the present Galway side is nonsense tbh given that context.
Everyone wrote us off at the start of the league (like the past several years), and they'll do so again next spring. Makes no odds to us, the goal was to blood a number of the younger players against the top teams and we achieved that. It's not all about the here and now like you're acting, but it's nice to be there again next year too.
I think size is a cop out , honestly. Losing to a mediocre Tyrone in that semi final was a sign of a psychological problem. Offaly is also small and they won 3 all Irelands.
Monaghan have a decent team about once a generation and something has to change if the next team is going to go further than a semi final.
Would you ever go away to fck, ;D you're the one who condescendingly kept spouting on about Monaghan punching above their weight.
You're a sham, Seafold.
I'm not from Tuam. Monaghan is one of the few serious counties who haven't won an all Ireland. Usually there is a psychological reason where there is a glass ceiling.
https://youtu.be/33Mr5JV49tg
But do carry on.
The fact that Monaghan are seen as 'serious contenders' is some going.
why? They have been in Division 1 for several years . They win Ulster titles every so often. They are in a different class to Antrim and Fermanagh.
Well done to Davy, coaches & team for getting 4 wins in division 1, finishing in 3rd place & having 2nd best scoring difference in the division. Thats some going for a team who were highly fancied to get relegated. Mayo can be very pleased with how their league went. A depleted Galway will be happy. Tyrone will also be very pleased with how they responded to a poor start. Kerry happy to survive without breaking sweat. Monaghan despite getting hammered in 2 games, doing just enough to stay up will be pleased. Armagh look a really good side, when they play. I can't see them getting anywhere with current manager. Donegal are a mess & completely ununified as a group.
I remember an interview with Jim McGuiness on Tomas O'Se's podcast and he talked about when when he first took over and they asked the players to hand over their phones for a weekend away training session. He said Michael Murphy was immediately first up to do it. He was made captain shortly after. Not only was Murphy the best player and probably still would be Donegal's best player today, but he was the standard setter and the bar all other player's had to reach. Donegal are a total mess and appear to be lacking leadership from the playing group.
Monaghan - well that was another amazing escape. Delighted for them in what is a very tough job for Corey. Lee Keegan said their age profile is against them and he's right. A very tough job to transition them in next couple of years. Some brilliant talent coming through in Monaghan. The tough part will be finding that new leadership amongst the players similar to what Donegal are experiencing now. 6 of the squad are 32 are more (McManus, D and K Hughes, Duffy, Kelly, O'Connell) and are some of Monaghan's best ever. Hard to see all (maybe any) of them return next year. With Dublin and Derry also in Div 1 next year it will be even tougher.
Enjoyable game in Omagh yesterday and we just about deserved the victory.
Hoping Canavans knock is minor enough.
Some great long range scores yesterday - mainly in part to there being no other option as Armagh had dropped back.
The hit by Armagh number 3 was a hard one to call - but Cassidy got everything else right on the day so no complaints with a yellow.
Our kickouts in the first half were made easy by simply kicking it over the blanket press.
Only once did I feel the game was getting away from us - when we went one behind I was fearing the worst as they were on top of us. But as soon as they went in front they then retreated and went back to being this uber defensive team - strange decision whoever called that.
So Div 1 again next year - the last few weeks of the league have been very positive for us and sets us up nicely for the cship.
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Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We fairly confounded the oul bookies.
Finished 3rd and only for Kerry's dodgy 2nd choice goalie we'd be in the Final.
Well done Davy Burke, management team and all the squad whether ye got game time or not.
Onwards and upwards......
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Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We fairly confounded the oul bookies.
Finished 3rd and only for Kerry's dodgy 2nd choice goalie we'd be in the Final.
Well done Davy Burke, management team and all the squad whether ye got game time or not.
Onwards and upwards......
Davy Burke was Kildare's loss
Didn't know Armagh had been relegated until walking back to the car yesterday but obviously their management would have known they were going down and to not throw caution to the wind in an attempt to avoid relegation was criminal imo. I just assumed the way they were holding their defensive shape that it was of a team that knew they were safe.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/27/mayos-request-for-division-one-final-to-be-played-on-saturday-turned-down/
Mayo's request for the Division One Football League final to be played on Saturday has been turned down – with the clash against Galway going ahead in Croke Park on Sunday at 4pm
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Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We fairly confounded the oul bookies.
Finished 3rd and only for Kerry's dodgy 2nd choice goalie we'd be in the Final.
Well done Davy Burke, management team and all the squad whether ye got game time or not.
Onwards and upwards......
All the more impressive when you consider Davy Burke and his management team wasn't appointed until the end of October the last team to find a new manager and lost some starters from last year due to travel or injuries. Both midfielders Eddie Nolan,Ultan Harney and defender Ronan Daly and forward Cathal Heneghan.
Good win yesterday, Galway have got what they want out of the league in terms of giving more players significant game time and having lads put the hand up to give the mgt team selection headaches. After the Roscommon game (it might be the worst IC match I was ever at) I wouldn't have given Galway any chance of making the final so while it's been tough sledding since, Galway have ground out the results in a workmanlike and professional manner. While it mightn't have set pluses racing and there's no wow factor to Galway at the minute compared to Mayo, there's a lot to be said for just finding a way to stay in matches and not lose all the same.
Tierney is the one player who has really upped his game to a new level, has been in outstanding form from the Tyrone game on. His soaring one handed mark from a kick out yesterday is the kind of really impactful play that he is now regularly delivering, hopefully that will continue on into the final next week and then the championship.
As for next Sunday, well there is no doubt that Mayo have clearly been the team of the league, they have played the best football and have swatted aside some top teams along the way. If Kerry or the Rossies had got through yesterday, I'd have fully expected Mayo to beat them and win the final. Now that it's Galway there my head is telling me the same story but the heart doesn't want to listen to it!
Galway have lost a lot of finals in CP since the 2017 Division Two final and no harm for the team to get winners medals if possible, not the end of the world if they don't (thinking of the Div Two final last year, which turned out to be forgotten about and irrelevant to the rest of the year) but again, there are a good number of those players who have lost finals in CP (and won them to be fair to the 2020 U20s and the lads with AI club medals) but Galway could do with finally winning a league, a very tough assignment awaits however.
I would caveat that one of our truly important players in McDaid - who is built for CP and has played his best stuff in a Galway jersey there - is out by the sound of things, that is a massive loss from the team that played in Castlebar to open the league.
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Mayo's request for the Division One Football League final to be played on Saturday has been turned down – with the clash against Galway going ahead in Croke Park on Sunday at 4pm
As it should have been. Giving Mayo an extra day to prepare for the Roscommon game would be slightly disadvantaging the latter.
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Mayo's request for the Division One Football League final to be played on Saturday has been turned down – with the clash against Galway going ahead in Croke Park on Sunday at 4pm
As it should have been. Giving Mayo an extra day to prepare for the Roscommon game would be slightly disadvantaging the latter.
I'm not sure how that stacks up. Roscommon have 14 days to prepare for the game against Mayo. Mayo have 7 (or 8 if they got the Saturday). It would lessen Roscommon's advantage by a day, but they would still have had 6 days advantage and a game less played.
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Just 12 days away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 10/11
Galway 5/1
Tyrone 13/2
Mayo 7/1
Armagh 15/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 33/1
We fairly confounded the oul bookies.
Finished 3rd and only for Kerry's dodgy 2nd choice goalie we'd be in the Final.
Well done Davy Burke, management team and all the squad whether ye got game time or not.
Onwards and upwards......
All the more impressive when you consider Davy Burke and his management team wasn't appointed until the end of October the last team to find a new manager and lost some starters from last year due to travel or injuries. Both midfielders Eddie Nolan,Ultan Harney and defender Ronan Daly and forward Cathal Heneghan.
And even more impressive when you look at the mess we're in.
Although the late appointment of Paddy Carr did reflect an overall malaise in Donegal football which may not be the case in Roscommon.
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Good win yesterday, Galway have got what they want out of the league in terms of giving more players significant game time and having lads put the hand up to give the mgt team selection headaches. After the Roscommon game (it might be the worst IC match I was ever at) I wouldn't have given Galway any chance of making the final so while it's been tough sledding since, Galway have ground out the results in a workmanlike and professional manner. While it mightn't have set pluses racing and there's no wow factor to Galway at the minute compared to Mayo, there's a lot to be said for just finding a way to stay in matches and not lose all the same.
Tierney is the one player who has really upped his game to a new level, has been in outstanding form from the Tyrone game on. His soaring one handed mark from a kick out yesterday is the kind of really impactful play that he is now regularly delivering, hopefully that will continue on into the final next week and then the championship.
As for next Sunday, well there is no doubt that Mayo have clearly been the team of the league, they have played the best football and have swatted aside some top teams along the way. If Kerry or the Rossies had got through yesterday, I'd have fully expected Mayo to beat them and win the final. Now that it's Galway there my head is telling me the same story but the heart doesn't want to listen to it!
Galway have lost a lot of finals in CP since the 2017 Division Two final and no harm for the team to get winners medals if possible, not the end of the world if they don't (thinking of the Div Two final last year, which turned out to be forgotten about and irrelevant to the rest of the year) but again, there are a good number of those players who have lost finals in CP (and won them to be fair to the 2020 U20s and the lads with AI club medals) but Galway could do with finally winning a league, a very tough assignment awaits however.
I would caveat that one of our truly important players in McDaid - who is built for CP and has played his best stuff in a Galway jersey there - is out by the sound of things, that is a massive loss from the team that played in Castlebar to open the league.
A very heartening display and one which the squad should take confidence from. Even in the absence of Silke and Molloy, our defence has graduated into the meanest in the land and are working superbly as a unit. Another Corofin player, Power in goal, has perhaps given PJ a headache now too. Our forwards aren't scoring with the freedom of last year but have the habit now of coming up with scores at key times instead. Tierney's form in the league has been on a decent upward curve, since the Tyrone match anyway, and is one of the main reasons for our progress to the final. Beside him, the quiet man, Heaney, also puts in a great shift - he was absolutely gassed when swapped out near the finish yesterday.
The final will be interesting; Mayo's (scoring) form has been better than ours, they swatted Kerry aside while we had to play nearly flat-out yesterday to win I thought, but we can afford to go harder at it and collect a title rarer than Sam in the county.
It won't be talked up as such but in my opinion a division one league title for either Galway or Mayo would be a bigger achievement than winning a Connacht title. It has all of the best teams in Ireland playing each other over a 2 month period and its a national title. But just watch both counties say that they aren't too bothered about this game in the build up to it.
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Mayo's request for the Division One Football League final to be played on Saturday has been turned down – with the clash against Galway going ahead in Croke Park on Sunday at 4pm
As it should have been. Giving Mayo an extra day to prepare for the Roscommon game would be slightly disadvantaging the latter.
I'm not sure how that stacks up. Roscommon have 14 days to prepare for the game against Mayo. Mayo have 7 (or 8 if they got the Saturday). It would lessen Roscommon's advantage by a day, but they would still have had 6 days advantage and a game less played.
Acceding to Mayo's request though would be seen as the GAA contravening their own fixtures list and being disproportionately (albeit slightly) in favour of one county over another.
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Good win yesterday, Galway have got what they want out of the league in terms of giving more players significant game time and having lads put the hand up to give the mgt team selection headaches. After the Roscommon game (it might be the worst IC match I was ever at) I wouldn't have given Galway any chance of making the final so while it's been tough sledding since, Galway have ground out the results in a workmanlike and professional manner. While it mightn't have set pluses racing and there's no wow factor to Galway at the minute compared to Mayo, there's a lot to be said for just finding a way to stay in matches and not lose all the same.
Tierney is the one player who has really upped his game to a new level, has been in outstanding form from the Tyrone game on. His soaring one handed mark from a kick out yesterday is the kind of really impactful play that he is now regularly delivering, hopefully that will continue on into the final next week and then the championship.
As for next Sunday, well there is no doubt that Mayo have clearly been the team of the league, they have played the best football and have swatted aside some top teams along the way. If Kerry or the Rossies had got through yesterday, I'd have fully expected Mayo to beat them and win the final. Now that it's Galway there my head is telling me the same story but the heart doesn't want to listen to it!
Galway have lost a lot of finals in CP since the 2017 Division Two final and no harm for the team to get winners medals if possible, not the end of the world if they don't (thinking of the Div Two final last year, which turned out to be forgotten about and irrelevant to the rest of the year) but again, there are a good number of those players who have lost finals in CP (and won them to be fair to the 2020 U20s and the lads with AI club medals) but Galway could do with finally winning a league, a very tough assignment awaits however.
I would caveat that one of our truly important players in McDaid - who is built for CP and has played his best stuff in a Galway jersey there - is out by the sound of things, that is a massive loss from the team that played in Castlebar to open the league.
A very heartening display and one which the squad should take confidence from. Even in the absence of Silke and Molloy, our defence has graduated into the meanest in the land and are working superbly as a unit. Another Corofin player, Power in goal, has perhaps given PJ a headache now too. Our forwards aren't scoring with the freedom of last year but have the habit now of coming up with scores at key times instead. Tierney's form in the league has been on a decent upward curve, since the Tyrone match anyway, and is one of the main reasons for our progress to the final. Beside him, the quiet man, Heaney, also puts in a great shift - he was absolutely gassed when swapped out near the finish yesterday.
The final will be interesting; Mayo's (scoring) form has been better than ours, they swatted Kerry aside while we had to play nearly flat-out yesterday to win I thought, but we can afford to go harder at it and collect a title rarer than Sam in the county.
Galway have 4. Mayo have more League titles than all Irelands
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/27/mayos-request-for-division-one-final-to-be-played-on-saturday-turned-down/
Mayo's request for the Division One Football League final to be played on Saturday has been turned down – with the clash against Galway going ahead in Croke Park on Sunday at 4pm
As it should have been. Giving Mayo an extra day to prepare for the Roscommon game would be slightly disadvantaging the latter.
I'm not sure how that stacks up. Roscommon have 14 days to prepare for the game against Mayo. Mayo have 7 (or 8 if they got the Saturday). It would lessen Roscommon's advantage by a day, but they would still have had 6 days advantage and a game less played.
Acceding to Mayo's request though would be seen as the GAA contravening their own fixtures list and being disproportionately (albeit slightly) in favour of one county over another.
I know it's a minor detail and not happening, but I'm still not seeing how either way it could disadvantage Roscommon who are not playing at all this weekend. The fixture disproportionally disdvantages only one team and that is Mayo, who have a league final this weekend followed by a championship game 7 days later. Roscommon have a 14 day break after the league and Galway have a 21 day break after the final.
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It won't be talked up as such but in my opinion a division one league title for either Galway or Mayo would be a bigger achievement than winning a Connacht title. It has all of the best teams in Ireland playing each other over a 2 month period and its a national title. But just watch both counties say that they aren't too bothered about this game in the build up to it.
Would be great for the players to win a national title and it's a competition that Galway rarely ever win, so there's no doubt it would be good to win and especially against Mayo.
But from a
purely fan perspective, thinking about the four Division One football finals I went to see Galway play in and they lost the lot of them. Once those league finals were done and dusted I don't think I ever thought about them again really, same with the Div Two final last year. Would be great to win Sunday but realistically there's no comparison to losing and winning on the big day that really counts, those AI losses stay with you, there's just no comparison.
On an advantage side, Mayo have virtually had a week off this week. Most of those who played v Monaghan on Sunday will be in the Stand in Croke Park next Sunday. Plus Mayo's game v Donegal the week before was as close to a training match as one could get.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 27, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
On an advantage side, Mayo have virtually had a week off this week. Most of those who played v Monaghan on Sunday will be in the Stand in Croke Park next Sunday. Plus Mayo's game v Donegal the week before was as close to a training match as one could get.
Technically I suppose it's a knockout game as well, Galway don't win those against the big teams and sure wins don't count unless it's knockout as we've been told before. Advantage Mayo you'd think.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 27, 2023, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 27, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
On an advantage side, Mayo have virtually had a week off this week. Most of those who played v Monaghan on Sunday will be in the Stand in Croke Park next Sunday. Plus Mayo's game v Donegal the week before was as close to a training match as one could get.
Technically I suppose it's a knockout game as well, Galway don't win those against the big teams and sure wins don't count unless it's knockout as we've been told before. Advantage Mayo you'd think.
The big advantage is with Galway. It's a big game and a couple of weeks rest after, they can leave it all on the pitch. If Galway win they will celebrate! If Mayo win they will celebrate the week after
if they beat Roscommon.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2023, 04:46:42 PM
It won't be talked up as such but in my opinion a division one league title for either Galway or Mayo would be a bigger achievement than winning a Connacht title. It has all of the best teams in Ireland playing each other over a 2 month period and its a national title. But just watch both counties say that they aren't too bothered about this game in the build up to it.
I would agree and hopefully over time this will be the case. With the new format championship the d1 teams are guaranteed a spot in the round robin games irrespective of how they perform in the provincial series. An early exist in Ulster or Connaught may not be a bad thing.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 27, 2023, 04:14:02 PM
Good win yesterday, Galway have got what they want out of the league in terms of giving more players significant game time and having lads put the hand up to give the mgt team selection headaches. After the Roscommon game (it might be the worst IC match I was ever at) I wouldn't have given Galway any chance of making the final so while it's been tough sledding since, Galway have ground out the results in a workmanlike and professional manner. While it mightn't have set pluses racing and there's no wow factor to Galway at the minute compared to Mayo, there's a lot to be said for just finding a way to stay in matches and not lose all the same.
Tierney is the one player who has really upped his game to a new level, has been in outstanding form from the Tyrone game on. His soaring one handed mark from a kick out yesterday is the kind of really impactful play that he is now regularly delivering, hopefully that will continue on into the final next week and then the championship.
As for next Sunday, well there is no doubt that Mayo have clearly been the team of the league, they have played the best football and have swatted aside some top teams along the way. If Kerry or the Rossies had got through yesterday, I'd have fully expected Mayo to beat them and win the final. Now that it's Galway there my head is telling me the same story but the heart doesn't want to listen to it!
Galway have lost a lot of finals in CP since the 2017 Division Two final and no harm for the team to get winners medals if possible, not the end of the world if they don't (thinking of the Div Two final last year, which turned out to be forgotten about and irrelevant to the rest of the year) but again, there are a good number of those players who have lost finals in CP (and won them to be fair to the 2020 U20s and the lads with AI club medals) but Galway could do with finally winning a league, a very tough assignment awaits however.
I would caveat that one of our truly important players in McDaid - who is built for CP and has played his best stuff in a Galway jersey there - is out by the sound of things, that is a massive loss from the team that played in Castlebar to open the league.
For me the main take out of this league campaign is the defensive team improvement by Galway. For all the talk about good forwards and it's been done with David Clifford with Kerry at the end of the day the team with best defence almost always wins national titles. Cian O'Neill, John Divilly I can imagine have been the main men in Joyce's management that has brought about that improvement. Once a team gets the structure and system of their defence right the loss of individuals will not be felt. Sunday will prove another good test as Mayo have been scoring 18 points per game average in the league and Croke Park will likely suit the game they want to play under McStay.
I think Galway have lost their last 5 Div 1 finals since their last win in 1981 and I see Joyce has said he lost 3 Div 1 finals himself as a player so will be a feather in his cap if he lands this title as a manager and all the more sweeter against neighbours Mayo.
Good to see Connacht teams finish 1st,2nd,3rd in Div 1 and Sligo are on the rise also. Connacht hasn't been this strong since the early 00s.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2023, 04:46:42 PM
It won't be talked up as such but in my opinion a division one league title for either Galway or Mayo would be a bigger achievement than winning a Connacht title. It has all of the best teams in Ireland playing each other over a 2 month period and its a national title. But just watch both counties say that they aren't too bothered about this game in the build up to it.
I would agree and hopefully over time this will be the case. With the new format championship the d1 teams are guaranteed a spot in the round robin games irrespective of how they perform in the provincial series. An early exist in Ulster or Connaught may not be a bad thing.
By next year those in HQ might use their common sense and not to fix league finals a week before the championship starts. Leitrim manager Andy Moran yesterday called it scandalous scheduling.
Well it won't be bothering you now Andy ;)
The GAA could of course do away with League Finals.
Top the Division you win the League.
2nd team get an oul shield or the like.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2023, 05:48:43 PM
Well it won't be bothering you now Andy ;)
The GAA could of course do away with League Finals.
Than the top team might actually try on the last day of the regular games.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 27, 2023, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 27, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
On an advantage side, Mayo have virtually had a week off this week. Most of those who played v Monaghan on Sunday will be in the Stand in Croke Park next Sunday. Plus Mayo's game v Donegal the week before was as close to a training match as one could get.
Technically I suppose it's a knockout game as well, Galway don't win those against the big teams and sure wins don't count unless it's knockout as we've been told before. Advantage Mayo you'd think.
eh its very much advantage galway. mayo are going to have one eye on the start of their championship the following week. i wouldn't even be surprised if they don't play a couple of key players ahead of that. galway can afford to go at it at the weekend knowing they've decent recovery time after, mayo can't really. a by product of the ridiculous scheduling - what could have been a great championship precursor is probably not going to be as good as everyone would like simply because one team has to hold something back.
galway will win and probably handily enough.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2023, 04:46:42 PM
It won't be talked up as such but in my opinion a division one league title for either Galway or Mayo would be a bigger achievement than winning a Connacht title. It has all of the best teams in Ireland playing each other over a 2 month period and its a national title. But just watch both counties say that they aren't too bothered about this game in the build up to it.
I felt the same in regards to Armagh in the league, our attitude to it was mystifying in a year where the title really seemed there for the taking. National titles are not to be sniffed at.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2023, 04:46:42 PM
It won't be talked up as such but in my opinion a division one league title for either Galway or Mayo would be a bigger achievement than winning a Connacht title. It has all of the best teams in Ireland playing each other over a 2 month period and its a national title. But just watch both counties say that they aren't too bothered about this game in the build up to it.
I felt the same in regards to Armagh in the league, our attitude to it was mystifying in a year where the title really seemed there for the taking. National titles are not to be sniffed at.
What was wrong with our attitude? It was our application of basics, coupled with negative tactics and compounded by injuries to key men that cost us rather than our attitude imo.
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
not a fan of getting rid of league finals it can be anti climatic if a team already has league won i prefer the ocassion of final thats just my thoughts.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:52:10 PM
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:52:10 PM
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
Unfortunately Armagh are some way short of being serious contenders at the moment. Last years run has maybe given us false hope. There are different opinions on the reasons for this. There is probably enough talent, not withstanding the age of forker, soupy and some others. perhaps a different voice is needed?
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:52:10 PM
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
I think our stock has been talked up a little too much. We have good players and some very good players. We are a top 8 team that can put in a performance and rattle a few cages but we we haven't performed at all in the Ulster Championship in years. By that I mean stringing together a couple of victories, never mind winning or reaching an Ulster final. That's the litmus test for me. The league standings and a few good performances in the back door tends to paper over that.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:52:10 PM
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
Unfortunately Armagh are some way short of being serious contenders at the moment. Last years run has maybe given us false hope. There are different opinions on the reasons for this. There is probably enough talent, not withstanding the age of forker, soupy and some others. perhaps a different voice is needed?
Serious contenders for Sam? Yes, probably. I would say that Kerry are out in front and after that only Galway, Dublin and possibly Mayo (though the jury is still out on them) can win it. A bit behind that you have Tyrone, Derry, ourselves and Roscommon all of whom could reach a semi final depending on the draw. However we can realistically still hope to win an Ulster title. It depends on how we recover mentally from the blow of relegation, how many injuries we get cleared up and whether management can get us back playing to a similar tactical gameplan to last summer. Management can control the mental recovery and tactical adjustments required but after that we could do with the return of a few players from injury. Morgan, Oisin O'Neill, Crealey and Murnin being the most important of those as we still have a huge deficiency in midfield. I don't know if any or all of these will be fit for an Ulster campaign but there are big question marks over Morgan and O'Neill at least.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 27, 2023, 05:09:54 PM
On an advantage side, Mayo have virtually had a week off this week. Most of those who played v Monaghan on Sunday will be in the Stand in Croke Park next Sunday. Plus Mayo's game v Donegal the week before was as close to a training match as one could get.
Technically I suppose it's a knockout game as well, Galway don't win those against the big teams and sure wins don't count unless it's knockout as we've been told before. Advantage Mayo you'd think.
eh its very much advantage galway. mayo are going to have one eye on the start of their championship the following week. i wouldn't even be surprised if they don't play a couple of key players ahead of that. galway can afford to go at it at the weekend knowing they've decent recovery time after, mayo can't really. a by product of the ridiculous scheduling - what could have been a great championship precursor is probably not going to be as good as everyone would like simply because one team has to hold something back.
galway will win and probably handily enough.
Did you see the scenes of jubilation post Mayo's league win in 2019?
The idea that Mayo are going to be holding back, in anticipation for the least consequential Connacht championship ever played is ridiculous. It's the second biggest title in the GAA, they've certainly put a hell of stock into it in the past and they're not exactly flush with national titles. Mayo definitely have the fitness edge at this point and that'll only be exasperated by the fast Croke Park pitch. Too many of Galways main players either won't be playing or are a long way off championship sharpness. If Finnerty, Comer and McDaid don't start as is likely, as well as Walsh still finding his feet, that takes away the vast majority of Galways scores
I doubt either side will want to lose to the other .
How enthused are either about Connacht I wonder?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 28, 2023, 06:50:27 PM
I doubt either side will want to lose to the other .
How enthused are either about Connacht I wonder?
Keenly I would expect. Both will aim to be a top seed in their All Ireland group which is getting a round 1 match at home and will know winning Connacht means no Kerry,Dublin or Ulster champions in their group.
There's no home advantage to being a top seed really because each team has a home, away and neutral game. While it would obviously help to be a 1 seed, when you delve into it, the result if not isn't that scary. Kerrys group as a 1 seed is going to have Sligo or Leitrim as a 2 seed. With all respect, that's a bye to a prelim QF at least. The Ulster champions group will have a Leinster runner up as a 2, and none of those potential counties are going well atm, save maybe for Louth. The one to avoid would be Dublins group with an Ulster runner up as the 2 seed. There's a fair chance that'll be Cavan though looking at Armagh's injuries and that's not going to scare Galway, Mayo or Ros.
Quote from: Manning18 on March 28, 2023, 07:29:19 PM
There's no home advantage to being a top seed really because each team has a home, away and neutral game. While it would obviously help to be a 1 seed, when you delve into it, the result if not isn't that scary. Kerrys group as a 1 seed is going to have Sligo or Leitrim as a 2 seed. With all respect, that's a bye to a prelim QF at least. The Ulster champions group will have a Leinster runner up as a 2, and none of those potential counties are going well atm, save maybe for Louth. The one to avoid would be Dublins group with an Ulster runner up as the 2 seed. There's a fair chance that'll be Cavan though looking at Armagh's injuries and that's not going to scare Galway, Mayo or Ros.
Q, are some of the groupings pre determined as mentioned above, additional Q are the all-Ireland semi-finals also predetermined,
Quote from: Manning18 on March 28, 2023, 07:29:19 PM
There's no home advantage to being a top seed really because each team has a home, away and neutral game. While it would obviously help to be a 1 seed, when you delve into it, the result if not isn't that scary. Kerrys group as a 1 seed is going to have Sligo or Leitrim as a 2 seed. With all respect, that's a bye to a prelim QF at least. The Ulster champions group will have a Leinster runner up as a 2, and none of those potential counties are going well atm, save maybe for Louth. The one to avoid would be Dublins group with an Ulster runner up as the 2 seed. There's a fair chance that'll be Cavan though looking at Armagh's injuries and that's not going to scare Galway, Mayo or Ros.
A good start is half the battle. As already said winning Connacht is a round 1 match at home. If Galway or Mayo don't win Connacht it's a round 1 game away to the Leinster,Ulster or Munster champion. I think the preference would be to win the group which would include a week rest against All Ireland Quarter final opponents.
Quote from: joemamas on March 28, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Q, are some of the groupings pre determined as mentioned above, additional Q are the all-Ireland semi-finals also predetermined,
Groups are
Connacht winners/Munster runners up,seed 3,seed 4
Munster winners/Munster runners up,seed 3,seed 4
Leinster winners/Ulster runners up,seed 3,seed 4
Ulster winners/Leinster runners up, seed 3, seed 4
1st in each group into the last 8. Winner of the 2nd v 3rd in group match will play one of those group winners.
All Ireland semi finals will have a draw.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2023, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on March 28, 2023, 07:29:19 PM
There's no home advantage to being a top seed really because each team has a home, away and neutral game. While it would obviously help to be a 1 seed, when you delve into it, the result if not isn't that scary. Kerrys group as a 1 seed is going to have Sligo or Leitrim as a 2 seed. With all respect, that's a bye to a prelim QF at least. The Ulster champions group will have a Leinster runner up as a 2, and none of those potential counties are going well atm, save maybe for Louth. The one to avoid would be Dublins group with an Ulster runner up as the 2 seed. There's a fair chance that'll be Cavan though looking at Armagh's injuries and that's not going to scare Galway, Mayo or Ros.
A good start is half the battle. As already said winning Connacht is a round 1 match at home. If Galway or Mayo don't win Connacht it's a round 1 game away to the Leinster,Ulster or Munster champion. I think the preference would be to win the group which would include a week rest against All Ireland Quarter final opponents.
Quote from: joemamas on March 28, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Q, are some of the groupings pre determined as mentioned above, additional Q are the all-Ireland semi-finals also predetermined,
Groups are
Connacht winners/Munster runners up,seed 3,seed 4
Munster winners/Munster runners up,seed 3,seed 4
Leinster winners/Ulster runners up,seed 3,seed 4
Ulster winners/Leinster runners up, seed 3, seed 4
1st in each group into the last 8. Winner of the 2nd v 3rd in group match will play one of those group winners.
If Provincial champions qualify Connacht will face Munster, Leinster will face Ulster in the All Ireland semi finals.
Thank you for the explanation.
Does the piece in bold mean that no matter who wins group 1 and 2 and winners of 3 or 4 are going play each other in semi finals, i.e once the group are drawn there will be no additional draws for pairings.
Treóir Oifigiúil says there will be a draw for Semi Finals?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 28, 2023, 08:52:11 PM
Treóir Oifigiúil says there will be a draw for Semi Finals?
Got my information on a recent article on the Irish Examiner. Have now checked GAA.IE and you are right about a draw for the semi finals.
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The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a
draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2023, 09:09:25 PM
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a
draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Is that the whole championship or just the All Ireland bit of it?
You could have Tyrone playing Derry in Ulster and both might reach the semi finals.
Can't see Mayo going remotely full tilt especially after the way last years final affected them in the championship. With Roscommon the week after, I be putting out a limited team.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2023, 09:32:43 PM
Can't see Mayo going remotely full tilt especially after the way last years final affected them in the championship. With Roscommon the week after, I be putting out a limited team.
So you think they should prioritise a provincial first round match over a national final and the chance to win a trophy just in case Galway might inflict a morale crushing defeat? I just don't get that mindset.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2023, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2023, 09:09:25 PM
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a
draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Is that the whole championship or just the All Ireland bit of it?
You could have Tyrone playing Derry in Ulster and both might reach the semi finals.
All Ireland semi finals.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2023, 09:32:43 PM
Can't see Mayo going remotely full tilt especially after the way last years final affected them in the championship. With Roscommon the week after, I be putting out a limited team.
So you think they should prioritise a provincial first round match over a national final and the chance to win a trophy just in case Galway might inflict a morale crushing defeat? I just don't get that mindset.
Totally unfair that they are in the position to have that decision to make. God forbid they lose a key man or 2 to injury vs Galway.
Mayo will go full out to win on Sunday. They will be big favourites to beat Roscommon anyway.........and even if they don't a break before the all ireland group stages wouldn't be the end of the world......whatever way they go about it they will make the last 8!
Do the 2nd place finishers in a group play the 3rd place team in their group or is there a draw for the 3rd place team that they will play from another group? Hope that makes sense.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on March 28, 2023, 10:36:29 PM
Do the 2nd place finishers in a group play the 3rd place team in their group or is there a draw for the 3rd place team that they will play from another group? Hope that makes sense.
Preliminary Quarter-Finals
24-25.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
The four second-placed teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play at home against the four third-placed teams, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.
Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Quarter-Finals
01-02.07.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)The four first-place teams from Round 1 shall be drawn to play against the four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.
Semi-Finals
15-16.07.2023 (Sat/Sun)
(Two Games)The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Final
30.07.2023 (Sun) | (Replay: 12.08.2023 (Sat))
(One Game)The winners of the All-Ireland Semi-Finals shall meet in the All-Ireland Final.
Note: All-Ireland Final will have Extra time in the original fixture and will be winner on the day in the event of a replay only.
VenuesVenues for the All-Ireland Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Final shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
Winner on the DayThe All-Ireland Football Preliminary Quarter-Finals, Quarter-Finals & Semi-Finals will be winner on the day.
Edit: Link to Master Fixtures 2023 Booklet: https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-master-fixtures-for-2023-published/
Is that the big title that nobody cares about anymore.Back 10/15yrs ago, it might meant something, but with the Championship now on top of the league, it's importance is greatly diminished. I rather beat Fermanagh in Ulster than beat, Dublin in a Div 2 final.
Is the semi finals a open draw or is it Ulster team vs Leinster team,Munster team vs Connacht team?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2023, 11:02:34 PM
Is that the big title that nobody cares about anymore.Back 10/15yrs ago, it might meant something, but with the Championship now on top of the league, it's importance is greatly diminished. I rather beat Fermanagh in Ulster than beat, Dublin in a Div 2 final.
The old lads running the show in HQ are to blame for that. With a bit of common sense used and with better scheduling we could have two equalling important competitions right now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2023, 11:02:34 PM
Is that the big title that nobody cares about anymore.Back 10/15yrs ago, it might meant something, but with the Championship now on top of the league, it's importance is greatly diminished. I rather beat Fermanagh in Ulster than beat, Dublin in a Div 2 final.
I think there should be a 2 week gap before champioship, that much we can agree on. However I don't think teams were as prepared for the League as they were 10/15 years ago. Due to the condensed season and the seedings link between League and championship, teams now have to hit the ground running in the League (apart from Kerry and Dublin who can still aim to peak later in the summer). So it probably has more merit then winning it back then did.
A division 2 title is a different situation especially since Derry won an Ulster title last season and therefore a secondary League title wouldn't hold anywhere near the same appeal. Derry aren't aiming to be the 9th best team in Ireland, they are aiming to be number one. But I was talking specifically about a division 1 title.
The leagues are about promotion / not relegation in the lower leagues and then in the higher leagues about staying in it. The winning of these titles isn't that big a deal. It's why the hurling is less competitive at the top level - the big teams know they'll stay in it so don't have to put so much effort in it.
Quote from: badjawbadteast on March 28, 2023, 11:45:55 PM
Is the semi finals a open draw or is it Ulster team vs Leinster team,Munster team vs Connacht team?
Open draw I think, avoiding repeat pairings.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 28, 2023, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2023, 09:09:25 PM
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a
draw, subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Is that the whole championship or just the All Ireland bit of it?
You could have Tyrone playing Derry in Ulster and both might reach the semi finals.
It's happened before, remember Tyrone v Armagh 2005. Or have you blocked that day from your mind? ;D
The teams played 3 games in the championship that summer across 2 fixtures.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/28/when-were-backed-into-a-corner-we-definitely-come-out-fighting-monaghan-hail-another-great-escape/
The team representing a county of just 60,000 people have become the great survivors of Division One of the national football league
Tue Mar 28 2023 - 21:22
In the TV show Breaking Bad, a scene where Jesse Pinkman realises the horrors of crime partner Walter White's actions over the years culminates in him being distraught and yelling "he can't keep getting away with this!" As Armagh lost to Tyrone at Healy Park on Sunday, they could have been forgiven for feeling the same way about Monaghan, as the Farney County got away with it once more.
Again, they had avoided relegation from Division One of the football league – this time by winning away to Mayo, previously unbeaten in the league.
It was their sixth survival on the final day of the league season in nine years, four times by winning, once by drawing and once despite losing, in 2019, but still surviving as Roscommon were also beaten.
Of this year's Division One teams, only Kerry have been in the top flight longer, after Monaghan relegated Dublin by beating them on the final day last year. Division One status is a source of great pride for Monaghan folk, a county of just over 60,000 people, and they are in no hurry to give it up.
The senior players in the squad remember the days of Division Three, and when manager Vinnie Corey began his career, Monaghan were mid-table in Division 2B. Now they've got a taste of top status, they will do everything in their power to preserve that position, says former Monaghan coach and selector David McCague.
"Monaghan people and our psychological make-up definitely comes through in our sporting performance. Even our geographical location, as south of the border there were times when we were looked at disparagingly from Dublin," McCague says.
"That's innate in our make-up, we like to battle and win against the odds.
"The leaders in the squad were an extra year older this year, which makes it even more remarkable. Conor McManus and Karl O'Connell started their first national league games on Sunday against Mayo. One of them is 35 and the other is 34, in a game that is dominated by young players. That these guys can keep themselves in shape to play such a big part, it was massive for Monaghan."
McManus, arguably the county's finest ever forward, was vital on Sunday, scoring 1-7, five of the points from play. The previous two years it was Jack McCarron that saved the day. In 2021 he rescued them with the last kick of the game against Galway. Last year, with his team level with Dublin in the 75th minute, McCarron saved the day again from 40 metres out, part of a personal 2-5 total that day.
On Sunday, McManus and McCarron started together for the first time this year, saving the big guns for last.
In 2016, they lost four games in a row, went seven points down to Donegal on the last day and took the lead for the first time in the fourth minute of injury-time, thanks to a score from cornerback Colin Walshe. It was Walshe's only score of the whole league. Never say never.
Monaghan forward Shane Carey joined the panel when Monaghan had just won Division Two and has played through their many escapes. He said thinking about relegation is not a thought at the beginning of every campaign, they go out to win every match of the competition, but once priorities shift, they are not ready to let standards drop.
"When I arrived in the panel, the standards were set then by some of the more experienced players and that passed on to the next group that came in. And you saw how the experienced players made a difference," Carey said.
"When we're backed into a corner, we definitely come out fighting. We've done that on all those occasions, the Galway game [in 2021] was very similar to this one.
"The standards you have to hit at the level of Division One are really important for the development for any team. League football's brilliant, it's top teams week on week and when you have to be on it every week or you find out very fast.
"We've all grown up watching Monaghan and it's all about that work ethic and fight, your performance on those days is the big part, performing when it matters."
Monaghan's final day escapes:
2016: Monaghan 1-10 Donegal 1-09
2019: Mayo 3-15 Monaghan 1-18 (Roscommon also lost on final day)
2020: Monaghan 2-14 Meath 1-17
2021: Monaghan 1-21 Galway 2-17 (aet)
2022: Monaghan 3-13 Dublin 1-18
2023: Mayo 0-14 Monaghan 2-14
Lots of talk about Monaghan and rightly so about how well they do in comparison to their small population, would be interesting to see a table of male adult playing numbers in every county (suspect one doesn't exist).
I'm sure there must be at table ranking counties by the amount of football clubs they have?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 29, 2023, 09:37:08 AM
Lots of talk about Monaghan and rightly so about how well they do in comparison to their small population, would be interesting to see a table of male adult playing numbers in every county (suspect one doesn't exist).
I'm sure there must be at table ranking counties by the amount of football clubs they have?
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Going by number if Clubs we are the real minnows in Div 1.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2023, 11:02:34 PM
Is that the big title that nobody cares about anymore.Back 10/15yrs ago, it might meant something, but with the Championship now on top of the league, it's importance is greatly diminished. I rather beat Fermanagh in Ulster than beat, Dublin in a Div 2 final.
Division 1 league is a national title and well worth winning, and something any player (and fan) should be proud of.
Division 2 league title is a completely different story and pretty meaningless. From a Dublin perspective it will be treated as good preparation for the championship and the players that are picked will be going full tilt for the win.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/28/mcbrearty-insists-donegal-will-be-a-different-proposition-in-the-ulster-sfc/
McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
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Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
Unfortunately Armagh are some way short of being serious contenders at the moment. Last years run has maybe given us false hope. There are different opinions on the reasons for this. There is probably enough talent, not withstanding the age of forker, soupy and some others. perhaps a different voice is needed?
Serious contenders for Sam? Yes, probably. I would say that Kerry are out in front and after that only Galway, Dublin and possibly Mayo (though the jury is still out on them) can win it. A bit behind that you have Tyrone, Derry, ourselves and Roscommon all of whom could reach a semi final depending on the draw. However we can realistically still hope to win an Ulster title. It depends on how we recover mentally from the blow of relegation, how many injuries we get cleared up and whether management can get us back playing to a similar tactical gameplan to last summer. Management can control the mental recovery and tactical adjustments required but after that we could do with the return of a few players from injury. Morgan, Oisin O'Neill, Crealey and Murnin being the most important of those as we still have a huge deficiency in midfield. I don't know if any or all of these will be fit for an Ulster campaign but there are big question marks over Morgan and O'Neill at least.
I believe Morgan played in the league last Friday against Killeavy.
Morgan and crealey should be fit for the Antrim game
Not sure about Conor o Neill
And no updates on other o neills nor murnin but tbf it's over a week away
Quote from: naka on March 29, 2023, 03:15:04 PM
Morgan and crealey should be fit for the Antrim game
Not sure about Conor o Neill
And no updates on other o neills nor murnin but tbf it's over a week away
Rian likely ok but may not be risked. Murnin likely out for Antrim.
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 29, 2023, 09:37:08 AM
Lots of talk about Monaghan and rightly so about how well they do in comparison to their small population, would be interesting to see a table of male adult playing numbers in every county (suspect one doesn't exist).
I'm sure there must be at table ranking counties by the amount of football clubs they have?
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They went a bit mad with the amount of clubs to have in Cork.
national league a better title than connaght or munster where you can win only two games from the start and be champions
if they ever get rid of league finals their should be a rule that there will be a playoff if top teams have same points i dont like deciding titles on point/goal differences.
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
Against Down. Plus they were missing several players during the League.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2023, 04:40:08 PM
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
Tbf I read it as in us agsinst the rest
The championship game against Down is winnable and if they do then they have Armagh or Cavan neither of which would strike fear into them.
Quote from: naka on March 29, 2023, 04:50:07 PM
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
Tbf I read it as in us agsinst the rest
The championship game against Down is winnable and if they do then they have Armagh or Cavan neither of which would strike fear into them.
would it not have been best coming in under the radar after a string of poor performance instead of making excuses like narrow defeats. Now after getting rid of their manager and if the injuries clear up and down beat them it's all on the players
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
Tbf I read it as in us agsinst the rest
The championship game against Down is winnable and if they do then they have Armagh or Cavan neither of which would strike fear into them.
would it not have been best coming in under the radar after a string of poor performance instead of making excuses like narrow defeats. Now after getting rid of their manager and if the injuries clear up and down beat them it's all on the players
It sounded like a message to the fans. If McBrearty and the others had been fit would they have been relegated ?
Even being relegated isn't much of a deal these days. The championship is where it's at.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2023, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
Mayo, Roscommon matches was almost a carbon copy. Both matches Donegal was competitive for 15 minutes only to find themselves 5 points behind at half time and lost by 11,12 points.
Fine that McBrearty calling for a siege mentality now but they'll need to find scorers (more than just him returning) to make any impact in the championship. Just 11 points per game average in the league and only one goal which was a penalty.
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2023, 05:11:33 PM
If McBrearty and the others had been fit would they have been relegated ?
Even being relegated isn't much of a deal these days. The championship is where it's at.
I believe they would still be relegated as they had the worst management team in Div 1 and that includes the fellas they have decided to keep on for the championship.
Relegated isn't much of a deal if you can bounce back to Div 1 the following year. Armagh i expect to bounce straight back I'm more doubtful on Donegal and it will depend on who they bring in as their next manager.
Party culture back in donegal football
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McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
Mayo, Roscommon matches was almost a carbon copy. Both matches Donegal was competitive for 15 minutes only to find themselves 5 points behind at half time and lost by 11,12 points.
Fine that McBrearty calling for a siege mentality now but they'll need to find scorers (more than just him returning) to make any impact in the championship. Just 11 points per game average in the league and only one goal which was a penalty.
I don't see us doing anything this year, especially not in Ulster. Scores, as you say, are a huge concern (defending too, but that's another issue in addition to all the other stuff!)
McBrearty is out until at least the round robin. Ryan McHugh hasn't yet kicked a ball this year. Oisin Gallen pulled up against Mayo after being sent on unfit and only played in fits and starts before that. Peadar Mogan, usually good for a score or two, went off injured against Mayo also and missed the last day. The O'Donnell brothers, both likely starters most years, are not in the squad this season.
Pretty grim stuff!
I'd be surprised if Donegal get past Down in the first round. The repercussions of this years shenanigans will not be solved in a few short weeks and may affect Donegal football for years to come.
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I'd be surprised if Donegal get past Down in the first round. The repercussions of this years shenanigans will not be solved in a few short weeks and may affect Donegal football for years to come.
The thing is that if Donegal do lose against Down they will still have 3 games in the round-robin stages.
Odds are this will likely be in the All-Ireland so one game against a provincial winner, one against a provincial loser and probably against a 3rd seed.
If there isn't some improvement from how they performed in the Mayo and Roscommon games it could get be a nasty summer for them.
Before the championship is over there might well be some Donegal folk who are hankering for the old days when you could go out of the Ulster championship in the first round and be done for the year.
NO NO Armagh coach Ciarán McKeever makes jaw-dropping prediction that 2023 could potentially be last ever Ulster Championship
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NO NO Armagh coach Ciarán McKeever makes jaw-dropping prediction that 2023 could potentially be last ever Ulster Championship
Beginning of the end of the Ulster championship is what he's saying. He was brought in by Ulster GAA chiefs to launch their province championship and I'd say they are delighted they chose him as he did nothing but talk down the importance of the Ulster championship. Two things stood out 1) it can be still important in the terms of group seeding 2) Armagh winning Ulster would be boost after relegation yet he doesn't think so and with such mindset it's not hard to see why Armagh haven't reached or won Ulster final since 2008.
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NO NO Armagh coach Ciarán McKeever makes jaw-dropping prediction that 2023 could potentially be last ever Ulster Championship
Beginning of the end of the Ulster championship is what he's saying. He was brought in by Ulster GAA chiefs to launch their province championship and I'd say they are delighted they chose him as he did nothing but talk down the importance of the Ulster championship. Two things stood out 1) it can be still important in the terms of group seeding 2) Armagh winning Ulster would be boost after relegation yet he doesn't think so and with such mindset it's not hard to see why Armagh haven't reached or won Ulster final since 2008.
Would have him nowhere near any coaching set up to be perfectly honest. Believe he is the main instigator behind the negative shite we played lately. Know a few from Mayobridge and he always sets them up horribly defensive.
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NO NO Armagh coach Ciarán McKeever makes jaw-dropping prediction that 2023 could potentially be last ever Ulster Championship
Beginning of the end of the Ulster championship is what he's saying. He was brought in by Ulster GAA chiefs to launch their province championship and I'd say they are delighted they chose him as he did nothing but talk down the importance of the Ulster championship. Two things stood out 1) it can be still important in the terms of group seeding 2) Armagh winning Ulster would be boost after relegation yet he doesn't think so and with such mindset it's not hard to see why Armagh haven't reached or won Ulster final since 2008.
He also said in that interview that Armagh had not changed anything tactically for this years League campaign so I'd take what he said with a massive pinch of salt.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2023, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 29, 2023, 02:00:59 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/28/mcbrearty-insists-donegal-will-be-a-different-proposition-in-the-ulster-sfc/
McBrearty suggests the squad will be circling the wagons now and adopting that trusty 'us against the world' approach ahead of their Ulster quarter-final against Down on April 23rd.
"We have to, because as a panel of players we have been through the mill of it this year between injuries and narrow losses and we are going to have to create a siege mentality because there's a lot of people inside the county that don't want to see us do well.
"Listen, there are a lot of arrows in the back there, coming from a lot of places. We're sticking together, media, supporters, they don't know what goes on in the dressingroom and they never really will either.
"They can speculate all they want but those lads, the 35 lads in there, will stick together; we don't really care what anyone else says, to be honest with you."
Probably a good job he doesn't speak that often as this is a bit unbelievable. Facts are they lost 5 games majority of which weren't narrow losses, they them got rid of their manager and the next day out instead of proving themselves they got hammered by Roscommon.
Circling the wagon is grand but at some point they have to look at themselves and hold themselves accountable.
All that rant has done is place a higher expectation of their shoulders that they are going to come out and win the next game.
I'm not from Donegal but I'd think this bit in bold is horseshit.
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Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 06:54:43 PM
NO NO Armagh coach Ciarán McKeever makes jaw-dropping prediction that 2023 could potentially be last ever Ulster Championship
Beginning of the end of the Ulster championship is what he's saying. He was brought in by Ulster GAA chiefs to launch their province championship and I'd say they are delighted they chose him as he did nothing but talk down the importance of the Ulster championship. Two things stood out 1) it can be still important in the terms of group seeding 2) Armagh winning Ulster would be boost after relegation yet he doesn't think so and with such mindset it's not hard to see why Armagh haven't reached or won Ulster final since 2008.
Well sooner or later we're going to have to target winning something so I'd be quite happy with an Ulster.
it did seem he did not know how seeding worked or he thinks its not that important
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 29, 2023, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 06:54:43 PM
NO NO Armagh coach Ciarán McKeever makes jaw-dropping prediction that 2023 could potentially be last ever Ulster Championship
Beginning of the end of the Ulster championship is what he's saying. He was brought in by Ulster GAA chiefs to launch their province championship and I'd say they are delighted they chose him as he did nothing but talk down the importance of the Ulster championship. Two things stood out 1) it can be still important in the terms of group seeding 2) Armagh winning Ulster would be boost after relegation yet he doesn't think so and with such mindset it's not hard to see why Armagh haven't reached or won Ulster final since 2008.
Would have him nowhere near any coaching set up to be perfectly honest. Believe he is the main instigator behind the negative shite we played lately. Know a few from Mayobridge and he always sets them up horribly defensive.
I agree with this
If Armagh get beat early in Ulster and end up in a group with Kerry followed by needing to win a preliminary quarter final for the right to play Dublin in a quarter final the following week they might look back differently at the importance of winning ulster.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/29/comer-feared-the-worst-after-suffering-knee-injury/
Damien Comer feared his season was over in the immediate aftermath of the knee injury he suffered against Roscommon in early February.
The 2022 All Star forward was carried off the field on a stretcher, after landing awkwardly having contested a dropping ball in front of the Roscommon goal during the early stages of Galway's home league match at Pearse Stadium.
Following medical treatment to his right knee, the Annaghdown man was stretchered off the field as concerns grew that he had suffered a cruciate tear.
Thankfully, the injury wasn't season-ending and Comer made his comeback as a substitute in last Sunday's win over Kerry. But he admits fearing the worst as he was carted off the pitch.
"I thought I was a goner, to be honest," says Comer. "I didn't really know what I had done, I never hurt my knee before, but it was excruciating pain and I thought there had to be some damage of a serious extent.
"In fairness, the pain settled fairly quickly once I got into the dressingroom. And no real swelling started to show, so it was probably a positive sign.
"And the scan results came back and it was just bad bone bruising, it was very tender around the two bones; I was lucky I didn't fracture them. The ligaments were a bit stretched but thankfully there was no serious damage."
Comer had hyperextended the knee on landing, but with no ligament rupture he was able to resume straight line running approximately three weeks after the injury.
He gradually worked his way back to contact training and emerged off the bench during the second half last Sunday, sporting knee-strapping, and even managed to tag over a point.
Maybe Comer should watch the Anthony Molloy Laochra Gael show. Different times back then, constant knee pain and regular injections before and after games. Not healthy in fairness
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 09:46:11 PM
it did seem he did not know how seeding worked or he thinks its not that important
Quote"The way the whole season is crammed in now it looks like this is the beginning of the end of the Ulster championship the way it's all going," he said.
"We will be going out to try and compete to win every match but we are under no illusion – our main priority is the super 16s. That's when the real football starts."
"There is no incentive now to go and win an Ulster championship," he insisted.
McKeever doesn't seem to have even a basic understanding of the new structure. Pretty much exposed himself as clueless.
Say Armagh did win Ulster this year - that would mean that they would definitely avoid all of the other provincial winners in the group stages which would surely increase their changes of getting past the group stages.
Even getting to an Ulster final would mean they would avoid all of the other provincial runners-up (which is probably not as great a benefit as it would be in other years because of the Connacht draw but most years a 2nd place seeding would mean avoiding one of Mayo/Galway/Roscommon)
By comparison as a 3rd or 4th seed Armagh would be guaranteed to play at least one provincial winner and one provincial loser in the group stages.
Also there is no protection for them to avoid any Ulster teams in the group stages if they end up as 3rd or 4th seed - the only protection/restriction is that the provincial winner and the provincial loser can't be drawn in the same group.
That's before you even consider the advantage the 1st and 2nd seeds have as regards their fixtures.
With all the effort it took to get the new structure accross the line, I don't see any significant changes being made for a good few years so I think that the Ulster championship is here to stay for a good few years yet, even though in time the Ulster counties are bound to be giving out about how it is harder for them to win an All-Ireland. I wonder will any of the county officials look back and realise that voting against the Green proposal effectively brought this on themselves.
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Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 09:46:11 PM
it did seem he did not know how seeding worked or he thinks its not that important
Quote"The way the whole season is crammed in now it looks like this is the beginning of the end of the Ulster championship the way it's all going," he said.
"We will be going out to try and compete to win every match but we are under no illusion – our main priority is the super 16s. That's when the real football starts."
"There is no incentive now to go and win an Ulster championship," he insisted.
McKeever doesn't seem to have even a basic understanding of the new structure. Pretty much exposed himself as clueless.
Say Armagh did win Ulster this year - that would mean that they would definitely avoid all of the other provincial winners in the group stages which would surely increase their changes of getting past the group stages.
Even getting to an Ulster final would mean they would avoid all of the other provincial runners-up (which is probably not as great a benefit as it would be in other years because of the Connacht draw but most years a 2nd place seeding would mean avoiding one of Mayo/Galway/Roscommon)
By comparison as a 3rd or 4th seed Armagh would be guaranteed to play at least one provincial winner and one provincial loser in the group stages.
Also there is no protection for them to avoid any Ulster teams in the group stages if they end up as 3rd or 4th seed - the only protection/restriction is that the provincial winner and the provincial loser can't be drawn in the same group.
That's before you even consider the advantage the 1st and 2nd seeds have as regards their fixtures.
With all the effort it took to get the new structure accross the line, I don't see any significant changes being made for a good few years so I think that the Ulster championship is here to stay for a good few years yet, even though in time the Ulster counties are bound to be giving out about how it is harder for them to win an All-Ireland. I wonder will any of the county officials look back and realise that voting against the Green proposal effectively brought this on themselves.
Can understand some supporters left confused about the new format and no doubt that will be case when it gets underway but I find it remarkable that someone involved with a inter county team like McKeever has a lack of research done.
As for County officials bringing it on themselves, a change was going to happen regardless and was the other options any better than what is starting this May?
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 30, 2023, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on March 29, 2023, 09:46:11 PM
it did seem he did not know how seeding worked or he thinks its not that important
Quote"The way the whole season is crammed in now it looks like this is the beginning of the end of the Ulster championship the way it's all going," he said.
"We will be going out to try and compete to win every match but we are under no illusion – our main priority is the super 16s. That's when the real football starts."
"There is no incentive now to go and win an Ulster championship," he insisted.
McKeever doesn't seem to have even a basic understanding of the new structure. Pretty much exposed himself as clueless.
Say Armagh did win Ulster this year - that would mean that they would definitely avoid all of the other provincial winners in the group stages which would surely increase their changes of getting past the group stages.
Even getting to an Ulster final would mean they would avoid all of the other provincial runners-up (which is probably not as great a benefit as it would be in other years because of the Connacht draw but most years a 2nd place seeding would mean avoiding one of Mayo/Galway/Roscommon)
By comparison as a 3rd or 4th seed Armagh would be guaranteed to play at least one provincial winner and one provincial loser in the group stages.
Also there is no protection for them to avoid any Ulster teams in the group stages if they end up as 3rd or 4th seed - the only protection/restriction is that the provincial winner and the provincial loser can't be drawn in the same group.
That's before you even consider the advantage the 1st and 2nd seeds have as regards their fixtures.
With all the effort it took to get the new structure accross the line, I don't see any significant changes being made for a good few years so I think that the Ulster championship is here to stay for a good few years yet, even though in time the Ulster counties are bound to be giving out about how it is harder for them to win an All-Ireland. I wonder will any of the county officials look back and realise that voting against the Green proposal effectively brought this on themselves.
Armagh are top 8 so would be expected to make the qfs
They're 9th now ;)
I don't know that it will mean that much to Dublin or Kerry. Ulster or Connacht yes.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 06:02:33 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:52:10 PM
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
Unfortunately Armagh are some way short of being serious contenders at the moment. Last years run has maybe given us false hope. There are different opinions on the reasons for this. There is probably enough talent, not withstanding the age of forker, soupy and some others. perhaps a different voice is needed?
Serious contenders for Sam? Yes, probably. I would say that Kerry are out in front and after that only Galway, Dublin and possibly Mayo (though the jury is still out on them) can win it. A bit behind that you have Tyrone, Derry, ourselves and Roscommon all of whom could reach a semi final depending on the draw. However we can realistically still hope to win an Ulster title.
Like the recent claim on here that Armagh could arguably claim to be a top four team this suggests that some supporters are overrating the team. Tyrone were terrible last year but since most of this side broke through they have won 1 All Ireland, reached another AI final, several AI semi finals, won 3 Ulsters and been a fixture in Division 1. They have work to do to show they can bounce back from the mess of 2022 - and league was very patchy - but as it stands they still have a strong record of achievement behind them. They have also won their last three games against the side you say are way out in front. If Tyrone can find some momentum they will fancy themselves against anyone. Armagh at this stage haven't got near winning Ulster, haven't gone past the AI quarters and haven't yet been able to establish themselves in Division 1. It's just not comparable. Similarly Derry have a provincial title, have gone further in the AI and at this stage have backed up a good season in 2022, even if they were in Division 2. Armagh might well kick on with a good summer and I'd expect them to bounce back in the league, but your assessment of their current position doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 28, 2023, 03:34:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 28, 2023, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 28, 2023, 12:52:10 PM
Attitude in the widest possible sense, league should have been targeted as very very winnable.
I don't think it wasn't that we didn't target it, we just fell short due to negative unsuitable tactics, an inability to close games out and injuries to some key players. Donaghy even said as much after the Galway match when he said that they'd hoped to be in a position travelling to Omagh knowing that a win there would guarantee them a League final. The Galway result ended that aspiration though. The margins were very fine but it was a missed opportunity nonetheless. I don't think Armagh will win an All Ireland but could have won a League title.
Unfortunately Armagh are some way short of being serious contenders at the moment. Last years run has maybe given us false hope. There are different opinions on the reasons for this. There is probably enough talent, not withstanding the age of forker, soupy and some others. perhaps a different voice is needed?
Serious contenders for Sam? Yes, probably. I would say that Kerry are out in front and after that only Galway, Dublin and possibly Mayo (though the jury is still out on them) can win it. A bit behind that you have Tyrone, Derry, ourselves and Roscommon all of whom could reach a semi final depending on the draw. However we can realistically still hope to win an Ulster title.
Like the recent claim on here that Armagh could arguably claim to be a top four team this suggests that some supporters are overrating the team. Tyrone were terrible last year but since most of this side broke through they have won 1 All Ireland, reached another AI final, several AI semi finals, won 3 Ulsters and been a fixture in Division 1. They have work to do to show they can bounce back from the mess of 2022 - and league was very patchy - but as it stands they still have a strong record of achievement behind them. They have also won their last three games against the side you say are way out in front. If Tyrone can find some momentum they will fancy themselves against anyone. Armagh at this stage haven't got near winning Ulster, haven't gone past the AI quarters and haven't yet been able to establish themselves in Division 1. It's just not comparable. Similarly Derry have a provincial title, have gone further in the AI and at this stage have backed up a good season in 2022, even if they were in Division 2. Armagh might well kick on with a good summer and I'd expect them to bounce back in the league, but your assessment of their current position doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
Unfortunately Armagh are not credible contenders for Sam, unless by some miracle they find something approaching last years form. Even at that there is still just something missing in terms of the quality of the team as a whole.
Rhubarbs and Herrins very quiet about th'oul League Final.
Is there any bit of interest at all?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2023, 11:41:26 AM
Rhubarbs and Herrins very quiet about th'oul League Final.
Is there any bit of interest at all?
There's as much interest as there was in the '20 and '21 finals. They were memorable and showed how much interest the GAA had in a League final when there was no money to be made!
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2023, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2023, 11:41:26 AM
Rhubarbs and Herrins very quiet about th'oul League Final.
Is there any bit of interest at all?
There's as much interest as there was in the '20 and '21 finals. They were memorable and showed how much interest the GAA had in a League final when there was no money to be made!
HQ GAA showed their interest further when they recommended to congress to scrap league finals and such calls was ignored. Next year those finals or pre season competitions will have to be scrapped if every team are to get at least two weeks training and preparation for the start of the championship.
Mayo must be focusing on the Roscommon match. Galway should have the full forward line in working order.
Mayo have named the same starting 15 that beat Donegal 1-17 to 0-9 in round 6 and just 5 that started against Monaghan in round 7.
Colm Reape
Jack Coyne, David McBrien, Sam Callinan
Stephen Coen, Conor Loftus, Paddy Durcan
Matthew Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor
Fionn McDonagh, Jack Carney, Jordan Flynn
Aidan O'Shea, James Carr, Ryan O'Donoghue.
Galway team
Conor Gleeson
Johnny McGrath Sean Kelly Sean Fitzgerald
Dylan McHugh John Daly Cian Hernon
Paul Conroy John Maher
Matthew Tierney Johnny Heaney Peter Cooke
Rob Finnerty Shane Walsh Cathal Sweeney
Gleeson back in goal, expect plenty of high balls in and extreme pressure on the keeper then. ::)
i expect a couple of changes to galway there. goalkeeper anyway will be swapped.
Quote from: WhoDat on March 31, 2023, 10:09:15 PM
i expect a couple of changes to galway there. goalkeeper anyway will be swapped.
Trust me he won't be swapped!
Quote from: WhoDat on March 31, 2023, 10:09:15 PM
i expect a couple of changes to galway there. goalkeeper anyway will be swapped.
Doubt it, PJ has been quoted many times since the Kerry game saying the Gleeson is his number 1 goalie and basically gave Power a run out in case he was needed if Gleeson was injured. Very disrespectful towards Power I thought.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2023, 11:41:26 AM
Rhubarbs and Herrins very quiet about th'oul League Final.
Is there any bit of interest at all?
Hard get excited when the Rhubarbs are out against the bigots the week after
The unbearable lightness of being from Mayo.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/04/01/mayo-and-galway-rivalry-peaks-as-they-eye-up-league-title-and-beyond/
Last July Galway were back in the final and pushed Kerry all the way, reviving the fear across the border that after years of futile effort, they would have to endure the Sam Maguire crossing the Shannon and bedecked with maroon and white.
"That fear is very real," Finnerty says. "I'd imagine it's still there for Mayo people after all the blood, sweat and tears that Galway could come along and pinch an All-Ireland."
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2023, 11:35:35 AM
The unbearable lightness of being from Mayo.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/04/01/mayo-and-galway-rivalry-peaks-as-they-eye-up-league-title-and-beyond/
Last July Galway were back in the final and pushed Kerry all the way, reviving the fear across the border that after years of futile effort, they would have to endure the Sam Maguire crossing the Shannon and bedecked with maroon and white.
"That fear is very real," Finnerty says. "I'd imagine it's still there for Mayo people after all the blood, sweat and tears that Galway could come along and pinch an All-Ireland."
It was safe as houses as long as Kerry or Dublin are in the Championship, Tradition says Galway won't beat them! ;)
Mayo are flying
Mayo are better conditioned team. This could be white wash.
Fortunate to get away with a yellow with the way he stuck out his leg there.
That's a bad challenge by the Mayo goalkeeper Reape. Heaney will be lucky if he's not badly injured.
26 minutes played Mayo 0-6 Galway 0-2
Looking like it could well be one of those games where Mayo's opponents looked totally out of it early one but inevitably get back into the game in the 2nd half and it ends in a dramatic helter-skelter finale
Mayo have basically stopped since that injury... very strange!!
Mayos first score for 24 minutes.
Half time Galway 0-5 Mayo 0-8.
Good to see a referee who realises that even tough Aidan O'Shea is a tank, when people drag him back, it's still a foul.
Dominance has come in waves in this match.
Like most games these days - not a great spectacle, but interesting to see how it will pan out.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2023, 04:43:13 PM
Good to see a referee who realises that even tough Aidan O'Shea is a tank, when people drag him back, it's still a foul.
Let's be honest some of the frees Mayo have got today have been marshmello soft however they are among the best for "winning" those type of frees.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2023, 04:43:13 PM
Good to see a referee who realises that even tough Aidan O'Shea is a tank, when people drag him back, it's still a foul.
Fouling AoS in particular is such dumb defensive play - he's a well below average scoring threat.
If you're marking AoS your priority should be defending his pass, let him shoot to his heart's content instead of handing Mayo's deadball kickers easy scores.
I think most of the Mayo frees have been fair enough but he's not giving them at the other end for similar. At least two clear ones he just ignored.
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Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2023, 04:43:13 PM
Good to see a referee who realises that even tough Aidan O'Shea is a tank, when people drag him back, it's still a foul.
Let's be honest some of the frees Mayo have got today have been marshmello soft however they are among the best for "winning" those type of frees.
He's been pretty consistent. Mayo are winning more frees than Galway because they're running more directly, whereas Galway are going sideways more often.
40 minutes played the start to 2nd half that Galway wanted. 0-8 to 0-7
Scores are rare in this 2nd half. 0-9 to 0-8 50 minutes played.
Comer not getting a free for exact same as O'Shea has been getting frees for all game.
Good game this. Not sure durkan is the right man for comer.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
Comer not getting a free for exact same as O'Shea has been getting frees for all game.
Yeah - he's getting nothing off the ref
Eoghan McLaughlin is Donie Vaughan's natural successor
Quote from: straightred on April 02, 2023, 05:24:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
Comer not getting a free for exact same as O'Shea has been getting frees for all game.
Yeah - he's getting nothing off the ref
For the free he conceded there where he was asking/shouting at the ref what the foul was there - zero attempt to tackle the ball as opposed to the man.
63 minutes played Mayo 0-12 to 0-10 ahead.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 02, 2023, 05:26:43 PM
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
Comer not getting a free for exact same as O'Shea has been getting frees for all game.
Yeah - he's getting nothing off the ref
For the free he conceded there where he was asking/shouting at the ref what the foul was there - zero attempt to tackle the ball as opposed to the man.
Then then Mayo get a soft one at the other end to add insult to injury
It would remind me of 96-99. Nothing between them.
Some of these frees. Powder puff soft.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 05:17:18 PM
Comer not getting a free for exact same as O'Shea has been getting frees for all game.
Yeah - he's getting nothing off the ref
For the free he conceded there where he was asking/shouting at the ref what the foul was there - zero attempt to tackle the ball as opposed to the man.
The standard of tackling is generally very poor the days. Players seem to think slapping the arms or back of a player or wrapping both arms around them is a "tackle"
How many steps did Conroy take there....twice?
Comer hit the post with one effort and Hawkeye chalks off another - very fine margins in a 2 point game.
Another defeat for Galway in Croke Park.
Brilliant. Reape rolling around feigning injury and bangs his face into the Galway leg! Hope it really hurt, but he probably faked that too
Reape will get man of the match anyway. 4 saves and the couple scores as well.
FT Mayo 0-14 Galway 0-11. Mayo 2nd Div 1 title in 5 years. Wait goes on for Galway, 1981 since they won the Div 1 title and can look back on plenty of what ifs.
Galway didn't really show up in Croke today, and fair dues to Mayo.
Tight game. Small margins. Galway had 4 decent goal chances and didn't take any of them. Comer hit the post twice (including the Hawkeye one). Don't take your chances you will end up on the wrong side of the score line. Don't think Joyce will be overly enthused by the ref's performance.
Congrats to Mayo.
Nice to win that.
Both teams played poorly.
Now for the real stuff!
Decent appetiser ahead of the championship.
The championship's in touching distance lads.
McHale will be happy with the silverwear but in the cold light of day might be a touch more worried than Joyce.
Giving up that amount of goal chances would be a big worry.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 05:41:05 PM
Tight game. Small margins. Galway had 4 decent goal chances and didn't take any of them. Comer hit the post twice (including the Hawkeye one). Don't take your chances you will end up on the wrong side of the score line. Don't think Joyce will be overly enthused by the ref's performance.
Congrats to Mayo.
Fair assessment on the game and the Ref.
Galway had three very good goal chances, not including Cookes effort.
Quote from: joemamas on April 02, 2023, 05:44:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 05:41:05 PM
Tight game. Small margins. Galway had 4 decent goal chances and didn't take any of them. Comer hit the post twice (including the Hawkeye one). Don't take your chances you will end up on the wrong side of the score line. Don't think Joyce will be overly enthused by the ref's performance.
Congrats to Mayo.
Fair assessment on the game and the Ref.
Galway had three very good goal chances, not including Cookes effort.
And even wides to get at least a draw. At this level you expect 45s to be scored
Just saw the scores there.
Did both teams only score 4 points each from play?
Jesus, sounds like some sour grapes knocking about on here and on TV. Fair play to Mayo, best team won, for a team supposedly on the way down with an ageing team that's a super transition irrespective of what happens the rest of the year.
Mayo probably the better team over the 70 mins and deserved the win, they were far more direct and intent in their attacking than Galway.
Having said that, Galway would be right to wonder about some of those frees given, when they weren't getting similar. Only 4 points from play for Mayo. Joyce seemed to indicate he thought some of the frees given were "questionable", I would have to agree with him. I'd be surprised if a lot of them were given in a big championship knockout game.
Mayo will be delighted, Rossies waiting in the long grass now though
Mayo the stronger side there, should probably have won by more.
Look like they are still improving.
Galway will be hard to beat, but not sure they are at the level to win sam. Mayo look closer to me.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2023, 06:04:44 PM
Mayo the stronger side there, should probably have won by more.
Look like they are still improving.
Galway will be hard to beat, but not sure they are at the level to win sam. Mayo look closer to me.
Not sure how they should have won by more when all the missed/saved goal chances were Galway's?
Quote from: bennydorano on April 02, 2023, 06:00:06 PM
Jesus, sounds like some sour grapes knocking about on here and on TV. Fair play to Mayo, best team won, for a team supposedly on the way down with an ageing team that's a super transition irrespective of what happens the rest of the year.
Thought PJ was reserved in his criticism. He broached the topic and moved on. I would not put him in the sore loser category.
Mayo's direct style encourages tackles that look more obvious to a referee. Galways laboured attack discourages referees to give frees.
I though both teams played poorly, loads of errors and unenforced turnovers. Most scores came from frees or marks. It was a poor game in general appart from the drama of close neighbours looking for one-up-manship!
Well done Mayo.
Was a game that could have been won from our point of view.
Mayo keeper nailed several long rangers while Shane missed several for us, whilst he also made a few important saves. He was the difference really. Damo should be scoring his one really from where he is.
The less said about some of the "soft" frees given to Mayo the better for fear of it sounding like sour grapes but his lack of consistency in that regard was annoying from a Galway point of view.
Anyhow we move on. Hopefully there will be payback in 4 weeks time. Time will tell.
Mayo the better team, but sure, blame the ref for missing those 45s
Not sure why Walsh kept taking 45s with his bad foot. He needs to take them with his right or they need to practice a set play!
Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2023, 06:19:35 PM
Not sure why Walsh kept taking 45s with his bad foot. He needs to take them with his right or they need to practice a set play!
I don't think he missed a single 45 last year in the championship.
Shows the difference it makes when the 45s are converted.
mayo probably the better team but they should be concerned by how often they were opened up. goalie saved them - and on that, no way was the challenge on heaney a red. what was he to do, just let the man run past him? shame for heaney, but the goalie did his job.
thought durcan and o'shea were very strong, tho idk why mayo are leaving a player like conroy sitting on the bench for 55 minutes. he caused pure panic when he came on with his pace. they need him on earlier.
joyce a brilliant footballer but a bit of a whinger as a manager.
Thought over the 70 minutes it was even enough contest that could have went either way. Mayo the better team in the opening 20 minutes and final 15. Galway 20 minutes to 55 minutes was on top. Both have plenty to work on before the championship, Mayo will be delighted to win another national title but won't be happy giving up so many goal chances.
Mayo were just better on the day,no point in what if's.Galway will head to the sun,mayo will have a day off and back into it for next week.will Roscommon be the real winners 🤔no doubt about the reape foul on heaney he left his leg in there to halt at all costs.Ironic he ends up man of the match.☺️Roll on the champo!!!!
Quote from: WhoDat on April 02, 2023, 06:25:28 PM
mayo probably the better team but they should be concerned by how often they were opened up. goalie saved them - and on that, no way was the challenge on heaney a red. what was he to do, just let the man run past him? shame for heaney, but the goalie did his job.
thought durcan and o'shea were very strong, tho idk why mayo are leaving a player like conroy sitting on the bench for 55 minutes. he caused pure panic when he came on with his pace. they need him on earlier.
joyce a brilliant footballer but a bit of a whinger as a manager.
They are easing him back after a Cruciate knee injury. He could get injured easily again as he's just getting back to speed.
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Quote from: WhoDat on April 02, 2023, 06:25:28 PM
mayo probably the better team but they should be concerned by how often they were opened up. goalie saved them - and on that, no way was the challenge on heaney a red. what was he to do, just let the man run past him? shame for heaney, but the goalie did his job.
thought durcan and o'shea were very strong, tho idk why mayo are leaving a player like conroy sitting on the bench for 55 minutes. he caused pure panic when he came on with his pace. they need him on earlier.
joyce a brilliant footballer but a bit of a whinger as a manager.
They are easing him back after a Cruciate knee injury. He could get injured easily again as he's just getting back to speed.
i think bring him in at half time. carr not consistent enough for them.
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Quote from: screenexile on April 02, 2023, 06:19:35 PM
Not sure why Walsh kept taking 45s with his bad foot. He needs to take them with his right or they need to practice a set play!
Walsh is an awesome talent, but it's frankly silly to take 45s with your weak foot when they are just off centre. Even if he does score some of them with his slightly weaker foot, he would score more with his natural one.
Mayo are the best team this year. Will be a shame not to win Sam. Very hard for Kerry to defend it. If Mayo get Kerry in the quarters or semi, then I'd be confident they'd take them. A final v Kerry may bring back the old demons though.
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Not sure why Walsh kept taking 45s with his bad foot. He needs to take them with his right or they need to practice a set play!
Walsh is an awesome talent, but it's frankly silly to take 45s with your weak foot when they are just off centre. Even if he does score some of them with his slightly weaker foot, he would score more with his natural one.
Mayo are the best team this year. Will be a shame not to win Sam. Very hard for Kerry to defend it. If Mayo get Kerry in the quarters or semi, then I'd be confident they'd take them. A final v Kerry may bring back the old demons though.
mayo need to up their return from play imo to be the real front runner. 4 points from play today. that won't win an all ireland when push comes to shove.
People are reading too much into the 4 points from play, if Galway weren't as cynical we'd have gotten more from play than from frees. Galway should've had 2 black cards as well. Joyce can whinge all he wants, best team won.
definitely agree on galway's cynicism. they often are very cynical and it's rarely talked about. there has always been bit of a media love in with galway football imo, lots of people romanticise them due to the 98 and 01 all irelands.
Quote from: highorlow on April 02, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
People are reading too much into the 4 points from play, if Galway weren't as cynical we'd have gotten more from play than from frees. Galway should've had 2 black cards as well. Joyce can whinge all he wants, best team won.
The way Galway defend nowadays they simply don't give up many scores from play against any team. What matters most is getting ball into the scoring positions and if you get plenty of scores from fouls it's hugely important to have good free takers and Mayo have that with O'Donogue,Reape and indeed C O'Connor who due back next weekend.
Congrats to the Rhubarbs and their extended management team.
Please celebrate for the next week and no doubt ye're looking forward to batin Galway again in 3 weeks time.
On another day Galway could have scored another 3-4 or so but they didn't and such is life.
Quote from: highorlow on April 02, 2023, 07:14:50 PM
People are reading too much into the 4 points from play, if Galway weren't as cynical we'd have gotten more from play than from frees. Galway should've had 2 black cards as well. Joyce can whinge all he wants, best team won.
I can't believe people still trade in this type of stat, 99% of the time the scores have come from frees because the other team are fouling them in the scoring zone.
Poor opening 20 minutes cost Galway, far too passive and let Mayo waltz into Galway's 45 time and time again. Galway then 5 points down defended on the 45 and then Mayo really struggled breaking Galway down from then in, reckon they went over 55 minutes without kicking a score from play.
Shane Walsh kicked 2 brilliant points from play, he's not the reason Galway got beat but has been fashionable for a good few years to blame Walsh everytime Galway get beat. Galway needed that goal and created more then enough good chances but the finishing was poor but credit to Reape who was outstanding and easily the man of the match for those saves and his free taking.
AOS won 2 frees which were scored from, both exceptionally soft with O'Shea going nowhere as was the one Tommy Conroy got when he stuck his head down trying to run through Fitzgerald at 11-10. To get all 3 of those decisions is very unusual. Take a look at where O'Donoghue took his mark from, made a difficult free a gimme. Just seen the amount of steps Conroy took to get past Glynn, one bounce of the ball between 20 steps, Cawley was a joke.
Galway can't have as bad as opening 20 minutes come the championship if they've aspirations of winning it. Joyce will be relatively happy enough with the final 50 kicked some great scores, created enough goal chances albeit not taken and Mayo really struggled to break Galway down.
tbh for years o'shea was one of the most fouled players in intercounty football, lots of refs will let things go against a big strong man and he would nearly have to have 3 or 4 lads jumping on his back before a ref would blow the whistle. dublin used to cut lumps off him during the 6 in a row years and he rarely got anything. i was surprised he got those frees simply because he rarely gets them.
Mayo do not miss Cillian O'Connor at all.
I had my doubts about his ability to play intercounty football but was impressed again for the second week in a row with John Maher today. On a sunny day in Croke Park I thought he might struggle to keep up with Ruane on that surface but if anything it was the other way around for long spells. A nice little bonus Galway have got from the latter stage of the league. And obviously with McDaid to come back too.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 02, 2023, 09:05:27 PM
Mayo do not miss Cillian O'Connor at all.
They did for the last 5 minutes. He'd have added composure.
Can't help but think of Farrandeelin today. He would have been delighted.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
I had my doubts about his ability to play intercounty football but was impressed again for the second week in a row with John Maher today. On a sunny day in Croke Park I thought he might struggle to keep up with Ruane on that surface but if anything it was the other way around for long spells. A nice little bonus Galway have got from the latter stage of the league. And obviously with McDaid to come back too.
A shame he wasn't given more game time earlier on in the league unless he was injured? McDaid hasn't looked like he was fit since a ball was kicked.
He's taken me by surprise the last few weeks and is definitely going to get plenty of minutes. Disappointing result today but the league has served its purpose and he's found more players then I thought they would.
Quote from: laoislad on April 02, 2023, 09:38:00 PM
Can't help but think of Farrandeelin today. He would have been delighted.
He'd have been even more proud of his Clubman's performance in goal.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 02, 2023, 09:05:27 PM
Mayo do not miss Cillian O'Connor at all.
Just the 7 points a game he's averaged for Mayo across his career.
Why would anyone miss that?
I'd guess you don't rate Harry Kane either?
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 02, 2023, 09:05:27 PM
Mayo do not miss Cillian O'Connor at all.
They did for the last 5 minutes. He'd have added composure.
i actually thought mayo were more composed than usual closing the game out
Thought that too. Last five to ten minutes they never looked like losing.
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 02, 2023, 09:05:27 PM
Mayo do not miss Cillian O'Connor at all.
Just the 7 points a game he’s averaged for Mayo across his career.
Why would anyone miss that?
I’d guess you don’t rate Harry Kane either?
Depends on who comes out of the Mayo team if Cillian O'Connor starts. At the moment O'Donoghue has filled in well 2-34 (0-25fs 0-04 marks) this year. Will McStay have a starting team with both in the forward line?
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Poor opening 20 minutes cost Galway, far too passive and let Mayo waltz into Galway's 45 time and time again. Galway then 5 points down defended on the 45 and then Mayo really struggled breaking Galway down from then in, reckon they went over 55 minutes without kicking a score from play.
Shane Walsh kicked 2 brilliant points from play, he's not the reason Galway got beat but has been fashionable for a good few years to blame Walsh everytime Galway get beat. Galway needed that goal and created more then enough good chances but the finishing was poor but credit to Reape who was outstanding and easily the man of the match for those saves and his free taking.
AOS won 2 frees which were scored from, both exceptionally soft with O'Shea going nowhere as was the one Tommy Conroy got when he stuck his head down trying to run through Fitzgerald at 11-10. To get all 3 of those decisions is very unusual. Take a look at where O'Donoghue took his mark from, made a difficult free a gimme. Just seen the amount of steps Conroy took to get past Glynn, one bounce of the ball between 20 steps, Cawley was a joke.
Galway can't have as bad as opening 20 minutes come the championship if they've aspirations of winning it. Joyce will be relatively happy enough with the final 50 kicked some great scores, created enough goal chances albeit not taken and Mayo really struggled to break Galway down.
Didn't realise you were a poster here PJ
Galway got what they deserved out of that game, nothing.
Really hard to believe that overall performance, such a terrible start, so many unforced errors, so many missed chances, simply not good enough to win any title. Mayo worthy winners but realistically they didn't have to beat much.
It's hard to sound anything but churlish so apologies in advance but Galway really just let Mayo take that title today, loads of errors, so many Mayo scores were off the back of Galway turnovers and fouls. Some of those were 100% fouls, others so soft that it was hard to believe they were called. Felt Mayo got them easier but it's hard to sound anything but a sore loser going down that route, if Galway had kicked the missed marks, frees and 45s alone the cup would be Corribside, just not up to it today. The two Mayo scores before HT were crazy to give away, I thought that Galway had taken that silly stuff out of their game in terms of giveaway scores but today was a poor, poor look.
Congrats to the Mayo posters here, well deserved victory, great to win when not even performing at full tilt, in a wide open championship it would not surprise me at all to see Mayo come out on top, they have oceans to improve on from today. McStay might be the lucky general to bring it home.
For Galway it's a bad performance and a shit way to end up the league, if they had performed today and lost I'd say something but to come out and show that stuff with a national title available, I dunno, it's poor.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 02, 2023, 11:43:29 PM
Galway got what they deserved out of that game, nothing.
Really hard to believe that overall performance, such a terrible start, so many unforced errors, so many missed chances, simply not good enough to win any title. Mayo worthy winners but realistically they didn't have to beat much.
It's hard to sound anything but churlish so apologies in advance but Galway really just let Mayo take that title today, loads of errors, so many Mayo scores were off the back of Galway turnovers and fouls. Some of those were 100% fouls, others so soft that it was hard to believe they were called. Felt Mayo got them easier but it's hard to sound anything but a sore loser going down that route, if Galway had kicked the missed marks, frees and 45s alone the cup would be Corribside, just not up to it today. The two Mayo scores before HT were crazy to give away, I thought that Galway had taken that silly stuff out of their game in terms of giveaway scores but today was a poor, poor look.
Congrats to the Mayo posters here, well deserved victory, great to win when not even performing at full tilt, in a wide open championship it would not surprise me at all to see Mayo come out on top, they have oceans to improve on from today. McStay might be the lucky general to bring it home.
For Galway it's a bad performance and a shit way to end up the league, if they had performed today and lost I'd say something but to come out and show that stuff with a national title available, I dunno, it's poor.
You are being hard on Galway. I thought both teams were poor. A lot had probably to do with familiarity, both these teams could yet end up playing each other 4 times between League and Championship. Mayo got the rub of the green today, decisions and lucky breaks went their way. Galway have been coasting along in the League. Mayo on the other hand have been motoring at a different level. This has a lot to do with championship. I see your disappointment, but this will be well forgotten if Galway beat Mayo or the Rossies in a few weeks time.
Nice to win but when the dust settles I doubt Galway will be overly worried or disappointed to have lost that final today. Sure last year they lost the Division two final to Roscommon and went on to win Connacht and be competitive against Kerry in the All Ireland final.
Congrats to Mayo, well deserved win on the day.
Very frustrating Galway performance, especially the first quarter. Regardless of any refereeing decisions, we didn't manage our own performance well enough to put ourselves in a position to win the game. Aside from the goal chances, there were ample opportunities from 45s, marks and play that we didn't execute, so we can have zero complaints.
In general, the league has served us well and we definitely have a stronger panel going into this years championship than we did 12 months ago. Pity about the performance yesterday but that competition is now over. We start again in 3 weeks time where I expect that we will be playing yesterdays opposition again in Pearse Stadium. The traffic will be shocking!! ;)
Galway's execution let them down but shur it's only the League and the championship is a long time away.
I knew it was bad at the game but saw this morning that Galway scoring percentage from shots was down at 48%, look no further as to why we lost than this single stat.
One of the reasons Galway managed to improve and win games last year - and it was the one huge plus from the Division Two campaign last year in terms of a leap forward - was that the scoring conversion rate was really good in most games, around the 70ish% mark on the better days. Any backslide on this to low conversion rates again and games will be lost just like yesterday.
Conroy has been excellent the last few years and still has a role to play for Galway but at this stage it's clear he will be ate alive for pace come summertime on that CP surface, don't know what the best course of action is to manage that, don't really have anyone else bar Daly with his kick passing ability into the forwards out the pitch.
McDaid is a colossal miss when absent, hopefully he is being managed to be right for championship, Galway can't do without him particularly in Croke Park.
Cooke's role isn't clear, not sure yet how he is supposed to fit in to what Galway are trying to achieve. When he started to move forward with a bit more purpose towards the end of the match we saw what he should be in this team but to date it's been very lateral stuff and his tackling technique is appalling, just giving away frees where there is no need at all. Galway had won games this league on not giving away frees in the scoring zone, that fell to pieces yesterday and whatever about a few calls, there were jersey pulls at times that were punished, with some real lazy efforts from Cooke in that regard.
Maher has surprised, didn't look out of place yesterday and has certainly put the hand up. Ciarán Duggan was a late league bolter in 2018 who played really well in that Championship and in 2019 league until he got the injury which finished his IC career. Will hopefully see similar performances like the past two Sundays from Maher in Connacht and the All Ireland Series.
The management should give Matthew Tierney the frees and 45s that are suitable for a left footer and stick with him on them. He was out of that match yesterday and has seemed to be at his best for Galway when he has been on frees to at least keep him involved and tipping along. He might miss a few initially but he has the range and the ability in general, Walsh is about as two footed as you can get but is better on right foot frees at the end of the day. If we don't get Tierney playing well in the big games, Galway are going to continue to come up short just like yesterday.
Wouldn't be that hard of your self, Harold Schumacher, sorry the Mayo keeper should seen the line, that was a horrid tackle with his knee basically into the lads stomach. Galway probably would won from there.
Hahaha, only people of a certain vintage will get that one. Workd Cup 82 I believe
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 01:21:08 PM
Wouldn't be that hard of your self, Harold Schumacher, sorry the Mayo keeper should seen the line, that was a horrid tackle with his knee basically into the lads stomach. Galway probably would won from there.
Take a look and see if you want to change your mind:
https://twitter.com/cormacpro/status/1642669597869350913?t=K7qH1iREi98bUOKdOMtP9A&s=19
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsvvSZAWcAE1ABm?format=jpg&name=small)
Surely the natural reaction from a keeper is to follow the line of the ball? He clearly hasn't and was more concerned with protecting himself.
Peter Cavanagh said the goalie took him out. It's a pity Sean Cavanagh wasn't the analyst
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
won 2 there in the championship last year alone (armagh and derry)
I don't know what more Mayo lads want, Reape was MOTM after, only conceded a point there and Heaney left the pitch, it's not like Reape got sent to the line unjustly or something.
There's more shite on social media with Mayo lads like yerman there whining about a bit of discussion on the Reape incident. Are they that upset over opinions that are irrelevant at this stage? Mayo won the match FFS, get on with it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
Yeah it's not true but sure you knew that well yourself.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
If you only count Armagh games.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
If you only count Armagh games.
Armagh game was a draw settled by penalties.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
Maybe pre last year?
Kildare 2017
Derry 2022
Saved you some onerous research there FTB to figure out it's only the two matches.
How many have Mayo won over the same timeframe, must be nearly 30ish you'd think. Incredible record in fairness, only for they had to play that Dubs team it would be so much more as well, some county, the best fans as well.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
won 2 there in the championship last year alone (armagh and derry)
Won against Kerry in 2018 in Super 8s group game.
FYI - only knockout games count for the likes of FTB, that Kerry win may as well not have happened.
