Ulster Senior football championship 2024

[Taylor]

I think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final. 

Agreed. The turnaround time is ridiculous. Was a time supporters could enjoy the win for a week and another week to look forward to the next round. Is a big ask of Tyrone after such a gruelling game players coming off with knocks and hardly time to sort the injuries, then prepare for next Sunday. Donegal had a handy aul run-out, tho well done to them. 

It's very much ridiculous. It doesn't allow anyone time for a breath. The games are coming so thick and fast that there's no time for a build up. And supporters become fatigued too and so on. It's just way too compressed

And do you think the players would get recovery time next weekend?
No chance.

Would be on a training camp or spmething similar

[Deerstalker]

I think Donegal have a big advantage over Tyrone in terms of recovery. Tyrone have a days rest less and extra time in the legs, they will get little or nothing done this week apart from recover work. In any case I think they look to be a team in transition with an awful lot of young players thrown in. I think Donegal could end up winning this match comfortably and set up a repeat of the division 2 national league final. 

Agreed. The turnaround time is ridiculous. Was a time supporters could enjoy the win for a week and another week to look forward to the next round. Is a big ask of Tyrone after such a gruelling game players coming off with knocks and hardly time to sort the injuries, then prepare for next Sunday. Donegal had a handy aul run-out, tho well done to them. 

It's very much ridiculous. It doesn't allow anyone time for a breath. The games are coming so thick and fast that there's no time for a build up. And supporters become fatigued too and so on. It's just way too compressed

And do you think the players would get recovery time next weekend?
No chance.

Would be on a training camp or spmething similar

They might be but I would say it would be very light, do you not think with all the data available to backroom teams now they aren't managing their training loads ? Especially now the season is so congested

[Milltown Row2]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

[tyrone08]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.

[downtothecore]

If Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?

Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday.  Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.

Down were very poor against westmeath and Antrim recently. They would struggle to beat Fermanagh. Armagh recently  trounced Fermanagh and should have beaten a very good Donegal team. It's not BS....

[Armagh18]

If Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?

Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday.  Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.

Down were very poor against westmeath and Antrim recently. They would struggle to beat Fermanagh. Armagh recently  trounced Fermanagh and should have beaten a very good Donegal team. It's not BS....

Down are shite. If we don't beat them we'd need to be taking a long hard look at ourselves.

[reddgnhand]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

The Cavan player had Hampsey by the leg. If Hampsey had fell to the ground would that have been a black card?

[Itchy]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.

Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy in a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end of full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?

[Milltown Row2]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

The Cavan player had Hampsey by the leg. If Hampsey had fell to the ground would that have been a black card?

Yeah, by the rules that would be seen as a trip, whether it's off the ball with the ball up the other end a deliberate trip or pulling someone to the ground you run the risk of a linesman or umpire informing the ref of a black card offence.

It's completely bonkers why an intercounty player in championship would put his team's progress in jeopardy over his manliness 

[Armagh18]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.

Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy on a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end if full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?

It's in Hampsey to do that as it is with most good defenders and in fairness it worked well, Lynch hadn't much joy for large spells the other day. A top forward like Lynch is going to get that treatment, boys in his fsce letting him know all about it when he misses.

[Milltown Row2]

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.

Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy on a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end if full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?

Always carried over into extra time, in that instance the gap between both players for the 'contact' was minimal and sorta on a threshold of body check or accidentally  impeded him, body check black card

[HokeyPokey]

By the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.

On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.

 All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.

The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.

[Milltown Row2]

By the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.

On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.

 All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.

The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.

You're asking to simplify the rules but then add in rules which will be interpreted differently by every ref lol.

Players play within the rules and we are good to go?

[Nanderson]

By the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.

On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.

 All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.

The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.

You're asking to simplify the rules but then add in rules which will be interpreted differently by every ref lol.

Players play within the rules and we are good to go?

You've just put in a rule now where there is no accurate defintion. What counts as near the goal and loads of space? Just asking for trouble with adding in subjective rules

[HokeyPokey]

By the letter of the law it was a pull down. The law was to stop cynical fouls when a player is in loads of space. The play was well away from it. There was two at that and the evidence suggests Hampsey didn't start it. It should have been two yellows.

On the one at the end of extra time, it looked like McKernan(?) wanted to put himself in the way, but that the Cavan player also looked to get the contact too. Does every time a player gives a wee push to another one off the ball, regardless of where the ball is, does that count as a black by the letter of the law because it's impeding. McCurry was pulling up with cramp and a Cavan player bundled him over, is that a black for impeding him? There were a lot of high tackles by Cavan players which went unpunished too which Cavan fans conveniently ignore too.

 All this inconsistent application and never ending debates about technical interpreation is tiresome and takes away from the joy of football.

The GAA need to simplify the rules. I think give a black if a player tries to stop a free being taken (as this is a regular tactic to foul and slow the free taken so as to get men back). If a player tries to cynically stop a goal scoring opportunity, be it near the goal or where the team has loads of space in front of them, give a penalty. If a team keeps committing fouls, like rugby, give a black card once a threshold has been passed. Get rid of the forward mark.

You're asking to simplify the rules but then add in rules which will be interpreted differently by every ref lol.

Players play within the rules and we are good to go?

You've just put in a rule now where there is no accurate defintion. What counts as near the goal and loads of space? Just asking for trouble with adding in subjective rules

I'm just spitballing, I'm not proposing the exact wording here. I would suggest something along the lines of there being no other outfield player between them and the goal or there being a numerical advantage. I'm not sure the black card is really doing what it was intended to do in these situations. If you are stopping a player from a situation where a goal is likely to be score, surely a penalty would be the fairest recompense? What use is a black card if a team is behind by 3 in the last play of the game etc. Rugby has penalty tries, but not sure that would work in the GAA.

Similar in soccer a red card in the last minute for denying a goal scoring opportunity is hardly a fair punishment and rewards the team who has committed the foul. Same with goalkeepers up to antics in penalty shout outs. If they interfere with the ball etc., just give them an automatic goal. It would soon stop the antics.

If a player is going to get a black card for stopping a free being taken quickly, it would almost certainly stop that behaviour and open the game up more.