Things that make you go What the F**k?

[trueblue1234]

https://x.com/Tony77171568646/status/1813601968239387094

 

The most referee thing ever.
Being a **** for the world to see and not even trying to hide it 

Surely that lad couldn't be a referee?

He would certainly get a few senior championship matches in Armagh.

I believe Johnny is one of the lads that gave poor auld sludden a touch a few years ago. 😅

[JoG2]

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-attacked-tourist-with-a-machete-called-him-a-fking-immigrant-is-jailed-6440780-Jul2024/

Some animals about. Bit of a joke sentence too. Key should be thrown away.

Sentence is an absolute joke, the act it self of course, but you factor in attracting tourists into the country. Disgusting

[Tony Baloney]

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-attacked-tourist-with-a-machete-called-him-a-fking-immigrant-is-jailed-6440780-Jul2024/

Some animals about. Bit of a joke sentence too. Key should be thrown away.

Sentence is an absolute joke, the act it self of course, but you factor in attracting tourists into the country. Disgusting

How the fcuk can there be mitigating circumstances (warranting a sentence reduction) for almost hacking someone to death with a machete because you thought they were an immigrant.

[general_lee]

Probably because the judge is a f**king flid!

[Main Street]

Sometimes things have you saying WTF!!!  in a pleasant surprise

[armaghniac]

Sometimes things have you saying WTF!!!  in a pleasant surprise

This lady was discussed on another thread
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/exposed-scantily-clad-twelfth-flasher-is-a-brit-basher/a1953627730.html

[Look-Up!]

Behind a pay wall. Can someone copy and paste please?

[David McKeown]

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-attacked-tourist-with-a-machete-called-him-a-fking-immigrant-is-jailed-6440780-Jul2024/

Some animals about. Bit of a joke sentence too. Key should be thrown away.

Sentence is an absolute joke, the act it self of course, but you factor in attracting tourists into the country. Disgusting

How the fcuk can there be mitigating circumstances (warranting a sentence reduction) for almost hacking someone to death with a machete because you thought they were an immigrant.

The problem lies with the Orichetas then. The judge was constrained by the range set by the sentencing guidelines. They set the sentence as between 7.5 and 12 years for this type of sentence. There's very good reason for a discount for a plea (which this was). So following the guidance the 8 year sentence was towards the higher if not at the highest end of what parliament says is needed for this type of offending. That it's a joke is down to Parliament not the Judge

[Tony Baloney]

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-attacked-tourist-with-a-machete-called-him-a-fking-immigrant-is-jailed-6440780-Jul2024/

Some animals about. Bit of a joke sentence too. Key should be thrown away.

Sentence is an absolute joke, the act it self of course, but you factor in attracting tourists into the country. Disgusting

How the fcuk can there be mitigating circumstances (warranting a sentence reduction) for almost hacking someone to death with a machete because you thought they were an immigrant.

The problem lies with the Orichetas then. The judge was constrained by the range set by the sentencing guidelines. They set the sentence as between 7.5 and 12 years for this type of sentence. There's very good reason for a discount for a plea (which this was). So following the guidance the 8 year sentence was towards the higher if not at the highest end of what parliament says is needed for this type of offending. That it's a joke is down to Parliament not the Judge

Sentenced to 5.5 yrs. Why not the full 8? He has 29 previous convictions and was arrested at the scene with plenty of footage showing he did it so why does he get any discount for pleading to something he clearly did?

[Look-Up!]

Apart from the fact it was attempted murder. He has several knife offences and was carrying around a f**king machete in the city centre. Clearly a hate crime too. But yeah, lets concentrate on the mitigating factors. Pleaded guilty to something he was caught doing on multiple CCTV cameras plus plenty of eye witnesses. I'm gonna call BS on the poor auld judge, hands tied line.

[David McKeown]

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-attacked-tourist-with-a-machete-called-him-a-fking-immigrant-is-jailed-6440780-Jul2024/

Some animals about. Bit of a joke sentence too. Key should be thrown away.

Sentence is an absolute joke, the act it self of course, but you factor in attracting tourists into the country. Disgusting

How the fcuk can there be mitigating circumstances (warranting a sentence reduction) for almost hacking someone to death with a machete because you thought they were an immigrant.

The problem lies with the Orichetas then. The judge was constrained by the range set by the sentencing guidelines. They set the sentence as between 7.5 and 12 years for this type of sentence. There's very good reason for a discount for a plea (which this was). So following the guidance the 8 year sentence was towards the higher if not at the highest end of what parliament says is needed for this type of offending. That it's a joke is down to Parliament not the Judge

Sentenced to 5.5 yrs. Why not the full 8? He has 29 previous convictions and was arrested at the scene with plenty of footage showing he did it so why does he get any discount for pleading to something he clearly did?