Mayo awarded 8 frees within the scoring zone in the first 70 minutes from which 7 were converted yesterday compared to Galway's 1, 2nd free didn't come until the 75th minute.
I've watched it back and Joyce, O'Neill & Co will be fuming when they do; Some of those decisions were an utter joke and clearly impacted on the game. Mayo went 55 minutes without scoring from play.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 03, 2023, 02:25:07 PM
FYI - only knockout games count for the likes of FTB, that Kerry win may as well not have happened.
In fairness it may not have been a knock out championship game but it helped Galway qualify for an AI Semi-final.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 03, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
Mayo awarded 8 frees within the scoring zone in the first 70 minutes from which 7 were converted yesterday compared to Galway's 1, 2nd free didn't come until the 75th minute.
I've watched it back and Joyce, O'Neill & Co will be fuming when they do; Some of those decisions were an utter joke and clearly impacted on the game. Mayo went 55 minutes without scoring from play.
Galway had enough chances to overcome any of that stuff and didn't take them, blaming the ref isn't going to be useful in rectifying what went wrong yesterday. When Comer didn't get a stonewall free in and there was puffball stuff given at the other end, that's just the way it's going to be, good teams can surmount those problems. Galway tackling wasn't good enough either at times, it has to be said.
In fairness to the referee though, he probably didn't want to hear anymore ringing booing of the Galway freetaker from the stands unless it was absolutely necessary.
Presumably those booing were the Dubs fans who stayed in for the second match because it surely wasn't the Mayo fans at it.
But the main thing we've learned from Mayo Gaa fans on social media is that Reape is the real victim of any referee decision yesterday, please keep that in mind.
Yeh, blame the ref, it was him that kicked all the Galway wides
Have the day off so rewatched the game for my sins this morning. Galway will obviously be very disappointed but will probably realise had they tidied a couple things up and were even a small bit more clinical, they would probably have won the game.
First 12 minutes really cost them. Mayo scored 3 points off unforced errors from Galway players with loose hand passes in the middle third of the field which led to Mayo counter attacks. McHugh, Cooke and the third name escapes me. These weren't even a result of good Mayo pressure or tackling. Just sloppy basic errors.
A look at the stats really tells a tale. Galway with 5 goal chances (if you include Heaney's) to 1 for Mayo. Galway had more shots. Had more shots from play. Had more turnovers. More wides. Where they were killed was the free count/45's. Mayo with 10 points from placed balls. Galway only had 4.
I don't think the frees need to be raked over again only to say you would be extremely surprised to get some of those in championship. The Tommy Conroy one is a free the other way I'd say 8 times out of 10. The non award for the Comer one he hit wide while being pulled off balance was mind boggling given what was going on at the other end.
However, Galway's wastefulness rather than frees was their main problem. They still could have overcome the free count had they even been a tad more clinical. Hopefully that comes with match sharpness for a few players that are probably a bit off their top level yet.
Individually I thought some of the performances were good. Maher is now a live option all of a sudden. Mayo struggled to contain his hard running at times before he tired. He reminds me a bit of Michael Dara MacAuley in that he looks a bit awkward at times albeit effective. After a difficult first 15 minutes I thought by the second half Johnny McGrath had gotten on top of O'Donoghue. No easy task for a young player breaking through. Not getting anything out of Tierney when he was Galway's best player during the league certainly didn't help. The ball just didn't seem go his way on the day. Hernon was taken off for the second game in a row. Tough on a young player but he's missed a lot of football recently and just doesn't look up to the speed of the intercounty game yet. His massively telegraphed shot early on that was blocked down probably an example of this. Molloy's spot there at wing-back is probably up for grabs by someone.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 03, 2023, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 03, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
Mayo awarded 8 frees within the scoring zone in the first 70 minutes from which 7 were converted yesterday compared to Galway's 1, 2nd free didn't come until the 75th minute.
I've watched it back and Joyce, O'Neill & Co will be fuming when they do; Some of those decisions were an utter joke and clearly impacted on the game. Mayo went 55 minutes without scoring from play.
Galway had enough chances to overcome any of that stuff and didn't take them, blaming the ref isn't going to be useful in rectifying what went wrong yesterday. When Comer didn't get a stonewall free in and there was puffball stuff given at the other end, that's just the way it's going to be, good teams can surmount those problems. Galway tackling wasn't good enough either at times, it has to be said.
In fairness to the referee though, he probably didn't want to hear anymore ringing booing of the Galway freetaker from the stands unless it was absolutely necessary.
Presumably those booing were the Dubs fans who stayed in for the second match because it surely wasn't the Mayo fans at it.
But the main thing we've learned from Mayo Gaa fans on social media is that Reape is the real victim of any referee decision yesterday, please keep that in mind.
I agree Galway created enough chances to win it, 9 attempts missed from Walsh, Comer & Finnerty alone; Not one of them is 100% fit yet so would like to think that won't be replicated for the rest of the summer.
The opening 15 minutes killed Galway, giving Mayo a 5 point head start was very poor and meant Galway were always going to need a goal to win it.
Congrats to Mayo. Once they established that early lead, they always looked the likely winners even if Galway did get it back to the bare minimum on a couple of occasions. Left themselves too much to do as Mayo always capable of getting points down the other end, even if from 16th minute to injury time, they were only scoring from frees (some very debatable). However give Mayo frees and you will be punished as they now have Reape for long range and ROD for closer in, and COC to come on from later in championship. Heaney was a big loss for Galway, as Comer understandingly was not match fit. Overall it was a very poor game of football but intriguing none the less. Davy Burke will not have learnt anything he did not already know about Mayo. They start games at a million miles an hour, are very fit, are confident, and will be looking to blow us away in the first half in McHale park. We'll be up against it but as always we live in hope.
It is an ambush waiting to happen.
Disappointing performance from a Galway viewpoint, as others have said we can talk about the ref and the soft frees given at one end and not at the other but at the end of the day we didn't take so many scoring chances that were presented, we missed 4 placed balls and had 3 goal chances which could have been easy points in the second half, another day Shane gets all 4 of those points and at least one of those goals goes in. We got what we wanted out of the league I think, Johnny McGrath is a real option in the backs, Cian Hernon has a bit to go yet I think and John Maher has really stepped up since he got his chance. Kick outs/goalkeeping are still a major weakness though, even yesterday when mayo were giving us the short kick out Gleeson is dribbling ball along the ground to the backs putting them under immediate pressure, he looks in a panic every time he goes for a kick out. He mad a great save in fairness to him but the kick outs are a huge worry going into championship. I really think Power is a better option for that alone even though he's had his bad days too.
yhe big difference in the the Semi-final is that 24 or 15 or ( no new injuries on sunday) ) will probably start for mayo where as Galway will only start maybe 7 or 8 from yesterdays team .
A whole new ball game
Is this mostly a new Mayo team? Don't recognise many faces from the All Ireland appearances of past few years.
Quote from: Armamike on April 03, 2023, 05:43:12 PM
Is this mostly a new Mayo team? Don't recognise many faces from the All Ireland appearances of past few years.
The new or newish players are Reape in goal and defenders David McBrien,Jack Coyne who along with Jack Carney was U20s in 2020 who lost to Galway on penalties (that Galway team went on to win the All Ireland after that match) Enda Hession was also on that U20 team but currently injured. Sam Callinan is still U20 this year but I'm not sure will he be allowed to play in that championship.
The rest have been around for a number of years. Stephen Coen, Conor Loftus, Diarmuid O'Connor;Mattie Ruane, James Carr all part of the Mayo U21 All Ireland winning team in 2016 then Jordan Flynn,Ryan O'Donoghue,Tommy Conroy from the 2018 U20 All Ireland finalists team. Of the starters yesterday Durcan,Aidan O'Shea the most experienced players.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 03, 2023, 02:05:25 PM
I don't know what more Mayo lads want, Reape was MOTM after, only conceded a point there and Heaney left the pitch, it's not like Reape got sent to the line unjustly or something.
There's more shite on social media with Mayo lads like yerman there whining about a bit of discussion on the Reape incident. Are they that upset over opinions that are irrelevant at this stage? Mayo won the match FFS, get on with it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
Yeah it's not true but sure you knew that well yourself.
An Fhairche Abu,
Please ignore the idiots on social media. A lot of them are kids, a lot others WUM.
Over the years I have found your analysis to be evenhanded and accurate.
I thought Reape could have/should have walked, it was late full stop. I hope Heaney is not badly injured.
As one Galway blogger posted yesterday, it was a game of small margins, Galway had 4 clear cut goal chances, if they got one of them, most likely result would have been different. If Comer had looked up for his chance A Galway player was running right thru at an empty net totally unmarked inside the the 14 yard line.
Matthew Tierney was non existent, never got into the game.
What's the story with Shane Walsh's inability to take frees with his right foot, some sort of injury ?.
Could be very critical come June or July.
Cooke as you mentioned is either a very lazy or bad tackler. Mayo's last point on the first half from a free, he let a Mayo man waltz around him between the 50-70, then ended up fouling him about 35-40 yards out.
As for my Mayo, a win is a win. As mentioned it has been a good league, however injuries may have taken their toll.
We could be without 4 starting backs for at least next Sunday, Coyne, McBrien, Hession and Brickenden. Certainly cannot be ignored. Roscommon's forwards are very decent, and
if we have to face Galway in three weeks without them, I am not sure we have the replacements.
Positives, our forwards with the exception of Fionn McDonagh can kick scores, his role seems to be more of a defensive half forward if that isin't an anomaly. The movement of the forwards has been impressive and the lack of panic and giving that extra hand pass in tight quarters has resulted in a lot more scores. We do need Conroy on the field for longer, as it is unlikely that Cillian will be starting.
Aiden O Shea had been immense and truly unselfish all year.
Mayo are a work in progress, their tackling is frienzed and unselfish, management deserve a lot of credit for this, even yesterday, Galway had more than a few turnovers inside the 30 yard line.
I also thought Mayo got more from the ref than Galway, but given how we have gotten shafted by Deegan and McQuillan in particular, I will take it.
it is very possible that we will meet again in June or July.
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It is an ambush waiting to happen.
hardly an ambush when everyone involved knows and played each other only a few weeks before.
Quote from: joemamas on April 03, 2023, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 03, 2023, 02:05:25 PM
I don't know what more Mayo lads want, Reape was MOTM after, only conceded a point there and Heaney left the pitch, it's not like Reape got sent to the line unjustly or something.
There's more shite on social media with Mayo lads like yerman there whining about a bit of discussion on the Reape incident. Are they that upset over opinions that are irrelevant at this stage? Mayo won the match FFS, get on with it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 03, 2023, 02:01:02 PM
Some one said to me yesterday thet Galway have only won one game in Croke Park since 2001. That can't be true?
Yeah it's not true but sure you knew that well yourself.
An Fhairche Abu,
Please ignore the idiots on social media. A lot of them are kids, a lot others WUM.
Over the years I have found your analysis to be evenhanded and accurate.
I thought Reape could have/should have walked, it was late full stop. I hope Heaney is not badly injured.
As one Galway blogger posted yesterday, it was a game of small margins, Galway had 4 clear cut goal chances, if they got one of them, most likely result would have been different. If Comer had looked up for his chance A Galway player was running right thru at an empty net totally unmarked inside the the 14 yard line.
Matthew Tierney was non existent, never got into the game.
What's the story with Shane Walsh's inability to take frees with his right foot, some sort of injury ?.
Could be very critical come June or July.
Cooke as you mentioned is either a very lazy or bad tackler. Mayo's last point on the first half from a free, he let a Mayo man waltz around him between the 50-70, then ended up fouling him about 35-40 yards out.
As for my Mayo, a win is a win. As mentioned it has been a good league, however injuries may have taken their toll.
We could be without 4 starting backs for at least next Sunday, Coyne, McBrien, Hession and Brickenden. Certainly cannot be ignored. Roscommon's forwards are very decent, and if we have to face Galway in three weeks without them, I am not sure we have the replacements.
Positives, our forwards with the exception of Fionn McDonagh can kick scores, his role seems to be more of a defensive half forward if that isin't an anomaly. The movement of the forwards has been impressive and the lack of panic and giving that extra hand pass in tight quarters has resulted in a lot more scores. We do need Conroy on the field for longer, as it is unlikely that Cillian will be starting.
Aiden O Shea had been immense and truly unselfish all year.
Mayo are a work in progress, their tackling is frienzed and unselfish, management deserve a lot of credit for this, even yesterday, Galway had more than a few turnovers inside the 30 yard line.
I also thought Mayo got more from the ref than Galway, but given how we have gotten shafted by Deegan and McQuillan in particular, I will take it.
it is very possible that we will meet again in June or July.
no way should reape have walked. ref made the right call with the yellow. it would have been a yellow out the field. a red for that would have been crazy and completely overzealous.
Lad who hasn't played much fball, that was a red.
Goalie was late and did take him out of it...literally. The lad had to go off!
Goalie was nowhere near the ball.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:46:38 PM
Lad who hasn't played much fball, that was a red.
it wasn't in a million years, pal. yellow at best. people acting like he went in studs up and broke heaneys leg or something. it was a collision that warranted little more than a yellow.
Can we draw a line under the Red/Yellow/Black Goalie incident. All the talking in the world won't change that decision. Believe me as a Mayo man we have been here ourselves and rationally thinking about it only prolongs the pain.
Mayo getting seriously over-hyped by their League run and the League final. There is a big come down only around the corner. Galway have to remember that last years Championship success was last year. Both were poor yesterday. I honestly think both teams have a lot of work to do for the summer, if they are to have a summer.
Roscommon have been seriously looked down upon by the media as if their survival in Division One was some sort of fluke. In the media this coming week it will be talk about Mayo, Roscommon will be treated as some sort of side-show. This I see as very dangerous!
Quote from: WhoDat on April 04, 2023, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:46:38 PM
Lad who hasn't played much fball, that was a red.
it wasn't in a million years, pal. yellow at best. people acting like he went in studs up and broke heaneys leg or something. it was a collision that warranted little more than a yellow.
Thanks
Kerry for Sam or what ever other alias you may be using nowdays.
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Quote from: joemamas on April 04, 2023, 01:30:57 AM
Quote from: WhoDat on April 04, 2023, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2023, 11:46:38 PM
Lad who hasn't played much fball, that was a red.
it wasn't in a million years, pal. yellow at best. people acting like he went in studs up and broke heaneys leg or something. it was a collision that warranted little more than a yellow.
Thanks Kerry for Sam or what ever other alias you may be using nowdays.
what
Thought I'll get in early with my predictions for this years Division 1 League.
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Mayo
5. Derry
6. Tyrone
7. Roscommon
8. Monaghan
I think it depends on how the first 4 rounds go but I would be surprised if both Roscommon and Monaghan went down. Neither may do so.
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2024, 01:39:56 PMI think it depends on how the first 4 rounds go but I would be surprised if both Roscommon and Monaghan went down. Neither may do so.
Beggan some loss for Monaghan. Are they losing any more lads? Think the Rossies will target the league hard and get a few of early wins and stay up. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Dubs start slowly and be in a relegation battle late on.
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2024, 01:39:56 PMI think it depends on how the first 4 rounds go but I would be surprised if both Roscommon and Monaghan went down. Neither may do so.
Monaghan will score a goal 73 minutes into the last game and will survive!
A lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 02:15:59 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 09, 2024, 01:39:56 PMI think it depends on how the first 4 rounds go but I would be surprised if both Roscommon and Monaghan went down. Neither may do so.
Beggan some loss for Monaghan. Are they losing any more lads? Think the Rossies will target the league hard and get a few of early wins and stay up. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Dubs start slowly and be in a relegation battle late on.
He'll be a loss is he expected to miss all of the league or a few games? Monaghan the great survivors and I most certainly wouldn't rule them out from staying up again. The rossies without three important players in McKeon,Ciaran Murtagh and Conor Daly all gone travelling and St Brigids reaching the final means they'll be without another 3 or 4 important players for the opening rounds they'll do well if they manage to stay up.
Hard to know with the Dublin how many of the 30 year olds will feature that much in the league? I'd expect Kerry to go stronger in the league this year and Galway with Sean Kelly,Damien Comer,Shane Walsh fit and in form could well go one better than last year and win the final.
Ros
Derry
Galway
Dublin
Tyrone
Monaghan
Mayowestros
Tyrone.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Do you not think Glass, Doherty, McFaul etc won't make them selves available for the Tyrone game? Same 3 players will prob want to play in Tralee
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Forgot about the glen players missing.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 09, 2024, 08:02:02 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Do you not think Glass, Doherty, McFaul etc won't make them selves available for the Tyrone game? Same 3 players will prob want to play in Tralee
What gap is there from their final to first league game? The Glen lads have played a serious amount of football the past few years. Few weeks break would be well deserved. You'd imagine Derry will worst case scenario be last 12 this year. That's a lot of games.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 09:36:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 09, 2024, 08:02:02 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Do you not think Glass, Doherty, McFaul etc won't make them selves available for the Tyrone game? Same 3 players will prob want to play in Tralee
What gap is there from their final to first league game? The Glen lads have played a serious amount of football the past few years. Few weeks break would be well deserved. You'd imagine Derry will worst case scenario be last 12 this year. That's a lot of games.
All Ireland senior club final on January 21st and the NFL starts the weekend after. The so called split season is a mirage for county players involved in that final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 09:46:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 09:36:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 09, 2024, 08:02:02 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Do you not think Glass, Doherty, McFaul etc won't make them selves available for the Tyrone game? Same 3 players will prob want to play in Tralee
What gap is there from their final to first league game? The Glen lads have played a serious amount of football the past few years. Few weeks break would be well deserved. You'd imagine Derry will worst case scenario be last 12 this year. That's a lot of games.
All Ireland senior club final on January 21st and the NFL starts the weekend after. The so called spilt season is a mirage for county players involved in that final.
Ideally everything would be wrapped up before Christmas. It's not perfect but i suppose it's a tiny percentage of players affected and I'm sure the same boys won't complain. Would definitely be telling them to take a few weeks off though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 09:48:43 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 09:46:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 09:36:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 09, 2024, 08:02:02 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Do you not think Glass, Doherty, McFaul etc won't make them selves available for the Tyrone game? Same 3 players will prob want to play in Tralee
What gap is there from their final to first league game? The Glen lads have played a serious amount of football the past few years. Few weeks break would be well deserved. You'd imagine Derry will worst case scenario be last 12 this year. That's a lot of games.
All Ireland senior club final on January 21st and the NFL starts the weekend after. The so called spilt season is a mirage for county players involved in that final.
Ideally everything would be wrapped up before Christmas. It's not perfect but i suppose it's a tiny percentage of players affected and I'm sure the same boys won't complain. Would definitely be telling them to take a few weeks off though.
You'd think Harte woukd say to them, take a break for a week of two and have some down time.
Lads like that could do with a small recharge I think.
Quote from: marty34 on January 09, 2024, 09:52:52 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 09:48:43 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 09, 2024, 09:46:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2024, 09:36:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 09, 2024, 08:02:02 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 07:51:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 09, 2024, 06:08:01 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Would derry not be targeting the league final or there abouts. Can see tyrone, monaghan and either mayo/Roscommon struggling. Derry or galway shouldnt be too far away from the top i would have thought.
Remember derry will likely be missing the Glen contingent for the early games.
Last years keeper is injured.
Benny heron retired and padraig cassidy has gone travelling.
We have a new management team also.
That's a fair bit to contend with so I'd consider retaining div1 status a success.
Do you not think Glass, Doherty, McFaul etc won't make them selves available for the Tyrone game? Same 3 players will prob want to play in Tralee
What gap is there from their final to first league game? The Glen lads have played a serious amount of football the past few years. Few weeks break would be well deserved. You'd imagine Derry will worst case scenario be last 12 this year. That's a lot of games.
All Ireland senior club final on January 21st and the NFL starts the weekend after. The so called spilt season is a mirage for county players involved in that final.
Ideally everything would be wrapped up before Christmas. It's not perfect but i suppose it's a tiny percentage of players affected and I'm sure the same boys won't complain. Would definitely be telling them to take a few weeks off though.
You'd think Harte woukd say to them, take a break for a week of two and have some down time.
Lads like that could do with a small recharge I think.
Absolutely. It's not as though the same boys are gonna rock up a stone overweight after a few weeks off lol. Do them the world of good. Fair chance they'll be in another semi with Derry or even a final. Longgg season.
There 2 games then a weeks break, Harte if he looking further ahead in the season shouldn't bring the Glen men back until after that break.Bringing them straight in with no break will only cause a big drop in performance or possible injury.Glass in particular has played too much fball and had dropped of what he normally produces by the time the Summer was starting.
Gallagher had Glass and Doherty starting the week after the final last year. They've been on the go 2 years solid now you'd think a few weeks break would be the way to go.
Quote from: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 08:33:16 AMGallagher had Glass and Doherty starting the week after the final last year. They've been on the go 2 years solid now you'd think a few weeks break would be the way to go.
it was a completely needless game as well that one, everyone knew they would win easy. There really was no point, just more moronic stuff from Rory Gallagher.
This game v kerry they genuinely could be doing with the Glen men. Derry will be desperate to get off to a good start in Div 1, and 4 points in the opening two games is well achieveable
I could understand the temptation, and the decision to play them
Quote from: God14 on January 10, 2024, 08:38:44 AMQuote from: square_ball on January 10, 2024, 08:33:16 AMGallagher had Glass and Doherty starting the week after the final last year. They've been on the go 2 years solid now you'd think a few weeks break would be the way to go.
it was a completely needless game as well that one, everyone knew they would win easy. There really was no point, just more moronic stuff from Rory Gallagher.
This game v kerry they genuinely could be doing with the Glen men. Derry will be desperate to get off to a good start in Div 1, and 4 points in the opening two games is well achieveable
I could understand the temptation, and the decision to play them
Harte will need to justify his cost. Doubtful he'll go into a big game without his best players.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 09, 2024, 11:42:37 PMThere 2 games then a weeks break, Harte if he looking further ahead in the season shouldn't bring the Glen men back until after that break.Brining them straight in with no break will only cause a big drop in performance or possible injury.Glass in particular has played too much fball and had dropped of what he normally produces by the time the Summer was starting.
Yep. And I think Harte will be thinking that way too. He's preparing for a championship. Will be happy to stay in div one but I can see us struggling particularly in early parts of the league.
Those Glen players all need rested.
O'Rouke gave Glass a month off after Derrys defeat in July. Didn't play a game in that period, McFaul and Doherty used sparingly in the same period
The sensible thing to do would be to manage their rest throughout the season rather than having them all missing at once. The Kerry game is very important, you don't want to be chasing your tail from the start of the league. We've spent long enough trying to get back to D1 so need to make sure we stay there. I hope to see some of the Glen players on the field in Tralee.
Quote from: Mario on January 10, 2024, 11:44:31 AMThe sensible thing to do would be to manage their rest throughout the season rather than having them all missing at once. The Kerry game is very important, you don't want to be chasing your tail from the start of the league. We've spent long enough trying to get back to D1 so need to make sure we stay there. I hope to see some of the Glen players on the field in Tralee.
Is Kerry the first game? It's probably unlikely Derry go to Tralee and beat Kerry even with a full deck. Would rather save those lads for the winnable games like Rossies, Monaghan, Tyrone.
Division 1 is going to be very tight given all 4 semifinalists since last year are in the mix while Galway, Mayo, Roscoomon and Tyrone make up the rest. There is no obvious weak link, unlike last year.
Round 7 should be gas.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2024, 02:49:34 PMQuote from: Mario on January 10, 2024, 11:44:31 AMThe sensible thing to do would be to manage their rest throughout the season rather than having them all missing at once. The Kerry game is very important, you don't want to be chasing your tail from the start of the league. We've spent long enough trying to get back to D1 so need to make sure we stay there. I hope to see some of the Glen players on the field in Tralee.
Is Kerry the first game? It's probably unlikely Derry go to Tralee and beat Kerry even with a full deck. Would rather save those lads for the winnable games like Rossies, Monaghan, Tyrone.
Armagh nearly got a result last year. Difficult but not impossible. Donegal beat Kerry in the first game last year, albeit at home.
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 05:56:17 PMDivision 1 is going to be very tight given all 4 semifinalists since last year are in the mix while Galway, Mayo, Roscoomon and Tyrone make up the rest. There is no obvious weak link, unlike last year.
Round 7 should be gas.
The Rossies and Monaghan are your obvious weak links in theory.
Monaghan don't do theory though and deserve great respect.
The Rossies done great to stay up last year but they didn't back it up in the All Ireland series as they tend to do an awful lot.
Id argue Donegal Cork Armagh and Kildare are all teams with a higher ceiling than the Rossies or Monaghan.
Not sure whys it's not happening for Kildare and Cork especially, but maybe this year could change things.
I'm sticking £200 on Roscommon winning in Omagh. I'll donate all winnings to the gaaboard bar fund.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 10, 2024, 07:33:36 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 05:56:17 PMDivision 1 is going to be very tight given all 4 semifinalists since last year are in the mix while Galway, Mayo, Roscoomon and Tyrone make up the rest. There is no obvious weak link, unlike last year.
Round 7 should be gas.
The Rossies and Monaghan are your obvious weak links in theory.
Monaghan don't do theory though and deserve great respect.
The Rossies done great to stay up last year but they didn't back it up in the All Ireland series as they tend to do an awful lot.
Id argue Donegal Cork Armagh and Kildare are all teams with a higher ceiling than the Rossies or Monaghan.
Not sure whys it's not happening for Kildare and Cork especially, but maybe this year could change things.
Monaghan are in the McKenna Cup semis. I think tyrone and Mayo may be relegation dark horses if championship is the yardstick.
Quote from: seafoid on January 11, 2024, 03:01:14 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 10, 2024, 07:33:36 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 10, 2024, 05:56:17 PMDivision 1 is going to be very tight given all 4 semifinalists since last year are in the mix while Galway, Mayo, Roscoomon and Tyrone make up the rest. There is no obvious weak link, unlike last year.
Round 7 should be gas.
The Rossies and Monaghan are your obvious weak links in theory.
Monaghan don't do theory though and deserve great respect.
The Rossies done great to stay up last year but they didn't back it up in the All Ireland series as they tend to do an awful lot.
Id argue Donegal Cork Armagh and Kildare are all teams with a higher ceiling than the Rossies or Monaghan.
Not sure whys it's not happening for Kildare and Cork especially, but maybe this year could change things.
Monaghan are in the McKenna Cup semis. I think tyrone and Mayo may be relegation dark horses if championship is the yardstick.
Your right there is always a surprise team to get relegated. Monaghan and Roscommon can beat anyone on their day in the league especially early doors. Should be interesting anyway.
Strange competition.
The main aim of all the teams is avoiding relegation.
Does anyone really want to reach the Final?
A kind of a slow bicycle race...
;D That's it in a nutshell really isn't it. Foreplay until about round 4 then teams in the shit start playing ;D
The thing with the league is if you bust a gut to win it, unless you are Kerry and Dublin who don't have to peak too soon in championship, you could fall very flat in championship. The new format also means that the most important thing is to avoid relegation as there's no guarantee of championship football down in Division 2 if you don't make your provincial final. But peak too soon in league and with the longer championship, you could be in trouble as the Summer goes on. We for example had a good league coming 3rd. Then our 1st three earlier outings in the championship were at the time 3 of the top 4 favourites, - Mayo, Galway, Dublin. We acquitted ourselves well early in the championship beating the league champions, drawing with the eventual All-Ireland champions and losing in between to Galway in Connacht final. Then we were knocked out losing to two teams Kildare and Cork we would have expected to beat. I wonder will league finalists Mayo and Galway put too much stock in the league. They ended up having disappointing championships. McStay in his 2nd year with Ros (In 1st, he and FOD made Div 1 league semi-final but horrendous championship) put much less emphasis on Div 1 and ended up winning Connacht, but demoted to Div 2. Derry up in the Div 1 for the first time in a long time are a good bet to win it. I could see the final table being something of a complete inverse of the final standings last year. I'd be hopeful we'll just about stay up but losing such important players who are taking a year out (Ciaran Murtagh, Conor Daly, Cian McKeon) and likely without Brigids lads for 1st couple of games will leave us up against it.
Derry
Dublin
Monaghan
Tyrone
Kerry
Roscommon
Galway
Mayo
I would agree putting a lot of effort into the early stages of the league in order to stay up could be a double edged sword, and especially for the counties with a smaller pick due to population ie Mon, Ros and Derry.
This is not to have a go at anyone here but Roscommon always seem to ether peak early in the league and poor championship or struggle in league and have a good championship.
Derry really haven't had to peak too early in a while being in lower leagues so they should be interesting.
Monaghan and Tyrone always seem to time it right and Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Kerry always seem to have enough strength that it doesn't matter as much for them.
Quote from: weareros on January 11, 2024, 01:43:40 PMThe thing with the league is if you bust a gut to win it, unless you are Kerry and Dublin who don't have to peak too soon in championship, you could fall very flat in championship. The new format also means that the most important thing is to avoid relegation as there's no guarantee of championship football down in Division 2 if you don't make your provincial final. But peak too soon in league and with the longer championship, you could be in trouble as the Summer goes on. We for example had a good league coming 3rd. Then our 1st three earlier outings in the championship were at the time 3 of the top 4 favourites, - Mayo, Galway, Dublin. We acquitted ourselves well early in the championship beating the league champions, drawing with the eventual All-Ireland champions and losing in between to Galway in Connacht final. Then we were knocked out losing to two teams Kildare and Cork we would have expected to beat. I wonder will league finalists Mayo and Galway put too much stock in the league. They ended up having disappointing championships. McStay in his 2nd year with Ros (In 1st, he and FOD made Div 1 league semi-final but horrendous championship) put much less emphasis on Div 1 and ended up winning Connacht, but demoted to Div 2. Derry up in the Div 1 for the first time in a long time are a good bet to win it. I could see the final table being something of a complete inverse of the final standings last year. I'd be hopeful we'll just about stay up but losing such important players who are taking a year out (Ciaran Murtagh, Conor Daly, Cian McKeon) and likely without Brigids lads for 1st couple of games will leave us up against it.
Derry
Dublin
Monaghan
Tyrone
Kerry
Roscommon
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan will no doubt finish 6th from a last minute winner in round 7 you have them awful high lol
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 03:05:07 PMThis is not to have a go at anyone here but Roscommon always seem to ether peak early in the league and poor championship or struggle in league and have a good championship.
Derry really haven't had to peak too early in a while being in lower leagues so they should be interesting.
Monaghan and Tyrone always seem to time it right and Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Kerry always seem to have enough strength that it doesn't matter as much for them.
It's not all that long from Tyrone, Mayo, Galway and Dublin all had a year in division 2.
Did Mayo have? I didn't realise that. Tbh I would near have seen the others as blips with new managers etc.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2024, 03:08:42 PMDid Mayo have? I didn't realise that. Tbh I would near have seen the others as blips with new managers etc.
They went down with their strong side and think got to an all ireland final out of division 2, not sure of the year. Could have been 2020.
Jaysus forgot all about that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 03:05:43 PMQuote from: weareros on January 11, 2024, 01:43:40 PMDerry
Dublin
Monaghan
Tyrone
Kerry
Roscommon
Galway
Mayo
Monaghan will no doubt finish 6th from a last minute winner in round 7 you have them awful high lol
I do. I just sort of flipped last year's standings/rankings to engineer our neighbours getting demoted and have us scrape survival.
I don't know where the optimism is coming from that Monaghan will finally put 'the not being relegated' jinx to the sword. We are cursed with eternal div 1 status. Please let us be relegated this year and break this awful curse.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
O'Shea and Cliffords all played against Tyrone in the league last year
Last year in Division 2:
Dublin - 2023
Derry - 2023
Roscommon - 2022
Galway - 2022
Mayo - 2021
Tyrone - 2016
Monaghan - 2014
Kerry - 2002
Quote from: Rossfan on January 11, 2024, 10:40:24 AMStrange competition.
The main aim of all the teams is avoiding relegation.
Does anyone really want to reach the Final?
A kind of a slow bicycle race...
MGHU won it last year and what good did it do them ?
Maybe a bit of silverware might appeal to Galway or Ros but in the big picture peaking for April is not advisable.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:09:57 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
O'Shea and Cliffords all played against Tyrone in the league last year
Fossa won their All-Ireland on Jan 15th and Kerry's first league game was two weeks later and Clifford's did not play. Tyrone game was March. This year the club All-Ireland is one week before league starts so you'd imagine Derry and Ros will give those players some break. Knowing some of those players, they will still be eager to play. Right thing would be to give them a break.
Just came in here to get away from the crazy Armagh c***ts on the McKenna cup thread.
Quote from: trailer on January 12, 2024, 02:05:27 PMJust came in here to get away from the crazy Armagh c***ts on the McKenna cup thread.
;D ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Quote from: larryin89 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:05 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Always been the way. Sure Colm O'Rourke tipped Galway the day we beat them by 90 points (or something like that), when Andy Moran came off the bench after his cruciate to get the 4th goal.
Quote from: Tubberman on January 12, 2024, 04:26:53 PMQuote from: larryin89 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:05 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Always been the way. Sure Colm O'Rourke tipped Galway the day we beat them by 90 points (or something like that), when Andy Moran came off the bench after his cruciate to get the 4th goal.
When you have 9 All Irelands to 3 that tends to be the way I'm guessing.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 04:48:49 PMQuote from: Tubberman on January 12, 2024, 04:26:53 PMQuote from: larryin89 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:05 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Always been the way. Sure Colm O'Rourke tipped Galway the day we beat them by 90 points (or something like that), when Andy Moran came off the bench after his cruciate to get the 4th goal.
When you have 9 All Irelands to 3 that tends to be the way I'm guessing.
Colm's not the brightest when it comes to numbers, the Celtic Tiger proved that.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:05 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Getting humiliated by about 35 points by Dublin a week later probably knocked ye back down a bit.
But sure if you're that confident that yer better than a non injury ridden Galway side then there's 7/4 available on Mayo winning Connacht Larry. You could keep yourself in cans of Bulmers for the summer, maybe even a fresh pair of bootcut denim
You'll be outsiders in Salthill in 3 weeks also. Maybe a chance to top up the Nokia for a few months there $€£
Mayo get on their high horse very quick but let's not forget Galway are operating off half a county.
A near 50 50 split between hurling and football and a strong rugby and soccer presence
Meanwhile Mayo have football only to concentrate on and getting the turf home by mid July.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 09:26:56 PMMayo get on their high horse very quick but let's not forget Galway are operating off half a county.
A near 50 50 split between hurling and football and a strong rugby and soccer presence
Meanwhile Mayo have football only to concentrate on and getting the turf home by mid July.
Galway's population is 277,737.
Mayo's Population is 137,970.
So going on about advantages starts primarily there.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 12, 2024, 11:35:59 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 09:26:56 PMMayo get on their high horse very quick but let's not forget Galway are operating off half a county.
A near 50 50 split between hurling and football and a strong rugby and soccer presence
Meanwhile Mayo have football only to concentrate on and getting the turf home by mid July.
Galway's population is 277,737.
Mayo's Population is 137,970.
So going on about advantages starts primarily there.
There's more registered footballers in Mayo by a decent distance so that puts the population nonsense on its arse from the beginning.
There's technically the same amount of football clubs but a good portion of those token tag-ons to hurling clubs.
Sure don't half of Mayo people live in Galway in anycase?
Despite this the respective Gaelic football history of each county is fairly stark in its difference
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 12, 2024, 11:35:59 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 09:26:56 PMMayo get on their high horse very quick but let's not forget Galway are operating off half a county.
A near 50 50 split between hurling and football and a strong rugby and soccer presence
Meanwhile Mayo have football only to concentrate on and getting the turf home by mid July.
Galway's population is 277,737.
Mayo's Population is 137,970.
So going on about advantages starts primarily there.
Quote from: Manning18 on January 13, 2024, 12:12:46 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 12, 2024, 11:35:59 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 09:26:56 PMMayo get on their high horse very quick but let's not forget Galway are operating off half a county.
A near 50 50 split between hurling and football and a strong rugby and soccer presence
Meanwhile Mayo have football only to concentrate on and getting the turf home by mid July.
Galway's population is 277,737.
Mayo's Population is 137,970.
So going on about advantages starts primarily there.
There's more registered footballers in Mayo by a decent distance so that puts the population nonsense on its arse from the beginning.
There's technically the same amount of football clubs but a good portion of those token tag-ons to hurling clubs.
Sure don't half of Mayo people live in Galway in anycase?
Despite this the respective Gaelic football history of each county is fairly stark in its difference
Both counties are as flaky as f+++! Both always think they are better than they really are.
That said it was nice to put Galway on their Arse twice last year. As for injuries, I thought only Mayo people use lame excuses like that when they lose.
at Christmas 1952
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 04:48:49 PMQuote from: Tubberman on January 12, 2024, 04:26:53 PMQuote from: larryin89 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:05 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Always been the way. Sure Colm O'Rourke tipped Galway the day we beat them by 90 points (or something like that), when Andy Moran came off the bench after his cruciate to get the 4th goal.
When you have 9 All Irelands to 3 that tends to be the way I'm guessing.
[/quote1 Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 12, 2024, 04:48:49 PMQuote from: Tubberman on January 12, 2024, 04:26:53 PMQuote from: larryin89 on January 12, 2024, 03:44:05 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 09, 2024, 05:34:43 PMA lot will depend on the approach Kerry take to the league or what players available.
I think last year the cliffords and Sean O'Shea were missing in the early parts of the league.
Tyrone even beat them! ;)
For Derry, if we can retain Div1 status that will be a win.
We'll need some early wins as teams will get stronger as the league goes on (but then everyone will be targeting early wins so there's nothing insightful there).
For what it's worth, I'd currently rate the teams in this order but you can never rule Tyrone/Monaghan out and Derry could also really struggle with tough games early in the year, though hopefully not:
1. Kerry
2. Dublin
3. Galway
4. Derry
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
Poor aul Mayo , even when we go to their backyard and knock them out of the championship , beat them in a league final in croke park and were still considered inferior to the aristocrats/fancy dans
Always been the way. Sure Colm O'Rourke tipped Galway the day we beat them by 90 points (or something like that), when Andy Moran came off the bench after his cruciate to get the 4th goal.
When you have 9 All Irelands to 3 that tends to be the way I'm guessing.
At Christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had 3 all Irelands each.
When do tickets normally go on sale?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:29:57 AMLast year in Division 2:
Dublin - 2023
Derry - 2023
Roscommon - 2022
Galway - 2022
Mayo - 2021
Tyrone - 2016
Monaghan - 2014
Kerry - 2002
Jesus, Monaghan are under-appreciated.
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 09:48:27 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:29:57 AMLast year in Division 2:
Dublin - 2023
Derry - 2023
Roscommon - 2022
Galway - 2022
Mayo - 2021
Tyrone - 2016
Monaghan - 2014
Kerry - 2002
Jesus, Monaghan are under-appreciated.
Doing seriously well for such a small county. They're a running joke (don't mean in a negative way) now as the Houdini team winning on the last day to stay up.
'At christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had three all irelands "
Id actually dispute that and the farcical championship of 1925 . Mayo were declared all ireland champions after beating wexford in semi final with cavan and kerry been turfed out for fielding illegal players at the time in the other semi final . Galway subsequently played Mayo in a cònnacht final in 1926 and won as there was no conncaht championship played in 25 for reasons i am unaware of , Mayo were nominated to represent connacht that year and rightfully won the all Ireland , how anyone can strip Mayo of the 1925 all ireland when they were the only county to compete within the rules of said year and won their all ireland series match , were declared champions at the time . Absolute skullduggery of the highest order to strip Mayo of that all ireland victory .
This is where the riding of Mayo started and i say this with a straight face ,we were also robbed of the chancce of a replay in 1948 all Ireland , when the worst decision ever made in a final was made , Mayo were awarded a free kick on the 14 to tap over the bar but bizzarely the referee blew for full time not allowing the kick to be taken even though he awarded the free and cavan take sam . This treatment by HQ has continued right into the modern era ,one day the truth will be known on cormac reillys cheating in limerick in 2014 , a venue our CB should of refused to travel to in the first place .
To address mr Manning and his disingenuous sniping about bulmers and boot cut jeans , kiss my mayo hole , we beat ye again when it counted sin e . Maybe you will get the upper hand this year , tbh i think we are a year or two away yet from reaching that elite group of competing at the latter stages but the pressure on PJ must be huge with the lolly alone thats been thrown at Galway football .
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2024, 11:17:02 AM'At christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had three all irelands "
Id actually dispute that and the farcical championship of 1925 . Mayo were declared all ireland champions after beating wexford in semi final with cavan and kerry been turfed out for fielding illegal players at the time in the other semi final . Galway subsequently played Mayo in a cònnacht final in 1926 and won as there was no conncaht championship played in 25 for reasons i am unaware of , Mayo were nominated to represent connacht that year and rightfully won the all Ireland , how anyone can strip Mayo of the 1925 all ireland when they were the only county to compete within the rules of said year and won their all ireland series match , were declared champions at the time . Absolute skullduggery of the highest order to strip Mayo of that all ireland victory .
This is where the riding of Mayo started and i say this with a straight face ,we were also robbed of the chancce of a replay in 1948 all Ireland , when the worst decision ever made in a final was made , Mayo were awarded a free kick on the 14 to tap over the bar but bizzarely the referee blew for full time not allowing the kick to be taken even though he awarded the free and cavan take sam . This treatment by HQ has continued right into the modern era ,one day the truth will be known on cormac reillys cheating in limerick in 2014 , a venue our CB should of refused to travel to in the first place .
To address mr Manning and his disingenuous sniping about bulmers and boot cut jeans , kiss my mayo hole , we beat ye again when it counted sin e . Maybe you will get the upper hand this year , tbh i think we are a year or two away yet from reaching that elite group of competing at the latter stages but the pressure on PJ must be huge with the lolly alone thats been thrown at Galway football .
Can I nominate this for post of the year.
Roscommon and Sligo had a 4 or 5 game *marathon in Connacht in 1925,draws, replays, objections, replays and so on so the whole thing was held up allowing Galway a false AI at the expense of Mayowestros.
*It was all spelled out in a CF programme years ago.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2024, 11:17:02 AM'At christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had three all irelands "
Id actually dispute that and the farcical championship of 1925 . Mayo were declared all ireland champions after beating wexford in semi final with cavan and kerry been turfed out for fielding illegal players at the time in the other semi final . Galway subsequently played Mayo in a cònnacht final in 1926 and won as there was no conncaht championship played in 25 for reasons i am unaware of , Mayo were nominated to represent connacht that year and rightfully won the all Ireland , how anyone can strip Mayo of the 1925 all ireland when they were the only county to compete within the rules of said year and won their all ireland series match , were declared champions at the time . Absolute skullduggery of the highest order to strip Mayo of that all ireland victory .
This is where the riding of Mayo started and i say this with a straight face ,we were also robbed of the chancce of a replay in 1948 all Ireland , when the worst decision ever made in a final was made , Mayo were awarded a free kick on the 14 to tap over the bar but bizzarely the referee blew for full time not allowing the kick to be taken even though he awarded the free and cavan take sam . This treatment by HQ has continued right into the modern era ,one day the truth will be known on cormac reillys cheating in limerick in 2014 , a venue our CB should of refused to travel to in the first place .
To address mr Manning and his disingenuous sniping about bulmers and boot cut jeans , kiss my mayo hole , we beat ye again when it counted sin e . Maybe you will get the upper hand this year , tbh i think we are a year or two away yet from reaching that elite group of competing at the latter stages but the pressure on PJ must be huge with the lolly alone thats been thrown at Galway football .
Ah amazing 😂
Larry, your local piss stained bar stool merchant has uncovered a conspiracy at the top of the GAA.
Mayo, a county famous for leaving everyone else alone and never once stealing a bit of land has been absolutely SHAFTED since 1925. Who can forget that disgraceful referee performance in 1948? Il never forget it. Mayo hadn't a TV in the county until 1984 yet it's still picture clear in everyone's minds
How dare Kerry win a game in 2014 by a full 3 points, in a venue James Horan himself proposed more than once
The conspiracy started in 1924 when Patrick Breen of Wexford took the presidency of the GAA. How many All Ireland's have Wexford? 4
Who's been trying to catch Wexford's All Ireland total for the last 150 years? MAYO (3).
Sin E
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2024, 11:17:02 AM'At christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had three all irelands "
Id actually dispute that and the farcical championship of 1925 . Mayo were declared all ireland champions after beating wexford in semi final with cavan and kerry been turfed out for fielding illegal players at the time in the other semi final . Galway subsequently played Mayo in a cònnacht final in 1926 and won as there was no conncaht championship played in 25 for reasons i am unaware of , Mayo were nominated to represent connacht that year and rightfully won the all Ireland , how anyone can strip Mayo of the 1925 all ireland when they were the only county to compete within the rules of said year and won their all ireland series match , were declared champions at the time . Absolute skullduggery of the highest order to strip Mayo of that all ireland victory .
This is where the riding of Mayo started and i say this with a straight face ,we were also robbed of the chancce of a replay in 1948 all Ireland , when the worst decision ever made in a final was made , Mayo were awarded a free kick on the 14 to tap over the bar but bizzarely the referee blew for full time not allowing the kick to be taken even though he awarded the free and cavan take sam . This treatment by HQ has continued right into the modern era ,one day the truth will be known on cormac reillys cheating in limerick in 2014 , a venue our CB should of refused to travel to in the first place .
To address mr Manning and his disingenuous sniping about bulmers and boot cut jeans , kiss my mayo hole , we beat ye again when it counted sin e . Maybe you will get the upper hand this year , tbh i think we are a year or two away yet from reaching that elite group of competing at the latter stages but the pressure on PJ must be huge with the lolly alone thats been thrown at Galway football .
Good god almighty - Tin foil hat stuff.
I used to care about stuff like this until i had children. The only AI that matters is the next one. The rest are in the past and their glories are there too. Nice to look back at, but living off past glories is dangerous.
For a local piss stained bar stool merchant ,you seem to concern yourself with my comments a lot . Not very nice to throw out personal insults like that now tbh . Mrs larryin had to console me after i read your reply and my mary is going to give you an earful if she finds you in salthil sunday week .
Quote from: Manning18 on January 14, 2024, 07:44:47 PMQuote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2024, 11:17:02 AM'At christmas 1951 Galway and Mayo had three all irelands "
Id actually dispute that and the farcical championship of 1925 . Mayo were declared all ireland champions after beating wexford in semi final with cavan and kerry been turfed out for fielding illegal players at the time in the other semi final . Galway subsequently played Mayo in a cònnacht final in 1926 and won as there was no conncaht championship played in 25 for reasons i am unaware of , Mayo were nominated to represent connacht that year and rightfully won the all Ireland , how anyone can strip Mayo of the 1925 all ireland when they were the only county to compete within the rules of said year and won their all ireland series match , were declared champions at the time . Absolute skullduggery of the highest order to strip Mayo of that all ireland victory .
This is where the riding of Mayo started and i say this with a straight face ,we were also robbed of the chancce of a replay in 1948 all Ireland , when the worst decision ever made in a final was made , Mayo were awarded a free kick on the 14 to tap over the bar but bizzarely the referee blew for full time not allowing the kick to be taken even though he awarded the free and cavan take sam . This treatment by HQ has continued right into the modern era ,one day the truth will be known on cormac reillys cheating in limerick in 2014 , a venue our CB should of refused to travel to in the first place .
To address mr Manning and his disingenuous sniping about bulmers and boot cut jeans , kiss my mayo hole , we beat ye again when it counted sin e . Maybe you will get the upper hand this year , tbh i think we are a year or two away yet from reaching that elite group of competing at the latter stages but the pressure on PJ must be huge with the lolly alone thats been thrown at Galway football .
Ah amazing 😂
Larry, your local piss stained bar stool merchant has uncovered a conspiracy at the top of the GAA.
Mayo, a county famous for leaving everyone else alone and never once stealing a bit of land has been absolutely SHAFTED since 1925. Who can forget that disgraceful referee performance in 1948? Il never forget it. Mayo hadn't a TV in the county until 1984 yet it's still picture clear in everyone's minds
How dare Kerry win a game in 2014 by a full 3 points, in a venue James Horan himself proposed more than once
The conspiracy started in 1924 when Patrick Breen of Wexford took the presidency of the GAA. How many All Ireland's have Wexford? 4
Who's been trying to catch Wexford's All Ireland total for the last 150 years? MAYO (3).
Sin E
Getting back to the actual football , listening to boyler and co on mayo news podcast they were very impressed with the shape rossies were in v london , seems they have a few big units added to the panel too , 25/1 to win the league , might be the best value .
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 09:48:27 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:29:57 AMLast year in Division 2:
Dublin - 2023
Derry - 2023
Roscommon - 2022
Galway - 2022
Mayo - 2021
Tyrone - 2016
Monaghan - 2014
Kerry - 2002
Jesus, Monaghan are under-appreciated.
Monaghan horsed Galway out of Division 1 on 2021 , the hoors.
Actually think Tyrone could very easily go down this year. I think monaghan are certs without beggar and then either Tyrone or Roscommon. First game is crucial
beggar!!!@
Tyrone lads, what's Kelly's Inn Garvaghy like?
Considering spending the night of the League game somewhere among ye?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 08:07:08 PMTyrone lads, what's Kelly's Inn Garvaghy like?
Considering spending the night of the League game somewhere among ye?
Can't tell you much about the actual place, apart from that it's in the middle of nowhere. Halfway from everywhere in Tyrone, making it handy for nowhere.
It's a grand spot. Simple, clean. Food relatively good, as long as you're not looking for fine dining. But fair few mile out of town if you were looking a few pints. Silver birch is beside the pitch and a short dander into town. Usually a few about it before and after the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 14, 2024, 09:42:35 PMI used to care about stuff like this until i had children. The only AI that matters is the next one. The rest are in the past and their glories are there too. Nice to look back at, but living off past glories is dangerous.
I hear ya. Having kids definitely puts a different perspective on things.
Can't feck off every single weekend to a multitude of club and county football matches anymore either now.
Have to pick and choose a bit :-)
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 15, 2024, 11:09:58 PMIt's a grand spot. Simple, clean. Food relatively good, as long as you're not looking for fine dining. But fair few mile out of town if you were looking a few pints. Silver birch is beside the pitch and a short dander into town. Usually a few about it before and after the game.
Is there no bar in it?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2024, 09:51:44 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 15, 2024, 11:09:58 PMIt's a grand spot. Simple, clean. Food relatively good, as long as you're not looking for fine dining. But fair few mile out of town if you were looking a few pints. Silver birch is beside the pitch and a short dander into town. Usually a few about it before and after the game.
Is there no bar in it?
There is but wouldn't do a big trade afaik. Haven't been it in for a pint in years.
TG4 live matches
Round 1
Dublin v Monaghan
Galway v Mayo
Tyrone v Roscommon
Round 2
Derry v Tyrone
Round 3
Tyrone v Galway
Round 4
Kerry v Dublin
Round 5
Mayo v Roscommon
Kerry v Tyrone
Round 6
Tyrone v Monaghan
Mayo v Derry
Round 7 TBC
Re hotels -is all of the Tyrone a country and western zone or are there pockets of other music?
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2024, 06:20:35 PMRe hotels -is all of the Tyrone a country and western zone or are there pockets of other music?
Like what????
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2024, 06:24:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 17, 2024, 06:20:35 PMRe hotels -is all of the Tyrone a country and western zone or are there pockets of other music?
Like what????
Surely there is some rockabilly somewhere?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2024, 06:24:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 17, 2024, 06:20:35 PMRe hotels -is all of the Tyrone a country and western zone or are there pockets of other music?
Like what????
trad, pop, house, anything else
Quote from: seafoid on January 17, 2024, 06:34:50 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2024, 06:24:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 17, 2024, 06:20:35 PMRe hotels -is all of the Tyrone a country and western zone or are there pockets of other music?
Like what????
trad, pop, house, anything else
Get the brown boots on ye boy
Quote from: larryin89 on January 15, 2024, 08:54:40 AMFor a local piss stained bar stool merchant ,you seem to concern yourself with my comments a lot . Not very nice to throw out personal insults like that now tbh . Mrs larryin had to console me after i read your reply and my mary is going to give you an earful if she finds you in salthil sunday week .
Ah Lar. When you've set down the tin foil hat for a sec you must surely realise that repeated unprompted pops at your richer, better looking and more storied neighbour is going to elicit the odd response in return?
Btw, "Kiss my mayo hole" might be satisfying to blurt out in the immediate term but is a little more of a self-own than you realise. You don't tend to hear "kiss my Somalian hole" or "kiss my Iraqi hole". Il leave that one for you to ponder
Quote from: Manning18 on January 20, 2024, 07:00:30 AMQuote from: larryin89 on January 15, 2024, 08:54:40 AMFor a local piss stained bar stool merchant ,you seem to concern yourself with my comments a lot . Not very nice to throw out personal insults like that now tbh . Mrs larryin had to console me after i read your reply and my mary is going to give you an earful if she finds you in salthil sunday week .
Ah Lar. When you've set down the tin foil hat for a sec you must surely realise that repeated unprompted pops at your richer, better looking and more storied neighbour is going to elicit the odd response in return?
Btw, "Kiss my mayo hole" might be satisfying to blurt out in the immediate term but is a little more of a self-own than you realise. You don't tend to hear "kiss my Somalian hole" or "kiss my Iraqi hole". Il leave that one for you to ponder
Boring me now
@Milltown Row2 might be getting a call to fill in?
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GAA chiefs are facing a serious referees' issue ahead of the opening round of the Allianz Football League after record levels of fitness test failure by the country's top match officials.
Only 19 of the 42 inter-county referees succeeded in meeting tough new pre-season fitness levels in tests conducted on Friday at Abbotstown. It leaves Croke Park with an insufficient number of certified officials for the opening weekend of 16 National League football games in a weeks' time. Strictly speaking, each venue must have a standby referee, which would require 32 officials for the opening round of League games
Odds for this weekend matches
Kerry 4/9 Derry 9/4 draw 15/2
Dublin 1/4 Monaghan 7/2 draw 9/1
Galway 4/5 Mayo 11/8 draw 13/2
Tyrone 1/2 Roscommon 2/1 draw 15/2
Rossies won't stay at that price for long!!
Emmett Bradley coming out of County retirement according to the Gaelic Life, great news for Derry
He just took a year out, he never retired.
Quote from: smort on January 22, 2024, 05:52:21 PMRossies won't stay at that price for long!!
Derry Roscommon Double, 8/1
Ros will be without Enda Smith (suspended from Cork red last Summer), the Brigids lads notably Stack and Ben O'Carroll, and course the lads who opted out: Ciaran Murtagh, Conor Daly, Cian McKeown. 8 who played in the victory over Tyrone last January will not be available on Sunday.
And will only have 24 players available* for next Sunday assuming the Brids lads will be taking a well earned break.
* Cathal Heneghan injured again and Enda suspended.
Quote from: God14 on January 22, 2024, 09:11:11 PMQuote from: smort on January 22, 2024, 05:52:21 PMRossies won't stay at that price for long!!
Derry Roscommon Double, 8/1
Clifford's both confirmed as out also!
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 09:52:58 PMAnd will only have 24 players available* for next Sunday assuming the Brids lads will be taking a well earned break.
* Cathal Heneghan injured again and Enda suspended.
Surely there's an extended panel of a whole lot more than that?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 22, 2024, 10:17:23 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 09:52:58 PMAnd will only have 24 players available* for next Sunday assuming the Brids lads will be taking a well earned break.
* Cathal Heneghan injured again and Enda suspended.
Surely there's an extended panel of a whole lot more than that?
36 on their panel so must be 12 missing. Bookies normally do their homework before setting odds.
Missing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:05 PMMissing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Didn't you hammer Galway without them all missing? Few of the St Brigid boys could be available too. Should be an away win against a struggling Tyrone missing even more players.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 15, 2024, 08:07:08 PMTyrone lads, what's Kelly's Inn Garvaghy like?
Considering spending the night of the League game somewhere among ye?
I was in it last year (my wife's a local).
Not a bad spot and if you hit lucky and there's a crowd in there you'll be made welcome. They love their football around there.
Quote from: weareros on January 22, 2024, 09:32:14 PMRos will be without Enda Smith (suspended from Cork red last Summer), the Brigids lads notably Stack and Ben O'Carroll, and course the lads who opted out: Ciaran Murtagh, Conor Daly, Cian McKeown. 8 who played in the victory over Tyrone last January will not be available on Sunday.
How come Enda Smith is suspended for the league? I thought it was only for the competition that you were sent of in? Big loss for Roscommon that one.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 23, 2024, 07:40:59 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:05 PMMissing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Didn't you hammer Galway without them all missing? Few of the St Brigid boys could be available too. Should be an away win against a struggling Tyrone missing even more players.
That was a Galway C squad of triallists. Doubtful of 5 of the 28 will even make the League panel.
Enda is suspended...probably to do with AI groups and NFL being run by CC?
1. Kerry
2. Derry
3. Galway
4. Dublin
5. Mayo
6. Roscommon
7. Tyrone
8. Monaghan
It looks like Monaghan are in pole position to be finally rid of their first division survivalist jinx which has plagued the county for nigh on a decade.
Though no kudos for predicting relegation this year as that would be just a bit better than a stopped clock at telling time.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 23, 2024, 07:40:59 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:05 PMMissing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Didn't you hammer Galway without them all missing? Few of the St Brigid boys could be available too. Should be an away win against a struggling Tyrone missing even more players.
It was a development Galway team. First choice Galway 26 was off playing outdoor challenges as Joyce and his management didn't see air dome games as decent prep for the league.
Enda Smith said after the match on TG4 last Friday that he didn't expect Brigids players to return until round 3. A lot of the list Rossfan posted would be first choice Roscommon players and they already have to deal without Conor Daly, Ciaran Murtagh,Cian McKeon gone traveling all three was championship starters last summer.
Can you list who Tyrone are missing? I would expect this to be the year that a lot of Tyrones 2022 U20 All-Ireland winners to become established seniors.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 23, 2024, 01:44:08 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 23, 2024, 07:40:59 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:05 PMMissing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Didn't you hammer Galway without them all missing? Few of the St Brigid boys could be available too. Should be an away win against a struggling Tyrone missing even more players.
It was a development Galway team. First choice Galway 26 was off playing outdoor challenges as Joyce and his management didn't see air dome games as decent prep for the league.
Enda Smith said after the match on TG4 last Friday that he didn't expect Brigids players to return until round 3. A lot of the list Rossfan posted would be first choice Roscommon players and they already have to deal without Conor Daly, Ciaran Murtagh,Cian McKeon gone traveling all three was championship starters last summer.
Can you list who Tyrone are missing? I would expect this to be the year that a lot of Tyrones 2022 U20 All-Ireland winners to become established seniors.
Didn't know those 2 had gone travelling, big losses. Is Harney back in?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 23, 2024, 01:44:08 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 23, 2024, 07:40:59 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:05 PMMissing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Didn't you hammer Galway without them all missing? Few of the St Brigid boys could be available too. Should be an away win against a struggling Tyrone missing even more players.
It was a development Galway team. First choice Galway 26 was off playing outdoor challenges as Joyce and his management didn't see air dome games as decent prep for the league.
Enda Smith said after the match on TG4 last Friday that he didn't expect Brigids players to return until round 3. A lot of the list Rossfan posted would be first choice Roscommon players and they already have to deal without Conor Daly, Ciaran Murtagh,Cian McKeon gone traveling all three was championship starters last summer.
Can you list who Tyrone are missing? I would expect this to be the year that a lot of Tyrones 2022 U20 All-Ireland winners to become established seniors.
Difficult to articulate who all is missing for Tyrone as management point blank refuse to answer any questions in relation to this
However the following are definitely confirmed out: McCurry, McGeary, Meyler, McShane, Mattie Donnelly.
The following havnt played any games yet, presumed injured: Burns, Oguz, McGleenan & M O'Neill
3 Retiree's from last season also, McNamee, Richie Donnelly & Sludden
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QuoteDidn't know those 2 had gone travelling, big losses. Is Harney back in?
Among their two best forwards big losses indeed. Harney returned and is nursing an injury.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 23, 2024, 01:44:08 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 23, 2024, 07:40:59 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 11:10:05 PMMissing
Enda, R Daly Ultan, Hussey, Heneghan, O'Rourke, B Stack Fallon, Dolan, O'Carroll, Cunnane, Nolan(?)
Didn't you hammer Galway without them all missing? Few of the St Brigid boys could be available too. Should be an away win against a struggling Tyrone missing even more players.
It was a development Galway team. First choice Galway 26 was off playing outdoor challenges as Joyce and his management didn't see air dome games as decent prep for the league.
Enda Smith said after the match on TG4 last Friday that he didn't expect Brigids players to return until round 3. A lot of the list Rossfan posted would be first choice Roscommon players and they already have to deal without Conor Daly, Ciaran Murtagh,Cian McKeon gone traveling all three was championship starters last summer.
Can you list who Tyrone are missing? I would expect this to be the year that a lot of Tyrones 2022 U20 All-Ireland winners to become established seniors.
Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary, Mattie Donnelly, Frank Burns (might make it), Cathal McShane, Michael O'Neill, Michael McGleenan. On top of the three recent retirements of Ronan McNammee, Niall Sludden and Richard Donnelly.
Doesn't sound like Galway have a clean bill of health either with Silke & McDaid out with broken feet and Sean Kelly still out too. Plenty of rumours about Glynn & Tierney too but we'll know come the weekend and neither Hernon or Cooke will be around this year either.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 23, 2024, 02:17:33 PMDoesn't sound like Galway have a clean bill of health either with Silke & McDaid out with broken feet and Sean Kelly still out too. Plenty of rumours about Glynn & Tierney too but we'll know come the weekend and neither Hernon or Cooke will be around this year either.
O Maolchiarain was the FB before Kelly.- has he recovered from his injury yet?
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Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2024, 03:05:30 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on January 23, 2024, 02:17:33 PMDoesn't sound like Galway have a clean bill of health either with Silke & McDaid out with broken feet and Sean Kelly still out too. Plenty of rumours about Glynn & Tierney too but we'll know come the weekend and neither Hernon or Cooke will be around this year either.
O Maolchiarain was the FB before Kelly.- has he recovered from his injury yet?
He played in the club championship this year anyway, though I didn't see any of Oileáin Arann's games.
To be fair he is totally unproven at this level. Both of the seasons he played were straight knockout due to CovId, so he hasn't played much county senior football at all.
Conor McManus
"The hip injury I have, it just won't allow me to go much further," McManus said, in conversation with Thomas Niblock and Oisin McConville on the BBC's GAA Social podcast. "This will be my 18th year with Monaghan. I'm 36 now. It's nearly half your life.
"I imagine this year will be my last. I'm not putting any definitive decision out. I'm not going into the year saying that.
"We'll take it as it comes but it's hard to see how it could stretch to 19 years."
Three-time All-Star McManus charted the difficulties of training and the lengths he has been going to - including using painkillers prior to training and games - in order to keep turning out for his county.
The inside forward noted his frustration at not being able to train at full capacity, with his sessions often limited to bike work inside the gym.
"I have Vinny Corey there who probably knows my body as well as I do at this stage and the physio team," the Clontibret club man said. "To be fair to them, they are brilliant at managing your load.
"It allows you to be still there. It's not ideal. It's not how I particularly like to do it.
"The enjoyment in inter-county football is being on the field and training."
On a possible surgery to replace his arthritic hip which has "no cartilage between the ball and socket", McManus added: "When you run, twist or turn, the two bones are banging together.
"Probably sooner rather than later, (a hip replacement). If I wasn't going back to play football this year, you'd probably be looking at it."
That's a real shame. Been one of the best forwards in the country for years now and an absolute joy to watch although he's caused us one too many headaches over the years!
It's a pity he never graced Croke Park in an all Ireland final and never made it up the steps of the Hogan.
An absolute legend of the game.
Will be interesting to see if Glen players play. Mickey Harte has no experience of managing that situation given that Tyrone have won no senior club All Ireland's. I wonder does that mean Derry are the more successful footballing county now? 4 club All Ireland's and 1 county versus Tyrone's 4 county All Irelands. After all you people always say that club is more important.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on January 24, 2024, 03:33:20 PMWill be interesting to see if Glen players play. Mickey Harte has no experience of managing that situation given that Tyrone have won no senior club All Ireland's. I wonder does that mean Derry are the more successful footballing county now? 4 club All Ireland's and 1 county versus Tyrone's 4 county All Irelands. After all you people always say that club is more important.
Mickey Harte has always struck me as being a my way or the highway type of manager. A League match in Kerry will be long forgotten before the end of the season. Those Glen players would be much better served by taking a couple of weeks off from football and coming back for round 3 of the League. They aren't machines and no point having players running on empty come June time which is when their season will be defined.
O'Rourke insisted those players take a break before commencing the club season. For example Glass had over a month off. Practically the month of August - he didnt train at all. These lads dont drink the way the previous generation would have, they will be rearing to go
The fact its a Saturday game complicates it a little, Derry will be travelling down on Friday. Had it been a home game on the Sunday, you could be sure they would be available
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on January 24, 2024, 03:33:20 PMWill be interesting to see if Glen players play. Mickey Harte has no experience of managing that situation given that Tyrone have won no senior club All Ireland's. I wonder does that mean Derry are the more successful footballing county now? 4 club All Ireland's and 1 county versus Tyrone's 4 county All Irelands. After all you people always say that club is more important.
Yes let's run with that, Armagh better than both with 7 All Irelands.
Going by social media the Glen lads are still on the piss so not a hope of them going to Kerry to play
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 24, 2024, 04:57:31 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on January 24, 2024, 03:33:20 PMWill be interesting to see if Glen players play. Mickey Harte has no experience of managing that situation given that Tyrone have won no senior club All Ireland's. I wonder does that mean Derry are the more successful footballing county now? 4 club All Ireland's and 1 county versus Tyrone's 4 county All Irelands. After all you people always say that club is more important.
Yes let's run with that, Armagh better than both with 7 All Irelands.
True.. but 4 different clubs, all within 15mile radius.
I'd say if Harte trys to say my way or the high way it'll be him saying goodbye rather than the Glen lads!
Would be ridiculous for them to be anywhere near the first league game.
The worse part last year was it at home to Limerick and most certainly didn't need any Glen players to win that match.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 24, 2024, 04:57:31 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on January 24, 2024, 03:33:20 PMWill be interesting to see if Glen players play. Mickey Harte has no experience of managing that situation given that Tyrone have won no senior club All Ireland's. I wonder does that mean Derry are the more successful footballing county now? 4 club All Ireland's and 1 county versus Tyrone's 4 county All Irelands. After all you people always say that club is more important.
Yes let's run with that, Armagh better than both with 7 All Irelands.
Of course Down are better with 5 +3
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 23, 2024, 02:17:33 PMDoesn't sound like Galway have a clean bill of health either with Silke & McDaid out with broken feet and Sean Kelly still out too. Plenty of rumours about Glynn & Tierney too but we'll know come the weekend and neither Hernon or Cooke will be around this year either.
Even Comer said on Parkinson's podcast that he probably won't play the entire league. I'd say they are just hoping to get enough points to stay up and hopefully have everyone fit for championship. The injuries sunk them last year and they are already carrying a few into this year
According to Irish Examiner journalist Paul Keane, Conor Glass, Ethan Doherty will be available for selection for Ulster University on Wednesday so probably back for Derry in round 2 v Tyrone?
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on January 24, 2024, 03:33:20 PMWill be interesting to see if Glen players play. Mickey Harte has no experience of managing that situation given that Tyrone have won no senior club All Ireland's. I wonder does that mean Derry are the more successful footballing county now? 4 club All Ireland's and 1 county versus Tyrone's 4 county All Irelands. After all you people always say that club is more important.
Unfortunately not a chara, Tyrone 4 to 1 up in Intermediate and Junior titles, we'll not mention u21s/u20s, Minors nor Schools competition's, it gets a little embarrassing.
Mr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Are there any scoring forwards in that bog outside Bellaghy ?
Quote from: seafoid on January 25, 2024, 07:53:29 PMMr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Are there any scoring forwards in that bog outside Bellaghy ?
Derry has scoring forwards, midfielders, defenders and a keeper...this is modern football.
Outside of the provincials, Leinster and Munster being a cake walk for Dublin and Kerry respectively, the scoring averages from last year are
Derry 18.5
Dublin 19.5
Kerry 22 (Kerry's 5-24 hammering of Louth, 16 points more than any of their other game total skews their total)
So Dublin and Kerry are lauded for the potent forwards they have, Derry lambasted, yet Derry are in and around the same average.. That's modern football, defenders score and forwards defend.
In Ulster, Derry averaged 22.5 points / game
Quote from: seafoid on January 25, 2024, 07:53:29 PMMr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Outside of Dubs and Kerry, the hardest job to come in to. All Ireland final appearance will be seen as progress.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2024, 10:48:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 25, 2024, 07:53:29 PMMr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Outside of Dubs and Kerry, the hardest job to come in to. All Ireland final appearance will be seen as progress.
I think there's more expectation in Armagh than there is in Derry to be honest.
There's a hope in Derry rather than expectation.
I'd say the aim in Derry right now is to retain Div1 status and win the first round in Ulster and nothing more.
I certainly haven't heard expectations of an All-Ireland, but more conversations around us being in with a chance and rather tentative opinions on the appointment of Harte.
Of course, we want to go better than the last 2 seasons but no doubt if we do well in Div1 and early rounds of championship its inevitable that AI will become part of the conversation.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 26, 2024, 09:44:32 AMQuote from: ONeill on January 25, 2024, 10:48:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 25, 2024, 07:53:29 PMMr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Outside of Dubs and Kerry, the hardest job to come in to. All Ireland final appearance will be seen as progress.
I think there's more expectation in Armagh than there is in Derry to be honest.
There's a hope in Derry rather than expectation.
I'd say the aim in Derry right now is to retain Div1 status and win the first round in Ulster and nothing more.
I certainly haven't heard expectations of an All-Ireland, but more conversations around us being in with a chance and rather tentative opinions on the appointment of Harte.
Of course, we want to go better than the last 2 seasons but no doubt if we do well in Div1 and early rounds of championship its inevitable that AI will become part of the conversation.
I would agree.
The posters and commentators, from other counties appear more occupied with Derry's AI chances than any Derry people I have spoken with.
I will be very Happy, if Derry maintain Div 1 status and get past the first championship game against Donegal. These are the big Tests for Mickey Harte.
Then I will reassess my hopes.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 26, 2024, 09:58:20 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 26, 2024, 09:44:32 AMQuote from: ONeill on January 25, 2024, 10:48:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 25, 2024, 07:53:29 PMMr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Outside of Dubs and Kerry, the hardest job to come in to. All Ireland final appearance will be seen as progress.
I think there's more expectation in Armagh than there is in Derry to be honest.
There's a hope in Derry rather than expectation.
I'd say the aim in Derry right now is to retain Div1 status and win the first round in Ulster and nothing more.
I certainly haven't heard expectations of an All-Ireland, but more conversations around us being in with a chance and rather tentative opinions on the appointment of Harte.
Of course, we want to go better than the last 2 seasons but no doubt if we do well in Div1 and early rounds of championship its inevitable that AI will become part of the conversation.
I would agree.
The posters and commentators, from other counties appear more occupied with Derry's AI chances than any Derry people I have spoken with.
I will be very Happy, if Derry maintain Div 1 status and get past the first championship game against Donegal. These are the big Tests for Mickey Harte.
Then I will reassess my hopes.
I'd have to agree with all of this as well. Over the last few years, there is a renewed hope in the county that we can compete at the top level again. But that is all it is - there is no expectation. Mickey has a very talented bunch of footballers at his disposal. What'll he do with that is the million-dollar question. No one I chat to is talking about us expecting to win All Ireland's. We are all just enjoying the rollercoaster that's Derry football at the minute. Staying in Div 1 has to be Derry's first priority. Losing against Donegal wouldn't be the end of the world and it's all being tee'd up for a McGuinness ambush. Bit of football to be played between now and then!
Think that's a bit mad. You've hit a golden period. They can pass very quickly. Would you not want to try and make hay now when you can.
If you don't have an expectation to challenge for the AI now, then I doubt you ever will. I know it's the done thing to play things down, but I simply don't believe the AI isn't fairly central to most Derry wans thoughts for the, especially after Glens victory. Derry, Kerry or Dublin. The winners will come from there.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2024, 10:47:24 AMDerry, Kerry or Dublin. The winners will come from there.
That's probably the general feeling all over the Country.
Maybe if Galway have a full bill of health and don't do anything silly.....
Other than that getting to Quarter Finals is as much as the rest can realistically expect (viewed at in January anyway)
I think Derry have a chance at an all Ireland over the new few years, but a lot of things would have to go right for it to happen. Most importantly, staying relatively injury free.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2024, 01:41:03 PMQuote from: Maroon Manc on January 23, 2024, 02:17:33 PMDoesn't sound like Galway have a clean bill of health either with Silke & McDaid out with broken feet and Sean Kelly still out too. Plenty of rumours about Glynn & Tierney too but we'll know come the weekend and neither Hernon or Cooke will be around this year either.
Even Comer said on Parkinson's podcast that he probably won't play the entire league. I'd say they are just hoping to get enough points to stay up and hopefully have everyone fit for championship. The injuries sunk them last year and they are already carrying a few into this year
Got to tread carefully with Comer, out of the last 6 seasons he's been fit twice and no coincidence they were easily Galways best years in 2018 and 2022. Would like to see them experiment and at full forward during the league without him, need a plan B in case he gets injured. Too much talk of O'Currain on podcasts, the lad looks like he has all the attributes to succeed at this level but he's only 20.
Surely Derry people want to at least hit the same level as last year if not improve- would say staying in Division 1 and getting to another semi final would be a decent season. No shame in losing to Kerry or Dublin as long as you don't get a hiding but no reason Derry couldn't beat one of them. Don't think they'll be judged too much on Ulster given they've a couple of wins behind them although I'm sure Mickey will want to win it.
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 26, 2024, 11:12:45 AMI think Derry have a chance at an all Ireland over the new few years, but a lot of things would have to go right for it to happen. Most importantly, staying relatively injury free.
Yeah I
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2024, 10:47:24 AMThink that's a bit mad. You've hit a golden period. They can pass very quickly. Would you not want to try and make hay now when you can.
If you don't have an expectation to challenge for the AI now, then I doubt you ever will. I know it's the done thing to play things down, but I simply don't believe the AI isn't fairly central to most Derry wans thoughts for the, especially after Glens victory. Derry, Kerry or Dublin. The winners will come from there.
We'll be trying to win every game, no doubt about that. And I'm sure privately the team and management will have aspirations.
But realistically, we've had good players and teams before and we've 1 All Ireland to our name.
We'll need luck with injuries (one early injury against Kerry last year definitely affected the whole performance), a kind draw would have been nice but we're on the tough side of the Ulster, we need everything to click at the right time in the big games and we need Harte to deliver what he was obviously brought in to do.
Are we good enough to win it? I think yes, but we were good enough last year in my opinion too.
We are hopeful, just not expectant and they hype that's being circulated outside the county isn't replicated inside the county even with Glen's success.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 25, 2024, 09:42:26 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 25, 2024, 07:53:29 PMMr C. Whelan says that Harte has to win Sam with Derry
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0125/1428627-whelan-harte-has-to-deliver-an-all-ireland-to-derry/
Are there any scoring forwards in that bog outside Bellaghy ?
Derry has scoring forwards, midfielders, defenders and a keeper...this is modern football.
Outside of the provincials, Leinster and Munster being a cake walk for Dublin and Kerry respectively, the scoring averages from last year are
Derry 18.5
Dublin 19.5
Kerry 22 (Kerry's 5-24 hammering of Louth, 16 points more than any of their other game total skews their total)
So Dublin and Kerry are lauded for the potent forwards they have, Derry lambasted, yet Derry are in and around the same average.. That's modern football, defenders score and forwards defend.
In Ulster, Derry averaged 22.5 points / game
Agreed.
We can get scores from 1 - 15 on this team. But people see the big scores mcguigan racks up and say if it wasnt for him we'd have nothing.
Not the case, but equally, any team would really miss a player of mcguigan's standard. Take clifford out of Kerry and they wouldnt score as much, does that mean they don't have the forwards?
I think our attacking play against Kerry in the SF last year should show where we are in this regard.
Derry aren't far away, need to add greater depth to that playing panel as they've had a great run of it the last 2 years injury wise.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2024, 11:12:09 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 26, 2024, 10:47:24 AMDerry, Kerry or Dublin. The winners will come from there.
That's probably the general feeling all over the Country.
Maybe if Galway have a full bill of health and don't do anything silly.....
Other than that getting to Quarter Finals is as much as the rest can realistically expect (viewed at in January anyway)
Between Derry, Kerry, Dublin for me also as main All-Ireland contenders in 2024. Galway would then be next in line should as you say keep the main players fit and in form (Sean Kelly, McDaid, Comer,Walsh)
Mayo and bit of run will be talked up by the media but defensively the habit of conceding goals in championship matches remains and their panel isn't as good as it was 2012-2017 when at least one All-Ireland was there to be won.
It's a big season for Joyce in Galway I think. Galway must be very frustrating to support because I think the talent is there to challenge Kerry / Dublin but I just doubt that they will on past evidence. Seem to be missing a few mind you which won't help.
Injuries are far more important under the new system with the condensed schedule and no recovery time.
Galway were banjaxed last year.
Some other team or teams will be this year.
It's normal to project forward the teams that did well last year at the beginning of the new season. There is no other relevant form. Galway were heavily favoured until they fell out of the championship. Now Derry get that treatment.
The big questions surround Dublin and Kerry. They have won 8 of the last 9 all Irelands. Are they both good enough to get to the final again this year? hard to know.
Of the challengers the question is who is the strongest? The league should tell us something
Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2024, 04:22:21 PMInjuries are far more important under the new system with the condensed schedule and no recovery time.
Galway were banjaxed last year.
Some other team or teams will be this year.
It's normal to project forward the teams that did well last year at the beginning of the new season. There is no other relevant form. Galway were heavily favoured until they fell out of the championship. Now Derry get that treatment.
The big questions surround Dublin and Kerry. They have won 8 of the last 9 all Irelands. Are they both good enough to get to the final again this year? hard to know.
Of the challengers the question is who is the strongest? The league should tell us something
If Derry pick up those type of injuries they are in big bother.If they keep everyone fit I think they have a decent chance of all ireland but not sustaining injuries to keymen two years in a row is unlikely especially given the heavy schedule.
Mayo team to play Galway on Sunday
Colm Reape - Knockmore
Jack Coyne - Ballyhaunis
David McBrien - Ballaghaderreen
Rory Brickenden - Westport
Paddy Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
Sam Callinan - Ballina Stephenites
Eoghan McLaughlin - Westport
Bob Tuohy - Castlebar Mitchels
Stephen Coen - Hollymount Carramore
Fergal Boland - Aghamore
Jack Carney - Kilmeena
Jordan Flynn - Crossmolina
Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
Tommy Conroy - The Neale
Ryan O'Donoghue - Beal and Mhuirthead
Not sure how wise McGuinness was saying he is going back to soccer in the future considering he is only back. Have a feeling all donegal will be is lighter in the pocket by the time he leaves.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 26, 2024, 09:00:43 PMNot sure how wise McGuinness was saying he is going back to soccer in the future considering he is only back. Have a feeling all donegal will be is lighter in the pocket by the time he leaves.
Did he not go and get major financial backing from ex pats in London and the USA??
Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2024, 09:41:57 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 26, 2024, 09:00:43 PMNot sure how wise McGuinness was saying he is going back to soccer in the future considering he is only back. Have a feeling all donegal will be is lighter in the pocket by the time he leaves.
Did he not go and get major financial backing from ex pats in London and the USA??
No idea but by the time you count the wall at over 50 grand foe thr trininf ground and his salary alone you would imagine there wouldn't be much left.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 26, 2024, 10:33:59 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2024, 09:41:57 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 26, 2024, 09:00:43 PMNot sure how wise McGuinness was saying he is going back to soccer in the future considering he is only back. Have a feeling all donegal will be is lighter in the pocket by the time he leaves.
Did he not go and get major financial backing from ex pats in London and the USA??
No idea but by the time you count the wall at over 50 grand foe thr trininf ground and his salary alone you would imagine there wouldn't be much left.
Of what he has raised, so a surplus then
Doherty, Glass and McFaul all starting for Derry this evening.
Quote from: square_ball on January 27, 2024, 05:01:53 PMDoherty, Glass and McFaul all starting for Derry this evening.
A surprise they are. No time off at all.
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Kerry line up
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2024, 10:45:55 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 26, 2024, 10:33:59 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 26, 2024, 09:41:57 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 26, 2024, 09:00:43 PMNot sure how wise McGuinness was saying he is going back to soccer in the future considering he is only back. Have a feeling all donegal will be is lighter in the pocket by the time he leaves.
Did he not go and get major financial backing from ex pats in London and the USA??
No idea but by the time you count the wall at over 50 grand foe thr trininf ground and his salary alone you would imagine there wouldn't be much left.
Of what he has raised, so a surplus then
Depends on how much he raised i suppose.
The mercenaries have no consideration for player welfare, no surprise there
Madness playing them in a game away to Kerry where chances of a win were thin.Should be focusing on. All home games.
Doherty, Glass and McFaul weren't named on 26 on the program. I thought a rule was brought in a few years ago that you couldn't change the 26 or was that rule just for the championship?
QuoteGareth McKinless is always a good man to go down in contact.
;D
Derry playing well so far although typical harte team,hand passing and running game. Not sure playing glass etc is smart in the long run. Time will tell.
Seanie oshea is still a wannabe hard man.
Can't understand starting men who were still on the drink on wednesday and a high competitive game 6 days ago
Derry lack a bit of slickness in attack that might create a goal chance.
Will be interesting to see will Kerry persist in letting the ball in in the second half when wind assisted.
O'Shea is lucky he didn't play in the time of Mick Lyons, he been kilt.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 27, 2024, 06:05:49 PMCan't understand starting men who were still on the drink on wednesday and a high competitive game 6 days ago
Glass is doing Ok. Maybe his glass was not full.
Half time Kerry 0-4 Derry 0-8. Have lost count to the amount of times they have mentioned the wind.
McKaigue seems to have regained ability of pace that he lost last year but I'm sure he'd still struggle big time on Clifford instead of O'Shea
He was carrying a fairly bad ankle injury half the year, not sure if he got it operated on or not.
Derry with a easy point to falling v short and another wide from 20m
According to Fitmaurice there is very little in any of the Kerry fouls!
Kerry for a county with a sizable Gaeltacht never seem to promote the language on scoreboards or the stadium annoucements
Big goal chance not taken by Kerry there. 53 mins played Kerry 0-7 Derry 0-10
How is 3 men slapping at u all at the same time with 2 hands not a free?
The lack of consistency in the application of the neck high challenges is bizarre. Some just a free, some a yellow card and one a black card.
And gettin surrounded by players sometimes is over carrying and other times it's a free the other way.
I see the 2023 diving mcguigan is still here in 2024. Surely refs talk amongst themselves? No? He's cat for it
Jesus Christ that was a free!!
Rodgers pushed straight in the back there, but keeper shouldn't kicked that pass.
Blatant foul. Joe was showing signs of wavering to the crowd in the minutes before it.
Joe up Kerrys hole as usual
Cassidy a good addition to Derry. Paul Cassidy very quiet.
McQuillan not a great ref tbh.
O'Shea is a awful dick.
That O'Shea a dirty bollix.
Declan Cassidy totally wrong side of his man there for that goal, slack.
Are Derry trying to lose this game?!
Too many men slipping,wearing mouldies?
Glass is clearly tiring.
Gambling with the Glen men not going to pay off, alot of effort expensed with nothing to show
Full Time Kerry 2-8 Derry 0-15. Added time free wins it for Derry.
Game was nearly lost on the foul on Rodgers leading to the first goal.Glen lads shouldn't have to go for 70+plus
If they get the points now then they can rest them later on. Maybe that's what Harte is at.
You can't be drinking 3/4 days. No training in the week then try to play a top level game at the weekend.strange decision by Harte playing these men.
Good win for Derry. Conceded two bad goals though one was a definite foul. Including the Glen players was justified - two important points.
Kerry are still an average team without Clifford.
Good win. The first goal definitely gave Kerry a bit of a lift but was a blatant push on the back.
On another note, someone give Sean Cavanagh a tissue.
That was poor game management in added time, with Kerry in safe possession the goalie shoots for a point from a difficult distance, the ball should have been brought closer to goal,through the phases.
Quote from: 5times5times on January 27, 2024, 06:48:39 PMI see the 2023 diving mcguigan is still here in 2024. Surely refs talk amongst themselves? No? He's cat for it
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 27, 2024, 07:08:05 PMYou can't be drinking 3/4 days. No training in the week then try to play a top level game at the weekend.strange decision by Harte playing these men.
Were they drinking for 3/4 days though? I imagine McFaul doesn't drink now for one.
I'd be surprised if Harte played them had they been on the drink all week but chances are they weren't.
I'd say his reasoning is that they are flying at their peak and Derry might as well use it to their benefit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 27, 2024, 07:06:06 PMGame was nearly lost on the foul on Rodgers leading to the first goal.Glen lads shouldn't have to go for 70+plus
I'm a Derry man and I didn't see that as a foul.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 27, 2024, 07:25:58 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 27, 2024, 07:08:05 PMYou can't be drinking 3/4 days. No training in the week then try to play a top level game at the weekend.strange decision by Harte playing these men.
Were they drinking for 3/4 days though? I imagine McFaul doesn't drink now for one.
I'd be surprised if Harte played them had they been on the drink all week but chances are they weren't.
I'd say his reasoning is that they are flying at their peak and Derry might as well use it to their benefit.
They were 100% on the drink and why wouldn't they!! Surprised they played but they're adults if they want to play why shouldn't they.
Thought we were by far the better team but made hard work of it.
Great start!
Quote from: screenexile on January 27, 2024, 07:34:38 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 27, 2024, 07:25:58 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 27, 2024, 07:08:05 PMYou can't be drinking 3/4 days. No training in the week then try to play a top level game at the weekend.strange decision by Harte playing these men.
Were they drinking for 3/4 days though? I imagine McFaul doesn't drink now for one.
I'd be surprised if Harte played them had they been on the drink all week but chances are they weren't.
I'd say his reasoning is that they are flying at their peak and Derry might as well use it to their benefit.
They were 100% on the drink and why wouldn't they!! Surprised they played but they're adults if they want to play why shouldn't they.
Thought we were by far the better team but made hard work of it.
Great start!
Because some people don't drink. The weirdos.
Deserved win for Derry. Probably closer than it should have been but we'll take.
McFaul said the Glen lads were back at Owenbeg on Wednesday.
Cavanagh talking about "Hurlers in the ditch" and Derry people having a history of it. Unlike himself, having a swipe at Mickey/Tyrone tactics as soon as he retires from county football. ::)
He also seemed to give begrudging credit to Mickey for getting over the line in 2003. He's a strange man.
Cormac Murphy made a significant impact off the bench. If he gets an opportunity to develop alongside McGuigan in this league campaign, it could be a major boost to Derry come the championship.
Kerry showing again that they are a mediocre side without Clifford.
Regardless though it's still a big win for Derry to go down to Kerry and get the 2 points.
Derry deserved to win certainly. Yet as poor as Kerry were - and they were poor as they tend to be in Jan/Feb - they blew some great goal chances to win it, and also took some dumb shots for points. Derry were impressive in the way they could create good point chances when they needed a score. Looked chaotic at the back however. The two points puts a gloss on an unnecessary risk with the Glen players. It ended up being an entertaining game, so credit to both teams.
Some goal there!
Level game 2-2 to 1-5 fine fight back by Monaghan
Does Joe McQuillan live in Cavan? It's a 350 mile round trip. Is there nobody else a bit closer?
Quote from: Sportacus on January 27, 2024, 08:11:33 PMDoes Joe McQuillan live in Cavan? It's a 350 mile round trip. Is there nobody else a bit closer?
Doesn't joe live in Dublin? :)
Monaghan's new goalie is doing well as a goalie, Beggan would have attempted to punch that high ball but mcDonnell scooped it from the air very nicely and under pressure. Next step it to strike the ball over the bar from 45m out because no one else can.
Suppose just been in Division 4 5yrs ago, Derry have come a long way.
Deserved win for Derry. Probably closer than it should have been but we'll take.
Good game this.
That lad o'hanlon has some pace
Stevie O'Hanlon loves playing the Dubs in the league doesn't he
FT Dublin 1-14 Monaghan 3-9. Good game enjoyable viewing.
Sweet ;D
Thought Monahan had thrown that one away, nice point to clinch it.
Well done Monaghan, I hope the Armagh management team were watching that and saw what playing with balls looks like.
Monaghan now have beaten the Dubs in 4 out of the last 5 league games, the other one was a draw.
Great game, fair play to Monaghan, brilliant win
Serious, serious result from a very understrength Monaghan, against a fairly strong looking Dubs side in Croker. Massive experience from some of the young lads there being able to gut out a win like that against the AI champs without the reliable old heads like McManus, Beggan Hughes who so often dig them out of games.
Long way to go in what is a very tough Division 1, but not a bad start
Some very impressive performances right across the team. Fair play. Thought beggan was a loss they would be unable to cope with but that new keeper was excellent
That win had to be clawed from a frantic Dublin. As Schkite alluded to, the debutantes were brilliant, just so composed and skillful.
But in saying that, the Dubs were rusty as fck until the last 10 mins but Monaghan went toe to toe in the final minutes and prevailed.
Should have known better than to write Monaghan off. There was something very different about their performance tonight as well, it was won in style with a lot of younger players playing with no fear so it was good to see them get their reward.
Hard not to admire Monaghan. Brilliant footballing county.
Plenty of pace in that team
Quote from: An Watcher on January 27, 2024, 09:40:16 PMPlenty of pace in that team
Yeah they do. O'Hanlon especially is very hard to stop when he gets going.
Monaghan have had a lot of good u17/20 teams over the past 5 years so their conveyor belt is as good as any county.
Quote from: ONeill on January 27, 2024, 09:35:48 PMHard not to admire Monaghan. Brilliant footballing county.
Very true.
Probably condescending but they do punch above their weight.
Corey seems like a decent lad.
Quote from: Main Street on January 27, 2024, 09:16:27 PMThat win had to be clawed from a frantic Dublin. As Schkite alluded to, the debutantes were brilliant, just so composed and skillful.
But in saying that, the Dubs were rusty as fck until the last 10 mins but Monaghan went toe to toe in the final minutes and prevailed.
Another stat thanks to Maurice Brosnan
Since the famous Donegal ambush of 2014, Dublin have only conceded three goals twice.
2022: Monaghan 3-13 Dublin 1-18
2024: Monaghan 3-9 Dublin 1-14
Quote from: marty34 on January 27, 2024, 10:39:33 PMQuote from: ONeill on January 27, 2024, 09:35:48 PMHard not to admire Monaghan. Brilliant footballing county.
Very true.
Probably condescending but they do punch above their weight.
Corey seems like a decent lad.
Nothing condescending about it, they are a great example.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:47:28 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 27, 2024, 10:39:33 PMQuote from: ONeill on January 27, 2024, 09:35:48 PMHard not to admire Monaghan. Brilliant footballing county.
Very true.
Probably condescending but they do punch above their weight.
Corey seems like a decent lad.
Nothing condescending about it, they are a great example.
It is condescending, we are this weight!! is that not obvious by now? Just because some people opine lower expectations does not equate to Monaghan punching above their weight when they exceed those low expectations.
This evening one could say Dublin/Kerry punched below their weight, but Monaghan punched their weight.
For as seriously as Monaghan seem to take this league, it's incredible that they have only ever won it once before back in the 80s. No Sams in that county either.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on January 27, 2024, 11:13:29 PMFor as seriously as Monaghan seem to take this league, it's incredible that they have only ever won it once before back in the 80s. No Sams in that county either.
That ride you didn't get in Monaghan is still haunting you I see
Quote from: straightred on January 27, 2024, 11:24:32 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on January 27, 2024, 11:13:29 PMFor as seriously as Monaghan seem to take this league, it's incredible that they have only ever won it once before back in the 80s. No Sams in that county either.
That ride you didn't get in Monaghan is still haunting you I see
This bro seems to have a general dislike for any Ulster county, best ignored
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 27, 2024, 06:52:59 PMCassidy a good addition to Derry. Paul Cassidy very quiet.
McQuillan not a great ref tbh.
O'Shea is a awful dick.
Quietest I've seen Cassidy in a long time - early days, but I didn't think we were as dynamic going forward as we were last year - also can't recall a single goal chance, goals were a big feature of Derry the last couple of years - hopefully this isn't a sign of harte's conservatism.
Good win, but can we now give the Glen lads a few weeks off, for the look of it, if nothing else!
Quote from: onefineday on January 28, 2024, 12:07:51 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on January 27, 2024, 06:52:59 PMCassidy a good addition to Derry. Paul Cassidy very quiet.
McQuillan not a great ref tbh.
O'Shea is a awful dick.
Quietest I've seen Cassidy in a long time - early days, but I didn't think we were as dynamic going forward as we were last year - also can't recall a single goal chance, goals were a big feature of Derry the last couple of years - hopefully this isn't a sign of harte's conservatism.
Good win, but can we now give the Glen lads a few weeks off, for the look of it, if nothing else!
Exactly what I was thinking. When Derry first burst on the scene in 2022 the critics and pundits were saying they don't score enough points.
Tonight they won that game without looking like scoring a goal.
Which I'm not sure is a positive or not. Derry under Gallagher made it their prerogative to go for goal whenever the opportunity arose and created several chances per game with dynamic running off the shoulder at pace and numerous bodies inside the 13.
Now they weren't always the most clinical goal scoring side but they created so many chances that they likely scored a goal in every game they played and sometimes two or three or more.
The Clare and Monaghan games spring to mind in 2022 and the Meath and Kildare games in last years league.
I had similar worries about our lack of goals but when is the last time we scored 2 goals against a top team. Donegal last year maybe, but you could argue they weren't a top team. You can't compare hammering lower half div 2 teams Vs div 1 football.
I don't think there are any significant changes in style v last year.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on January 27, 2024, 11:13:29 PMFor as seriously as Monaghan seem to take this league, it's incredible that they have only ever won it once before back in the 80s. No Sams in that county either.
Well I am not one to defend the honour of the mushroom men and they couldnt get bet enough as far as I am concerned but
population Co Monaghan - 61,000
Population Co Dublin - 1,388,000
(2016 census)
So you have to give them a bit of credit now in fairness.
Well done Monaghan.
Surprised at the strength of the Dublin team and the workrate and desire shown for a league game in January. Performance wasn't up to a whole heap, but we're in good shape overall.
Lively opening 15 minutes in a wet and windy goal for Mayo as they lead 1-2 to 0-2.
Pathetic first half from us with a gale behind us.
My fullback line fear pre game has come to pass. D'arcy getting another chance today after a few years out and caught badly for the goal.
Eoghan Kelly too slow for the corner.
Sean Mulkerrin looks off the pace.
Shane looks disinterested.
Just a disaster all over the pitch.
When Comer does not play - Galway do not play. Simple as that
Is it just me or have Galway been absolutely abysmal in this game.
Couple of great long range scores the only positive.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on January 28, 2024, 02:11:21 PMIs it just me or have Galway been absolutely abysmal in this game.
Couple of great long range scores the only positive.
You're spot on.
Going to get a hiding in the second half. When we are not at full strength we're not at the races.
Don't have huge depth.
Deserved lead for Mayo at half time. Galway 0-5 Mayo 1-6
Is Comer off?
Quote from: p3427977 on January 28, 2024, 02:49:10 PMIs Comer off?
Named to start but Niall Daly started instead of him.
Ryan O'Donoghue very talented footballer but hard to warm to.
65 mins played Mayo still four in front as they were at half time.
Galway don't look up to much without McDaid,Kelly and Comer. Early days but gotta be worrying for the summer.
Added time penalty from Cillian O'Connor sealed the win for Mayo. 2-12 to 0-10.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 03:21:04 PMAdded time penalty from Cillian O'Connor sealed the win for Mayo. 2-12 to 0-10.
Was the penalty soft? Didn't see the incident in full
It seemed like a push in the back but not that forceful. Lucky enough to get it.
Not a great game compared to last nights games.
Galway going nowhere on that evidence. Very lethargic looking and have looked that way since they got to the All-Ireland in 2022.
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 28, 2024, 03:25:57 PMIt seemed like a push in the back but not that forceful. Lucky enough to get it.
Yeah that what I saw but thought it was for something different!
I find it hard to believe that Galway keeper is still holding to that jersey!
Surely in the county of Galway there's a man better in the club scene not getting the chance?
Not many in Omagh.
Now in mitigation Galway are down a lot of good players at the moment and given the teams selected I expected Mayo to win that game. However I have absolutely zero idea what the Galway management were trying to achieve there today.
Comer out before the game so they replace him with Niall Daly, a midfielder, and tell him to play up front. Through no fault of his own he doesn't play well up there so they sub him off again after 20 minutes. They have another midfielder, Cein Darcy, playing at wing forward marking one of the fastest wing-backs in the country in McLaughlin. To nobody's surprise he can't run with him but they leave him there anyway. Dylan McHugh a natural half back is playing in midfield and Sean Mulkerrin is playing at wing-back where I don't think I've ever seen him play. Cathal Sweeney a wing-back continues to be picked at corner-forward. Tierney came off the bench despite not being fully fit either and barely touched the ball. They just looked a disorganised mess. And I don't think they'll be getting any of the injured players back soon bar maybe Comer.
About the only bright spots is that the young lads O'Conghaile and O'Curraoin look like they are well able to kick scores when they get some service. But they probably won't be picked anyway as they'll want someone who can run around the the half back line instead.
Good goal from Donie Smith. Roscommon leading 1-3 to 0-5 in the opening 16 minutes
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 28, 2024, 03:52:55 PMNow in mitigation Galway are down a lot of good players at the moment and given the teams selected I expected Mayo to win that game. However I have absolutely zero idea what the Galway management were trying to achieve there today.
Comer out before the game so they replace him with Niall Daly, a midfielder, and tell him to play up front. Through no fault of his own he doesn't play well up there so they sub him off again after 20 minutes. They have another midfielder, Cein Darcy, playing at wing forward marking one of the fastest wing-backs in the country in McLaughlin. To nobody's surprise he can't run with him but they leave him there anyway. Dylan McHugh a natural half back is playing in midfield and Sean Mulkerrin is playing at wing-back where I don't think I've ever seen him play. Cathal Sweeney a wing-back continues to be picked at corner-forward. Tierney came off the bench despite not being fully fit either and barely touched the ball. They just looked a disorganised mess. And I don't think they'll be getting any of the injured players back soon bar maybe Comer.
About the only bright spots is that the young lads O'Conghaile and O'Curraoin look like they are well able to kick scores when they get some service. But they probably won't be picked anyway as they'll want someone who can run around the the half back line instead.
Out thought, out played, out everything today. Will be a long league campaign unless some of the injured lads are back soon. Very few positives in that today from a Galway perspective, Mayo very comfortably the better team.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 04:03:51 PMGood goal from Donie Smith. Roscommon leading 1-3 to 0-5 in the opening 16 minutes
Tyrone trying to walk ball into goal when they're in good position to take point.
Very averse to shooting at times when in positions you would expect county players to score from.
Stupid black card to get and just before half time.
Tyrone 0-10 to 1-6 at half time and have the man advantage for 10 minutes of the 2nd half after a foolish black card from Dylan Ruane.
Brilliant game in Omagh here.
All the bad press the Ulster teams get, they have all played brilliant attacking football this weekend.
Galway and Mayo by far the worst game on tv this weekend.
And fair play to the Rossies too playing some good ball. As much as I'm no Roscommon fan Davy Burke is a very likeable guy.
The Ulster teams are looking fitter and playing well, is that partly down to the more competitive nature of the McKenna Cup (aka the Mickey Harte Cup)?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 04:26:47 PMTyrone 0-10 to 1-6 at half time and have the man advantage for 10 minutes of the 2nd half after a foolish black card from Dylan Ruane.
Long time since I've seen as stupid a black card as that. Don't know what Ruane was thinking.
Tyrone doing pretty well considering half the team have no real senior county experience / are 21 or younger. Good to see chances given to new faces.
QuotePadraic Joyce confirms Peter Cooke isn't part of the squad for 2024. Cillian McDaid likely won't play any part of the league.
James McLaughlin and Cian Hernon also gone on Erasmus until May.
Was that really a red card ??
Jesus that is the softest red I have ever seen
I don't think that warranted a red card.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 28, 2024, 04:46:50 PMWas that really a red card ??
Very debatable call, lineman seemed to convince the ref. Tyrone two in front 42 mins played.
Wee bit clumsy but I thought yellow at a stretch. No real malice in it.
Tyrone being refereed differently again. I'm shocked.
Was a yellow card challenge.. couldn't have got a red just for that.. did the linesman see a couple of boxes thrown in the aftermath?? Very strange decision
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 28, 2024, 04:48:45 PMWee bit clumsy but I thought yellow at a stretch. No real malice in it.
Literally thought a yellow would be flashed and that's it. Can't even think what rule was broken which warrant a red
Quote from: Estimator on January 28, 2024, 04:49:46 PMWas a yellow card challenge.. couldn't have got a red just for that.. did the linesman see a couple of boxes thrown in the aftermath?? Very strange decision
Only thing I can think of. Couldn't have been for the challenge.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 28, 2024, 03:52:55 PMNow in mitigation Galway are down a lot of good players at the moment and given the teams selected I expected Mayo to win that game. However I have absolutely zero idea what the Galway management were trying to achieve there today.
Comer out before the game so they replace him with Niall Daly, a midfielder, and tell him to play up front. Through no fault of his own he doesn't play well up there so they sub him off again after 20 minutes. They have another midfielder, Cein Darcy, playing at wing forward marking one of the fastest wing-backs in the country in McLaughlin. To nobody's surprise he can't run with him but they leave him there anyway. Dylan McHugh a natural half back is playing in midfield and Sean Mulkerrin is playing at wing-back where I don't think I've ever seen him play. Cathal Sweeney a wing-back continues to be picked at corner-forward. Tierney came off the bench despite not being fully fit either and barely touched the ball. They just looked a disorganised mess. And I don't think they'll be getting any of the injured players back soon bar maybe Comer.
About the only bright spots is that the young lads O'Conghaile and O'Curraoin look like they are well able to kick scores when they get some service. But they probably won't be picked anyway as they'll want someone who can run around the the half back line instead.
Yeah I couldn't believe it when I saw Daly in at 14. Why? Because he's tall?
Just a plain daft decision.
Cein D'arcy has had loads of chances. His problem is he doesn't have the athleticism for the middle third at this level. He'll get run into the ground. That was clear the last time he was in the panel.
It's very early days and we have players to come back but it doesn't bode well for the summer
Ref letting alot of fouls on tyrone go
Tyrone three in front in 20 mins to play.
If a late shoulder to shoulder warranted a black card in this game then that late collision is a red card.
I'd say the officials thought it to be reckless and dangerous more than clumsy
Quote from: Main Street on January 28, 2024, 04:57:55 PMIf a late shoulder to shoulder warranted a black card in this game then that late collision is a red card.
I'd say the officials thought it to be reckless and dangerous more than clumsy
But a late shoulder/ off the ball challenge is literally a black card.
The ball wasn't there for the shoulder from the Roscommon man. It was there for kilpatrick's.
I thought there must have been some afters.
Dublin can always beat Monaghan in summer. How can this be changed ? I think it's psychological.
There is no hurling in Monaghan so the football population is bigger than in Offaly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxgju-2xbfQ
This is pretty pathetic from Roscommon so far. Extra man and offering absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Main Street on January 28, 2024, 04:57:55 PMIf a late shoulder to shoulder warranted a black card in this game then that late collision is a red card.
I'd say the officials thought it to be reckless and dangerous more than clumsy
What Ruane did is exactly in the wording of the black card rule, not some loose interpretation by this ref.
The Monaghan hurling team might say otherwise seafoid.
Roscommon been poor this half.
With 8 minutes to play the sending off hasn't made a difference and it's looking like a comfortable win for Tyrone. Roscommon performance have been as poor as Galway earlier on.
Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2024, 05:05:52 PMThis is pretty pathetic from Roscommon so far. Extra man and offering absolutely nothing.
They've been terrible. Early favorites for relegation on this showing
McKernan at chb looks interesting for Tyrone . Be interesting to see how that works out.
That Roscommon goal looked ok but disallowed.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 05:20:13 PMThat Roscommon goal looked ok but disallowed.
Which part was a square ball?
Not much wrong with that goal. Well worked.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 28, 2024, 05:07:57 PMQuote from: Main Street on January 28, 2024, 04:57:55 PMIf a late shoulder to shoulder warranted a black card in this game then that late collision is a red card.
I'd say the officials thought it to be reckless and dangerous more than clumsy
What Ruane did is exactly in the wording of the black card rule, not some loose interpretation by this ref.
If Ruane's shoulder charge was determined to be deliberately cynical then imo the red card was fair game.
Does Tyrone's win make it an unbeaten weekend for all 9 Ulster teams?.
Canavan class for Tyrone today.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2024, 05:20:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 05:20:13 PMThat Roscommon goal looked ok but disallowed.
Which part was a square ball?
He was in the square (just about) when the final pass was gave. Typical Tyrone though always making hard work of it when comfortable.
Tyrone 0-17 to 1-11 winners in end.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 28, 2024, 05:21:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2024, 05:20:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 05:20:13 PMThat Roscommon goal looked ok but disallowed.
Which part was a square ball?
The final pass
First pass looked or could have been off side too, tight margins and well done on ref taking his time to give it
Quote from: Main Street on January 28, 2024, 05:22:31 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 28, 2024, 05:07:57 PMQuote from: Main Street on January 28, 2024, 04:57:55 PMIf a late shoulder to shoulder warranted a black card in this game then that late collision is a red card.
I'd say the officials thought it to be reckless and dangerous more than clumsy
What Ruane did is exactly in the wording of the black card rule, not some loose interpretation by this ref.
If Ruane's shoulder was determined to deliberately cynical then imo the red card was fair game.
5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after that opponent has played the ball away
Square ball was tight but looked correct. Didn't show a great angle.
That's a good call for the square ball.
Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2024, 05:30:05 PMThat's a good call for the square ball.
Yep. Bang on. Its the sort of one that could have been missed.
Tyrone deserved the win. Played well when down to 14.
Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2024, 05:30:05 PMThat's a good call for the square ball.
Thought it was a very debatable call however Tyrone deserved the win.
He threw it into the net never mind the square ball. It wasn't a palm or a fist. Both hands were on the ball and he threw it in
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 05:27:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2024, 05:25:25 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 28, 2024, 05:21:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2024, 05:20:42 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2024, 05:20:13 PMThat Roscommon goal looked ok but disallowed.
Which part was a square ball?
The final pass
First pass looked or could have been off side too, tight margins and well done on ref taking his time to give it
Offside?
Was flicking between the soccer and bog ball ;D
Square ball
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 05:47:55 PMHe threw it into the net never mind the square ball. It wasn't a palm or a fist. Both hands were on the ball and he threw it in
He didn't 'catch' or collect the ball to throw it
Good and very comfortable win for Mayo, started with a strong team and moving very well for January. Galway poor and can't have many complaints about the margin of defeat.
In the 2nd live game I thought that goal should have stood for Roscommon but would have been a robbery had they got anything out of that game.
Tyrone missing some important players and their replacements all did well (helps to have All Ireland U20 team to pick from)
Roscommon lack of strength in depth without Enda Smith,Harney and Brigids players etc showed today.
Quote from: square_ball on January 28, 2024, 05:05:52 PMThis is pretty pathetic from Roscommon so far. Extra man and offering absolutely nothing.
Roscommon struggling with the second album but it's only the League
Roscommon black card - correct call
Tyrone red card - incorrect call
Roscommon square ball - incorrect call
Both teams very good at pretending to be injured when there was nothing wrong with them.
Quote from: Hound on January 28, 2024, 07:14:48 PMRoscommon black card - correct call
Tyrone red card - incorrect call
Roscommon square ball - incorrect call
Both teams very good at pretending to be injured when there was nothing wrong with them.
Had a look at it again. Definitely the correct call.
The square ball for the final play is tight though I think it might just be one.
However, before that the ball comes in and a Roscommon player starts in the square, then runs across the square to collect the ball.
Tough one for Roscommon but officials got it right.
Quote from: Hound on January 28, 2024, 07:14:48 PMRoscommon black card - correct call
Tyrone red card - incorrect call
Roscommon square ball - incorrect call
Both teams very good at pretending to be injured when there was nothing wrong with them.
I actually thought black card was correct and the yellow leading to red was correct too. It was a high tackle.
Was never a square ball.
Poor enough game.
Tyrone will be happy with the young lads and the points.
Roscommon might be happy given how close they were without so many players, but they didn't play well.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 28, 2024, 07:45:15 PMQuote from: Hound on January 28, 2024, 07:14:48 PMRoscommon black card - correct call
Tyrone red card - incorrect call
Roscommon square ball - incorrect call
Both teams very good at pretending to be injured when there was nothing wrong with them.
I actually thought black card was correct and the yellow leading to red was correct too. It was a high tackle.
Was never a square ball.
Poor enough game.
Tyrone will be happy with the young lads and the points.
Roscommon might be happy given how close they were without so many players, but they didn't play well.
Don't be confused.
It was a straight red.
The yellow was for someone else.
It's amazing how different counties produce different player types.
For example Mayo produce unbelievable powerful runners but haven't produced a real classy forward since McDonald... Moran O'Connor O'Donoghue Conroy all decent but you wouldn't call them classy elegant footballers... Having said that there's not many in the country.
My home county Cavan have struggled to produce that type of player also.
1. Clifford
2. McGuigan
3. Shane Walsh very inconsistent though.
4. Dara Canavan starting to show signs
5. Rian O'Neill when on it
6. King Con
7. Seanie O'Shea
8. Conor Mcmanus
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 28, 2024, 07:38:14 PMQuote from: Hound on January 28, 2024, 07:14:48 PMRoscommon black card - correct call
Tyrone red card - incorrect call
Roscommon square ball - incorrect call
Both teams very good at pretending to be injured when there was nothing wrong with them.
Had a look at it again. Definitely the correct call.
The square ball for the final play is tight though I think it might just be one.
However, before that the ball comes in and a Roscommon player starts in the square, then runs across the square to collect the ball.
Tough one for Roscommon but officials got it right.
I don't think they did get it right. Glennon was in square but he collected ball outside square. It's not soccer. It's only a square ball in GAA when you are in square before the ball. The ball to Glennon never made it into square. He then quickly passed to Robbie Dolan who was also outside square and you can see from behind goal that Connolly was still outside square when Dolan released ball. I suspect that was the play umpires ruled a square ball, but was not correct.
But Tyrone were deserving winners. Got their scores much easier and were hungrier for dirty ball. We were poor. Did we win one Tyrone kickout with an extra man. Morgan a close man of the match to Canavan who was top class.
There was a point in the first half which just goes over the bar,the keeper may have got it but a Tyrone player contested the ball with him.Replay shows him well inside the square before the ball even kicked.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 05:47:55 PMHe threw it into the net never mind the square ball. It wasn't a palm or a fist. Both hands were on the ball and he threw it in
That's the way all passes across the square are finished to the net nowadays.
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 05:47:55 PMHe threw it into the net never mind the square ball. It wasn't a palm or a fist. Both hands were on the ball and he threw it in
That's the way all passes across the square are finished to the net nowadays.
Normally its a palm into the net at head height or so, as the ball was nearly below the knee it looked like he threw it in rather than palmed it in. Square ball call was tight but as Conn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
QuoteConn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
If you think that's not a red card then you've had too many knocks on the head yourself. It was late, high and dangerous, he had time to pull out of it as well.
Quote from: highorlow on January 28, 2024, 08:29:50 PMQuoteConn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
If you think that's not a red card then you've had too many knocks on the head yourself. It was late, high and dangerous, he had time to pull out of it as well.
High or low - forget about it.
Had time to pull out if it - are you crazy? It was a big man colliding with a smaller man, albeit slightly late but there was no malice involved
But malice involved in every tackle on Darragh Canavan, all without punishment from a poor referee
As someone said earlier, they are all poor - you just hope you get one of the better poor ones!
Quote from: highorlow on January 28, 2024, 08:29:50 PMQuoteConn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
If you think that's not a red card then you've had too many knocks on the head yourself. It was late, high and dangerous, he had time to pull out of it as well.
When you say it was "late". He collided with a player who had the ball in his hands. He still had the ball in his hands when he hit the ground.
It was an awful effort at a tackle. I'll have to watch the replay but from what I saw earlier he didn't need to bull doze in the way he did.
Enjoyed that today. Promising performances from a spread of new lads. Morgan, McKernan and Canavan had big games.
Roscommon manager spent the whole game yapping at the linesman with arms spread out. Every call. Yapping.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 28, 2024, 08:39:57 PMQuote from: highorlow on January 28, 2024, 08:29:50 PMQuoteConn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
If you think that's not a red card then you've had too many knocks on the head yourself. It was late, high and dangerous, he had time to pull out of it as well.
When you say it was "late". He collided with a player who had the ball in his hands. He still had the ball in his hands when he hit the ground.
Exactly. It can't be a late tackle when the man has the ball in his hands. Some stupid comments about
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 08:58:27 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 28, 2024, 08:39:57 PMQuote from: highorlow on January 28, 2024, 08:29:50 PMQuoteConn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
If you think that's not a red card then you've had too many knocks on the head yourself. It was late, high and dangerous, he had time to pull out of it as well.
When you say it was "late". He collided with a player who had the ball in his hands. He still had the ball in his hands when he hit the ground.
Exactly. It can't be a late tackle when the man has the ball in his hands. Some stupid comments about
Did he tackle the ball?
Was it reckless?
Was it head height?
Red card for the look of astonishment after the ref blew the whistle
Didn't think it was a red myself but made zero effort to tackle the ball, just block the man. Square ball, the player came across the square to collect the ball before the pass. Debatable if it should been disallowed. Ball was palmed in, not thrown, some lads must be blind.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 08:14:17 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 05:47:55 PMHe threw it into the net never mind the square ball. It wasn't a palm or a fist. Both hands were on the ball and he threw it in
That's the way all passes across the square are finished to the net nowadays.
Normally its a palm into the net at head height or so, as the ball was nearly below the knee it looked like he threw it in rather than palmed it in. Square ball call was tight but as Conn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
Two passes before the finish was a very obvious square ball though. Man receives it deep in the square with his back to goal before it's passed back out and in. It was actually two square balls if the tight one at the end of the play is illegal as well.
RTE have missed it, they're still talking about the final touch. It wasn't for that, it was for the one in the buildup. Tg4 noticed it.
TG4 were incorrect. When Glennon caught the ball he was outside the square (screen grab below). He ran from a square ball position. But this is not soccer, as if he was running from an offside position to impact the play. The square ball rule only applies if the ball goes into the square. It never went into the square when Glennon caught it. There was no square ball rule to apply.
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Quote from: weareros on January 28, 2024, 09:56:31 PMTG4 were incorrect. When Glennon caught the ball he was outside the square (screen grab below). He ran from a square ball position. But this is not soccer, as if he was running from an offside position to impact the play. The square ball rule only applies if the ball goes into the square. It never went into the square when Glennon caught it. There was no square ball rule to apply.
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Maybe I'm wrong because it was a few years ago but I was always told that it's when the ball was kicked is when you judge a square ball. If he runs out and then in again it's still a square ball?!?
Seeing on TV there looked like the Officials got it wrong.
The red card was a reckless dangerous tackle on the Man so 2 wrongs there.
We got what we deserved from a poor performance, especially from 30 minutes onwards.
Tyrone looked like they had the extra man in the 2nd half and we gave them so much time and space.
Then despite our extra man Morgan picked out a free man on the terrace side about 7 times in a row with kick outs.
Loss of 2 coaches from last year telling I wonder?
Quote from: tyrone86 on January 28, 2024, 10:20:08 PMQuote from: weareros on January 28, 2024, 09:56:31 PMTG4 were incorrect. When Glennon caught the ball he was outside the square (screen grab below). He ran from a square ball position. But this is not soccer, as if he was running from an offside position to impact the play. The square ball rule only applies if the ball goes into the square. It never went into the square when Glennon caught it. There was no square ball rule to apply.
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Maybe I'm wrong because it was a few years ago but I was always told that it's when the ball was kicked is when you judge a square ball. If he runs out and then in again it's still a square ball?!?
True.But the ball has to enter the small rectangle or there's no square ball to judge. It didn't enter it. Andy Glennon caught it outside the small rectangle.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2024, 10:22:58 PMSeeing on TV there looked like the Officials got it wrong.
The red card was a reckless dangerous tackle on the Man so 2 wrongs there.
We got what we deserved from a poor performance, especially from 30 minutes onwards.
Tyrone looked like they had the extra man in the 2nd half and we gave them so much time and space.
Then despite our extra man Morgan picked out a free man on the terrace side about 7 times in a row with kick outs.
Loss of 2 coaches from last year telling I wonder?
If it is the changeover in backroom team, there's plenty of time for them to rectify it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 28, 2024, 09:45:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 08:14:17 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 08:10:12 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 28, 2024, 05:47:55 PMHe threw it into the net never mind the square ball. It wasn't a palm or a fist. Both hands were on the ball and he threw it in
That's the way all passes across the square are finished to the net nowadays.
Normally its a palm into the net at head height or so, as the ball was nearly below the knee it looked like he threw it in rather than palmed it in. Square ball call was tight but as Conn got a ridiculous red card it balanced itself out
Two passes before the finish was a very obvious square ball though. Man receives it deep in the square with his back to goal before it's passed back out and in. It was actually two square balls if the tight one at the end of the play is illegal as well.
RTE have missed it, they're still talking about the final touch. It wasn't for that, it was for the one in the buildup. Tg4 noticed it.
I think RTE proved beyond doubt that it was a legit goal and all present in the studio including Peter C. were agreed on that. But in any event Tyrone would have prevailed and were full value for their victory.
It's difficult to tell, player never would have got the ball In The first place if he didn't come across the square then out he didn't receive it in the square.
The red card was harsh but Kilpatrick gave the red a decision to make
No square ball.
Quote from: LeoMc on January 29, 2024, 08:28:23 AMThe red card was harsh but Kilpatrick gave the red a decision to make
No square ball.
We often hear this trotted out.
A tug on the jersey gives the ref a decision to make.
The wrong decision would be to issue a red card. Just as it is here.
Quote from: LeoMc on January 29, 2024, 08:28:23 AMThe red card was harsh but Kilpatrick gave the red a decision to make
No square ball.
Yes, he did. The decision should have been yellow
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 28, 2024, 11:55:58 PMIt's difficult to tell, player never would have got the ball In The first place if he didn't come across the square then out he didn't receive it on the square.
There is no prohibition on being in the square, only on receiving the ball in the square if certain conditions are met.
Tbh I don't understand how anyone thinks that's a red card. Clumsy and a yellow at best / worst.
The square ball was wrong too. League Sunday showed it up well.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2024, 08:32:54 AMQuote from: LeoMc on January 29, 2024, 08:28:23 AMThe red card was harsh but Kilpatrick gave the red a decision to make
No square ball.
We often hear this trotted out.
A tug on the jersey gives the ref a decision to make.
The wrong decision would be to issue a red card. Just as it is here.
IMO, The tackle was careless, he made contact with the players head, albeit with his chest, and there didn't appear to be any attempt to play the ball. In real time that give the Ref a decision to make.
In rugby it would not even be in doubt as there is an onus on the tackler that is not in our game.
Somebody tell Leo this isn't rugby. Hope Leo isn't a ref. How anyone could justify that as red is beyond me, outside of having done something in the pushing shoving afterwards.
If Kilpatrick had have been wearing a Dublin or Kerry jersey he would never have been sent off. He probably wouldn't even have received a yellow card. This is the problem with referring. Tyrone never ever get the same decisions as other counties even from the same referees. Croke park absolutely need to step in and fix this two tier refereeing.
Quote from: shawshank on January 29, 2024, 09:49:21 AMSomebody tell Leo this isn't rugby. Hope Leo isn't a ref. How anyone could justify that as red is beyond me, outside of having done something in the pushing shoving afterwards.
looks like he struck out in the pushing and shoving afterwards. Nothing in it tho and f the red was that it would have been soft
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 29, 2024, 09:22:54 AMTbh I don't understand how anyone thinks that's a red card. Clumsy and a yellow at best / worst.
The square ball was wrong too. League Sunday showed it up well.
It was a yellow all day long, very harsh sending off and will in all likelihood be overturned
Quote from: JoG2 on January 29, 2024, 10:19:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on January 29, 2024, 09:22:54 AMTbh I don't understand how anyone thinks that's a red card. Clumsy and a yellow at best / worst.
The square ball was wrong too. League Sunday showed it up well.
It was a yellow all day long, very harsh sending off and will in all likelihood be overturned
Didn't think it was a red but it was totally unnecessary for him to go flying in like that. Conn is an excellent player but Tyrone have been undermined by these red cards from daft challenges too often the last couple of years. Needs to be stamped out by management.
Good win for Tyrone with so many new faces. Tougher tests to come but great to have two points on the board at this stage.
Was the red card not for a punch thrown in the scuffle after the tackle ?
As much as it pains me to defend Tyrone that was definitely not a red card tackle
Quote from: shawshank on January 29, 2024, 09:49:21 AMSomebody tell Leo this isn't rugby. Hope Leo isn't a ref. How anyone could justify that as red is beyond me, outside of having done something in the pushing shoving afterwards.
Where did I say it was rugby? I said the red was harsh and the tackle was careless but the Ref makes the call in real time and if you are clumsy you run a risk.
Absolutely no way in hell it was a red for the initial tackle/hot.
Could the red have been for the jab to the face when there was some handbags afterwards?
Does any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
As long as you're not playing a championship game the week after the league final like Mayo last year then I would say yes there are benefits to winning the league. Kerry won it the last time they won the AI, Dublin won D2 last year and won the AI. Derry did well last year and got to D2 final. Winning is a good habit and it creates momentum.
Quote from: Mario on January 29, 2024, 04:35:19 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
As long as you're not playing a championship game the week after the league final like Mayo last year then I would say yes there are benefits to winning the league. Kerry won it the last time they won the AI, Dublin won D2 last year and won the AI. Derry did well last year and got to D2 final. Winning is a good habit and it creates momentum.
Winning D1 requires more effort than the procession in D2. Donegal will probably walk D2 . Mayo didn't benefit last year.
Quote from: Mario on January 29, 2024, 04:35:19 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
As long as you're not playing a championship game the week after the league final like Mayo last year then I would say yes there are benefits to winning the league. Kerry won it the last time they won the AI, Dublin won D2 last year and won the AI. Derry did well last year and got to D2 final. Winning is a good habit and it creates momentum.
Div 1 & 2 are not comparable. It takes a lot of effort to win Div 1 league whereas a few games in Div 2 are very lop sided.
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 29, 2024, 04:56:49 PMQuote from: Mario on January 29, 2024, 04:35:19 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
As long as you're not playing a championship game the week after the league final like Mayo last year then I would say yes there are benefits to winning the league. Kerry won it the last time they won the AI, Dublin won D2 last year and won the AI. Derry did well last year and got to D2 final. Winning is a good habit and it creates momentum.
Div 1 & 2 are not comparable. It takes a lot of effort to win Div 1 league whereas a few games in Div 2 are very lop sided.
D1 requires accuracy. D2 is much more sloppy
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
Thats a better gap. Didn't the 2 teams last year have to play the following week?
I think it's a joke that the Glen boys had to play the other night. Couldn't have been 100%
One weakness for Derry is that they have no reliable off the ground kick taker. It seems that Glass is taking them now and he doesn't seem to have the power. That is one weakness that Derry didn't have in the 90s with Tohill putting them over the catching net.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
1. Are you claiming the winners are taking something they shouldn't
2. How much a team scores is what matters. Both Derry and Dublin scored 1-15 against Kerry last year. Best defences wins national titles.
3. Contenders need luck with injuries alright.
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
You love Derry Seafoid!
Quote from: seanyb on January 30, 2024, 09:15:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
You love Derry Seafoid!
The whole country will be delighted if after 3 years Derry finally get a few serious injuries, so they can gloat about our lack of squad depth and burning out our players. Credit to the backroom team who must be doing something right to manage workloads. If only Galway could do the same.
Quote from: galwayman on January 28, 2024, 04:55:45 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 28, 2024, 03:52:55 PMNow in mitigation Galway are down a lot of good players at the moment and given the teams selected I expected Mayo to win that game. However I have absolutely zero idea what the Galway management were trying to achieve there today.
Comer out before the game so they replace him with Niall Daly, a midfielder, and tell him to play up front. Through no fault of his own he doesn't play well up there so they sub him off again after 20 minutes. They have another midfielder, Cein Darcy, playing at wing forward marking one of the fastest wing-backs in the country in McLaughlin. To nobody's surprise he can't run with him but they leave him there anyway. Dylan McHugh a natural half back is playing in midfield and Sean Mulkerrin is playing at wing-back where I don't think I've ever seen him play. Cathal Sweeney a wing-back continues to be picked at corner-forward. Tierney came off the bench despite not being fully fit either and barely touched the ball. They just looked a disorganised mess. And I don't think they'll be getting any of the injured players back soon bar maybe Comer.
About the only bright spots is that the young lads O'Conghaile and O'Curraoin look like they are well able to kick scores when they get some service. But they probably won't be picked anyway as they'll want someone who can run around the the half back line instead.
Yeah I couldn't believe it when I saw Daly in at 14. Why? Because he's tall?
Just a plain daft decision.
Cein D'arcy has had loads of chances. His problem is he doesn't have the athleticism for the middle third at this level. He'll get run into the ground. That was clear the last time he was in the panel.
It's very early days and we have players to come back but it doesn't bode well for the summer
Couldn't see it live so watched it last night, it was beyond woeful;
Only 6 players started who also started the All Ireland final against Kerry so not all doom and gloom and their all still on the panel although not heard anything on Patrick Kelly, anyone know?
The injury record is baffling, I appreciate someone like Comer is always going to struggle but Galway have been riddled with injuries all the way back to 2019 with 2022 been the only year outlier since.
Midfield is a huge concern, we're probably going to see more of D'Arcy until McDaid is back given McLaughlin is unavailable and Sam O'Neill is injured. Dylan McHugh had become one of the best wingbacks in the game in the last 18 months so leave him there.
The one positive was O'Conghaile, having watched him in the Sigerson he has a hell of a boot on him and capable of kicking scores from way out from both feet.
Huge game this Sunday and hard to make a case for Galway after Sunday, looks like a real fight to stay in the division.
Hard to make a case for Ros either after Sunday.
Probably a draw to help us both into Div 2.
A Galway source says Joyce is planning for them to peak around late June and they're not getting excited about th'oul League.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 10:22:38 AMHard to make a case for Ros either after Sunday.
Probably a draw to help us both into Div 2.
A Galway source says Joyce is planning for them to peak around late June and they're not getting excited about th'oul League.
The new system has 2 leagues- one in Feb and the other one in the championship.
Maybe division 1 isn't the best place to spend the spring. I dunno.
Jez Lads, It's January, the first round of the League. You're not supposed to be anything special at this stage. Talk of being better of in Division 2 - Go way ta F***. You have to be mixing it with the Big Boys.
The season now is more like the Grand National
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDR_OXfpNQ
Quote from: seafoid on January 30, 2024, 12:03:50 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 10:22:38 AMHard to make a case for Ros either after Sunday.
Probably a draw to help us both into Div 2.
A Galway source says Joyce is planning for them to peak around late June and they're not getting excited about th'oul League.
The new system has 2 leagues- one in Feb and the other one in the championship.
Maybe division 1 isn't the best place to spend the spring. I dunno.
But as Meath found out last year, div 2 can be precarious too!
Do we need a better incentive for league placings? Maybe provincial winners and the team with the highest league placing in each group get 2 home games in the all Ireland series? The neutral game is a stupid idea imo. Make it home and away only.
Quote from: onefineday on January 31, 2024, 12:24:51 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 30, 2024, 12:03:50 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2024, 10:22:38 AMHard to make a case for Ros either after Sunday.
Probably a draw to help us both into Div 2.
A Galway source says Joyce is planning for them to peak around late June and they're not getting excited about th'oul League.
The new system has 2 leagues- one in Feb and the other one in the championship.
Maybe division 1 isn't the best place to spend the spring. I dunno.
But as Meath found out last year, div 2 can be precarious too!
Do we need a better incentive for league placings? Maybe provincial winners and the team with the highest league placing in each group get 2 home games in the all Ireland series? The neutral game is a stupid idea imo. Make it home and away only.
Meath are shite.
The question is what strategy is best for top 8 teams.
Quote from: seanyb on January 30, 2024, 09:15:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
You love Derry Seafoid!
I think the fans are too excitable. But let's see.
Quote from: seafoid on January 31, 2024, 01:32:31 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 30, 2024, 09:15:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
You love Derry Seafoid!
I think the fans are too excitable. But let's see.
I don't think we are but be nice to us it's been a long time since we've been competitive we have to make the most of it (especially if you come from a very mediocre club who have been underachieving for decades)
I see some Tyrone people bragging about their 4 All Ireland's on Facebook. Something must have upset them. Humility is a positive human trait. Apparently they "even won one without Mickey Harte".
G wouldn't need have Kerry and Dublin starting to mouth about how many All-Irelands they have.Hell maybe Down and Cavan blow up about winning a fair lot.
Quote from: Brendan on January 31, 2024, 01:36:06 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 31, 2024, 01:32:31 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 30, 2024, 09:15:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
You love Derry Seafoid!
I think the fans are too excitable. But let's see.
I don't think we are but be nice to us it's been a long time since we've been competitive we have to make the most of it (especially if you come from a very mediocre club who have been underachieving for decades)
It definitely is good to see Derry back
How open is the all ireland this year how many teams legitimately have a chance do people think
Quote from: seafoid on January 31, 2024, 06:24:15 PMQuote from: Brendan on January 31, 2024, 01:36:06 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 31, 2024, 01:32:31 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 30, 2024, 09:15:39 AMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 10:17:18 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2024, 06:31:55 PMQuote from: seafoid on January 29, 2024, 04:25:48 PMDoes any team actually wanrt to win the League under the new system?
Does winning the League benefit anyone ?
And why are Derry 5/2?
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-1/winner
Why I think was highlighted by the strong team selection by Mickey Harte for round 1 of the league. Like Jack O'Connor on his return to Kerry it looks like the clear aim for Derry is to win every competition they'll enter.
NFL final is set for March 31st and should they reach it they'll still have three weeks to prepare for the opening round of the Ulster championship.
That will require
1. steroids
2. scoring forwards
3. no injuries
You love Derry Seafoid!
I think the fans are too excitable. But let's see.
I don't think we are but be nice to us it's been a long time since we've been competitive we have to make the most of it (especially if you come from a very mediocre club who have been underachieving for decades)
It definitely is good to see Derry back
Definitely some Derry link with seafoid. Not sure what it is though.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on January 31, 2024, 04:24:55 PMI see some Tyrone people bragging about their 4 All Ireland's on Facebook. Something must have upset them. Humility is a positive human trait. Apparently they "even won one without Mickey Harte".
Tyrone's facebook is full of head the balls, every county has them. Ours congregate on Facebook
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on January 31, 2024, 04:24:55 PMI see some Tyrone people bragging about their 4 All Ireland's on Facebook. Something must have upset them. Humility is a positive human trait. Apparently they "even won one without Mickey Harte".
You ok?
I hear that Tyrone's appeal against Sundays red card was thrown out.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2024, 12:11:05 AMI hear that Tyrone's appeal against Sundays red card was thrown out.
Should have got Logan on the job!
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2024, 12:11:05 AMI hear that Tyrone's appeal against Sundays red card was thrown out.
That must be a GAA first.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2024, 12:11:05 AMI hear that Tyrone's appeal against Sundays red card was thrown out.
That's a surprise.
Honestly thought at the time it was a yellow card and he had been sent off on a second yellow.
On that basis I thought it was fair, but I'm not sure it was a straight red.
Was it him was sent off against Derry for kicking? Last year or year before maybe?
I wanted to keep a log of all this years decisions that go against Tyrone but the junta that runs this board deleted the thread. Yet another example of the Anti Tyrone bias across the GAA.
Wasn't that red for hitting someone in the handbags after.
McCormack, our no 7, got a yellow after it too.
Quote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 10:17:28 AMI wanted to keep a log of all this years decisions that go against Tyrone but the junta that runs this board deleted the thread. Yet another example of the Anti Tyrone bias across the GAA.
"THE JUNTA"
You could stage a coup.
Not one of those bloodless varieties, keep it interesting.
I've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
Quote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 10:17:28 AMI wanted to keep a log of all this years decisions that go against Tyrone but the junta that runs this board deleted the thread. Yet another example of the Anti Tyrone bias across the GAA.
Was wondering where that thread went to. Actually is a good idea to keep a record of all strange decisions throughout the year for all teams
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
That's a disgrace of a red card and 100% should have been overturned. Typical when theres actually an appeal that had merit it failed
Quote from: Estimator on February 02, 2024, 11:14:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
What is strange is the first player who jumped in to push conn should have been given a red for becoming the 3 man. At the end there were 3 men pushing conn
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 02, 2024, 11:49:13 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 02, 2024, 11:14:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
What is strange is the first player who jumped in to push conn should have been given a red for becoming the 3 man. At the end there were 3 men pushing conn
Ah come on
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 02, 2024, 11:49:13 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 02, 2024, 11:14:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
What is strange is the first player who jumped in to push conn should have been given a red for becoming the 3 man. At the end there were 3 men pushing conn
This is what Tyrone player got the line for against Armagh. The GAA and referees aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When Dublin and Kerry kicked the shite out of each other last year it was held up as men going toe to toe with no quarter given. But If Tyrone is involved it is disgraceful unsavoury scenes that have no place in our game.
Kilpatrick's red card - An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComortaisí took Disciplinary Action against Conn Mac Giolla Phádraig, alleging a breach of Riail 7.2 (b), Category III, T.O. 2023, that is to say, "Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent".
Just watch this weekend and let's see how many times players from other counties are sent off for this infraction.
f**king scandalous.
Was the Tyrone players not given reds against us for dangerous neck high moves in the bit of handbags that day? Not that I thought any of them were even close to a red card in fairness to ye.
Quote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 11:58:28 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 02, 2024, 11:49:13 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 02, 2024, 11:14:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
What is strange is the first player who jumped in to push conn should have been given a red for becoming the 3 man. At the end there were 3 men pushing conn
This is what Tyrone player got the line for against Armagh. The GAA and referees aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When Dublin and Kerry kicked the shite out of each other last year it was held up as men going toe to toe with no quarter given. But If Tyrone is involved it is disgraceful unsavoury scenes that have no place in our game.
Kilpatrick's red card - An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComortaisí took Disciplinary Action against Conn Mac Giolla Phádraig, alleging a breach of Riail 7.2 (b), Category III, T.O. 2023, that is to say, "Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent".
Just watch this weekend and let's see how many times players from other counties are sent off for this infraction.
f**king scandalous.
Spot on, the usual bullsh*t Tyrone have to contend with, it's far from paranoia and at this stage not even surprising anymore! We may live in hope that Gough doesn't manage to pass this fitness test for he's well past his biannual due date to dish us out another few suspensions...
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2024, 10:31:32 AMWasn't that red for hitting someone in the handbags after.
McCormack, our no 7, got a yellow after it too.
McCormack didn't get a yellow. It was Michael McKernan got the yellow.
Him and Kilpatrick must have been hitting each other 🙄
Quote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 11:58:28 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 02, 2024, 11:49:13 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 02, 2024, 11:14:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
What is strange is the first player who jumped in to push conn should have been given a red for becoming the 3 man. At the end there were 3 men pushing conn
This is what Tyrone player got the line for against Armagh. The GAA and referees aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When Dublin and Kerry kicked the shite out of each other last year it was held up as men going toe to toe with no quarter given. But If Tyrone is involved it is disgraceful unsavoury scenes that have no place in our game.
Kilpatrick's red card - An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComortaisí took Disciplinary Action against Conn Mac Giolla Phádraig, alleging a breach of Riail 7.2 (b), Category III, T.O. 2023, that is to say, "Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent".
Just watch this weekend and let's see how many times players from other counties are sent off for this infraction.
f**king scandalous.
https://www.rte.ie/player/series/saturday-gaa-live/10001784-00-0000?epguid=IH10003532-24-0001
Go to 43.24 ( or 16.52 on Game Clock) if you can stomach the RTE player
same type of tackle IMO .. thou tackler had more time to 'line' it up .
Never would consider either a red or even worthy of a yellow on there own
Quote from: Dabh on February 02, 2024, 12:20:07 PMQuote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 11:58:28 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 02, 2024, 11:49:13 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 02, 2024, 11:14:56 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2024, 10:38:40 AMI've read this a few times but I'd have thought if this was the case TV cameras would have caught it and it'd have been replayed but I didn't see it?
There was a short replay of the afters before he was given the red, looked like a bit of a schmozzle between Conn and a couple of players, but wasn't really conclusive either. Would've need to see it a few times to make out what actually happened.
https://www.tg4.ie/en/player/categories/sport-tv-player/play/?pid=6345776284112&title=T%C3%ADr%20Eoghain%20v%20Ros%20Com%C3%A1in&series=GAA%20Beo&genre=Sport&pcode=682043
Go to 1:08.30
Handbags. Nothing more, but the linesman is there with a good view as well, have to think whatever he said had an impact on the red card.
What is strange is the first player who jumped in to push conn should have been given a red for becoming the 3 man. At the end there were 3 men pushing conn
This is what Tyrone player got the line for against Armagh. The GAA and referees aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When Dublin and Kerry kicked the shite out of each other last year it was held up as men going toe to toe with no quarter given. But If Tyrone is involved it is disgraceful unsavoury scenes that have no place in our game.
Kilpatrick's red card - An Lár Choiste Cheannais na gComortaisí took Disciplinary Action against Conn Mac Giolla Phádraig, alleging a breach of Riail 7.2 (b), Category III, T.O. 2023, that is to say, "Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent".
Just watch this weekend and let's see how many times players from other counties are sent off for this infraction.
f**king scandalous.
https://www.rte.ie/player/series/saturday-gaa-live/10001784-00-0000?epguid=IH10003532-24-0001
Go to 43.24 ( or 16.52 on Game Clock) if you can stomach the RTE player
same type of tackle IMO .. thou tackler had more time to 'line' it up .
Never would consider either a red or even worthy of a yellow on there own
There you go.
What does this even mean? "Behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent" Surely every single contact is dangerous to an opponent? Regardless if it is meant. Hitting someone anywhere on their body could endanger them.
I'm expecting an absolute avalanche of red cards this weekend.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 02, 2024, 12:03:54 PMWas the Tyrone players not given reds against us for dangerous neck high moves in the bit of handbags that day? Not that I thought any of them were even close to a red card in fairness to ye.
No at that time the 4 tyrone men where red carded due to contributing to melee I.e 3rd man in.
It is ridiculous however going by that Armagh/tyrone game the Roscommon lad should have gotten a red for 3rd man jn
Seeing as the Junta who control this board have censored my topic on Tyrone injustices, we are left with no choice but to completely disrupt the flow on this topic by highlighting everything here.
I do laugh when I hear talk about bringing in new rules to "save" gaelic football.
You can't get 2 refs to call a game consistently never mind bringing in more rules.
Focus on getting the refs to apply the rules correctly. This is no cheap shot at refs however everyone can see game in game out the vast differences in application of the current rules
Holy fcuk, this thread is brilliant atm. It's like a wranglers / tucked in lumberjack shirt wearing support group. Keep her going
In real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:32:24 PMIn real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
Well if you say so. Lets just see how many reds are handed out over the weekend for similar tackle.
As for your line about giving the ref a decision to make... that is literally the f**king job of the referee. In your world nobody on the field should ever make a challenge or have a shot on goal. f**k sake.
Quote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 02:45:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:32:24 PMIn real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
Well if you say so. Lets just see how many reds are handed out over the weekend for similar tackle.
As for your line about giving the ref a decision to make... that is literally the f**king job of the referee. In your world nobody on the field should ever make a challenge or have a shot on goal. f**k sake.
I'll talk you through it slowly
You can only tackle the ball
shoulder on shoulder is the only physical challenge in the games (via rule book)
High dangerous tackles (like this one) based on the ref's view of it can be a red card, he consulted his linesman who possibly agreed with him.
To turn it around, its the job of a player to tackle properly not like some goat on the loose from his pen
The ref did his job and his decision was to send him off for a daft reckless challenge
Another ref might have deemed it so, but even after the appeal it was deemed a red.
Move on..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:54:53 PMQuote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 02:45:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:32:24 PMIn real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
Well if you say so. Lets just see how many reds are handed out over the weekend for similar tackle.
As for your line about giving the ref a decision to make... that is literally the f**king job of the referee. In your world nobody on the field should ever make a challenge or have a shot on goal. f**k sake.
I'll talk you through it slowly
You can only tackle the ball
shoulder on shoulder is the only physical challenge in the games (via rule book)
High dangerous tackles (like this one) based on the ref's view of it can be a red card, he consulted his linesman who possibly agreed with him.
To turn it around, its the job of a player to tackle properly not like some goat on the loose from his pen
The ref did his job and his decision was to send him off for a daft reckless challenge
Another ref might have deemed it so, but even after the appeal it was deemed a red.
Move on..
Ok lets see how it goes this weekend.
Also I won't "move on"
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:32:24 PMIn real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
;D
That should definately be added to the rule book.
If you do something stupid, straight red. Brillaint!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:54:53 PMQuote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 02:45:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:32:24 PMIn real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
Well if you say so. Lets just see how many reds are handed out over the weekend for similar tackle.
As for your line about giving the ref a decision to make... that is literally the f**king job of the referee. In your world nobody on the field should ever make a challenge or have a shot on goal. f**k sake.
I'll talk you through it slowly
You can only tackle the ball
shoulder on shoulder is the only physical challenge in the games (via rule book)
High dangerous tackles (like this one) based on the ref's view of it can be a red card, he consulted his linesman who possibly agreed with him.
To turn it around, its the job of a player to tackle properly not like some goat on the loose from his pen
The ref did his job and his decision was to send him off for a daft reckless challenge
Another ref might have deemed it so, but even after the appeal it was deemed a red.
Move on..
This, unless 3 or 4 men are slapping the fcuk out of the man in possession at the same time, then, it's a free for over carrying. It's in the rule book (I'm assuming)
Quote from: JoG2 on February 02, 2024, 05:45:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:54:53 PMQuote from: trailer on February 02, 2024, 02:45:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2024, 02:32:24 PMIn real time it looks like a red, in slow mo it looks like a harsh red or a lucky yellow. The reality is he shouldn't have given the referee a decision to make, completely reckless with absolutely no intention to play the ball, high tackle also. And in their defence, not when they were making a break or counter...
Should be a red just for being stupid
Well if you say so. Lets just see how many reds are handed out over the weekend for similar tackle.
As for your line about giving the ref a decision to make... that is literally the f**king job of the referee. In your world nobody on the field should ever make a challenge or have a shot on goal. f**k sake.
I'll talk you through it slowly
You can only tackle the ball
shoulder on shoulder is the only physical challenge in the games (via rule book)
High dangerous tackles (like this one) based on the ref's view of it can be a red card, he consulted his linesman who possibly agreed with him.
To turn it around, its the job of a player to tackle properly not like some goat on the loose from his pen
The ref did his job and his decision was to send him off for a daft reckless challenge
Another ref might have deemed it so, but even after the appeal it was deemed a red.
Move on..
This, unless 3 or 4 men are slapping the fcuk out of the man in possession at the same time, then, it's a free for over carrying. It's in the rule book (I'm assuming)
If they are attempting to slap the ball out of the hand that's ok, if they are slapping the player or dragging his arm, it's a foul.
Look, and it's very simple. If referees blew for every 'foul' people would stop playing and watching.
My perception, your perception as a fan/supporter will always be different. There's only one person though with the whistle, whether he's correct or not doesn't matter at the time, it's called and dealt with, so while trailer doesn't want to move on, there really is no other option.
I've watched this incident a few times and the ref didn't do much wrong. One attempt to see it, made a judgement and sent him off. Don't watch these things in slow mo, watch it at the same speed and make a call, 9 times outta ten there might be a different call.
The ref from the hurling club final is still getting online abuse, he didn't have his best game I'll admit that but the players made the game tetchy which doesn't help
Mayo team to play Dublin tomorrow
Colm Reape
Jack Coyne
Rory Brickenden
Sam Callinan
Paddy Durcan
David McBrien
Eoghan McLaughlin
Jordan Flynn
Jack Carney
Conor Reid
Fergal Boland
Bob Tuohy
Aidan O'Shea
Paul Towey
Ryan O'Donoghue
Injury bug continues to spread. No Comer again and no Shane Walsh.
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Jack O'Connor bringing back the Cliffords earlier than planned, feck sake
If Mickey wants to give Tyrone a trimming, he will.
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2024, 10:55:41 PMIf Mickey wants to give Tyrone a trimming, he will.
Won't be Mickey giving Tyrone a trimming, it will be Derry, same team who gave them a trimming the last few years.
Quote from: Rawhide on February 02, 2024, 11:36:53 PMQuote from: ONeill on February 02, 2024, 10:55:41 PMIf Mickey wants to give Tyrone a trimming, he will.
Won't be Mickey giving Tyrone a trimming, it will be Derry, same team who gave them a trimming the last few years.
Championship two years ago.. McKenna Cup final only other meeting.. other McKenna Cup game was a draw
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2024, 10:48:15 PMInjury bug continues to spread. No Comer again and no Shane Walsh.
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A Galway team selected not to concede a big score with naming 8 defenders and three midfielders. Roscommon have only made one change to the team that lost Tyrone. Enda Smith back from suspension and they have a lot of first choice players missing.
What is it about Derry needing Tyrone-related men to win things?
Lads. Don't bite. Lads. LADS. come on. Let's go. We see him again. LADS. I SAID LETS GO
"ya cross eyed basturts"
The reality is that if you win something this year, t'was a Tyrone man that won it for ya. And if you win nothin, even Mickey couldn't sort you's out. It's win win for Tyronies!!
Jez, RTE selling Mayo - Dublin as a ''RIVALRY''.
Never was a more false therm for the meeting of these two.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2024, 10:48:15 PMInjury bug continues to spread. No Comer again and no Shane Walsh.
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5 Gaeltacht clubs represented.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2024, 07:29:21 PMJez, RTE selling Mayo - Dublin as a ''RIVALRY''.
Never was a more false therm for the meeting of these two.
More like trauma bonding, in fairness. Mayo were shafted by the GAA when they needed a team to play Dublin in those finals.
Well to be honest,even though they lost. They were the only team to put it up to them.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2024, 07:45:12 PMWell to be honest,even though they lost. They were the only team to put it out to them.
Kerry did also both themselves and Mayo had the winning of matches against Dublin something that seems to never get mentioned about Dublins six in a row.
Five - two, snoozefest so far; handpass handpass handpass recycle - unwatchable really
No red for O'se punching the Dub there. What does our professor of Refs say about that that.
Quote from: trailer on February 03, 2024, 07:55:21 PMNo red for O'se punching the Dub there. What does our professor of Refs say about that that.
He was very lucky there.
0-6 each now in MacHale Park 27 minutes played.
Going from the cheers - the Dubs have travelled in their numbers! ;D
Probably saving their Money for the days out in Croke Park in the Summer.
Half time Mayo 0-8 Dublin 0-8
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2024, 08:02:09 PMGoing from the cheers - the Dubs have travelled in their numbers! ;D
Probably saving their Money for the days out in Croke Park in the Summer.
It's not easy with so many away games in the league and the expense of diesel and the road tolls; can't stay over as no hotels due to the "immigration crisis"
Quote from: trailer on February 03, 2024, 07:55:21 PMNo red for O'se punching the Dub there. What does our professor of Refs say about that that.
Stick it up there. Not watching, I'll give you answer when I see it ;)
1st half stats
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Quote from: pjm on February 03, 2024, 08:10:01 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2024, 08:02:09 PMGoing from the cheers - the Dubs have travelled in their numbers! ;D
Probably saving their Money for the days out in Croke Park in the Summer.
It's not easy with so many away games in the league and the expense of diesel and the road tolls; can't stay over as no hotels due to the "immigration crisis"
4 max away games. Plenty of hotel availability in and around Castlebar. No Air BnB's in Mayo?
Dublins mcenaney looks solid. Need a bit more from their FF line
Quote from: JoG2 on February 03, 2024, 08:16:17 PMQuote from: pjm on February 03, 2024, 08:10:01 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2024, 08:02:09 PMGoing from the cheers - the Dubs have travelled in their numbers! ;D
Probably saving their Money for the days out in Croke Park in the Summer.
It's not easy with so many away games in the league and the expense of diesel and the road tolls; can't stay over as no hotels due to the "immigration crisis"
4 max away games. Plenty of hotel availability in and around Castlebar. No Air BnB's in Mayo?
In fairness the Dublin supporters in Castlebar will helps the local economy immensely this evening.
Quote from: trailer on February 03, 2024, 07:55:21 PMNo red for O'se punching the Dub there. What does our professor of Refs say about that that.
sneaky blow. lucky it wasnt seen
How is Ger Canning still in a job? GAA supporters deserve better.
45 mins played Dublin three in front. They were leading by two points at this stage in the game v Monaghan last weekend
Mayo getting their frees a lot easier than the Dubs are... you love to see it!
Ah keeper, very poor
Mayo goal out of nothing, not the best of goal keeping. 1-9 to 0-11 53 mins played.
Quote from: screenexile on February 03, 2024, 08:42:55 PMMayo getting their frees a lot easier than the Dubs are... you love to see it!
Easy frees cancelled by O Shea insisting he is the freetaker
60 minutes played level again 1-10 to 0-13
Kilkenny needs to learn to kick scores again. Con needs to be inside also
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 03, 2024, 08:55:14 PMKilkenny needs to learn to kick scores again. Con needs to be inside also
that was a bad miss there
Two big misses from Cillian O'Connor there and Dublin with a bad wide. Into 4 mins added time level game.
How on earth did Dublin not get a point out of that attack
Both teams butchering easy chances
FT Mayo 1-12 Dublin 0-14. Fergal Boland the match winner in the 4th minute of added time
What was Murphy at there he was running away from goal!
Silly silly free to give away at the end there
Clever winner by Mayo.
2 shocking calls against Dublin in last 30 seconds. Clear 45 missed by blind umpire and the softest free in at other end
Mayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:08:07 PM2 shocking calls against Dublin in last 30 seconds. Clear 45 missed by blind umpire and the softest free in at other end
Maybe on the 45 but the last one was a blatant push and he'd no need to do it!
There were plenty of other soft calls that went Mayo's way though.
Dubs should never have lost that. Jordan Flynn is some man for ballooning a ball wide.
People shouldn't be too hard on the Dubs, it's a tough step up from Division 2 to Division 1
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:08:07 PM2 shocking calls against Dublin in last 30 seconds. Clear 45 missed by blind umpire and the softest free in at other end
The free was clever, in front of ball dip it and get he touch, go over it's a simple free
Not so sure on the "clear last touch" from the Mayo defender as O'Gara's foot was there as well and we couldn't see from behind. Given he's every bit the donkey his brother was, I imagine he likely touched it.
Despite mayo winning there was a bit of a combination of Dublin's defense being impressive and mayo's attack being poor. O'Connor still needed for mayo. Conroy adds a lot of directness which helps but honestly on that I couldn't see mayo being challengers at the business end without a serious improvement in attack.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 03, 2024, 09:03:06 PMTwo big misses from Cillian O'Connor there and Dublin with a bad wide. Into 4 mins added time level game.
Three. He kicked one left and short about a minute prior to the free. Dropped the free short and then stuck the recycled back wide.
Dublin player sticking the fisted ball wide was the worst of the lot
It probably was a foul on o'donoghue but he went down so easy you would have wanted him not to get it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
Was never a foul.
Love mayo all same.
80% of football is unwatchable muck. Of the remaining 20%, mayo feature in just about all of it.
Love Mayo.
Quote from: Schkite on February 03, 2024, 09:10:38 PMPeople shouldn't be too hard on the Dubs, it's a tough step up from Division 2 to Division 1
That and being expected to play a game outside Croke Park.
Blatant foul. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves. Beat his man, went to dip the ball and was pushed on the back/hip. Stupid defending.
I don't think Mc Ginley know what the square ball rule is.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
Ball would be in Dublins hands but for that free.
Quote from: marty34 on February 03, 2024, 09:21:52 PMI don't think Mc Ginley know what the square ball rule is.
?
On replay he said that player was outside square when ball was kicked, fair goal.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:22:25 PMBall would be in Dublins hands but for that free.
Shouldn't have fouled him then.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
You're a ref, is that actually in the rulebook or is it some secret referee union rule that you've brought in?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:22:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
Ball would be in Dublins hands but for that free.
How would it be in their hands? Ref blew game stopped.. daft
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:26:30 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
You're a ref, is that actually in the rulebook or is it some secret referee union rule that you've brought in?
Tell me, contact on player dipping a ball isn't given? He came from behind, he dipped the ball and there was contact on his back..
You played before?
Quote from: marty34 on February 03, 2024, 09:21:52 PMI don't think Mc Ginley know what the square ball rule is.
Did you see a replay yet?
Quote from: thewobbler on February 03, 2024, 09:37:26 PMQuote from: marty34 on February 03, 2024, 09:21:52 PMI don't think Mc Ginley know what the square ball rule is.
Did you see a replay yet?
Kicks the ball player enters square goal?
Losing the O'Byrne Cup final has sapped the Dubs' confidence.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:33:53 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:26:30 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
You're a ref, is that actually in the rulebook or is it some secret referee union rule that you've brought in?
Tell me, contact on player dipping a ball isn't given? He came from behind, he dipped the ball and there was contact on his back..
You played before?
No never played before. So any contact on a player, no matter how light is a free? Or is it just when you're "dipping".
It was a free, very clever one and he played for it.Minute the man put his hands out on his back, Mayo lad went down.
Yer watching too much soccer
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:31:45 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:22:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
Ball would be in Dublins hands but for that free.
How would it be in their hands? Ref blew game stopped.. daft
No free given it would be Dublin in possession. Also no 45 given just before that free. Mayo kick out instead and the winning score came from it.
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:40:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:33:53 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:26:30 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
You're a ref, is that actually in the rulebook or is it some secret referee union rule that you've brought in?
Tell me, contact on player dipping a ball isn't given? He came from behind, he dipped the ball and there was contact on his back..
You played before?
No never played before. So any contact on a player, no matter how light is a free? Or is it just when you're "dipping".
Tell me the only physical contact allowed.. that's an easy one
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:43:48 PMNo free given it would be Dublin in possession. Also no 45 given just before that free. Mayo kick out instead and the winning score came from it.
Blah blah blah and 20 mins earlier Fenton blatantly fouled O'Shea in front of the posts and got away with it. Point for Mayo.
On second thoughts, O'Shea would likely have taken the free himself and stuck it wide.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 03, 2024, 09:18:13 PMWas never a foul.
Love mayo all same.
80% of football is unwatchable muck. Of the remaining 20%, mayo feature in just about all of it.
Love Mayo.
Wasn't a very loveable Mayo performance tonight. Got the win thanks to a little bit of luck at the end and Dublin leaving the win or at least a draw behind them.
Mayo don't have many first teamers to return so were nearly full strength tonight. Dublin still have old guard of Fitzsimmons, McCarthy,Cluxton, Mannion to return yet and had no Murchan, Howard tonight either.
The goal was against the run of play.
O'Shea should have been sent off.
Last free was never a free.
How did anyone expect Dublin to perform without a fans and having to travel.
Mayo are useless and will beat no one (in the final).
The stripes om Mayo Jerseys are silly.
Now got all of that out of the way.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 03, 2024, 09:55:41 PMQuote from: thewobbler on February 03, 2024, 09:18:13 PMWas never a foul.
Love mayo all same.
80% of football is unwatchable muck. Of the remaining 20%, mayo feature in just about all of it.
Love Mayo.
Wasn't a very loveable Mayo performance tonight. Got the win thanks to a little bit of luck at the end and Dublin leaving the win or at least a draw behind them.
Mayo don't have many first teamers to return so were nearly full strength tonight. Dublin still have old guard of Fitzsimmons, McCarthy,Cluxton, Mannion to return yet and had no Murchan, Howard tonight either.
Agreed on all counts.
Except... Matty Ruane is absent for whatever reason (hopefully he will come back as a forward), so is Enda Hession, and so is Diarmuid O'Connor, who's possibly Mayo's best player. Certainly among the most influential. Tommy Goals only played 15-20 too.
Look football history tells us that James McCarthy cancels the whole lot of that out.
But the best thing that will ever happen to football is Mayo winning an all Ireland, playing football the right way.
Pray make it happen.
Dublin will be heading home wondering how the hell they lost that game. Lucky enough goal and soft free at the end got mayo the 2pts. The refereeing decisions in games are so inconsistent as O'Shea was fouled 5-10 mins before that and got nothing, then got a soft free immediately afterwards like he was making up for his mistake. Still a decent game for start of February with 2 good teams who will be there or thereabouts when the medals are handed out👏
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2024, 09:42:10 PMIt was a free, very clever one and he played for it.Minute the man put his hands out on his back, Mayo lad went down.
You could see the free coming before the players even reached the ball. Any county player in that position is going to bend over the ball, slow up a second to try and invite contact, and go down as soon as they feel it. And get the free every time, because you can't push a player as they're bending over the ball.
A small bit of trivia in the Match program for tonight's game.
Dessie Farrell and Seamus Coleman are 1st cousins (their mothers are sisters).
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Quote from: Schkite on February 03, 2024, 09:04:19 PMHow on earth did Dublin not get a point out of that attack
probably cos they didn't get the same total as Mayo
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2024, 10:33:26 PMA small bit of trivia in the Match program for tonight's game.
Dessie Farrell and Seamus Coleman are 1st cousins (their mothers are sisters).
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Didn't know that.
I think it's well known that Dessie's mother is from the Glencolumbkille/Carrick area.
Ah lads we've been hearing it for years ffs.
Re: Tyrone v Derry
Does anyone know of a radio station / radio stream that'll likely have this on? Will be at match and want to pick up a commentary. Not sure if it'll be on BBC Radio Ulster or not. Radio Kerry practically seems to have every Kerry game on, and it's a grand job. I long for the days of Q101.2 and Paddy Hunter!! That was some set up while it lasted . TIA
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:40:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:33:53 PMQuote from: Itchy on February 03, 2024, 09:26:30 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:17:33 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2024, 09:13:14 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2024, 09:09:18 PMMayo got away with a 45 at the end, clear last touch by a Mayo player
Hard to believe it wasn't given as a 45. Pure dive by Ryan O'Donoghue for the last free.
Doesn't matter, he was in front of defender, dipped was touched and went over... easiest free you'll win. We teach our kids dip the ball you'll win a free!
The free didn't win it either, Dublin fell asleep and it was a clever pass that won it.
You're a ref, is that actually in the rulebook or is it some secret referee union rule that you've brought in?
Tell me, contact on player dipping a ball isn't given? He came from behind, he dipped the ball and there was contact on his back..
You played before?
No never played before. So any contact on a player, no matter how light is a free? Or is it just when you're "dipping".
I was always taught you can't touch a man when he's bending down to pick up the ball. Any contact and its a foul. Silly free to give away and even sillier to go asleep and leave a free man to put it over.
Shane McGuigan with a carbon copy Kilpatrick challenge. High and out of control. Free. No card.
Tell me again how referees don't discriminate against Tyrone.
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:06:34 PMShane McGuigan with a carbon copy Kilpatrick challenge. High and out of control. Free. No card.
Tell me again how referees don't discriminate against Tyrone.
Definitely a yellow card
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:06:34 PMShane McGuigan with a carbon copy Kilpatrick challenge. High and out of control. Free. No card.
Tell me again how referees don't discriminate against Tyrone.
Start another thread on it sure!
Derry butchering this breeze Tyrone will be much happier so far. Not engaging Tyrone attacks far enough out.
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 04:10:30 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:06:34 PMShane McGuigan with a carbon copy Kilpatrick challenge. High and out of control. Free. No card.
Tell me again how referees don't discriminate against Tyrone.
Start another thread on it sure!
The Junta won't allow it
I must conform.
Heard that the ref's have a WhatsApp group to discuss ways of discriminate against Tyrone...
The diving gene obviously doesn't skip a generation then...
Diving Canavan. Just lay down
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 04:13:02 PMThe diving gene obviously doesn't skip a generation then...
In fairness the defender had no reason to be all over him
Soft free
Think Tyrone playing the better football. Glass hasn't touched leather! Oso was right
Doire definitely not sharp today
Tyrone very inefficient, but yet not too far behind.
This is an absolutely brutal watch.
Quote from: gallsman on February 04, 2024, 04:23:44 PMThis is an absolutely brutal watch.
Try being at it. Can't believe there weren't at least 5 mins added time given Morgan's antics.
That's a 7/8 point breeze Tyrone should win handy from here. Derry far too passive with Tyrone's attacks trying to let the wind do the work rather than engaging pay the 45.
Ref has let a lot of nailed on frees go for both sides so can't complain much about that.
It's brutal but it would be hard to play decent football in these conditions.
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 04:26:36 PMQuote from: gallsman on February 04, 2024, 04:23:44 PMThis is an absolutely brutal watch.
Try being at it. Can't believe there weren't at least 5 mins added time given Morgan's antics.
That's a 7/8 point breeze Tyrone should win handy from here. Derry far too passive with Tyrone's attacks trying to let the wind do the work rather than engaging pay the 45.
Ref has let a lot of nailed on frees go for both sides so can't complain much about that.
It's brutal but it would be hard to play decent football in these conditions.
If Tyrone could shoot maybe. Cow's arse and banjo atm
That wasn't wide
Another shocker from umpires. They do know its the ball that has to be out?
Tyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 04, 2024, 04:55:49 PMAnother shocker from umpires. They do know its the ball that has to be out?
Shocker from the ref missing the off the ball shoulder to take out a tyrone player right before the goal
Tyrone FF line is brutal today. Canavan is having every bit the awful game to last week's brilliant one. McGuigan not too much better at the other end.
Tyrone hanging on now. Men v boys
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
He
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
He didnt he ignored the tyrone olayer being took out immediately before it. Clear as day
Quote from: bennydorano on February 04, 2024, 04:57:43 PMTyrone hanging on now. Men v boys
Not even doing that now.
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
20min now with the wind now in 2nd half and still not scored.
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 04:26:36 PMQuote from: gallsman on February 04, 2024, 04:23:44 PMThis is an absolutely brutal watch.
Try being at it. Can't believe there weren't at least 5 mins added time given Morgan's antics.
That's a 7/8 point breeze Tyrone should win handy from here. Derry far too passive with Tyrone's attacks trying to let the wind do the work rather than engaging pay the 45.
Ref has let a lot of nailed on frees go for both sides so can't complain much about that.
It's brutal but it would be hard to play decent football in these conditions.
This isn't aging well.... and if the umpire wasn't blind it would be worse for tyrone
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 05:00:33 PMHe
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
Haven't scored second half but it's the ref's fault
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
He didnt he ignored the tyrone olayer being took out immediately before it. Clear as day
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
Umpire gave it out. He's a better view than us. Especially you in Belfast.
Some butchering of chances on both sides but Derry should be out if sight.
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 05:03:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
Umpire gave it out. He's a better view than us. Especially you in Belfast.
I don't live in Belfast.. but carry on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 05:07:51 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 05:03:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
Lucky for you cause it's a shithole.
Think Canavan needs to raped before the ref will give him a free.
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
Umpire gave it out. He's a better view than us. Especially you in Belfast.
I don't live in Belfast.. but carry on
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 05:07:51 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 05:03:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 04:59:13 PMQuote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 04:56:11 PMTyrone very poor shooting.
Ref giving Derry all the decisions. Has completely ignored the over carrying rule.
Lucky for you cause it's a shithole.
Think Canavan needs to raped before the ref will give him a free.
He disallowed a clear goal for Derry, he's doing alright
Umpire gave it out. He's a better view than us. Especially you in Belfast.
I don't live in Belfast.. but carry on
And Tyrone is lovely :-*
Morgan's confidence far exceeds his ability
And up steps Glass!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 05:15:39 PMAnd up steps Glass!
dont think he meant it but they all count
What a goal lol. Bad attempt at a point
Quote from: straightred on February 04, 2024, 05:16:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2024, 05:15:39 PMAnd up steps Glass!
dont think he meant it but they all count
Put it on target is all you can do
Makes up for the umpires mistake
Jesus we're a far better team against the breeze than with it!!
We turned it on for 10mins there and it was game over. Tyrone have a lot of soul searching to do that second half was an aberration!!
Maybe trailer should start a thread about that?
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 05:21:30 PMJesus we're a far better team against the breeze than with it!!
We turned it on for 10mins there and it was game over. Tyrone have a lot of soul searching to do that second half was an aberration!!
Maybe trailer should start a thread about that?
All Irelands aren't won in February
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 05:21:30 PMJesus we're a far better team against the breeze than with it!!
We turned it on for 10mins there and it was game over. Tyrone have a lot of soul searching to do that second half was an aberration!!
Maybe trailer should start a thread about that?
All Irelands aren't won in February
This is new information ;D
Good second half performance, especially the defense. Young Murphy showed well today. Tyrones shooting definitely helped us.
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 04, 2024, 05:26:31 PMGood second half performance, especially the defense. Young Murphy showed well today. Tyrones shooting definitely helped us.
Lol glad we could help
Quote from: trailer on February 04, 2024, 05:23:48 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 04, 2024, 05:21:30 PMJesus we're a far better team against the breeze than with it!!
We turned it on for 10mins there and it was game over. Tyrone have a lot of soul searching to do that second half was an aberration!!
Maybe trailer should start a thread about that?
All Irelands aren't won in February
I'm well aware!!!
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 05:28:49 PMLol glad we could help
Lol. I suspect youse won't be as obliging come the Summer!
Derry need sort out the right foot free taker, easy one missed today due to this, a man who can consistently score 45, learn Conor McCloskey to actually shoot (He was in position to score 3 pts from close enough range)Reserve keeper nowhere near as good as Bradley from Glen as Back up.When McGuigan has a bad game he really does, no in-between. Derry still need a target man to slot in between McGuigan and Murphy.
Brolly claiming that was what Glass intended with that shot for a point. Of course he did Joe ::)
Quote from: square_ball on February 04, 2024, 05:51:18 PMBrolly claiming that was what Glass intended with that shot for a point. Of course he did Joe ::)
Nobody cares what Brolly says anymore about anything.
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2024, 06:19:12 PMQuote from: square_ball on February 04, 2024, 05:51:18 PMBrolly claiming that was what Glass intended with that shot for a point. Of course he did Joe ::)
Nobody cares what Brolly says anymore about anything.
The man is an embarrassment to Derry. A simpleton
Quote from: OakLeaf on February 04, 2024, 05:34:25 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 04, 2024, 05:28:49 PMLol glad we could help
Lol. I suspect youse won't be as obliging come the Summer!
To be honest I would be expecting the same result in the summer.
Can't even see them meeting, Donegal might ping Derry,Monaghan might be favourites to beat Tyrone.
The league is the league and is the place for trying lads out but I thought Tyrone looked really young and inexperienced, definite whiff of a team that has a couple of years of frustration & rebuilding ahead of them.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 04, 2024, 06:28:30 PMThe league is the league and is the place for trying lads out but I thought Tyrone looked really young and inexperienced, definite whiff of a team that has a couple of years of frustration & rebuilding ahead of them.
That's because they are?
They were well beat, and Derry weren't much today, Just about average.Both teams must missed 15+pts combined, and Derry should had the ball in the net 3 times.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2024, 05:47:40 PMDerry need sort out the right foot free taker, easy one missed today due to this, a man who can consistently score 45, learn Conor McCloskey to actually shoot (He was in position to score 3 pts from close enough range)Reserve keeper nowhere near as good as Bradley from Glen as Back up.When McGuigan has a bad game he really does, no in-between. Derry still need a target man to slot in between McGuigan and Murphy.
Jesus WW you have to be one of the most negative supporters I've come across.
Quote from: HiMucker on February 04, 2024, 06:52:49 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2024, 05:47:40 PMDerry need sort out the right foot free taker, easy one missed today due to this, a man who can consistently score 45, learn Conor McCloskey to actually shoot (He was in position to score 3 pts from close enough range)Reserve keeper nowhere near as good as Bradley from Glen as Back up.When McGuigan has a bad game he really does, no in-between. Derry still need a target man to slot in between McGuigan and Murphy.
Jesus WW you have to be one of the most negative supporters I've come across.
I've never said this before..........
But HiMucker is right
Not negative, can see what's in front of me!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2024, 05:47:40 PMDerry need sort out the right foot free taker, easy one missed today due to this, a man who can consistently score 45, learn Conor McCloskey to actually shoot (He was in position to score 3 pts from close enough range)Reserve keeper nowhere near as good as Bradley from Glen as Back up.When McGuigan has a bad game he really does, no in-between. Derry still need a target man to slot in between McGuigan and Murphy.
I'd say that's the first scoreable free McGuigan has missed this year. Toner has also hit a few from that side but doesn't always start
Shane McGuigan, all star footballer, probably in the top 3 forwards in the country misses a free, that he scores 19 times out of 20 and we suddenly need a left sided free taker? He's not handing that one over to anyone to hit. Plenty of boys there that could have knocked it over as well.
Derry cruised through that without really getting out of 2nd gear.
Conditions for shooting were awful, it was actually easier shooting into the terraced end than the changing room end, unless the ball went high. That end was fully sheltered from the wind at pitch level. So I wouldn't read much into all the wides for both teams.
The 2 canavans started that game dragging and pulling and fouling and got away with it and the umpires at the terrace end were awful.
Constantly shouting out at players. The disallowed goal was not out, man was over the end line but ball was in. I was right beside it. Goal should have stood. But our full back line totally snuffed them out.
Morgan made a terrific save from cassidy and I thought his kickouts were good, was prob in contention for tyrones best player. But in general, Tyrone were poor. None of their experienced players stood up in my opinion.
For Derry, I thought we dominated almost every position.
Mcloskey has improved since kerry.
Murphy looks a real talent. Paul cassidy much improved.
I thought Niall O had a terrific game, some work rate and tackling....mcfaul too.
We should have had about 3 more goals.
Biggest concern is injuries. Glass was hobbling. Lynch injured, looks like hamstring. Though Scullion did well when he came in. Mckinless I assume was injured too.
I'd guess another win and we'd mostly be safe, another 2 wins and should be guaranteed. So we're in a good position.
I'd like to see the Glen lads rested and I think we have enough strength in depth now to do that in the league.
Thought the quality was few and far between today on both sides. Mcgrogan and Murphy's derrys stand out and Kennedy prob pick of them for Tyrone.
D canavan probably should have had 6 points with woeful shooting and although McCurry won any ball into him could tell his first game this year. Would have prob took a 6 point defeat at throw in but 2 points in 30 mins was a shocking return.
I thought scullion was nervous and doesn't look like a long term option as no.2. Jack Cassidy is untested at this level, has a booming kick out and is a natural footballer but a bit to go if he's going to go straight in to replace lynch in the short term.
Niall Loughlin is a superb dead ball kicker so not sure what he's not hitting 45s and frees from the left.
Agree on clucker, needs to develop an end product on the end of all the good work he does. He gets into great positions with his pace.
Murphy was simply outstanding. A joy to see a forward looking to go direct. Scares the life out of defences. Mcfaul was good but needs to cut out the unnecessary ill discipline, cost us a couple of points today.
Tyrone's wides were horrendous, ok, derrys pressure was good on the shooters but at least 10 good point scoring chances were missed from decent positions.
Anyway, 4 points in the bag, pressure's off. Plenty to work on which is what you want.
First half was positive enough for Tyrone. Very young team away against a settled outfit and with the wind against them, missed a couple of easy chances and all of a sudden 5 down and could easily have collapsed. Instead they worked their way back into it and the 3 point half time lead flattered Derry. Second half however was grim, totally lost their heads when the scores didn't come with the wind. You can put that down to lack of experience for sure, but it did happen a couple of times last season too which raises questions.
Overall though there are a number of very good young players who are looking like they can step up and a number of established players to come back in. Get the mix right and there's a right good team in there. Big question for me is do we have the management to pull that off.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 04, 2024, 10:29:19 PMFirst half was positive enough for Tyrone. Very young team away against a settled outfit and with the wind against them, missed a couple of easy chances and all of a sudden 5 down and could easily have collapsed. Instead they worked their way back into it and the 3 point half time lead flattered Derry. Second half however was grim, totally lost their heads when the scores didn't come with the wind. You can put that down to lack of experience for sure, but it did happen a couple of times last season too which raises questions.
Overall though there are a number of very good young players who are looking like they can step up and a number of established players to come back in. Get the mix right and there's a right good team in there. Big question for me is do we have the management to pull that off.
Generally agree with that except for what you said about half time score.
I feel Derry could have easily been 8 or 9 ahead at half time. Took points when goals were begging.
Personally couldn't believe we were only 3 in front at half time.
Tyrone should have had a goal, good save from a shot that was saveable but a better forward would have nailed it.
Just watched the highlights and the glass goal did look deliberate. However, in real time it was a shot for a point I think and the wind caught it.
On a completely different note, has Sean Cavanagh had a bit of botox?
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 04, 2024, 11:04:43 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 04, 2024, 10:29:19 PMFirst half was positive enough for Tyrone. Very young team away against a settled outfit and with the wind against them, missed a couple of easy chances and all of a sudden 5 down and could easily have collapsed. Instead they worked their way back into it and the 3 point half time lead flattered Derry. Second half however was grim, totally lost their heads when the scores didn't come with the wind. You can put that down to lack of experience for sure, but it did happen a couple of times last season too which raises questions.
Overall though there are a number of very good young players who are looking like they can step up and a number of established players to come back in. Get the mix right and there's a right good team in there. Big question for me is do we have the management to pull that off.
Generally agree with that except for what you said about half time score.
I feel Derry could have easily been 8 or 9 ahead at half time. Took points when goals were begging.
Personally couldn't believe we were only 3 in front at half time.
Tyrone should have had a goal, good save from a shot that was saveable but a better forward would have nailed it.
Just watched the highlights and the glass goal did look deliberate. However, in real time it was a shot for a point I think and the wind caught it.
Conor said in post game interview on tg4 that it was a fluke
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 04, 2024, 11:07:24 PMOn a completely different note, has Sean Cavanagh had a bit of botox?
Thought he looked a bit waxy myself alright
If ye don't mind the rest of us trying to get a look in...
A low quality game in the Hyde not helped by a strong wind which made point scoring very hard - not helped by some lads propensity to drive the ball up as high as possible in scoring attempts.
A red card for Donie and an Oscar for Conroy!
The draw probably a major assist towards both being relegated.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 05, 2024, 08:56:52 AMIf ye don't mind the rest of us trying to get a look in...
A low quality game in the Hyde not helped by a strong wind which made point scoring very hard - not helped by some lads propensity to drive the ball up as high as possible in scoring attempts.
A red card for Donie and an Oscar for Conroy!
The draw probably a major assist towards both being relegated.
I only saw the highlights, but looked a straight red to me.
Both teams will improve imo, when Brigids men have had some time to re-integrate and galway get their key players back.
I'd imagine they'll both be much stronger in the last 3 rounds of the league.
Mayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
I'm not entirely convinced the Mickey Harte appointment will work out for Derry either, if he doesn't win an AI title it will not be considered a success. That's a very high barometer for success and I'm not yet convinced Derry will have what it takes in the patter stages but the performance of Murphy yesterday is definitely a step in the right direction for them.
Monaghan flopped again when it comes to facing Kerry after a great performance the previous week against the AI champions. They are the great survivors but you never know what you'll get from them either. Jack O'Connor introduced the 2 Clifford's back yesterday and Kerry are a different team with them in it. I think they'll be the team to beat this year in summer time providing they stay fit.
Galway are probably the side who are under achieving the most. They probably have the best set of forwards in Ireland yet managed a paltry 9 points against Roscommon. They are epitomised by Shane Walsh who always looks like a great player but yet far too seldom delivers what his ability suggests that he is capable of.
Decent, if not overly impressive from Derry. Butchered numerous scoring opportunities, by adding an extra hand pass instead of fisting/tapping it over the bar from 21yrds out. But its league football and getting the wins are what really matters.
Tyrone were well in it at half time, silly frees give them the opportunity to stay in touch. Morgan's free off the ground in the first half was superbly judged. Not sure why they didn't kick on in the second half. They didn't go after Scullions kicks outs as much as I would've expected as well.
Ref wasn't fantastic, looked up once and spotted a bit of shirt pulling, give the free and then it never happened again for the duration of the game. And the curse that is two or three players surrounding the player in possession. Sometimes its over carrying and sometimes is it a free for the player in possession. No consistency in that at all.
For Derry, Baker and Murphy getting more experience at this level is a good thing. I'd go so far as to say Murphy's performances had an influence on Toner when he came on. When Toner got the ball, he turned and headed for goal instead of maintaining possession with an easy backward handpass. Loughlin had a better outing as well. Cassidy wasn't at his best.
Maybe some Screen bias, but I think that Scullion is the best option to have outside of Lynch. He hasn't had the opportunity to play much football in the last couple of years due to county commitments. I think the relegation playoff against Lavey and the final league game against Cork, were the only two games he played between January and July last year. He played one McKenna group game so far this year, and 15mins yesterday. Aside from one kick out over the sideline (Morgan did that too) and one kick pass that went astray (Lynch did that too) he seemed comfortable in that role. Don't forget there are some on here who would've liked to see Lynch replaced over that last couple of year.
If Lynch and McKinless are out for a run of games, I'd say McFaul would move to CHB and then a fight for place in the forwards between Emmett Bradley, Declan Cassidy, Niall Toner and Cormac Murphy. Which is a much better place than we were last year.