There's a number of good reasons for discount for pleas. The key amongst those is the cost saving to the state of having to run expensive trials and having to dot every I and Cros's every T in terms of preparing cases for trial. It also allows court time to deal with more cases.

More significantly though is that guilty pleas spare victims from being retraumitised. That's a major factor in discount for pleas that should always be maintained.

The 5.5 years has a footing in government policy as well. Sentences are not simply punitive, there also has to be an element of deterrence to them but also elements of rehabilitation and reintegration. Parliament has set sentencing law in the south so that parts of sentences can be suspended subject to certain conditions like good behaviour etc. This acts as a carrot for prisoners to try and rehabilitate themselves and helps with good order in prisons. In the north parliament has chosen a different approach with the same underlying principles.

[David McKeown]

Apart from the fact it was attempted murder. He has several knife offences and was carrying around a f**king machete in the city centre. Clearly a hate crime too. But yeah, lets concentrate on the mitigating factors. Pleaded guilty to something he was caught doing on multiple CCTV cameras plus plenty of eye witnesses. I'm gonna call BS on the poor auld judge, hands tied line.

Was it though?  I haven't read anywhere that he was convicted of attempted murder which is probably the hardest charge to prove of any of the offences again the person.

I'm not suggesting the sentence is right but it's within the guidelines set forth by Parliament from what I know of it. So I don't see what else the judge could do and I think more needs done to tackle the legislators on the issue

[Look-Up!]

I know legislation is a problem. Doesn't mean there's not plenty of judges out there completely out of touch and dangerously unfit for work. It's not the church. They're not the pope to be deemed infallible.
 

[Main Street]

The judge said to the effect that the tourist was within a few drops of blood from death.
In that report the judge didn't mention anything about mitigating circumstances, even the defending counsel said "it was clear from the footage that it was a horrific attack and that little or nothing could be said in mitigation".
The tourist was set upon by a group of men and when arrested the accused said nothing of evidential value, therefore the others could get off scot-free. And also the accused was found with the smoking gun, in all probability the evidence in total was so overwhelming that he  had no other sensible option but to plead guilty.

It doesn't sound like there was a lot of quality detective work spent to find the other guilty savages.

[Look-Up!]

https://www.thejournal.ie/man-who-attacked-tourist-with-a-machete-called-him-a-fking-immigrant-is-jailed-6440780-Jul2024/

Some animals about. Bit of a joke sentence too. Key should be thrown away.

Sentence is an absolute joke, the act it self of course, but you factor in attracting tourists into the country. Disgusting

How the fcuk can there be mitigating circumstances (warranting a sentence reduction) for almost hacking someone to death with a machete because you thought they were an immigrant.

The problem lies with the Orichetas then. The judge was constrained by the range set by the sentencing guidelines. They set the sentence as between 7.5 and 12 years for this type of sentence. There's very good reason for a discount for a plea (which this was). So following the guidance the 8 year sentence was towards the higher if not at the highest end of what parliament says is needed for this type of offending. That it's a joke is down to Parliament not the Judge

Sentenced to 5.5 yrs. Why not the full 8? He has 29 previous convictions and was arrested at the scene with plenty of footage showing he did it so why does he get any discount for pleading to something he clearly did?

There's a number of good reasons for discount for pleas. The key amongst those is the cost saving to the state of having to run expensive trials and having to dot every I and Cros's every T in terms of preparing cases for trial. It also allows court time to deal with more cases.

More significantly though is that guilty pleas spare victims from being retraumitised. That's a major factor in discount for pleas that should always be maintained.

The 5.5 years has a footing in government policy as well. Sentences are not simply punitive, there also has to be an element of deterrence to them but also elements of rehabilitation and reintegration. Parliament has set sentencing law in the south so that parts of sentences can be suspended subject to certain conditions like good behaviour etc. This acts as a carrot for prisoners to try and rehabilitate themselves and helps with good order in prisons. In the north parliament has chosen a different approach with the same underlying principles.

Ah here, stop David. You come out with this every time there is a serious serious offence. This is not your run of the mill, one size fits all case. This animal is GOING TO KILL SOMEONE. If we cannot spend a couple of bucks to make sure he is locked away properly, the system is a complete and utter joke. And I'm willing to bet in this case, as in every other serious crime case, the joke of a sentence is far far far more retraumatizing than anything that could be possibly said in the courtroom.