Quote from: Estimator on February 05, 2024, 10:15:31 AMDecent, if not overly impressive from Derry. Butchered numerous scoring opportunities, by adding an extra hand pass instead of fisting/tapping it over the bar from 21yrds out. But its league football and getting the wins are what really matters.
Tyrone were well in it at half time, silly frees give them the opportunity to stay in touch. Morgan's free off the ground in the first half was superbly judged. Not sure why they didn't kick on in the second half. They didn't go after Scullions kicks outs as much as I would've expected as well.
Ref wasn't fantastic, looked up once and spotted a bit of shirt pulling, give the free and then it never happened again for the duration of the game. And the curse that is two or three players surrounding the player in possession. Sometimes its over carrying and sometimes is it a free for the player in possession. No consistency in that at all.
For Derry, Baker and Murphy getting more experience at this level is a good thing. I'd go so far as to say Murphy's performances had an influence on Toner when he came on. When Toner got the ball, he turned and headed for goal instead of maintaining possession with an easy backward handpass. Loughlin had a better outing as well. Cassidy wasn't at his best.
Maybe some Screen bias, but I think that Scullion is the best option to have outside of Lynch. He hasn't had the opportunity to play much football in the last couple of years due to county commitments. I think the relegation playoff against Lavey and the final league game against Cork, were the only two games he played between January and July last year. He played one McKenna group game so far this year, and 15mins yesterday. Aside from one kick out over the sideline (Morgan did that too) and one kick pass that went astray (Lynch did that too) he seemed comfortable in that role. Don't forget there are some on here who would've liked to see Lynch replaced over that last couple of year.
If Lynch and McKinless are out for a run of games, I'd say McFaul would move to CHB and then a fight for place in the forwards between Emmett Bradley, Declan Cassidy, Niall Toner and Cormac Murphy. Which is a much better place than we were last year.
Any relation to Tony?
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
Quote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:28:25 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
The big difference being that Derry needed to keep winning Leagu games to get promotion. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all to be winning League matches but it doesn't guarantee success later in the summer either. In fact I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now that they have become diluted. It depends where a team is at in its development and a League title for Derry would be another staging post marked off enroute to trying to win Sam Maguire.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 10:38:08 AMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:28:25 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
The big difference being that Derry needed to keep winning Leagu games to get promotion. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all to be winning League matches but it doesn't guarantee success later in the summer either. In fact I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now that they have become diluted. It depends where a team is at in its development and a League title for Derry would be another staging post marked off enroute to trying to win Sam Maguire.
There is no way a Div 1 league title is above an Ulster championship. It's not even near it in terms of fan interest, media interest and what it means to the players. Look at Clones last year for Armagh Derry vs the Mayo Galway league final.
Division 1 is about staying up. Derry near enough safe and can probably back off. Good breeding ground now for new players. Also you'd expect teams to take it more serious in first year back into it after a while.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMGalway are probably the side who are under achieving the most. They probably have the best set of forwards in Ireland yet managed a paltry 9 points against Roscommon. They are epitomised by Shane Walsh who always looks like a great player but yet far too seldom delivers what his ability suggests that he is capable of.
The same Walsh that wasn't playing yesterday?
It's getting a bit ridiculous the slack he takes. He's had one bad season since 2017. There were multiple times over covid he was sensational but Galway were disjointed and got knocked out. Narrative then follows that they can't get the best out of this 'maverick', one that has still somehow has man of the match awards coming out of his ears over the years
Yesterday was a poor game in terrible conditions. Galway will be disappointed they didn't win given the flow of the game but on paper Roscommon were decent favourites going in. Galway are without their 4 most important players by any objective standard and 3 other starters, a situation that won't improve short term. Survival will be a serious achievement at this point
Quote from: Manning18 on February 05, 2024, 11:25:56 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMGalway are probably the side who are under achieving the most. They probably have the best set of forwards in Ireland yet managed a paltry 9 points against Roscommon. They are epitomised by Shane Walsh who always looks like a great player but yet far too seldom delivers what his ability suggests that he is capable of.
The same Walsh that wasn't playing yesterday?
It's getting a bit ridiculous the slack he takes. He's had one bad season since 2017. There were multiple times over covid he was sensational but Galway were disjointed and got knocked out. Narrative then follows that they can't get the best out of this 'maverick', one that has still somehow has man of the match awards coming out of his ears over the years
Yesterday was a poor game in terrible conditions. Galway will be disappointed they didn't win given the flow of the game but on paper Roscommon were decent favourites going in. Galway are without their 4 most important players by any objective standard and 3 other starters, a situation that won't improve short term. Survival will be a serious achievement at this point
Galway will be happy under the radar. They were where Derry are now mediawise for most of last season, in all of the conversations, and what good did it do them? They can probably grind out 2 or 3 wins to retain their status. No team in its right mind will want to be prominent now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwU4aZEsJw
Conor Glass was interviewed by Marty Morrissey on Radio 1 this morning. He's a great interview as well as everything else.
Quote from: Estimator on February 05, 2024, 10:15:31 AMDecent, if not overly impressive from Derry. Butchered numerous scoring opportunities, by adding an extra hand pass instead of fisting/tapping it over the bar from 21yrds out. But its league football and getting the wins are what really matters.
Tyrone were well in it at half time, silly frees give them the opportunity to stay in touch. Morgan's free off the ground in the first half was superbly judged. Not sure why they didn't kick on in the second half. They didn't go after Scullions kicks outs as much as I would've expected as well.
Ref wasn't fantastic, looked up once and spotted a bit of shirt pulling, give the free and then it never happened again for the duration of the game. And the curse that is two or three players surrounding the player in possession. Sometimes its over carrying and sometimes is it a free for the player in possession. No consistency in that at all.
For Derry, Baker and Murphy getting more experience at this level is a good thing. I'd go so far as to say Murphy's performances had an influence on Toner when he came on. When Toner got the ball, he turned and headed for goal instead of maintaining possession with an easy backward handpass. Loughlin had a better outing as well. Cassidy wasn't at his best.
Maybe some Screen bias, but I think that Scullion is the best option to have outside of Lynch. He hasn't had the opportunity to play much football in the last couple of years due to county commitments. I think the relegation playoff against Lavey and the final league game against Cork, were the only two games he played between January and July last year. He played one McKenna group game so far this year, and 15mins yesterday. Aside from one kick out over the sideline (Morgan did that too) and one kick pass that went astray (Lynch did that too) he seemed comfortable in that role. Don't forget there are some on here who would've liked to see Lynch replaced over that last couple of year.
If Lynch and McKinless are out for a run of games, I'd say McFaul would move to CHB and then a fight for place in the forwards between Emmett Bradley, Declan Cassidy, Niall Toner and Cormac Murphy. Which is a much better place than we were last year.
Agreed.
Contrary to what some are saying, I don't think Derry are flat out at this stage. They may be starting the majority of the first team, but certainly are not peaking. It felt to me like we never really got out of 2nd gear, then Tyrone came back to within 3 so we stepped it up for 10 mins and pulled clear. I think Derry played as well as they needed to.
I agree on Scullion too. Great game to get some experience in and he acquitted himself well.
The biggest worry is the injuries to key players now.
I'd wrap the 3 of them up in cotton wool now until championship.
We still have McEvoy to come back in - he could do a job at CHB I reckon too.
Lachlan Murray has been named for a couple of games now but got no minutes yet - not sure what the story is there.
We have Emmett Bradley back in contention and Conleith Mcguckin too.
We're developing a strong bench, but we need to use them in games now to prepare for championship rather than throw them in cold.
*EDIT - I forgot about Oisin McWilliams - a real talent as well. Whats the story with his injuries?
Quote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:55:52 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 10:38:08 AMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:28:25 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
The big difference being that Derry needed to keep winning Leagu games to get promotion. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all to be winning League matches but it doesn't guarantee success later in the summer either. In fact I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now that they have become diluted. It depends where a team is at in its development and a League title for Derry would be another staging post marked off enroute to trying to win Sam Maguire.
There is no way a Div 1 league title is above an Ulster championship. It's not even near it in terms of fan interest, media interest and what it means to the players. Look at Clones last year for Armagh Derry vs the Mayo Galway league final.
It doesn't generate the level of fan or media interest but it's arguable which is the greater achievement. Beating the top teams in the country and lifting a national title at HQ or winning 3 games in a knockout regional competition. I think the Ulster championship is unique and can understand how it might be considered more valued but it has still been greatly diminished by it no longer being linked to the AI series.
Certainly for the likes of Kerry or Dublin, winning a national league title is a far greater achievement than hoovering up easy provincial wins.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 12:37:24 PMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:55:52 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 10:38:08 AMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:28:25 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
The big difference being that Derry needed to keep winning Leagu games to get promotion. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all to be winning League matches but it doesn't guarantee success later in the summer either. In fact I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now that they have become diluted. It depends where a team is at in its development and a League title for Derry would be another staging post marked off enroute to trying to win Sam Maguire.
There is no way a Div 1 league title is above an Ulster championship. It's not even near it in terms of fan interest, media interest and what it means to the players. Look at Clones last year for Armagh Derry vs the Mayo Galway league final.
It doesn't generate the level of fan or media interest but it's arguable which is the greater achievement. Beating the top teams in the country and lifting a national title at HQ or winning 3 games in a knockout regional competition. I think the Ulster championship is unique and can understand how it might be considered more valued but it has still been greatly diminished by it no longer being linked to the AI series.
Certainly for the likes of Kerry or Dublin, winning a national league title is a far greater achievement than hoovering up easy provincial wins.
That's because the other teams in Leinster + Munster are an embarrassment, and roll over to both Kerry & Dub.
Ask McGuinness, McGeeney, Harte, Laverty etc if they'd rather win Ulster than their respective divisions.
Maybe one of the worst takes ever on this board. Look at Mayo, homecoming for both recent titles, only to do what Mayo do later in the year.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 05, 2024, 11:25:56 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMGalway are probably the side who are under achieving the most. They probably have the best set of forwards in Ireland yet managed a paltry 9 points against Roscommon. They are epitomised by Shane Walsh who always looks like a great player but yet far too seldom delivers what his ability suggests that he is capable of.
The same Walsh that wasn't playing yesterday?
It's getting a bit ridiculous the slack he takes. He's had one bad season since 2017. There were multiple times over covid he was sensational but Galway were disjointed and got knocked out. Narrative then follows that they can't get the best out of this 'maverick', one that has still somehow has man of the match awards coming out of his ears over the years
Yesterday was a poor game in terrible conditions. Galway will be disappointed they didn't win given the flow of the game but on paper Roscommon were decent favourites going in. Galway are without their 4 most important players by any objective standard and 3 other starters, a situation that won't improve short term. Survival will be a serious achievement at this point
Agreed, not expecting them too stay up but on a positive note the like of Fitzgerald, O'Currain & O'Conghaile are going to get valuable game time at this level they might not have ordinarily got which will hopefully benefit Galway later in the summer. Have my doubts on Mulkerrin but Joyce obviously sees something there and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't see McHugh becoming the player he is so I've been wrong before.
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2024, 11:46:52 AMConor Glass was interviewed by Marty Morrissey on Radio 1 this morning. He's a great interview as well as everything else.
As long as he's not complaining about the people of Maghera caring more for a fry than an acai bowl.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 05, 2024, 11:25:56 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMGalway are probably the side who are under achieving the most. They probably have the best set of forwards in Ireland yet managed a paltry 9 points against Roscommon. They are epitomised by Shane Walsh who always looks like a great player but yet far too seldom delivers what his ability suggests that he is capable of.
The same Walsh that wasn't playing yesterday?
It's getting a bit ridiculous the slack he takes. He's had one bad season since 2017. There were multiple times over covid he was sensational but Galway were disjointed and got knocked out. Narrative then follows that they can't get the best out of this 'maverick', one that has still somehow has man of the match awards coming out of his ears over the years
Yesterday was a poor game in terrible conditions. Galway will be disappointed they didn't win given the flow of the game but on paper Roscommon were decent favourites going in. Galway are without their 4 most important players by any objective standard and 3 other starters, a situation that won't improve short term. Survival will be a serious achievement at this point
this made me chuckle
With five games to play it looks like three teams (Derry, Mayo and Kerry) are aiming to win the league Dublin might be a 4th if the old guard Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Cluxton,Mannion start to feature in the remaining games.
As for the rest staying up is the prime objective for Monaghan,Roscommon, Tyrone and Galway as all look to get players back and in form before the championship gets up and running.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 05, 2024, 02:27:19 PMWith five games to play it looks like three teams (Derry, Mayo and Kerry) are aiming to win the league Dublin might be a 4th if the old guard Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Cluxton,Mannion start to feature in the remaining games.
As for the rest staying up is the prime objective for Monaghan,Roscommon, Tyrone and Galway as all look to get players back and in form before the championship gets up and running.
I don't think Kerry want to win the league.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 05, 2024, 12:56:52 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 12:37:24 PMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:55:52 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 10:38:08 AMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:28:25 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
The big difference being that Derry needed to keep winning Leagu games to get promotion. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all to be winning League matches but it doesn't guarantee success later in the summer either. In fact I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now that they have become diluted. It depends where a team is at in its development and a League title for Derry would be another staging post marked off enroute to trying to win Sam Maguire.
There is no way a Div 1 league title is above an Ulster championship. It's not even near it in terms of fan interest, media interest and what it means to the players. Look at Clones last year for Armagh Derry vs the Mayo Galway league final.
It doesn't generate the level of fan or media interest but it's arguable which is the greater achievement. Beating the top teams in the country and lifting a national title at HQ or winning 3 games in a knockout regional competition. I think the Ulster championship is unique and can understand how it might be considered more valued but it has still been greatly diminished by it no longer being linked to the AI series.
Certainly for the likes of Kerry or Dublin, winning a national league title is a far greater achievement than hoovering up easy provincial wins.
That's because the other teams in Leinster + Munster are an embarrassment, and roll over to both Kerry & Dub.
Ask McGuinness, McGeeney, Harte, Laverty etc if they'd rather win Ulster than their respective divisions.
Maybe one of the worst takes ever on this board. Look at Mayo, homecoming for both recent titles, only to do what Mayo do later in the year.
Why are you making things up?
Quote from: 5times5times on February 05, 2024, 12:56:52 PMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 12:37:24 PMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:55:52 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 10:38:08 AMQuote from: Mario on February 05, 2024, 10:28:25 AMQuote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2024, 09:51:41 AMMayo and Derry both like greyhounds out of the traps in this years League campaign. However it's a long season and Mayo ultimately flattered to deceive during last years League.
Derry have approached every league campaign like this for the past 3 years and have managed to keep it going deep into the championship. The GAA media seem obsessed about timing your run, usually as an excuse for the big counties losing. This team has been unbelievably consistent for 3 years now, so the only criticism left is to say we are trying to hard to win every game.
McFaul's best position is definitely at 6, it's a pity for him that McKinless is also so good at it and probably more dangerous as an attacking threat. McFaul very good at linking the play though.
I agree with you Estimator, some pressure on Scullion coming in to that game against a gale force wind with a packed Celtic park and very little experience in county football. He did very well in the circumstances and got most of his kick-outs off.
The big difference being that Derry needed to keep winning Leagu games to get promotion. I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all to be winning League matches but it doesn't guarantee success later in the summer either. In fact I'd probably put a division one League title above a provincial title now that they have become diluted. It depends where a team is at in its development and a League title for Derry would be another staging post marked off enroute to trying to win Sam Maguire.
There is no way a Div 1 league title is above an Ulster championship. It's not even near it in terms of fan interest, media interest and what it means to the players. Look at Clones last year for Armagh Derry vs the Mayo Galway league final.
It doesn't generate the level of fan or media interest but it's arguable which is the greater achievement. Beating the top teams in the country and lifting a national title at HQ or winning 3 games in a knockout regional competition. I think the Ulster championship is unique and can understand how it might be considered more valued but it has still been greatly diminished by it no longer being linked to the AI series.
Certainly for the likes of Kerry or Dublin, winning a national league title is a far greater achievement than hoovering up easy provincial wins.
That's because the other teams in Leinster + Munster are an embarrassment, and roll over to both Kerry & Dub.
Ask McGuinness, McGeeney, Harte, Laverty etc if they'd rather win Ulster than their respective divisions.
Maybe one of the worst takes ever on this board. Look at Mayo, homecoming for both recent titles, only to do what Mayo do later in the year.
Of course they would but that's because all except Harte are playing in division 2/3 where the primary target is to get promoted.
A league title would be nice but Ulster is still the bigger prize for them.
No harm but Down would be a good bit off winning ulster though definitely improving.
Only a few teams likely to win it.
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2024, 02:38:41 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 05, 2024, 02:27:19 PMWith five games to play it looks like three teams (Derry, Mayo and Kerry) are aiming to win the league Dublin might be a 4th if the old guard Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Cluxton,Mannion start to feature in the remaining games.
As for the rest staying up is the prime objective for Monaghan,Roscommon, Tyrone and Galway as all look to get players back and in form before the championship gets up and running.
I don't think Kerry want to win the league.
Jack O'Connor always wants to win national titles and couldn't do so last year because of all the first team players that was missing for the opening rounds of the league.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:11:26 PMNo harm but Down would be a good bit off winning ulster though definitely improving.
Only a few teams likely to win it.
they were brutal against us last year in Clones but as you say they're improving. Laverty a shrewd operator and you could see them win an Ulster within a few years.
I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2024, 02:38:41 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 05, 2024, 02:27:19 PMWith five games to play it looks like three teams (Derry, Mayo and Kerry) are aiming to win the league Dublin might be a 4th if the old guard Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Cluxton,Mannion start to feature in the remaining games.
As for the rest staying up is the prime Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2024, 02:38:41 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 05, 2024, 02:27:19 PMWith five games to play it looks like three teams (Derry, Mayo and Kerry) are aiming to win the league Dublin might be a 4th if the old guard Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Cluxton,Mannion start to feature in the remaining games.
As for the rest staying up is the prime objective for Monaghan,Roscommon, Tyrone and Galway as all look to get players back and in form before the championship gets up and running.
I don't think Kerry want to win the league.
Quote from: seafoid on February 05, 2024, 02:38:41 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on February 05, 2024, 02:27:19 PMWith five games to play it looks like three teams (Derry, Mayo and Kerry) are aiming to win the league Dublin might be a 4th if the old guard Fitzsimons, McCarthy, Cluxton,Mannion start to feature in the remaining games.
As for the rest staying up is the prime objective for Monaghan,Roscommon, Tyrone and Galway as all look to get players back and in form before the championship gets up and running.
I don't think Kerry want to win the league.
objective for Monaghan,Roscommon, Tyrone and Galway as all look to get players back and in form before the championship gets up and running.
I don't think Kerry want to win the league.
That's why they abandoned the Clifford rest schedule after 1 game and brought David on before half time in their second game.
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 05, 2024, 04:44:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 04:11:26 PMNo harm but Down would be a good bit off winning ulster though definitely improving.
Only a few teams likely to win it.
they were brutal against us last year in Clones but as you say they're improving. Laverty a shrewd operator and you could see them win an Ulster within a few years.
Can't see the basis for this been poor at underage a long time now and alot of the kilcoo players have been unable to carry their club form to county jersey.
You've won 2 out of 3 under 20 titles though so you're not that poor at underage.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 06:34:27 PMYou've won 2 out of 3 under 20 titles though so you're not that poor at underage.
fair enough had overlooked that.
In fairness if Down lose Murdock they are in trouble!
La
Quote from: statto on February 05, 2024, 06:51:02 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2024, 06:34:27 PMYou've won 2 out of 3 under 20 titles though so you're not that poor at underage.
fair enough had overlooked that.
Laverty is effective. Tbh his conduct on the field as a player wasn't great and by all accounts that continues for his club as he manages his opponents so he is going to rub people in his own county up the wrong way. He has something about him though.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
It probably is that long. Bit mad to bring in a manager to win ai when he hasn't managed to beat a top team in a very long time
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
A feck it we are screwed.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 05, 2024, 11:13:59 PMA feck it we are screwed.
Pretty much. Win games at this stage of the league and you've peaked to early. Don't win games then Mickey has taken us backwards and we are a busted flush. Just no pleasing some people.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Quote from: statto on February 06, 2024, 07:07:27 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
The year after harte left tyrone beat Kerry and Mayo and won the AI with the same team mickey had for a number of years
Without knowing a great deal about it I find the lack of playing time of Darren McCurry under Harte bizare.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 07:11:24 AMQuote from: statto on February 06, 2024, 07:07:27 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
The year after harte left tyrone beat Kerry and Mayo and won the AI with the same team mickey had for a number of years
Tbf that was a Covid year when everything was up in the air. If you look at the years since, I think it's fair to say there's been a fall off in Tyrone's level. Whether that's due to not having the players or the management I'm not sure.
I honestly don't understand why you kept that management team - I think you need new ones. Nothing personal against them but it just doesn't look like it's working from the outside looking in. There should be very few teams in Ireland fit to beat Tyrone but unless something changes I think there will be quite a few fit to beat them. Yes you currently have a run of injuries but I'm not even sure that will matter.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 06, 2024, 09:36:21 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 07:11:24 AMQuote from: statto on February 06, 2024, 07:07:27 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
The year after harte left tyrone beat Kerry and Mayo and won the AI with the same team mickey had for a number of years
Tbf that was a Covid year when everything was up in the air. If you look at the years since, I think it's fair to say there's been a fall off in Tyrone's level. Whether that's due to not having the players or the management I'm not sure.
Tyrone had been doing the iterations for several years previously and had lost the final in 2018.
As Dooher said at the time you have to take your chance when it presents itself . You never get a second chance to make a first impression
Its a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Quote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way
Most notable wins in that 2018 run were Donegal in the final Super 8 game in Ballybofey and then Monaghan in the semi finals.
Beaten by Monaghan in Ulster that year and twice by the Dubs in the All Ireland series.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2024, 10:39:11 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way
In the super 8 they beat Roscommon and donegal. Dublin beat Tyrone again. Tyrone played monaghan in the semi and beat them.
Dublin actually beat them twice in that all ireland
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:58:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2024, 10:39:11 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way
In the super 8 they beat Roscommon and donegal. Dublin beat Tyrone again. Tyrone played monaghan in the semi and beat them.
Dublin actually beat them twice in that all ireland
You're alot more nervous about Derry's year ahead than Derry fans! ;D
My god this is actually laughable lol derry abu!
Quote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:18:41 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:58:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2024, 10:39:11 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way
In the super 8 they beat Roscommon and donegal. Dublin beat Tyrone again. Tyrone played monaghan in the semi and beat them.
Dublin actually beat them twice in that all ireland
You're alot more nervous about Derry's year ahead than Derry fans! ;D
Not really. Trying to work out why use think mickey is the man to take you to the promise land when there is 15 years of evidence to show the opposite lol but time will tell.
There were quite a few of those years you were far from being good enough though. There's maybe 3 games you could / should have won in those years that you lost. No shame in not beating that dublin team too. If you'd beat Mayo or Kerry still no AI as Dublin would have beat you. Cork in 2009 the only year you could have maybe won AI but it was a good cork team too.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 11:30:08 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:18:41 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:58:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2024, 10:39:11 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way
In the super 8 they beat Roscommon and donegal. Dublin beat Tyrone again. Tyrone played monaghan in the semi and beat them.
Dublin actually beat them twice in that all ireland
You're alot more nervous about Derry's year ahead than Derry fans! ;D
Not really. Trying to work out why use think mickey is the man to take you to the promise land when there is 15 years of evidence to show the opposite lol but time will tell.
you ok mate?
Quote from: seanyb on February 06, 2024, 11:42:35 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 11:30:08 AMQuote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 11:18:41 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:58:09 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2024, 10:39:11 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way
In the super 8 they beat Roscommon and donegal. Dublin beat Tyrone again. Tyrone played monaghan in the semi and beat them.
Dublin actually beat them twice in that all ireland
You're alot more nervous about Derry's year ahead than Derry fans! ;D
Not really. Trying to work out why use think mickey is the man to take you to the promise land when there is 15 years of evidence to show the opposite lol but time will tell.
you ok mate?
I am 100%. Heaven forbid you chat about football managers and teams on a football thread lol
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 06, 2024, 10:29:38 AMQuote from: Estimator on February 06, 2024, 10:17:13 AMIts a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve? I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.
Tyrone beaten by as follows
2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal
Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.
What was Mickey's scoring average in those games?
Quote from: statto on February 06, 2024, 07:07:27 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
I dont believe Derry fans are sitting thinking that now we have Harte we're going to win.
There's a realism to Derry fans. We believe we have a chance, before we had Harte.
There are as many people concerned about what Harte might do as there are those who think he'll take us over the line.
But stepping back, if you are recruiting a manager and one of the applicants has won 3 AI's he's arguably going to be the top choice for the job based on experience. There are a lot of things I don't like about the appointment, but I do like that he has the experience of getting over the line.
Do I think he's better than what Gallagher/Meenagh brought to the table, not sure I do. But he's what we've got, we've definately got the players, but we all know a lot has to click to win an AI.
There's a lot of hopeful Derry people rather than a lot of expectant Derry people.
Mickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Derry men- if yous were to beat Kerry in a semi then lose to Dublin in a close final or vice versa how would you view the season?
Surely that's progress and be no shame in losing to one of them
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2024, 01:27:07 PMDerry men- if yous were to beat Kerry in a semi then lose to Dublin in a close final or vice versa how would you view the season?
Surely that's progress and be no shame in losing to one of them
Yeah that would be progress along with retaining Div 1.
We'd still be disappointed.
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
The old tired players win games, managers lose them. Harte had youse basking at the top table pretty much his entire stint. Minor and u21 before. The entitlement dripping off you is incredible. Current management team has delivered an All Ireland and there not getting the backing now too. How many at the Roscommon game, and a smattering at CP on Sunday?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 06, 2024, 01:27:07 PMDerry men- if yous were to beat Kerry in a semi then lose to Dublin in a close final or vice versa how would you view the season?
Surely that's progress and be no shame in losing to one of them
Absolutely. Would love another Anglo Celt and retaining Div 1. Derry people still enjoying being in the mix.
No shame in losing to any top team, unless you're from the county that thinks football started in 2003
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Some nonsense this. If Tyrone had all these players to be winning All Ireland's how come did they didn't win an U21 ulster championship from 2007 to 20214? They struggled badly at that level which is a much better gauge of players coming through than minor. They had a good team in 2015 and won an all ireland u21 and within 3 years Tyrone were in a senior final with many of that crop involved.
Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions from 2013 to 2019. The last few years have shown how well Harte did at consistently keeping Tyrone at the top end.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 06, 2024, 01:38:07 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Some nonsense this. If Tyrone had all these players to be winning All Ireland's how come did they didn't win an U21 ulster championship from 2007 to 20214? They struggled badly at that level which is a much better gauge of players coming through than minor. They had a good team in 2015 and won an all ireland u21 and within 3 years Tyrone were in a senior final with many of that crop involved.
Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions from 2013 to 2019. The last few years have shown how well Harte did at consistently keeping Tyrone at the top end.
Can you be at the top table while never beating top 3 team?
Does anyone know if the rte boycotting is still on going ?
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Whatever about the rest of your post that is extremely harsh on Mark Harte. He won an all ireland minor and 2 u21s and was on of the best players on those teams. He was one of the top forwards for Errigal when they won a Tyrone and Ulster title in 2002. If his surname wasn't Harte then there would be no questions about him being in the squad.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 06, 2024, 01:38:07 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Some nonsense this. If Tyrone had all these players to be winning All Ireland's how come did they didn't win an U21 ulster championship from 2007 to 20214? They struggled badly at that level which is a much better gauge of players coming through than minor. They had a good team in 2015 and won an all ireland u21 and within 3 years Tyrone were in a senior final with many of that crop involved.
Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions from 2013 to 2019. The last few years have shown how well Harte did at consistently keeping Tyrone at the top end.
AI Under 21 2015
AI Minor titles in 2008 & 2010 Beaten in the 2013 final.
Runners up in Ulster U21 2011 2012 2016
The players were there... the management wasn't.
Derry must win an AI this year. They have gone out and got their big name manager. They have put out a real statement of intent. Anything else than a clean sweep League, Ulster and AI will be a failure.
Quote from: square_ball on February 06, 2024, 01:43:41 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Whatever about the rest of your post that is extremely harsh on Mark Harte. He won an all ireland minor and 2 u21s and was on of the best players on those teams. He was one of the top forwards for Errigal when they won a Tyrone and Ulster title in 2002. If his surname wasn't Harte then there would be no questions about him being in the squad.
Canavan, Dooher, Mulligan, Cavlan, McGuigan, O'Neill, McGinley. He was very fortunate.
He took a lot of frees in those Minor and U21 teams.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 06, 2024, 12:19:06 PMQuote from: statto on February 06, 2024, 07:07:27 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:48:24 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 06, 2024, 01:38:07 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Some nonsense this. If Tyrone had all these players to be winning All Ireland's how come did they didn't win an U21 ulster championship from 2007 to 20214? They struggled badly at that level which is a much better gauge of players coming through than minor. They had a good team in 2015 and won an all ireland u21 and within 3 years Tyrone were in a senior final with many of that crop involved.
Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions from 2013 to 2019. The last few years have shown how well Harte did at consistently keeping Tyrone at the top end.
AI Under 21 2015
AI Minor titles in 2008 & 2010 Beaten in the 2013 final.
Runners up in Ulster U21 2011 2012 2016
The players were there... the management wasn't.
Derry must win an AI this year. They have gone out and got their big name manager. They have put out a real statement of intent. Anything else than a clean sweep League, Ulster and AI will be a failure.
They would need to bring home the FA cup and Premiership too.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 06, 2024, 01:56:09 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 06, 2024, 12:19:06 PMQuote from: statto on February 06, 2024, 07:07:27 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 05, 2024, 10:57:31 PMQuote from: ClubScene13 on February 05, 2024, 06:49:40 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 05, 2024, 06:02:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 05, 2024, 04:51:31 PMI don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.
Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Harte set them up to be defensive. And it worked for first 20 mins. Then Morgan's poor kick out gifted them a goal followed by the defence giving away a penalty. Tyrone weren't setup to chase the lead and ended up getting beat again as was typical of Harte's teams in big games.
Quote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:52:56 PMQuote from: square_ball on February 06, 2024, 01:43:41 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Whatever about the rest of your post that is extremely harsh on Mark Harte. He won an all ireland minor and 2 u21s and was on of the best players on those teams. He was one of the top forwards for Errigal when they won a Tyrone and Ulster title in 2002. If his surname wasn't Harte then there would be no questions about him being in the squad.
Canavan, Dooher, Mulligan, Cavlan, McGuigan, O'Neill, McGinley. He was very fortunate.
He took a lot of frees in those Minor and U21 teams.
So squads only carry 7 forwards? He barely started a game. He was a squad player at that time which he was more than worthy of being.
Tyrone adinfinitis has broken out again, it's regurgitating and is on the rampage devouring pages and pages.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 06, 2024, 01:35:03 PMThe old tired players win games, managers lose them. Harte had youse basking at the top table pretty much his entire stint. Minor and u21 before. The entitlement dripping off you is incredible. Current management team has delivered an All Ireland and there not getting the backing now too. How many at the Roscommon game, and a smattering at CP on Sunday?
Incredible indeed. Strong argument to be made that Tyrone would have zero Senior All-Ireland titles to their name but for Mickey Harte and even in 2021 it was basically the side Mickey built.
Tyrone heads not happy that he's joined Derry with the objective to win the All-Ireland with them in the next few years is one thing but trying to downplay what Harte has achieved for Tyrone is ridiculous.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 06, 2024, 01:58:59 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:48:24 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 06, 2024, 01:38:07 PMQuote from: trailer on February 06, 2024, 01:25:25 PMMickey ruined an entire generation of Tyrone footballers from 2008 on. Restricted them in every way. They were playing in a straight jacket. Completely devoid of ambition.
Harte "won" 3 All Irelands but the reality was that that team was a once in a generation team and they were destined to win All Irelands. The question was how many? If Harte hadn't have been there they probably would have won many many more. He refused time and again to pick the best players (Mark Harte has an All Ireland medal) and relied on moments of sheer genius from individuals to get them over the line. As that talent aged he couldn't reinvent or reenergise the team. He had Iron grab on the County and it took some bravery to finally oust him. With the those players freed them went on to secure another All Ireland. An average enough team by all accounts. Imagine what we could've done with in 2010s had players been released from his footballing prison. Without Harte we'd be chasing down double figures in All Irelands.
Good luck to Derry but if the answer is Harte I fear you're asking the wrong questions.
Some nonsense this. If Tyrone had all these players to be winning All Ireland's how come did they didn't win an U21 ulster championship from 2007 to 20214? They struggled badly at that level which is a much better gauge of players coming through than minor. They had a good team in 2015 and won an all ireland u21 and within 3 years Tyrone were in a senior final with many of that crop involved.
Tyrone got to at least the semi final stage on 4 occasions from 2013 to 2019. The last few years have shown how well Harte did at consistently keeping Tyrone at the top end.
AI Under 21 2015
AI Minor titles in 2008 & 2010 Beaten in the 2013 final.
Runners up in Ulster U21 2011 2012 2016
The players were there... the management wasn't.
Derry must win an AI this year. They have gone out and got their big name manager. They have put out a real statement of intent. Anything else than a clean sweep League, Ulster and AI will be a failure.
They would need to bring home the FA cup and Premiership too.
Throw in the Champions League and several golds at the Olympics as well.
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Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Harte set them up to be defensive. And it worked for first 20 mins. Then Morgan's poor kick out gifted them a goal followed by the defence giving away a penalty. Tyrone weren't setup to chase the lead and ended up getting beat again as was typical of Harte's teams in big games.
I'm confused, was it Hartes fault you were beat or Morgans or the defences fault?
Its still so surreal to sit here & read all the Derry wans biggin' up Mickeys achievements as Tyrone Manager...
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Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Harte set them up to be defensive. And it worked for first 20 mins. Then Morgan's poor kick out gifted them a goal followed by the defence giving away a penalty. Tyrone weren't setup to chase the lead and ended up getting beat again as was typical of Harte's teams in big games.
The first 20 mins set the tone for the heavy defeat and big score conceded. 1-8 to 0-4 it was. Ultra defensive isn't standing around marking space and not laying a glove on Dublins main players that day.
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Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Harte set them up to be defensive. And it worked for first 20 mins. Then Morgan's poor kick out gifted them a goal followed by the defence giving away a penalty. Tyrone weren't setup to chase the lead and ended up getting beat again as was typical of Harte's teams in big games.
I'm confused, was it Hartes fault you were beat or Morgans or the defences fault?
It was the players fault when they won. Harte's fault they were beat. And Morgan's fault downstream from Harte's fault for picking him in a defence who gave away a penalty. There's probably a finger of blame to be pointed at Dublin too for being so good.
Moving on....Dublin v Mayo - discuss (maybe I've missed it earlier in the thread)
Dublin should probably have won but credit to Mayo, stuck at it. The foul at the end giving Mayo the free to win it was a schoolboy error. Didn't need to touch him, just keep him in the corner and they would probably have got the draw.
I don't think Dublin will be too worried mind.
They still look strong and will no doubt improve.
Mayo - who knows what they'll do. Could be brilliant. Could be awful.
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Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Well indeed, that's the point. Mickey had built a new side on an ultra defensive model and that was the first big test. Dublin scored a goal after 4 minutes and Tyrone having gone a few points down so early had no clue how to come back. The Dublin crowd were doing the ole stuff in the first half. The manner of the defeat was entirely down to the game plan. That the game plan was so utterly flawed was illustrated by him out of nothing going all out attack in the game against the Dubs the year after - and getting hammered again.
And in response to Captain Obvious, I'm in no way talking down Mickey Harte's contribution to Tyrone's success in the 2000s. The players were class but he was fundamental to it all. He's also been an inspirational figure in how has handled himself through harrowing experiences - and indeed how he has supported others in tough times.
Doesn't mean his very poor record in big GAA games over the past 16 years shouldn't be scrutinised.
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Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.
Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.
The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!
The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.
Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?
You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.
Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.
Yeah there is a case to be made and it's the standard response but I don't think it stands up to serious scrutiny. I'd say 2008 was Mickey's finest hour (so far 😁) in terms of management as he won an AI with McGuigan with reduced vision, fitness and mobility, Mugsy out of sorts and on the bench, SON not there but for a very late cameo and Canavan long gone. It was a real team achievement and the next couple of years looked rosy with that team still growing, SON back and Mugsy re-focused, and AI winning minor teams from 2004 and 2008. Instead he tried to go back to the pre 2008 model and failed badly in very winnable big games in 2009 and 2010.
The team was getting old in 2011 and 2012 (although he hadn't refreshed it properly if I'm being harsh) so I'd write those off. There were then a few seasons when he did well to stay pretty competitive with a less talented panel and I wouldn't question those defeats at all.
The new team 2016 onwards he made a mess of with an overly defensive model. Humiliating defeat against the Dubs in 2017 when the game was over after 5 minutes due to there being no plan other than ultra defence. Nothing wrong with losing to that team but the manner of it was terrible. Following year he threw 3 years of work out the window on AI final day by trying to go out all out attack with a team who had been drilled on mass defence. Over by half time. You wondered the following year when wr led Kerry were things coming together. Came apart second half trying to defend a lead.
Was no coincidence in 2021 players saying they loved Mickey etc but now felt free to express themselves on the big day and take on scores.
Now Derry folk can say bitter Tyrone people etc but there's nothing there I wasn't saying on Tyrone threads for a few years before Mickey moved on. I've a massive respect for the man in so many ways, but he made a lot of mistakes from 2008 onwards. Perhaps he has learned from those, perhaps the hunger from the Derry players will make a difference and coupled with Mickey's experience will drive them on. But the questions are valid.
You don't concede 2-17 in game by playing ultra defensive. Was at that match and Tyrone were awful defensively.
Harte set them up to be defensive. And it worked for first 20 mins. Then Morgan's poor kick out gifted them a goal followed by the defence giving away a penalty. Tyrone weren't setup to chase the lead and ended up getting beat again as was typical of Harte's teams in big games.
I'm confused, was it Hartes fault you were beat or Morgans or the defences fault?
It was the players fault when they won. Harte's fault they were beat. And Morgan's fault downstream from Harte's fault for picking him in a defence who gave away a penalty. There's probably a finger of blame to be pointed at Dublin too for being so good.
Niall Morgan would be one of Tyrone's greatest players ever if he did the basics and only the basics. His free taking and (I can't believe I am typing this about a goalkeeper) shot selection are terrible and lets him down time and time again.
There arent many goalkeepers in Ireland I would rather have instead of Morgan - one or two at a push maybe but in my mind he is a top top keeper
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2024, 03:57:56 PMThere arent many goalkeepers in Ireland I would rather have instead of Morgan - one or two at a push maybe but in my mind he is a top top keeper
He is the best of them all.
Now i must go wash that out of my mind
Beggan or Cluxton are above him but the three of them are well above the rest IMO.
That Laois lad might be better than any of them on present form.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2024, 04:35:57 PMThat Laois lad might be better than any of them on present form.
Yeah, seems to be scoring points for fun - from set pieces and from play.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 06, 2024, 02:46:13 PMMoving on....Dublin v Mayo - discuss (maybe I've missed it earlier in the thread)
Dublin should probably have won but credit to Mayo, stuck at it. The foul at the end giving Mayo the free to win it was a schoolboy error. Didn't need to touch him, just keep him in the corner and they would probably have got the draw.
I don't think Dublin will be too worried mind.
They still look strong and will no doubt improve.
Mayo - who knows what they'll do. Could be brilliant. Could be awful.
The last minute was real 50/50. It reminded me of Irl vs NZ in the RWC. Sometimes it works out at the death and sometimes it doesn't. Dublin did enough to win imo but sher it's only the league.
Would the league be even more important if after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.
Quote from: seafoid on February 06, 2024, 07:08:00 PMbut sher it's only the league.
We've a match tonight but it's just the League
We'll go into town and go Jaeger Bombin
It's all or nothing if yer from Roscommon...
(Apologies to whoever has the copyright on that oul song)
Ros are definitely pacing themselves so far compared to last year. A qf at least must be the goal this year. the exit last year was very disappointing. They won't be caught out again
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 06, 2024, 04:29:37 PMBeggan or Cluxton are above him but the three of them are well above the rest IMO.
Cluxton is the greatest ever. Beggan has probably surpassed him in terms of his kicking ability but Cluxton has done it over a 20 year period and repeatedly on the biggest occasions under the greatest pressure. His all round game was the best and his temperament was his biggest asset. Morgan has been very good for a decade but his decision making can be suspect at times. Still a top keeper on his day.
Cluxton was absolutely flawless in the AI final last year. Still when it comes down to it think he's the best. When the "high press" goes on he was able to find a way. (I guess who your team is helps too mind you but still)
Quote from: Eire90 on February 06, 2024, 07:49:02 PMWould the league be even more important if after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.
It would obviously be more important but the reality is there is no way this will ever happen while the provincial councils have such a massive chunk of votes.
I think making is so that the provincial losers weren't the 2nd seeds would improve things some small bit.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 07, 2024, 07:26:03 AMCluxton was absolutely flawless in the AI final last year. Still when it comes down to it think he's the best. When the "high press" goes on he was able to find a way. (I guess who your team is helps too mind you but still)
I think the high press is called a cupboard in England
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I see Mal McMullan tweeting the Galway Derry game has been moved to Salthill. Same throw in time.
Any idea why the change of venue?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 07, 2024, 08:30:28 PMI see Mal McMullan tweeting the Galway Derry game has been moved to Salthill. Same throw in time.
Any idea why the change of venue?
Likely because the new Tuam stand is behind schedule.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 07, 2024, 08:30:28 PMI see Mal McMullan tweeting the Galway Derry game has been moved to Salthill. Same throw in time.
Any idea why the change of venue?
They must be expecting a big crowd. Tuam stadium is undergoing some re-development and the capacity is a little less than 7k
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Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 07, 2024, 08:30:28 PMI see Mal McMullan tweeting the Galway Derry game has been moved to Salthill. Same throw in time.
Any idea why the change of venue?
They saw Derry's poor shooting in windy conditions on Sunday and felt salthill would present the same again - guaranteed!
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2024, 01:02:20 PMQuote from: Eire90 on February 06, 2024, 07:49:02 PMWould the league be even more important if after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.
It would obviously be more important but the reality is there is no way this will ever happen while the provincial councils have such a massive chunk of votes.
I think making is so that the provincial losers weren't the 2nd seeds would improve things some small bit.
We need the league to matter more and both suggestions above would help.
I see a few mentioning the importance of winning Ulster for Ulster sides, but I've been saying for a while, once people realise the futility of it, the allure will diminish and crowds will start to drop off. I'd like to see Derry win again this year, simply for 3 in a row, but they might be better served by an early exit. That said, there's definitely a few Ulster teams who really could do with that win - Donegal, Down and Armagh should all be focused on Ulster success.
As for Derry fans thinking Mickey is the missing element guaranteed to bring us Sam, I can assure you, there's plenty of us who think his last decade with Tyrone did them no favours and weren't in favour of his conservative approach coming to Derry - the jury is very definitely out, McKenna cup or not!!
Quote from: onefineday on February 08, 2024, 01:31:00 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2024, 01:02:20 PMQuote from: Eire90 on February 06, 2024, 07:49:02 PMWould the league be even more important if after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.
It would obviously be more important but the reality is there is no way this will ever happen while the provincial councils have such a massive chunk of votes.
I think making is so that the provincial losers weren't the 2nd seeds would improve things some small bit.
We need the league to matter more and both suggestions above would help.
I see a few mentioning the importance of winning Ulster for Ulster sides, but I've been saying for a while, once people realise the futility of it, the allure will diminish and crowds will start to drop off. I'd like to see Derry win again this year, simply for 3 in a row, but they might be better served by an early exit. That said, there's definitely a few Ulster teams who really could do with that win - Donegal, Down and Armagh should all be focused on Ulster success.
As for Derry fans thinking Mickey is the missing element guaranteed to bring us Sam, I can assure you, there's plenty of us who think his last decade with Tyrone did them no favours and weren't in favour of his conservative approach coming to Derry - the jury is very definitely out, McKenna cup or not!!
Could also serve up as earlier than expected exit from the All Ireland championship. Not winning Ulster will likely mean Kerry,Dublin could be in Derry's group making it harder to top the group or could play one of them in the last 8. Same schedule is in place as last year with the group winner given a week off before the quarter final and their opposition will face into their 3rd match in 3 weeks.
I know Tyrone weren't great last year but 3rd seeds did them no favours. Kerry probably would have beaten them but not in the manner they did. Tyrone were bucked n kerry were fresh. There's always the possibility of not making an Ulster final and drawing the connacht champions I suppose but much easier to come through as provincial champions
Bringing group stages into the all ireland might diminished the league a bit with before you may have only two championship games and one pre backdoor so the league was seen as the competition that you could fall back on if you had an ealrly exit from all ireland
Quote from: An Watcher on February 08, 2024, 07:16:19 AMI know Tyrone weren't great last year but 3rd seeds did them no favours. Kerry probably would have beaten them but not in the manner they did. Tyrone were bucked n kerry were fresh. There's always the possibility of not making an Ulster final and drawing the connacht champions I suppose but much easier to come through as provincial champions
Mayo beat Kerry and Roscommon drew with Dublin in their first group games so that tells another tale.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 08, 2024, 01:07:28 PMBringing group stages into the all ireland might diminished the league a bit with before you may have only two championship games and one pre backdoor so the league was seen as the competition that you could fall back on if you had an ealrly exit from all ireland
One should never tear down something without knowing why it was built in the first place. GK Chesterton
Quote from: onefineday on February 08, 2024, 01:31:00 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2024, 01:02:20 PMQuote from: Eire90 on February 06, 2024, 07:49:02 PMWould the league be even more important if after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.
It would obviously be more important but the reality is there is no way this will ever happen while the provincial councils have such a massive chunk of votes.
I think making is so that the provincial losers weren't the 2nd seeds would improve things some small bit.
We need the league to matter more and both suggestions above would help.
I see a few mentioning the importance of winning Ulster for Ulster sides, but I've been saying for a while, once people realise the futility of it, the allure will diminish and crowds will start to drop off. I'd like to see Derry win again this year, simply for 3 in a row, but they might be better served by an early exit. That said, there's definitely a few Ulster teams who really could do with that win - Donegal, Down and Armagh should all be focused on Ulster success.
As for Derry fans thinking Mickey is the missing element guaranteed to bring us Sam, I can assure you, there's plenty of us who think his last decade with Tyrone did them no favours and weren't in favour of his conservative approach coming to Derry - the jury is very definitely out, McKenna cup or not!!
I never understand this kind of thinking. It's the Ulster Championship ffs. The league is downplayed, McKenna mocked and now the provencial.
Talking about a team being better off out of Ulster as it might give your county a better shot at winning Sam..? I just can't understand this thinking. A tournament (All Ireland) that at the start of the year, 2 or 3 teams can realistically win.
I'd love to see Derry win Ulster again, and not just because it would be 3 in row, because it's the Ulster title, the best county in the province.
I'd love 6 or 7 in a row. If you're winning Ulster, you're not a million miles off...
Agree 100%. Would love Armagh to win Ulster this year and it would mean the world to both the squad and supporters.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 08, 2024, 04:04:15 PMAgree 100%. Would love Armagh to win Ulster this year and it would mean the world to both the squad and supporters.
Clones, Ulster Final day. One of the great sporting occasions
Quote from: JoG2 on February 08, 2024, 03:59:18 PMQuote from: onefineday on February 08, 2024, 01:31:00 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on February 07, 2024, 01:02:20 PMQuote from: Eire90 on February 06, 2024, 07:49:02 PMWould the league be even more important if after provincial champs the seeding went by league standings.
It would obviously be more important but the reality is there is no way this will ever happen while the provincial councils have such a massive chunk of votes.
I think making is so that the provincial losers weren't the 2nd seeds would improve things some small bit.
We need the league to matter more and both suggestions above would help.
I see a few mentioning the importance of winning Ulster for Ulster sides, but I've been saying for a while, once people realise the futility of it, the allure will diminish and crowds will start to drop off. I'd like to see Derry win again this year, simply for 3 in a row, but they might be better served by an early exit. That said, there's definitely a few Ulster teams who really could do with that win - Donegal, Down and Armagh should all be focused on Ulster success.
As for Derry fans thinking Mickey is the missing element guaranteed to bring us Sam, I can assure you, there's plenty of us who think his last decade with Tyrone did them no favours and weren't in favour of his conservative approach coming to Derry - the jury is very definitely out, McKenna cup or not!!
I never understand this kind of thinking. It's the Ulster Championship ffs. The league is downplayed, McKenna mocked and now the provencial.
Talking about a team being better off out of Ulster as it might give your county a better shot at winning Sam..? I just can't understand this thinking. A tournament (All Ireland) that at the start of the year, 2 or 3 teams can realistically win.
I'd love to see Derry win Ulster again, and not just because it would be 3 in row, because it's the Ulster title, the best county in the province.
I'd love 6 or 7 in a row. If you're winning Ulster, you're not a million miles off...
Some think Harte kept a poor Tyrone team competitive for quite a few years when they had no right to be and with a few new quality additions they were just becoming really competitive again. The AI winning team could be described as Harte's team - although possibly with a bounce from new management - and a degree of luck, which all teams need. Harte also made huge improvements to Louth - Derry are probably hoping he can do similar with them - although incremental improvements often get harder and harder to achieve.
Quote from: seafoid on February 08, 2024, 03:35:25 PMQuote from: Eire90 on February 08, 2024, 01:07:28 PMBringing group stages into the all ireland might diminished the league a bit with before you may have only two championship games and one pre backdoor so the league was seen as the competition that you could fall back on if you had an ealrly exit from all ireland
One should never tear down something without knowing why it was built in the first place. GK Chesterton
The great Gaels of Ireland are the men that God made mad,
For all their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad.
All set for trip to Croker tomorrow.
Going by the number of injuries rumoured plus Donie suspended it could be a long evening.
Hopefully we can keep it tight throughout (and bore the TV audience) and who knows?
Those of ye into betting on lost causes it's apparently 9 to 1 Ros, 10 to 1 Draw.
Only 1 team can win a All-Ireland and that tends to be Dublin this weather. Best to compete for whatever else is on the table.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGc18CFXsAAtTXr?format=jpg&name=small)
Sean Kelly back a boost for Galway but still without the likes of Liam Slike,Damien Comer,Cillian McDaid,Shane Walsh.
Clifford brothers starting for kerry.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 16, 2024, 10:03:15 PMClifford brothers starting for kerry.
Was away over half term, forgot to get teams in... Only had the 2 weeks to do it ;D
OConnor some bullsh1ter.. said he'd rest the clifford brothers till middle of league, yet they barely got 1.5 games in.
Dubs getting frees much easier in croke park. Tackle the man everytime and get away with it
Derry 6 ahead at HT controlled it well this half.
Monaghan with a lot of possession but haven't know what to do with it. They have a bit of pace if they'd use it right but O'Hanlon looks to have tweaked the hamstring so doubt he'll be back out.
McKaigue will do well not to get sent off!
Quote from: screenexile on February 17, 2024, 05:40:01 PMDerry 6 ahead at HT controlled it well this half.
Monaghan with a lot of possession but haven't know what to do with it. They have a bit of pace if they'd use it right but O'Hanlon looks to have tweaked the hamstring so doubt he'll be back out.
McKaigue will do well not to get sent off!
Why is that? On this year and last year recent performances alone not sure he should start but suppose the experience could be valuable
Quote from: NotedObserver on February 17, 2024, 05:41:49 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 17, 2024, 05:40:01 PMDerry 6 ahead at HT controlled it well this half.
Monaghan with a lot of possession but haven't know what to do with it. They have a bit of pace if they'd use it right but O'Hanlon looks to have tweaked the hamstring so doubt he'll be back out.
McKaigue will do well not to get sent off!
Why is that? On this year and last year recent performances alone not sure he should start but suppose the experience could be valuable
Doing stupid stuff he ran across one of the Monaghan lads then actually got his yellow for roaring in the face of a Monaghan player when we got the goal. Think he got the last free moved forward for mouthing as well.
Needs to tone it down a bit he's been very good apart from that!
Is it just me or has Chrissy got more crabbit/feisty as he reaches veteran stage?
Half time Dublin 0-8 Roscommon 0-7. The rossies a bit unlucky on two occasions in that half. Possible penalty and goal not given when attempted fist over the bar deflected into the net off a Dublins defender hand.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 17, 2024, 05:52:15 PMHalf time Dublin 0-8 Roscommon 0-7. The rossies a bit unlucky on two occasions in that half. Possible penalty and goal not given when attempted fist over the bar deflected into the net off a Dublins defender hand.
Did it deflect? Thought it looked like it just went straight in. Dubs few wides you wouldn't expect, Fenton with couple of nice scores.
We played pretty well but Monaghan were awful the whole game.
They'll be scrambling around again on the last day it looks like!
Derry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
Quote from: sidelineball on February 17, 2024, 06:53:24 PMDerry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
What month is it again ?
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 07:05:21 PMQuote from: sidelineball on February 17, 2024, 06:53:24 PMDerry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
What month is it again ?
Seafoid, why take the bait.
that twit will now use one of his other 8 alias to continue this asinine conversation.
Quote from: joemamas on February 17, 2024, 07:07:10 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 07:05:21 PMQuote from: sidelineball on February 17, 2024, 06:53:24 PMDerry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
What month is it again ?
Seafoid, why take the bait.
that twit will now use one of his other 8 alias to continue this asinine conversation.
Thanks Joe. I have no idea who the trolls are these days
Quote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 07:05:21 PMQuote from: sidelineball on February 17, 2024, 06:53:24 PMDerry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
What month is it again ?
It's February Bro....
Quote from: sidelineball on February 17, 2024, 06:53:24 PMDerry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
What a load of bollocks!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 17, 2024, 05:48:30 PMIs it just me or has Chrissy got more crabbit/feisty as he reaches veteran stage?
Always has been I'd say
Trolling aside fair play to Derry they are flying. Nothing won in February obviously.
Quote from: Brendan on February 17, 2024, 07:48:38 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 17, 2024, 05:48:30 PMIs it just me or has Chrissy got more crabbit/feisty as he reaches veteran stage?
Always has been I'd say
He doesn't take a backward step that's for sure. Monaghan i suppose tried to show they meant business early on. Those wee side shows are part and parcel. How McCarron ended up with a solitary booking is a mystery.
Murray limping tenderly at h/t isn't a good sign.
Niall Loughlin has had a superb start to the season.
A clear PA and much better fayre at the new chip van were also positives
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 07:53:12 PMTrolling aside fair play to Derry they are flying. Nothing won in February obviously.
Derry are going to clean up in 2024. Similar to Tyrone 2003.
That win should be enough to guarantee us a place with the big boys chasing Sam this year.
Not that long ago we were in div 4; we'll take the good days while they last.
This is a bad enough watch without the ref making it any worse. He's rewarding lads and letting them off the hook for carrying the ball into contact unnecessarily and getting bottled up.
Quote from: clarshack on February 17, 2024, 08:22:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 07:53:12 PMTrolling aside fair play to Derry they are flying. Nothing won in February obviously.
Derry are going to clean up in 2024. Similar to Tyrone 2003.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't. You win games at this stage, you've peaked to early. Are we meant to go out and lose games?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 17, 2024, 08:34:48 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 17, 2024, 08:22:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 07:53:12 PMTrolling aside fair play to Derry they are flying. Nothing won in February obviously.
Derry are going to clean up in 2024. Similar to Tyrone 2003.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't. You win games at this stage, you've peaked to early. Are we meant to go out and lose games?
In their minds they're setting Derry up for fall ffs.. Madness in Feb
Very open game here both teams getting scores quite easily at times. You'd expect Kerry to turn it on for the last 10 but Mayo aren't going away.
Jez, is there anybody other than the biased mono-tone Fitzmaurice RTE could have on co-commentary. That and lets count the wides Ger Canning.
Plenty of them for him to count tonight anyway.
I don't understand the role O'Shea plays/is supposed to play in this Mayo team. Adds next to nothing.
Kerry nearly fucked that in the bin. Awful match. Terrible decision from mayo to meet Brickenden hit the last mark.
F*** Clifford anyway, ruined my draw prediction!
Some score by David Clifford to win it. Both will be happy enough to get such a competitive contest this time of year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 17, 2024, 09:07:02 PMSome score by David Clifford to win it. Both will be happy enough to get such a competitive contest this time of year.
But but but it's only February
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 17, 2024, 05:48:30 PMIs it just me or has Chrissy got more crabbit/feisty as he reaches veteran stage?
All the great players do this. They seem to be always complaining to the referee constantly also. Seem to want to ref the game.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 17, 2024, 08:38:00 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 17, 2024, 08:34:48 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 17, 2024, 08:22:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 07:53:12 PMTrolling aside fair play to Derry they are flying. Nothing won in February obviously.
Derry are going to clean up in 2024. Similar to Tyrone 2003.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't. You win games at this stage, you've peaked to early. Are we meant to go out and lose games?
In their minds they're setting Derry up for fall ffs.. Madness in Feb
No absolutely not.
Since the start of last year Derry have only lost 2 games, 1 by a point in an AI semi and one in a league final. People talking about us peaking too early don't seem to realise this Derry team have went flat out for every game for the past 4 years. The old timing your run adage is from a bygone era when you had a month between championship games.
Quote from: joemamas on February 17, 2024, 07:07:10 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 17, 2024, 07:05:21 PMQuote from: sidelineball on February 17, 2024, 06:53:24 PMDerry are some outfit, beat 2022 All Ireland Champions Kerry in their own backyard, hammered Tyrone and destroyed Monaghan. Won the McKenna cup at a canter and back to back Ulster titles. Very hard to look past them for major silverware this year especially with Harte in charge.
What month is it again ?
Seafoid, why take the bait.
that twit will now use one of his other 8 alias to continue this asinine conversation.
No trolling here. Don't think I said anything controversial, Derry are absolutely flying as my Doire friends remind me constantly. Definitely one of the favourites for silverware that's an obvious surely? They are the dominant team in Ulster and will have their sights set firmly on Sam.
Their wins so far this season have set down a precedent.
Quote from: clarshack on February 17, 2024, 08:22:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2024, 07:53:12 PMTrolling aside fair play to Derry they are flying. Nothing won in February obviously.
Derry are going to clean up in 2024. Similar to Tyrone 2003.
Has that vibe about it. Tyrone were on a mission that year and you get that sense with Derry too.
Another stuttery display by our lads and got well beaten 2nd half.
Can't have any complaints on the overall balance of play.
However the chalking off of a legal goal and denial of a penalty didnt help.
Not a good day for Mr Hurson and his umpires at the Hill end.
We are in deep relegation bother now and need to beat Monaghan next weekend to keep any hope of staying up.
Is it time to start saying its only th'oul League and thinking of May/June?
Or are we only codding ourselves?
Hurson is a poor ref
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2024, 11:53:39 PMAnother stuttery display by our lads and got well beaten 2nd half.
Can't have any complaints on the overall balance of play.
However the chalking off of a legal goal and denial of a penalty didnt help.
Not a good day for Mr Hurson and his umpires at the Hill end.
We are in deep relegation bother now and need to beat Monaghan next weekend to keep any hope of staying up.
Is it time to start saying its only th'oul League and thinking of May/June?
Or are we only codding ourselves?
Only Dublin, Kerry or Galway are allowed to do this
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2024, 11:53:39 PMAnother stuttery display by our lads and got well beaten 2nd half.
Can't have any complaints on the overall balance of play.
However the chalking off of a legal goal and denial of a penalty didnt help.
Not a good day for Mr Hurson and his umpires at the Hill end.
We are in deep relegation bother now and need to beat Monaghan next weekend to keep any hope of staying up.
Is it time to start saying its only th'oul League and thinking of May/June?
Or are we only codding ourselves?
Th'oul league these days is the new FBD. If you think of the allstars in terms of managers, 3 non finalist managers were recogised last year and Davy was one of them.
Davy seems to be taking it handy this month. He is probably working on the scenarios under the radar while giving game time to new lads. I expect to see the neighbours in the quarter finals at least. Davy will have noted that Monaghan got to the semi final stage last year. The Brigids lads add something extra too. Ye will be ready this time.
We need you on the backroom squad as a positive psychologist Seafín ;D
A lot of negativity around this morning!
It would be a nice social experiment some time.
Rossies v Dublin scheduled for first week of National League.
Roscommon clubs are ejected from AI club series and its players ejected from player Sigerson.
Dublin agree not to collectively train from October until the match, and only meet up on the morning of the match.
Play the game in Roscommon too ffs.
We all know what the outcome will be.
And availability for collective training has f**k all squared to do with it.
Quote from: Mario on February 18, 2024, 07:13:35 AMQuote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2024, 11:53:39 PMAnother stuttery display by our lads and got well beaten 2nd half.
Can't have any complaints on the overall balance of play.
However the chalking off of a legal goal and denial of a penalty didnt help.
Not a good day for Mr Hurson and his umpires at the Hill end.
We are in deep relegation bother now and need to beat Monaghan next weekend to keep any hope of staying up.
Is it time to start saying its only th'oul League and thinking of May/June?
Or are we only codding ourselves?
Only Dublin, Kerry or Galway are allowed to do this
Dublin and Kerry win All-Irelands though
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2024, 12:51:55 PMIt would be a nice social experiment some time.
Rossies v Dublin scheduled for first week of National League.
Roscommon clubs are ejected from AI club series and its players ejected from player Sigerson.
Dublin agree not to collectively train from October until the match, and only meet up on the morning of the match.
Play the game in Roscommon too ffs.
We all know what the outcome will be.
And availability for collective training has f**k all squared to do with it.
I have had underage teams where players would be missing from training due to other commitments. On Match day they would be out of the loop as to formations, game plays, tempo, bonding and so on. You won't cover stuff like that 15 minutes before a match or while the match is going on.
Collective training mean collective thinking.
Nice day for football but this Tyrone v Galway match has all the hallmarks of a pure war of attrition contest. Galway 4-2 ahead on 20 minutes.
That's a red if it's a rugby game!!
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 02:10:28 PMThat's a red if it's a rugby game!!
But it is not a rugby game....
Niall Morgan is becoming a very unlikeable footballer. Becoming a pure mouth with macho man attempts.
Quote from: les Antiques on February 18, 2024, 02:13:22 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 02:10:28 PMThat's a red if it's a rugby game!!
But it is not a rugby game....
what did Frank Burns get a red fir against Galway last year
Quote from: 5times5times on February 18, 2024, 02:15:30 PMNiall Morgan is becoming a very unlikeable footballer. Becoming a pure mouth with macho man attempts.
Niall Morgan is, by a good bit, Tyrone's best player (in general).. A serious asset.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 18, 2024, 02:18:32 PMQuote from: 5times5times on February 18, 2024, 02:15:30 PMNiall Morgan is becoming a very unlikeable footballer. Becoming a pure mouth with macho man attempts.
Niall Morgan is, by a good bit, Tyrone's best player (in general).. A serious asset.
Some of his kick outs has been poor.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 18, 2024, 02:15:30 PMNiall Morgan is becoming a very unlikeable footballer. Becoming a pure mouth with macho man attempts.
"Becoming"?? Really??
As many know I'm very rarely on Tyrone's side but rugby or GAA a shoulder to the head should be a red card all day long!
That Galway forward line is seriously poor.. Tyrone well in control without even doing much
half time Tyrone 0-6 Galway 0-4
Finnerty was giving Clarke a hard time first 10 mins but stopped trying to hit him or free him up.
Quote from: Onthe40 on February 18, 2024, 02:26:15 PMThat Galway forward line is seriously poor.. Tyrone well in control without even doing much
The Galway forward line is always poor when Comer doesn't play.
It's ridiculous how reliant we are on him.
Nobody wanted to shoot in that first half other than Finnerty.
Loads of defenders carrying the ball side to side but that lateral play is meat and drink to county defences.
Fitzgerald, Mulkerrin carrying lots of ball but they're not a scoring threat and opposition teams know that so they can stand off them and worry about marking other players.
And then we bring on Cein D'Arcy yet again as a wing forward when he can't get up and down the pitch.
Frustrating
Quote from: Onthe40 on February 18, 2024, 02:26:15 PMThat Galway forward line is seriously poor.. Tyrone well in control without even doing much
Finnerty lad has done alright with three scores. Galway forward line relies on Walsh and Comer fairly average without both. Tyrone forward line with just two scores from play in that half which is poor also.
Good to see a ref not buy mckernans diving antics.
0-6 each in Omagh 40 mins played.
Tyrone lucky that Matthew Tierney has missed a few easy frees.
McQuillian very poor. Nothing for Tyrone. Overly physical challenges from Galway ignored and unpunished.
10 minutes to play Tyrone 0-10 Galway 1-8
Galway three in front with 67 minutes played.
FT Galway 1-10 to 0-12 winners.
Morgan has been Tyrone's best player the last 2 matches.
Joe was sore on Tyrone I thought but sure isn't that great!!!
Quote from: trailer on February 18, 2024, 03:03:59 PMMcQuillian very poor. Nothing for Tyrone. Overly physical challenges from Galway ignored and unpunished.
Glad to see he didn't fall for any Tyrone threatrics. Good to see.
No leaders in Tyrone to take the shot at the end.
I thought Tyrone probably deserved something from that game. Daly needs to shoot at the end there, it's not unlimited time until the attack breaks down.
Shocking that no Tyrone player would take responsibility and shoot for an equaliser.
Galway completely toothless up front and win in Omagh, very worrying from a Tyrone perspective
A hard watch but an important win in terms of trying to stay in Div 1.
Some terrible turnovers late on that could have been very costly but got away with them. A poor enough day from placed balls also. Great to have Kelly back but more of the frontline lads will be required in the next few weeks.
Tyrone "well in control" and "could go up a gear if needed"
Why was Sean Kelly's point not allowed at the end?
Too many Tyrone lads turned down the chance to kick a point at the end. Can't expect the ref to allow play to keep going. Played an extra 45 seconds and the only stoppage that time could be added on for was a substitution
No sympathy for the ending there. Should have taken the shot.
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2024, 03:25:50 PMWhy was Sean Kelly's point not allowed at the end?
Too many Tyrone lads turned down the chance to kick a point at the end. Can't expect the ref to allow play to keep going. Played an extra 45 seconds and the only stoppage that time could be added on for was a substitution
Think he hand passed it into the net?
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 18, 2024, 03:26:37 PMQuote from: Hound on February 18, 2024, 03:25:50 PMWhy was Sean Kelly's point not allowed at the end?
Too many Tyrone lads turned down the chance to kick a point at the end. Can't expect the ref to allow play to keep going. Played an extra 45 seconds and the only stoppage that time could be added on for was a substitution
Think he hand passed it into the net?
Oh, I thought it went over. That explains it! Cheers
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2024, 03:25:50 PMWhy was Sean Kelly's point not allowed at the end?
Too many Tyrone lads turned down the chance to kick a point at the end. Can't expect the ref to allow play to keep going. Played an extra 45 seconds and the only stoppage that time could be added on for was a substitution
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2024, 03:25:50 PMWhy was Sean Kelly's point not allowed at the end?
Too many Tyrone lads turned down the chance to kick a point at the end. Can't expect the ref to allow play to keep going. Played an extra 45 seconds and the only stoppage that time could be added on for was a substitution
Did the fisted effort not go into the net?
Quote from: clarshack on February 18, 2024, 02:55:31 PMTyrone lucky that Matthew Tierney has missed a few easy frees.
Galway were lucky he was on the park to hit them! Clear cut red card in the first half. I didn't complain too much about Kilpatrick's red against Roscommon even though it should have been yellow, because he was asking for trouble flying into a challenge like that. But then you see that today, a clear red and it isn't given.
Tyrone performance nowhere near good enough regardless. Too many mistakes, poor decision making and lack of leadership. Seconds left and nobody is willing to take on a shot. Very poor and likely a very damaging defeat.
Quote from: clarshack on February 18, 2024, 03:24:34 PMShocking that no Tyrone player would take responsibility and shoot for an equaliser.
Looking at it again, it seems they were waiting for Morgan to come up to take it on!
In fairness, it's probably difficult for players to know exactly where they were on the 4 mins added time
Quote from: greatpoint on February 18, 2024, 03:25:34 PMTyrone "well in control" and "could go up a gear if needed"
I see the "could go up a gear" post has been deleted, hilarious.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on February 18, 2024, 03:25:17 PMA hard watch but an important win in terms of trying to stay in Div 1.
Some terrible turnovers late on that could have been very costly but got away with them. A poor enough day from placed balls also. Great to have Kelly back but more of the frontline lads will be required in the next few weeks.
Absolutely there are a few lads not up to this level (in my opinion) getting game time at the moment.
If we can get everyone fit we'll be a different animal.
Sean Kelly, Liam Silke, Cillian McDaid, Shane Walsh, Damien Comer.
Daniel O Flaherty had a huge impact today when he came on. He has wheels
Tyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
Tyrone poor again. If Mayo turn them over next week I'd say the game v Monaghan in Round 6 will sort out the relegation picture.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.
It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 05:09:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.
It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!
This was absolutely the case. Tyrone were lucky that they were in a position to win it with Covid etc. but it's an AI regardless, and all the sweeter for coming unexpected.
Plenty of very average kerry n dublin teams won all irelands over the years. Christ sake, at times kerry only had one proper match. Was nice to take an unexpected all ireland. What derry, Armagh, donegal or down would give fir an unexpected one but chin up, ye never know
Ah jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.
Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.
Quote from: square_ball on February 18, 2024, 05:20:10 PMAh jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.
Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.
Correctamundo..
Typical begrudgery. Dublin and Limerick won All Irelands in empty stadiums in December the previous year and no mention of Covid All Irelands. Tyrone won well... Kerry had the option of not playing semi-final when Tyrone requested an extra week but thought it would be a nice challenge match before the All Ireland final.. 2021 All Ireland champions Tyrone. Get over it 🏆
Quote from: square_ball on February 18, 2024, 05:20:10 PMAh jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.
Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.
They were imo. Not lucky with decisions, but lucky that they squeezed it out before that squad started to fade. In a normal year, I'd have tipped Dublin to win it. That's no slight on that Tyrone team, quite the opposite. There's been many a county who would have been at a similar level to that Tyrone team and not got an AI. Take your dinner when it's hot.
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 05:09:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.
It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!
An average team who beat Cavan (Ulster champions), Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo (comfortably).
Please please can people stop the "Tyrone were lucky" crap because its getting boring. They were the best team in Ireland that year. If they were lucky they wouldn't have had half the squad missing for the Ulster final!
Dublin and Kerry regularly win all Irelands only needing to beat 1 or 2 Division 1 teams... Lucky?
Tyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
Tyrone have 5 or 6 All Star players missing - Meyler, Burns, McCurry, McShane, Mattie Donnelly, McGeary (latter played 15 mins) so they are missing a few players. Should improve when they have full squad available
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
Meath 1996 and Kerry 1997 weren't great either.
Dublin 2020 was the easiest AI run ever.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.
They were still a handy outfit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
Even in those good years I think mayo could have taken Dublin once or twice but only in a semi final.
Davis only got sent off be because cahalane didn't. Cork were never beating Derry that year.
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 05:09:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.
It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!
People weren't saying this at the time. They had beaten a Mayo team by 5 points that knocked out 6 in a row Dublin, Kerry, Monaghan, Donegal and Ulster Champions Cavan to win that All Ireland. It was only after Tyrone performed badly in 2022 and moreso in 2023 that pundits began the revisionist history.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
That game was so odd. After a decade of some very good displays against Dublin and mostly losing narrowly, that was probably their worst display yet it was good enough to get over the line. That was a terrible semi final of very low quality, not helped by some poor conditions. Dublin were a beaten docket that year waiting to be put out of their misery, as was hinted at in Leinster
It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss
Quote from: Manning18 on February 18, 2024, 06:21:08 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
That game was so odd. After a decade of some very good displays against Dublin and mostly losing narrowly, that was probably their worst display yet it was good enough to get over the line. That was a terrible semi final of very low quality, not helped by some poor conditions. Dublin were a beaten docket that year waiting to be put out of their misery, as was hinted at in Leinster
It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss
Referee gave Mayo a few disputable decisions toward the end of normal time. Decisions the Dubs normally get at home.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 18, 2024, 06:21:08 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
That game was so odd. After a decade of some very good displays against Dublin and mostly losing narrowly, that was probably their worst display yet it was good enough to get over the line. That was a terrible semi final of very low quality, not helped by some poor conditions. Dublin were a beaten docket that year waiting to be put out of their misery, as was hinted at in Leinster
It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss
That's why they sent for Paddy Tally.. sorted out their defence.
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 05:09:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.
It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the League in February
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 05:09:31 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 04:23:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 03:59:42 PMTyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble
It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.
As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.
It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!
Weren't that far away. Had been to an All Ireland final three years earlier. Got in a management that let them kick the ball long and take a few risks... the rest as they say was... Sam!
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 18, 2024, 06:00:40 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
Even in those good years I think mayo could have taken Dublin once or twice but only in a semi final.
Davis only got sent off be because cahalane didn't. Cork were never beating Derry that year.
Cork destroyed Mayo in the semi final. Derry had a real match against the Dubs. They were 5 points down at half time and won by a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E
Quote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
I know, imagine giving out All Stars to them.. Sometimes it's better to keep quiet than remove any doubt
On Tyrone, best team that year, All Ireland Champions to prove it.. Another wee red star on the sleeve of their jersey
Quote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Disagree Derry was decent team better than Dublin in 1995.
The Dub all Ireland in 1995 was a sympathy f**k after losing to Donegal, Derry and Down in the previous 3 years. For a while it looked like Charlie Redmond would never win Sam.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 18, 2024, 05:26:25 PMQuote from: square_ball on February 18, 2024, 05:20:10 PMAh jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.
Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.
They were imo. Not lucky with decisions, but lucky that they squeezed it out before that squad started to fade. In a normal year, I'd have tipped Dublin to win it. That's no slight on that Tyrone team, quite the opposite. There's been many a county who would have been at a similar level to that Tyrone team and not got an AI. Take your dinner when it's hot.
Exactly. There was a vacuum there in the sense that Mayo surprised Dublin and Kerry weren't as good as they thought; Tyrone rushed in to fill the vacuum. But their win was the 'Leicester City' of this century.
Quote from: mouview on February 18, 2024, 07:45:45 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on February 18, 2024, 05:26:25 PMQuote from: square_ball on February 18, 2024, 05:20:10 PMAh jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.
Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.
They were imo. Not lucky with decisions, but lucky that they squeezed it out before that squad started to fade. In a normal year, I'd have tipped Dublin to win it. That's no slight on that Tyrone team, quite the opposite. There's been many a county who would have been at a similar level to that Tyrone team and not got an AI. Take your dinner when it's hot.
Exactly. There was a vacuum there in the sense that Mayo surprised Dublin and Kerry weren't as good as they thought; Tyrone rushed in to fill the vacuum. But their win was the 'Leicester City' of this century.
Tyrone had done the hard yards and lost the final in 2018. They would have won earlier if the Dubs had been a normal team. So would Kerry. Leicester came out of nowhere. Tyrone did not. They had one chance and they took it. Maybe they were lucky to play Mayo in the final but you beat whoever is in front of you.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 18, 2024, 06:21:08 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss
Nonsense. Tyrone were down to 14 for 20 minutes and visibly tired in the second half of extra time, allowing Kerry to get back within a point. People have an awful habit of overrating Kerry teams because of the name. It was a decent Kerry team but not a great one. The better team won that day.
Ultimately Tyrone had been knocking at the door for a few years but Dublin were well ahead and we were also hamstrung by an overly cautious approach. In 2021 they had a license to open up more, the Dubs had gone back a few levels, Mayo weren't the team who had pushed them so close, and Kerry were overrated. Tyrone were the best team.
In truth there was more in that team. McShane wasn't fully fit, Darragh was still very young and we hadn't quite worked out how best to employ McKenna. There were more gears. But they rightfully celebrated an unexpected AI and between that and sated ambitions, then injuries, retirals (and McKenna heading off), they never again got back on course before the team started to break up. And there's no crime in that.
The one stroke of luck that Tyrone had that year was that Mayo took out Dublin.
Tyrone were probably a better side than Mayo at the time but I don't honestly believe they'd have beaten Dublin in 10 attempts. That 2018 final had them scarred beyond words.
I also do believe that's why so many of the Tyrone team have dropped performance levels and/ stepped away since then. They didn't ever expect to win an AI, as they didn't ever expect to beat Dublin. They were never going to have the greed or drive of KK hurlers or Dublin footballers. One wasn't plenty, but it was enough.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 18, 2024, 07:51:32 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 18, 2024, 06:21:08 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss
Nonsense. Tyrone were down to 14 for 20 minutes and visibly tired in the second half of extra time, allowing Kerry to get back within a point. People have an awful habit of overrating Kerry teams because of the name. It was a decent Kerry team but not a great one. The better team won that day.
Ultimately Tyrone had been knocking at the door for a few years but Dublin were well ahead and we were also hamstrung by an overly cautious approach. In 2021 they had a license to open up more, the Dubs had gone back a few levels, Mayo weren't the team who had pushed them so close, and Kerry were overrated. Tyrone were the best team.
In truth there was more in that team. McShane wasn't fully fit, Darragh was still very young and we hadn't quite worked out how best to employ McKenna. There were more gears. But they rightfully celebrated an unexpected AI and between that and sated ambitions, then injuries, retirals (and McKenna heading off), they never again got back on course before the team started to break up. And there's no crime in that.
I'm don't mean to diminish Tyrone, in the wider context of this discussion I actually think they were decent winners. McShane not starting and Tiernan McCann not even getting on the pitch are signs of a very strong squad overall. Morgan had a season of seasons, the midfield pair were excellent and their scoring efficiency in semi and final that year was superb
I don't think it changes the feeling though that Kerry completely threw it away that year. Simple goals not worked, extremely simple fisted points going wide, missing frees. All the while conceding very soft goals and the game was still a draw in normal time after all that. And the best player in the land couldn't play in ET remember
I don't think Kerry will mind all that much though in hindsight. Would they have brought in O'Connor and Tally and set up the Tadgh Morley sweeper system that allowed them to win the following year had they got over the line in 21? Probably not
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 05:59:23 PMQuote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.
They were still a handy outfit.
I'd say Heaney...Barton...Cassidy...Brolly...Downey...Gormley...McNicholl...Burns would all have a difference of opinion....
In terms of Tyrone and winning the A.I in the covid year...fair play....the Sam Maguire is sitting in front of you....you have to play the games to win it so fair play...
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 18, 2024, 08:22:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 05:59:23 PMQuote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.
They were still a handy outfit.
I'd say Heaney...Barton...Cassidy...Brolly...Downey...Gormley...McNicholl...Burns would all have a difference of opinion....
In terms of Tyrone and winning the A.I in the covid year...fair play....the Sam Maguire is sitting in front of you....you have to play the games to win it so fair play...
The "Covid year" is surely 2020 where there were no fans, All Ireland played week before Christmas etc., rather than 2021
Next week...
Tyrone v Mayo
Dublin v Kerry
Galway v Derry
Roscommon v Monaghan
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 18, 2024, 09:14:26 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 18, 2024, 08:22:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 05:59:23 PMQuote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.
They were still a handy outfit.
I'd say Heaney...Barton...Cassidy...Brolly...Downey...Gormley...McNicholl...Burns would all have a difference of opinion....
In terms of Tyrone and winning the A.I in the covid year...fair play....the Sam Maguire is sitting in front of you....you have to play the games to win it so fair play...
The "Covid year" is surely 2020 where there were no fans, All Ireland played week before Christmas etc., rather than 2021
The covid postponement then maybe....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 18, 2024, 10:15:08 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on February 18, 2024, 09:14:26 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 18, 2024, 08:22:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 05:59:23 PMQuote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.
They were still a handy outfit.
I'd say Heaney...Barton...Cassidy...Brolly...Downey...Gormley...McNicholl...Burns would all have a difference of opinion....
In terms of Tyrone and winning the A.I in the covid year...fair play....the Sam Maguire is sitting in front of you....you have to play the games to win it so fair play...
The "Covid year" is surely 2020 where there were no fans, All Ireland played week before Christmas etc., rather than 2021
The covid postponement then maybe....
The "Covid" 😉 postponement!
Tyrone's starting 15 has fairly changed in 3 years. I know there are a few to come back but not sure if all of them are starters.
I'm still happy to see new blood being tried out. 2022-2023 indicated that something needed to change. It won't gel magically.
is cluxton officially retired.
Quote from: square_ball on February 18, 2024, 05:20:10 PMAh jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.
Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.
Armagh man here and as much as I was supporting whoever Tyrone played that year, you deserved and earned it that year.
Quote from: screenexile on February 18, 2024, 10:19:27 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 18, 2024, 10:15:08 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on February 18, 2024, 09:14:26 PMQuote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 18, 2024, 08:22:15 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2024, 05:59:23 PMQuote from: An Watcher on February 18, 2024, 05:41:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 18, 2024, 05:35:17 PMTyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.
No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards. Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers
Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.
They were still a handy outfit.
I'd say Heaney...Barton...Cassidy...Brolly...Downey...Gormley...McNicholl...Burns would all have a difference of opinion....
In terms of Tyrone and winning the A.I in the covid year...fair play....the Sam Maguire is sitting in front of you....you have to play the games to win it so fair play...
The "Covid year" is surely 2020 where there were no fans, All Ireland played week before Christmas etc., rather than 2021
The covid postponement then maybe....
The "Covid" 😉 postponement!
Oh look another conspiracy theorist who thinks Tyrone GAA were able to pull off the illusion of 15 young lads having covid without a photo or whisper of them out of isolation being leaked. What an operation.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2024, 07:52:08 PMThe one stroke of luck that Tyrone had that year was that Mayo took out Dublin.
Tyrone were probably a better side than Mayo at the time but I don't honestly believe they'd have beaten Dublin in 10 attempts. That 2018 final had them scarred beyond words.
I also do believe that's why so many of the Tyrone team have dropped performance levels and/ stepped away since then. They didn't ever expect to win an AI, as they didn't ever expect to beat Dublin. They were never going to have the greed or drive of KK hurlers or Dublin footballers. One wasn't plenty, but it was enough.
In the period since 2010 only one team has won more than one all Ireland. This is not the usual state of affairs.
From the 1960s to now ,Down won 2 twice , Galway won 3 and 2, Cork won 2, Tyrone won 3 . Meath won 2 twice and Kerry teams won multiple all Irelands 5 or 6 times. Now is very different. Even Kerry are reduced to looking for scraps. This is the house that the GAA built.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 18, 2024, 08:13:00 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 18, 2024, 07:51:32 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 18, 2024, 06:21:08 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 18, 2024, 05:45:40 PMDublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.
It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss
Nonsense. Tyrone were down to 14 for 20 minutes and visibly tired in the second half of extra time, allowing Kerry to get back within a point. People have an awful habit of overrating Kerry teams because of the name. It was a decent Kerry team but not a great one. The better team won that day.
Ultimately Tyrone had been knocking at the door for a few years but Dublin were well ahead and we were also hamstrung by an overly cautious approach. In 2021 they had a license to open up more, the Dubs had gone back a few levels, Mayo weren't the team who had pushed them so close, and Kerry were overrated. Tyrone were the best team.
In truth there was more in that team. McShane wasn't fully fit, Darragh was still very young and we hadn't quite worked out how best to employ McKenna. There were more gears. But they rightfully celebrated an unexpected AI and between that and sated ambitions, then injuries, retirals (and McKenna heading off), they never again got back on course before the team started to break up. And there's no crime in that.
I'm don't mean to diminish Tyrone, in the wider context of this discussion I actually think they were decent winners. McShane not starting and Tiernan McCann not even getting on the pitch are signs of a very strong squad overall. Morgan had a season of seasons, the midfield pair were excellent and their scoring efficiency in semi and final that year was superb
I don't think it changes the feeling though that Kerry completely threw it away that year. Simple goals not worked, extremely simple fisted points going wide, missing frees. All the while conceding very soft goals and the game was still a draw in normal time after all that. And the best player in the land couldn't play in ET remember
I don't think Kerry will mind all that much though in hindsight. Would they have brought in O'Connor and Tally and set up the Tadgh Morley sweeper system that allowed them to win the following year had they got over the line in 21? Probably not
We're basically on the same page here but "completely threw it away" doesn't really cover that Kerry weren't quite good enough in 2021. You talk there about missing chances and conceding soft goals, among other things. The following year they addressed a few of the issues that were there in 2021 and were better all round. Similarly Tyrone had gone backwards drastically, Mayo hadn't kicked on, the Dubs were still refocusing for having another crack at it and the emerging teams like Galway and Derry weren't quite at it yet.
I thought Tyrone are looking better than previous two years - although that doesn't say too much - a lot of players to come back in - but they will need a certain amount of luck for any sort of run this year. A lot of fresh faces employed in league games so far who are just about doing OK and will benefit from the exposure.
Galway something similar - a different team if they can get players back on the pitch - but cant be too optimistic for them this year either.
Dublin, Kerry and Derry look out on their own - just depends who comes up against who in latter stages of the Championship.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 19, 2024, 06:31:01 AMis cluxton officially retired.
He was part of the panel in Croke Park on Saturday evening
https://twitter.com/D9BMayo/status/1436563989857767427
Still class
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2024, 07:52:08 PMThe one stroke of luck that Tyrone had that year was that Mayo took out Dublin.
Tyrone were probably a better side than Mayo at the time but I don't honestly believe they'd have beaten Dublin in 10 attempts. That 2018 final had them scarred beyond words.
I also do believe that's why so many of the Tyrone team have dropped performance levels and/ stepped away since then. They didn't ever expect to win an AI, as they didn't ever expect to beat Dublin. They were never going to have the greed or drive of KK hurlers or Dublin footballers. One wasn't plenty, but it was enough.
David Clifford getting injured in the semi final was another lucky break.
RTE podcast
Interesting discussion re Rossies at 19:10
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0219/1433179-kerry-and-mayo-deliver-big-wins-for-dubs-and-galway/
Davy doesn't do careful manager speak ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2024, 07:05:37 PMDavy doesn't do careful manager speak ;D
He is such a breath of fresh air
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2024, 03:01:28 PMQuote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2024, 07:52:08 PMThe one stroke of luck that Tyrone had that year was that Mayo took out Dublin.
Tyrone were probably a better side than Mayo at the time but I don't honestly believe they'd have beaten Dublin in 10 attempts. That 2018 final had them scarred beyond words.
I also do believe that's why so many of the Tyrone team have dropped performance levels and/ stepped away since then. They didn't ever expect to win an AI, as they didn't ever expect to beat Dublin. They were never going to have the greed or drive of KK hurlers or Dublin footballers. One wasn't plenty, but it was enough.
David Clifford getting injured in the semi final was another lucky break.
They didn't manage to win in the 70 minutes normal time with him so that arguement bit hypothetical...
Quote from: seafoid on February 19, 2024, 07:18:01 PMQuote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2024, 07:05:37 PMDavy doesn't do careful manager speak ;D
He is such a breath of fresh air
Looking more frustrated this year not helped with losing his two coaches to club teams, injuries to current panelists and good first choice players Conor Daly,Cian McKeon,Ciaran Murtagh opting out for the year.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 19, 2024, 07:24:54 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2024, 03:01:28 PMQuote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2024, 07:52:08 PMThe one stroke of luck that Tyrone had that year was that Mayo took out Dublin.
Tyrone were probably a better side than Mayo at the time but I don't honestly believe they'd have beaten Dublin in 10 attempts. That 2018 final had them scarred beyond words.
I also do believe that's why so many of the Tyrone team have dropped performance levels and/ stepped away since then. They didn't ever expect to win an AI, as they didn't ever expect to beat Dublin. They were never going to have the greed or drive of KK hurlers or Dublin footballers. One wasn't plenty, but it was enough.
David Clifford getting injured in the semi final was another lucky break.
They didn't manage to win in the 70 minutes normal time with him so that arguement bit hypothetical...
Didn't lose with him on the field either and lost by one point with him off the field. Won't get many to argue that Clifford going off injured was a lucky break for Tyrone.
The problem is if you are a manager that tends to say what's on your mind like Davy Burke, your comments will be a section on the podcasts as the 65 training sessions was on Parkinson's Smaller Fish and the RTE one above. The difference is at least Eamon Fitzmaurice knew that was normal if 3 + 2 gym sessions a week since early Nov whereas Wooly was as usual like the immature little child.
Davy however would be better off becoming a bit more like Jack O'Connor or Dessie Farrell and offer a few meaningless soundbytes, and also be a little less available to the media. Offering his level of detail is an unnecessary distraction to the team.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2024, 07:32:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 19, 2024, 07:24:54 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2024, 03:01:28 PMQuote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2024, 07:52:08 PMThe one stroke of luck that Tyrone had that year was that Mayo took out Dublin.
Tyrone were probably a better side than Mayo at the time but I don't honestly believe they'd have beaten Dublin in 10 attempts. That 2018 final had them scarred beyond words.
I also do believe that's why so many of the Tyrone team have dropped performance levels and/ stepped away since then. They didn't ever expect to win an AI, as they didn't ever expect to beat Dublin. They were never going to have the greed or drive of KK hurlers or Dublin footballers. One wasn't plenty, but it was enough.
David Clifford getting injured in the semi final was another lucky break.
They didn't manage to win in the 70 minutes normal time with him so that arguement bit hypothetical...
Didn't lose with him on the field either and lost by one point with him off the field. Won't get many to argue that Clifford going off injured was a lucky break for Tyrone.
Tyrone probably would have won anyway. Kerry had no defence, got Tally in to sort that out..
It was nice to see Canavan and McGrath having a good old fashioned one on one battle. Both of them with the bit between their teeth.
Quote from: weareros on February 19, 2024, 07:46:36 PMThe problem is if you are a manager that tends to say what's on your mind like Davy Burke, your comments will be a section on the podcasts as the 65 training sessions was on Parkinson's Smaller Fish and the RTE one above. The difference is at least Eamon Fitzmaurice knew that was normal if 3 + 2 gym sessions a week since early Nov whereas Wooly was as usual like the immature little child.
Davy however would be better off becoming a bit more like Jack O'Connor or Dessie Farrell and offer a few meaningless soundbytes, and also be a little less available to the media. Offering his level of detail is an unnecessary distraction to the team.
I'm sure Farrell is a good fella but interviewing him is a waste of everyone's time
Farrell knows it's all about throwing sound bites and cliches that don't really tell you anything.
Horan used to do the same hiding behind his peaked cap.
In my opinion the big issue Tyrone face is in their half back and half forward lines. You take the top teams currently in contention for the All Ireland - Kerry, Dublin, Derry, Mayo. These teams have middle 8s who are full of pace, power, energy and line breaking ability as well as scores.
If you compare just with Derry our likely Ulster Semi Final opponents - they have Gareth McKinless, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGroogan, Ethan Doherty, Ciaran McFaul as well as Rodger and Glass. Tyrone on the other hand haven't the same level of player to go alongside Kennedy and Kilpatrick. Meyler is a massive loss in this area. The jury is out on how much legs Peter Harte has left. Seanie O'Donnell would bring some of what I mention into this area. After that it is hard to see where Tyrone can get the injection or impetus from - a return of form of McGeary would help, Oguz at club level has shown capabilities, there has been glimpses so far from Ben Cullen. I don't think the other options - Michael O'Neill, Frank Burns, Michael McGleenan, Cormac Quinn, Niall Devlin, Tarlach Quinn, Aodhan Donaghy - can bring to the table what we need to push towards those top teams again. Ultimately the best players for this are not on the panel - Tiernan McCann and Rory Brennan.
I think unless Tyrone resolve their issues in these lines of the field, they will stay behind in the chasing pack on the Div1/2 boundary.
G the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
Poor Cavan, boys a dear
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
More chance of Derry beating Donegal than Tyrone beating Monaghan imo, although Cavan and Monaghan never a straightforward game for Monaghan so who knows.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
You would have to fancy the Semi Final to be Tyrone and Derry. In an Ulster championship game you would expect Derry to account for Donegal and Tyrone to account for either of Monaghan or Cavan.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 11:36:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
You would have to fancy the Semi Final to be Tyrone and Derry. In an Ulster championship game you would expect Derry to account for Donegal and Tyrone to account for either of Monaghan or Cavan.
Wouldn't really be confident of a tyrone win in ulster to be fair. Donegal will be derry first real test while I would expect them to win a donegal win wouldn't be too shocking
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2024, 04:51:45 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 11:36:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
You would have to fancy the Semi Final to be Tyrone and Derry. In an Ulster championship game you would expect Derry to account for Donegal and Tyrone to account for either of Monaghan or Cavan.
Wouldn't really be confident of a tyrone win in ulster to be fair. Donegal will be derry first real test while I would expect them to win a donegal win wouldn't be too shocking
Was Kerry not a test for Derry?
Kerry without the Clifford's are a completely different proposition to kerry with the Clifford's. A test but not a huge one
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2024, 04:51:45 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 11:36:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
You would have to fancy the Semi Final to be Tyrone and Derry. In an Ulster championship game you would expect Derry to account for Donegal and Tyrone to account for either of Monaghan or Cavan.
Wouldn't really be confident of a tyrone win in ulster to be fair. Donegal will be derry first real test while I would expect them to win a donegal win wouldn't be too shocking
I agree about Kerry without the Cliffords of course but I'd think Dublin and Mayo will be fairly big tests in the coming weeks. Not to mention Galway and Roscommon not being a walk in the park!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 21, 2024, 05:03:25 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 21, 2024, 04:51:45 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on February 21, 2024, 11:36:57 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2024, 08:10:37 PMG the arrogrance of just dismissing Donegal and Monaghan out of hand,
You would have to fancy the Semi Final to be Tyrone and Derry. In an Ulster championship game you would expect Derry to account for Donegal and Tyrone to account for either of Monaghan or Cavan.
Wouldn't really be confident of a tyrone win in ulster to be fair. Donegal will be derry first real test while I would expect them to win a donegal win wouldn't be too shocking
Was Kerry not a test for Derry?
Early games in the league are not quite the real thing, a couple of years ago Armagh hockeyed Dublin, but still fizzled out later in the season.
Huge difference in facing teams in national league vs knockout championship. Be interesting to see how both teams approach the game. Mickey will be keen to get a win over Jim.
Drop off In form not what it was when u were playing to September. Sure County fball be over for near all in 4/5 months
Since the '21 AI, this is Tyrone's record in league and championship.
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The grass isn't always greener
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2024, 10:39:03 PMSince the '21 AI, this is Tyrone's record in league and championship.
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It's dreadful stats but the team still remain in Div 1.
Hindsight tells us the 2021 Sam was the last kicks of a dying scorpion, but the young guns now have to dig in deep v Mayo on Saturday.
Division 1 is the place to be, even if "blooding young lads".
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 22, 2024, 12:42:00 AMQuote from: ONeill on February 21, 2024, 10:39:03 PMSince the '21 AI, this is Tyrone's record in league and championship.
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It's dreadful stats but the team still remain in Div 1.
Hindsight tells us the 2021 Sam was the last kicks of a dying scorpion, but the young guns now have to dig in deep v Mayo on Saturday.
Division 1 is the place to be, even if "blooding young lads".
Tyrone would have won an all Ireland before 2021 if the dubs hadn't been financially doped by the GAA.
2021 was the last chance saloon for the team and they took it. There are a lot worse situations than D1 mediocrity. Ask Down or Meath or Cork
If Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
and much the same pattern in 2025!
Quote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:19:57 PMQuote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
Do you not think, with the setups within County teams these days this isn't factored in? These extremely well conditioned athletes do not play more than 1 game in a week, then recover.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 22, 2024, 02:51:14 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:19:57 PMQuote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
Do you not think, with the setups within County teams these days this isn't factored in? These extremely well conditioned athletes do not play more than 1 game in a week, then recover.
All conditioning in the world doesn't make amateur footballers become robots. Glen players on the go non stop for club and county in the business end of competitions the last two years.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:55:13 PMQuote from: JoG2 on February 22, 2024, 02:51:14 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:19:57 PMQuote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
Do you not think, with the setups within County teams these days this isn't factored in? These extremely well conditioned athletes do not play more than 1 game in a week, then recover.
All conditioning in the world doesn't make amateur footballers become robots. Glen players on the go non stop for club and county in the business end of competitions the last two years.
What are you on about, robots?! A game a week, they're hardly going down the coal mines
How many games are the Glen lads playing in a year? It's probably less than some of the UUJ players who played Sigerson and McKenna Cup matches? I know they got a break last year after the county season so I'm assuming they played no more than 10 games in the run out of Derry? Then 5 games to win the All Ireland?
Assuming they play the national league that's 8 maximum? 3 then in ulster and another 6 to get to All Ireland final?
So if Derry got to league and All Ireland final they'll have played 32 games in a year?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:19:57 PMQuote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
Every team goes out to win every match. Every D1 team picks the strongest team they have available to them, maybe with the exception of Dublin who have rested a couple (i think). At the start of the year if you offered any D1 manager the chance to win all league games they would take it. So i always laugh at people saying 'aiming to reach a league final' or going all out for the league', they all are until they can't.
Glen got to an AI final last year too, Derry got to a league final, won a tough ulster champ, were still playing in July and lost the AI semi because they missed too many chances. It's more likely than not Derry won't win the AI, and there will be a queue of people lining up to blame their league form but it will have nothing to do with it. Players are capable of playing once a week in 3 week blocks. Sports science is there to manage training loads.
The season has changed now and games come thick and fast, you don't have a month between champ games to work on things. I'd much rather have momentum going into ulster and the group stages than hoping we miraculously find form in June/July.
Some counties main objective is staying up in Division 1 and anything else is a bonus. Kerry and Derry bringing back the Clifford brothers and Glen players back so soon is a clear message that their objective is to win the league title and then carry that form into the championship.
Harte has joined up with Derry to win the All-Ireland title and IMO they'll likely have a better chance of achieving that feat in 2025 should Glen get an early exit from the Derry or Ulster this autumn/winter.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 03:41:47 PMSome counties main objective is staying up in Division 1 and anything else is a bonus. Kerry and Derry bringing back the Clifford brothers and Glen players back so soon is a clear message that their objective is to win the league title and then carry that form into the championship.
Harte has joined up with Derry to win the All-Ireland title and IMO they'll likely have a better chance of achieving that feat in 2025 should Glen get an early exit from the Derry or Ulster this autumn/winter.
Could Derry and Kerry's ojective in bringing the players back early be to gain enough points to stay up and rest them towards the end of the league?
And presuming that both counties ultimate objective is to win an All Ireland in 2024 why would they bring the players back so soon if they believed it would lessen the chances of this happening?
Derry and Kerry are not like for like. Harte had to put his best foot forward, due to the nature of defection. A new man in, winning and everyone is on a crest. Kerry third year with Jack, won the league and championship in year one. Getting back to that format after an average year last season. Good leagues generally means your in the final shake up in the championship
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:19:57 PMQuote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
David Clifford was burnt out by the time of last year's all Ireland final.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:22:35 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2024, 02:19:57 PMQuote from: Ball Hopper on February 22, 2024, 04:55:13 AMIf Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.
And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.
Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.
Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.
David Clifford was burnt out by the time of last year's all Ireland final.
Ha no he wasn't he just hit a few wides. I wish he'd burnt out 2 weeks earlier.
Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What about 2022?
Quote from: Mario on February 22, 2024, 03:13:36 PMGlen got to an AI final last year too, Derry got to a league final, won a tough ulster champ, were still playing in July and lost the AI semi because they missed too many chances. It's more likely than not Derry won't win the AI, and there will be a queue of people lining up to blame their league form but it will have nothing to do with it. Players are capable of playing once a week in 3 week blocks. Sports science is there to manage training loads.
Not sure I'd blame it on Glens club runs or a league final (Div 2 is less intense than Div 1 football) but it was clear Derry had a big dip in their 2nd half performance against Kerry in the All Ireland semi final. Now it might simply have been that they used up a lot of their energy with a impressive 1st half leading by three and scoring 1-11. 2nd half scores wasn't coming as easy and were making mistakes at both ends of the field that they weren't first half something that happens with tired minds and bodies.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2024, 05:07:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January. It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed with a month or so to go.
Away to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
You've picked out a sample size of one year with Mayo 2023. Kerry won both League and Championship in 2022. The Dubs won the League most seasons they won Sam during their decade of dominance and you only had to listen to their players when interviewed to see how meticulously they prepared for every match. You can't turn form on and off like a tap.
Derry might not win the All Ireland (and I'd have them a bit behind Dublin and Kerry anyway) but they are simply trying to win the match ahead of them which is all you can do.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2024, 05:07:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January. It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed with a month or so to go.
Saying that like Galway don't have a number of first choice players out injured? No option but to try out other players then.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2024, 05:07:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January. It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed with a month or so to go.
This is exactly what Derry are doing. Why haven't the stars played in the first 3 league games? Walsh played the 1st game, I assumed they are injured rather than a choice?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
What has our record against Galway got to do with this present Derry team in form and a Galway team missing key players and not in great form?
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2024, 05:07:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January. It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed with a month or so to go.
They have a load of players unavailable. That's not a lesson that's a forced hand.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2024, 05:07:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January. It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed with a month or so to go.
You are superimposing a narrative of convenience, upon circumstances of inconvenience.
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2024, 05:07:01 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?
They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January. It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed with a month or so to go.
Let's be clear about this - the "stars" as you call them haven't played because they have been injured. Comer, McDaid and Silke have all been unavailable through injury for every game so far. Kelly was unavailable until last weekend and they are easing him back.
Shane played the first league game and hasn't played since purely because he is injured.
Not playing them is not part of some master plan it's circumstance.
They'd be trying out one or two anyway for sure but that's about it
Exactly. Nonsense to suggest it's due to a lesson learned.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
With Tierney and Conroy now out there's a fair argument to say that Galway's 7 most important players all won't be starting. 6 out injured for god knows how long and 1 (Kelly) will be on the bench. Ive never really known a situation like it
I wouldn't give them a prayer v Derry this weekend. Boyles went up 4/6 Derry which was an uber c**k up. Now 2/5 which is a little more correct but still a couple of notches too big. The only levelling factor I could envisage is a huge wind in salthill (not uncommon) and Derry not getting to grips with it
Quote from: seafoid on February 22, 2024, 04:57:57 PMMayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023. Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end. Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.
Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year?????
Mannion and McCaffrey back, second favs for the all Ireland at 3/1.....
The system favours the old firm. Kerry and Dublin. The counties with the deepest panels and the most all Irelands. It's not just the Leinster championship.
The all ireland is already on . It would be lovely if a team like Derry could win but the chances of the equivalents of Hibernian or Hearts winning the All Ireland is much lower under the new system. More games in less time means more injuries, more fatigue and more exposure for analysis by extensive video teams. It all exposes the inequality at the heart of the county system.
What do you propose? Amalgamations?
Anyway 1 relegation space will likely be booked after the game in the Hyde on Sunday.
It certainly will if we lose with Mayowestros, Kerry and Derry to come.
Monaghan with Tyrone and Galway to come could still survive.
I'm not hopeful as we haven't impressed to date, have no midfield and the hard working defensive style of last year seems to be gone as we seem to have reverted to the McStay/McHale style of non marking loose defending.
Tbh I'm not convinced SF watches much football at times so I dunno the point of debating that stuff.
Some great games this weekend. Monaghan Roscommon (despite dublin kerry being on) is the big one for me in division one. I think Roscommon will take them as I think Monaghan too inexperienced without a lot of the big hitters and Beggan. It's definitely the one with most at stake. Anyone sitting on two points after 3 games is right in it so wins a must. I imagine it likely Dublin or Kerry would be fine even if they lose this weekend. Galway / Tyrone probably need to win to not be sucked in and Monaghan Roscommon must win for either.
Seafoid, you have talked some crap the past two or three pages, do you just make shit up to suit your post? Not much substance ;D
Quote from: Manning18 on February 22, 2024, 11:25:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
With Tierney and Conroy now out there's a fair argument to say that Galway's 7 most important players all won't be starting. 6 out injured for god knows how long and 1 (Kelly) will be on the bench. Ive never really known a situation like it
I wouldn't give them a prayer v Derry this weekend. Boyles went up 4/6 Derry which was an uber c**k up. Now 2/5 which is a little more correct but still a couple of notches too big. The only levelling factor I could envisage is a huge wind in salthill (not uncommon) and Derry not getting to grips with it
Plenty of strong winds up around Owenbeg and Celtic Park :D
It's a factor yes but I don't think it is any big one. It's the same for both teams at the end of the day and Derry can easily adapt to playing against a wind with their strong running game.
Quote from: shawshank on February 23, 2024, 09:50:54 AMSeafoid, you have talked some crap the past two or three pages, do you just make shit up to suit your post? Not much substance ;D
Cheers shawshank. Join the back of the queue. You aren't the first person to tell me that.
Meanwhile
Speaking on the RTÉ GAA podcast, former Fermanagh defender Ryan McCusker believes that Kevin McStay may be overly loyal to some of the more experienced players in his Mayo squad
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1760919663393878461
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 09:55:34 AMMeanwhile
Speaking on the RTÉ GAA podcast, former Fermanagh defender Ryan McCusker believes that Kevin McStay may be overly loyal to some of the more experienced players in his Mayo squad
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1760919663393878461
And I think he may be correct.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
I would be very surprised if Derry don't win comfortably on Sunday. Yes, they nearly always lose to Galway but Derry are flying with a full team out at the moment while Galway are pretty much down to an FBD league selection. I'm hoping they can somehow keep it competitive for as long as possible.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2024, 12:52:30 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
I would be very surprised if Derry don't win comfortably on Sunday. Yes, they nearly always lose to Galway but Derry are flying with a full team out at the moment while Galway are pretty much down to an FBD league selection.
Yeah. Galway would give them their fill of it with a full deck it'd be hard to call, but given who they're missing you'd be shocked if Derry don't win well surely.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2024, 12:52:30 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
I would be very surprised if Derry don't win comfortably on Sunday. Yes, they nearly always lose to Galway but Derry are flying with a full team out at the moment while Galway are pretty much down to an FBD league selection. I'm hoping they can somehow keep it competitive for as long as possible.
There is nothing like a proper match to bring players on . Derry should win comfortably unless Galway click
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 01:05:30 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2024, 12:52:30 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
I would be very surprised if Derry don't win comfortably on Sunday. Yes, they nearly always lose to Galway but Derry are flying with a full team out at the moment while Galway are pretty much down to an FBD league selection. I'm hoping they can somehow keep it competitive for as long as possible.
There is nothing like a proper match to bring players on . Derry should win comfortably unless Galway click
Galway at home.
Derry will probably be missing Lynch, McKinless and Murphy.
This Derry team are in unfamiliar territory in Div1 going up against a team that have the Div1 experience and who generally always beat us.
It's a 50:50 game boys and girls.
I even heard the team bus has a soft wheel.....what else could go wrong for us! ;D ;)
In all seriousness, given where we've come from, I don't think any Derry fans are overly confident of any game. We've been beaten so many times in games where we should have won.
I agree, on current form we are favourites for this game - but Galway are no slouches and we are no world beaters (despite the performance against Monaghan last weekend).
There's not the vast chasm between the two that some seem to suggest there is.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 23, 2024, 09:54:01 AMQuote from: Manning18 on February 22, 2024, 11:25:11 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
With Tierney and Conroy now out there's a fair argument to say that Galway's 7 most important players all won't be starting. 6 out injured for god knows how long and 1 (Kelly) will be on the bench. Ive never really known a situation like it
I wouldn't give them a prayer v Derry this weekend. Boyles went up 4/6 Derry which was an uber c**k up. Now 2/5 which is a little more correct but still a couple of notches too big. The only levelling factor I could envisage is a huge wind in salthill (not uncommon) and Derry not getting to grips with it
Plenty of strong winds up around Owenbeg and Celtic Park :D
It's a factor yes but I don't think it is any big one. It's the same for both teams at the end of the day and Derry can easily adapt to playing against a wind with their strong running game.
Yep, I don't mean it'll suit either team, ive seen Galway fail to get to grips with a wind countless times. I just mean it puts a randomness factor into the game which could help the underdog.
If this was played on a dry calm day id see Derry winning by 6-10 points. That's the reality of where the two teams are at at this stage of the year and injury situations
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 23, 2024, 01:13:40 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 01:05:30 PMQuote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2024, 12:52:30 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 22, 2024, 05:13:25 PMAway to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.
I would be very surprised if Derry don't win comfortably on Sunday. Yes, they nearly always lose to Galway but Derry are flying with a full team out at the moment while Galway are pretty much down to an FBD league selection. I'm hoping they can somehow keep it competitive for as long as possible.
There is nothing like a proper match to bring players on . Derry should win comfortably unless Galway click
Galway at home.
Derry will probably be missing Lynch, McKinless and Murphy.
This Derry team are in unfamiliar territory in Div1 going up against a team that have the Div1 experience and who generally always beat us.
It's a 50:50 game boys and girls.
I even heard the team bus has a soft wheel.....what else could go wrong for us! ;D ;)
In all seriousness, given where we've come from, I don't think any Derry fans are overly confident of any game. We've been beaten so many times in games where we should have won.
I agree, on current form we are favourites for this game - but Galway are no slouches and we are no world beaters (despite the performance against Monaghan last weekend).
There's not the vast chasm between the two that some seem to suggest there is.
I know Derry see Galway as their bogey team over the years but this weekend Galway will be without Damien Comer,Shane Walsh, Jack Glynn,Liam Silke,Cillian McDaid and Matthew Tierney, Paul Conroy very doubtful after going off injured last weekend. So if Derry aren't able to win against Galway team without that amount of first choice players then they'll probably never beat the bogey.
Derry are firm favourites let's be honest.
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 09:55:34 AMMeanwhile
Speaking on the RTÉ GAA podcast, former Fermanagh defender Ryan McCusker believes that Kevin McStay may be overly loyal to some of the more experienced players in his Mayo squad
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1760919663393878461
Just a couple more years trying Aidan O'Shea at FF. It'll come good eventually.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 23, 2024, 01:50:58 PMYep, I don't mean it'll suit either team, ive seen Galway fail to get to grips with a wind countless times. I just mean it puts a randomness factor into the game which could help the underdog.
If this was played on a dry calm day id see Derry winning by 6-10 points. That's the reality of where the two teams are at at this stage of the year and injury situations
The forecast is for a NW wind, rather than one coming off the sea and showers
Derry have played their best football against the breeze from the games I've seen. If anything we seem to be poor with it!
Mayo team to play Tyrone tomorrow.
Rob Hennelly (Raheny)
Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis)
Rory Brickenden (Westport)
Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites);
Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar),
Stephen Coen(Hollymount/Carramore),
Enda Hession (Garrymore)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber),
Jack Carney (Kilmeena)
Diarmuid Duffy (Ballinrobe)
Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina);
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tommy Conroy (The Neale)
Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Four changes from the team that started against Kerry. Rob Hennelly, Stephen Coen, Enda Hession and Diarmuid Duffy come in. Out go Colm Reape, David McBrien, Eoghan McLaughlin and Bob Tuohy.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 23, 2024, 04:33:10 PMQuote from: Manning18 on February 23, 2024, 01:50:58 PMYep, I don't mean it'll suit either team, ive seen Galway fail to get to grips with a wind countless times. I just mean it puts a randomness factor into the game which could help the underdog.
If this was played on a dry calm day id see Derry winning by 6-10 points. That's the reality of where the two teams are at at this stage of the year and injury situations
The forecast is for a NW wind, rather than one coming off the sea and showers
Right cranky chippy system coming down from the north west alright. Caution advised
A hard watch so far in Healy Park. Lots of handpassing waiting for the opening.
Joke of a decision to give the penalty.
Tyrone have to work hard for a free here
Another poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
First time I've seen that rule enacted I think. Fair play to him, big call & fair enough imo.
Quote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
Tyrone are a shambles
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
GAA Rule states a clear goal scoring opportunity has to be denied to give a penalty.
Poor refereeing so far, mostly against Tyrone. It's a contact sport supposedly!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2024, 05:38:37 PMA hard watch so far in Healy Park. Lots of handpassing waiting for the opening.
Agree but contact needs to be allowed by refs too. But yes negative play by both sides with handpasing and possession, low scoring most from frees.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:45:58 PMFirst time I've seen that rule enacted I think. Fair play to him, big call & fair enough imo.
Wasn't there one last year in a Cork game?
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 24, 2024, 05:56:08 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:45:58 PMFirst time I've seen that rule enacted I think. Fair play to him, big call & fair enough imo.
Wasn't there one last year in a Cork game?
That was at least a goal scoring opportunity.
Not a half to live long in the memory.
Tyrone 4 scores from 8 shots and only on score from play.
Mayo 5 scores from 10 shots and 2 scores from play.
Fitzaurice going on about Tyrone have only scored once from play. Never mentioned that Mayo have only scored twice.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:50:50 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
GAA Rule states a clear goal scoring opportunity has to be denied to give a penalty.
Not a certain goal but certainly a clear 'opportunity' denied. Its a tight judgement call that he's gave, fair enough call imo as I certainly thought N6 knew exactly what he was at.
Now even Peter Canavan calling out the refs. Tyrone get zero 50:50 calls. And refs always punish Tyrone to the maximum
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 06:06:41 PMNow even Peter Canavan calling out the refs. Tyrone get zero 50:50 calls. And refs always punish Tyrone to the maximum
Peter's analysis was all about Tyrone. He's naturally biased and with Darragh playing he has extra vested interest. So him saying it's a free, penalty or foul holds little weight.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 06:04:32 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:50:50 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
GAA Rule states a clear goal scoring opportunity has to be denied to give a penalty.
Not a certain goal but certainly a clear 'opportunity' denied. Its a tight judgement call that he's gave, fair enough call imo as I certainly thought N6 knew exactly what he was at.
It wasn't a black card foul though. Tangle of legs not a deliberate trip.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 06:04:32 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:50:50 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
GAA Rule states a clear goal scoring opportunity has to be denied to give a penalty.
Not a certain goal but certainly a clear 'opportunity' denied. Its a tight judgement call that he's gave, fair enough call imo as I certainly thought N6 knew exactly what he was at.
Roy Keene's punditry says if you make a foul like that close to goal, you are giving the ref a decision to make which includes a penalty. So you can't complain if the ref chooses a penalty from the options you presented him.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 24, 2024, 06:10:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 06:04:32 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:50:50 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
GAA Rule states a clear goal scoring opportunity has to be denied to give a penalty.
Not a certain goal but certainly a clear 'opportunity' denied. Its a tight judgement call that he's gave, fair enough call imo as I certainly thought N6 knew exactly what he was at.
It wasn't a black card foul though. Tangle of legs not a deliberate trip.
Accidentally on purpose, Ref called him on it.
This game that bad , I am switching bck and forth with the England game. Tyrone poor and Mayo not far behind them.
Tyrone with a good start. Ref awards Mayo a soft free after they foul the ball so they can get back into the game.
Pathetic officiating
45 minutes level game 0-8 to 1-5. Tyrone have stepped it up in this 2nd half so far.
Good goal there!
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 06:06:41 PMNow even Peter Canavan calling out the refs. Tyrone get zero 50:50 calls. And refs always punish Tyrone to the maximum
Tyrone absolutely get zero 50:50 calls.
The foul for the free Henelly kicked there was nothing really in it.
It could be argued that before that, Henelly actually tripped Peter Harte when he lost possession close to goal.
Funny Tyrone were poor in the second half 6 days ago and this time they are reinvented after the half time oranges.
Tyrone 5 points in front. Mayo looking lost in this 2nd half.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 06:27:37 PMTyrone 5 points in front. Mayo looking lost in this 2nd half.
Mayo can't handle the press.
Looking to the ref for help
54th min and Tyrone not given free in for clear foul then O'Donoghue goes up and scores a point. 2 point swing to try and keep Mayo in it.
Ref ignores blatant pull on Tyrone player to allow Mayo another scoring opportunity. He's doing his best to get Mayo back into in in fairness
Quote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 06:30:50 PM54th min and Tyrone not given free in for clear foul then O'Donoghue goes up and scores a point. 2 point swing to try and keep Mayo in it.
Ah now, you'd want to change the record at this stage.
Quote from: Halfquarter on February 24, 2024, 06:33:49 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 06:30:50 PM54th min and Tyrone not given free in for clear foul then O'Donoghue goes up and scores a point. 2 point swing to try and keep Mayo in it.
Ah now, you'd want to change the record at this stage.
Why? It's absolutely true. All the calls go against Tyrone
Quote from: Halfquarter on February 24, 2024, 06:33:49 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 06:30:50 PM54th min and Tyrone not given free in for clear foul then O'Donoghue goes up and scores a point. 2 point swing to try and keep Mayo in it.
Ah now, you'd want to change the record at this stage.
Did that not happen then?
The yapping about the ref is comical. Tyrone can't tackle for starters.
Ref "fairer" in second half for me.
He's just so strict. Doesn't give the defender any leeway.
Goal scoring opportunity? He's clean through!
No just a free for Tyrone
Quote from: Aaron Boone on February 24, 2024, 06:38:01 PMRef "fairer" in second half for me.
He's just so strict. Doesn't give the defender any leeway.
That coincided with Tyrone playing 99% better in 2nd half, surprising that
Full time Tyrone 1-15 Mayo 1-11. Big two points for Tyrone in their battle to retain Div 1 status, Introduction of McCurry made a big difference. Mayo poor all through that game and only led 1st half because of a wrong call on the penalty.
Good finish from Mayo.
Tyrone worthy winners.
Would not read to much into anything tonight.
Thank god that Penalty call meant f*** all in the scheme of things.
Great second half and a good confidence boost going forward. A roscommon victory might be better for us tomorrow?
Don't like focusing on a negative but what was Kilpatrick doing at the end there. Acting the superman again. Better off with a boy like not on the team as it'll cost us in the long run in a much bigger game. Opposing teams will wind him up to get those reactions. Wise up ffs
Good win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
Here lads, go take up reffing, as all you do, is bitch about them all the time, on here. Always he gives us nothing, go try it!
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
Quote from: screenexile on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PMQuote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
In fairness it was only about 6 steps, the same as any other forward in the country usually takes when bearing in on goal.
Quote from: screenexile on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PMQuote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
Can only assume you missed the bounce.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 07:21:09 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PMQuote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
Can only assume you missed the bounce.
Would you think he took more than 4 steps after the bounce?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 07:29:05 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 07:21:09 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PMQuote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
Can only assume you missed the bounce.
Would you think he took more than 4 steps after the bounce?
It should've been a pen and a sending off. Mayo defender got off lucky with the goal.
McCurry was the difference, some player with a serious work ethic. Canavan is as strong as a bull.
Mayo toothless in the 2nd half. Conroy is a real threat, but Mayo can't seem to get him on the ball in dangerous positions.
— "Mammy mammy, the ref is giving us nothing again! Again mammy!"
—"quit the yapping Trailer and get ready for mass"
As seen last weekend Con O'Callaghan back in top form again. A well taken goal 1-2 to 0-1 Dublin in the opening 7 minutes.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 07:29:05 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 07:21:09 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PMQuote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
Can only assume you missed the bounce.
Would you think he took more than 4 steps after the bounce?
From when the ball touches his hand again after the bounce he takes 10 steps before striking the ball!
Murchan pocketing Clifford again so far.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 24, 2024, 07:43:50 PMMurchan pocketing Clifford again so far.
Some crowd in Croke for a league game.
40k?
Surely if thats anything its a penalty.
Clifford very wasteful early on
Jesus Conor Lane! 🤦🏼�♂️
Fair enough they go there in the end!
Again? When's the last time Murchan marked him?
Well done umpires and well done Lane for consulting. King Con is back by the look of things.
Dublin leading 2-6 to 0-4 17 mins played it's going to be a heavy defeat for Kerry unless they tighten up defensively
I should go to Mass pray for the referees and ask them to be fair to Tyrone.
Another Kerry melt down in Croker, they always seem to bring out the best in Dublin.
David Clifford so far having another mare against Dublin.
It's not that, this Dublin team very good in Croke Park where they play all the time, on a big pitch.Take them to unfamiliar surroundings and they nowhere near as good.
Quote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 07:50:52 PMDavid Clifford so far having another mare against Dublin.
You're looking in the wrong place I think. Their backs are getting a hiding.
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:48:51 PMI should go to Mass pray for the referees and ask them to be fair to Tyrone.
Just take the big redner you deserve for embarrassing yourself and the county of Tyrone and move on.
The first 25 minutes is the most impressive any team has looked all season by a long stretch, nothing to do with the pitch.
What was going on with the fireworks. No spark to Kerry though Dublin very impressive 2-10 to 0-6
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2024, 07:52:03 PMIt's not that, this Dublin team very good in Croke Park where they play all the time, on a big pitch.Take them to unfamiliar surroundings and they nowhere near as good.
Same dimensions as Limavadys pitch
Kerry defence hasn't turned up at all tonight.
Ha, our weekly hard man.
Holy shit lads Kerry are looking at a 20 odd point defeat here they're brutal!
The game was over after 15mins.
Having played on Limavadys pitch it's a damn big one.
Quote from: screenexile on February 24, 2024, 07:16:11 PMQuote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PMGood win. Bate 16 men truth be told.
Perhaps the plan is to contain for 35 mins then a full press for first 20 or so of 2nd half to blitz the opponent. Worked well.
No mention of the ref letting Canavan have 10 steps before the goal?
https://x.com/thesundaygame/status/1761457015342104580?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
How are defenders supposed to do anything when refs let players away with that?!
No sympathy for the defender when he is hanging off the attacker like that. Fair play to Darragh, great goal despite being dragged.
First half was poor from Tyrone but a bit of hope with that second half. McCurry brought another dimension to attack but the whole team lifted their performance and first time in a while Tyrone looked like a team with a shape and coherent plan. Big 2 points and something to try and build on.
Kilpatrick silly again at the end. These kind of incidents are tiresome and undermine Tyrone too often. Has to be sorted.
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 07:48:51 PMI should go to Mass pray for the referees and ask them to be fair to Tyrone.
;D
Kerry ain't great around the middle.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2024, 08:00:50 PMHaving played on Limavadys pitch it's a damn big one.
sure is, I wouldnt last 10 minutes on any pitch now never mind limavadys
Dublin should had another 4 pts, starting to mess around
Half time Dublin 2-11 Kerry 0-8. The Dubs in this form will be eyeing up a league title.
Jesus Kerry have been brutal. Look how hard they're having to work to win kickouts compared to Dublin waltzing up the field. Clifford not at himself, backs getting a roasting. Dubs are flying, likely them and Derry league final.
Dublin treated Kerry like Leinster fodder in that first half. No defensive stuff on show but it has probably killed the game as a contest.
Either team shoring up the defences and its to Kerry demise. Think at least Derry drop all bck.
It is looking like a Dublin/Derry match up for the next few years.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 08:08:55 PMHalf time Dublin 2-11 Kerry 0-8. The Dubs in this form will be eyeing up a league title.
They have tactical losses. They only beat teams who get notions - they want to deliver a lesson to them. It's highly psychological.
Dublin fade badly in games under Dessie Farrell. Kerry good value to win at 10/1. We haven't beaten kerry in league since 2018.
Kerry cant be that bad in the 2nd half
Quote from: Gael85 on February 24, 2024, 08:23:28 PMDublin fade badly in games under Dessie Farrell. Kerry good value to win at 10/1. We haven't beaten kerry in league since 2018.
You're nine points up.
Is there a hurricane wind?
Quote from: J70 on February 24, 2024, 08:27:07 PMQuote from: Gael85 on February 24, 2024, 08:23:28 PMDublin fade badly in games under Dessie Farrell. Kerry good value to win at 10/1. We haven't beaten kerry in league since 2018.
You're nine points up.
Is there a hurricane wind?
4 now
Dublin thought the game was over, and as happens can't lift it to match Kerry. They missed enough to have been outta sight
Kerry a lot more tuned in 2nd half which makes me wonder what they were at 1st half especially defensively. 52 mins played Dublin 2-13 Kerry 1-13
Kerry are playing with no sweeper plus midfielder dropping bck, wide open all the time.
Will Clifford ever play a decent game against the Dubs?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 24, 2024, 08:56:45 PMKerry are playing with no sweeper plus midfielder dropping bck, wide open all the time.
Had held Dublin to 0-5 in this 2nd half before that 3rd goal but damage done first half and all night they haven't been able to handle Con O'Callaghan.
Clifford always get the blame, but the rest of the forwards are hiding, and get a free pass.
Kilpatrick gets a red.
Clifford gets a yellow.
Hard to know who wil make the Div 1 final.
Clifford left his mark at the end there. Really bad challenge.
Dublin win by 10 points, damage very much done 1st half when Dublin led by 9 points.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 08:43:20 PMKerry a lot more tuned in 2nd half which makes me wonder what they were at 1st half especially defensively. 52 mins played Dublin 2-13 Kerry 1-13
Another off day for Clifford. Kerry were hammered.
The GAA have created a monster
Oscar Wilde once wrote :- "There are two kinds of tragedy. One is not getting what you want. The other is getting it."
You dare not say anything bad about David but he does get preferential treatment from referees. You only have to look back to last years AI semi final. That was just frustration at him mis firing against the Dubs again, Kerry much too dependant on him and they have no plan B.
Kerry won't be as bad as that come business time surely.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 24, 2024, 09:19:57 PMKerry won't be as bad as that come business time surely.
Unlikely. In the All Ireland final back in July Dublin won via injury time points and Con O'Callaghan didn't score at all.
Clifford can't do it himself all the time. Take the Cliffords and O'Shea out and not many of the remaining 12 start for Derry, Dublin or a full strength Galway. Kerry are relying on Clifford to get 8+ points in these big games or they get beat.
Will be plenty of soul searching in the Kerry camp after losing with a near full strength team by ten points and conceded 3-18 against a Dublin team without Stephen Cluxton; David Byrne, Michael Fitzsimons,James McCarthy, Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello, Colm Basquel and Jack McCaffrey
Dublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
I expect that means that Dublin did not rate Monaghan then.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:50:50 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 24, 2024, 05:46:37 PMQuote from: clarshack on February 24, 2024, 05:45:17 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 24, 2024, 05:43:47 PMAnother poor call by Cawley the ref. Black yes but it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity. Mayo 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
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There were defenders back covering. Should have been a free in.
So what, it's not soccer
GAA Rule states a clear goal scoring opportunity has to be denied to give a penalty.
I always thought a foul in the square was a penalty, goal scoring opportunity or not.
For me the black and the penalty were the right decision.
Tyrone were woeful in the first half and Mayo were only marginally better.
Dooher must have dished out some harsh words at the interval as Tyrone were by far the hungrier side in the second half and fully deserved to win. Mayo were awful. One man attacks...never going to work.
Some excellent point scoring from Mayo, but it was individual efforts from distance as no-one was running off the shoulder or looking the pass inside. On that form, Mayo are going nowhere.
Tyrone have hope now in Div 1.
McGeary back is a plus for them.
Harte was immense.
Is there life in them yet?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 24, 2024, 10:13:08 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
I expect that means that Dublin did not rate Monaghan then.
Unfortunately that is the correct assumption.
Night and day performance from Tyrone.
When they stopped being passive and started pushing up, running at people, firing quick ball into Canavan (an unreal display of ball winning tonight) they were immense.
Still a long way to go, but def a tonic after the turgid rubbish of the first 3 games.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 24, 2024, 10:29:03 PMI always thought a foul in the square was a penalty, goal scoring opportunity or not.
For me the black and the penalty were the right decision.
Obviously its a penalty if the foul happens in the square. The foul happened outside the square today and ref gave it as a penalty as he deemed to a black card offence and goal scoring opportunity.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:30:53 PMQuote from: armaghniac on February 24, 2024, 10:13:08 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
I expect that means that Dublin did not rate Monaghan then.
Unfortunately that is the correct assumption.
When it comes down to it, Dublin know they will beat Monaghan 95 times out of a 100 in the big games.
Don't like complaining about refs and a neutral in this one but how does Brendan Cawley keep getting games? Every time I watch him ref a game it's farcical and tonight was no different. Is there no judging panel?
Some absolutely bizarre decisions throughout, for both sides although Tyrone got the worst of it
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2024, 12:21:02 AMDon't like complaining about refs and a neutral in this one but how does Brendan Cawley keep getting games? Every time I watch him ref a game it's farcical and tonight was no different. Is there no judging panel?
Some absolutely bizarre decisions throughout, for both sides although Tyrone got the worst of it
I was at the game a d whilst I agree he was poor, I thought in the 2nd half in particular he was very good to tyrone.
Should have sent off Conn Kilpatrick near the end for attempting to strike, I stead he got away with a yellow. Numerous bad decisions on both sides but I think tyrone got the better of it.
Funny, I thought it showed that Dublin still a noche above everybody else,when it comes to the crunch.
Quote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2024, 12:21:02 AMDon't like complaining about refs and a neutral in this one but how does Brendan Cawley keep getting games? Every time I watch him ref a game it's farcical and tonight was no different. Is there no judging panel?
Some absolutely bizarre decisions throughout, for both sides although Tyrone got the worst of it
You didn't know where he stood on tackling. Early on he blew for any contact at all, and Tyrone suffered. Second half, he gave Tyrone a few handy ones close to goal and allowed Tyrone's defence to get up close and personal. First half he didn't.
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2024, 06:30:53 AMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2024, 12:21:02 AMDon't like complaining about refs and a neutral in this one but how does Brendan Cawley keep getting games? Every time I watch him ref a game it's farcical and tonight was no different. Is there no judging panel?
Some absolutely bizarre decisions throughout, for both sides although Tyrone got the worst of it
You didn't know where he stood on tackling. Early on he blew for any contact at all, and Tyrone suffered. Second half, he gave Tyrone a few handy ones close to goal and allowed Tyrone's defence to get up close and personal. First half he didn't.
I think the issue is actually the tackle.
3 or 4 men around a lad with a ball, slapping and beating him.
Sometimes given as a free to the defender, other times it's bell up for overcarrying.
Needs to be simplified.
It is.
You tackle the ball.
Any slapping, hitting, pulling, puahing, tripping is a foul.
Ref's interpretation isn't constant from game to game or the same game even.
I
can't be blowing for everything therefore a lot of fouls in the tackle are let go. Otherwise it's a free every 30 seconds.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
It felt like a normal Saturday with the sports news on the radio and the previews in the papers and the analysis on the telly but it's all an illusion. Once the match started everything was back to the 6 in a row. Competition in Gaelic football is dead. It's groundhog day.
The GAA weaponised Dublin's population advantage. The Dubs own the sport as a result. This didn't start yesterday. It has been going on for almost 2 decades.
Maybe Derry are the new Mayo. If so, a future of one point hammerings awaits hi. Mickey Harte wants to win everything but when he was breaking barriers the dubs were a totally different animal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0
And why don't Kildare and Meath compete ? Even Fermanagh can compete in Ulster. WTF . Why don't they just cop on? And Tyrone were really poor to win just one all Ireland . Yeah. Jesus. etc etc
In 10 years Kerry won one all Ireland. Dublin won 8. Kerry can't produce fully formed players as fast as Dublin can.
It's really weird to feel sorry for Kerry.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 25, 2024, 12:26:19 AMQuote from: Manning18 on February 25, 2024, 12:21:02 AMDon't like complaining about refs and a neutral in this one but how does Brendan Cawley keep getting games? Every time I watch him ref a game it's farcical and tonight was no different. Is there no judging panel?
Some absolutely bizarre decisions throughout, for both sides although Tyrone got the worst of it
I was at the game a d whilst I agree he was poor, I thought in the 2nd half in particular he was very good to tyrone.
Should have sent off Conn Kilpatrick near the end for attempting to strike, I stead he got away with a yellow. Numerous bad decisions on both sides but I think tyrone got the better of it.
Thought the black card and penalty was wrong and was such a big moment but yeah Tyrone got a couple of handy frees in the second half and that Conn moment was a definite sending off.
I actually thought the most bizarre part was his timekeeping. O'Donnell was down injured for 5 1/2 mins. They played 7 mins more after he went off, 1 of which was also a stoppage. And the second half was very stop start, so there should've been 5 or 6 more added even before the long injury
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2024, 11:28:22 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
It felt like a normal Saturday with the sports news on the radio and the previews in the papers and the analysis on the telly but it's all an illusion. Once the match started everything was back to the 6 in a row. Competition in Gaelic football is dead. It's groundhog day.
The GAA weaponised Dublin's population advantage. The Dubs own the sport as a result. This didn't start yesterday. It has been going on for almost 2 decades.
Maybe Derry are the new Mayo. If so, a future of one point hammerings awaits hi. Mickey Harte wants to win everything but when he was breaking barriers the dubs were a totally different animal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0
And why don't Kildare and Meath compete ? Even Fermanagh can compete in Ulster. WTF . Why don't they just cop on? And Tyrone were really poor to win just one all Ireland . Yeah. Jesus. etc etc
In 10 years Kerry won one all Ireland. Dublin won 8. Kerry can't produce fully formed players as fast as Dublin can.
It's really weird to feel sorry for Kerry.
No such thing and few of those narrow losses was matches there to be won for Mayo. If given the same chance I doubt a Mickey Harte managed Derry would do the same.
did dublin just put a lot of people off caring about the all ireland this year.
While I agree with much of SeaFoids post above.
Kerry were very poor yesterday. They had no shape in Defence at all in the first half. Dublin were let do as they pleased.
2nd half they got some shape and Dubin took a while to adjust.
You wont see too many games where the Cliffords are as poor as they were yesterday.
Which begs the question are they too reliant on David Clifford kicking 9 point or more?
Quote from: Eire90 on February 25, 2024, 12:44:48 PMdid dublin just put a lot of people off caring about the all ireland this year.Quote from: Eire90 on February 25, 2024, 12:44:48 PMdid dublin just put a lot of people off caring about the all ireland this year.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 25, 2024, 12:44:48 PMdid dublin just put a lot of people off caring about the all ireland this year.
Isn't this just the league and should we be worried about them peaking too early? Seems to be the narrative when any other team wins big in D1
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 12:37:11 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 25, 2024, 11:28:22 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
It felt like a normal Saturday with the sports news on the radio and the previews in the papers and the analysis on the telly but it's all an illusion. Once the match started everything was back to the 6 in a row. Competition in Gaelic football is dead. It's groundhog day.
The GAA weaponised Dublin's population advantage. The Dubs own the sport as a result. This didn't start yesterday. It has been going on for almost 2 decades.
Maybe Derry are the new Mayo. If so, a future of one point hammerings awaits hi. Mickey Harte wants to win everything but when he was breaking barriers the dubs were a totally different animal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0
And why don't Kildare and Meath compete ? Even Fermanagh can compete in Ulster. WTF . Why don't they just cop on? And Tyrone were really poor to win just one all Ireland . Yeah. Jesus. etc etc
In 10 years Kerry won one all Ireland. Dublin won 8. Kerry can't produce fully formed players as fast as Dublin can.
It's really weird to feel sorry for Kerry.
No such thing and few of those narrow losses was matches there to be won for Mayo. If given the same chance I doubt a Mickey Harte managed Derry would do the same.
Let's see
I remember last year all the talk in the papers about how Dublin were finished. They came in under the radar. The obstacle course that is the new championship is no bother to them. They always win Leinster. Top of the round robins. Quarter finals a doddle. Semi finals just turn on the turbo after 65 minutes. Same in the final.
Let's see how long the challengers can keep up the pretence.
I counted 7 new players yesterday compared to the 2020 final.
2020
Cluxton
Fitzsimons Byrne Cooper
Murchan Small MCDaid
Fenton McCarthy
Scully Kilkenny Bugler
Small O^Callaghan Rock
Dublin:2024 D O'Hanlon;
S MacMahon, T Clancy, E Murchan;
C Murphy, J Small, L Gannon 0-01;
B Fenton 0-01, P Ó Cofaigh Byrne;
R McGarry 0-01, S Bugler 0-03, C Kilkenny 0-03 (1m);
P Small 0-03, C O'Callaghan 3-04 (1-00 pen, 0-02f), N Scully 0-01.
They just have a much bigger production line.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 25, 2024, 01:04:42 PMWhile I agree with much of SeaFoids post above.
Kerry were very poor yesterday. They had no shape in Defence at all in the first half. Dublin were let do as they pleased.
2nd half they got some shape and Dubin took a while to adjust.
You wont see too many games where the Cliffords are as poor as they were yesterday.
Which begs the question are they too reliant on David Clifford kicking 9 point or more?
Kerry can't peak whenever they feel like it. Dublin can.
They are like the Limerick hurlers. Faster, fitter, sharper, more accurate, more skilled.
Kerry and the rest are AMATEURS.
Is Paul mannion about the squad?
So we can just run into lads from 5 yards away and they get a black card??
Quote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 02:01:26 PMSo we can just run into lads from 5 yards away and they get a black card??
Looked like he changed direction to connect with him.
Quote from: Estimator on February 25, 2024, 02:02:23 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 02:01:26 PMSo we can just run into lads from 5 yards away and they get a black card??
Looked like he changed direction to connect with him.
Looked an awful black card decision, the Derry player didn't move an inch.
Quote from: Estimator on February 25, 2024, 02:02:23 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 02:01:26 PMSo we can just run into lads from 5 yards away and they get a black card??
Looked like he changed direction to connect with him.
Do you mean the Galway man or Roger's?
If you mean Rogers you're hungover!
C Doherty off.. Big 9 knew what he was at
Story of our season we haven't played well enough with the wind.
Hopefully like the other games we can play much better against it.
Doherty off a real worry it looked a knee injury hopefully not too bad!
Quote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 02:20:20 PMQuote from: Estimator on February 25, 2024, 02:02:23 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 02:01:26 PMSo we can just run into lads from 5 yards away and they get a black card??
Looked like he changed direction to connect with him.
Do you mean the Galway man or Roger's?
If you mean Rogers you're hungover!
I'm fully recovered. And I meant the Galway player.
Quote from: Derryman forever on February 25, 2024, 01:04:42 PMWhile I agree with much of SeaFoids post above.
Kerry were very poor yesterday. They had no shape in Defence at all in the first half. Dublin were let do as they pleased.
2nd half they got some shape and Dubin took a while to adjust.
You wont see too many games where the Cliffords are as poor as they were yesterday.
Which begs the question are they too reliant on David Clifford kicking 9 point or more?
Seafoid's posf is a load of nonsense.
The GAA somehow weaponised Dublin by helping fund development officers teaching PE to primary school children FFS. Not a single cent of development funds goes to the senior team or even to Dublin development squads.
Over the last two decades Kildare and Dublin have been broadly evenly matched at minor and U20/21 level. The fact there's been a huge gulf when the very same players get into the senior team is nothing to do with development funds.
Bad miss there from the Galway forward and he even had 2 chances at it.
Did I miss the 1/2 time analysis of the black card decision or was it a case of TG4 bias, a whitewash?
A black card and a penalty for one foul, talk about a disproportionate punishment.
Joke of a decision.
Jesus refs are bad these days. Surely that wasnt a trip therefore not a black or penalty. He took the shot after the hit. Probaby should have been a red for a stike as that wasnt a tackle.
What was the black card offence for that call to be made?
Two absolutely facical black card decisions and a pen against Galway to fully turn around the soft black against Derry in the first half. Another ref out of his depth
Dirty hit from Molloy, but not a black.
Finnerty time wasting the black card after running into Glass
Tipp referee not knowing how football is played. Shocker.
2nd Black card was soft but it's brainless to be attempting any sort of tackle like that so far away from your own goal.
Time wasting on black cards is a stain on the game. Everybody's at it. Black card timer should be stopped for injuries and that would soon cut out the bullshit
Quote from: Ghost on February 25, 2024, 03:01:30 PM2nd Black card was soft but it's brainless to be attempting any sort of tackle like that so far away from your own goal.
Time wasting on black cards is a stain on the game. Everybody's at it. Black card timer should be stopped for injuries and that would soon cut out the bullshit
soft !!
It was ridiculous
Rodgers should've seen a second black for the dive
Third goal looked like it was thrown into the net
A fist only rule needs bringing in. A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play , so why are they allowed to palm the ball into the net?
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 25, 2024, 03:06:17 PMThird goal looked like it was thrown into the net
A fist only rule needs bringing in. A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play , so why are they allowed to palm the ball into the net?
What??
Not that it'll make a difference but 3 minutes added to round off an utter clown of a referee performance once more. The penalty situation took 3 minutes alone
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 25, 2024, 03:10:47 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 25, 2024, 03:06:17 PMThird goal looked like it was thrown into the net
A fist only rule needs bringing in. A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play , so why are they allowed to palm the ball into the net?
What??
I said...
A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play
But that's not true.
Poor enough from Derry today but we'll take any win in Galway.
Lost count how many soft frees Galway got after each Derry goal
Another win, albeit stuttery enough on a heavy enough pitch with a right wind
Quote from: AustinPowers on February 25, 2024, 03:24:20 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 25, 2024, 03:10:47 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 25, 2024, 03:06:17 PMThird goal looked like it was thrown into the net
A fist only rule needs bringing in. A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play , so why are they allowed to palm the ball into the net?
What??
I said...
A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play
You're thinking of soccer.
Derry were not great there, good to get the win but that performance won't be enough to win many games.
Ref was awful.
I think he got the Rogers black wrong and the penalty and black wrong. Plus numerous other decisions that had me scratching my head.
Galway full strength would have beat us.
Only positive was we managed the win without some key players. Ryan Scullion made a few really good saves but then kicked right down the middle when we were getting cleaned at midfield during the 2nd half.
Mcguigan was very quiet too.
Gilmore deserves a start, I'd rate him above deccan cassidy.
Mckaigue lost at sea too often too.
Hopefully Conor Doherty isn't too badly injured, we'd definitely need him against the dubs.
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 25, 2024, 03:42:50 PMDerry were not great there, good to get the win but that performance won't be enough to win many games.
Ref was awful.
I think he got the Rogers black wrong and the penalty and black wrong. Plus numerous other decisions that had me scratching my head.
Galway full strength would have beat us.
Only positive was we managed the win without some key players. Ryan Scullion made a few really good saves but then kicked right down the middle when we were getting cleaned at midfield during the 2nd half.
Mcguigan was very quiet too.
Gilmore deserves a start, I'd rate him above deccan cassidy.
Mckaigue lost at sea too often too.
Hopefully Conor Doherty isn't too badly injured, we'd definitely need him against the dubs.
You're sore on McKaigue. 100% worth his place and has been solid this year. Team leads leaders and he's one of them.
McEvoy has an old experienced head on young shoulders. Nothing phases him.
I'd agree with most on the 2nd black, penalty yes, black card no. Maher on C Doherty was more a black card, dove in and across him to take him out, he was never bending down to actually pick the ball up. Sleeked move
Quote from: seafoid on February 25, 2024, 01:14:19 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2024, 12:37:11 PMQuote from: seafoid on February 25, 2024, 11:28:22 AMQuote from: From the Bunker on February 24, 2024, 10:10:52 PMDublin used to target Mayo games back in the day when we were a threat. We took some wallopings in the League. We never beat them in that period in the League. Between the League and Championship it was a procession of beatings. They would have targeted this game. Not giving your main rivals an inch sets the tone for the rest of the year.
It felt like a normal Saturday with the sports news on the radio and the previews in the papers and the analysis on the telly but it's all an illusion. Once the match started everything was back to the 6 in a row. Competition in Gaelic football is dead. It's groundhog day.
The GAA weaponised Dublin's population advantage. The Dubs own the sport as a result. This didn't start yesterday. It has been going on for almost 2 decades.
Maybe Derry are the new Mayo. If so, a future of one point hammerings awaits hi. Mickey Harte wants to win everything but when he was breaking barriers the dubs were a totally different animal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3G1bwD0ao0
And why don't Kildare and Meath compete ? Even Fermanagh can compete in Ulster. WTF . Why don't they just cop on? And Tyrone were really poor to win just one all Ireland . Yeah. Jesus. etc etc
In 10 years Kerry won one all Ireland. Dublin won 8. Kerry can't produce fully formed players as fast as Dublin can.
It's really weird to feel sorry for Kerry.
No such thing and few of those narrow losses was matches there to be won for Mayo. If given the same chance I doubt a Mickey Harte managed Derry would do the same.
Let's see
I remember last year all the talk in the papers about how Dublin were finished. They came in under the radar. The obstacle course that is the new championship is no bother to them. They always win Leinster. Top of the round robins. Quarter finals a doddle. Semi finals just turn on the turbo after 65 minutes. Same in the final.
Let's see how long the challengers can keep up the pretence.
I counted 7 new players yesterday compared to the 2020 final.
2020
Cluxton
Fitzsimons Byrne Cooper
Murchan Small MCDaid
Fenton McCarthy
Scully Kilkenny Bugler
Small O^Callaghan Rock
Dublin:2024 D O'Hanlon;
S MacMahon, T Clancy, E Murchan;
C Murphy, J Small, L Gannon 0-01;
B Fenton 0-01, P Ó Cofaigh Byrne;
R McGarry 0-01, S Bugler 0-03, C Kilkenny 0-03 (1m);
P Small 0-03, C O'Callaghan 3-04 (1-00 pen, 0-02f), N Scully 0-01.
They just have a much bigger production line.
Reading too much into the league. They needed the old guard to get themselves over the line in the championship last year.
Derry eight points on the board should be looking to rest players in their remaining league fixtures now.
Thought Derry very poor last 20mins when they went 9 clear, but we never beat Galway so I take it. Can't understand the ref not blowing the pulling and holding on Rodgers and Glass in middle of the field 2nd Half. The Galway lads were pulling at them steady going for the kickouts, with the ref nearly on top of it, so he obviously let it go as the score was so big.
By the rule book Molloy shouldn't have got a black card but by common sense it's something the black card should cover, he did his best to tackle the man not the ball to prevent a score
I thought we were very average and still beat Galway comfortably.
Given the Dublin performance last night we're set up for a huge game next weekend. Derry will need to up the intensity to compete it'll be a proper test of where we are.
Worries about the injury to Conor Doc I hope he's ok it looked like a possible knee injury.
Quote from: lenny on February 25, 2024, 03:39:21 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 25, 2024, 03:24:20 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 25, 2024, 03:10:47 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on February 25, 2024, 03:06:17 PMThird goal looked like it was thrown into the net
A fist only rule needs bringing in. A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play , so why are they allowed to palm the ball into the net?
What??
I said...
A player will be blown up if he palmed the ball in open play
You're thinking of soccer.
😄😄
Quote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 04:57:02 PMI thought we were very average and still beat Galway comfortably.
Given the Dublin performance last night we're set up for a huge game next weekend. Derry will need to up the intensity to compete it'll be a proper test of where we are.
Worries about the injury to Conor Doc I hope he's ok it looked like a possible knee injury.
Dubs will let you tear away next weekend i reckon. Think they probably unintentionally overshowed their hand last night. Mickey likes winning trophies, Derry will go 100mph, Dubs won't.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 05:14:40 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 04:57:02 PMI thought we were very average and still beat Galway comfortably.
Given the Dublin performance last night we're set up for a huge game next weekend. Derry will need to up the intensity to compete it'll be a proper test of where we are.
Worries about the injury to Conor Doc I hope he's ok it looked like a possible knee injury.
Dubs will let you tear away next weekend i reckon. Think they probably unintentionally overshowed their hand last night. Mickey likes winning trophies, Derry will go 100mph, Dubs won't.
There it is.
Derry are damned if they do and Damned if they don't
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 05:14:40 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 04:57:02 PMI thought we were very average and still beat Galway comfortably.
Given the Dublin performance last night we're set up for a huge game next weekend. Derry will need to up the intensity to compete it'll be a proper test of where we are.
Worries about the injury to Conor Doc I hope he's ok it looked like a possible knee injury.
Dubs will let you tear away next weekend i reckon. Think they probably unintentionally overshowed their hand last night. Mickey likes winning trophies, Derry will go 100mph, Dubs won't.
So how exactly does that show itself in training this week in Dublin, pre match meetings / talks? All 15 starters nailed on, no competition for places etc. Be a case of putting the Derry upstarts in their place
Quote from: JoG2 on February 25, 2024, 05:55:23 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 05:14:40 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 04:57:02 PMI thought we were very average and still beat Galway comfortably.
Given the Dublin performance last night we're set up for a huge game next weekend. Derry will need to up the intensity to compete it'll be a proper test of where we are.
Worries about the injury to Conor Doc I hope he's ok it looked like a possible knee injury.
Dubs will let you tear away next weekend i reckon. Think they probably unintentionally overshowed their hand last night. Mickey likes winning trophies, Derry will go 100mph, Dubs won't.
So how exactly does that show itself in training this week in Dublin, pre match meetings / talks? All 15 starters nailed on, no competition for places etc. Be a case of putting the Derry upstarts in their place
Celtic park are expecting a phone call from Dessie 10 min before throw in to say their bus has a flat wheel . But to Carry on we will be there by half time.
Derry will care a lot more than the Dubs. Not that controversial an opinion.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 06:32:25 PMDerry will care a lot more than the Dubs. Not that controversial an opinion.
Absolutely not but not sure why the Dubs would lift the intensity this weekend and not next weekend?
Also it's hard to see Derry being as hungry with 6 points on the board difficult to know what to make of next weekend.
I'd hope it's similar to last year with both teams doing the best they can with what's available. Potentially a really good game!
We got the result that we expected to get in Pearse Stadium.
We are really struggling at the moment.
I was up in Owenbeg two years ago when we beat Derry comfortably.
Only 5 starters that day started today.
You just can't see where the scores are going to come from at the moment.
We're missing loads of players but even when we get them back (if we do) they will have been out for so long will it be too late for us to get some cohesion going - that's the question.
Being able to start a game with Silke, Kelly, Conroy, Tierney, Walsh, Comer, McDaid should transform a team in theory - it's half a team right there.
Somehow though I just feel as if it won't this year for some reason.
I think we'll bow out without firing a shot. Can't put a finger on it
Quote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 06:42:41 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 06:32:25 PMDerry will care a lot more than the Dubs. Not that controversial an opinion.
Absolutely not but not sure why the Dubs would lift the intensity this weekend and not next weekend?
Also it's hard to see Derry being as hungry with 6 points on the board difficult to know what to make of next weekend.
I'd hope it's similar to last year with both teams doing the best they can with what's available. Potentially a really good game!
8 points and safe, Dublin with 4 points and not safe. We'll accept Dublin's red carpet next Sat, it's extremely generous all being told
A workmanlike much improved performance gave Ros their first win of the season against a poor Monaghan outfit.
Also improved our score difference no end.
On to Castlebar with hope in our hearts and a pep on our step.
Conor Carroll, Enda, Higgins, McCormack and Cregg our best performers in my opinion.
Quote from: galwayman on February 25, 2024, 06:48:56 PMWe got the result that we expected to get in Pearse Stadium.
We are really struggling at the moment.
I was up in Owenbeg two years ago when we beat Derry comfortably.
Only 5 starters that day started today.
You just can't see where the scores are going to come from at the moment.
We're missing loads of players but even when we get them back (if we do) they will have been out for so long will it be too late for us to get some cohesion going - that's the question.
Being able to start a game with Silke, Kelly, Conroy, Tierney, Walsh, Comer, McDaid should transform a team in theory - it's half a team right there.
Somehow though I just feel as if it won't this year for some reason.
I think we'll bow out without firing a shot. Can't put a finger on it
Yeah, all very well getting a load of players back but they are missing a lot of football now and expecting them to all get up to match fitness and sharpness in time for championship might not be realistic. Even Molloy looks short on sharpness after his long injury and he's actually fit at the moment.
D1 is very open. 2 points separate second and eighth
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 25, 2024, 08:00:26 PMQuote from: galwayman on February 25, 2024, 06:48:56 PMWe got the result that we expected to get in Pearse Stadium.
We are really struggling at the moment.
I was up in Owenbeg two years ago when we beat Derry comfortably.
Only 5 starters that day started today.
You just can't see where the scores are going to come from at the moment.
We're missing loads of players but even when we get them back (if we do) they will have been out for so long will it be too late for us to get some cohesion going - that's the question.
Being able to start a game with Silke, Kelly, Conroy, Tierney, Walsh, Comer, McDaid should transform a team in theory - it's half a team right there.
Somehow though I just feel as if it won't this year for some reason.
I think we'll bow out without firing a shot. Can't put a finger on it
Yeah, all very well getting a load of players back but they are missing a lot of football now and expecting them to all get up to match fitness and sharpness in time for championship might not be realistic. Even Molloy looks short on sharpness after his long injury and he's actually fit at the moment.
Any word on return dates for these players? The AI group stages does allow a bit of extra games if they are due back over the next few weeks. Tyrone missing similar amount of players but maybe just not as talented as that bunch.
Next Week in Div 1:
Derry v Dublin
Mayo v Roscommon
Kerry v Tyrone
Monaghan v Galway
Quote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 06:42:41 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 06:32:25 PMDerry will care a lot more than the Dubs. Not that controversial an opinion.
Absolutely not but not sure why the Dubs would lift the intensity this weekend and not next weekend?
Also it's hard to see Derry being as hungry with 6 points on the board difficult to know what to make of next weekend.
I'd hope it's similar to last year with both teams doing the best they can with what's available. Potentially a really good game!
They'll be going all out to win it. Likely the league final pairing anyway at this rate.
So with 24 games played in Division 1 and host of incidents that "gave the referee a decision to make" we can conclude to the best of my knowledge Con Kilpatrick was the only player to have been sent off for a clumsy challenge and Tyrone are the only team to concede a penalty and suffer a black card from DOGSO decision?
Has there been any other red cards in Division 1?
Jarlath Burns has his work cut out if he wants to level the playing field.
Refs obviously need to stop giving frees against or cards to Tyrone players ::)
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:50:22 AMSo with 24 games played in Division 1 and host of incidents that "gave the referee a decision to make" we can conclude to the best of my knowledge Con Kilpatrick was the only player to have been sent off for a clumsy challenge and Tyrone are the only team to concede a penalty and suffer a black card from DOGSO decision?
Has there been any other red cards in Division 1?
Jarlath Burns has his work cut out if he wants to level the playing field.
That exact thing happened Galway yesterday...
Quote from: JoG2 on February 25, 2024, 03:54:45 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on February 25, 2024, 03:42:50 PMDerry were not great there, good to get the win but that performance won't be enough to win many games.
Ref was awful.
I think he got the Rogers black wrong and the penalty and black wrong. Plus numerous other decisions that had me scratching my head.
Galway full strength would have beat us.
Only positive was we managed the win without some key players. Ryan Scullion made a few really good saves but then kicked right down the middle when we were getting cleaned at midfield during the 2nd half.
Mcguigan was very quiet too.
Gilmore deserves a start, I'd rate him above deccan cassidy.
Mckaigue lost at sea too often too.
Hopefully Conor Doherty isn't too badly injured, we'd definitely need him against the dubs.
You're sore on McKaigue. 100% worth his place and has been solid this year. Team leads leaders and he's one of them.
McEvoy has an old experienced head on young shoulders. Nothing phases him.
I'd agree with most on the 2nd black, penalty yes, black card no. Maher on C Doherty was more a black card, dove in and across him to take him out, he was never bending down to actually pick the ball up. Sleeked move
Don't get me wrong, he's the best available option right now with McKinless out, but when he returns I can't see how McKaigue starts ahead of McEvoy or Baker. He's not the player he was - which is simply time catching up on him imo. Not faulting his effort or anything....I just think he's fallen down the pecking order in terms of effectiveness.
Quote from: screenexile on February 25, 2024, 06:42:41 PMQuote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 06:32:25 PMDerry will care a lot more than the Dubs. Not that controversial an opinion.
Absolutely not but not sure why the Dubs would lift the intensity this weekend and not next weekend?
Also it's hard to see Derry being as hungry with 6 points on the board difficult to know what to make of next weekend.
I'd hope it's similar to last year with both teams doing the best they can with what's available. Potentially a really good game!
I think Derry will go out to win it. They'll be hungry as Dublin are AI champions, and that's where this group of players see themselves. So long as we are competitive to the end, I wouldn't be too concerned with the result. We're safe now in Div1, anything else is a bonus.
Personally, I'd like to see or main players protected from injury between now and the end of the league. Currently without Lynch, McKinless, and Conor Doherty. That's 3 from our defensive lines and 2/3 of our attacking half back line. We need those guys all in come championship - and can't loss any of the other mainstays. We could cope with 1 or 2 injuries, but going beyond that seriously weakens the bench. In saying that, the depth of the panel this year is much stronger than last year.
Forgetting about the diabolical black cards Galways performance was decent enough. Galway though missed a lot in front of the posts, they weren't hail mary shots at the posts either and missed 7 or 8 shots they should be scoring and obviously the goal chance that Niall Daly missed. Joyce will be very disappointed with the 1st and 3rd goals, they got in far too easy.
John Daly was back to his best and signs Finnerty is too although he missed a few he should have scored but was getting himself into scoring positions ands got on plenty of ball. McGrath too did a brilliant job on McGuigan. The likes of Niall Daly & D'Arcy who are much maligned did ok and had good contributions for the lads that are way down the pecking order when everyone is available. Mulkerins & Molloy are really struggling though but both lads are back from serious injuries so are going to need time, O'Conghaile is finding it tough going but like that he's been given plenty of game time for a lad thats still only 20. He'll reap the benefits in the long run.
A must win next week is a must but don't think 5 points will be enough to stay up even if they win. Tyrone beating Mayo puts them in a great position and Galway's last 2 games are Dublin and Kerry.
Even if any of the injured players return their not going to have much impact for the league and as like the Galway posters above I'm concerned how much game time they've missed. Think the draw in Connacht has worked out well with what should be a couple of games before the Connacht Final and then the 3 group games so the new format works out better then the old one, only time will tell though.
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:50:22 AMSo with 24 games played in Division 1 and host of incidents that "gave the referee a decision to make" we can conclude to the best of my knowledge Con Kilpatrick was the only player to have been sent off for a clumsy challenge and Tyrone are the only team to concede a penalty and suffer a black card from DOGSO decision?
Has there been any other red cards in Division 1?
Jarlath Burns has his work cut out if he wants to level the playing field.
Donie Smith got sent off for Roscommon.
Conn was sent of for striking i believe and should have got the line again at the weekend for the same thing.
No he was sent off for running into a man which was soft in the extreme.
You are correct though, he should have went for striking at the weekend
Quote from: An Watcher on February 26, 2024, 11:07:35 AMNo he was sent off for running into a man which was soft in the extreme.
You are correct though, he should have went for striking at the weekend
In what was a poor ref display all in, that decision was just weird.
So the ref saw what happened, stopped play and went straight to them, and issued a yellow for a clear red car offence.
Kilpatrick was a very lucky boy.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 26, 2024, 10:24:37 AMForgetting about the diabolical black cards Galways performance was decent enough. Galway though missed a lot in front of the posts, they weren't hail mary shots at the posts either and missed 7 or 8 shots they should be scoring and obviously the goal chance that Niall Daly missed. Joyce will be very disappointed with the 1st and 3rd goals, they got in far too easy.
John Daly was back to his best and signs Finnerty is too although he missed a few he should have scored but was getting himself into scoring positions ands got on plenty of ball. McGrath too did a brilliant job on McGuigan. The likes of Niall Daly & D'Arcy who are much maligned did ok and had good contributions for the lads that are way down the pecking order when everyone is available. Mulkerins & Molloy are really struggling though but both lads are back from serious injuries so are going to need time, O'Conghaile is finding it tough going but like that he's been given plenty of game time for a lad thats still only 20. He'll reap the benefits in the long run.
A must win next week is a must but don't think 5 points will be enough to stay up even if they win. Tyrone beating Mayo puts them in a great position and Galway's last 2 games are Dublin and Kerry.
Even if any of the injured players return their not going to have much impact for the league and as like the Galway posters above I'm concerned how much game time they've missed. Think the draw in Connacht has worked out well with what should be a couple of games before the Connacht Final and then the 3 group games so the new format works out better then the old one, only time will tell though.
There are 7 teams within 2 points of each other and max 24 points available.
2 teams have to go down. It is impossible to predict at this stage.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 26, 2024, 11:07:35 AMNo he was sent off for running into a man which was soft in the extreme.
You are correct though, he should have went for striking at the weekend
the ref put that in his report did he?
Red card issued as man ran into another.
I doubt that
Rewatching the Galway game there, Galway 1st black probably a yellow, but the tackle on Rodgers the lad grabbed him round the neck dragging him to the ground, can't see the complaints. One thing I notice at football, Players can't tackle at all, it's a slapping session with both hands. Arm dragging, pulling, practically a foul every time, If a ref enforced the rules it be a free every 30 secs. A slight tug on a Jersey ref give a free, but 3 men round you ,slapping with 6 hands all at once ain't a free. They never enforce pushes in the back which Donegal do now constantly at ever contact.
Derry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
The black for Molloy in the Galway v Derry game was debatable. Trips on purpose are a black card offence not sure can you say that about Molloys tackle/foul.
Not sure how the ref deemed it as a clear goal scoring opportunity when there was a covering defender and the Derry player was kicking for a point. Galway with half of their team out injured should draw plenty of encouragement to be as competitive as they were against the form team in division 1.
League final could well be the repeat of Division 2 last year. The relegation battle is intriguing with five teams still seeking points to avoid the trap door.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2024, 05:18:34 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it
He definitely wasn't!
https://x.com/sporttg4/status/1761770141140816350?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Quote from: screenexile on February 26, 2024, 05:23:28 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2024, 05:18:34 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it
He definitely wasn't!
https://x.com/sporttg4/status/1761770141140816350?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Looks pretty clear that he's outside the square when the ball leaves the other player's hands.
It wasn't a set play, so he's allowed to enter the square before the ball does.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2024, 05:34:23 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 26, 2024, 05:23:28 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2024, 05:18:34 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it
Speaking of dodgy goals surely Roscommon's shouldn't have stood. Keeper had the ball in his hands and the forward pushed him over the line ? Didnt matter to the result but it was a free out all day
He definitely wasn't!
https://x.com/sporttg4/status/1761770141140816350?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Looks pretty clear that he's outside the square when the ball leaves the other player's hands.
It wasn't a set play, so he's allowed to enter the square before the ball does.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2024, 05:34:23 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 26, 2024, 05:23:28 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2024, 05:18:34 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it
He definitely wasn't!
https://x.com/sporttg4/status/1761770141140816350?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Looks pretty clear that he's outside the square when the ball leaves the other player's hands.
It wasn't a set play, so he's allowed to enter the square before the ball does.
It's not clear at all where the line is, but it looks like he is outside what we think is the square when the ball is played in.
Quote from: Main Street on February 28, 2024, 01:04:33 AMQuote from: J70 on February 26, 2024, 05:34:23 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 26, 2024, 05:23:28 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2024, 05:18:34 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 26, 2024, 01:24:40 PMDerry last goal probably a square ball, but the Umpire raised his flag super quick.
He was clearly in the square. Thought it strange that no one questioned it
He definitely wasn't!
https://x.com/sporttg4/status/1761770141140816350?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Looks pretty clear that he's outside the square when the ball leaves the other player's hands.
It wasn't a set play, so he's allowed to enter the square before the ball does.
It's not clear at all where the line is, but it looks like he is outside what we think is the square when the ball is played in.
With eyesight like that you should take up reffing.
Dublin @ 6/5 to win is massively overpriced!!!
I really hope we can get a win but based on how Dublin and ourselves played last weekend I just can't see it. I thought we were quite poor against a very average Galway side and could have lost only for certain decisions going against them. Celtic Park is a factor of course but I just think the Dubs would have to be favourites given how they dismantled Kerry last week.
The game was basically over after 20 mins!
Quote from: screenexile on February 28, 2024, 05:22:29 PMDublin @ 6/5 to win is massively overpriced!!!
I really hope we can get a win but based on how Dublin and ourselves played last weekend I just can't see it. I thought we were quite poor against a very average Galway side and could have lost only for certain decisions going against them. Celtic Park is a factor of course but I just think the Dubs would have to be favourites given how they dismantled Kerry last week.
The game was basically over after 20 mins!
Dublin have 4 points after 4 matches but one of those wins was against Kerry. They may not want Derry to develop any notions.
Quote from: screenexile on February 28, 2024, 05:22:29 PMDublin @ 6/5 to win is massively overpriced!!!
I really hope we can get a win but based on how Dublin and ourselves played last weekend I just can't see it. I thought we were quite poor against a very average Galway side and could have lost only for certain decisions going against them. Celtic Park is a factor of course but I just think the Dubs would have to be favourites given how they dismantled Kerry last week.
The game was basically over after 20 mins!
Going by the bookies and their punters they think history will repeat itself with Derry to beat Dublin in round 5 by one point. Derry at home as a team should defend a lot better than Kerry did in Croke park last weekend but I'm sure Dublin will be determined to not allow what happened in Celtic Park last year be repeated.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 28, 2024, 07:03:15 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 28, 2024, 05:22:29 PMDublin @ 6/5 to win is massively overpriced!!!
I really hope we can get a win but based on how Dublin and ourselves played last weekend I just can't see it. I thought we were quite poor against a very average Galway side and could have lost only for certain decisions going against them. Celtic Park is a factor of course but I just think the Dubs would have to be favourites given how they dismantled Kerry last week.
The game was basically over after 20 mins!
Going by the bookies and their punters they think history will repeat itself with Derry to beat Dublin in round 5 by one point. Derry at home as a team should defend a lot better than Kerry did in Croke park last weekend but I'm sure Dublin will be determined to not allow what happened in Celtic Park last year be repeated.
Injuries to key derry players will be a huge factor. If McKinless and Conor Doherty are out, that's a huge swing factor.
It would also be a huge step up for Scullion in goals.
Derry started the year on 9/1 but are now priced at 6/1. Kerry and Dublin are neck and neck at 11/4
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 29, 2024, 11:36:40 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on February 28, 2024, 07:03:15 PMQuote from: screenexile on February 28, 2024, 05:22:29 PMDublin @ 6/5 to win is massively overpriced!!!
I really hope we can get a win but based on how Dublin and ourselves played last weekend I just can't see it. I thought we were quite poor against a very average Galway side and could have lost only for certain decisions going against them. Celtic Park is a factor of course but I just think the Dubs would have to be favourites given how they dismantled Kerry last week.
The game was basically over after 20 mins!
Going by the bookies and their punters they think history will repeat itself with Derry to beat Dublin in round 5 by one point. Derry at home as a team should defend a lot better than Kerry did in Croke park last weekend but I'm sure Dublin will be determined to not allow what happened in Celtic Park last year be repeated.
Injuries to key derry players will be a huge factor. If McKinless and Conor Doherty are out, that's a huge swing factor.
It would also be a huge step up for Scullion in goals.
Injuries won't help Derry's cause, I'm still expecting a good competitive battle between the two in what could well be the dress rehearsal for the league final at the end of March.
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/derry-set-to-rest-key-men-and-avoid-dublins-cross-examination-LZ4E4NXQGFCYLC6YHN3VZNAF4Q/
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 03:52:57 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/derry-set-to-rest-key-men-and-avoid-dublins-cross-examination-LZ4E4NXQGFCYLC6YHN3VZNAF4Q/
Would love to know whos providing that info to the media?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 03:52:57 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/derry-set-to-rest-key-men-and-avoid-dublins-cross-examination-LZ4E4NXQGFCYLC6YHN3VZNAF4Q/
Eight points secured four points ahead of the rest. Would be a sensible decision to rest players.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 01, 2024, 04:05:43 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 03:52:57 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/derry-set-to-rest-key-men-and-avoid-dublins-cross-examination-LZ4E4NXQGFCYLC6YHN3VZNAF4Q/
Eight points secured four points ahead of the rest. Would be a sensible decision to rest players.
No idea if that's right or not as Derry name their team very late on these days but Cahair is prob not far off the money. A sensible decision if it turns out to be the case. We could be playing the Dubs again in a month in a league final.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 04:36:04 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 01, 2024, 04:05:43 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 03:52:57 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/derry-set-to-rest-key-men-and-avoid-dublins-cross-examination-LZ4E4NXQGFCYLC6YHN3VZNAF4Q/
Eight points secured four points ahead of the rest. Would be a sensible decision to rest players.
No idea if that's right or not as Derry name their team very late on these days but Cahair is prob not far off the money. A sensible decision if it turns out to be the case. We could be playing the Dubs again in a month in a league final.
Cahair has good sources he doesn't normally post articles up without getting his information correct. Will likely play Dublin in a month in the final though a League final would probably be more winnable if Dublin wasn't in it however Mickey Harte is looking at the long term and championship and feels now is the ideal time to rest players.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 01, 2024, 04:51:04 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 04:36:04 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 01, 2024, 04:05:43 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 01, 2024, 03:52:57 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/gaa/derry-set-to-rest-key-men-and-avoid-dublins-cross-examination-LZ4E4NXQGFCYLC6YHN3VZNAF4Q/
Eight points secured four points ahead of the rest. Would be a sensible decision to rest players.
No idea if that's right or not as Derry name their team very late on these days but Cahair is prob not far off the money. A sensible decision if it turns out to be the case. We could be playing the Dubs again in a month in a league final.
Cahair has good sources he doesn't normally post articles up without getting his information correct. Will likely play Dublin in a month in the final though a League final would probably be more winnable if Dublin wasn't in it however Mickey Harte is looking at the long term and championship and feels now is the ideal time to rest players.
Hard to disagree with it. After all the keyboard experts here have been saying we've been playing too strong a team to date ;D
Mayo with six changes from the team that started last weekend in Omagh. Into the starting fifteen come Colm Reape, Donnacha McHugh, Jack Carney, Bob Tuohy, Aidan O'Shea and Ryan O'Donoghue.
1. Colm Reape (Knockmore)
2. Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis)
3. Rory Brickenden (Westport)
4. Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites)
5. Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels)
6. Stephen Coen (C) (Hollymount Carramore)
7. Enda Hession (Garrymore)
8. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
9. Jack Carney (Kilmeena)
10. Bob Tuohy (Castlebar Mitchels)
11. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
12. Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
13. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
14. Tommy Conroy (The Neale)
15. Ryan O'Donoghue (Béal an Mhuirthead)
Subs - TBC
Roscommon one change from last weekend with Niall Daly coming into the side. Are boosted by the return from injury of Ronan Daly,Ultan Harney both named on the bench.
1 Conor Carroll (Oranmore/Maree)
2 David Murray (Pádraig Pearses)
3 Brian Stack (St. Brigid's)
4 Niall Higgins (Elphin)
5 Niall Daly (Pádraig Pearses)
6 Eoin McCormack (St. Dominic's)
7 Dylan Ruane (Michael Glaveys)
8 Enda Smith (Boyle)
9 Shane Cunnane (St. Brigid's)
10 Robbie Dolan (St. Brigid's)
11 Diarmuid Murtagh (St. Faithleach's)
12 Ruaidhrí Fallon (St. Brigid's)
13 Donie Smith (Boyle)
14 Daire Cregg (Boyle)
15 James Fitzpatrick (Oran)
Subs: Colm Lavin (Éire Óg), Patrick Gavin (Clann na nGael), Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys), Evan Flynn (Tulsk Lord Edwards), Tadhg O'Rourke (Tulsk Lord Edwards), Ultan Harney (Clann na nGael), Ronan Daly (Pádraig Pearses), Cathal Heneghan (Michael Glaveys), Conor Cox (Éire Óg), Andrew Glennon (Michael Glaveys), Cian Connolly (Roscommon Gaels).
Quote from: screenexile on February 28, 2024, 05:22:29 PMDublin @ 6/5 to win is massively overpriced!!!
I really hope we can get a win but based on how Dublin and ourselves played last weekend I just can't see it. I thought we were quite poor against a very average Galway side and could have lost only for certain decisions going against them. Celtic Park is a factor of course but I just think the Dubs would have to be favourites given how they dismantled Kerry last week.
The game was basically over after 20 mins!
Dublin 1/2 now. Would like to have seen a stronger Derry team start as would the expected big crowd at Celtic park, I suppose this will give panellists their chance to make a name for themselves.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHq6pTvWkAEx8Nw?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 02:29:32 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHq6pTvWkAEx8Nw?format=jpg&name=large)
Seven changes to their starting 15.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 02, 2024, 03:24:34 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 02:29:32 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHq6pTvWkAEx8Nw?format=jpg&name=large)
Seven changes to their starting 15.
Still a strong side.....good to see men rested to be honest.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 02, 2024, 03:24:34 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 02:29:32 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHq6pTvWkAEx8Nw?format=jpg&name=large)
Seven changes to their starting 15.
Very tactical. They don't want a proper match against the Dubs this early in the season
Quote from: seafoid on March 02, 2024, 04:20:53 PMVery tactical. They don't want a proper match against the Dubs this early in the season
Can I change my choice in the prediction competition?
Moronic stupidity from McFaul there.
Reasonably happy with that given we've half a team on!
Not to say the Dubs won't run riot in the second half!
Quote from: screenexile on March 02, 2024, 05:38:31 PMReasonably happy with that given we've half a team on!
Not to say the Dubs won't run riot in the second half!
Was the wind with Dublin?
One point from play is some defending
Half time Derry 1-4 Dublin 0-9. Goal came at a good time for the home side at stage when it appeared the Dubs would pull away. Derry will need to apply a bit more pressure on the Dublin shooters from distance as they are well able to find the range unlike some other teams.
Quote from: screenexile on March 02, 2024, 05:38:31 PMReasonably happy with that given we've half a team on!
Not to say the Dubs won't run riot in the second half!
Happy enough. Mc Nally hasn't done us many favours either. As you say half a team so it was always going to take time to settle.
Dubs have been getting their frees very handy compared to Derry from what I've seen.
Dublin with all 15 players back in defence when Derry have the ball and tackling in packs. No different than other teams at the top however the narrative is very different about them in the media.
Jesus why are we subjected to Sean cavanagh. A dose.
Playing Dublin if you have a good team is a mathematical formula.
It's x<x+1
Dublin will always win , ideally via a one point hammering
It's the same formula that Mayo came up against so often.
Pour encourager les autres.
Rogers has had a very slow start to the year a few mistakes any time I've seen him play throw in the silly red card against Donegal
Quote from: Brendan on March 02, 2024, 05:59:51 PMRogers has had a very slow start to the year a few mistakes any time I've seen him play throw in the silly red card against Donegal
Aye, he's turned the ball over a lot this year. He's need to get back to carrying the ball and giving simple passes.
He's a good player but had a great year and expectations are probably a bit high for him tbh...
Derry doing rightly considering here. Still think they lack a bit in the forwards but glass some loss too.
That shot was going wide from McGuigan
Should have went on in
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 06:10:40 PMThat shot was going wide from McGuigan
Should have went on in
Yep, had open road in front of him. O'Hanlon would have got back in goal but still should have ended up with a one on one with the goalie rather than the pot luck shot he took on.
Dubs well in control without being great. Kilkenny and "Fento" have been very good.
Dublin getting it so easy in this game. Derry miles off it & happy to drop back just to have numbers, but Dublin still cutting through them handy.
Derry not marking tight anywhere on the pitch & have now resorted to potshots from distance.
It was a poor enough attempt from McGuigan with the Dublin keeper out the field.
Derry won't care and the narrative will be about them having half a team out but there have been some very poor performances there tonight. Dubs much more physical in almost every tackle. McGuigan (who has been decent) got out-jumped by Murchan for a goal chance FFS.
That is a thing for me... Derry don't look as physically strong. They're actually more mobile than I thought though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 06:22:13 PMThat is a thing for me... Derry don't look as physically strong. They're actually more mobile than I thought though.
They're not, and it's not just the experienced Dublin vs the young Derry lads. A lot of Derry ones are very slight and a lot of the younger Dubs look much stronger.
And whatever about Fenton vs Glass, Fenton has looked levels above both Rodgers and Bradley here without getting out of second gear.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2024, 06:26:44 PMAnd whatever about Fenton vs Glass, Fenton has looked levels above both Rodgers and Bradley here without getting out of second gear.
Rogers will be disappointed with his form so far this year. He was much better than Fenton this time last year and he'll need to be again if we meet them later down the road!
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2024, 06:24:42 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 06:22:13 PMThat is a thing for me... Derry don't look as physically strong. They're actually more mobile than I thought though.
They're not, and it's not just the experienced Dublin vs the young Derry lads. A lot of Derry ones are very slight and a lot of the younger Dubs look much stronger.
Agreed. Not quite this level yet tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 06:22:13 PMThat is a thing for me... Derry don't look as physically strong. They're actually more mobile than I thought though.
Noticed that today at an under 20 game with both teams.. physically, Dublin at different level of physical strength
Great appetite and workrate from the Dubs. Mototring along nicely. Some great scores by both sides but Derry didn't really bring it in the second half, so can't read too much into it.
Some amount of Palestinian flags at the Dubs end
I just can't get my head around how Derry have so many men back, yet any sort of run in the final third from a Dublin player resulted in them being free in space & their "marker" 5-10 metres off them.
Derry don't look fit at all.
Disappointing given the game it had been billed as all week, but can understand Harte's thinking. They'll play again in a few weeks.
Dublin 1-16 Derry 1-11. No real surprise that result with the amount of changes Derry made.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 06:30:03 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 02, 2024, 06:24:42 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 06:22:13 PMThat is a thing for me... Derry don't look as physically strong. They're actually more mobile than I thought though.
They're not, and it's not just the experienced Dublin vs the young Derry lads. A lot of Derry ones are very slight and a lot of the younger Dubs look much stronger.
Agreed. Not quite this level yet tbh.
When we're full out we've plenty of strength that wouldn't be a worry for me.
Any chance big brown not come bck outta AFL season, Badly need power up front,
Not often I think Sean Cavanagh is worth quoting but he said the Dubs performance v Kerry spooked Derry a bit and I think that's exactly what's happened - Mickey & Derry blinked first. Dubs came out with the f**k you we're the Dubs attitude and won pulling up. Bigger battles ahead surely but Derry took a big backwards step 2nite imo.
can derry do it in a warm sunday afternoon in croke park
Quote from: bennydorano on March 02, 2024, 06:58:58 PMNot often I think Sean Cavanagh is worth quoting but he said the Dubs performance v Kerry spooked Derry a bit and I think that's exactly what's happened - Mickey & Derry blinked first. Dubs came out with the f**k you we're the Dubs attitude and won pulling up. Bigger battles ahead surely but Derry took a big backwards step 2nite imo.
Yeah I think you are right and Micky picked a weakened side as he maybe knew what was coming. Derry a good side just not that level (hopefully it'll come)
Mickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
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This is a good game of football, an unusual surprise when Rossies are involved.
The score taking from both sides has been exceptional
Was it not the time to rest the likes of Glass against Kerry when it was only 6 days after the club final and that they also knew the Cliffords would be missing. Would agree with other posters that Derry completely sh*t it tonight against the Dubs.
Quote from: clarshack on March 02, 2024, 08:01:25 PMWas it not the time to rest the likes of Glass against Kerry when it was only 6 days after the club final and that they also knew the Cliffords would be missing. Would agree with other posters that Derry completely sh*t it tonight against the Dubs.
In one.
Extreme overthinking by Mickey Harte.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 07:28:09 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 02, 2024, 06:58:58 PMNot often I think Sean Cavanagh is worth quoting but he said the Dubs performance v Kerry spooked Derry a bit and I think that's exactly what's happened - Mickey & Derry blinked first. Dubs came out with the f**k you we're the Dubs attitude and won pulling up. Bigger battles ahead surely but Derry took a big backwards step 2nite imo.
Yeah I think you are right and Micky picked a weakened side as he maybe knew what was coming. Derry a good side just not that level (hopefully it'll come)
Are Dublin operating at a level of their own (again) with Derry next in line?
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 02, 2024, 08:04:25 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 07:28:09 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 02, 2024, 06:58:58 PMNot often I think Sean Cavanagh is worth quoting but he said the Dubs performance v Kerry spooked Derry a bit and I think that's exactly what's happened - Mickey & Derry blinked first. Dubs came out with the f**k you we're the Dubs attitude and won pulling up. Bigger battles ahead surely but Derry took a big backwards step 2nite imo.
Yeah I think you are right and Micky picked a weakened side as he maybe knew what was coming. Derry a good side just not that level (hopefully it'll come)
Are Dublin operating at a level of their own (again) with Derry next in line?
Peaking too early. It's only the first few days of March.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
What's his record against Mayo? Not that great from my memory.
Reading too much into it. Derry played a weaken team, not to worried about it, though Tyrone posters seem more worried about Ole Mickey. Derry strength in depth is not great but we already know this. Derry carrying too many small men in their squad. Doherty,Toner,McGuckian, Murphy, Small men need to be exceptional. Dublin have very few small men.Derry need to add panel men with a bit of size.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 02, 2024, 08:12:09 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
What's his record against Mayo? Not that great from my memory.
I can think of 3 Mayo wins to 1 Tyrone win during Harte time.
Half time came at wrong time for Roscommon. Mayo to push on.
Mayo have an issue with long range frees.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 02, 2024, 08:17:53 PMReading too much into it. Derry played a weaken team, not to worried about it, though Tyrone posters seem more worried about Ole Mickey. Derry strength in depth is not great but we already know this. Derry carrying too many small men in their squad. Doherty,Toner,McGuckian, Murphy, Small men need to be exceptional. Dublin have very few small men.Derry need to add panel men with a bit of size.
Mickey wants to win everything but Derry can't produce ready to go footballers as fast as Dublin can. Nobody can. Bleedin' coolchies. Derry will most likely get either injuries or fatigue. Even if they don't it won't matter. Dublin have at least one replacement team available. The journalists love asking questions as if it's sport and it's all subjective and different every time but the whole thing is a joke. The All Ireland is dead and it's only March.
The Dublin defeat that really spooked Harte was the 2011 1/4 Final defeat. The Dubs kicked 0-22 and it could have been a lot more that day.
Derry folk will be pondering Hartes selection this evening. He effectively raised the white flag on Friday morning when news of a weakened team started to filter through. Dublin went from odds against to odds on with the bookmakers.
Rory G would never have done that, he'd have certainly started his strongest side and roared and kicked every ball on the sideline
Harte is a canny operator for sure, but his latter tenure with Tyrone was conservative and risk averse football. Tonight really resonated.
What advantage have Derry gained from lying down? Have they learnt much? I dunno. I doubt they've learnt anything at all
They will still in all likelihood have to play Dublin again in the league final, close to a crucial Ulster championship tie V Donegal. Does he play a shadow side again with an eye on Donegal?
With hindsight, how wise was it to rush Conor Glass and the other 2 Glen lads to play Kerry 6 days after winning an all Ireland final. Harte got lucky in that none of them picked up an injury
I believe Derry need to win their next league game, otherwise they've thrown form and momentum away, and league points in Division 1 are not straight forward
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
He's already beaten Kerry this season.
Quote from: lenny on March 02, 2024, 08:47:48 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
He's already beaten Kerry this season.
Was a tongue in cheek joke. Harte has a few wins in league games over those teams but zero wins against those teams in championship football in over 12 years
What I learned after tonight is Tyrone people more say about it than Derry ones. Am happy enough to see what else is there, and we are light, still be enough at full strength for most.
Quote from: clarshack on March 02, 2024, 08:44:29 PMThe Dublin defeat that really spooked Harte was the 2011 1/4 Final defeat. The Dubs kicked 0-22 and it could have been a lot more that day.
Since that match Dublin have won 9 all Irelands in 12 years. It is obscene.
The previous number of years needed for Dublin to collect nine all Irelands was 72 years, from 1923 to 1995
I go one better, the 4 teams who won all-Ireland during Dublins dominance, 3 of them won by not having to play Dublin.Only Kerry 2 yrs ago managed to beat them on their way to an All-Ireland.
Quote from: God14 on March 02, 2024, 08:46:09 PMDerry folk will be pondering Hartes selection this evening. He effectively raised the white flag on Friday morning when news of a weakened team started to filter through. Dublin went from odds against to odds on with the bookmakers.
Rory G would never have done that, he'd have certainly started his strongest side and roared and kicked every ball on the sideline
Harte is a canny operator for sure, but his latter tenure with Tyrone was conservative and risk averse football. Tonight really resonated.
What advantage have Derry gained from lying down? Have they learnt much? I dunno. I doubt they've learnt anything at all
They will still in all likelihood have to play Dublin again in the league final, close to a crucial Ulster championship tie V Donegal. Does he play a shadow side again with an eye on Donegal?
With hindsight, how wise was it to rush Conor Glass and the other 2 Glen lads to play Kerry 6 days after winning an all Ireland final. Harte got lucky in that none of them picked up an injury
I believe Derry need to win their next league game, otherwise they've thrown form and momentum away, and league points in Division 1 are not straight forward
A repeat League final will be a conundrum for Mickey with Donegal waiting alrite. Big mis-step 2nite. The first seeds of doubt sewn.
Not looking great for Roscommon who have Kerry and Derry in their last 2 matches
Dubs have peaked too soon.
They'll fade in the white hot heat of the leinster championship.
You win nothing in march.
If derry had won thats what would have been said of them.
Positives for derry, mcevoy in full back with mcloskey and Baker is a really good option.
Gilmore can play chb against the best of them.
Bradley not atvthe races for mf against the dubs.
Murphy had glimpses of brilliance.
Downey struggled at half back.
That's some good learnings out if the game
It's all about championship.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 02, 2024, 08:12:09 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo
What's his record against Mayo? Not that great from my memory.
No championship win since 08?
Well if Derry beat Mayo, they put even a weaker team than tonight, out.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 02, 2024, 09:17:00 PMDubs have peaked too soon.
They'll fade in the white hot heat of the leinster championship.
You win nothing in march.
If derry had won thats what would have been said of them.
Positives for derry, mcevoy in full back with mcloskey and Baker is a really good option.
Gilmore can play chb against the best of them.
Bradley not atvthe races for mf against the dubs.
Murphy had glimpses of brilliance.
Downey struggled at half back.
That's some good learnings out if the game
It's all about championship.
Downey didn't belong in the same galaxy as Kilkenny. You normally only ever see Kilkenny finishing off handy scores because of the work he gets through and his tightly he's parked but he seemed to have all the space he needed and was happy to take advantage of it and kick some longer points.
What do Derry ones make of McFaul at the minute? Looks desperately in need of a break to me as has been flat for a while. They're not maximizing his potential in the half forward line.
He been playing in defence at No.6 really in the past 2 games but he's needed at 11,
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2024, 09:36:58 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 02, 2024, 09:17:00 PMDubs have peaked too soon.
They'll fade in the white hot heat of the leinster championship.
You win nothing in march.
If derry had won thats what would have been said of them.
Positives for derry, mcevoy in full back with mcloskey and Baker is a really good option.
Gilmore can play chb against the best of them.
Bradley not atvthe races for mf against the dubs.
Murphy had glimpses of brilliance.
Downey struggled at half back.
That's some good learnings out if the game
It's all about championship.
Downey didn't belong in the same galaxy as Kilkenny. You normally only ever see Kilkenny finishing off handy scores because of the work he gets through and his tightly he's parked but he seemed to have all the space he needed and was happy to take advantage of it and kick some longer points.
What do Derry ones make of McFaul at the minute? Looks desperately in need of a break to me as has been flat for a while. They're not maximizing his potential in the half forward line.
Not a Derry man by any stretch of the imagination but McFaul is quality, absolute quality. The question is where to play him to get the most benefit.
Glen needed him at 6, Derry don't as McEvoy / McKinless play that role but I feel McEvoy will be needed at 3 for McKaigue possibly.
McFaul at 11 is where Derry possibly need him to have maximum effect but he needs a few weeks away as he looks exhausted at the minute which is understandable.
McFaul has been good recently, hit a few wides tonight but he's had a good start to the season.
The same posters saying Derry bottled it were the ones outraged that we started the league with the Glen players. Mickey has played the league to perfection imo, pressure off after 4 games and able to rest players.
Dublin showed they are a level above tonight and if we are to stand any chance of beating them we need a full side out and everyone playing well.
Still think they should been more enticement to the likes of Ryan Dougan, M Warnock, C Bradley, J Doherty. Where they had a more physical size to offer something to the county team. We lost P McNeil and P Cassidy this year who had abit of height of the bench. We got 5 small men on the panel and that probably 3 too many. See D Higgins on the field but not on the 26, he injured?.
Dublin fully deserved the win and the scoreline probably flattered derry a bit.
Whilst I think it was good to give players their chance, I was disappointed with how we played. There seemed to be a lack of focus and intensity.
All that being said, I'd persist with this side for the remaining games and only revert to full strength in our last league game I prep for championship.
Quote from: seafoid on March 02, 2024, 09:10:28 PMNot looking great for Roscommon who have Kerry and Derry in their last 2 matches
Injuries, opt outs has taken its toll on Roscommon and they wouldn't have the strength in depth of other Division one teams. Had two good coaches in Gerry McGowan, Mark McHugh moving on aren't as competitive without them.
As for Mayo they clearly targeted tonights match for two points than against Tyrone in Omagh. I think 8 changes to their team and other than the injured Durcan, D O'Connor that was arguably Mayo's strongest 15 tonight. Boland the one real stand out player for them and it's really bizzare how he wasn't deemed enough for the panel last year.
Derry love to have a few of the forwards Roscommon have, Mayo likely the same opinion.Roscommon problems seem to be more at the back.
I think tonight crystallises what everyone knows... the Dubs are going to be ridiculously hard to beat!
Derry are rightly considered one of the top teams in the country and we should be challenging Kerry and Dublin at the top. The reality is we're a slight step below Kerry (and I think we've maybe surpassed them this year) and a giant leap away from Dublin.
We'd need the Dubs to have an off day and us a phenomenal day to beat them. Having said that I think we are absolutely playing to our full potential this last few years and I'm just happy that we're playing the top teams in Division 1 again.
Maybe in a one off game we could spring a surprise but as things stand I don't see how we could beat the Dubs when it matters. I can see us beating anyone else but the Dubs are on a different planet as things stand and anyone who does beat them will have earned it!!
We may be and probably are a forward or 2 away from an All Ireland and that's ok. From what I've seen the last 2 seasons I don't think we
Not too much to be learned from today. Both sides will have lots of changes to their lineups if they meet in the summer. What might be interesting would be to see their respective approaches if they were to meet in the league final.
Sorry to see Gannon going off injured. He's been having a good league, and he'll be missed.
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 03:20:58 AMI think tonight crystallises what everyone knows... the Dubs are going to be ridiculously hard to beat!
Derry are rightly considered one of the top teams in the country and we should be challenging Kerry and Dublin at the top. The reality is we're a slight step below Kerry (and I think we've maybe surpassed them this year) and a giant leap away from Dublin.
We'd need the Dubs to have an off day and us a phenomenal day to beat them. Having said that I think we are absolutely playing to our full potential this last few years and I'm just happy that we're playing the top teams in Division 1 again.
Maybe in a one off game we could spring a surprise but as things stand I don't see how we could beat the Dubs when it matters. I can see us beating anyone else but the Dubs are on a different planet as things stand and anyone who does beat them will have earned it!!
We may be and probably are a forward or 2 away from an All Ireland and that's ok. From what I've seen the last 2 seasons I don't think we
Bit quick for Derry fans claiming they've surpassed Kerry, having won a league game against them without their star players surely?
Will be interesting to see how the championship unfolds and if Derry's no.2 in the Country tag holds up.
Quote from: gallsman on March 02, 2024, 06:20:41 PMDerry won't care and the narrative will be about them having half a team out but there have been some very poor performances there tonight. Dubs much more physical in almost every tackle. McGuigan (who has been decent) got out-jumped by Murchan for a goal chance FFS.
The same boy was out jumping Clifford last week. Check him for ped's ;)
if derry are in final against dublin would you not want tot give your best players a chance at experience against dublin in croke park and a chance to win national silverware.
Derry doing the right thing resting boys imo, safe now and probably still will have enough to make a league final though if they want. Dublin flying and still men to come back, they're very good and up to the rest to up their game now to match them.
Would like to see how Derry/Galway/Donegal or ourselves would get on against them in championship football, reckon they aren't that far ahead.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 08:22:54 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 02, 2024, 06:20:41 PMDerry won't care and the narrative will be about them having half a team out but there have been some very poor performances there tonight. Dubs much more physical in almost every tackle. McGuigan (who has been decent) got out-jumped by Murchan for a goal chance FFS.
The same boy was out jumping Clifford last week. Check him for ped's ;)
I thought McGuigan gave Murchan a bit of a roasting, 4 from play and 3 frees he won himself. Pity he didn't get that long range goal effort it would have made a game of it
Quote from: Mario on March 02, 2024, 10:21:53 PMMcFaul has been good recently, hit a few wides tonight but he's had a good start to the season.
The same posters saying Derry bottled it were the ones outraged that we started the league with the Glen players. Mickey has played the league to perfection imo, pressure off after 4 games and able to rest players.
Dublin showed they are a level above tonight and if we are to stand any chance of beating them we need a full side out and everyone playing well.
That's it in a nutshell. Same goes for the likes of Kerry.
The chat in here is some craic. White flags, Derry players don't have the physique, they're not fit. Micky isn't the right man. Peaked too early, too late, mid peak.
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 03:20:58 AMI think tonight crystallises what everyone knows... the Dubs are going to be ridiculously hard to beat!
Derry are rightly considered one of the top teams in the country and we should be challenging Kerry and Dublin at the top. The reality is we're a slight step below Kerry (and I think we've maybe surpassed them this year) and a giant leap away from Dublin.
We'd need the Dubs to have an off day and us a phenomenal day to beat them. Having said that I think we are absolutely playing to our full potential this last few years and I'm just happy that we're playing the top teams in Division 1 again.
Maybe in a one off game we could spring a surprise but as things stand I don't see how we could beat the Dubs when it matters. I can see us beating anyone else but the Dubs are on a different planet as things stand and anyone who does beat them will have earned it!!
We may be and probably are a forward or 2 away from an All Ireland and that's ok. From what I've seen the last 2 seasons I don't think we
Don't drink and type folks!
Crystallises?? Jesus 🤦🏼�♂️
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 03:20:58 AMI think tonight crystallises what everyone knows... the Dubs are going to be ridiculously hard to beat!
Derry are rightly considered one of the top teams in the country and we should be challenging Kerry and Dublin at the top. The reality is we're a slight step below Kerry (and I think we've maybe surpassed them this year) and a giant leap away from Dublin.
We'd need the Dubs to have an off day and us a phenomenal day to beat them. Having said that I think we are absolutely playing to our full potential this last few years and I'm just happy that we're playing the top teams in Division 1 again.
Maybe in a one off game we could spring a surprise but as things stand I don't see how we could beat the Dubs when it matters. I can see us beating anyone else but the Dubs are on a different planet as things stand and anyone who does beat them will have earned it!!
We may be and probably are a forward or 2 away from an All Ireland and that's ok. From what I've seen the last 2 seasons I don't think we
Before 2011 the process worked. Good teams rose to the top, gained experience and maybe lost a final before winning one. Derry 1993 won at the first attempt. Coleman knew when they were ready. They needed a bit of luck too but they were deserving all Ireland champions and the whole country welcomed the win. That is how the Sam Maguire was designed to work.
It hasn't worked since 2011. Good teams have risen close to the top and been pushed down again. Jimmy only won the one big match. Sam has gone to Dublin 9 times
It is even worse than the EPL.
In the 90s Sam went to Ulster 4 times
In the 00s Sam went 4 times
In the 10s Sam went once
Ulster is subsidising Dublin. So are Connacht, Munster and the rest of Leinster.
Presumably Jarlath Burns is not stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwv2B4W9brk
Jesus if any team done the amount of shoving that Kerry do there would be some amount card.
How many cards for this?
Tyrone gonna Tyrone!
To be fair it was a mark don't know what the officials were at?
Quality of O'Neills jerseys being put to the test here.
Pathetic stuff all round from everyone.
Clifford unpunished again. Unreal
The linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:32:06 PMTyrone gonna Tyrone!
To be fair it was a mark don't know what the officials were at?
Nothing to do with Tyrone. Mark was given but changed to a slide line ball some how
Hard to bate a schmozzle
Tyrone may have poked the bear had looked better side.
Clifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
Quote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
correct.
Clifford and Conn got away with one there.
Absolutely no one thinking of the children
Quote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
he should have got a card but was two yellows for Kerry one for Tyrone so no need for the poor wee Tyrone narrative.kilpatrick was heavily involved didn't get card either.
Petey Harte away off with a ripped jersey?
Quote from: statto on March 03, 2024, 01:34:03 PMTyrone may have poked the bear had looked better side.
Poked what bear? Kerry amd Clifford were the ones who started that whole issue. Linesman and ref clueless.
Quote from: statto on March 03, 2024, 01:35:44 PMQuote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
he should have got a card but was two yellows for Kerry one for Tyrone so no need for the poor wee Tyrone narrative.kilpatrick was heavily involved didn't get card either.
There was more kerry ones starting it than tyrone.
Clifford not smelling of roses today. Dive for his free with the phantom around neck dive, then causing that row.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:38:07 PMQuote from: statto on March 03, 2024, 01:34:03 PMTyrone may have poked the bear had looked better side.
Poked what bear? Kerry amd Clifford were the ones who started that whole issue. Linesman and ref clueless.
There was two sides involved in the pushing and shoving and believe it or not some where wearing a white jersey.
Why was the goal disallowed?
Really good game so far
More top class officiating involving Tyrone. Kerry causing similar melee as Tyrone did v Armagh a few years ago. Number of red cards? Zero
Clifford who along with the linesman instigated the row, no sanction.
Again tell me how Tyrone are not treated differently to all other teams.
Quote from: befair on March 03, 2024, 01:43:01 PMReally good game so far
Tyrone gone to shit since that row.
Wides killing tyrone
WTF is McCurry doing hitting frees on that side.
Tyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 01:51:31 PMMore top class officiating involving Tyrone. Kerry causing similar melee as Tyrone did v Armagh a few years ago. Number of red cards? Zero
Clifford who along with the linesman instigated the row, no sanction.
Again tell me how Tyrone are not treated differently to all other teams.
LOL
Tyrone can be thankful that Mayo played a weakened team against them as that result will go a long way to keeping them up.
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
Row suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
I cant for the life of me see how DC escaped without some sort of card. Past instigators and perpetuators of a melee have been red carded.
Quote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Isnt contributing to a melee a red card offence ? It certainly was when tyrone played armagh. Clifford came in and put con on his ass staring the whole thing
Quote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 03, 2024, 02:05:05 PMI cant for the life of me see how DC escaped without some sort of card. Past instigators and perpetuators of a melee have been red carded.
The golden boy is allowed to do whatever the fcuk he wants, up until he plays against Dublin. Then he's treated like everyone else.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:07:27 PMQuote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
Correct. DC starts it, PC pours petrol on it, both still on pitch. Wonder if retrospective action will be taken (as if, its Kerry)
A few minutes ago both teams had taken 15 shots
Kerry scored 12 of them
Throne scored 6
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:07:27 PMQuote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
When did Tyrone get penalised for this "often"? You continually reference a game two years ago when Tyrone (wrongly in my opinion) got three reds in injury time in a game they lost by 6 points.Tyrone instigated a row in injury time when the game was over. The referee had no impact on that result and Tyrone were second best on the day.
Quote from: statto on March 03, 2024, 02:23:23 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:07:27 PMQuote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
When did Tyrone get penalised for this "often"?
4 times in one game would be often lol
Been a poor enough second half Tyrone's tackling letting them down as well they give away too many frees.
Kerry haven't been great either giving a lot of easy ball away but they look reasonably comfortable.
Tyrone not lacking in physical aggression today but they have missed too many chances. Kerry a bit more efficient without being entirely convincing either.
It's bizarre to see the team with 4 All Irelands wear the four stars proudly on their jerseys while the team with 38 dont appear to have anything.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:29:26 PMQuote from: statto on March 03, 2024, 02:23:23 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:07:27 PMQuote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
When did Tyrone get penalised for this "often"?
4 times in one game would be often lol
Canavan in 05
McKenna v Fermanagh in 2022
Tyrones defence bar Hampsey has been seriously tested today. 😳
Tyrone must have at least twice as many wides as actual points however its a young team so not all bad.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 03, 2024, 02:33:24 PMTyrone not lacking in physical aggression today but they have missed too many chances. Kerry a bit more efficient without being entirely convincing either.
It's bizarre to see the team with 4 All Irelands wear the four stars proudly on their jerseys while the team with 38 dont appear to have anything.
Wouldnt fit all them on the jersey lol
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:36:47 PMTyrone must have at least twice as many wides as actual points however its a young team so not all bad.
Yeah we're a young team so that makes everything OK 👍
Either Hampsey is very quick or Clifford has lost a yard of pace, that's a few times now Hampsey has beaten him in a foot race.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 03, 2024, 02:33:24 PMTyrone not lacking in physical aggression today but they have missed too many chances. Kerry a bit more efficient without being entirely convincing either.
It's bizarre to see the team with 4 All Irelands wear the four stars proudly on their jerseys while the team with 38 dont appear to have anything.
Good to take pride in those 4 All Irelands... was a long time coming.
People should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
Quote from: Quarterbackk on March 03, 2024, 02:40:43 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:36:47 PMTyrone must have at least twice as many wides as actual points however its a young team so not all bad.
Yeah we're a young team so that makes everything OK 👍
What do you expect. A young team with at least 4 senior players missing vs a seasoned kerry team who have been in numerous semi and ai finals in last 4 years. Jesus need to have realistic expectations
Result as per central council directive. Fair play to David Coldrick and his team. Job done.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:36:10 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:29:26 PMQuote from: statto on March 03, 2024, 02:23:23 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:07:27 PMQuote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
When did Tyrone get penalised for this "often"?
4 times in one game would be often lol
Canavan in 05
McKenna v Fermanagh in 2022
So 3 times in 20 years?
Maybe 1 game in 100!
And Tryrone would not have got the run of the green 3 times in the same period?
Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
As a netural what would be your take on it
Tyrone gave Mayo a 4 point hammering last week.
This week Kerry gave Tyrone a 4 point hammering.
Tyrone 4 pts behind in injury time and still sitting in defence, letting Kerry pass the ball around and wind down the clock; why do teams keep doing this?
Quote from: befair on March 03, 2024, 02:52:35 PMTyrone 4 pts behind in injury time and still sitting in defence, letting Kerry pass the ball around and wind down the clock; why do teams keep doing this?
Because there was no time left to get two scores - and it's only the League. There's another game next week.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2024, 02:51:54 PMTyrone gave Mayo a 4 point hammering last week.
This week Kerry gave Tyrone a 4 point hammering.
Much harder to win away from home in League football. I wouldn't call any of them hammerings either, Tyrone had an abundance of missed chances today, their shot selection let them down especially in that second half.
Still no sign of red cards for similar tackles to Kilpatricks. Telling.
I'd say Tyrone won't be too disappointed.
Beat Monaghan at home next week and they are safe you would imagine.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:09:21 PMStill no sign of red cards for similar tackles to Kilpatricks. Telling.
Not that there should be but yes, there are boys getting away with much worse so the suggestion that there is some sort of focused clampdown on certain tackles was total balls.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2024, 02:51:54 PMTyrone gave Mayo a 4 point hammering last week.
This week Kerry gave Tyrone a 4 point hammering.
Kerry winning by a bit to spare was expected today a reaction was always going to be delivered after their showing v Dublin.
Mayo played a big part in that match last weekend with their choice of team. Strongest avaliable teams was selected in other games and Mayo beat Dublin by 1, Roscommon by 6,Galway by 8 and Lost to Kerry away but worth remembering that was with the lack kick of the game when Mayo was down to 14 men.
This has been entertaining today
Quote from: yellowcard on March 03, 2024, 03:02:56 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2024, 02:51:54 PMTyrone gave Mayo a 4 point hammering last week.
This week Kerry gave Tyrone a 4 point hammering.
Much harder to win away from home in League football. I wouldn't call any of them hammerings either, Tyrone had an abundance of missed chances today, their shot selection let them down especially in that second half.
Both games were 4 point hammerings with the winning team pulling up in the last quarter.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
I wanted to start a separate thread to discuss all the anti Tyrone decisions. But the Junta that run the GAAboard deleted it and warned me! A f**king warning for starting a thread about GAA!!
Just do it fairly. That's all we're asking! That surely is in everyone's interests?
The siege is real.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 03, 2024, 03:13:30 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:09:21 PMStill no sign of red cards for similar tackles to Kilpatricks. Telling.
Not that there should be but yes, there are boys getting away with much worse so the suggestion that there is some sort of focused clampdown on certain tackles was total balls.
Spot on
Goal for Galway in the doomed St Tiernach's Park
Every week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
Think this is the year Monaghan finally go down. They've hit the post 3 times, conceded 2 unlucky goals and had a very very harsh black card. Galway aren't great either but they're getting the breaks
Galway forwards are lethal
another jammy galway goal
Half time Monaghan 0-7 Galway 3-4. The tribesmen with two lucky goals and 3rd poor goal keeping just before the break the difference in that half.
https://youtu.be/XAYhNHhxN0A
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 03, 2024, 03:54:12 PMHalf time Monaghan 0-7 Galway 3-4. The tribesmen with two lucky goals and 3rd poor goal keeping just before the break the difference in that half.
Thought the black was really harsh too. Looks like Roscommon and Monaghan are doomed
The high ball in is killing Monaghan.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:46:13 PMEvery week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
That's because nobody can be arsed engaging in your nonsense.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:46:13 PMEvery week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
It's a conspiracy so it is!
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:46:13 PMEvery week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
(https://preview.redd.it/ckbigzba4s481.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bb1c04440c58ea97a79f7f66e3ff037f75d84e8d)
The forward mark is a blight on the game.
Except when Derry use it of course.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 04:03:12 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:46:13 PMEvery week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
That's because nobody can be arsed engaging in your nonsense.
It's all nonsense? Well if <checks notes> Bennydorano says so it must be all in my head.
The goals especially the 3rd one right before half time has killed this Monaghan v Galway game as a contest.
Monaghan not getting the breaks...like Tyrone ;)
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 03, 2024, 04:37:12 PMThe goals especially the 3rd one right before half time has killed this Monaghan v Galway game as a contest.
Indiscipline (Black card) and inaccuracy as well.
Monaghan vs Tyrone massive now.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 04:30:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 04:03:12 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:46:13 PMEvery week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
That's because nobody can be arsed engaging in your nonsense.
It's all nonsense? Well if <checks notes> Bennydorano says so it must be all in my head.
How David Clifford didn't get a card for throwing Kilpatrick to the ground...is a mystery !
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on March 03, 2024, 05:01:38 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 04:30:27 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 04:03:12 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:46:13 PMEvery week there's an incident in Tyrone game and every single week the referee's decision goes against Tyrone. Thats the reality and nobody here, even the most partisan aren't denying it.
That's because nobody can be arsed engaging in your nonsense.
It's all nonsense? Well if <checks notes> Bennydorano says so it must be all in my head.
How David Clifford didn't get a card for thrown Kilpatrick to the ground...is a mystery !
Unless....
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 04:57:37 PMMonaghan vs Tyrone massive now. Tc
Monaghan always fancy the win against Tyrone, there's no fear at all. They will technically go ahead of Tyrone in the table with the win.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2024, 05:17:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 04:57:37 PMMonaghan vs Tyrone massive now. Tc
Monaghan always fancy the win against Tyrone, there's no fear at all. They will technically go ahead of Tyrone in the table with the win.
Monaghan will fancy their chances with the weight of the GAA and referees on their side. They really can't lose.
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:07:27 PMQuote from: meathie on March 03, 2024, 02:04:19 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 02:01:14 PMRow suited Kerry. Turned the game. Two Clifford's should be off the field. But that doesn't suit the GAA and they're protected by refs.
So turns out, Paudie Clifford wasn't third man in. Who would have thunk it
How the feck did you come to that conclusion?! Show me the part where either did anything to actually warrant a red card there?
Paudie third man in. That's been a red for a long while. Tyrone often get penalised for it.
DC threw Con to the ground and jumped on him and then elbowed a Tyrone player.
These are red card offences.
Just do it fair. That's all we're asking
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 04:57:37 PMMonaghan vs Tyrone massive now.
Only if Monaghan win,
unlikely though.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:32:58 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
I wanted to start a separate thread to discuss all the anti Tyrone decisions. But the Junta that run the GAAboard deleted it and warned me! A f**king warning for starting a thread about GAA!!
Just do it fairly. That's all we're asking! That surely is in everyone's interests?
You were asked to put your comments in the Tyrone thread, as I can't move threads/posts in the latest version of the board.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 03, 2024, 05:39:06 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:32:58 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
I wanted to start a separate thread to discuss all the anti Tyrone decisions. But the Junta that run the GAAboard deleted it and warned me! A f**king warning for starting a thread about GAA!!
Just do it fairly. That's all we're asking! That surely is in everyone's interests?
You were asked to put your comments in the Tyrone thread, as I can't move threads/posts in the latest version of the board.
Trailer being economical with the truth? Colour me shocked
Last week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
Quote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 05:36:41 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Not really lol. Light up front means no one creating scoring chances, we created loads just didnt convert many 😅
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 03, 2024, 05:39:06 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:32:58 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
I wanted to start a separate thread to discuss all the anti Tyrone decisions. But the Junta that run the GAAboard deleted it and warned me! A f**king warning for starting a thread about GAA!!
Just do it fairly. That's all we're asking! That surely is in everyone's interests?
You were asked to put your comments in the Tyrone thread, as I can't move threads/posts in the latest version of the board.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 03, 2024, 05:39:06 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:32:58 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
I wanted to start a separate thread to discuss all the anti Tyrone decisions. But the Junta that run the GAAboard deleted it and warned me! A f**king warning for starting a thread about GAA!!
Just do it fairly. That's all we're asking! That surely is in everyone's interests?
You were asked to put your comments in the Tyrone thread, as I can't move threads/posts in the latest version of the board.
Why couldnt he create a new thread for discussion ?
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 05:55:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 05:36:41 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Not really lol. Light up front means no one creating scoring chances, we created loads just didnt convert many 😅
Eh, not scoring is light up front, literally, you know, putting the thing over the bar! ;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 05:49:25 PMQuote from: GAABoardMod5 on March 03, 2024, 05:39:06 PMQuote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 03:32:58 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2024, 02:47:35 PMPeople should just stop commenting on referee's decisions when their own team is playing. When you've calmed down and go back and read them you come across as deranged 90% of the time. (You being everyone).
I wanted to start a separate thread to discuss all the anti Tyrone decisions. But the Junta that run the GAAboard deleted it and warned me! A f**king warning for starting a thread about GAA!!
Just do it fairly. That's all we're asking! That surely is in everyone's interests?
You were asked to put your comments in the Tyrone thread, as I can't move threads/posts in the latest version of the board.
Trailer being economical with the truth? Colour me shocked
Am I ?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Quote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
Quote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
Was this always a rule?? Sure players touch all the time challenging for a ball?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 03, 2024, 06:23:41 PMQuote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
Was this always a rule?? Sure players touch all the time challenging for a ball?
Where is that from? Looked a mark to me. I thought the linesman signalled for a sideline ball anyway
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 03, 2024, 06:23:41 PMQuote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
Was this always a rule?? Sure players touch all the time challenging for a ball?
Where is that from? Looked a mark to me. I thought the linesman signalled for a sideline ball anyway
Didn't see it but if it was a mark then it wouldnt matter if he crossed the line?
Actually thinking of it is there a rule covering that?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 06:31:17 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 03, 2024, 06:23:41 PMQuote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
Was this always a rule?? Sure players touch all the time challenging for a ball?
Where is that from? Looked a mark to me. I thought the linesman signalled for a sideline ball anyway
Didn't see it but if it was a mark then it wouldnt matter if he crossed the line?
Actually thinking of it is there a rule covering that?
He didn't cross the line. Not even close to it. I just thought that's what the linesman signalled for
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:16:13 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Really??? https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1764286069896269873?t=0l8NNwu5ytw45bq5a8Qngg&s=19
Quote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
New information this.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 06:41:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:16:13 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Really??? https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1764286069896269873?t=0l8NNwu5ytw45bq5a8Qngg&s=19
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Maybe show post the link with the full video.
Conn takes a good mark. Linesman somehow gives a line all. Conn doesn't let go. DC knocks him over. Kerry 6 tries to take the ball then the Tyrone 6 and 11 come in before PC. The video you posted missed that bit out
Quote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 06:00:45 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 05:55:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 05:36:41 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Not really lol. Light up front means no one creating scoring chances, we created loads just didnt convert many 😅
Eh, not scoring is light up front, literally, you know, putting the thing over the bar! ;D
Sorry lads I meant light as in they had 3 small lads up front!!
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2024, 06:46:14 PMQuote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
New information this.
Can't see it before conn catches it but if they are saying the Kerry 6 touched it in flight then marks would be very very rare
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 06:41:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:16:13 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Really??? https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1764286069896269873?t=0l8NNwu5ytw45bq5a8Qngg&s=19
Jesus there was very little in any of that. Ref should be making them play on.
Trailer not the ole Bomber Destro by chance? He does the same amount of crying as that lad.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 07:17:18 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 06:41:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:16:13 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Really??? https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1764286069896269873?t=0l8NNwu5ytw45bq5a8Qngg&s=19
Jesus there was very little in any of that. Ref should be making them play on.
Regardless of how much there was in it
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 07:06:35 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 06:00:45 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 05:55:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 05:36:41 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Not really lol. Light up front means no one creating scoring chances, we created loads just didnt convert many 😅
Eh, not scoring is light up front, literally, you know, putting the thing over the bar! ;D
Sorry lads I meant light as in they had 3 small lads up front!!
Would agree. Good to have mcshane back as a big target man.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 07:37:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 07:17:18 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 06:41:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:16:13 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Really??? https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1764286069896269873?t=0l8NNwu5ytw45bq5a8Qngg&s=19
Jesus there was very little in any of that. Ref should be making them play on.
Regardless of how much there was in it Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 07:06:35 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 06:00:45 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 05:55:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 05:36:41 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Not really lol. Light up front means no one creating scoring chances, we created loads just didnt convert many 😅
Eh, not scoring is light up front, literally, you know, putting the thing over the bar! ;D
Sorry lads I meant light as in they had 3 small lads up front!!
Would agree. Good to have mcshane back as a big target man.
McShane will make a difference. I think you miss McKenna
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 07:47:25 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 07:37:01 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 07:17:18 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 06:41:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:16:13 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2024, 05:55:09 PMLast week he asked the question... when has any other county conceded a black card and a penalty for denial of a goal scoring opportunity? The first game on the RTÉ highlights show - yes the first one - a team (not his team) concede a penalty and a black card for denial of a goal scoring opportunity ;D I didn't see the game today but someone says Paudie Clifford wasn't the third man in. I don't know but would it be possible he is wrong...
I said PC wasnt the third man in. Two Tyrone men and a Kerry man were in before PC
Really??? https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1764286069896269873?t=0l8NNwu5ytw45bq5a8Qngg&s=19
Jesus there was very little in any of that. Ref should be making them play on.
Regardless of how much there was in it Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 07:06:35 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 06:00:45 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 05:55:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 03, 2024, 05:36:41 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 03, 2024, 02:00:44 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 01:56:19 PMTyrone defending woefully and look very light up front. Be interesting to see if they can put in a second half like last week.
Ref very whistle happy but don't think he's favouring one side over the other both getting some handy ones.
Wouldnt say they are light up front. Had 5 wides in a row. Different day they would have went over. Happy they are creating chances.
You are literally cementing screen's point ;D
Not really lol. Light up front means no one creating scoring chances, we created loads just didnt convert many 😅
Eh, not scoring is light up front, literally, you know, putting the thing over the bar! ;D
Sorry lads I meant light as in they had 3 small lads up front!!
Would agree. Good to have mcshane back as a big target man.
McShane will make a difference. I think you miss McKenna
He had moments of magic but never put in the hard yards like the other lads. Was very inconsistent from game to game.As talent as he was give me a dedicated player anyday
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 03, 2024, 06:23:41 PMQuote from: blanketattack on March 03, 2024, 06:22:04 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 03, 2024, 01:33:34 PMThe linesman caused that. Player took the mark. The fact that he went out after landing is irrelevant. He was in when his feet hit the ground.
It wasn't a mark because:
"In order to be awarded a "Mark", the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player."
Was this always a rule?? Sure players touch all the time challenging for a ball?
Where is that from? Looked a mark to me. I thought the linesman signalled for a sideline ball anyway
From no. 7 in:
https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/rules-regulations/the-mark
The wording is new but there was always something about being touched by an opponent/teammate.
I've a feeling the rule is there just to stop one teammate flicking it on mid-flight to another teammate for a mark.
It wasn't a mark as the other lad had the hand in first, just like a ball been fisted away in midfield and caught after, by somebody else, it aint a mark.
Just seen Woods black card for Monaghan. Joke of a call ffs.
Can I start a new thread for this black card not being given to Kerry??
https://x.com/billyoshea77/status/1764295488340135987?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Yip Black card
Love the way RTE show full highlights of the games that were on tv but Armaghs wasnt even streamed and they give us 30 seconds ffs.
Quote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 10:24:44 PMCan I start a new thread for this black card not being given to Kerry??
https://x.com/billyoshea77/status/1764295488340135987?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Maybe I am missing something or misunderstanding why is this a black card?
Quote from: David McKeown on March 03, 2024, 11:01:05 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 10:24:44 PMCan I start a new thread for this black card not being given to Kerry??
https://x.com/billyoshea77/status/1764295488340135987?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Maybe I am missing something or misunderstanding why is this a black card?
And why for Kerry?
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 03, 2024, 11:03:04 PMQuote from: David McKeown on March 03, 2024, 11:01:05 PMQuote from: screenexile on March 03, 2024, 10:24:44 PMCan I start a new thread for this black card not being given to Kerry??
https://x.com/billyoshea77/status/1764295488340135987?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Maybe I am missing something or misunderstanding why is this a black card?
And why for Kerry?
Sorry yes thats what I meant I can see an argument for it being a deliberate pull down by the Tyrone player, although i think that would be harsh
That's a harsh black card, even for the tin hat brigade
Not harsh at all, man knew excately what he was doing there,
What is he doing though?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2024, 11:10:43 PMThat's a harsh black card, even for the tin hat brigade
That is 100% a black card. Text book
The player arm (arguably) was on his thigh. Ref's view from that footage shows a player running past his vision, so he's not seeing the 30 slow mo's either.
Entanglement at best harsh black card at worst..
People want physical contact and when it's against your team we want no physical contact
We can highlight a hundred incidents in a game that are coin toss calls
Only see a half of this game and there wasn't much talk about bad calls
Some people though seem to make a living outta slow mo'ing every call
Arm on thigh, the Kerry lad got the ball, Tyrone man knowing he didn't get it, and was going to ground put his arm around the Kerry man's leg to drag him down too,and he meant it.
Typical zero coverage of the incident at the tyrone game. Almost as if they dont want to show kerry in any kind of negative light
Monaghan vs Throne is a huge match. Monaghan have to bate them to stay up. They need to win by at least 15 point. No hassle.
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 06:48:41 AMMonaghan vs Throne is a huge match. Monaghan have to bate them to stay up. They need to win by at least 15 point. No hassle.
Why 15 points would they not have Tyrone on the head to head then?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 09:27:31 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 06:48:41 AMMonaghan vs Throne is a huge match. Monaghan have to bate them to stay up. They need to win by at least 15 point. No hassle.
Why 15 points would they not have Tyrone on the head to head then?
Surely would? And Tyrone to play the Dubs too so would likely stay on 4 points. Can't see Monaghan beating them, I'd just stick Kilpatrick on edge of the square for a few.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
No mention of the row on TSG. Did Peter Harte get injured in the row?
Quote from: Gael85 on March 04, 2024, 10:02:28 AMQuote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
No mention of the row on TSG. Did Peter Harte get injured in the row?
Row?
A bit of pulling and dragging FFS.
a few gapey necked jerseys was the worse thing to come out of that.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 04, 2024, 10:40:07 AMQuote from: Gael85 on March 04, 2024, 10:02:28 AMQuote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
No mention of the row on TSG. Did Peter Harte get injured in the row?
Row?
A bit of pulling and dragging FFS.
a few gapey necked jerseys was the worse thing to come out of that.
If it wasn't a
Row? Then why did 3 players get booked? And why did Clifford the instigator not get booked?
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 04, 2024, 06:10:40 AMTypical zero coverage of the incident at the tyrone game. Almost as if they dont want to show kerry in any kind of negative light
If they had to shown it no doubt the Tyronies would be complaining that it was shown to paint them in a negative light.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 04, 2024, 11:04:22 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 04, 2024, 10:40:07 AMQuote from: Gael85 on March 04, 2024, 10:02:28 AMQuote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
No mention of the row on TSG. Did Peter Harte get injured in the row?
Row?
A bit of pulling and dragging FFS.
a few gapey necked jerseys was the worse thing to come out of that.
If it wasn't a Row? Then why did 3 players get booked? And why did Clifford the instigator not get booked?
bit of pushing and shoving but yeah if anyone was for getting booked it should been Clifford I thought.
Row, u lads not about when they were proper rows In the 90's. Think Meath v Mayo, Laois v Louth. The reason so many lads get involved in stuff now, is half them know they not get buried.I think if they bring in red cards for grabbing players by the throat,and yellow card every man coming Into a melee a start, whole f**king team or not. Ref not stand back and let it escalate. They would been more involved to break it up years ago.I was at Ice hockey other nite and the refs were in the players face the minute they squared off.Years ago it was just a beating session.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 04, 2024, 10:02:28 AMQuote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
No mention of the row on TSG. Did Peter Harte get injured in the row?
That was never likely to happen when you seen the 2 pundits sitting in the studio.
Clifford should have been booked in the incident but Tyrone fans are also over reacting by thinking that everyone is out to get them.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2024, 11:10:21 AMRow, u lads not about when they were proper rows In the 90's. Think Meath v Mayo, Laois v Louth. The reason so many lads get involved in stuff now, is half them know they not get buried.I think if they bring in red cards for grabbing players by the throat,and yellow card every man coming Into a melee a start, whole f**king team or not. Ref not stand back and let it escalate. They would been more involved to break it up years ago.I was at Ice hockey other nite and the refs were in the players face the minute they squared off.Years ago it was just a beating session.
Just loved that post, no truer words. 'The reason so many lads get involved in stuff now, is half them know they not get buried' ;D ;D ;D lol on the money
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2024, 11:10:21 AMRow, u lads not about when they were proper rows In the 90's. Think Meath v Mayo, Laois v Louth. The reason so many lads get involved in stuff now, is half them know they not get buried.I think if they bring in red cards for grabbing players by the throat,and yellow card every man coming Into a melee a start, whole f**king team or not. Ref not stand back and let it escalate. They would been more involved to break it up years ago.I was at Ice hockey other nite and the refs were in the players face the minute they squared off.Years ago it was just a beating session.
If lads want to bate the head off themselves then walt away!
I'm certainly not getting involved a breaking up lads, be a great chance for one of them to land one clean on the gub ;D
Did a challenge game at the weekend, I let them tear away and after half time they were grand
Tyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
Quote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:35:17 PMQuote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
clearly an agenda set out by CP. With Jarlath as president it will only get worse now
;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 04, 2024, 12:36:33 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:35:17 PMQuote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
clearly an agenda set out by CP. With Jarlath as president it will only get worse now
Will he even let them enter?
Quote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:35:17 PMQuote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
Unconscious bias
I'm not even allowed to start a separate thread on it!
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 04, 2024, 12:36:33 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:35:17 PMQuote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
clearly an agenda set out by CP. With Jarlath as president it will only get worse now
Man that's so lousey
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:44:58 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:35:17 PMQuote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
Unconscious bias
Oh! Not good
Quote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:50:05 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 04, 2024, 12:36:33 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 04, 2024, 12:35:17 PMQuote from: trailer on March 04, 2024, 12:29:24 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 12:13:35 PMTyrone football culture appears to have this infuriating thing of only having two possible states- either sublime or ridiculous. There seems to be no middle ground. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that people are out to get you.
All Tyrone people want is to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else. That's not to much to ask?
Begs the question, why, of all the counties, Tyrone are treated unfairly? Seems really unfair
clearly an agenda set out by CP. With Jarlath as president it will only get worse now
Man that's so lousey
absolutely terrible
Did Harte and P Clifford get booked in that instance as they are the respective Captains of each team??
Neither did any more or less than those others involved. Though Conn and D Clifford were the likely ones to pick up a yellow.
Quote from: Estimator on March 04, 2024, 01:00:31 PMDid Harte and P Clifford get booked in that instance as they are the respective Captains of each team??
Neither did any more or less than those others involved. Though Conn and D Clifford were the likely ones to pick up a yellow.
Another stupid rule, remember Nugent and Sean Kelly got sent off after that bit of a row in Croker as captains that time even though neither did a thing.
Thought Galway performed better against Derry but didn't get the breaks whereas yesterday they did. Joyce did say after the game they had targeted the high ball and it certainly paid off. Lots of sloppiness in the play yesterday!
Cunningham definitely took his chance but still think he'll struggle come the summer, he's still got a fair bit to go in the conditioning stakes but 1-3 from 4 attempts is great going. Mulkerrins and Molloy are really struggling, Glynn will surely be back in against Dublin after yesterday.
With all the injuries and after the performance against Mayo Galway have done well to get to 5 points.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 04, 2024, 01:21:50 PMThought Galway performed better against Derry but didn't get the breaks whereas yesterday they did. Joyce did say after the game they had targeted the high ball and it certainly paid off. Lots of sloppiness in the play yesterday!
Cunningham definitely took his chance but still think he'll struggle come the summer, he's still got a fair bit to go in the conditioning stakes but 1-3 from 4 attempts is great going. Mulkerrins and Molloy are really struggling, Glynn will surely be back in against Dublin after yesterday.
With all the injuries and after the performance against Mayo Galway have done well to get to 5 points.
Galway had some very nice passages of play yesterday. It was encouraging without most of the big names. Kelly at midfield was an interesting selection.
I made my way down to Kerry from Clare yesterday with my 8 year old daughter for what was a mostly enjoyable day. Nice weather, the Kerry scenery beautiful as always. The game wasn't too bad either bar the Tyrone wides and ref a little whistle happy at times for both teams. Doesn't feel like a bad defeat for Tyrone. A few defensive tweaks in the second half and we were back in it but it was too little, too late. During melee, I was disappointed to hear"shower of kna**ers, always were, always will be"from the row behind me. Middle aged, well dressed man from Kerry with small kids. Not nice to hear and disappointing for all within earshot, Kerry and Tyrone fans alike. I know there's always one but it felt very personal. Could do without it.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 03, 2024, 01:35:04 PMAbsolutely no one thinking of the children
As I said yday and this confirms it
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 04, 2024, 11:04:22 AMQuote from: johnnycool on March 04, 2024, 10:40:07 AMQuote from: Gael85 on March 04, 2024, 10:02:28 AMQuote from: tyroneman on March 03, 2024, 01:34:13 PMClifford started and kept that entire melee going and walks away scott free. One rule for the golden child. One rule for Tyorne.
No mention of the row on TSG. Did Peter Harte get injured in the row?
Row?
A bit of pulling and dragging FFS.
a few gapey necked jerseys was the worse thing to come out of that.
If it wasn't a Row? Then why did 3 players get booked? And why did Clifford the instigator not get booked?
You'd have to ask the referee that, but not one punch thrown, just makey up hard man stuff.
Not being a refereeing aficionado I don't understand how Kilpatrick didn't get the original mark before all the big pushing and shoving took hold.
Quote from: Whishtup on March 04, 2024, 01:38:12 PMI made my way down to Kerry from Clare yesterday with my 8 year old daughter for what was a mostly enjoyable day. Nice weather, the Kerry scenery beautiful as always. The game wasn't too bad either bar the Tyrone wides and ref a little whistle happy at times for both teams. Doesn't feel like a bad defeat for Tyrone. A few defensive tweaks in the second half and we were back in it but it was too little, too late. During melee, I was disappointed to hear"shower of kna**ers, always were, always will be"from the row behind me. Middle aged, well dressed man from Kerry with small kids. Not nice to hear and disappointing for all within earshot, Kerry and Tyrone fans alike. I know there's always one but it felt very personal. Could do without it.
Was he talking about the kerry team? Must have been since they started the whole thing
So will Beggan be back for the last few rounds of the league? From reading a few things this morning - the Irish lads aren't going to neccessarily find out their fate in the NFL in the next week or two.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 09:27:31 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 06:48:41 AMMonaghan vs Throne is a huge match. Monaghan have to bate them to stay up. They need to win by at least 15 point. No hassle.
Why 15 points would they not have Tyrone on the head to head then?
Good point. Tyrone are 5/2 for relegation. Might be worth a fiver
Power Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 05:14:29 PMPower Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
It's hard to know how accurate current form is in terms of the championship.
Some teams have definitely dropped focus on the league in order to concentrate on later on.
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 05:33:45 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 05:14:29 PMPower Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
It's hard to know how accurate current form is in terms of the championship.
Some teams have definitely dropped focus on the league in order to concentrate on later on.
Yes I'd hold off on any rankings until after the championship. Saying that I would expect Kerry,Derry and Dublin to reach the last four of the championship so long as they don't meet each other in the quarter finals.
I'd say if Galway were to get every fit they'd be as close to Dublin and Kerry as anyone. I don't think anyone bar Dublin have been wildly impressive and even at that they aren't near their golden years teams. Derry obviously been going well but at the end of the day it is only the league.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 04, 2024, 05:38:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 05:33:45 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 05:14:29 PMPower Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
It's hard to know how accurate current form is in terms of the championship.
Some teams have definitely dropped focus on the league in order to concentrate on later on.
Yes I'd hold off on any rankings until after the championship. Saying that I would expect Kerry,Derry and Dublin to reach the last four of the championship so long as they don't meet each other in the quarter finals.
Kerry and Dublin for sure but Ulster is important in terms of the seeding for the round robin . McGuinness may want to win Ulster...So might McGeeney...
Winning the province is important. Second means second choice in the round robin . Ulster runners up have a 66% chance of drawing either Kerry or Dublin in the RR. This may mean problems later on if players are injured. Derry need a bit of luck in order to avoid injuries and fatigue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fgBlpIt9no&t=90s
What Down do on you. I think they about 11, Division 3 or not.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0303/1435748-joyce-youd-like-to-play-in-dublin-game-yourself/
In a fortnight's time, the All-Ireland champions arrive in Salthill, a prospect that excites Joyce enough to pine for his playing days. Though Galway's home record is notably underwhelming in comparison to their performances on the road.
"
"Sometimes, this team play better when their backs are to the wall. That's our fifth point on the road and we've none at home.
"Maybe the next home game, we might go up and stay in Athlone or something for the night and come back down."
Quote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 06:10:31 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 04, 2024, 05:38:18 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 04, 2024, 05:33:45 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 05:14:29 PMPower Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
It's hard to know how accurate current form is in terms of the championship.
Some teams have definitely dropped focus on the league in order to concentrate on later on.
Yes I'd hold off on any rankings until after the championship. Saying that I would expect Kerry,Derry and Dublin to reach the last four of the championship so long as they don't meet each other in the quarter finals.
Kerry and Dublin for sure but Ulster is important in terms of the seeding for the round robin . McGuinness may want to win Ulster...So might McGeeney...
Winning the province is important. Second means second choice in the round robin . Ulster runners up have a 66% chance of drawing either Kerry or Dublin in the RR. This may mean problems later on if players are injured. Derry need a bit of luck in order to avoid injuries and fatigue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fgBlpIt9no&t=90s
Sure that's true for any team.
I think any match up between Derry/Armagh/Mayo/Galway is a 50/50 game if they play later on in the year.
You could possibly add Donegal or Tyrone or Roscommon to that list if they get their act together.
From what I see, Dublin seem particularly strong, I know McCarthy starting to slow up but will still start.i think Dublin gonna be around until Fenton, Kilkenny retire. Then most of the heavy lifting will have to be done by O'Callaghan. I know if I was playing against them, that's 3 players that I be earmarking for man to man markers. Jack Barry proved that Fenton influence can be greatly reduced.
Quote from: screenexile on March 04, 2024, 10:45:50 PMI think any match up between Derry/Armagh/Mayo/Galway is a 50/50 game if they play later on in the year.
You could possibly add Donegal or Tyrone or Roscommon to that list if they get their act together.
Agreed, would probably say ourselves and Tyrone/Donegal is probably 50/50 as well given the rivalries there. Think any of those 5 capable of catching Kerry in a one off game and Dublin if it was out of Croker.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2024, 10:49:49 PMFrom what I see, Dublin seem particularly strong, I know McCarthy starring to slow up but will still start.i think Dublin gonna be around until Fenton, Kilkenny retire. Then most of the heavy lifting will have to be done by O'Callaghan. I know if I was playing against them, that's 3 players that I be earmarking for man to man markers. Jack Barry proved that Fenton influence can be greatly reduced.
Glass vs Fenton would be some battle.
Quote from: Whishtup on March 04, 2024, 01:38:12 PMI made my way down to Kerry from Clare yesterday with my 8 year old daughter for what was a mostly enjoyable day. Nice weather, the Kerry scenery beautiful as always. The game wasn't too bad either bar the Tyrone wides and ref a little whistle happy at times for both teams. Doesn't feel like a bad defeat for Tyrone. A few defensive tweaks in the second half and we were back in it but it was too little, too late. During melee, I was disappointed to hear"shower of kna**ers, always were, always will be"from the row behind me. Middle aged, well dressed man from Kerry with small kids. Not nice to hear and disappointing for all within earshot, Kerry and Tyrone fans alike. I know there's always one but it felt very personal. Could do without it.
I've had a couple of hairy enough experiences at Croke Park for Tyrone v Kerry games. It definitely over steps the mark from time to time in that fixture. There's also a lorry load of bad incidents in the All Ireland club series between Tyrone and Kerry teams in the last 20 years. I'd support Derry or Armagh in a game against Kerry, wouldn't even be up for debate either
Quote from: Whishtup on March 04, 2024, 01:38:12 PMI made my way down to Kerry from Clare yesterday with my 8 year old daughter for what was a mostly enjoyable day. Nice weather, the Kerry scenery beautiful as always. The game wasn't too bad either bar the Tyrone wides and ref a little whistle happy at times for both teams. Doesn't feel like a bad defeat for Tyrone. A few defensive tweaks in the second half and we were back in it but it was too little, too late. During melee, I was disappointed to hear"shower of kna**ers, always were, always will be"from the row behind me. Middle aged, well dressed man from Kerry with small kids. Not nice to hear and disappointing for all within earshot, Kerry and Tyrone fans alike. I know there's always one but it felt very personal. Could do without it.
That sounds very unpleasant. It was definitely not about Tyrone people. Kerry football is not in great shape. In the last 20 years Kerry have been unable to beat first Tyrone and now Dublin. Kerry have lost 5 all Irelands to these 2 teams AFAIK. The roll of honour is now under threat. Kerry fans are used to winning and those days are over, at least for now.
Quote from: seafoid on March 05, 2024, 08:08:47 AMQuote from: Whishtup on March 04, 2024, 01:38:12 PMI made my way down to Kerry from Clare yesterday with my 8 year old daughter for what was a mostly enjoyable day. Nice weather, the Kerry scenery beautiful as always. The game wasn't too bad either bar the Tyrone wides and ref a little whistle happy at times for both teams. Doesn't feel like a bad defeat for Tyrone. A few defensive tweaks in the second half and we were back in it but it was too little, too late. During melee, I was disappointed to hear"shower of kna**ers, always were, always will be"from the row behind me. Middle aged, well dressed man from Kerry with small kids. Not nice to hear and disappointing for all within earshot, Kerry and Tyrone fans alike. I know there's always one but it felt very personal. Could do without it.
That sounds very unpleasant. It was definitely not about Tyrone people. Kerry football is not in great shape. In the last 20 years Kerry have been unable to beat first Tyrone and now Dublin. Kerry have lost 5 all Irelands to these 2 teams AFAIK. The roll of honour is now under threat. Kerry fans are used to winning and those days are over, at least for now.
They were reigning All Ireland champions this time last year.
Kerry will never be far away
QuoteIt was January, 2003, when then Kerry manager Paidi O Se caused huge controversy when he referred to Kerry fans as "f****** animals". He later apologised, stating that he meant they always demanded the most from his side.
Yeah you would think there Kerry are the poor relations. They are always there or thereabouts and will be again this year.
Back to the title of the thread....we're as good as relegated, losers of Monaghan v Tyrone likely to join us.
2 of Derry, Dublin, Kerry to make the Final.
We seem to be a total mess in many ways this year and a totally abject 2nd half last Saturday doesn't inspire confidence.
Maybe we have a cunning plan.....
You do tend to be better in the championship when you have been worse in the league...
Quote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2024, 10:14:13 AMBack to the title of the thread....we're as good as relegated, losers of Monaghan v Tyrone likely to join us.
2 of Derry, Dublin, Kerry to make the Final.
We seem to be a total mess in many ways this year and a totally abject 2nd half last Saturday doesn't inspire confidence.
Maybe we have a cunning plan.....
Roscommon reverting to the mean again.
Personally I'd prefer to have teams with realistic chance of winning an All Ireland in Division 1.
Donegal, Armagh and even Cork if they ever get their act together will be great additions to Division 1.
NFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
1. Darragh Canavan (Tyrone) 1-13
1. Con O'Callaghan (Dublin) 2-10
3. David Clifford (Kerry) 1-10
4. Shane McGuigan (Derry) 0-12
4. Sean O'Shea (Kerry) 0-12
6. Fergal Boland (Mayo) 0-11
6. Ciaran Daly (Tyrone) 1-08
8. Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo) 0-09
8. Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin) 0-09
10. Paudie Clifford (Kerry) 0-08
10. Jack McCarron (Monaghan) 0-08
10. Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon) 0-08
10. Enda Smith (Roscommon) 1-05
Has McGuigan not scored far more than that? Not sure on some of the rest.
Quote from: galwayman on March 05, 2024, 08:41:33 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 05, 2024, 08:08:47 AMQuote from: Whishtup on March 04, 2024, 01:38:12 PMI made my way down to Kerry from Clare yesterday with my 8 year old daughter for what was a mostly enjoyable day. Nice weather, the Kerry scenery beautiful as always. The game wasn't too bad either bar the Tyrone wides and ref a little whistle happy at times for both teams. Doesn't feel like a bad defeat for Tyrone. A few defensive tweaks in the second half and we were back in it but it was too little, too late. During melee, I was disappointed to hear"shower of kna**ers, always were, always will be"from the row behind me. Middle aged, well dressed man from Kerry with small kids. Not nice to hear and disappointing for all within earshot, Kerry and Tyrone fans alike. I know there's always one but it felt very personal. Could do without it.
That sounds very unpleasant. It was definitely not about Tyrone people. Kerry football is not in great shape. In the last 20 years Kerry have been unable to beat first Tyrone and now Dublin. Kerry have lost 5 all Irelands to these 2 teams AFAIK. The roll of honour is now under threat. Kerry fans are used to winning and those days are over, at least for now.
They were reigning All Ireland champions this time last year.
Kerry will never be far away
They lost 3 finals to Dublin. One all Ireland between 2010 and 2019. They are on a shaky scraw these days, on their terms. There are graveyards in Kerry with loads of Ireland medals but things have changed. Dublin winning 9 in 13 years when it previously took them 72 years to win 9 is really scary below in the Kingdom.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 05, 2024, 11:17:01 AMHas McGuigan not scored far more than that? Not sure on some of the rest.
I'd say that's accurate enough, I don't think he scored from play v Galway and maybe only 1 v Tyrone but was very good the other 3 games. Probably the case for other top forwards too but McGuigan wins an awful lot of Derry's frees too. V Dublin for example in the first half he was fouled 3 times for 3 converted frees.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
Are there stats for assists?
Stats most miles covered and stats for heart rate and stats for hand passes and kick passes and blah blah blah
Someone is making a good living off stats I tell ya
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2024, 10:49:49 PMFrom what I see, Dublin seem particularly strong, I know McCarthy starting to slow up but will still start.i think Dublin gonna be around until Fenton, Kilkenny retire. Then most of the heavy lifting will have to be done by O'Callaghan. I know if I was playing against them, that's 3 players that I be earmarking for man to man markers. Jack Barry proved that Fenton influence can be greatly reduced.
Man to man marking of three players is a difficult thing to do as a smart team will exploit the gaps if you are doing that.
Quote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 12:36:52 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
So if a player scored 10 points in a game, 9 from play
And another player scored 10 points, 1 from play
You're saying they played equally as well?
Quote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 12:36:52 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
How many from play?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 01:19:01 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 12:36:52 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
So if a player scored 10 points in a game, 9 from play
And another player scored 10 points, 1 from play
You're saying they played equally as well?
Is there a caveat here of having watched this hypothetical game to make your decision? Or that you could tell just from the scoring stats?
Quote from: JoG2 on March 05, 2024, 01:48:27 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 01:19:01 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 12:36:52 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
So if a player scored 10 points in a game, 9 from play
And another player scored 10 points, 1 from play
You're saying they played equally as well?
Is there a caveat here of having watched this hypothetical game to make your decision? Or that you could tell just from the scoring stats?
What if he wins all the frees himself before kicking them over the bar?
He won 10 plus himself and scored a no. Of frees against Monaghan which were low %
Quote from: trailer on March 05, 2024, 01:53:38 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 05, 2024, 01:48:27 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 01:19:01 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 12:36:52 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
So if a player scored 10 points in a game, 9 from play
And another player scored 10 points, 1 from play
You're saying they played equally as well?
Is there a caveat here of having watched this hypothetical game to make your decision? Or that you could tell just from the scoring stats?
What if he wins all the frees himself before kicking them over the bar?
See post above
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 05, 2024, 10:38:32 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2024, 10:14:13 AMBack to the title of the thread....we're as good as relegated, losers of Monaghan v Tyrone likely to join us.
2 of Derry, Dublin, Kerry to make the Final.
We seem to be a total mess in many ways this year and a totally abject 2nd half last Saturday doesn't inspire confidence.
Maybe we have a cunning plan.....
Roscommon reverting to the mean again.
Personally I'd prefer to have teams with realistic chance of winning an All Ireland in Division 1.
Donegal, Armagh and even Cork if they ever get their act together will be great additions to Division 1.
Sure I know ye miss us down there but on the optimistic side, we still have a shout of staying in Division 1 despite the major players who were unable to commit for 2024 (Murtagh, Daly, McKeon), and the injuries to some of our more promising young players (O'Carroll, Heneghan, Doyle). Not to mention good goals disallowed. I think we'll start to hit better form for our final two games with the goal of being ready for Mayo in the Hyde in April. Early days yet. No need to panic. There's never 8 teams in contention for Sam. There may not even be 2.
Roscommon have done well in recent years to be division one considering their small time success when it comes to the biggest stage.
I'd argue more than half the counties in Ireland have been in an All Ireland Semi Final since Roscommon last were?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 01:19:01 PMQuote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 12:36:52 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
I don't get this obsession from pundits/commentators about scores from play. They all count the same.
Shane Mc Guigan leads the top scoring charts in division 1 by a clear 7 points (on 1-30).
So if a player scored 10 points in a game, 9 from play
And another player scored 10 points, 1 from play
You're saying they played equally as well?
Depends on a lot of other things doesn't it? Are the frees tap overs from 14 yards, is he winning the frees himself and converting them?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 11:07:28 AMNFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
1. Darragh Canavan (Tyrone) 1-13
1. Con O'Callaghan (Dublin) 2-10
3. David Clifford (Kerry) 1-10
4. Shane McGuigan (Derry) 0-12
4. Sean O'Shea (Kerry) 0-12
6. Fergal Boland (Mayo) 0-11
6. Ciaran Daly (Tyrone) 1-08
8. Ryan O'Donoghue (Mayo) 0-09
8. Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin) 0-09
10. Paudie Clifford (Kerry) 0-08
10. Jack McCarron (Monaghan) 0-08
10. Diarmuid Murtagh (Roscommon) 0-08
10. Enda Smith (Roscommon) 1-05
Stand out player on that list when you consider he wasn't deemed good enough for the Mayo 36 man panel last year. Speaking of panel McStay has said he will now be trimming his panel as the focus goes towards the championship and trip to New York in early April. If Derry,Monaghan are seeking wins in those remaining games it will likely be a good time to play Mayo.
Quote from: weareros on March 05, 2024, 02:21:03 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 05, 2024, 10:38:32 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 05, 2024, 10:14:13 AMBack to the title of the thread....we're as good as relegated, losers of Monaghan v Tyrone likely to join us.
2 of Derry, Dublin, Kerry to make the Final.
We seem to be a total mess in many ways this year and a totally abject 2nd half last Saturday doesn't inspire confidence.
Maybe we have a cunning plan.....
Roscommon reverting to the mean again.
Personally I'd prefer to have teams with realistic chance of winning an All Ireland in Division 1.
Donegal, Armagh and even Cork if they ever get their act together will be great additions to Division 1.
Sure I know ye miss us down there but on the optimistic side, we still have a shout of staying in Division 1 despite the major players who were unable to commit for 2024 (Murtagh, Daly, McKeon), and the injuries to some of our more promising young players (O'Carroll, Heneghan, Doyle). Not to mention good goals disallowed. I think we'll start to hit better form for our final two games with the goal of being ready for Mayo in the Hyde in April. Early days yet. No need to panic. There's never 8 teams in contention for Sam. There may not even be 2.
In the new system I think division 2 is better place to spend the Spring. Accuracy and confidence levels are lower. Relegated teams can beat most opposition, try out new players, build up confidence. It's like the Tailteann for Division 1 teams. Roscommon and Monaghan have obviously decided not to prioritise the league this year. they will be a better position this time next year.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 05:14:29 PMPower Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
This is a ranking on Boards.ie based on FIFA ranking calculations. It suggests that Monaghan and Roscommon are for Div 2 and Kildare for Div 3. If you wonder why Armagh are higher than Donegal, this reflects last summer when Armagh were unbeaten and Donegal were beaten. It does not count penalties.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2024, 03:06:19 PMDepends on a lot of other things doesn't it? Are the frees tap overs from 14 yards, is he winning the frees himself and converting them?
Exactly. Are my scores from play 2 tap overs from 13 metres, and a fist over the bar from 10 metres, whereas my three frees from 30-45 metres out near the sideline (2 of which I won myself)? There are so many variables with scoring, just quoting scores from play, versus those from frees, doesn't tell you the whole story (and sometimes nowhere close to it).
Quote from: armaghniac on March 05, 2024, 04:41:26 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 04, 2024, 05:14:29 PMPower Rankings as I see it currently.
1. Dublin
2. Kerry
3. Derry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Cavan
13. Meath
14. Down
15. Louth
16. Fermanagh
17. Westmeath
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Antrim
22. Laois
23. Offaly
24. Wexford
25. Longford
26. Wicklow
27. Limerick
28. Carlow
29. Leitrim
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
This is a ranking on Boards.ie based on FIFA ranking calculations. It suggests that Monaghan and Roscommon are for Div 2 and Kildare for Div 3. If you wonder why Armagh are higher than Donegal, this reflects last summer when Armagh were unbeaten and Donegal were beaten. It does not count penalties.
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A lot of people seem to forget this but Armagh were beaten by Tyrone last summer.
Quote from: OakLeaf on March 05, 2024, 04:45:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2024, 03:06:19 PMDepends on a lot of other things doesn't it? Are the frees tap overs from 14 yards, is he winning the frees himself and converting them?
Exactly. Are my scores from play 2 tap overs from 13 metres, and a fist over the bar from 10 metres, whereas my three frees from 30-45 metres out near the sideline (2 of which I won myself)? There are so many variables with scoring, just quoting scores from play, versus those from frees, doesn't tell you the whole story (and sometimes nowhere close to it).
Yeah in fairness to McGuigan he wins an awful lot of his own frees as well from what I see.
Some top forwards in the country at the minute despite what some naysayers would have you believe- Con, Clifford, Canavan and McGuigan to name a few standing out at the minute. Obviously others as well plus the likes of Comer and Walsh out at the minute who are top drawer as well. Hoping we can get the 2 O'Neills motoring this year as they've the talent to be putting up big scores as well.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 05, 2024, 04:47:07 PMA lot of people seem to forget this but Armagh were beaten by Tyrone last summer.
Indeed, an event best forgotten.
And relegated by Tyrone a few months prior to that.
Tyrone seem to be more organised now and Monaghan have looked disjointed in the last 2 matches so a Tyrone win looks more likely.
Monaghan get long years of service from their best players. Corey, McManus, Hughes etc put in shifts over 15 years Monaghan and Ros are the top tier counties with the smallest populations so they can't really fire on all cylinders from January to July. I think the league this year is a consequence of the split season.
If the all Ireland was just knockout Monaghan could even have won one in recent years.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 05, 2024, 11:04:29 PMAnd relegated by Tyrone a few months prior to that.
Mayo resting 10 first choice players for the Monaghan game in round seven played as much a part if not more in Armagh's relegation last year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 02:45:29 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 05, 2024, 11:04:29 PMAnd relegated by Tyrone a few months prior to that.
Mayo resting 10 first choice players for the Monaghan game in round seven played as much a part if not more in Armagh's relegation last year.
Didn't help but we deserved to be relegated. Shouldn't have had to rely on other results.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 06, 2024, 03:47:12 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 02:45:29 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 05, 2024, 11:04:29 PMAnd relegated by Tyrone a few months prior to that.
Mayo resting 10 first choice players for the Monaghan game in round seven played as much a part if not more in Armagh's relegation last year.
Didn't help but we deserved to be relegated. Shouldn't have had to rely on other results.
That makes total sense... why would you blame another team for your own relegation.
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2024, 09:12:06 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 06, 2024, 03:47:12 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2024, 02:45:29 PMQuote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 05, 2024, 11:04:29 PMAnd relegated by Tyrone a few months prior to that.
Mayo resting 10 first choice players for the Monaghan game in round seven played as much a part if not more in Armagh's relegation last year.
Didn't help but we deserved to be relegated. Shouldn't have had to rely on other results.
That makes total sense... why would you blame another team for your own relegation.
Was unfortunate that Mayo had nothing to play for that day because Monaghan likely wouldn't have beat them otherwise but yeah it was in our hands- we blew enough tight games.
Derry folks, what's parking like around Celtic Park?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 13, 2024, 11:39:26 PMDerry folks, what's parking like around Celtic Park?
https://www.reddit.com/r/GAA/comments/1b3mk6w/parking_at_celtic_park/
Quote from: Rossfan on March 13, 2024, 11:39:26 PMDerry folks, what's parking like around Celtic Park?
Surprisingly haven't had any problems at any of our home matches this year, I find the foyle road/brandywell the best place, short walk and usually get away quickly as it's next to the old bridge and away
If you're heading for Letterkenny after?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 14, 2024, 10:53:11 AMIf you're heading for Letterkenny after?
Rossfan just out of interest if your a Roscommon supporter from Ballaghderreen hats your club?
Not from Ballagh myself, Western Gaels or Éire Óg the 2 adjoining Ros Co Board Clubs.
Allegedly some enrol their children in them to ensure they qualify for Ros.
Then there's the individual, rather well heeled, who always buys demo model cars in Mayo as a new one would mean a RN plate🙄. Sad...
Quote from: Rossfan on March 14, 2024, 10:53:11 AMIf you're heading for Letterkenny after?
Foyle Rd / brandywell still your best bet. You won't have any issues heading for Letterkenny. They'll be minimal traffic heading out that road.
Thanks lads.
Any chance ye could go easy on us as our need of 2 points is more pressing....
Interesting to see which Derry team will start v Mayo .... any word on the injuries to O Lynch, C Doherty and G McKinless also Mayo have used a lot of players so far will Paul Durkin be fit to play ?
Quote from: Real Talk on March 14, 2024, 04:05:25 PMInteresting to see which Derry team will start v Mayo .... any word on the injuries to O Lynch, C Doherty and G McKinless also Mayo have used a lot of players so far will Paul Durkin be fit to play ?
Paddy Durcan you mean? Has been talk that he would be back for this match.
Seen this posted elsewhere. Total panel used of the Division 1 teams in their five games.
Roscommon 31
Kerry 30
Monaghan 29
Mayo 29
Dublin 28
Tyrone 28
Derry 26
Galway 25
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 14, 2024, 04:55:22 PMQuote from: Real Talk on March 14, 2024, 04:05:25 PMInteresting to see which Derry team will start v Mayo .... any word on the injuries to O Lynch, C Doherty and G McKinless also Mayo have used a lot of players so far will Paul Durkin be fit to play ?
Paddy Durcan you mean? Has been talk that he would be back for this match.
Seen this posted elsewhere. Total panel used of the Division 1 teams in their five games.
Roscommon 31
Kerry 30
Monaghan 29
Mayo 29
Dublin 28
Tyrone 28
Derry 26
Galway 25
Any chance you have link for that? Would like to see other divisions as well? Cheers
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 14, 2024, 04:57:15 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 14, 2024, 04:55:22 PMQuote from: Real Talk on March 14, 2024, 04:05:25 PMInteresting to see which Derry team will start v Mayo .... any word on the injuries to O Lynch, C Doherty and G McKinless also Mayo have used a lot of players so far will Paul Durkin be fit to play ?
Paddy Durcan you mean? Has been talk that he would be back for this match.
Seen this posted elsewhere. Total panel used of the Division 1 teams in their five games.
Roscommon 31
Kerry 30
Monaghan 29
Mayo 29
Dublin 28
Tyrone 28
Derry 26
Galway 25
Any chance you have link for that? Would like to see other divisions as well? Cheers
Just Division 1 stats.
https://twitter.com/TsuDhoNim/status/1765326142209245664
Quote from: Rossfan on March 14, 2024, 03:57:32 PMThanks lads.
Any chance ye could go easy on us as our need of 2 points is more pressing....
I'd advise staying a night or two in Derry when your there.
A great city.
Just a day trip for me this time.
I know a few legends who are doing the Saturday night.......🍺🍻
Quote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2024, 10:54:32 AMJust a day trip for me this time.
I know a few legends who are doing the Saturday night.......🍺🍻
Great to hear. Always brilliant to see travelling fans after the games in the bars / restaurants.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 15, 2024, 11:00:38 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 15, 2024, 10:54:32 AMJust a day trip for me this time.
I know a few legends who are doing the Saturday night.......🍺🍻
Great to hear. Always brilliant to see travelling fans after the games in the bars / restaurants.
It really is. I love that about the GAA.
Half time in a wet Salthill. Galway 0-6 Dublin 0-10.
RTÉ stats
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Result Galway 0-14 Dublin 0-22. The Dubs looking good for another national title.
22 pts for Dublin in them conditions.
Not bad going
Dublin very very strong,alot of newer lads past few years, starting to put them hands up. There is nothing worse that having to deal with a confident Dublin team.
Derry / Mayo be looking at that, and be working out how to throw the mor'd game.
Heavy pitch Healy Park pitch Tyrone leading after 15 minutes 0-6 to 1-1.
Omagh must have the worst pitch in the North, (well Casement park aside) Tyrone off to a good start here.
Tyrone far more direct.
Monaghan hand passing around the 45.
Great goal by son of God
Monaghan very poor so far. Looking like a relegated team!
Monaghan lad was initially fouled before losing the ball.Great goal though.
Monaghan haven't a man marker any more like Dessie Mone.
Double bounce by young Canavan there I think.
Some talent.
Quote from: marty34 on March 16, 2024, 08:05:18 PMDouble bounce by young Canavan there I think.
Some talent.
he only had about 10 steps for one of his points too.
However, he's a serious player. On fire tonight - he'll do damage in the championship
Quote from: straightred on March 16, 2024, 08:06:50 PMQuote from: marty34 on March 16, 2024, 08:05:18 PMDouble bounce by young Canavan there I think.
Some talent.
he only had about 10 steps for one of his points too.
However, its a serious player. On fire tonight - he'll do damage in the championship
Yeah, on the dry sod, he'll be hard to worth with.
But a night and pitch like that suits his too. Good centre of gravity and a good skills set. He'll burn any defender.
Some decent football considering the conditions. Canavan and Dazzler have been very good. McShane well off the pace.
Some green shoots for Monaghan since the Tyrone goal. Now 5 points down.
Tyrone will need plenty of points in the second half to stay comfortable.
Half time Tyrone 1-11 Monaghan 1-6. Coming into this game Monaghan have been conceding 21 points per game average and can see why tonight.
Big gulf in class here.
Quote from: straightred on March 16, 2024, 08:06:50 PMQuote from: marty34 on March 16, 2024, 08:05:18 PMDouble bounce by young Canavan there I think.
Some talent.
he only had about 10 steps for one of his points too.
However, he's a serious player. On fire tonight - he'll do damage in the championship
At the best of times it's tough to mark Canavan. But when he's allowed up to ten steps in every play - your fighting a losing battle.
Lovely point by McShane.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 16, 2024, 08:03:48 PMMonaghan haven't a man marker any more like Dessie Mone.
O'toole has got some roastings this league campaign
50 minutes played Monaghan hanging in there. 1-15 to 1-10
Mohan continuing his one man mission to resurrect the Mullet
Foul there but not really a yellow, if he hit him full tilt, been a different matter.
very soft free there for canavan. He's good enough without getting help like that
Ref in Tyrone v Monaghan game is shocking. He has not allowed for conditions and any physical contact is punished with a free kick. The Omagh pitch is woeful too.
Monaghan goal, the great escape is on again!
game on now. The tyrone midfielders black is hurting them
More dogged than a old Meath team, never lie down, Tyrone should been outta sight.
That Monaghan goal makes for interesting finish.
The tackle on Canavan was a foul, not sure how people see different.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 16, 2024, 08:50:05 PMRef in Tyrone v Monaghan game is shocking. He has not allowed for conditions and any physical contact is punished with a free kick. The Omagh pitch is woeful too.
Monaghan goal, the great escape is on again!
thats another terrible decision for a tyrone pointed free
Hampsey's defending for that goal.... :o
Monaghan trying to walk the ball into the bck of the net.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 16, 2024, 08:50:26 PMMore dogged than a old Meath team, never lie down, Tyrone should been outta sight.
Aye, and just like Meath, they love an oul late tackle.
mc manus is in great shape. Some man to be playing a full game at his age on that pitch (and playing very well)
Hampsey getting cleaned out by McManus this half.
Some block there to stop a McManus goal. Tyrone with a slender two point lead.
Monaghan do habitually perform well in Healy Park.
Well he wouldn't be the first man to struggle on McManus
How O'Toole lasted on Canavan the whole game the biggest query I have about Vinnie Corey.
Good entertaining game.
What would have happened had o'toole scored or setup a goal whenever he hacked canavan and ended up being pulled retrospectively by the linesman?
Fair play to Monaghan. Some fight in them.
Tyrone gonna fcuk this up. McManus, what a footballer.
Another example of why the Mark needs to be done away with, surely an inter County forward should be sticking that over, embarrassed for him, not even a pressure kick it's only the league
Quote from: Brendan on March 16, 2024, 09:02:57 PMAnother example of why the Mark needs to be done away with, surely an inter County forward should be sticking that over, embarrassed for him, not even a pressure kick it's only the league
Bad miss alright, would be a certain amount of pressure to be fair when a one point game.
Sorta leaves the championship game not the forgone conclusion some Tyrone posters thought.
Brilliant Dazzler
FT Tyrone 1-19 Monaghan 2-13. That win should keep Tyrone up. Monaghan down and go down fighting.
they're finally relegated. Monaghan have easily won that in the end. Tyrone have a few class forwards but not a whole lot else.
Great entertainment considering the conditions
100% from both sides.
Heroic stuff from Monaghan, they went down fighting. That was a great game given the conditions.
Brilliant game, Niall Morgan best player on field.
Both teams were flat out at the end but Tyrone were that bit more more clinical when it was required.
I'll look forward to a rematch should Monaghan get past Cavan. McManus looks even sharper than last year and the return of Mohan adds much needed gravitas, just waiting now on O'Hanlon to get fit.
Didn't see it mentioned before and apologies if I missed it, but fair play to Niall Devlin for even being there today after the week he's had. Hats off.
Good to see Mattie Donnelly back, I thought he was finished tbh, hasn't had much luck with injuries.
Enda Smiths hairline has made an outrageous comeback
How is Aidan O'Shea still on the pitch?? Shocking.
Quote from: Wolfetones on March 17, 2024, 04:01:36 PMHow is Aidan O'Shea still on the pitch?? Shocking.
Referee didn't even speak to him.
Mayo were doing rightly, until they kicked the ball out to a Derry man. It shows the value of pushing up.
Derry ahead but should had another 1.04, some easy misses, Mayo missed a few too,and a mess up for the goal chance. Thought he was brought to ground but no free.Glass bad habit of fisting all the time instead of taking the odd catch.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 17, 2024, 04:36:26 PMDerry ahead but should had another 1.04, some easy misses, Mayo missed a few too,and a mess up for the goal chance. Thought he was brought to ground but no free.Glass bad habit of fisting all the time instead of taking the odd catch.
Was getting frustrated that we were going for goal every time and messing it up but it's paid off now
Actually a strong breeze down here, with Mayo in the 2nd half.
How can Derry be so much more tactically astute versus Mayo.
it is embarrassing. Now I know that Derry have five or six footballers who are better man for man, but Mayo absolutely woeful. I think Only one forward kicked a point from play in the first half, same in second half
Getting a bit scrappy now'
2 awful efforts there, we badly need a couple of forwards.
This is a farce the Mayo keeper has had an age for his kickouts!!!
Lynch too slow but u right, the Mayo keeper doing the same
Referee making it up as he goes along!
Don't know how he gave a free against Mc Kaigue there. He picked the ball up and stumbled to the ground.
Ref then blew it for a Mayo free.
Finished well after collapsing for 10mins there!
Roll on the Dubs in Croker!! 😳
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 17, 2024, 05:14:49 PMLynch too slow but u right, the Mayo keeper doing the same
I never seen a referee blow up a keeper, whose team is behind, for taking too much time.
We stepped it up when we needed to. Hard to do when you've switched off. Some great defending to keep Mayo at bay towards the end.
Derry has a great range of scorers now. Plenty of lads getting on the score sheet. Doesn't matter who as long as they go over the bar.
Although some of the shooting was very poor. Need to work on basic kicking the ball over ghe ba from 40 yards. All senior teams need to do this. Happens so often.
Quote from: marty34 on March 17, 2024, 05:47:36 PMDerry has a great range of scorers now. Plenty of lads getting on the score sheet. Doesn't matter who as long as they go over the bar.
Although some of the shooting was very poor. Need to work on basic kicking the ball over ghe ba from 40 yards. All senior teams need to do this. Happens so often.
We need a right footed free taker!
Quote from: marty34 on March 17, 2024, 05:47:36 PMDerry has a great range of scorers now. Plenty of lads getting on the score sheet. Doesn't matter who as long as they go over the bar.
Although some of the shooting was very poor. Need to work on basic kicking the ball over ghe ba from 40 yards. All senior teams need to do this. Happens so often.
Loads of those lads won't be scoring in the heat the championship against the likes of the Dubs
I think this season in D1 was weird so far. Apart from Derry nobody else seemed very interested. The Dubs lost their first 2 matches, Kerry also lost 2 . Monaghan and Roscommon have other priorities. D1 has no jeopardy. The only priority for the others seemed to be retaining their status. Is there any point in having a D1 final?
How did Roscommon and Monaghan have other priorities? Monaghan started off flying and then fell apart.
Quote from: seafoid on March 17, 2024, 06:24:34 PMI think this season in D1 was weird so far. Apart from Derry nobody else seemed very interested. The Dubs lost their first 2 matches, Kerry also lost 2 . Monaghan and Roscommon have other priorities. D1 has no jeopardy. The only priority for the others seemed to be retaining their status. Is there any point in having a D1 final?
So you aren't interested if you lose? Can't think of many games were any of the sides you mentioned took it easy. I don't think it is weird, the two best sides will meet in the league final. The team that got hammered 3 times has been relegated and everyone else is in-between
Kerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
Tyrone were the same last year. What is a league title worth these days ? Nobody will remember it in July. The league is more like pre season . It's the new FBD League or whatever you are having yourself.
Didn't go too well for Tyrone who had a shite year all round last yeat bar beating. us
Galway and Tyrone not really getting wake up calls to me. Both are missing half a side with Galway missing 7 or 8 of their best players. Tyrone missing similar amount of players with young players in their debut season so hardly expecting to beat teams like Kerry Derry and Dublin who have been on the road for a number of years. Galway with all their players available would take a good side to beat them
I think they have both realised that unless they get the finger out they are both going to be poor. Winning it doesn't really matter sf. It never has. Most teams take it seriously though some peak earlier than others.
Hard to read much out of the Derry v Mayo match if it was a championship match between the two no chance would both have defended so poorly. Derry probably should rest players for round 7 before the final now and It should be Dublin they'll play in that final.
Kerry are off to Portugal a few days after the round 7 match and unlikely to be going all out against Galway. Monaghan went down fighting has been some ten years for them, Roscommon will join them in Div 2 the opening round games v Tyrone,Galway and only picking up one point proved costly for them.
Quote from: gallsman on March 17, 2024, 05:55:40 PMQuote from: marty34 on March 17, 2024, 05:47:36 PMDerry has a great range of scorers now. Plenty of lads getting on the score sheet. Doesn't matter who as long as they go over the bar.
Although some of the shooting was very poor. Need to work on basic kicking the ball over ghe ba from 40 yards. All senior teams need to do this. Happens so often.
Loads of those lads won't be scoring in the heat the championship against the likes of the Dubs
Just the Dubs, as they have against Kerry in the heat of championship. Who knows, as this incarnation of Derry hasn't played the Dubs in the championship yet.
Quote from: gallsman on March 17, 2024, 05:55:40 PMQuote from: marty34 on March 17, 2024, 05:47:36 PMDerry has a great range of scorers now. Plenty of lads getting on the score sheet. Doesn't matter who as long as they go over the bar.
Although some of the shooting was very poor. Need to work on basic kicking the ball over ghe ba from 40 yards. All senior teams need to do this. Happens so often.
Loads of those lads won't be scoring in the heat the championship against the likes of the Dubs
Which player's?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 17, 2024, 05:07:25 PM2 awful efforts there, we badly need a couple of forwards.
Couple of really poor misses in a row did help mayo get back into it, but in their defence, the wind seemed to pick up massively against Derry around then.
Agree, a few decisions ref decisions in a row from blowing lynch for time wasting (13 secs from he put the tee down - which blew backwards in the wind - until the whistle was blown), then tackles on glass and mckaigue which were deemed fair game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
There are 8 teams in Div 1
Kerry and Dublin make 2
Tyrone and Galway "got wake up calls"
Roscommon and Monaghan didn't "take it seriously"
"the rest" = Mayo and Derry !
the all ireland will probably be a bit underwhelming to the knockout stages
Quote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 05:45:28 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
There are 8 teams in Div 1
Kerry and Dublin make 2
Tyrone and Galway "got wake up calls"
Roscommon and Monaghan didn't "take it seriously"
"the rest" = Mayo and Derry !
Teams getting beat doesn't mean they're not taking it seriously.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 18, 2024, 08:05:43 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 05:45:28 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
There are 8 teams in Div 1
Kerry and Dublin make 2
Tyrone and Galway "got wake up calls"
Roscommon and Monaghan didn't "take it seriously"
"the rest" = Mayo and Derry !
Teams getting beat doesn't mean they're not taking it seriously.
Monaghan looked to be taking it fairly seriously on Saturday evening.
Davy Burke is thinking ahead
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1769413387094458851
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 18, 2024, 08:05:43 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 05:45:28 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
There are 8 teams in Div 1
Kerry and Dublin make 2
Tyrone and Galway "got wake up calls"
Roscommon and Monaghan didn't "take it seriously"
"the rest" = Mayo and Derry !
Teams getting beat doesn't mean they're not taking it seriously.
Roscommon used 31 players. I wonder how many other teams did.
Think I'd have Derry above Kerry in the current pecking order. Hope they front up for the Dubs in any league final tho, if they bend the knee again they'll get also get humped in the AI when it really matters imo.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 18, 2024, 08:46:24 AMThink I'd have Derry above Kerry in the current pecking order. Hope they front up for the Dubs in any league final tho, if they bend the knee again they'll get also get humped in the AI when it really matters imo.
If Derry bend the knee again to Dublin then big doubts will persist over their mentality in the big games.
Some people will say it's only the League but if Derry could win it then it might help elevate them to the next level and give them the self belief needed to go on and challenge for an All Ireland title.
Apart from Derry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csOxNkg23gw&t=750s
everyone is holding something backhttps://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1752067298364727732
It's not Dublin, they everybodys problem not just Derry. I think Derry people can see we short 1/2 consistent scoring forwards, rest of the team improved with cover at Defence and Midfield. Even with Paudie Tad and Paul McNeill not here this year, the sub bench looks stronger. Had we Canavan beside McGuigan we been in some position.
Quote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 08:46:13 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 18, 2024, 08:05:43 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 05:45:28 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
There are 8 teams in Div 1
Kerry and Dublin make 2
Tyrone and Galway "got wake up calls"
Roscommon and Monaghan didn't "take it seriously"
"the rest" = Mayo and Derry !
Teams getting beat doesn't mean they're not taking it seriously.
Roscommon used 31 players. I wonder how many other teams did.
https://twitter.com/TsuDhoNim/status/1769495671105568768 (https://twitter.com/TsuDhoNim/status/1769495671105568768)
Roscommon not too different to other counties in Division 1
Quote from: cornerback on March 18, 2024, 11:54:05 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 08:46:13 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 18, 2024, 08:05:43 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 05:45:28 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 17, 2024, 07:03:59 PMKerry and Dublin are the only two with the depth who can pull themselves out of any hole they may find themselves in. The rest take it seriously enough. The likes of Tyrone and maybe Galway have got wake up calls in the league. Tyrone will be better for it but Galway need to keep players like comer and Walsh fit to be all the better for it. A final in it is no big deal though.
There are 8 teams in Div 1
Kerry and Dublin make 2
Tyrone and Galway "got wake up calls"
Roscommon and Monaghan didn't "take it seriously"
"the rest" = Mayo and Derry !
Teams getting beat doesn't mean they're not taking it seriously.
Roscommon used 31 players. I wonder how many other teams did.
https://twitter.com/TsuDhoNim/status/1769495671105568768 (https://twitter.com/TsuDhoNim/status/1769495671105568768)
Roscommon not too different to other counties in Division 1
Cheers
We need a win next week and hope Kerry don't lose too much interest and beat Galway.
In reality we're gone so farewell for possibly a few years....
A Dublin Derry Final almost a certainty now.
Quote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 08:44:10 AMDavy Burke is thinking ahead
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1769413387094458851
Could be making plans without this guy
https://x.com/adammoynihan/status/1769697212177543538?s=46&t=maoZuH2SCkHpAnMwceovaQ
Derry field a line out similar to the Dublin game, against Roscommon.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 18, 2024, 12:33:30 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 08:44:10 AMDavy Burke is thinking ahead
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1769413387094458851
Could be making plans without this guy
https://x.com/adammoynihan/status/1769697212177543538?s=46&t=maoZuH2SCkHpAnMwceovaQ
Would be great if the GAA would ban that sc**bag Cathal Heneghan for the rest of the championship which he deserves for such a dangerous and cowardly act, but we know he'll miss no game of consequence.
That's nasty looking alright. No doubt bout intent there.
That's what Jarlath Burns' legacy should be as President.
Stamping, if you pardon the pun, out stuff like this and clean up the game.
Disclipline, or lack of it, is a serious issue with incidents like this and lads assaulting refs in club games etc.
Definitely doesn't look great. Only he can answer whether there was intent but if it was deliberate then he deserves a 12 week ban.
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2024, 03:00:12 PMThat's what Jarlath Burns' legacy should be as President.
Stamping, if you pardon the pun, on stuff like this and clean up the game.
Disclipline, or lack of it, is a serious issue with incidents like this and lads assaulting refs in club games etc.
Is it though? I think the game has never been saner, it's become almost a non contact sport where lads are getting yellow cards for personal fouls.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 03:01:30 PMDefinitely doesn't look great. Only he can answer whether there was intent but if it was deliberate then he deserves a 12 week ban.
For intent is carries a two match ban. League and championship connected now so if banned he'd miss the Derry match next Sunday and championship opener v Mayo.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 18, 2024, 03:23:28 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 03:01:30 PMDefinitely doesn't look great. Only he can answer whether there was intent but if it was deliberate then he deserves a 12 week ban.
For intent is carries a two match ban. League and championship connected now so if banned he'd miss the Derry match next Sunday and championship opener v Mayo.
For an incident like that, if it is deliberate then 2 matches is nowhere near enough. The difficulty will be trying to prove it was deliberate. The player could easily claim it was accidental, only he can answer that.
Quote from: seafoid on March 18, 2024, 08:44:10 AMDavy Burke is thinking ahead
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1769413387094458851
Thought it was a candid and insightful interview compared to some of the nonsense that is dished out by county managers.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 18, 2024, 11:27:22 AMIt's not Dublin, they everybodys problem not just Derry. I think Derry people can see we short 1/2 consistent scoring forwards, rest of the team improved with cover at Defence and Midfield. Even with Paudie Tad and Paul McNeill not tere this year, the sub bench looks stronger. Had we Canavan beside McGuigan we been in some position.
It's been a strange league with a lot of shadow boxing at different stages. It's probably difficult to properly assess where everyone is at. Also nobody needs to peak until the middle/end of May really so a lot can change between now and then.
I think we're stronger than last year but so are Armagh and Donegal.
Mayo/Galway/Monaghan/Ros look to have regressed a bit and Kerry/Tyrone around the same level.
I don't think any of us will challenge the Dubs come championship though.
The difference is most teams have either 1 or 2 good scoring forwards, Kerry have 3 but ain't great at Midfield, Dublin got 5/6 plus Fenton from Midfield, that's why they do hard to stop, too many scoring forwards.
Quote from: screenexile on March 18, 2024, 05:18:18 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 18, 2024, 11:27:22 AMIt's not Dublin, they everybodys problem not just Derry. I think Derry people can see we short 1/2 consistent scoring forwards, rest of the team improved with cover at Defence and Midfield. Even with Paudie Tad and Paul McNeill not tere this year, the sub bench looks stronger. Had we Canavan beside McGuigan we been in some position.
It's been a strange league with a lot of shadow boxing at different stages. It's probably difficult to properly assess where everyone is at. Also nobody needs to peak until the middle/end of May really so a lot can change between now and then.
I think we're stronger than last year but so are Armagh and Donegal.
Mayo/Galway/Monaghan/Ros look to have regressed a bit and Kerry/Tyrone around the same level.
I don't think any of us will challenge the Dubs come championship though.
I wouldn't underestimate the Rossies. They are going to aim to go further than last year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0&t=179s
Like a dog lying in a corner
They'll bite you and never warn you.
Look out.
They'll tear your insides out
Quote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 03:27:06 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 18, 2024, 03:23:28 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 18, 2024, 03:01:30 PMDefinitely doesn't look great. Only he can answer whether there was intent but if it was deliberate then he deserves a 12 week ban.
For intent is carries a two match ban. League and championship connected now so if banned he'd miss the Derry match next Sunday and championship opener v Mayo.
For an incident like that, if it is deliberate then 2 matches is nowhere near enough. The difficulty will be trying to prove it was deliberate. The player could easily claim it was accidental, only he can answer that.
If that's accidental you put your hands up and turn around and check if the lads alright. No way he didn't realise he did it.
Kerry v Galway the TG4 live game this Sunday and with all other matches on at the same time they'll be doing live updates from the other Division 1 games.
Listened to RTE's podcast there how can they get it so wrong? The whole point of a podcast is the fact you aren't as inhibited with time as you would be on the radio or TV yet RTE have 35 mins devoted to a full weekend of 16 games and only talked about 4 of them!!
Surely they have to decouple football from Hurling so they can spend more time talking about games. There are enough podcasts out there that they should see what is good content and realise their own is dross!!
Typical RTÉ!
Quote from: screenexile on March 19, 2024, 11:19:34 PMListened to RTE's podcast there how can they get it so wrong? The whole point of a podcast is the fact you aren't as inhibited with time as you would be on the radio or TV yet RTE have 35 mins devoted to a full weekend of 16 games and only talked about 4 of them!!
Surely they have to decouple football from Hurling so they can spend more time talking about games. There are enough podcasts out there that they should see what is good content and realise their own is dross!!
Typical RTÉ!
That clown McCluskey from Fermanagh predicted wins for Fermanagh & Cavan at the weekend.... just the combined 39 points defeat....
And don't get me started on Staunton on TSG... Her playing career is unbelievable, but has the personality & voice that would put it on mute.
Quote from: screenexile on March 19, 2024, 11:19:34 PMListened to RTE's podcast there how can they get it so wrong? The whole point of a podcast is the fact you aren't as inhibited with time as you would be on the radio or TV yet RTE have 35 mins devoted to a full weekend of 16 games and only talked about 4 of them!!
Surely they have to decouple football from Hurling so they can spend more time talking about games. There are enough podcasts out there that they should see what is good content and realise their own is dross!!
Typical RTÉ!
Derry got a lot of exposure on previous podcasts. Ireland has 32 counties.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2024, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: screenexile on March 19, 2024, 11:19:34 PMListened to RTE's podcast there how can they get it so wrong? The whole point of a podcast is the fact you aren't as inhibited with time as you would be on the radio or TV yet RTE have 35 mins devoted to a full weekend of 16 games and only talked about 4 of them!!
Surely they have to decouple football from Hurling so they can spend more time talking about games. There are enough podcasts out there that they should see what is good content and realise their own is dross!!
Typical RTÉ!
That clown McCluskey from Fermanagh predicted wins for Fermanagh & Cavan at the weekend.... just the combined 39 points defeat....
And don't get me started on Staunton on TSG... Her playing career is unbelievable, but has the personality & voice that would put it on mute.
In fairness no one saw there being a whole pile between Fermanagh and Louth with Louth probably slight favourites. Didn't see anyone in the media predict Cavan to beat us but consensus was Armagh by 4/5 points not the total hammering thag it was.
From Stephen O'Meara (The Square D)
There was potentially the beginnings of a seismic shift in the landscape of inter-county football on the weekend.
A completely different style of game by David Clifford resulted in previously unparalleled stats by him . Five points from play and two assists with only one wide!
(unparalleled of the games I've logged, and excluding where teams have defended man-on-man)
These are stats more normal for Con O'Callaghan than Clifford who's scores are, on average, more counter-balanced with high numbers of missed shots and turnovers. If this becomes his new norm, the balance of Gaelic football is about to change!
Maybe it's just that we have a poor defence?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 21, 2024, 07:07:57 AMFrom Stephen O'Meara (The Square D)
There was potentially the beginnings of a seismic shift in the landscape of inter-county football on the weekend.
A completely different style of game by David Clifford resulted in previously unparalleled stats by him . Five points from play and two assists with only one wide!
(unparalleled of the games I've logged, and excluding where teams have defended man-on-man)
These are stats more normal for Con O'Callaghan than Clifford who's scores are, on average, more counter-balanced with high numbers of missed shots and turnovers. If this becomes his new norm, the balance of Gaelic football is about to change!
A touch hyperbolic... it's one game. Also 5 points is about normal for him surely.
5 points be a quiet day for Clifford I'd have thought.
probably talking about his conversion rate?
O'Meara often touches on Clifford's conversion rate which is very up and down compared to other top forwards but he is careful not to criticise him too much.
Only a 1 match ban for Cathal Heneghan, FFS
The lynch mob will be disappointed.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 21, 2024, 10:33:47 AMOnly a 1 match ban for Cathal Heneghan, FFS
Any truth in the rumour that his appeal has been pre-approved to save everyone the bother?
Yet more jokeshop stuff from the powers-that-be as regards foul play.
He still got a ban. There's intentional stamps from the more illustrious counties that went unpunished nor had the same kind of media pile on. Perhaps a few more retroactive bans are in order.
Same oul story...hit the small Counties.
did he deserve a ban or not
GAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
what reason did they give?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
But, and be honest, did you think it was deliberate?
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
what reason did they give?
A stamp carries a two match suspension. He's got a one match ban for "behaving in a way dangerous to an opponent'
Quote from: JoG2 on March 21, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
But, and be honest, did you think it was deliberate?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 21, 2024, 06:41:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
what reason did they give?
A stamp carries a two match suspension. He's got a one match ban for "behaving in a way dangerous to an opponent'
Easier than saying it was deliberate and having to prove it. Can't argue he didn't act in a dangerous way to an opponent
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 10:12:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 21, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
But, and be honest, did you think it was deliberate?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 21, 2024, 06:41:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
what reason did they give?
A stamp carries a two match suspension. He's got a one match ban for "behaving in a way dangerous to an opponent'
Easier than saying it was deliberate and having to prove it. Can't argue he didn't act in a dangerous way to an opponent
So, if not deliberate, an accidental act that was dangerous to an opponent? Usually an accidental slap, stamp etc would result in an acknowledgement of some kind.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 21, 2024, 10:48:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 10:12:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 21, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
But, and be honest, did you think it was deliberate?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 21, 2024, 06:41:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
what reason did they give?
A stamp carries a two match suspension. He's got a one match ban for "behaving in a way dangerous to an opponent'
Easier than saying it was deliberate and having to prove it. Can't argue he didn't act in a dangerous way to an opponent
So, if not deliberate, an accidental act that was dangerous to an opponent? Usually an accidental slap, stamp etc would result in an acknowledgement of some kind.
Yeah I don't know about you but if I was to accidentally stand on someone first thing I'd do is stop and hold the hands up. Definitely looks like he knew what he was at.
I haven't seen the incident, but there can often be a lot of daylight between what a person in the crowd, or tv viewer (partisan or non-partisan), can plainly see, and what can be proven. Sometimes best to go with the lesser, but more easily justified, punishment.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 21, 2024, 10:48:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 10:12:12 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 21, 2024, 03:13:31 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
But, and be honest, did you think it was deliberate?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 21, 2024, 06:41:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 21, 2024, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 12:50:58 PMGAA say they couldn't prove it was deliberate so why any ban then?
what reason did they give?
A stamp carries a two match suspension. He's got a one match ban for "behaving in a way dangerous to an opponent'
Easier than saying it was deliberate and having to prove it. Can't argue he didn't act in a dangerous way to an opponent
So, if not deliberate, an accidental act that was dangerous to an opponent? Usually an accidental slap, stamp etc would result in an acknowledgement of some kind.
It looked deliberate to me though only the guy himself will know. Just trying to get my head round the GAA's thought process
I don't think anyone genuinely thinks it wasn't deliberate. But proving that is the issue.
Was a nasty act, he got his ban, time to move on. Won't be the last deliberate/ not deliberate discussion this year.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Quote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Not even a two match ban - he only got a one match ban.
Meanwhile the "positive" news on Foley is that he won't miss the entire season but will be out for a good stretch.
"It's unlikely he'll take any part in the Munster Championship this year but after that, we'd be hopeful enough that he'll see some action," said Kerry selector Diarmuid Murphy.
That's at least 3 games he will miss for Kerry (and possibly more)
Yet another in the long list of GAA "justice" cases where the guilty person serves less time than the innocent party.
Quote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Had this been a Tyrone player there would have been a witch hunt all week, trial by social media, and a very very lengthy ban.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 22, 2024, 11:26:55 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Not even a two match ban - he only got a one match ban.
Meanwhile the "positive" news on Foley is that he won't miss the entire season but will be out for a good stretch.
"It's unlikely he'll take any part in the Munster Championship this year but after that, we'd be hopeful enough that he'll see some action," said Kerry selector Diarmuid Murphy.
That's at least 3 games he will miss for Kerry (and possibly more)
Yet another in the long list of GAA "justice" cases where the guilty person serves less time than the innocent party.
It's rare (if ever) you'd hear of a stamp put anyone out for that long. Shows you how much force was in it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 22, 2024, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on March 22, 2024, 11:26:55 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Not even a two match ban - he only got a one match ban.
Meanwhile the "positive" news on Foley is that he won't miss the entire season but will be out for a good stretch.
"It's unlikely he'll take any part in the Munster Championship this year but after that, we'd be hopeful enough that he'll see some action," said Kerry selector Diarmuid Murphy.
That's at least 3 games he will miss for Kerry (and possibly more)
Yet another in the long list of GAA "justice" cases where the guilty person serves less time than the innocent party.
It's rare (if ever) you'd hear of a stamp put anyone out for that long. Shows you how much force was in it.
Was it the stamp? He didnt go off until a bit later
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 22, 2024, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on March 22, 2024, 11:26:55 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Not even a two match ban - he only got a one match ban.
Meanwhile the "positive" news on Foley is that he won't miss the entire season but will be out for a good stretch.
"It's unlikely he'll take any part in the Munster Championship this year but after that, we'd be hopeful enough that he'll see some action," said Kerry selector Diarmuid Murphy.
That's at least 3 games he will miss for Kerry (and possibly more)
Yet another in the long list of GAA "justice" cases where the guilty person serves less time than the innocent party.
It's rare (if ever) you'd hear of a stamp put anyone out for that long. Shows you how much force was in it.
The injury did not happen from the stamp. It happened when he was jumping for a ball afterwards with Nial Daly and landed awkwardly. Perhaps the stamp had weakened foot, but so much reporting - and posts on this board- act like the injury happened then. He was actually treated for a head injury in the goalmouth incident as he took a bad fall trying to prevent the goal. I wish him a speedy recovery.
Quote from: God14 on March 22, 2024, 11:47:34 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Had this been a Tyrone player there would have been a witch hunt all week, trial by social media, and a very very lengthy ban.
Rescinded on appeal
Quote from: JoG2 on March 22, 2024, 11:55:26 AMQuote from: God14 on March 22, 2024, 11:47:34 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Had this been a Tyrone player there would have been a witch hunt all week, trial by social media, and a very very lengthy ban.
Rescinded on appeal
LOL your coach or assistant manager actually served 12 weeks for an almost identical incident when he stamped on Colm Parinsons back
Quote from: God14 on March 22, 2024, 11:59:17 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 22, 2024, 11:55:26 AMQuote from: God14 on March 22, 2024, 11:47:34 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Had this been a Tyrone player there would have been a witch hunt all week, trial by social media, and a very very lengthy ban.
Rescinded on appeal
LOL your coach or assistant manager actually served 12 weeks for an almost identical incident when he stamped on Colm Parinsons back
Didn't stamp hard enough
Joking
Quote from: God14 on March 22, 2024, 11:47:34 AMQuote from: Silver hill on March 22, 2024, 10:28:26 AMQuote from: Rossfan on March 21, 2024, 11:31:26 AMSame oul story...hit the small Counties.
Wise up and get the blinkers off. He changed his body posture to deliberately stamp on his opponent. Very lucky to only get a 2 match ban.
Take your oil and move on.
Had this been a Tyrone player there would have been a witch hunt all week, trial by social media, and a very very lengthy ban.
To be fair this was all over social media this week and was started/highlighted by a Kerry journalist on twitter.
Nothing against either county but the lad looked down before putting his foot down. Can't understand how even Roscommon lads can argue that it was accidental.Had he been a Tyrone man, we be going to town on him here.
1 game ban for an ankle stamp a joke, years ago,you got 2 months for it. I remember getting 2 months for a sliding tackle one time.
The idea that Derry would rest players with next weeks league final in view has proved to be wide off the mark.
Team to play Roscommon on Sunday. Just one change with Toner coming in for the injured N Loughlin
O Lynch;
C McCluskey, C McKaigue, D Baker;
G McKinless, E McEvoy, P McGrogan;
C Glass, B Rogers;
E Doherty, C McFaul, P Cassidy;
N Toner, S McGuigan, L Murray.
Subs - R Scullion,D Cassidy,Conor Doherty,M Doherty,M Downey,S Downey,D Gilmore,Conleth McGuckian,C McMonagle,E Mulholland,C Murphy
I wait see the team before kickoff, can't see Derry field that, E Bradley Injured? D Higgins sorta dropped off after a decent showing against Armagh in the McKenna cup?I like to see a few lads from the Dublin game get a run out again, we need as many as possible exposed to this level of football for later in the year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2024, 08:57:11 PMI wait see the team before kickoff, can't see Derry field that, E Bradley Injured? D Higgins sorta dropped off after a decent showing against Armagh in the McKenna cup?I like to see a few lads from the Dublin game get a run out again, we need as many as possible exposed to this level of football for later in the year.
Why would he be messing with the team selection before a meaningless game (for Derry)
I agree,can see a few changes before throw in on sunday
I would be amazed if the team lines out like that on Sunday. Not too often Mickey names a team this early and if he does it's usually not the team that will be playing!
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2024, 09:10:46 PMI would be amazed if the team lines out like that on Sunday. Not too often Mickey names a team this early and if he does it's usually not the team that will be playing!
Yeah totally agree with you there
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2024, 08:57:11 PMI wait see the team before kickoff, can't see Derry field that, E Bradley Injured? D Higgins sorta dropped off after a decent showing against Armagh in the McKenna cup?I like to see a few lads from the Dublin game get a run out again, we need as many as possible exposed to this level of football for later in the year.
Kickoff????? 😧🫣🫣
Quote from: screenexile on March 22, 2024, 09:10:46 PMI would be amazed if the team lines out like that on Sunday. Not too often Mickey names a team this early and if he does it's usually not the team that will be playing!
Main talk from Harte after the win over Mayo was making sure to get at least a point from this game to secure a final spot. Resting of players was already done against Dublin in round 5 for this scenario in mind it seems.
The Clifford brothers not named to start against Galway, Jack O'Connor has looked at the table and knows it will be a Derry v Dublin final.
Why they need a point, they like +16 against Kerry point Difference. And Galway need win.
When Dublin won 40 odd games straight, and 4 league and All-Irelands in the same corresponding years, nobody was saying Dublin aren't taking the league seriously.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2024, 10:11:57 PMWhy they need a point, they like +16 against Kerry point Difference. And Galway need win.
Can lose and still stay up and if they do that point earned in Hyde Park will prove to be a vital one.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2024, 08:57:11 PMI wait see the team before kickoff, can't see Derry field that, E Bradley Injured? D Higgins sorta dropped off after a decent showing against Armagh in the McKenna cup?I like to see a few lads from the Dublin game get a run out again, we need as many as possible exposed to this level of football for later in the year.
Exactly what I was thinking too.
How often does Harte start with the named team.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2024, 10:11:57 PMWhy they need a point, they like +16 against Kerry point Difference. And Galway need win.
Depends on Rossie result
Time to start hitting the long road North to get this Division 1 stuff out of the way.
Ah sure it's only th'oul League....
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2024, 08:45:28 AMTime to start hitting the long road North to get this Division 1 stuff out of the way.
Ah sure it's only th'oul League....
Good man, the sun is shining atm. That could change in 30 seconds!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 22, 2024, 10:21:39 PMWhen Dublin won 40 odd games straight, and 4 league and All-Irelands in the same corresponding years, nobody was saying Dublin aren't taking the league seriously.
That was before the round robins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csOxNkg23gw&t=750s
Trip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Today is Dublin's last competitive match until the round robin starts
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 10:56:06 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Today is Dublin's last competitive match until the round robin starts
Indeed! ;D
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 10:56:06 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Today is Dublin's last competitive match until the round robin starts
Will Derry not want to win the league?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 11:22:50 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 10:56:06 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Today is Dublin's last competitive match until the round robin starts
Will Derry not want to win the league?
Nobody seems to want to win the league any more.
Mickey Harte absolutely wants to win it!
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 12:54:51 PMMickey Harte absolutely wants to win it!
Agree - Tyrone won their first NFL in Mickey's first year in charge, 2002, which was proceeded by winning Sam the next year...
Derry 4 changes from the team sheet released.
Gilmore, Cassidy, CD, Conleth McGuckin all in.
Toner Rogers McFaul McGrogan drop to the bench.
Lynch won't want to watch that goal back tonight 🤦🏼�♂️
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Tyrone can still make the final.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2024, 02:10:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Tyrone can still make the final.
Didn't know that.. wud have needed some combination of bizzarre results for that to happen
Half time
Derry 1-8 Roscommon 1-5
Kerry 0-8 Galway 0-5
Dublin 2-11 Tyrone 0-6
Monaghan 0-8 Mayo 1-4
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2024, 02:10:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Tyrone can still make the final.
Derry have been very average that half we seem disjointed and losing the ball too easily in transition, Roscommon could have had 2 or 3 goals themselves.
I think if we get another goal and don't concede straight away their heads could drop but the longer they stay in it they'll fancy it. A draw would have been fair at HT.
Gough bottled as clear a black card as you'll ever see!
Are we all codding ourselves getting excited about this years All-Ireland?
The Dubs look like they could win it in 2nd gear on the last few weeks evidence.
The Tyrone game is a massacre. The GAA have created a monster.
Kerry have delayed every single Galway free today, sometimes twice! Pretty cynical stuff.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 03:07:07 PMThe Tyrone game is a massacre. The GAA have created a monster.
A successful Dublin teams pays the bills for headquarters and that's all that matters
Very strong 2nd half showing for Derry to win 2-19 to 1-9. Roscommon relegated. Galway beaten by Kerry 0-15 to 1-10 their point earned in Hyde Park have proved very important.
Other result
Dublin 5-18 Tyrone 0-12
Mayo 2-13 Monaghan 1-14
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 02:21:12 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2024, 02:10:09 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Tyrone can still make the final.
Didn't know that.. wud have needed some combination of bizzarre results for that to happen
Gotta be honest. I can't see it happening now......
Need kerry to lose to Galway in Killarney and also for us to hammer Dublin (currently down by....checks notes.... 20).
Refs under the spotlight a lot at the minute but there was an incident about 10 mins ago in the Kerry-Galway game that really stood out to me. Galway midfielder charging through on the receiving end of as blatant a push in the back as you could ever see. Impossible for the umpires to have missed it. Resulting turnover sends the ball up the other end of the pitch and an identical push in the back results in a handy Kerry free. Two point swing just like that.
Quote from: Brendan on March 24, 2024, 03:18:51 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 03:07:07 PMThe Tyrone game is a massacre. The GAA have created a monster.
A successful Dublin teams pays the bills for headquarters and that's all that matters
It's business, not sport
Nothing was done during the six in a row. Dublin are not going to fix the problem.
Roscommon join Monaghan in the basement. They will probably
a) both feature in the all Ireland qf
b) both be promoted next year
the league now is just shadow boxing
and yet we are told that Armagh have the "best squad depth in the country at the minute"
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 24, 2024, 03:31:04 PMand yet we are told that Armagh have the "best squad depth in the country at the minute"
Compared to Dublin?? Who the f**k said that?!
Dublin have half an All Ireland team to come back in FFS!
Quote from: Brendan on March 24, 2024, 03:18:51 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 03:07:07 PMThe Tyrone game is a massacre. The GAA have created a monster.
A successful Dublin teams pays the bills for headquarters and that's all that matters
Did you think that through?
Dublin's fans went to games regardless of whether they were successful. Every game under Pillar seemed to sell out, and we never even got to a final.
All Ireland Semis and final would sell out without the Dubs. A Leinster final without the Dubs would unquestionably sell more tickets than a final with the Dubs.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 03:27:31 PMRoscommon join Monaghan in the basement. They will probably
a) both feature in the all Ireland qf
b) both be promoted next year
the league now is just shadow boxing
I'm not so sure on that; Down and Cork will fancy their chances of promotion next year aswell as both of those.
Looking at that Cork team yesterday they have the makings of a very good side; impressive midfield with plenty of scoring options an plenty of pace.
If only they can get their act together.
Football needs a strong Cork.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 24, 2024, 03:31:04 PMand yet we are told that Armagh have the "best squad depth in the country at the minute"
What don't you post under your Cavan name instead of using this fake Dub nonsense?
Every post having a go at either Monaghan or Armagh, and you feel the need to use this moniker when the whole board knows you are not a Dub. Weird.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 24, 2024, 03:41:45 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 03:27:31 PMRoscommon join Monaghan in the basement. They will probably
a) both feature in the all Ireland qf
b) both be promoted next year
the league now is just shadow boxing
I'm not so sure on that; Down and Cork will fancy their chances of promotion next year aswell as both of those.
Looking at that Cork team yesterday they have the makings of a very good side; impressive midfield with plenty of scoring options an plenty of pace.
If only they can get their act together.
Football needs a strong Cork.
It does but they might need another year.
Dublin to play their hardest game this year next week versus Derry ahead of strolling into the A.I series AGAIN....
They are that good they should be made to play in Ulster championship for the craic....Kerry too...gather a few battle scars....
Ahead of either of them lifting Sam...instead of the usual and boring walk in the park....
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 24, 2024, 03:41:45 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 03:27:31 PMRoscommon join Monaghan in the basement. They will probably
a) both feature in the all Ireland qf
b) both be promoted next year
the league now is just shadow boxing
I'm not so sure on that; Down and Cork will fancy their chances of promotion next year aswell as both of those.
Looking at that Cork team yesterday they have the makings of a very good side; impressive midfield with plenty of scoring options an plenty of pace.
If only they can get their act together.
Football needs a strong Cork.
Cork perhaps but remains very inconsistent. Down just up from Div 3 it will be harder to gain promotion.
Dublin 11/10 -2 points for next week.
That's clean mental!
Unfortunately I don't bet against Derry but even on balance of previous games it's a serious value price it probably won't last long.
I happily took the Dubs -6 today though!
Tyrone got tanked against Kerry down there in 2021 in a league game. Would read nothing into that today.
Derry have a right good chance at winning the All Ireland this summer. Serious momentum from back to back Ulster titles and All Ireland semi final appearances and Glen winning the club top honour. Were about 10% off last year and the appointment of Mickey Harte could prove a very good one.
Read nothing into it, that always the forming line when a team hammered. Tyrone aren't near to the level of Dublin. I read plenty into it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 05:30:44 PMTyrone got tanked against Kerry down there in 2021 in a league game. Would read nothing into that today.
If it was in isolation then I'd agree with you but Tyrone are going nowhere this year and haven't been since they won the Covid AI title. You can't lose that many players and still remain competitive and they have done well to retain their division one status with practically a new team. They might come good in a few years time as they are still doing well at underage level but I expect that they will limp their way through the championship again and I'd be surprised if they make much of an impact.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 05:49:09 PMDerry have a right good chance at winning the All Ireland this summer. Serious momentum from back to back Ulster titles and All Ireland semi final appearances and Glen winning the club top honour. Were about 10% off last year and the appointment of Mickey Harte could prove a very good one.
Lets wait and see. I suspect that Dublin are still a bit ahead of them (and everybody else for that matter) particularly in the attacking department. Next week, despite it only being a League final, is a hugely significant game for Derry. If they can win that then it would be another big breakthrough for them and will give them the belief that they can compete to win Sam this year.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:52:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 05:30:44 PMTyrone got tanked against Kerry down there in 2021 in a league game. Would read nothing into that today.
If it was in isolation then I'd agree with you but Tyrone are going nowhere this year and haven't been since they won the Covid AI title. You can't lose that many players and still remain competitive and they have done well to retain their division one status with practically a new team. They might come good in a few years time as they are still doing well at underage level but I expect that they will limp their way through the championship again and I'd be surprised if they make much of an impact.
The covid AI title?! Wasn't 2020 the covid all ireland title? WUM.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2024, 06:02:01 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:52:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 05:30:44 PMTyrone got tanked against Kerry down there in 2021 in a league game. Would read nothing into that today.
If it was in isolation then I'd agree with you but Tyrone are going nowhere this year and haven't been since they won the Covid AI title. You can't lose that many players and still remain competitive and they have done well to retain their division one status with practically a new team. They might come good in a few years time as they are still doing well at underage level but I expect that they will limp their way through the championship again and I'd be surprised if they make much of an impact.
The covid AI title?! Wasn't 2020 the covid all ireland title? WUM.
They got it called off a couple of times due to "covid" and got a full squad back together did they not?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 24, 2024, 06:02:01 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:52:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 05:30:44 PMTyrone got tanked against Kerry down there in 2021 in a league game. Would read nothing into that today.
If it was in isolation then I'd agree with you but Tyrone are going nowhere this year and haven't been since they won the Covid AI title. You can't lose that many players and still remain competitive and they have done well to retain their division one status with practically a new team. They might come good in a few years time as they are still doing well at underage level but I expect that they will limp their way through the championship again and I'd be surprised if they make much of an impact.
The covid AI title?! Wasn't 2020 the covid all ireland title? WUM.
Strictly speaking yes it was 2020 but it also applied to 2021 as they were both straight knock out championships. The Covid reference was also related more to the episode prior to the Kerry match.
I have seen nothing from Tyrone since then to suggest that they were not the most underwhelming champions in recent memory. I said that at the time and if they had backed that success up then I was prepared to be corrected. However just look at Tyrones results since then which have been mediocre and I'm not sure even Tyrone fans can argue any differently.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2024, 05:52:02 PMRead nothing into it, that always the forming line when a team hammered. Tyrone aren't near to the level of Dublin. I read plenty into it.
Dublin are ahead of everyone at the minute, that's probably obvious enough. Tyrone aren't as shite as that scoreline makes them look.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:57:16 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 05:49:09 PMDerry have a right good chance at winning the All Ireland this summer. Serious momentum from back to back Ulster titles and All Ireland semi final appearances and Glen winning the club top honour. Were about 10% off last year and the appointment of Mickey Harte could prove a very good one.
Lets wait and see. I suspect that Dublin are still a bit ahead of them (and everybody else for that matter) particularly in the attacking department. Next week, despite it only being a League final, is a hugely significant game for Derry. If they can win that then it would be another big breakthrough for them and will give them the belief that they can compete to win Sam this year.
Dublin playing too good too soon, they paced themselves last year and were in top shape for the All Ireland Quarter final. Don't think the league final will count for a lot come championship time belief is already there for Derry.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 06:14:35 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:57:16 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 05:49:09 PMDerry have a right good chance at winning the All Ireland this summer. Serious momentum from back to back Ulster titles and All Ireland semi final appearances and Glen winning the club top honour. Were about 10% off last year and the appointment of Mickey Harte could prove a very good one.
Lets wait and see. I suspect that Dublin are still a bit ahead of them (and everybody else for that matter) particularly in the attacking department. Next week, despite it only being a League final, is a hugely significant game for Derry. If they can win that then it would be another big breakthrough for them and will give them the belief that they can compete to win Sam this year.
Dublin playing too good too soon, they paced themselves last year and were in top shape for the All Ireland Quarter final. Don't think the league final will count for a lot come championship time belief is already there for Derry.
I don't buy this pacing stuff. It was never a thing when Dublin were simultaneously hoovering up League and AI titles for fun during their decade of dominance. They weren't producing their best to win those League titles but they didn't need to as they were just a good bit better than the opposition.
Dublin (along with Kerry) can afford the luxury of aiming to peak for the quarter final phase every year. So if you think that Dublin are going flat out at the minute then that is wishful thinking.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 06:14:35 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:57:16 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 05:49:09 PMDerry have a right good chance at winning the All Ireland this summer. Serious momentum from back to back Ulster titles and All Ireland semi final appearances and Glen winning the club top honour. Were about 10% off last year and the appointment of Mickey Harte could prove a very good one.
Lets wait and see. I suspect that Dublin are still a bit ahead of them (and everybody else for that matter) particularly in the attacking department. Next week, despite it only being a League final, is a hugely significant game for Derry. If they can win that then it would be another big breakthrough for them and will give them the belief that they can compete to win Sam this year.
Dublin playing too good too soon, they paced themselves last year and were in top shape for the All Ireland Quarter final. Don't think the league final will count for a lot come championship time belief is already there for Derry.
Ah here we go again... Too good too soon (insert green bokey emoji from WhatsApp) . Maybe, just maybe this is the level this version of Dublin play at. What happens when a few of the big hitters are back starting, will they regress??
Why do Dublin get 5 out of 8 Home games in the League?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 06:11:21 PMDublin are ahead of everyone at the minute, that's probably obvious enough. Tyrone aren't as shite as that scoreline makes them look.
Absolutely, on both counts.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 06:11:21 PMDublin are ahead of everyone at the minute, that's probably obvious enough. Tyrone aren't as shite as that scoreline makes them look.
Dublin have been ahead of everyone for the last 7,358,400 minutes.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 06:11:21 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2024, 05:52:02 PMRead nothing into it, that always the forming line when a team hammered. Tyrone aren't near to the level of Dublin. I read plenty into it.
Dublin are ahead of everyone at the minute, that's probably obvious enough. Tyrone aren't as shite as that scoreline makes them look.
Didn't see the game today though in the recent past I've seen Tyrone get positive results against Dublin in the league. A trimming like today's 21-point demolition usual happens when the opposition drops the heads making it easy to clock up a big score against them. Dublin five wins in a row after losing their two opening games. Before today they won by a margin 7,10,5,8 points I was not expecting them to clock a margin of victory like that until the leinster championship.
Some achievement by Dublin, promoted from Division 2 and then follow up with a league final. I didn't see that coming and thought they'd be a team in transition for four or five years.
Was at the game today, no oneis going to touch the Dubs in this years AI race, imo.
Quote from: Rois on March 24, 2024, 01:26:25 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 12:54:51 PMMickey Harte absolutely wants to win it!
Agree - Tyrone won their first NFL in Mickey's first year in charge, 2002, which was proceeded by winning Sam the next year...
Mickey will want to win the league this year without doubt but the 2002 league was won by Art and Eugene. Mickey made a successful defence of it in his first year in 2003.
Bizarre to see people linking that grim Tyrone defeat today to winning the AI 3 years ago 😂. That team had been contending for years with 3 provincial titles, 1 AI final defeat and a number of semi-final appearances. Had a great summer and deserved their AI. Unfortunately never got back to those heights and now very much in transition, but still stayed in Division 1 with an awful lot of young players coming through. The concern is that even allowing for those new players they shouldn't be losing like that. Management have a bit of work to do to prove they are the right team to work with the talent coming through.
Goodbye Division 1.
If only games lasted 40 minutes...
Enda Smith. Great player, love to have him in our team.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2024, 08:27:18 PMGoodbye Division 1.
If only games lasted 40 minutes...
Sad to see ye go. Beidh aris ann. I hope that ye get further than last year in the championship. I hope we can too.
Dublin were just taking a break to let the divide the county in 2 talk die down. They'll wrap up the next 3 and then throw the rest of us a bone for a year or two to keep up appearances.
In reality, Derry and Kerry are the only two who can foster any hope against them. The rest of us are just making up numbers. I'm glad we stole that Covid AI now, takes the bad look of us.
Dublin are well ahead of the rest at the minute, but tyrone made them look even better.
Tyrone were brutal.
Nothing going forward at all, pot shots at best. No creativity at all.
Dublin could have scored another 4 ot 5 goals but for morgan.
The speed they attack with is awesome, the kicking game really worked, but tyrone defense was very naieve and slow.
Maybe if tyrone had everyone fit and able they'd do better, but that was shambolic today.
Hopefully Derry put it up to them, a loss wouldn't be the end if the world but really need to be competitive.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2024, 09:12:55 PMDublin are well ahead of the rest at the minute, but tyrone made them look even better.
Tyrone were brutal.
Nothing going forward at all, pot shots at best. No creativity at all.
Dublin could have scored another 4 ot 5 goals but for morgan.
The speed they attack with is awesome, the kicking game really worked, but tyrone defense was very naieve and slow.
Maybe if tyrone had everyone fit and able they'd do better, but that was shambolic today.
Hopefully Derry put it up to them, a loss wouldn't be the end if the world but really need to be competitive.
Just wondering!
Were you at the game or did you see a recording of it?
If you did is it available somewhere?
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2024, 09:12:55 PMDublin are well ahead of the rest at the minute, but tyrone made them look even better.
Tyrone were brutal.
Nothing going forward at all, pot shots at best. No creativity at all.
Dublin could have scored another 4 ot 5 goals but for morgan.
The speed they attack with is awesome, the kicking game really worked, but tyrone defense was very naieve and slow.
Maybe if tyrone had everyone fit and able they'd do better, but that was shambolic today.
Hopefully Derry put it up to them, a loss wouldn't be the end if the world but really need to be competitive.
Galway full out can give them a game but not sure that will happen
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 24, 2024, 09:19:46 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2024, 09:12:55 PMDublin are well ahead of the rest at the minute, but tyrone made them look even better.
Tyrone were brutal.
Nothing going forward at all, pot shots at best. No creativity at all.
Dublin could have scored another 4 ot 5 goals but for morgan.
The speed they attack with is awesome, the kicking game really worked, but tyrone defense was very naieve and slow.
Maybe if tyrone had everyone fit and able they'd do better, but that was shambolic today.
Hopefully Derry put it up to them, a loss wouldn't be the end if the world but really need to be competitive.
Just wondering!
Were you at the game or did you see a recording of it?
If you did is it available somewhere?
I was at it.
Not sure if it can ve watched anywhere.
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 24, 2024, 09:21:00 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2024, 09:12:55 PMDublin are well ahead of the rest at the minute, but tyrone made them look even better.
Tyrone were brutal.
Nothing going forward at all, pot shots at best. No creativity at all.
Dublin could have scored another 4 ot 5 goals but for morgan.
The speed they attack with is awesome, the kicking game really worked, but tyrone defense was very naieve and slow.
Maybe if tyrone had everyone fit and able they'd do better, but that was shambolic today.
Hopefully Derry put it up to them, a loss wouldn't be the end if the world but really need to be competitive.
Galway full out can give them a game but not sure that will happen
Not as it stands they can't.
Full strength Galway would not beat full Dublin.
Galway haven't shown much this year yet and I think it is unrealistic to expect them to challenge even if comer et al return. Can't just show up after that long out injured and be back to top level.
I think it could be a short year for Galway.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2024, 09:43:53 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on March 24, 2024, 09:19:46 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 24, 2024, 09:12:55 PMDublin are well ahead of the rest at the minute, but tyrone made them look even better.
Tyrone were brutal.
Nothing going forward at all, pot shots at best. No creativity at all.
Dublin could have scored another 4 ot 5 goals but for morgan.
The speed they attack with is awesome, the kicking game really worked, but tyrone defense was very naieve and slow.
Maybe if tyrone had everyone fit and able they'd do better, but that was shambolic today.
Hopefully Derry put it up to them, a loss wouldn't be the end if the world but really need to be competitive.
Just wondering!
Were you at the game or did you see a recording of it?
If you did is it available somewhere?
I was at it.
Not sure if it can ve watched anywhere.
Cheers
These 2 FFS!!🤦🏼�♂️
Quote from: screenexile on March 24, 2024, 10:20:40 PMThese 2 FFS!!🤦🏼�♂️
Paul Flynn and Sean Cavanagh went out of their way to talk up Derry and both really looking forward to the final.
Sean believes Tyrone shouldn't be losing to any team by 20 points, the defending by Tyrone was as bad as I've seen from a Div 1 side in Croke Park.
Watching that Kerry game there, they wouldn't be too hot on with without the Clifford's. If D Clifford gets injured I wouldn't think they have enough to go by the last 8
do you think dublin will try and blitz derry like they did with tyrone to put down and statement and a psychological blow to mickey harte and derry say dublin hammer derry by 15 points
Quote from: Eire90 on March 25, 2024, 05:29:09 AMdo you think dublin will try and blitz derry like they did with tyrone to put down and statement and a psychological blow to mickey harte and derry say dublin hammer derry by 15 points
Yes
Quote from: screenexile on March 25, 2024, 09:14:34 AMQuote from: Eire90 on March 25, 2024, 05:29:09 AMdo you think dublin will try and blitz derry like they did with tyrone to put down and statement and a psychological blow to mickey harte and derry say dublin hammer derry by 15 points
Yes
Absolutely. And no better place for them to be blitzing teams than in Croke Park. But that's a different argument.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 25, 2024, 05:29:09 AMdo you think dublin will try and blitz derry like they did with tyrone to put down and statement and a psychological blow to mickey harte and derry say dublin hammer derry by 15 points
Of course they will.
They'll want to put Derry back in their box as pretenders to an AI.
Interesting point someone made about our goalkeeper pushing up and the speed of attack from Dublin. It's certainly a concern but I think we have to play our own game.
Dublin at times against Tyrone, early in the first half before it got completely away from Tyrone, had 15 men behind the ball in their own half, or even inside the 45.
Tyrone couldn't make inroads and either were turned over or hit wides, but were then really slow to get back whereas Dublin bombed forward.
I think it's something Derry will have to watch for in game and make that judgement call on when to push up and when not to.
Tyrone's attack were too lateral, I think Derry will be more direct too and will run at the Dublin defence.
I think running at them is the only chance you have to get through them, so it will have to be a high risk approach to the match for Derry I think. Commit players forward, push up on the Dublin kickouts (including Lynch) and filter back at speed.
I do think Derry are better than Tyrone and I really hope we don't let Dublin get a head of steam up early.
Every game is on the day, but Dublin will be raging hot favourites.
I was at the Dublin v Tyrone game, and the speed they move the ball at, the accuracy of the their kick passing is next level, and their work rate is just so so high. And that was them without a raft of players. Its scary how good they were, but another part of me thinks that Tyrone made them look really good too as they were so poor. I suspect they are not just as good as they looked yesterday, but they are still awesome.
Derry will ask more of them than Tyrone, will compete in the middle sector, will attack from everywhere and have some top rate defenders. Match ups in defence will be key. McKaigue doesn't have the legs to man mark a Con O'Callaghan , so potentially McEvoy there. Hopefully McKinless is fit to play, a huge loss if not.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 25, 2024, 10:28:23 AMQuote from: Eire90 on March 25, 2024, 05:29:09 AMdo you think dublin will try and blitz derry like they did with tyrone to put down and statement and a psychological blow to mickey harte and derry say dublin hammer derry by 15 points
Of course they will.
They'll want to put Derry back in their box as pretenders to an AI.
Interesting point someone made about our goalkeeper pushing up and the speed of attack from Dublin. It's certainly a concern but I think we have to play our own game.
Dublin at times against Tyrone, early in the first half before it got completely away from Tyrone, had 15 men behind the ball in their own half, or even inside the 45.
Tyrone couldn't make inroads and either were turned over or hit wides, but were then really slow to get back whereas Dublin bombed forward.
I think it's something Derry will have to watch for in game and make that judgement call on when to push up and when not to.
Tyrone's attack were too lateral, I think Derry will be more direct too and will run at the Dublin defence.
I think running at them is the only chance you have to get through them, so it will have to be a high risk approach to the match for Derry I think. Commit players forward, push up on the Dublin kickouts (including Lynch) and filter back at speed.
I do think Derry are better than Tyrone and I really hope we don't let Dublin get a head of steam up early.
Every game is on the day, but Dublin will be raging hot favourites.
I was at the Dublin v Tyrone game, and the speed they move the ball at, the accuracy of the their kick passing is next level, and their work rate is just so so high. And that was them without a raft of players. Its scary how good they were, but another part of me thinks that Tyrone made them look really good too as they were so poor. I suspect they are not just as good as they looked yesterday, but they are still awesome.
Derry will ask more of them than Tyrone, will compete in the middle sector, will attack from everywhere and have some top rate defenders. Match ups in defence will be key. McKaigue doesn't have the legs to man mark a Con O'Callaghan , so potentially McEvoy there. Hopefully McKinless is fit to play, a huge loss if not.
McKinless if he doesn't play is a big loss surely but he'll be a bigger loss if he plays and gets a further setback going into the Donegal game. That's only 3 weeks away this weekend. I'd prefer he sits this one out if there is any jeopardy to him playing in that game.
Roscommon had a serious amount of goal chances yesterday and the Dubs won't miss many of those.
Derry were ahead of Dublin at Halftime in the Division 2 league final last year. But missing a few key players left us badly exposed in the 2nd half. McAvoy better suited to full back, and Gilmore showing enough to hold down a half back position but McKeigue has played well enough this year too.
Derry should rattled the net qbout 4 times yesterday, but yes definitely give Roscommon the same amount.Alot if players were playing further up the field yesterday and not dropping back as far. This leaving more gaps at the back.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 25, 2024, 10:38:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on March 25, 2024, 10:28:23 AMQuote from: Eire90 on March 25, 2024, 05:29:09 AMdo you think dublin will try and blitz derry like they did with tyrone to put down and statement and a psychological blow to mickey harte and derry say dublin hammer derry by 15 points
Of course they will.
They'll want to put Derry back in their box as pretenders to an AI.
Interesting point someone made about our goalkeeper pushing up and the speed of attack from Dublin. It's certainly a concern but I think we have to play our own game.
Dublin at times against Tyrone, early in the first half before it got completely away from Tyrone, had 15 men behind the ball in their own half, or even inside the 45.
Tyrone couldn't make inroads and either were turned over or hit wides, but were then really slow to get back whereas Dublin bombed forward.
I think it's something Derry will have to watch for in game and make that judgement call on when to push up and when not to.
Tyrone's attack were too lateral, I think Derry will be more direct too and will run at the Dublin defence.
I think running at them is the only chance you have to get through them, so it will have to be a high risk approach to the match for Derry I think. Commit players forward, push up on the Dublin kickouts (including Lynch) and filter back at speed.
I do think Derry are better than Tyrone and I really hope we don't let Dublin get a head of steam up early.
Every game is on the day, but Dublin will be raging hot favourites.
I was at the Dublin v Tyrone game, and the speed they move the ball at, the accuracy of the their kick passing is next level, and their work rate is just so so high. And that was them without a raft of players. Its scary how good they were, but another part of me thinks that Tyrone made them look really good too as they were so poor. I suspect they are not just as good as they looked yesterday, but they are still awesome.
Derry will ask more of them than Tyrone, will compete in the middle sector, will attack from everywhere and have some top rate defenders. Match ups in defence will be key. McKaigue doesn't have the legs to man mark a Con O'Callaghan , so potentially McEvoy there. Hopefully McKinless is fit to play, a huge loss if not.
McKinless if he doesn't play is a big loss surely but he'll be a bigger loss if he plays and gets a further setback going into the Donegal game. That's only 3 weeks away this weekend. I'd prefer he sits this one out if there is any jeopardy to him playing in that game.
Roscommon had a serious amount of goal chances yesterday and the Dubs won't miss many of those.
Agree on McKinless. He's one of the most important players we have, be great to see him against the dubs but absolutely if there's any risk to him it shouldn't be chanced.
I wouldn't be overly concerned about coughing up goal chances to Roscommon. It was a game we didn't really need to win, we didn't start our strongest 15, and when we needed to we pulled away with ease.
Lynch and Conor Doherty both returning from injury, and McGuigan didn't fire on all cylinders.
I'd imagine we'll concede goal chances to Dublin, but if we can keep them to 1 or 2, I think we have a goal or 2 in us. Really looking forward to it, will be the first true gauge of where we are this year. Losing wouldn't be the end of the world so long as we are competitive throughout.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 25, 2024, 10:39:27 AMDerry were ahead of Dublin at Halftime in the Division 2 league final last year. But missing a few key players left us badly exposed in the 2nd half. McAvoy better suited to full back, and Gilmore showing enough to hold down a half back position but McKeigue has played well enough this year too.
3 of the Dublin goals were very fortunate that day. The first one was a very obvious square ball, the second was a penalty that was very soft and there was another that was a point effort that went in top corner. It all happened without Glass and McKaigue on the pitch too.
Dublin had chances for many more goals though. O'Callaghan was getting in behind your defense any time the ball went near him. He didn't do that in the last game tbf but croke park a lot bigger.
Does anyone know what time tickets go on sale?
Just saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
Probably €30?
Only just noticed that Cluxton slipped back in yesterday and barely anybody noticed. Mental how one of the greatest players of all time just flits in and out now without barely a word said.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
€5 discount on Adult & Student/OAP match tickets for the upcoming Allianz League Finals using your GAA Ticket Discount Code from Foireann (registered GAA Club Members)
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
Cheers. Got an email today saying €5 off for club members.
As a registered GAA Club Member, you can avail of a €5 discount on Adult & Student/OAP match tickets for the upcoming Allianz League Finals using your GAA Ticket Discount Code.
You'll find your discount code in one of three ways:
Log in to Foireann and click on your green membership chip
In your confirmation email from the time of registration
Ask your club registrar/secretary to get it for you
Was in my junk mail just in case anyones missed it
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 04:39:38 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
Cheers. Got an email today saying €5 off for club members.
As a registered GAA Club Member, you can avail of a €5 discount on Adult & Student/OAP match tickets for the upcoming Allianz League Finals using your GAA Ticket Discount Code.
You'll find your discount code in one of three ways:
Log in to Foireann and click on your green membership chip
In your confirmation email from the time of registration
Ask your club registrar/secretary to get it for you
Was in my junk mail just in case anyones missed it
This is good, everything from GAAGo to Season tickets should be associated with membership and get some discount. And if these systems are linked it can provide a basis for allocation of tickets later on.
Quote from: Dabh on March 25, 2024, 04:36:57 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
€5 discount on Adult & Student/OAP match tickets for the upcoming Allianz League Finals using your GAA Ticket Discount Code from Foireann (registered GAA Club Members)
Is it only one discount?
Quote from: p3427977 on March 25, 2024, 05:25:25 PMQuote from: Dabh on March 25, 2024, 04:36:57 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
€5 discount on Adult & Student/OAP match tickets for the upcoming Allianz League Finals using your GAA Ticket Discount Code from Foireann (registered GAA Club Members)
Is it only one discount?
OAP students should get two!
Quote from: p3427977 on March 25, 2024, 05:25:25 PMQuote from: Dabh on March 25, 2024, 04:36:57 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 12:47:25 PMJust saying on sale soon on ticketmaster. Anyone any idea of price?
€30 adult
€25 student / OAP / Hill
€5 wains
Online now
€5 discount on Adult & Student/OAP match tickets for the upcoming Allianz League Finals using your GAA Ticket Discount Code from Foireann (registered GAA Club Members)
Is it only one discount?
Looks like you can use one discount code per order. Got 5 tickets earlier but only needed to use the one code. Just incase you have multiple people in your Foireann account.
Updated NFL Division 1 top scorers from play per Gaelic Statsman on twitter
1. Darragh Canavan (Tyrone) 2-17
2. Shane McGuigan (Derry) 1-19
3. Con O'Callaghan (Dublin) 2-15
4. David Clifford (Kerry) 1-15
5. Sean O'Shea (Kerry) 0-15
6. Fergal Boland (Mayo) 0-13
6. Enda Smith (Roscommon) 1-10
8. Ross McGarry (Dublin) 0-12
9. Ciaran Daly (Tyrone) 1-08
9. Jack McCarron (Monaghan) 1-08
Wonder will many Dublin fans travel on Sunday?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 26, 2024, 10:13:13 PMWonder will many Dublin fans travel on Sunday?
They don't have to travel, they get a home game as usual.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2024, 10:14:35 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 26, 2024, 10:13:13 PMWonder will many Dublin fans travel on Sunday?
They don't have to travel, they get a home game as usual.
Yeah exactly,more home games than any other county all year round,how is that fair?
What odds will I get for Dublin to win on Sunday and Derry to beat Dublin in the championship?
Might be a better venue for that question.
How many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
Quote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
Probably similar to last year which I think was around 45k.
Quote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Most of Saturdays probably Laythrums?
Too many injuries for Galway, only saving grace is there's likely 6 championship games to be played before they play knockout football but I don't hold any hope.
Form the team that started the 2022 All Ireland Final (all of them are on the panel) 4 haven't started a league game, 3 have started one league game and Tierney has started 3 league games. Throw in the likes of Hernon & Cooke who both look like good division 1 players but decided not to commit then Galway are missing far too much quality, staying in the division is a good achievement.
There's a lot of lads on their first year on the panel who've got game time, there's a few others outside of that who aren't upto to this level but their size and physicality has been needed at times. Mulkerrins & Molloy have both found it very difficult coming back from serious injury, have my doubts about Mulkerrins anyways.
McGrath has been superb, Maher has been good but both were below their best and looked tired against Kerry. They've both played a lot of football during the league and it began to show.
Keeper had a nightmare 2nd half, Joyce has been very loyal to him but surely that can't continue. He just lost the plot.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
Sunday's double header looks decent - you'd imagine they'd be disappointed not to get 40,000 plus. Derry Dublin the two best teams in the country on current form and both will want to win it so no danger of teams holding back too much. Ulster derby in the division 2 final which should attract decent numbers too. Though so far a lot of the ground not open - Easter Sunday could play a factor.
Quote from: les Antiques on March 27, 2024, 01:12:54 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
Down will take a decent crowd down the road I'd say. We'll take a fair few and obviously the Dubs always come out in numbers.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 27, 2024, 12:55:54 PMToo many injuries for Galway, only saving grace is there's likely 6 championship games to be played before they play knockout football but I don't hold any hope.
Form the team that started the 2022 All Ireland Final (all of them are on the panel) 4 haven't started a league game, 3 have started one league game and Tierney has started 3 league games. Throw in the likes of Hernon & Cooke who both look like good division 1 players but decided not to commit then Galway are missing far too much quality, staying in the division is a good achievement.
There's a lot of lads on their first year on the panel who've got game time, there's a few others outside of that who aren't upto to this level but their size and physicality has been needed at times. Mulkerrins & Molloy have both found it very difficult coming back from serious injury, have my doubts about Mulkerrins anyways.
McGrath has been superb, Maher has been good but both were below their best and looked tired against Kerry. They've both played a lot of football during the league and it began to show.
Keeper had a nightmare 2nd half, Joyce has been very loyal to him but surely that can't continue. He just lost the plot.
The Galway team that played in the 2022 semi-final and final have basically never played with each other since due to injuries. That was the one year they kept everyone fit and available (apart from Cooke who was away). Last year Silke was away. Molloy out for the year. And Comer and Sean Kelly got injured. This year a clatter of them have been out injured. Patrick Kelly started the 22 semi-final and final and has barely kicked a ball since since due to injury.
It's all very well lads being fresh for championship but there comes a tipping point where even if you get these players back on the field they are running out of time to get up to match fitness and match sharpness required for championship football.
Best Galway can hope for is that they can muddle through the Connacht championship (on the easier side of the draw). Reach a provincial final and whether they win or lose it will have them in the AI group stages. Hopefully they might get a few bodies back by then.
Well there wasn't 4k at home for Derry last week, Celtic Park had fair crowds for Dublin,Tyrone,Monaghan.So not sure what we bring.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2024, 08:51:12 PMWell there wasn't 4k at home for Derry last week, Celtic Park had fair crwods for Dublin,Tyrone,Monaghan.So not sure what we bring.
Derry are big shots now, sure you wouldn't be bothered looking at Roscommon but Dublin are respectable opposition.
I prefer it when we try get in all games if possible.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0330/1039632-derry-see-off-dogged-leitrim-to-take-division-4-crown/
Just 5 years ago. In fairness some turn around in fortunes for Derry but they never were a division 4 side anyway.
Quote from: les Antiques on March 27, 2024, 01:12:54 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
They are never far wrong with their expected crowds.
Quote from: phpearse on March 28, 2024, 10:32:24 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0330/1039632-derry-see-off-dogged-leitrim-to-take-division-4-crown/
Just 5 years ago. In fairness some turn around in fortunes for Derry but they never were a division 4 side anyway.
Just four players from that starting team still playing. The new players introduced improved the quality significantly.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2024, 10:49:04 AMQuote from: les Antiques on March 27, 2024, 01:12:54 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
They are never far wrong with their expected crowds.
Emmm.. Chances are the upper decks will remain closed
Quote from: shawshank on March 28, 2024, 11:32:45 AMQuote from: phpearse on March 28, 2024, 10:32:24 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0330/1039632-derry-see-off-dogged-leitrim-to-take-division-4-crown/
Just 5 years ago. In fairness some turn around in fortunes for Derry but they never were a division 4 side anyway.
Just four players from that starting team still playing. The new players introduced improved the quality significantly.
Fair play to Leitrim.
A small county population wise and club wise as well as being hit hard by emmigration and lads working away from home etc.
Great to see them play in Croke Park.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 28, 2024, 12:01:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2024, 10:49:04 AMQuote from: les Antiques on March 27, 2024, 01:12:54 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
They are never far wrong with their expected crowds.
Emmm.. Chances are the upper decks will remain closed
And won't be opened. Will many of the Donegal/Armagh supporters stay on for the 2nd game? Won't be many Dubs in for the first game.
(https://i.ibb.co/TWtyPRT/Screenshot-20240328-135636-2.png) (https://ibb.co/6XFQDbZ)
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2024, 02:00:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 28, 2024, 12:01:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2024, 10:49:04 AMQuote from: les Antiques on March 27, 2024, 01:12:54 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
They are never far wrong with their expected crowds.
Emmm.. Chances are the upper decks will remain closed
And won't be opened. Will many of the Donegal/Armagh supporters stay on for the 2nd game? Won't be many Dubs in for the first game.
(https://i.ibb.co/TWtyPRT/Screenshot-20240328-135636-2.png) (https://ibb.co/6XFQDbZ)
I was talking to a few lads last night and they said going home after the Division two final really don't see the point of doing that, but each of their own.
It's is a long wait to the 2nd game, last year i lasted to half time of the Division 1 final after been there for Div 2 Final to beat traffic. Be in no rush this time, try let the Armagh traffic clear.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2024, 02:00:53 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 28, 2024, 12:01:40 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 28, 2024, 10:49:04 AMQuote from: les Antiques on March 27, 2024, 01:12:54 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 27, 2024, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: toby47 on March 27, 2024, 09:09:42 AMHow many do we expect to be in Croke Part on Sunday?
According to Crokepark.ie they are expecting 40k and 10k for Saturday.
Optimistic on both counts from Crokepark.ie in my opinion.
They are never far wrong with their expected crowds.
Emmm.. Chances are the upper decks will remain closed
And won't be opened. Will many of the Donegal/Armagh supporters stay on for the 2nd game? Won't be many Dubs in for the first game.
(https://i.ibb.co/TWtyPRT/Screenshot-20240328-135636-2.png) (https://ibb.co/6XFQDbZ)
Thanks.. Tix sorted
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2024, 02:38:55 PMIt's is a long wait to the 2nd game, last year i lasted to half time of the Division 1 final after been there for Div 2 Final to beat traffic. Be in no rush this time, try let the Armagh traffic clear.
Extra time in first games is the great unknown, so they build in plenty of extra space for it. Could be penalties too as Armagh are involved.
10 years ago the headline bill in Croker was often delayed for the first game to finish.
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Derry have named their strongest team available. No point in risking McKinless from the start he is a very good impact sub anyway.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0328/1440576-all-ireland-tilt-must-be-next-step-for-derry-o-se/
Tomás Ó Sé: All-Ireland tilt must be next step for Derry
Mickey Harte's Derry team won six of their seven games in the Allianz League Divison 1 round-robin stage
Mickey Harte's Derry team won six of their seven games in the Allianz League Divison 1 round-robin stage
A concerted tilt at an All-Ireland must be the next step for Derry and Sunday's Allianz League Division 1 final against Dublin will be vital in engineering belief for Mickey Harte's side, according to RTÉ GAA analyst Tomás Ó Sé.
Derry topped the round-robin phase of this year's top tier and are coming off back-to-back Ulster titles in 2022 and 2023, as well as the Club All-Ireland success for the contingent from Watty Graham's Glen.
With that momentum behind them, Ó Sé told the RTÉ GAA Podcast that Derry's ultimate target is becoming clearer.
"They're after winning back-to-back Ulsters. The next step is, it's not that it would be a disaster if they didn't win an All-Ireland but the next step has to be to compete at the very, very top level," he said.
"I think they have to target themselves against the Dublins and the Kerrys and whoever else is up there and I think that will be the big question for them.
"They had an unbelievable chance against Kerry [in last year's semi-final]. Kerry did so well to come out of that with a win last year and Derry will look back at that and say they're not far away.
"You have two teams contesting the Division 2 final who will be aiming to win Ulster but I think Derry, Mickey Harte has played it brilliantly this year.
"He has introduced players and I think he has questioned that if they're going to go all the way, they're probably going to have to have more strength in depth."
With Dublin awaiting in the league showpiece, Ó Sé added that it's not the result per se that is most important on Sunday but an ability to demonstrate that they can cope with the benchmark that the All-Ireland champions have set.
"I don't think their championship fails on Sunday because they don't win," he continued.
"But I do think that they have to come away from Dublin saying, 'Yeah, we're up there and we're on a par with them and we're not going to be blasted out of the water.'"
You not a Tyrone man Seafoid? Post an awful lot of Derry stuff.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2024, 08:06:07 PMYou not a Tyrone man Seafoid? Post an awful lot of Derry stuff.
;D god forgive you Wildweasel!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2024, 08:06:07 PMYou not a Tyrone man Seafoid? Post an awful lot of Derry stuff.
Fixed
Are there any parking restrictions lifted today given its Easter Sunday, akin to Christmas day?
Speed cameras In The Moy, speed cameras on the M1.They do love there northern gaa fans on a Easter Sunday.
Diving Derry at it again.
Extremely soft free there for McGuigans 3rd point.
Great start for Derry taking the game to Dublin. 0-5 to 0-2 after 12 mins.
A just like that Dublin led, not the best of goal keeping. 1-3 to 0-5.
Derry keeper probably should have done better for the goal.
Derry keeper has mistakes in him. Could be the difference come the summer.
according to the rules that should have been a penalty for Dublin. They score from a tap over free 1-6 to 0-8 three minutes to half time.
McGuigan's went down easy a couple of times now but Derry got the equaliser anyway from not getting the free.
Half time Dublin 1-7 Derry 0-10
Thought the ball had went out over the sideline that led to that last Derry point?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 04:33:38 PMaccording to the rules that should have been a penalty for Dublin. They score from a tap over free 1-6 to 0-8 three minutes to half time.
That's what I thought. Seems rules only apply to certain teams
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2024, 04:38:35 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 04:33:38 PMaccording to the rules that should have been a penalty for Dublin. They score from a tap over free 1-6 to 0-8 three minutes to half time.
That's what I thought. Seems rules only apply to certain teams
Yes teams playing against Dublin at home consistently get the rib of the green!!
Credit to both teams, an example of how Gaelic football should be played.
The ref who I am usually very critical of more for his mannerism also having a very good game, letting them play.
Plenty of wides on both sides with Dublin missing a number of handy ones. Dublin cleaning them in the middle when forced long. Derry v much like a Tyrone style of play now and playing rightly
Level at the half but feels a bit like Derry just hanging in there level by their fingernails. Dublin v wasteful - feel like they are not firing on all cyclinders whereas Derry feel like they have performed at full pelt to go in level. Don't think Derry will be able to sustain it.
Absolutely awful goal to concede - goalies punching the ball straight out the field is madness in GAA - if it's not a goal chance it nearly guarantees a point for the opposition.
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2024, 04:39:26 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2024, 04:38:35 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 04:33:38 PMaccording to the rules that should have been a penalty for Dublin. They score from a tap over free 1-6 to 0-8 three minutes to half time.
That's what I thought. Seems rules only apply to certain teams
Yes teams playing against Dublin at home consistently get the rib of the green!!
Lynch had that pass covered even if he wasn't fouled
All Derry problems are coming from their half forward line not tracking bck probably. Loughlin and Cassidy not great 1 cant run and the other can't tackle, McGrogan been injured recently and is a mile of the pace. Biggest concern is the keeper, he becoming a big liability, he too slow out the field and bad Habit of not sprinting bck to nets when they lose the ball. He also cant seem to Identify the mismatch on the small Dublin corner back on McGuigan, and in the case of the kickout for the goal, Glass.
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2024, 04:39:26 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2024, 04:38:35 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 04:33:38 PMaccording to the rules that should have been a penalty for Dublin. They score from a tap over free 1-6 to 0-8 three minutes to half time.
That's what I thought. Seems rules only apply to certain teams
Yes teams playing against Dublin at home consistently get the rib of the green!!
Doesn't matter according to the rules its a card and pen
Derry not at full pelt, I think they been fairly poor to be honest. But we Liable to give goals away. Time we looked at McEvoy at full back, McKeigue doing OK. But the problem coming further out the field,
In that 1st half Dublin 8 scores from 15 scoring chances and Derry 10 scores from 15.
Sensible refereeing
Softish but a definite penalty.
Penalty to Derry for a push in the back not sure why they delay to give it?
Scored Derry 1-10 Dublin 1-9
Great goal
Very good goal. Fair play derry putting it up to them
Another goal for Derry some finish. they lead by three.
Only one winner now. Dublin are all over the place.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 05:00:45 PMPenalty to Derry for a push in the back not sure why they delay to give it?
Scored Derry 1-10 Dublin 1-9
Was actually for pulling his hand back as he was about to play it.
Think delay was just making sure it was in the box
Some incredible diving from Con today.
Some game this, could go either way.
From a distance the Derry keeper jersey clashes colours. Surprised he hasn't been made to change it.
50 minutes gone and all to play for. Dublin 1-13 Derry 2-11
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 05:06:10 PMSome incredible diving from Con today.
Could use that line for alot of derry players as well.
Come on Derry, finish strong.
Great bit of defending by Murchan.
Can we assume Dublin defence be much tighter in the championship? Derry could/should have 5 goals..
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2024, 05:14:55 PMCan we assume Dublin defence be much tighter in the championship? Derry could/should have 5 goals..
Can imagine so as they won't be retaining the All Ireland be defending in the manner they have done today. Derry leading by three but might rue those missed goal chances yet.
Lane is giving Derry very little!!
Should have been another goal for Derry.
Another goal chance goes to waste for Derry. 65 minutes gone. Dublin 1-15 Derry 2-15
Should have popped that over the bar, keeping it 4 points gap
Dublin won't have to break a sweat coming through Leinster whereas Ulster will be hard won. It's not fair that Clare , who Down beat earlier will be in the Sam Maguire when Down may not be but it's also not fair that the provincials are part of the championship.
A point for Dublin that could have been a goal. 1-16 to 2-15.
Both sides could easily have had 4 goals each, it's like 00s football with proper crowd engagement.
2 points in it and 67 minutes gone.
The witching hour
Derry lead cut to one point as we enter injury time.
Is this the competition no-one wants to win.....
Quote from: sans pessimism on March 31, 2024, 05:30:57 PMIs this the competition no-one wants to win.....
Yes media nonsense.
1-17 to 2-15 with a minute to go.
f**k Conor Lane!
FT Derry 2-15 Dublin 1-18. Derry should be kicking themselves to not win that game in normal time.
That's a terrible call by Lane and one he couldn't wait to give.
Never a free in a million years
No free there whatsoever
Not a free, no chance. Barely touches him.
Great call by Lane
Christ that's harsh.
Never ever a free
Derry robbed there by Lane but they only had to get the kick out away and it was over.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 31, 2024, 05:34:42 PMThat's a terrible call by Lane and one he couldn't wait to give.
Was never a free, though Derry should be home and hosed long before it mattered.
Derry were 4 up on the home straight and Dublin reeled them in. It would remind you of Mayo.
Awful f**king around by Derry all the same
Near took his head off FFS ;D
And not a single person could say that was a softer free than the Derry penalty.
Draw was a fair result overall also.
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 05:35:05 PMNo free there whatsoever
Very soft..
But Derry fecked that up, had possession lost possession won it back and gave away a very soft free
Harsh free but Gilmore coughing up possession there is criminal.
Ah stop, clear as day it was a foul.
Conor bought 3 blatant dives from the Dubs in the 2nd half, though for the most part, Derry were the cause of their own misfortunes.
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2024, 05:36:39 PMDerry were 4 up on the home straight and Dublin reeled them in. It would remind you of Mayo.
Unfortunately yes.
Derry need a freetaker to put over their 50's
It's been a great game. Most likely the last great game until proper knockout in the summer.
Conor Lane remains a poor ref. Derry if they don't go on to win will know they left that Diversion one title behind them with the amount of good goal scoring chances created not taken.
I think the Dubs will win this now, far more strength off the bench, Derry will be running on fumes now and the Dubs have the crowd behind them.
Key moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Highly enjoyable game, no matter what happens in ET.
Fair play to Derry, some turnaround over the past few years. Wouldn't mind a rematch of this later in the summer.
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
What soft penalty? The one were he pulls his arms back when about to shoot?
Devastated at how that ended but to be fair I'd have taken our performance before the game. We're bang in there as a top team!
I hope we can go on and win it. So many good performances and our tactics have been spot on. Rogers has saved his best performance for today so hopefully more to come!
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2024, 05:44:11 PMHighly enjoyable game, no matter what happens in ET.
Fair play to Derry, some turnaround over the past few years. Wouldn't mind a rematch of this later in the summer.
Same as that, just hope Dublin dont get two or three goals in ET and clobber them.
I would say their bench is a lot stronger.
Too .any lads do know to take points to kill the game, why go for a goal when 3 up, christ!
All cards follow through..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:45:00 PMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
What soft penalty? The one were he pulls his arms back when about to shoot?
He pushed him in the back as he was about to kick, clear penalty, Lane was 50 yards away from it.
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
The penalty was the correct call. A game Derry should have won in normal time.
Another nothing free
Jesus lads that was never a few either
Quote from: joemamas on March 31, 2024, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:45:00 PMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
What soft penalty? The one were he pulls his arms back when about to shoot?
He pushed him in the back as he was about to kick, clear penalty, Lane was 50 yards away from it.
Watch the replay the left arm was pulled back, not sure the push was the decision.
But clear penalty. For Lane to be 50 yards away he be at the midfield point, as play was leading towards the 21. He wasn't that far back
Another phantom free on Glass
Reading lips easier than I thought
Justice done with the phantom free being kicked wide.
Quote from: joemamas on March 31, 2024, 05:50:33 PMAnother phantom free on Glass
Nah, he pushed him needlessly for that one as he tried to play the ball.
Phantom free. FFS guys wise up
Again!!!
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 05:54:52 PMPhantom free. FFS guys wise up
His right arm comes round and hits the ball. Yer man knew Glass had the legs so he went down looking the free
I've seen Lynch blown for half the time it takes Comerford to kick the ball out!
Half time in extra time Dublin 1-20 Derry 2-18
Dublin been poor in extra time.
Dublin keeper takes ages and Lane hasn't blown him for it once.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2024, 05:56:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 05:54:52 PMPhantom free. FFS guys wise up
His right arm comes round and hits the ball. Yer man knew Glass had the legs so he went down looking the free
Glass put his hand on his back and pushed. It was a free all day long
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:50:09 PMQuote from: joemamas on March 31, 2024, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:45:00 PMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
What soft penalty? The one were he pulls his arms back when about to shoot?
He pushed him in the back as he was about to kick, clear penalty, Lane was 50 yards away from it.
Watch the replay the left arm was pulled back, not sure the push was the decision.
But clear penalty. For Lane to be 50 yards away he be at the midfield point, as play was leading towards the 21. He wasn't that far back
Contact was very minor, rarely gets awarded, otherwise there'd be a thousand frees a game.
Funny how so many see the soft Dublin frees, but so few see the soft Derry frees 😄😄
Fair play to the Derry lads for really turning up. Hats off to them if they can pull it off, great preparation for the Dubs in any event. Lots to learn for both teams and both will improve as a result of this league final
Some classy scores here.
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 06:00:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:50:09 PMQuote from: joemamas on March 31, 2024, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:45:00 PMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
What soft penalty? The one were he pulls his arms back when about to shoot?
He pushed him in the back as he was about to kick, clear penalty, Lane was 50 yards away from it.
Watch the replay the left arm was pulled back, not sure the push was the decision.
But clear penalty. For Lane to be 50 yards away he be at the midfield point, as play was leading towards the 21. He wasn't that far back
Contact was very minor, rarely gets awarded, otherwise there'd be a thousand frees a game.
Funny how so many see the soft Dublin frees, but so few see the soft Derry frees 😄😄
Fair play to the Derry lads for really turning up. Hats off to them if they can pull it off, great preparation for the Dubs in any event. Lots to learn for both teams and both will improve as a result of this league final
100% agree a proper game of top level football!
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2024, 05:56:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 05:54:52 PMPhantom free. FFS guys wise up
His right arm comes round and hits the ball. Yer man knew Glass had the legs so he went down looking the free
Pity he used his left hand to push him in the back.
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 06:00:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:50:09 PMQuote from: joemamas on March 31, 2024, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 05:45:00 PMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
What soft penalty? The one were he pulls his arms back when about to shoot?
He pushed him in the back as he was about to kick, clear penalty, Lane was 50 yards away from it.
Watch the replay the left arm was pulled back, not sure the push was the decision.
But clear penalty. For Lane to be 50 yards away he be at the midfield point, as play was leading towards the 21. He wasn't that far back
Contact was very minor, rarely gets awarded, otherwise there'd be a thousand frees a game.
Funny how so many see the soft Dublin frees, but so few see the soft Derry frees 😄😄
Fair play to the Derry lads for really turning up. Hats off to them if they can pull it off, great preparation for the Dubs in any event. Lots to learn for both teams and both will improve as a result of this league final
Unfortunately for the rest of us I think the Dubs have more room for improvement.
Glass clearly hits the ball out of his hands on replay
Mannion's missed 2 scoreable frees now.
Dublin need to take Mannion off frees, poor since brought on. Some goal for Derry there.
Some finish there
Super goal.
Dublin no 3 Murphy not in the game.
Can't say that 3rd Derry goal wasn't coming. Dublin regardless what happens today will not what a repeat of their defensive performance in the latter stage of the All Ireland championship.
That Dublin defence 🙈
Some finisher for a centre back!
Derry will need to do a bitta cynical high up the pitch
Derry should have no fear for the summer after this match.
Dublin beat a weak outfit by 21 points last week, but that was in hindsight a bad form marker.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2024, 06:09:11 PMThat Dublin defence 🙈
There's only a handful of teams who decide to test it by playing football.
Foot block? Will need to see a replay.
Fenton a bad boy there!!!
Idiotic from Fenton.
Very much supporting Derry but dirty late dig at fenton there. No need for it.
Jaysus!!!
Thought he was going to get away with that for a minute.
Dublin get the goal. The house always wins
Goal for Dublin level game and the fights break out.
Here lads what a game!!
Nah, that's the sort of slap you take umpteen times a day. Stupid and so unlike him to react like that.
Get in!!
glass gets a taste of his own medicine
Birth of a rivalry here.
Too much drama for one match.
What did small do?
Penalties. Deadly craic.
Stupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
No Derry red cards?
Great stuff!
Are we penos??
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 06:18:00 PMPenalties. Deadly craic.
Glad someone else is going to lose one for a change
Don't care what the woke say these days, an oul scrap does wonders for the entertainment of a game!!
Not sure how Derry lost that.
Dublin have a keeper who's done well for shot stopping so far in this game.
That final will be talked about for some time Dublin 2-21 Derry 3-18. A shoot out to find a winner I would prefer another period of extra time.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:18:04 PMStupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
You get tackled like that 10 times a game, no idea what he's reacting to.
Was it not a square ball before the goal? I didn't get a second look at it.
edit . I see the goal was kosher
Dublin would want Cluxton in nets for this.
What a game and what entertainment.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on March 31, 2024, 06:18:49 PMDon't care what the woke say these days, an oul scrap does wonders for the entertainment of a game!!
Agreed, that game had a bit of everything, there won't be a better one all year.
a great game and there was people saying get rid of league finals
Why was it not a free to Derry for Fentons Red card...
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2024, 06:19:27 PMWas it not a square ball before the goal? I didn't get a second look at it.
Ball came in from play, so no.
Quote from: sans pessimism on March 31, 2024, 06:20:05 PMWhy was it not a free to Derry for Fentons Red card...
Should have been
Could Fenton's red not have been taken back for a free to Derry or would it have to have been called at the time?
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 06:13:56 PMIdiotic from Fenton.
Yeah but don't ignore the dirty dive. Gets shoved and goes down holding his face like he's been punched.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 06:16:48 PMglass gets a taste of his own medicine
Please go away Kerryforsam and all your other aliases.
Your Easter egg hunt must be over
clown
Not sure I'd let Mannion hit a penalty from the Dubs pov.
Shocker from Lane again. He has to come back for the free after the Red card.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2024, 06:19:22 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:18:04 PMStupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
You get tackled like that 10 times a game, no idea what he's reacting to.
Clear closed fist tackle which obviously hurt him.
Will be hard for the Derry wans to play the poor mouth after that game. An All-Ireland contender with a real good chance of winning it this summer.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2024, 06:19:22 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:18:04 PMStupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
You get tackled like that 10 times a game, no idea what he's reacting to.
It was in the goolies. Hence the red mist. But wouldn't have been a red card but for the overreaction to it. Didn't matter in the end anyway.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2024, 06:21:30 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 06:13:56 PMIdiotic from Fenton.
Yeah but don't ignore the dirty dive. Gets shoved and goes down holding his face like he's been punched.
That's what I thought
I thought Lane did very well as ref. Got big calls right but I've a feeling they sneak a peak at the big screen.
People may want more extra time but players are knackered. Penalties now only fair way to end it on the day
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2024, 06:19:22 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:18:04 PMStupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
You get tackled like that 10 times a game, no idea what he's reacting to.
Michael Murphy was famous for them but doesn't mean it's legal
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 06:22:59 PMQuote from: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2024, 06:19:22 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:18:04 PMStupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
You get tackled like that 10 times a game, no idea what he's reacting to.
It was in the goolies. Hence the red mist. But wouldn't have been a red card but for the overreaction to it. Didn't matter in the end anyway.
No it wasn't.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:23:25 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2024, 06:21:30 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 06:13:56 PMIdiotic from Fenton.
Yeah but don't ignore the dirty dive. Gets shoved and goes down holding his face like he's been punched.
That's what I thought
Yeah that fella didn't cover himself in glory. On two minutes and contributes the dive and the punch.
Comerford looks a bit shit at saving penalties.
Dribbled in lol.
Well done Derry!
Derry win on penalties the best team on the day. First Div 1 title since 2008.
Better team won
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 06:24:56 PMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 06:22:59 PMQuote from: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2024, 06:19:22 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2024, 06:18:04 PMStupid for Fenton but is a closed fist tackle not a red?
Great ending
You get tackled like that 10 times a game, no idea what he's reacting to.
It was in the goolies. Hence the red mist. But wouldn't have been a red card but for the overreaction to it. Didn't matter in the end anyway.
No it wasn't.
Jesus a punch to the stomach or the goolies all hurts which is why the red mist.
Fair play to Derry. Fantastic game.
I thought the house always won...
Fair play Derry. Great to see.
Derry winning all around them just like Mickey Harte's first season with Tyrone.
Remember them hoors were in Div 4?
Epic game of football.
And by f**k we needed it after the other games this weekend.
Why can't the rest of the country learn from this?
Derry won that game 3 times and lost it twice but fair play. The quadruple is on.
If you were at that you got your money's worth anyhow. Really enjoyed the drama.
Genuinely one of the worst intercounty penalty performances we've seen since shootouts began
A good win for Derry. It was important to stand up to Dublin.
Well done Derry it's going to take a good team to stop them this summer. Dublin was like watching England take penalties.
Bit of an anticlimactic penalty shoot out. A great afternoon's entertainment, well done Derry. Hopefully that's the last we'll see of Conor Lane.
Well done Derry, deserved win in a tremendous game of football.
Doire fully deserved that. Another step forward. Superb game.
Hard to beat an exciting game, extra time and penalties for dessert.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 31, 2024, 06:29:08 PMJesus a punch to the stomach or the goolies all hurts which is why the red mist.
One hurts significantly more than the other, therefore trying to claim it was the more painful of the two is nonsense, where the presumed intent is simply to try and legitimise Fenton's stupid reaction.
hopefully that shuts up the scrap the league finals brigade for a while.
Good to see Derry not getting carried away at the end either. Great game, intense and ferocious, must be a real joy to come out on the right side of it. However, it's only league and I think it's important that they know that. They've much bigger ambitions, and rightly so.
Quote from: Schkite on March 31, 2024, 06:30:30 PMGenuinely one of the worst intercounty penalty performances we've seen since shootouts began
Derry have had practice and playing in Ulster will probably be at it again before the Spring is out. Dubs don't need to practice for Leinster.
Well done Derry, great game.
What a game. Plenty of bite as well for a game that didn't matter ;)
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 06:33:37 PMhopefully that shuts up the scrap the league finals brigade for a while.
Why? Topping the league should see you win it not having to play another game of football. In a condensed season an extra weeks rest would benefit players especially ulster teams who have a tough series of games.
Jarlath's 4th speech of the weekend, he's some fire in his belly.
I'm a nervous wreck we had that won a few times and let us slip... and had to battle the ref too.
Probably one of the best games of football in a while both teams going at it.
The Dubs have a lot of men to come in but we handled Con Fenton Kilkenny Scully and Basquel very well and I think we still have room for improvement.
The Ulster teams will have a big target on our backs now but will worry about that later. What a game and what a result!
Quote from: Main Street on March 31, 2024, 06:36:55 PMJarlath's 4th speech of the weekend, he's some fire in his belly.
Has a Derry tie on also
That's the first time that a Dublin team has lost a final at home in a long time.
The Derry cap fits well on Mickey.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 06:37:32 PMQuote from: Main Street on March 31, 2024, 06:36:55 PMJarlath's 4th speech of the weekend, he's some fire in his belly.
Has a Derry tie on also
Great speaker, how refreshing.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 05:19:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2024, 05:14:55 PMCan we assume Dublin defence be much tighter in the championship? Derry could/should have 5 goals..
Can imagine so as they won't be retaining the All Ireland be defending in the manner they have done today.
Unless there are retirements, the defensive line has McCaffrey, McCarthy, Gannon, Fitzsimons and Cluxton all to return.
Mccaffrey off the bench is a weapon and kills teams. Big win for Derry confidence but a bit left in the dubs yet too.
Congrats to Derry,
Well done to Dublin, incredibly conditioned and they play football like I like to watch it.
Felt bad for Fenton, seems like decent sort.
As for that tr**p Small ......
Quote from: joemamas on March 31, 2024, 06:42:57 PMCongrats to Derry,
Well done to Dublin, incredibly conditioned and they play football like I like to watch it.
Felt bad for Fenton, seems like decent sort.
As for that tr**p Small ......
Why did small do for his red?
Yeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
The biggest sea change in Derry is in their mentality. It was important that they came home with the trophy today and that will only help by beating the Dubs in their own patch in a national final. It was bigger than either of their 2 Ulster wins in proving that they have the mettle to challenge for an All Ireland.
Quote from: Eire90 on March 31, 2024, 06:33:37 PMhopefully that shuts up the scrap the league finals brigade for a while.
There were some very good matches
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
That game has ended Jarlath's "Save Gaelic Football" committee before it has even met.
Fair play to all involved.
Except Conor Lane. He was shocking.
Off the ball and raised forearm. Clear red.
Very, very unlike him but there's no getting away from it, regardless of whether he was provoked or the Derry man made a meal of it.
As for Small, I have absolutely no idea what he did, but he definitely deserved to see red. Family tradition. Johnny Cooper should have walked as well.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 06:52:32 PMThat game has ended Jarlath's "Save Gaelic Football" committee before it has even met.
Fair play to all involved.
Except Conor Lane. He was shocking.
What more do the critics want.
That game had everything.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 06:19:03 PMNot sure how Derry lost that.
Dublin have a keeper who's done well for shot stopping so far in this game.
They didn't.
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 31, 2024, 06:54:19 PMWhat more do the critics want.
That game had everything.
Seems a load of Tyrone people want frees not to be awarded against teams playing Derry because at some point, possibly not even in the same game, a Derry man might have got away with a foul.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:57:27 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Never a red card, but a foul and a yellow. Play should have been stopped and Derry given a free. The goal should never have happened.
Lads would you ever give over. Fenton charged at him off the ball and hit him with a raised forearm in the neck. No other option than red.
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 07:08:37 PMLads would you ever give over. Fenton charged at him off the ball and hit him with a raised forearm in the neck. No other option than red.
No, not for me. Very soft. The issue is why play wasn't stopped as soon as it happened.
Textbook red. Still feel sorry for him but rules are rules.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:10:27 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 07:08:37 PMLads would you ever give over. Fenton charged at him off the ball and hit him with a raised forearm in the neck. No other option than red.
No, not for me. Very soft. The issue is why play wasn't stopped as soon as it happened.
Caught him high and off the ball, stupid enough but yer man made a meal of it too. Presume Lane was ahead of the incident following the play and the linesman seen it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 07:10:52 PMTextbook red. Still feel sorry for him but rules are rules.
He's more All Irelands than most players have appearances lol wouldnt pity him too much
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:07:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:57:27 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Never a red card, but a foul and a yellow. Play should have been stopped and Derry given a free. The goal should never have happened.
The ref didn't see it, so play continued till a break in play, informed by his linesman's dished out the card.
This is why armchair ref's need to read the rules every now and then
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2024, 06:40:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 05:19:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2024, 05:14:55 PMCan we assume Dublin defence be much tighter in the championship? Derry could/should have 5 goals..
Can imagine so as they won't be retaining the All Ireland be defending in the manner they have done today.
Unless there are retirements, the defensive line has McCaffrey, McCarthy, Gannon, Fitzsimons and Cluxton all to return.
Dublin are missing the old guard. In the build up the media said this team would wipe the floor with everyone. Now they are beat they are missing x y or z. McCaffrey isn't a starter now. McCarthy, cluxton and Fitzsimmons maybe but they are old and will they be an improvement and they haven't played a tap all year.
Fenton silly but Derry man made a meal of it - some Derry lads loved pointing these things out in the past though they'll be quiet about this one I'm sure.
Fair play to Derry - great game and they deserved the victory in the end. Look forward to seeing them play a full strength Dublin in the Summer.
It will be nice to see Derry with their full team out and fit to. Their half back which has been their strength hadn't mc kindkess nor McGrogan near fit.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:16:30 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:07:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:57:27 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Never a red card, but a foul and a yellow. Play should have been stopped and Derry given a free. The goal should never have happened.
The ref didn't see it, so play continued till a break in play, informed by his linesman's dished out the card.
This is why armchair ref's need to read the rules every now and then
How do you know the ref didn't see it?
Are you Conor Lane?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:41:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:16:30 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:07:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:57:27 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Never a red card, but a foul and a yellow. Play should have been stopped and Derry given a free. The goal should never have happened.
The ref didn't see it, so play continued till a break in play, informed by his linesman's dished out the card.
This is why armchair ref's need to read the rules every now and then
How do you know the ref didn't see it?
Are you Conor Lane?
He was looking at the ball. Watch it back
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:47:10 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:41:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:16:30 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:07:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:57:27 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Never a red card, but a foul and a yellow. Play should have been stopped and Derry given a free. The goal should never have happened.
The ref didn't see it, so play continued till a break in play, informed by his linesman's dished out the card.
This is why armchair ref's need to read the rules every now and then
How do you know the ref didn't see it?
Are you Conor Lane?
He was looking at the ball. Watch it back
Tried, but recording cut out just before the incident.
Will get back to you after RTE's coverage.
He was looking at the ball on the last play on normal time and thought he saw a foul. We can conclude he is another ref out of his depth
Ref didn't see it and went on linesman's view. Linesman was wrong.
Great entertainment and credit to both teams. Modern game can be putrid at times but two good teams going at it like that can provide a great spectacle.
Thought Derry deserved the win overall. Dubs seemed to be playing within themselves a bit in the first half and some poor decision making cost them. Thereafter Derry were better and Dubs looked a bit rattled.
I felt there were questions for Mickey with Derry based on his last decade with Tyrone. He struggled to find the right mix between defence and attack, his micromanagement seemed to inhibit attacking players, and he couldn't win big games in Croke Park. The Championship will be where we get definitive answers but there was a lot there for Derry fans to be confident about, and that Mickey is indeed on the right track. Not so good was being 4 up in the closing stages of normal time and 3 up with seconds of extra time left and being pulled back twice. Not being able to close out games was another of the questions. But they can work on that and beating the Dubs, even if it was on pens, will do them a power of good.
Few questions for the Dubs too after that, lost their heads a bit. Felt a bit too much was made of them thrashing a very much weakened Tyrone side, and a poorly set up one at that. They'll have learned an awful lot more from today.
Magnificent game of football. Well done to both teams. Hugely dramatic and enjoyable.
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 07:08:37 PMLads would you ever give over. Fenton charged at him off the ball and hit him with a raised forearm in the neck. No other option than red.
I only ever heard give over in Dublin . Is it also used in Ulster?
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2024, 07:55:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 07:08:37 PMLads would you ever give over. Fenton charged at him off the ball and hit him with a raised forearm in the neck. No other option than red.
I only ever heard give over in Dublin . Is it also used in Ulster?
Is it not used all over the country?
Congrats Derry. For the neutral, that was a thoroughly enjoyable game of attacking football. Derry deserved the win but Dublin will be happy enough too to only lose on penalties. Derry are improving all the time and are playing a nice brand of football. Can they keep that level of intensity up? If so, will be hard beaten.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:49:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:47:10 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:41:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 31, 2024, 07:16:30 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 07:07:15 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:57:27 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 06:49:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 06:48:35 PMYeah felt bad for Fenton. He has lost it twice that I have ever seen - twice against Derry this year too.
Don't think it was a red card and I know it's a cliche but he isn't that type of player.
Raised hands though.
It's not about the handful of the best teams playing good games though. It's the rest.
Never a red card, but a foul and a yellow. Play should have been stopped and Derry given a free. The goal should never have happened.
The ref didn't see it, so play continued till a break in play, informed by his linesman's dished out the card.
This is why armchair ref's need to read the rules every now and then
How do you know the ref didn't see it?
Are you Conor Lane?
He was looking at the ball. Watch it back
Tried, but recording cut out just before the incident.
Will get back to you after RTE's coverage.
I'm going only from what I watched live like you, his position looked forward, he did look round after the incident had happened but played on, I think.
As if he did see it, why not give the free? Then wait to give a red card?
There's no waving flags in live games like soccer, to call a free. The linesman is seen speaking to Lane when it happened on his mic.
Dubs at end, when behind, reminded me of the loss to Mayo a few years ago when Mc Carthy got sent off, really losing the head and looking for a scrap.
Nobody in club football in Dublin, including Shane Walsh, will be surprised that Paddy Small was sent off.
Did the big screen show the replay at the match? I'm pretty sure that's how lane got the Derry penalty call right, by having a little peek
The Dubs not going to get another serious game again until the middle of May. Round 1 All Ireland series group game could be a good time for any top eight team to play them.
Quote from: ONeill on March 31, 2024, 07:51:35 PMRef didn't see it and went on linesman's view. Linesman was wrong.
How do you know ref didn't see it?
Are you Conor Lane?
The biggest problem with Gaelic football is the endless recycling of the ball around midfield areas.
The second biggest problem is that even when we are served up an absolute classic of a match, the majority of comments are about the refereeing.
Lane had neither a good nor a bad game today, certainly not one worthy of lengthy conjecture. He could have awarded a 13m instead of a penalty, nobody would have complained. He could have black carded Shane McGuigan, with 3 mins remaining, and you could see from McGuigan's eyes that he was expecting one. He could have went easier on Fenton but on balance he refereed that passage of play correctly, including the red card. He made a blooper for Dublin's equaliser no doubt. But balance that up with the fact that he facilitated a brilliant, brilliant game of sport.
Leave him alone.
Leave refs alone.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 31, 2024, 07:52:15 PMMagnificent game of football. Well done to both teams. Hugely dramatic and enjoyable.
Really enjoyed it. Result was fair too. A very soft free got Dublin to ET and then another questionable decision got them to penalties.
Dublin were wide open at the back and Derry could have had 5 goals. They'll sort that out when the other players come back
It was a great game.
It might be a false dawn again...but when the big lads are tied up the newer lads are less likely to grab the game.
Quote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 07:17:25 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2024, 06:40:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 05:19:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2024, 05:14:55 PMCan we assume Dublin defence be much tighter in the championship? Derry could/should have 5 goals..
Can imagine so as they won't be retaining the All Ireland be defending in the manner they have done today.
Unless there are retirements, the defensive line has McCaffrey, McCarthy, Gannon, Fitzsimons and Cluxton all to return.
Dublin are missing the old guard. In the build up the media said this team would wipe the floor with everyone. Now they are beat they are missing x y or z. McCaffrey isn't a starter now. McCarthy, cluxton and Fitzsimmons maybe but they are old and will they be an improvement and they haven't played a tap all year.
Yes can't keep relying on the old guard, just because it worked last year doesn't mean history will repeat itself this summer.
Best game of football I've seen in years. Fair play to both teams. Jarlath Burns' victory speech also went into extra time! ;D
True, but you can keep on relying on them till you can't. We'll see soon enough what they bring this year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 08:40:52 PMQuote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 07:17:25 PMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on March 31, 2024, 06:40:14 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 31, 2024, 05:19:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 31, 2024, 05:14:55 PMCan we assume Dublin defence be much tighter in the championship? Derry could/should have 5 goals..
Can imagine so as they won't be retaining the All Ireland be defending in the manner they have done today.
Unless there are retirements, the defensive line has McCaffrey, McCarthy, Gannon, Fitzsimons and Cluxton all to return.
Dublin are missing the old guard. In the build up the media said this team would wipe the floor with everyone. Now they are beat they are missing x y or z. McCaffrey isn't a starter now. McCarthy, cluxton and Fitzsimmons maybe but they are old and will they be an improvement and they haven't played a tap all year.
Yes can't keep relying on the old guard, just because it worked last year doesn't mean history will repeat itself this summer.
True, but you can keep on relying on them till you can't. We'll see soon enough what they bring this year.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2024, 08:27:48 PMThe biggest problem with Gaelic football is the endless recycling of the ball around midfield areas.
The second biggest problem is that even when we are served up an absolute classic of a match, the majority of comments are about the refereeing.
Lane had neither a good nor a bad game today, certainly not one worthy of lengthy conjecture. He could have awarded a 13m instead of a penalty, nobody would have complained. He could have black carded Shane McGuigan, with 3 mins remaining, and you could see from McGuigan's eyes that he was expecting one. He could have went easier on Fenton but on balance he refereed that passage of play correctly, including the red card. He made a blooper for Dublin's equaliser no doubt. But balance that up with the fact that he facilitated a brilliant, brilliant game of sport.
Leave him alone.
Leave refs alone.
I'd agree with a lot of that. On a number of occasions I was calling for Derry frees which weren't given but on the replays they would've been soft frees. I also thought a yellow card would've been enough for Fenton but I can see why red was given. The last free in normal time shouldn't have been given but we can all see that from different angles which the ref doesn't have. Fantastic match, great entertainment. Who knows what the championship will bring but it's just great to see Derry winning a national trophy. We had some brilliant performances but also a few players who know they can do better so we've room to improve also.
Just seeing it now. Why are Dublin such tramps when they are losing a game of football??
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 09:43:47 PMJust seeing it now. Why are Dublin such tramps when they are losing a game of football??
Irony at its best.
Quote from: Tones on March 31, 2024, 09:46:01 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 09:43:47 PMJust seeing it now. Why are Dublin such tramps when they are losing a game of football??
Irony at its best.
Aye. Cancel me sure.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 09:43:47 PMJust seeing it now. Why are Dublin such tramps when they are losing a game of football??
Just seen footage of 4 dubs go after derry's No 2 after the late goal , akin to Arsenal players going after ruud van nistelrooy back in the day.
Might that incident be looked at by the CCCCCCCCC?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 10:00:01 PMQuote from: Tones on March 31, 2024, 09:46:01 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 31, 2024, 09:43:47 PMJust seeing it now. Why are Dublin such tramps when they are losing a game of football??
Irony at its best.
Aye. Cancel me sure.
Or call out your hypocrisy.
Whelo is right, there'll be serious words in the Dublin camp over that nonsense at the end. Having just lost Fenton, going another man down with a chance of ref playing on was crazy.
Don't understand why so many are clamouring for a square ball. Do people genuinely not know the rule?!
Lynch for me is a bit of a particular worry for Derry going forward. He doesn't look comfortable on the ball out the field when he's under anything resembling pressure. Normally he's just linking play with nobody near him but if there's an opponent close and he has to carry it past someone he looks vulnerable. Flapped badly at the ball coming in that gifted Basquel the goal and then for the equaliser he was in no mans land once the second chance came in.
Dublin will still rightly be favourites and McCarthy in particular will be crucial to have back. If all their big guns are firing, still not sure anyone will live with them but knock one or two of them off their stride and they're simply not the same team at all. Con, dives aside, was largely unseen all day and Kilkenny and Fenton were both very quiet.
Small booting mccloskey deserves a ban. Dirty act.
Agree. I still think lynch a potential weakness. Kerry, I think, knew this last year.
Still would fancy Dublin too. Mccaffrey off the bench kills teams and he is a huge miss as much as anyone. Derry will put it up to anyone but a loss in ulster would set them back so they need to navigate that first.
Remember Dublin lost League finals in 2011, 2017, 2020.
The team that beats Dublin will win the All Ireland title but Derry have overcome a big psychological hurdle today by coming out on top in a big game in Croke Park. They're still probably third in a 3 horse race for Sam but they've proven that they will be contenders.
They also seem to have much more strength in depth than previous years, their subs had a big impact today when I expected them to wilt in extra time.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2024, 10:27:36 PMRemember Dublin lost League finals in 2011, 2017, 2020.
2011 Kerry, Mayo 2017 had the opportunity of beating Dublin and found ways to lose I doubt Derry will do the same if given the same opportunity this summer.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 10:24:04 PMSmall booting mccloskey deserves a ban. Dirty act.
Agree. I still think lynch a potential weakness. Kerry, I think, knew this last year.
Still would fancy Dublin too. Mccaffrey off the bench kills teams and he is a huge miss as much as anyone. Derry will put it up to anyone but a loss in ulster would set them back so they need to navigate that first.
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 10:13:50 PMWhelo is right, there'll be serious words in the Dublin camp over that nonsense at the end. Having just lost Fenton, going another man down with a chance of ref playing on was crazy.
Don't understand why so many are clamouring for a square ball. Do people genuinely not know the rule?!
Lynch for me is a bit of a particular worry for Derry going forward. He doesn't look comfortable on the ball out the field when he's under anything resembling pressure. Normally he's just linking play with nobody near him but if there's an opponent close and he has to carry it past someone he looks vulnerable. Flapped badly at the ball coming in that gifted Basquel the goal and then for the equaliser he was in no mans land once the second chance came in.
Dublin will still rightly be favourites and McCarthy in particular will be crucial to have back. If all their big guns are firing, still not sure anyone will live with them but knock one or two of them off their stride and they're simply not the same team at all. Con, dives aside, was largely unseen all day and Kilkenny and Fenton were both very quiet.
Lynch getting a bit of stick but I thought he'd a good game aside from the first goal. I love Lynch, he takes risks all the time, sometimes makes mistakes but it's water off a ducks back and he goes again. His kickouts were brilliant, he's so attacking in everything he does and having watched Derry without him we are a much better team with him. Scullion did well in his absence but is a more traditional keeper.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 10:24:04 PMSmall booting mccloskey deserves a ban. Dirty act.
Is that what happened? Yet to see anything conclusive. Camera focused on him coming out (maybe thought he'd got the goal) and then he swerves off to the right and next time camera is on him a few seconds later he has McCloskey.
On League Sunday they briefly showed three of them running out and they seemed to specifically target McCloskey, so there must have been some previous. Lahiff one of them according to O'Sé. Small obviously not one of them so did he see his teammates in a 3 on 1 and decided they needed some help?
Have seen a lot of commentary online about Glass "putting manners on him" and the like. Not sure I've seen anything to suggest that. Bit of rolling around, nobody bossing anyone else
Quote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 10:40:27 PMhe's so attacking in everything he does.
Is he really? Most of the time he just takes and gives a handpass. You almost never see him attack the way someone like Rafferty (or even Morgan) does.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2024, 10:27:36 PMRemember Dublin lost League finals in 2011, 2017, 2020.
No League finals in 2020.
I *think* that is what I saw. Looked back at their twitter clip from RTÉ a few times. The other boy o'dell was just being annoying. Looked to me like he was kicking / sweeping at mccloskey's legs. Good job it wasn't mulholland or there'd have needed to be an amputation ;D
(Lynch is grand btw just not fantastic. As an outfield spare man I thought Kerry saw him as a weakness last year and allowed him in positions to shoot then closed him down and turned over. )
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 31, 2024, 10:37:17 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on March 31, 2024, 10:27:36 PMRemember Dublin lost League finals in 2011, 2017, 2020.
2011 Kerry, Mayo 2017 had the opportunity of beating Dublin and found ways to lose I doubt Derry will do the same if given the same opportunity this summer.
Before you get on your high horse, They made hard work of today after being in two comfortable positions? Derry have also to navigate a tough province to get seeding.
Also, remember this is the League, it's great to win and for confidence. But it means FA in the summer.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 31, 2024, 10:32:13 PMThe team that beats Dublin will win the All Ireland title but Derry have overcome a big psychological hurdle today by coming out on top in a big game in Croke Park. They're still probably third in a 3 horse race for Sam but they've proven that they will be contenders.
They also seem to have much more strength in depth than previous years, their subs had a big impact today when I expected them to wilt in extra time.
That's probably true but we're legitimately in the top 3 now without question which is just class!
Championship will be a different story McGuinness loves an ambush he'll have something up his sleeve for us!
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 10:43:43 PMQuote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 10:40:27 PMhe's so attacking in everything he does.
Is he really? Most of the time he just takes and gives a handpass. You almost never see him attack the way someone like Rafferty (or even Morgan) does.
Forward kick passing was very good today. He's a goalkeeper, not an outfield player in goals
Quote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 10:57:24 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 10:43:43 PMQuote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 10:40:27 PMhe's so attacking in everything he does.
Is he really? Most of the time he just takes and gives a handpass. You almost never see him attack the way someone like Rafferty (or even Morgan) does.
Forward kick passing was very good today. He's a goalkeeper, not an outfield player in goals
Absolutely, and that shows in his shot stopping compared to the likes of Rafferty.
That result today is a real shot in the arm for Derry. Great to see a bit of fire in the belly again. Plenty to work on but we are inching forward in the right direction.
Also, just to say how good was Jarlath Burns today. A total Gael and the way he conducted the presentations was first class. Well and truly shows up his predecessor as the complete spoofer he was.
Shouldn't the Ref have made Lynch change his blueish jersey?
An exciting game, dramatic finishes to normal and extra time but it's only th'oul League.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2024, 11:17:11 PMShouldn't the Ref have made Lynch change his blueish jersey?
An exciting game, dramatic finishes to normal and extra time but it's only th'oul League.
It was mainly white?
Obviously his eyes were able to tell the difference
Quote from: Mario on March 31, 2024, 10:40:27 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 31, 2024, 10:24:04 PMSmall booting mccloskey deserves a ban. Dirty act.
Agree. I still think lynch a potential weakness. Kerry, I think, knew this last year.
Still would fancy Dublin too. Mccaffrey off the bench kills teams and he is a huge miss as much as anyone. Derry will put it up to anyone but a loss in ulster would set them back so they need to navigate that first.
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2024, 10:13:50 PMWhelo is right, there'll be serious words in the Dublin camp over that nonsense at the end. Having just lost Fenton, going another man down with a chance of ref playing on was crazy.
Don't understand why so many are clamouring for a square ball. Do people genuinely not know the rule?!
Lynch for me is a bit of a particular worry for Derry going forward. He doesn't look comfortable on the ball out the field when he's under anything resembling pressure. Normally he's just linking play with nobody near him but if there's an opponent close and he has to carry it past someone he looks vulnerable. Flapped badly at the ball coming in that gifted Basquel the goal and then for the equaliser he was in no mans land once the second chance came in.
Dublin will still rightly be favourites and McCarthy in particular will be crucial to have back. If all their big guns are firing, still not sure anyone will live with them but knock one or two of them off their stride and they're simply not the same team at all. Con, dives aside, was largely unseen all day and Kilkenny and Fenton were both very quiet.
Lynch getting a bit of stick but I thought he'd a good game aside from the first goal. I love Lynch, he takes risks all the time, sometimes makes mistakes but it's water off a ducks back and he goes again. His kickouts were brilliant, he's so attacking in everything he does and having watched Derry without him we are a much better team with him. Scullion did well in his absence but is a more traditional keeper.
100% agree.
Lynch doesn't get the credit he deserves. What other keeper would you choose for penalties?
His kickouts are top drawer. He's intelligent too, on dub kickouts he covered space, marked men and organised others. Only better keeper in the country is cluxton in my view.
Well done Harte too. Has taken Derry to a Tyrone level.
Has Fenton found another J Barry nemesis in Rodgers,
It does look like a platform for Derry.
We are in the middle of something very special by this team.
Happy enough with the league this year. Obviously would have preferred a different result today, but a bunch of lads who have been at the periphery of the squad in recent times got a lot of game time over the course of the league, and some of those had today their first taste of a high-intensity game with something on the line.
I think some of our younger defenders aren't quite at the level required yet, but I'd be fairly hopeful that today will help bring them on, and, as I said above, I'd be fairly confident that the old guard have another tilt in them this year.
What a performance and result by Derry today,div 1 champions for the first time since 2008.Lets not get carried away though and just look ahead to the Donegal game in few weeks time in Celtic park.
Think that Chrissy McKaigue, the only man to win each of the 4 Divisional titles. Hard believe 5 yrs ago in Ballinascreen. There was only 300 odd supporters at a fball /hurling double header. Surely any lower team got to look at Derry and say why can't we do it too.
Also looking forward to a few years of Dublin/Derry rivalry to come, based on today.
I thought Derry were a little unfortunate to lose out to Kerry in last year's semi-final, and today will certainly add to their self-belief.
Quote from: ONeill on April 01, 2024, 12:14:20 AMWell done Harte too. Has taken Derry to a Tyrone level.
Mickey Harte's first year with Tyrone seniors in 2003.
NFL Div 1 title won
Ulster Title won
All Ireland won
So far in his first year with Derry, one down and two to go if history is to repeat itself.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 12:31:09 AMThink that Chrissy McKaigue, the only man to win each of the 4 Divisional titles. Hard believe 5 yrs ago in Ballinascreen. There was only 300 odd supporters at a fball /hurling double header. Surely any lower team got to look at Derry and say why can't we do it too.
Yeah was at that London game too,a cold frosty day with 12.30 throw in,but it was same at bellaghy,maghera and celtic park home games in div 4 only a few hundred fans present 🥲
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 12:31:09 AMThink that Chrissy McKaigue, the only man to win each of the 4 Divisional titles. Hard believe 5 yrs ago in Ballinascreen. There was only 300 odd supporters at a fball /hurling double header. Surely any lower team got to look at Derry and say why can't we do it too.
Don't think he has a division 2 title (despite finishing top of the league)
What an amazing contest. Very late home, car trouble. The fact that today, we were at Croke Park going hammer and tongs against the Dubs is amazing. We've had 8 years of taking the scenic route, down and up the divisions, to be even in the conversation for the summer ahead is something for these players to be extremely proud of . We talked on the way home of how this can and should be motivation for other counties that, with the right organisation, work rate and team building (because at the end of the day, Gallagher brought these men together and bonded them with the belief that they can do great things) pretty much anything can happen. Micky and Horse have added to the squad. Some of the play for periods in every game this year has been exceptional.
Roll on the Ulster championship. Monaghan, Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal and ourselves will all think they can lift the Anglo Celt. Down, Cavan and Fermanagh good enough to cause an upset or 2 of their day.
He has,won against Westmeath in 2014.
Harte looks justified now with his dummy team in celtic Park a month ago.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 01, 2024, 12:23:43 AMHappy enough with the league this year. Obviously would have preferred a different result today, but a bunch of lads who have been at the periphery of the squad in recent times got a lot of game time over the course of the league, and some of those had today their first taste of a high-intensity game with something on the line.
I think some of our younger defenders aren't quite at the level required yet, but I'd be fairly hopeful that today will help bring them on, and, as I said above, I'd be fairly confident that the old guard have another tilt in them this year.
Would like to have seen Theo Clancy get more game time during league.
Quote from: Itchy on March 31, 2024, 06:23:30 PMI thought Lane did very well as ref. Got big calls right but I've a feeling they sneak a peak at the big screen.
People may want more extra time but players are knackered. Penalties now only fair way to end it on the day
The big screen doesn't show anything remotely controversial or which results in a free, or didn't today anyway. It's frustrating in the ground, but I presume that such incidents aren't shown to ensure no suggestion can be made that the ref used the replay.
The free at the end of normal time, not even remotely a free. Allowing Dublin to take the 45 which lead to the goal after Fenton send off is mysterious to say the least. I thought it should been a throw up ball at least from where that incident occurred. There were 2 High tackles on McFaul and McAvoy which were obvious fouls and Lane let both go.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 01, 2024, 02:18:16 AMQuote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 01, 2024, 12:23:43 AMHappy enough with the league this year. Obviously would have preferred a different result today, but a bunch of lads who have been at the periphery of the squad in recent times got a lot of game time over the course of the league, and some of those had today their first taste of a high-intensity game with something on the line.
I think some of our younger defenders aren't quite at the level required yet, but I'd be fairly hopeful that today will help bring them on, and, as I said above, I'd be fairly confident that the old guard have another tilt in them this year.
Would like to have seen Theo Clancy get more game time during league.
He got enough time to show he's one for the future.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 02:53:32 AMThe free at the end of normal time, not even remotely a free. Allowing Dublin to take the 45 which lead to the goal after Fenton send off is mysterious to say the least. I thought it should been a throw up ball at least from where that incident occurred. There were 2 High tackles on McFaul and McAvoy which were obvious fouls and Lane let both go.
Has already been explained here by a referee. There were plenty of questionable decisions in Derry's favour as well.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 01, 2024, 12:32:21 AMAlso looking forward to a few years of Dublin/Derry rivalry to come, based on today.
Derry very good underage at the minute too. Last year's minors were outstanding.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2024, 08:25:56 PMQuote from: ONeill on March 31, 2024, 07:51:35 PMRef didn't see it and went on linesman's view. Linesman was wrong.
How do you know ref didn't see it?
Are you Conor Lane?
Obviously only Lane can answer that. But watching tv it looked as though Lane was following the play and the incident happened behind him. Linesman had a clear view of it, forearm to the face off the ball, you are giving the ref a decision to make, totally needless thing to do so can be no real complaints.
Much had been spoken and written of Dublin's kicking game prior to The final.
But IMO it was Derry's kicking that was the most incisive and damaging.
This Derry team seems to be expanding in talent confidence and all aspects of the game.
I also noticed that some of our best players yesterday were the young guns.
Murray, Mc Evoy, Doherty.
Looks promising for Derry at the moment
Derry have turned into a seriously good team since 2022.
We beat them twice that season but unfortunately have gone in the opposite direction since.
There is definitely an All Ireland in that team in the near future.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 01, 2024, 01:30:34 AMWe talked on the way home of how this can and should be motivation for other counties that, with the right organisation, work rate and team building (because at the end of the day, Gallagher brought these men together and bonded them with the belief that they can do great things) pretty much anything can happen. Micky and Horse have added to the squad. Some of the play for periods in every game this year has been exceptional.
There's no doubting that Gallagher brought them together and gave them belief and and some incredibly innovative tactics imo.
But we can't disregard the step change in underage performance. From 2008 - 2014, I'm fairly sure Derry won one Ulster minor championship game (against Fermanagh iirc), from 2015 to present they've progressed to the all Ireland series on 7 out of 9 occasions and won 2 all Ireland titles, so the players are there.
Re criticism of lynch, I've been slow to come round to him, but can appreciate how important his creating the overlap is now, he knows his limitations and the risks, but his play making is superb and he's now contributing far more going forward than in his early years where it could the risk reward could be questioned.
Great game and great win for Derry, but there's a long road ahead and we'll hardly get too carried away. The tale of last year's league winners is there to caution us.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 02:53:32 AMThe free at the end of normal time, not even remotely a free. Allowing Dublin to take the 45 which lead to the goal after Fenton send off is mysterious to say the least. I thought it should been a throw up ball at least from where that incident occurred. There were 2 High tackles on McFaul and McAvoy which were obvious fouls and Lane let both go.
you can't make rules up
Why did the ref not give a free after Fentons foul?
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 09:42:45 AMWhy did the ref not give a free after Fentons foul?
Never seen a free given for that situation? Red card was correct call.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2024, 09:49:34 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 09:42:45 AMWhy did the ref not give a free after Fentons foul?
Never seen a free given for that situation? Red card was correct call.
Surely if a player commits a foul, that leads to a red, then it should be a free. Can't see how Dublin still get to take the 45.
Quote from: gallsman on April 01, 2024, 07:17:47 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 02:53:32 AMThe free at the end of normal time, not even remotely a free. Allowing Dublin to take the 45 which lead to the goal after Fenton send off is mysterious to say the least. I thought it should been a throw up ball at least from where that incident occurred. There were 2 High tackles on McFaul and McAvoy which were obvious fouls and Lane let both go.
Has already been explained here by a referee. There were plenty of questionable decisions in Derry's favour as well.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 01, 2024, 12:32:21 AMAlso looking forward to a few years of Dublin/Derry rivalry to come, based on today.
Derry very good underage at the minute too. Last year's minors were outstanding.
Jesus Christ, it was a superb game of football. Why go on about the referee. For what it's worth I thought he was very good but I'm sure he made a mistake or two.
Quote from: Itchy on April 01, 2024, 09:59:40 AMQuote from: gallsman on April 01, 2024, 07:17:47 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 02:53:32 AMThe free at the end of normal time, not even remotely a free. Allowing Dublin to take the 45 which lead to the goal after Fenton send off is mysterious to say the least. I thought it should been a throw up ball at least from where that incident occurred. There were 2 High tackles on McFaul and McAvoy which were obvious fouls and Lane let both go.
Has already been explained here by a referee. There were plenty of questionable decisions in Derry's favour as well.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 01, 2024, 12:32:21 AMAlso looking forward to a few years of Dublin/Derry rivalry to come, based on today.
Derry very good underage at the minute too. Last year's minors were outstanding.
Jesus Christ, it was a superb game of football. Why go on about the referee. For what it's worth I thought he was very good but I'm sure he made a mistake or two.
Because we have to have something to complain about. Can't just be celebrating the good can we
Incident happened, ref didn't see it as he was following the ball.
After the ball went out of play for a 45 he was alerted to the incident and took what he believed was the appropriate action i.e red card.
Then play resumed with the 45.
If a Derry forward hit a Dublin defender off the ball at the same time , got sent off, it wouldn't be a free out for Dublin.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2024, 10:32:54 AMIncident happened, ref didn't see it as he was following the ball.
After the ball went out of play for a 45 he was alerted to the incident and took what he believed was the appropriate action i.e red card.
Then play resumed with the 45.
If a Derry forward hit a Dublin defender off the ball at the same time , got sent off, it wouldn't be a free out for Dublin.
But surely it should be a free in those circumstances, not simply a case of continue irrelevant of the foul.
Referees have been called back, at the next break in play, by umpires and linesmen to discuss off-the-ball incidents, since forever and a day. Some will act on their fellow official's advice and administer cards, some will not. But I don't yet think I've ever seen the previous passage of play cancelled as a result of the retrospective card / cards.
I think some people have been watching too much association football and its bizarre and erratic implementation of VAR, and gotten confused.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:03:05 AMReferees have been called back, at the next break in play, by umpires and linesmen to discuss off-the-ball incidents, since forever and a day. Some will act on their fellow official's advice and administer cards, some will not. But I don't yet think I've ever seen the previous passage of play cancelled as a result of the retrospective card / cards.
I think some people have been watching too much association football and its bizarre and erratic implementation of VAR, and gotten confused.
Nah, common sense really. Throw ball should be the next step at a minimum.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 11:19:25 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:03:05 AMReferees have been called back, at the next break in play, by umpires and linesmen to discuss off-the-ball incidents, since forever and a day. Some will act on their fellow official's advice and administer cards, some will not. But I don't yet think I've ever seen the previous passage of play cancelled as a result of the retrospective card / cards.
I think some people have been watching too much association football and its bizarre and erratic implementation of VAR, and gotten confused.
Nah, common sense really. Throw ball should be the next step at a minimum.
And what if from the resultant passage of play, a high ball goes in, two players challenge awkwardly, then get up off the floor and beat the reed out of each other in front of the referee?
Is it commonsense to ignore that passage of play too and just take the game back to a free for Derry where Fenton's lash out took place?
... or a more likely scenario with modern cynical coaching...
Chrissy McKaigue spots that the linesman is going to call play back, and this passage of play is irrelevant, so takes the opportunity to land a high tackle on Con O'Callaghan.
——
This post is in no way indicative of Chrissy McKaigue's temperament. He's a fabulous baller. This is purely for the purposes of example.
It's crazy the amount of Gaels who haven't a fecking clue about the actual rules!!
But have no problem squealing at the ref!
Read he rules and understand them
Did a rules test the other day, 97% in hurling rules and the best I did in the football rules was 89%
There are some rules on the test that are strange to say the least and not common sense. But don't get confused with soccer
As for a "throw ball at a minimum".
The best technique a team could use to get the ball quickly up field, when protecting or defending a slender lead would be for their corner forward to start wrestling with an opponent in front of the umpires every time the opposition looks ominous.
Should Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
Quote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
Try to win Ulster
Quote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
Enough breaks between games to manage it and looking at form Donegal are their biggest challenge and they have them first day out so worth a good cracking at it for the seeding also
On Conor Lane, I would say every ref gets decisions wrong during a game.
But he has a tendency to get more of them wrong in favour of Dublin. Like for tbe Derry penalty, if that had been Con tackled like that there would have ben zero hesitation and no consultarion needed in giving the penalty.
He has always ben appalling when refereeing Derry IMO, a performance against Galway a few years ago in particlular sticks in mind. By that reference point, yesterday he was fairly even-handed, both teams got some soft frees Dublin got a couple that were nowhere near fouls though.
Hes not alone in that of course the Dubs at home will always have that advantage
Quote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:27:10 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 11:19:25 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:03:05 AMReferees have been called back, at the next break in play, by umpires and linesmen to discuss off-the-ball incidents, since forever and a day. Some will act on their fellow official's advice and administer cards, some will not. But I don't yet think I've ever seen the previous passage of play cancelled as a result of the retrospective card / cards.
I think some people have been watching too much association football and its bizarre and erratic implementation of VAR, and gotten confused.
Nah, common sense really. Throw ball should be the next step at a minimum.
And what if from the resultant passage of play, a high ball goes in, two players challenge awkwardly, then get up off the floor and beat the reed out of each other in front of the referee?
Is it commonsense to ignore that passage of play too and just take the game back to a free for Derry where Fenton's lash out took place?
You can come up with as many obscure scenarios as you want, point is that it doesn't seem right that Dublin get the 45 after one of their players commits a foul that warranted a red card.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 12:58:57 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:27:10 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 11:19:25 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:03:05 AMReferees have been called back, at the next break in play, by umpires and linesmen to discuss off-the-ball incidents, since forever and a day. Some will act on their fellow official's advice and administer cards, some will not. But I don't yet think I've ever seen the previous passage of play cancelled as a result of the retrospective card / cards.
I think some people have been watching too much association football and its bizarre and erratic implementation of VAR, and gotten confused.
Nah, common sense really. Throw ball should be the next step at a minimum.
And what if from the resultant passage of play, a high ball goes in, two players challenge awkwardly, then get up off the floor and beat the reed out of each other in front of the referee?
Is it commonsense to ignore that passage of play too and just take the game back to a free for Derry where Fenton's lash out took place?
You can come up with as many obscure scenarios as you want, point is that it doesn't seem right that Dublin get the 45 after one of their players commits a foul that warranted a red card.
What are the actual rules on that? I'm assuming you have read them
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
Quote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
You want the top seed. Lose it and you could be in a group with Kerry or Dublin which means a preliminary quarter final is more likely and we all know how those teams struggled last year with games week on week
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
But is he not in communication with his supporting officials, i.e. when a linesman witnesses an actual legitimate assault/incident and informs the referee of the incident. It seemed like the linesman saw that happen yesterday.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
But is he not in communication with his supporting officials, i.e. when a linesman witnesses an actual legitimate assault/incident and informs the referee of the incident. It seemed like the linesman saw that happen yesterday.
My thoughts are that the next break in play is the time to discuss these incidents. Linesman sees something and notifies ref, umpire sees same incident from a different angle and has a different opinion.
The ref referees the game as he sees it, if he doesn't see an off the ball incident he can't keep stopping play to consult his officials. He also can't be in ongoing discussions with the other officials as there is a game to referee!
Still on Ref watch.. the decision not to award Toner a free, for the charge in the back, after Murrays shot was saved by Comerford was bizarre considering the what he was giving frees for throughout the game.
Seen it on TV last nite, at that stage I give up trying to work out what he was at, it was a free all day long.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
Don't think he should have stopped it. He got a good bit wrong but got that one spot on.
One of the best games in years and people still want to focus on the referee.
In games like this there's loads going on both on and off the ball, as a neutral I thought the referee had a decent game.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 01, 2024, 03:26:56 PMOne of the best games in years and people still want to focus on the referee.
In games like this there's loads going on both on and off the ball, as a neutral I thought the referee had a decent game.
It's just odd behaviour.
About 1 in 200 last minute hoofs into the box result in a goal.
About 1 in 200 of those happen after a man wins possession clean.
Derry made a mess.
But let's make the ref the focus after making the right call.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
But is he not in communication with his supporting officials, i.e. when a linesman witnesses an actual legitimate assault/incident and informs the referee of the incident. It seemed like the linesman saw that happen yesterday.
Jesus this is nauseating!!
Linesmen do NOT HAVE THE POWER to award a free.
At that point he rest of your point is pointless
1/200 you make that one up? Sure Armagh got 2 in about 5 long balls in against Galway 2yrs ago.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2024, 03:51:12 PM1/200 you make that one up? Sure Armagh got 2 in about 5 long balls in against Halway 2yrs ago.
Okay 1/200 is stretching it.
But the reality is you remember that Armagh outcome so clearly because it happens so rarely.
Re yesterday I don't think I can honestly remember a last minute goal like that i.e a catch and finish, rather than a deflection. Put 7 men on the edge of the square and 7 men on the goal line and it just shouldn't be possible.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
But is he not in communication with his supporting officials, i.e. when a linesman witnesses an actual legitimate assault/incident and informs the referee of the incident. It seemed like the linesman saw that happen yesterday.
Jesus this is nauseating!!
Linesmen do NOT HAVE THE POWER to award a free.
At that point he rest of your point is pointless
I don't he's claiming that the linesman could award a free, just he communicated with the ref and the ref took that into consideration.
I thought it was a solid red card when watching the tv replays but now it looks more of a collision with the Derry player moving towards Fenton and Fenton put his hands up to ward him off.
At the very least its not an open and shut case, so Fenton should gain absolution.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 12:58:57 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:27:10 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2024, 11:19:25 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 01, 2024, 11:03:05 AMReferees have been called back, at the next break in play, by umpires and linesmen to discuss off-the-ball incidents, since forever and a day. Some will act on their fellow official's advice and administer cards, some will not. But I don't yet think I've ever seen the previous passage of play cancelled as a result of the retrospective card / cards.
I think some people have been watching too much association football and its bizarre and erratic implementation of VAR, and gotten confused.
Nah, common sense really. Throw ball should be the next step at a minimum.
And what if from the resultant passage of play, a high ball goes in, two players challenge awkwardly, then get up off the floor and beat the reed out of each other in front of the referee?
Is it commonsense to ignore that passage of play too and just take the game back to a free for Derry where Fenton's lash out took place?
You can come up with as many obscure scenarios as you want, point is that it doesn't seem right that Dublin get the 45 after one of their players commits a foul that warranted a red card.
It might not "seem right" but then your issue is with the rules in this instance, not Conor Lane's application of them. You can't expect a ref to make up rules on the fly because you think the rule as is is shit. Take it up with congress.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
But is he not in communication with his supporting officials, i.e. when a linesman witnesses an actual legitimate assault/incident and informs the referee of the incident. It seemed like the linesman saw that happen yesterday.
Jesus this is nauseating!!
Linesmen do NOT HAVE THE POWER to award a free.
At that point he rest of your point is pointless
I didn't say that linesmen have that power, you seem to like to make things up. I was talking about the specific incident yesterday that ultimately led to the equaliser, where I would have thought the linesman could or should have alerted the ref about the foul by Fenton.
Jesus what was the ref meant to do. Any game I've ever been at if theres been something the ref hasn't seen at the next break in play he'll speak to linesmen umpires and then make the call.
The referee got some things wrong but in a game like that every other referee would have too. Let's hope both teams meet again later in the summer.
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Good angle to show that Lane didn't see the incident at the time. Turn round due to the crowd's reaction
So he turned around, observed a player lying on the ground and an opponent standing over him, but didn't think to stop play to adjudicate.
That seems like good refereeing.
So are you saying you want the referee to stop play every time that situation arises?
So a team on the attack in the final minutes of a game, a player on the defending hits the ground, the crowd reacts, referee stops play, consults all his other officials, nobody seen anything. Play restarts with a free to the attacking team which they aren't allowed to score from and the defending team are now set with everyone back and marking their opponents.
Fair point.
But is he not in communication with his supporting officials, i.e. when a linesman witnesses an actual legitimate assault/incident and informs the referee of the incident. It seemed like the linesman saw that happen yesterday.
Jesus this is nauseating!!
Linesmen do NOT HAVE THE POWER to award a free.
At that point he rest of your point is pointless
I didn't say that linesmen have that power, you seem to like to make things up. I was talking about the specific incident yesterday that ultimately led to the equaliser, where I would have thought the linesman could or should have alerted the ref about the foul by Fenton.
Ok I take it back, explain to me what you think the linesman can do, and whats is his role per rules?
In the game, this incident, the linesman informed him after the incident, but the play continued as the ref was with play. After play the ref took the correct action.
You can't just apply your own rules.
This would be normal in juvenile games at club level or senior
James Horan
"I'm sure Conor Lane is at the heart of discussions,". "It is in any game when it is tight, every call is going to be scrutinised. Think for a second, he refereed the full game. He did 100 minutes basically. It (the pitch) is around 145m by 90m in Croker. The pace and tempo of that game, he is running up and down the pitch all day. Think of the fatigue factor alone, what it would be like for the last 25 minutes of normal time. Then you go into extra-time as well."
"Anyone trying to ref a game of that tempo on that size of a pitch under those conditions, are we giving a ref an impossible job? Think of basketball or other games. Soccer is a smaller pitch with fewer players. Are our umpires and linesmen helping the ref in a game like that? Do they have the power?
"There has to be something done. It is too much for one guy to try and ref that to the level we demand or want in my opinion."
In relation to rules, what excately was the free for for Dublin last point in Normal time.?
A foul on the player passing the ball. If you watch right after the call, Lane clearly indicates that there was high contact from the defender across the neck. The replays are inconclusive about whether it was high or not, but the defender got player, not ball, so it was a foul.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 02, 2024, 01:53:57 AMA foul on the player passing the ball. If you watch right after the call, Lane clearly indicates that there was high contact from the defender across the neck. The replays are inconclusive about whether it was high or not, but the defender got player, not ball, so it was a foul.
It was soft enough at the time I felt, he'd played the ball I think and contact was minimal as his forward motion and opponents contact was unavoidable. Haven't seen it back but ref was clear in his judgement at the time, one view one second to call it.
I went off giving out about refs for lent and will stick with it. Like players, ref's will obviously make mistakes, that's the rub of the green. Hand on heart I don't think a ref ever goes out to go easier on one horse in a two horse race. It's always in my mind too that the ref, during any passage of play will most likely be viewing a passage of play from a different angle than myself.
We were a couple of rows back from the pitch, the speed and physicality of both sets of players was off the charts, pretty much no let up for 90+ mins
What a fantastic game of football.
Both sides at it hammer and tongs from the first ball to the last, it really was as good a match as I've seen in a very long time time. And shure it only the League!
On the ref, I thought he was consistently inconsistent and that's my main gripe with him.
Not only on this game, but on any game I've ever seen him referee.
Of course I'm sure it's not deliberate or anything like that - I just think for what ever reason he gets a lot of calls wrong and is overly fussy.
For what it's worth (and since it seems to be the main incident discussed here), I think he got the Fenton/45 call right.
Back to the game, the most pleasing thing from a Derry perspective is that we have shown we have more than Shane McGuigan in attack AND that our game is well suited to Croke park - two of the main criticisms often made about Derry. I thought our starting full forward line were immense - and our subs carried that on.
Glass and Rogers had fantastic games but Eoin McEvoy was a different level. To score 2-2 from CHB for a young lad and still do his defensive work is something else.
Dublin will probably feel they have more room for improvement, but I'd argue Derry can play better too. There were probably another 3 goals to be had for Derry. Though Dublin probably feel they should have had another one too that went over the bar. Remains to be seen the impact returning players will have for Dublin, household names and pure quality. It might be difficult to integrate them back in and get fully up to speed for championship, but no doubt having the likes of Fitzsimmons, Cluxton and McCaffery available will improve Dublin.
I hope Derry get far enough to have another opportunity to play Dublin in Croke park - the drama would be off the charts.
Some people hate penalties, but the level of intensity they bring to a big game really adds to the atmosphere. It has a little bit of the knock-out feel to it the championship used to have. Luckily Derry have come through on the right side of penalties recently, but I guess if we lose one on penalties I might change my view on them.
Looking forward to the Ulster Championship and I expect Donegal to bring a real challenge to Derry in round 1.
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Quote from: tbrick18 on April 02, 2024, 09:56:24 AMWhat a fantastic game of football.
Both sides at it hammer and tongs from the first ball to the last, it really was as good a match as I've seen in a very long time time. And shure it only the League!
On the ref, I thought he was consistently inconsistent and that's my main gripe with him.
Not only on this game, but on any game I've ever seen him referee.
Of course I'm sure it's not deliberate or anything like that - I just think for what ever reason he gets a lot of calls wrong and is overly fussy.
For what it's worth (and since it seems to be the main incident discussed here), I think he got the Fenton/45 call right.
Back to the game, the most pleasing thing from a Derry perspective is that we have shown we have more than Shane McGuigan in attack AND that our game is well suited to Croke park - two of the main criticisms often made about Derry. I thought our starting full forward line were immense - and our subs carried that on.
Glass and Rogers had fantastic games but Eoin McEvoy was a different level. To score 2-2 from CHB for a young lad and still do his defensive work is something else.
Dublin will probably feel they have more room for improvement, but I'd argue Derry can play better too. There were probably another 3 goals to be had for Derry. Though Dublin probably feel they should have had another one too that went over the bar. Remains to be seen the impact returning players will have for Dublin, household names and pure quality. It might be difficult to integrate them back in and get fully up to speed for championship, but no doubt having the likes of Fitzsimmons, Cluxton and McCaffery available will improve Dublin.
I hope Derry get far enough to have another opportunity to play Dublin in Croke park - the drama would be off the charts.
Some people hate penalties, but the level of intensity they bring to a big game really adds to the atmosphere. It has a little bit of the knock-out feel to it the championship used to have. Luckily Derry have come through on the right side of penalties recently, but I guess if we lose one on penalties I might change my view on them.
Looking forward to the Ulster Championship and I expect Donegal to bring a real challenge to Derry in round 1.
In fairness, he not really CHB. Positions are out the window these days.
Everybody attacks and everybody defends. But Mc Evoy is a very mature player for his age. Physically solid and a great footballing brain.
Derry and Dublin are great at holding the ball and and finding small pockets of space in behind. Great soft hands.
Intensity between fist and second match was night and day.
Div. 1 Final - boths teams wanted to have a rattle and win it.
Div. 2 Final - for the two teams who were top scorers in the league, both teams played as if they didn't want to lose it. Very disappointing.
On the game it was a brilliant match, great intensity and played at a greater level than some finals at championship over the years.
The goals didn't rock Dublin too much, as they came back each time, didn't panic and when they needed to apply pressure it resulted in scores or frees
In fairness Derry didn't panic either, and didn't need a manic sideline to get them over the line, Mickey's been there and done that, missing link?
How Dublin escaped the mini-melee and the final melee after the goal in extra time with a single yellow card is bizarre.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on April 02, 2024, 01:32:57 PMHow Dublin escaped the mini-melee and the final melee after the goal in extra time with a single yellow card is bizarre.
Nothing new in that
How many "card" offenses did James McCarthy commit last year before he was finally given a yellow?
A referee can be bad for both sides, but when the biggest decisions seem to all go one way-that's what upsets people
Quote from: inroundthesquare on April 02, 2024, 01:32:57 PMHow Dublin escaped the mini-melee and the final melee after the goal in extra time with a single yellow card is bizarre.
Couldn't be dishing out cards to the swashbuckling gaa-saving Dubs now, could we?
Quote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 01:36:42 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
You want the top seed. Lose it and you could be in a group with Kerry or Dublin which means a preliminary quarter final is more likely and we all know how those teams struggled last year with games week on week
You want to be in peak condition for the QF and onwards. Derry are not going to go out in the Round Robin. There is a 50% chance of getting Dublin or Kerry in the RR if Derry opt out of Ulster. They can still finish second and have a 33% chance of meeting the other one in the qf. A fresh Derry team could top the RR group without winning Ulster.. It's all about the percentages
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 02:20:54 PMQuote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 01:36:42 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
You want the top seed. Lose it and you could be in a group with Kerry or Dublin which means a preliminary quarter final is more likely and we all know how those teams struggled last year with games week on week
You want to be in peak condition for the QF and onwards. Derry are not going to go out in the Round Robin. There is a 50% chance of getting Dublin or Kerry in the RR if Derry opt out of Ulster. They can still finish second and have a 33% chance of meeting the other one in the qf. A fresh Derry team could top the RR group without winning Ulster.. It's all about the percentages
There is no hope that Derry will opt out of Ulster.
We may rotate players depending on opposition but I fully expect a full Derry side (injuries aside) to be named against Donegal in the first round.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 02:20:54 PMQuote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 01:36:42 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
You want the top seed. Lose it and you could be in a group with Kerry or Dublin which means a preliminary quarter final is more likely and we all know how those teams struggled last year with games week on week
You want to be in peak condition for the QF and onwards. Derry are not going to go out in the Round Robin. There is a 50% chance of getting Dublin or Kerry in the RR if Derry opt out of Ulster. They can still finish second and have a 33% chance of meeting the other one in the qf. A fresh Derry team could top the RR group without winning Ulster.. It's all about the percentages
How do you opt out? Go 3/4 pace? How do those conversations go at training etc? Guys, you've put everything youse have into the last few years, we've a chance of winning 3 Anglo Celts in a row and avoiding Kerry and Dublin in the groups, but...
Quote from: JoG2 on April 02, 2024, 02:49:37 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 02:20:54 PMQuote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 01:36:42 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
You want the top seed. Lose it and you could be in a group with Kerry or Dublin which means a preliminary quarter final is more likely and we all know how those teams struggled last year with games week on week
You want to be in peak condition for the QF and onwards. Derry are not going to go out in the Round Robin. There is a 50% chance of getting Dublin or Kerry in the RR if Derry opt out of Ulster. They can still finish second and have a 33% chance of meeting the other one in the qf. A fresh Derry team could top the RR group without winning Ulster.. It's all about the percentages
How do you opt out? Go 3/4 pace? How do those conversations go at training etc? Guys, you've put everything youse have into the last few years, we've a chance of winning 3 Anglo Celts in a row and avoiding Kerry and Dublin in the groups, but...
Yeah, this is the same narrative as...who cares about the league final...blah, blah, blah.
We basically want to lose.
I would love to see Derry winning Sam but they will need to have everything going right to do it .
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 03:06:21 PMI would love to see Derry winning Sam but they will need to have everything going right to do it .
Do you not think it is going pretty well so far?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 02, 2024, 02:49:37 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 02:20:54 PMQuote from: Mario on April 01, 2024, 01:36:42 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 01, 2024, 11:42:02 AMShould Derry risk injuries and try to win Ulster or opt out to be ready or the big prize ?
You want the top seed. Lose it and you could be in a group with Kerry or Dublin which means a preliminary quarter final is more likely and we all know how those teams struggled last year with games week on week
You want to be in peak condition for the QF and onwards. Derry are not going to go out in the Round Robin. There is a 50% chance of getting Dublin or Kerry in the RR if Derry opt out of Ulster. They can still finish second and have a 33% chance of meeting the other one in the qf. A fresh Derry team could top the RR group without winning Ulster.. It's all about the percentages
How do you opt out? Go 3/4 pace? How do those conversations go at training etc? Guys, you've put everything youse have into the last few years, we've a chance of winning 3 Anglo Celts in a row and avoiding Kerry and Dublin in the groups, but...
Silly talk, much the same as those that was saying "nobody wanted to win the Div 1 title" Derry players and management will aiming to retain the Ulster title no question, if not they will plan accordingly.
There is much talk about the better players Dublin have to bring back in.
Fitsimmons , Mc Carthy, Mc Caffrey.
Which is all well and good, but what weak/poor players are being dropped to accommodate them?
When Dublin beat a 2nd team from Tyrone we were told that Dublin had no weak links at all.
If they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
I wouldn't be sure of that, and i don't think Mickey Harte could be convinced of it either.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:00:11 PMThere is much talk about the better players Dublin have to bring back in.
Fitsimmons , Mc Carthy, Mc Caffrey.
Which is all well and good, but what weak/poor players are being dropped to accommodate them?
When Dublin beat a 2nd team from Tyrone we were told that Dublin had no weak links at all.
Yeah exactly, this was meant to be the new Dublin, the team that beat a full strength Kerry by 10 points. I don't think Fitzsimmons improves them - a lot of hype last year because Clifford kept hitting wides. McCaffrey isn't a starter or even near it anymore. Cluxton is about 45. McCarthy might start but he wasn't the same player last year as he was in previous years (despite his all star) so remains to be seen how he comes back this year. They are all legends of the game but at some point you have to accept they aren't as good as they once were.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:00:11 PMThere is much talk about the better players Dublin have to bring back in.
Fitsimmons , Mc Carthy, Mc Caffrey.
Which is all well and good, but what weak/poor players are being dropped to accommodate them?
When Dublin beat a 2nd team from Tyrone we were told that Dublin had no weak links at all.
Wouldn't call them weak/poor players but If all of Stephen Cluxton, Michael Fitzsimons, Lee Gannon;Jack McCaffrey James McCarthy,Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello are fit/in top shape then I would expect they'll replace Evan Comerford; Seán McMahon, Cian Murphy; Tom Lahiff; Ross McGarry, Killian McGinnis, and Niall Scully in the starting 15 from last Sunday.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2024, 04:20:24 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:00:11 PMThere is much talk about the better players Dublin have to bring back in.
Fitsimmons , Mc Carthy, Mc Caffrey.
Which is all well and good, but what weak/poor players are being dropped to accommodate them?
When Dublin beat a 2nd team from Tyrone we were told that Dublin had no weak links at all.
Wouldn't call them weak/poor players but If all of Stephen Cluxton, Michael Fitzsimons, Lee Gannon;Jack McCaffrey James McCarthy,Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello are fit/in top shape then I would expect they'll replace Evan Comerford; Seán McMahon, Cian Murphy; Tom Lahiff; Ross McGarry, Killian McGinnis, and Niall Scully in the starting 15 from last Sunday.
And how much of an improvement is that.
Outside of Comerford I am not sure you are replacing worse with better
The great hype with Dublin last year and this, was that their great strength was in their depth.
They could bring on players of equal quality to what they were bringing off.
Derry's weakness was the diametric opposite of that. (With which I agree). But the performance of Derry's subs on Sunday would say that has already gone some way in being addressed.
Bit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:27:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2024, 04:20:24 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:00:11 PMThere is much talk about the better players Dublin have to bring back in.
Fitsimmons , Mc Carthy, Mc Caffrey.
Which is all well and good, but what weak/poor players are being dropped to accommodate them?
When Dublin beat a 2nd team from Tyrone we were told that Dublin had no weak links at all.
Wouldn't call them weak/poor players but If all of Stephen Cluxton, Michael Fitzsimons, Lee Gannon;Jack McCaffrey James McCarthy,Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello are fit/in top shape then I would expect they'll replace Evan Comerford; Seán McMahon, Cian Murphy; Tom Lahiff; Ross McGarry, Killian McGinnis, and Niall Scully in the starting 15 from last Sunday.
And how much of an improvement is that.
Outside of Comerford I am not sure you are replacing worse with better
The great hype with Dublin last year and this, was that their great strength was in their depth.
They could bring on players of equal quality to what they were bringing off.
Derry's weakness was the diametric opposite of that. (With which I agree). But the performance of Derry's subs on Sunday would say that has already gone some way in being addressed.
Dublin wouldn't have won last years All Ireland without the return and influence to the team that Stephen Cluxton, Michael Fitzsimons,James McCarthy,Paul Mannion brought. What worked last last year may not be repeated this summer and once the old guard retire where will Dublin be? arguably their senior success was in no small part to their successful U21 teams from 2010 to 2017. Last three Dublin U20 teams didn't win Leinster in comparison.
Since Harte has arrived Derry have added strength in depth to their panel.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
maybe better to meet Dublin in a semi?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2024, 04:47:38 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:27:44 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 02, 2024, 04:20:24 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:00:11 PMThere is much talk about the better players Dublin have to bring back in.
Fitsimmons , Mc Carthy, Mc Caffrey.
Which is all well and good, but what weak/poor players are being dropped to accommodate them?
When Dublin beat a 2nd team from Tyrone we were told that Dublin had no weak links at all.
Wouldn't call them weak/poor players but If all of Stephen Cluxton, Michael Fitzsimons, Lee Gannon;Jack McCaffrey James McCarthy,Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello are fit/in top shape then I would expect they'll replace Evan Comerford; Seán McMahon, Cian Murphy; Tom Lahiff; Ross McGarry, Killian McGinnis, and Niall Scully in the starting 15 from last Sunday.
And how much of an improvement is that.
Outside of Comerford I am not sure you are replacing worse with better
The great hype with Dublin last year and this, was that their great strength was in their depth.
They could bring on players of equal quality to what they were bringing off.
Derry's weakness was the diametric opposite of that. (With which I agree). But the performance of Derry's subs on Sunday would say that has already gone some way in being addressed.
Dublin wouldn't have won last years All Ireland without the return and influence to the team that Stephen Cluxton, Michael Fitzsimons,James McCarthy,Paul Mannion brought. What worked last last year may not be repeated this summer and once the old guard retire where will Dublin be? arguably their senior success was in no small part to their successful U21 teams from 2010 to 2017. Last three Dublin U20 teams didn't win Leinster in comparison.
Since Harte has arrived Derry have added strength in depth to their panel.
Big games are won in and on small margins.
A player only has to lose a very small percentage of their edge and suddenly they are back with the pack.
Dublin were not yards ahead of Monaghan or Kerry last year.
In Sunday papers last week. The article in the IMOS ( cant remember who the writer was) gave Derry no hope whatsoever. The oracle himself Pat Spillane wrote an article for publishing in the Sunday World I think, on the day of the NFL div 1 final . He mentioned only that Dublin were playing in it, he didn't even have enough respect to name who their opposition was.
I am quite sure this dismissive disdain for Derry and all Ulster teams will continue. And i am also very sure Mickey Harte and other Ulster coaches will make hay with it.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
Spillane is a nobody nowadays but still a spoofer. Long left behind by modern football. His articles are very generic with little or no detail.
At least Colm O'Rourke took the reins of his native Meath.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on April 02, 2024, 01:32:57 PMHow Dublin escaped the mini-melee and the final melee after the goal in extra time with a single yellow card is bizarre.
No Derry players carded?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 02, 2024, 05:25:00 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on April 02, 2024, 01:32:57 PMHow Dublin escaped the mini-melee and the final melee after the goal in extra time with a single yellow card is bizarre.
No Derry players carded?
Connor Glass.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:44:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Not in the way they would a big championship game. Did you ever see their backline so loose? Could easily have conceeded six goals. I'd be very surprised if they are as pourous in June/July.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 02, 2024, 08:18:08 AMI went off giving out about refs for lent and will stick with it. Like players, ref's will obviously make mistakes, that's the rub of the green. Hand on heart I don't think a ref ever goes out to go easier on one horse in a two horse race. It's always in my mind too that the ref, during any passage of play will most likely be viewing a passage of play from a different angle than myself.
We were a couple of rows back from the pitch, the speed and physicality of both sets of players was off the charts, pretty much no let up for 90+ mins
Was not there on Sunday, but that was also my initial reaction after being at the all-Ireland last year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
Not true. Semi-finals pairing are based on a draw, unless two of the four have met in the group stages, I.E Derry v Monaghan met in group stages in 2023, therefore no need for a draw for semis.
Quote from: joemamas on April 02, 2024, 06:30:37 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
Not true. Semi-finals pairing are based on a draw, unless two of the four have met in the group stages, I.E Derry v Monaghan met in group stages in 2023, therefore no need for a draw for semis.
There was still a draw last year iirc as Dublin v Derry, and Kerry v Monaghan would have been acceptable pairings.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 06:20:21 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:44:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Not in the way they would a big championship game. Did you ever see their backline so loose? Could easily have conceeded six goals. I'd be very surprised if they are as pourous in June/July.
In fairness Kerry in the league could have had a couple more goals against Dublin, Clifford blasted a couple over and butchered another one wide.
Expect them to tighten up for Championship, only conceded one goal through the whole of the Round Robin & Knockout stages. Cluxton likely being back too will help.
Was no such talk in media about a penalty shootout not a fair way to settle a GAA match after Armagh lost 3 shootouts over past 2 years in the Championship however as soon as it's the Dubs who lost a league final in that manner the questions come out.
I think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 06:20:21 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:44:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Not in the way they would a big championship game. Did you ever see their backline so loose? Could easily have conceeded six goals. I'd be very surprised if they are as pourous in June/July.
So you do think they weren't playing to win?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 06:20:21 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:44:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Not in the way they would a big championship game. Did you ever see their backline so loose? Could easily have conceeded six goals. I'd be very surprised if they are as pourous in June/July.
So you do think they weren't playing to win?
They wouldn't have celebrated like they just won the World Cup lol!. I don't think they were overly bothered.
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
I still think it is a limited assessment of skill, and an excellent team with a dodgy goalie could lose out. Perhaps 3 penalties and 3 45s?
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 07:33:40 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 06:20:21 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:44:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Not in the way they would a big championship game. Did you ever see their backline so loose? Could easily have conceeded six goals. I'd be very surprised if they are as pourous in June/July.
So you do think they weren't playing to win?
They wouldn't have celebrated like they just won the World Cup lol!. I don't think they were overly bothered.
Do you think someone celebrated like they won the world cup?
Who was that?
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's happened a few times in big games now. Definitely a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
Sure I'm not alone when I say I haven't warmed to penalty shootouts to decide a GAA match. Would have prefer another period of extra time on Sunday or first score wins.
Quote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
That is incorrect, hi.
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 02, 2024, 07:36:01 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
I still think it is a limited assessment of skill, and an excellent team with a dodgy goalie could lose out. Perhaps 3 penalties and 3 45s?
Teams have over 75 mins in the game and about 25 mins in extra time.
Loads of opoortunity for skill there...like kicking the ball over the bar one more time than the opposition.
I'm sure the players are wrecked after
about 100 mins of high intensity stuff.
It's a skill as some can do it while others can't.
The final point is that every team, management and supporter knows this is the game lay-out well in advance.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 08:33:58 PMQuote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
That is incorrect, hi.
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.
Explain to me recovery time.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 08:33:58 PMQuote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
That is incorrect, hi.
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.
It is far from incorrect. Do you think any team will go out to lose a game? Teams may be at different points in their training cycle and able to peak at different times. Better teams, or teams with more fortuitous draws, will aim to peak later as they know they'll be there whereas teams who will be scrapping from the start will have to peak as early as possible.
Quote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 08:33:58 PMQuote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
That is incorrect, hi.
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.
That's a very good balance in my view. Plenty of games with an average of one match every 10 days which is certainly not an excessive load. Everybody knows their match programme in advance and can tailor the training load to suit. Or maybe some would prefer to return to the days of waiting around for 4 weeks between matches.
The irony is that if counties weren't playing games week on week, these managers would be replacing them with extra training weekends and in-house games anyway.
Most county footballers now can hold a base level of fitness practically all year round anyway and certainly none of the top teams will have a major competitive edge in that department, it will more likely to be in the quality of player and technical skill that the difference will be most noticeable.
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
They're a scourge on the game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 02, 2024, 09:16:33 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
They're a scourge on the game.
Best way to resolve it?
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 03:19:34 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 03:06:21 PMI would love to see Derry winning Sam but they will need to have everything going right to do it .
Do you not think it is going pretty well so far?
Yes. the championship hasn't even started
Division 1 - 2024 (beating Dublin)
Division 2 - 2013 (beating Westmeath)
Division 3 - 2021 (beating Offaly)
Division 4 - 2019 (beating Leitrim)
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Derry getting stronger. But 3 of their better men on the U-17 2020 team only Murray and Gilmore starting games at the minute which probably a sign of a experienced team to start with. Downey who was the best player on that team only bck after multi long injuries, but I feel he can make a different up front in the nxt few yrs if he stays injury free. Higgins to me has something to offer in the nxt few yrs too. But the best underage player I see coming up is Danny McDermot who only 18, so Derry do have players coming, Along with the previous 2 years of minors the likes of Rodgers and McKinless, Bradley drop off In 4yrs time. Had McAvoy and Murray been playing against Down U20 last year I feel we won that game. Silly of Gallagher playing them against Fermanagh when they weren't needed.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 07:57:18 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 07:33:40 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 07:30:38 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 06:20:21 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:44:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 04:42:46 PMBit of an overreaction to Derry's 'win'... it was a draw fulltime and extra-time and Dublin won't be so pourous come championship. However I think that's Derry's full hand albeit impressive.
You think Dublin were not playing to win?
Not in the way they would a big championship game. Did you ever see their backline so loose? Could easily have conceeded six goals. I'd be very surprised if they are as pourous in June/July.
So you do think they weren't playing to win?
They wouldn't have celebrated like they just won the World Cup lol!. I don't think they were overly bothered.
Do you think someone celebrated like they won the world cup?
Who was that?
Best to smile and scroll on...sock puppetry #tootsayer
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 10:08:32 PMDerry getting stronger. But 3 of their better men on the U-17 2020 team only Murray and Gilmore starting games at the minute which probably a sign of a experienced team to start with. Downey who was the best player on that team only bck after multi long injuries, but I feel he can make a different up front in the nxt few yrs if he stays injury free. Higgins to me has something to offer in the nxt few yrs too. But the best underage player I see coming up is Danny McDermot who only 18, so Derry do have players coming, Along with the previous 2 years of minors the likes of Rodgers and McKinless, Bradley drop off In 4yrs time. Had McAvoy and Murray been playing against Down U20 last year I feel we won that game. Silly of Gallagher playing them against Fermanagh when they weren't needed.
Wasn't Eoin McEvoy on that Derry U17 All-Ireland winning team?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 02, 2024, 09:16:33 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
They're a scourge on the game.
I think there's bigger issues in the GAA.
I can't see it being re-visited now.
Yes McEvoy on it. https://derrygaa.ie/derry-crowned-all-ireland-minor-champions/ (https://derrygaa.ie/derry-crowned-all-ireland-minor-champions/)
Penalties only way to do it with calendar so compressed. No way for example could you have had a replay on Sunday plus it wouldn't be fair flogging them with more extra time.
I've no issues with penalties, I actually like the drama that it brings and I know we've suffered more than anyone with 3 big shoot out defeats in the last 2 seasons.
If you haven't done enough to win the game in 90-100 minutes of football then you can have no complaints afterwards. It's also a good test of nerve and skill.
Penalties are a scourge copied from soccer. No big deal on Sunday for league final but to decide a championship game on penalties is appalling.. totally demeaned last years Ulster final.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 10:53:35 PMPenalties are a scourge copied from soccer. No big deal on Sunday for league final but to decide a championship game on penalties is appalling.. totally demeaned last years Ulster final.
If they went to a replay I've a feeling you'd have yapped about the grab all association and how the referee gave Dublin a soft free to force a replay.... am I close?
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 10:53:35 PMPenalties are a scourge copied from soccer. No big deal on Sunday for league final but to decide a championship game on penalties is appalling.. totally demeaned last years Ulster final.
LOL no it didn't
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 02, 2024, 09:16:33 PMQuote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 07:04:02 PMI think people have got on to penalties now. It's not an issue anymore.
Finishing the game on the day, after extra-time and penalties is fine.
It's hapoened a few times in big games now. Definately a lottery but good entertainment for all.
Everybody knows the drill now.
They're a scourge on the game.
They are for Armagh. The other 31 counties have no problem.
The funny thing is penalties were invented in Armagh.
Quote from: markl121 on April 02, 2024, 11:05:05 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 10:53:35 PMPenalties are a scourge copied from soccer. No big deal on Sunday for league final but to decide a championship game on penalties is appalling.. totally demeaned last years Ulster final.
LOL no it didn't
The great history of Ulster championship finals reduced to a penalty shoot-out. At least replay a final. Lol it did.
Agreed. While a penalty shoot-out is exciting it's no way to end a gaelic match. 45s perhaps.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 02, 2024, 11:04:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 02, 2024, 10:53:35 PMPenalties are a scourge copied from soccer. No big deal on Sunday for league final but to decide a championship game on penalties is appalling.. totally demeaned last years Ulster final.
If they went to a replay I've a feeling you'd have yapped about the grab all association and how the referee gave Dublin a soft free to force a replay.... am I close?
Not even close... GAA had replays for 100 years plus then it seemed penalties were introduced during Covid year to get games completed. Unfortunately they've been kept on. I don't really care about that league final on Sunday but to see the Anglo Celt Cup won on a penalty shoot-out or county and club teams totally eliminated from a championship on penalties, no I don't agree.
Is the next step penalties to decide who wins the Sam Maguire Cup if its a draw? Jees!
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on April 02, 2024, 11:33:23 PMAgreed. While a penalty shoot-out is exciting it's no way to end a gaelic match. 45s perhaps.
Why is this any different? I thought the main objection to penalties was that it wasn't fair to lose a game that way?
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 07:44:16 AMQuote from: Armagh4sam2024 on April 02, 2024, 11:33:23 PMAgreed. While a penalty shoot-out is exciting it's no way to end a gaelic match. 45s perhaps.
Why is this any different? I thought the main objection to penalties was that it wasn't fair to lose a game that way?
Precisely.
I am no fan if penalties but why would 45s be better.
Quote from: Derryman forever on April 03, 2024, 07:51:45 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 07:44:16 AMQuote from: Armagh4sam2024 on April 02, 2024, 11:33:23 PMAgreed. While a penalty shoot-out is exciting it's no way to end a gaelic match. 45s perhaps.
Why is this any different? I thought the main objection to penalties was that it wasn't fair to lose a game that way?
Precisely.
I am no fan if penalties but why would 45s be better.
5 players taking 45s is down to different players, one goalie plays an excessive role in the success of penalties. A team is not measured by one player alone.
Makes no difference, if its penalties or 45's or a one one one match up they'll all end up as a difficult loss.
The games have to be finished on the day/night no point dragging people half way round the country for replays anymore, the cost of that alone and within the football/hurling calendar it near impossible to find a space come championship.
Even at club level come championship in counties that have dual players it's a massive drain on players fitness and injuries
GAA has been using penalties in the game for as long as I can remember, its not like they have copied anyone in that regard, its now being used to finish the game, seen a game where it was either 45's or frees from the 21 when this all came about, they would have been there all night, in fact the game was cancelled by the chairman and replayed to much fanfare at the time.
Kicking a 45 only becomes a skill if you've got the kicking length to achieve the outcome. Up to that, it's not a skill. Just one of those things most of us cannot do.
Change the calendar to allow one replay ffs. If it means teams playing 3 weeks in a row so be it. If its still level after extra time in a replay then ok penalties are fair enough or else next score wins.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 03, 2024, 09:13:35 AMChange the calendar to allow one replay ffs. If it means teams playing 3 weeks in a row so be it. If its still level after extra time in a replay then ok penalties are fair enough or else next score wins.
Draw up a calendar that fits everything in and let's have a look at it.. it's bad enough clubs are without their players during the league but you're willing that they are flogged to death over multiple replays (possibly) to eventually go to penalties?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 03, 2024, 09:13:35 AMChange the calendar to allow one replay ffs. If it means teams playing 3 weeks in a row so be it. If its still level after extra time in a replay then ok penalties are fair enough or else next score wins.
Which match or weekend in the next few months would you like to change to allow this one replay?
Wouldn't matter what was done, boys would find something to gripe about.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on April 03, 2024, 09:24:12 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 03, 2024, 09:13:35 AMChange the calendar to allow one replay ffs. If it means teams playing 3 weeks in a row so be it. If its still level after extra time in a replay then ok penalties are fair enough or else next score wins.
Which match or weekend in the next few months would you like to change to allow this one replay?
Wouldn't matter what was done, boys would find something to gripe about.
It's what we do! It's a dear aul year going to the games, I'm not complaining, definitely not, but hauling a car load back to Dublin for a replay... Kerching. Something has to give.
Would you feel the same but for your own county's record in shootouts?
Season too compressed - the league is fine to decide on penalties tbh. Although some here may have complained if the opposite outcome ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2024, 09:34:57 AMWould you feel the same but for your own county's record in shootouts?
Season too compressed - the league is fine to decide on penalties tbh. Although some here may have complained if the opposite outcome ;D
To be I can can remember standing on the Hill in 2022 at full time saying neither team deserved to lose that game on penalties whichever way it went.
Season should be pushed back a bit anyway, club championships didn't start in Armagh til well into August last year and I assume most counties the same.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 03, 2024, 09:48:25 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2024, 09:34:57 AMWould you feel the same but for your own county's record in shootouts?
Season too compressed - the league is fine to decide on penalties tbh. Although some here may have complained if the opposite outcome ;D
To be I can can remember standing on the Hill in 2022 at full time saying neither team deserved to lose that game on penalties whichever way it went.
Season should be pushed back a bit anyway, club championships didn't start in Armagh til well into August last year and I assume most counties the same.
Draw up a calendar and show me how it fits in? This logic of push it back and assuming?? There are people that have looked at this as their job with regards to fixing dates to suit every aspect of our sports, not just Armagh's abysmal effort at not wining games in normal time/extra time and ability in penalty shootouts
They killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
You know we have penalties in GAA?
I dont get people saying GAA is copying soccer.
You would think we are bringing something completely foreign in to finish a game.
Penalties is a skill of the game so why not use this skill to decide a winner?
Other alternative would be shooting from say 30 yards out but again that is down to carrying out a skill of the game.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2024, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
You know we have penalties in GAA?
I'm talking bout penalty shoot-outs, but you know that.
Quote from: Taylor on April 03, 2024, 10:41:09 AMI dont get people saying GAA is copying soccer.
You would think we are bringing something completely foreign in to finish a game.
Penalties is a skill of the game so why not use this skill to decide a winner?
Other alternative would be shooting from say 30 yards out but again that is down to carrying out a skill of the game.
Aye I don't like them in soccer either! Also used to have replays...
The 45s thing is balls... everyone can hit a penalty but who wants to watch 7 lads miss 45 with varying degrees of terrible kicks?
I don't care much for penatlies but there is no other option. When you talk about "add another week" then you have to do that for the NFL, all 4 provinces and the All Ireland final so that's potentially an extra 6 weeks!
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:41:59 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2024, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
You know we have penalties in GAA?
I'm talking bout penalty shoot-outs, but you know that.
But its ok to 'ape' soccer in having penalties but not the shoot outs?
Not making any sense, replays are not able to fit in unless we go back to the days when you had one bite at the cherry, those days are gone now.
Some of the best memories of playing were championship replays I was involved in, something special about them.
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 03, 2024, 11:05:54 AMSome of the best memories of playing were championship replays I was involved in, something special about them.
Yes they are great, remember being manager in one game and the momentum had switched and had the game went to extra time, (clubs finals went to replay no extra time) they would have beaten us! at club level I was involved in a third replay. I was the ref and the tension between both teams going into the game was intense, resulting in me heading to both camps during the week to 'chat' about the game, but it did end up extending the championship, meaning teams were going week on week to the final and straight in to Ulster club, no rests.
So while you're in the throws of the excitement of it, the wake of delayed games off the back of it have ripple effects further down the road
Get her
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2024, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
You know we have penalties in GAA?
And yellow and red cards which also came from soccer. Abolish those too and lets go back to booking players, we can't be seen to be copying the soccer.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 03, 2024, 11:16:36 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2024, 10:34:33 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
You know we have penalties in GAA?
And yellow and red cards which also came from soccer. Abolish those too and lets go back to booking players, we can't be seen to be copying the soccer.
Ok we'll agree to disagree. I think penalty shoot-outs are awful whatever sport. Others are ok with them. So be...
for those wanting replays - and believe me there have been times int he last 2 years I wanted replays haha - what do you do if its a draw at the end of the replay? Another one? Toss a coin?
I'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
Quote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
Just give no frees during that period for 'rough play' lol!
Tech fouls like steps and so on, yes that's a blunder, but ya gotta earn that golden score!
Be like Running Man ;D
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 03, 2024, 11:05:54 AMSome of the best memories of playing were championship replays I was involved in, something special about them.
I cant believe what I'm reading. For years people complained about replays because:
1) Expense involved for fans (grab all association!)
2) Fixture congestion (clubs not getting county players back, etc)
Now that we have a system in place that has been widely accepted across any amount of team sports for decades, people want to go back to the old way!!
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
I'd be an advocate of using alphabetical order to determine who wins. -
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:08:45 PMQuote from: Keyser soze on April 03, 2024, 11:05:54 AMSome of the best memories of playing were championship replays I was involved in, something special about them.
I cant believe what I'm reading. For years people complained about replays because:
1) Expense involved for fans (grab all association!)
2) Fixture congestion (clubs not getting county players back, etc)
Now that we have a system in place that has been widely accepted across any amount of team sports for decades, people want to go back to the old way!!
+1.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2024, 09:00:10 AMMakes no difference, if its penalties or 45's or a one one one match up they'll all end up as a difficult loss.
The games have to be finished on the day/night no point dragging people half way round the country for replays anymore, the cost of that alone and within the football/hurling calendar it near impossible to find a space come championship.
Even at club level come championship in counties that have dual players it's a massive drain on players fitness and injuries
GAA has been using penalties in the game for as long as I can remember, its not like they have copied anyone in that regard, its now being used to finish the game, seen a game where it was either 45's or frees from the 21 when this all came about, they would have been there all night, in fact the game was cancelled by the chairman and replayed to much fanfare at the time.
Yeah I agree.
I personally like penalties. I've seen the Tyrone club championship won on penalties, Ulster championship and the now the Div 1 League. The drama and excitement adds to the experience in my view.
By having replays, there's additional cost to supporters and during a cost of living crisis where attendance at games is already expensive there'd be a huge outcry about the Grab All Association fleecing the regular supporter.
Also, in the past we've all seen replays that have been complete one-sided affairs after the underdog missed their opportunity the first day - which in my view is unfair on the underdog.
Using 45s is no better than penalties. I'd argue penalties are better as you're testing the skill of the keeper AND the penalty taker. It's also a test on being able to hold your nerve.
No matter what approach is taken to get a winner from a drawn game, there'll always be some people who are not happy. There doesnt seem to be any movement from Croke Park or the new President on doing away with penalties, so they are here to stay. Embrace it I say.
It's always horrible to get beat - in the old days one defeat in championship and you're gone. Then the back door came along, then super 8s, now the new setup. How many chances do teams need to win?
I know I've mentioned it before on the board, but...
Once you're able to change your mindset about drawn knockout matches away from that of "we didn't lose, so we deserve another shot", and over to "we didn't win, so don't deserve to go through", then it becomes so much easier to accept penalties. It promotes a zen like calm about results.
I doubt it'll ever happen, but if the culture of the GAA could ever be keeled in this direction, we would be a much happier tribe of people.
Repeat after me: "We did not win the match. So we do not deserve to go through".
Quote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
Wouldnt be much fun trying to get a golden score if you are playing into a gale force wind
Quote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
I agree - anything but penalties. It just seems an unfair way to decide any game let alone a final.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
Quote from: Taylor on April 03, 2024, 02:19:20 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
Wouldnt be much fun trying to get a golden score if you are playing into a gale force wind
Or with an inconsistent referee who blows a free incorrectly and the game is lost based on that.
Penalties have much less risk of allowing other factors influence the result.
And is a golden score (goal) not something that used to exist in soccer? Surely we wouldn't be going down the soccer road! ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 03, 2024, 02:52:11 PMQuote from: Taylor on April 03, 2024, 02:19:20 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
Wouldnt be much fun trying to get a golden score if you are playing into a gale force wind
Or with an inconsistent referee who blows a free incorrectly and the game is lost based on that.
Penalties have much less risk of allowing other factors influence the result.
And is a golden score (goal) not something that used to exist in soccer? Surely we wouldn't be going down the soccer road! ;D
Toss a coin to decide direction of play. Youve played a whole match with that ref, deal with it.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 02:58:40 PMToss a coin to decide direction of play. Youve played a whole match with that ref, deal with it.
You've had a whole match and extra time with the opposition team and that ref. Why should you keep playing?
I am not mad about penalties personally - think about the Dublin/Meath saga 1991, there would only have been 1 game if penalties in situ.
But in a chaotic fixtures system it is probably the only answer.
Maybe penalties after the 3rd replay? ;D
Quote from: gallsman on April 03, 2024, 03:09:28 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 02:58:40 PMToss a coin to decide direction of play. Youve played a whole match with that ref, deal with it.
You've had a whole match and extra time with the opposition team and that ref. Why should you keep playing?
for a golden score
Quote from: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 08:44:47 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 08:33:58 PMQuote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
That is incorrect, hi.
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.
Explain to me recovery time.
Players are more likely to get injured. When they do , they are less likely to recover in time for whenever they are needed. Last year teams playing the preliminary qf played 3 weekends out 4.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 02, 2024, 08:51:15 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 08:33:58 PMQuote from: HiMucker on April 02, 2024, 05:19:50 PMQuote from: seafoid on April 02, 2024, 04:16:08 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on April 02, 2024, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 02, 2024, 04:03:52 PMIf they do win the ulster 1st seed. They be destined to met Dublin in a semi if they top the group qualifiers and win their quarter final. If they lost in Ulster and did draw in Kerry Dublin section in the qualifiers they might be better placed to avoid Dublin to the final If they managed to progress that far, food for thought.
My thoughts:
You might be able to manage to lose a game here or there.
But that will only make the management of winning them more problematic.
Try to win every game and you will lose the unwinnable anyway
Trying to win every game isn't necessarily the best approach in the new system
There is a not a single team that won't be trying to win every single championship match they are involved in. This talk around peaking at the right time is getting a bit mental. It's far more to do with training load than matches. If it's impact injuries you are worried about, you are nearly as likely to sustain them in training as a match, given the intensity teams be going at it in training.
That is incorrect, hi.
Amateur teams cannot go at full tilt from now until the Hogan steps. There is no recovery time. Padraic Joyce said on RTE that a team playing pre season and ending up in the all Ireland final would play 18 matches in around 25 weeks.
It is far from incorrect. Do you think any team will go out to lose a game? Teams may be at different points in their training cycle and able to peak at different times. Better teams, or teams with more fortuitous draws, will aim to peak later as they know they'll be there whereas teams who will be scrapping from the start will have to peak as early as possible.
There are 5 Ulster teams between NFL Division 1 and the top 2 in divison 2.
Only one can win ulster. The others will have no control over which round robin group they end up in. They may end up in a preliminary qf and have to play a few weekends in a row. Round Robin Group winners get a break between the last group game and the quarter final. 3 out of 4 Round Robin group winners won their qf last year. Armagh were beaten on penalties.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 02:58:40 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 03, 2024, 02:52:11 PMQuote from: Taylor on April 03, 2024, 02:19:20 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 03, 2024, 11:59:31 AMI'd be an advocate of playing a period of extra time and then if it is a draw, restart on a golden score. I realise that this would bring issues in terms of "soft" frees and the players are completely wrecked... but I really hate penalties ;D
Wouldnt be much fun trying to get a golden score if you are playing into a gale force wind
Or with an inconsistent referee who blows a free incorrectly and the game is lost based on that.
Penalties have much less risk of allowing other factors influence the result.
And is a golden score (goal) not something that used to exist in soccer? Surely we wouldn't be going down the soccer road! ;D
Toss a coin to decide direction of play. Youve played a whole match with that ref, deal with it.
You've played a whole match with a ref, weather conditions, injuries etc and neither one of you could win.
Penalties to decide it - deal with it.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
50% is not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!
The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
50% is not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!
50% is not a good stat when it means 30000 did not bother with the replay
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2024, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!
The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.
Replays will not be coming back (certainly at least in the early rounds of championship) so its probably pointless trying to make an argument for them based on nostalgia. We are going back to an era when you might only have 2 championship games per year and there was at least some kind of an appetite for replays in certain quarters. This is no longer the case and there is nothing as anti climactic as a draw in a big championship match knowing that you may have to expend the same time and incur the same expense one week later if you want to watch the same two teams again.
Quote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2024, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!
The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.
Don't think minor game would have much of a
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 08:54:11 AMQuote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2024, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 03, 2024, 02:41:31 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 03, 2024, 12:20:42 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 03, 2024, 10:28:03 AMThey killed the golden goose with too many games in too short a time. Rem 2005 Tyrone replay against Down in the Marshes great game especially if you were a Down supporter! 2003 brilliant Ulster final went to a replay, Dublin-Meath epic 4 games in '91. Penalties are an aberration on Gaelic games, apeing soccer. People went to the replays.
The Tyrone- Armagh first game in 2005 got 60k.
The replay got 30k in a nearly two thirds empty Croke Park.
People did not go to the replays in anywhere near the same numbers.
Only 30,000! That's quite a crowd. Would have filled Clones rightly for an Ulster final replay.
or 50% of people who went to the original didnt go to the replay. Not a good stat
50% not a good stat if there were 30,000 at the first game! Lies, damn lies and statistics!
The first game was on Sunday, the second on Saturday. The first had a minor game, the second did not.
The minor game wouldn't have had much of an impact on the attendance surely.
Replays will not be coming back (certainly at least in the early rounds of championship) so its probably pointless trying to make an argument for them based on nostalgia. We are going back to an era when you might only have 2 championship games per year and there was at least some kind of an appetite for replays in certain quarters. This is no longer the case and there is nothing as anti climactic as a draw in a big championship match knowing that you may have to expend the same time and incur the same expense one week later if you want to watch the same two teams again.
Very relevant point would say possibly replays at semi final/final stage if at all.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.
Quote from: Mario on April 04, 2024, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.
Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 12:23:51 PMQuote from: Mario on April 04, 2024, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.
Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win
100%.
That wasn't even a difficult angle.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 04, 2024, 12:36:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 12:23:51 PMQuote from: Mario on April 04, 2024, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.
Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win
100%.
That wasn't even a difficult angle.
Jemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
And I've seen it plenty of times at club level where a player is going for goal instead of driving the nail further into the coffin and taking the gauranteed point and ends up missing it. Of course it all depends on context. In Lachlan Murrays case he had an awful angle and his team was 3 points up. Go for a point and they pretty much have it won
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 04, 2024, 12:36:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 12:23:51 PMQuote from: Mario on April 04, 2024, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.
Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win
100%.
That wasn't even a difficult angle.
Jemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.
Two good examples of why you should nearly always go for the goal if it is on. In both those instances it would have put the match to bed. A lot of it comes down to the individual player and their aversion to risk. Jarly Og is a very low risk player and rarely ever kicks the ball so it was no surprise that he fisted that chance over.
Any good inside forward with a killer instinct should nearly always go for goal.
If you're 3 points up very late on in a game, you put the ball over the bar.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 04, 2024, 01:19:05 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 04, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: lurganblue on April 04, 2024, 12:36:29 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 04, 2024, 12:23:51 PMQuote from: Mario on April 04, 2024, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 04, 2024, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 04, 2024, 08:59:41 AMQuote from: Hound on March 31, 2024, 05:43:17 PMKey moment, bar the very soft penalty, was the Derry lad going for goal from a tight enough angle instead of tapping over and putting them in a probable unassailable 4 point lead.
Agreed. Hear the likes of James O'Donaghue saying if the goals on you have to go for it. No you dont and thats an example of why. Goes for goal from a silly angle instead of taking the simple point and putting Derry 4 points clear. He's only young and he had a brilliant game so hopefully he'll learn
Ryan O'Toole v Tyrone, went for the jugular and won the game for his county at the death. That's the kind of fearless risk we want to see more of?
Not really comparable. Monaghan needed the goal as they were behind. Derry did not.
Jarly Og Burns in the Ulster final last year is an example. Goal was on and he took the easy option of a point. I knew at that stage we wouldnt win
100%.
That wasn't even a difficult angle.
Jemar Hall did similar against Galway the year before too.
Two good examples of why you should nearly always go for the goal if it is on. In both those instances it would have put the match to bed. A lot of it comes down to the individual player and their aversion to risk. Jarly Og is a very low risk player and rarely ever kicks the ball so it was no surprise that he fisted that chance over.
Any good inside forward with a killer instinct should nearly always go for goal.
"Go for the goal if its on". Thats my point. The goal was not on. It was a terrible angle and if he turnt back onto his right to go for goal from a better angle he would've been closed down by the defender. A guaranteed point vs a 15%(?) chance of a goal
Fento's red card stands from the League Final... Durty Dubs!
Quote from: screenexile on April 10, 2024, 02:53:19 PMFento's red card stands from the League Final... Durty Dubs!
If a Derry player had a red card then it could be material against the likes of Donegal or Tyrone. But Dublin only have to play a couple of handy games where it does not matter a jot.