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Title: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 07, 2022, 12:15:48 PM
Came across an interesting discussion on Off The Ball yesterday basically saying the earlier Championship this year has not helped at all for GAA media coverage or general attention. They put it that were competing against the the end of season in football and rugby and games arent getting coverage they usually get in previous years.
I know there's 2 Heineken cup games today with Leinster and Munster for instance. And it's the business end in soccer with Liverpool going well.

Was also stated that GAA is not helping itself by putting so much of its football games on the same time, competing against hurling, lack of TV games etc.


Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2022, 12:19:17 PM
Let’s wait til the end of July
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 07, 2022, 12:23:18 PM
I think it's been a failure so far. I favour going back to the previous way or even pushing it back a month by starting in May and ending in August. It's not really a split season anyway as most clubs are training since February it seems.

I know Pat Spillane is totally against the new calendar and says GAA are shooting itself in the foot leaving half the year for just clubs which get no media interest.

He suggested Hurling and Football do split seasons to maximise publicity etc for GAA. I think it's an interesting idea that could be explored. A lot of the time Football and Hurling are competing against each other for attention. Don't think it would be feasible calendar wise however.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2022, 03:46:03 PM
I think it's a bad idea. I know it was in response to an ESRI report but it's too early in the year.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: pbat on May 07, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
I believe its a complete flop, June, July and good chunk of August you get a free run against football and rugby(world/euro years aside).
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2022, 06:25:22 PM
How can anyone call it a flop before it gets properly underway?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 07, 2022, 06:41:25 PM
How can anyone call it a flop before it gets properly underway?

Well it's going to be over very quickly. Nearly half the teams are already eliminated. It's already well under way but it doesn't seem that have captured the attention of media or the public.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 07, 2022, 06:43:40 PM
I think it's a bad idea. I know it was in response to an ESRI report but it's too early in the year.

Interesting what ESRI report was that? I thought it was basically about giving clubs more attention and the CPA demands.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 07, 2022, 06:51:19 PM
I believe its a complete flop, June, July and good chunk of August you get a free run against football and rugby(world/euro years aside).

I agree, it's always a competition to gain public attention and when we have a free run in the summer for the best weather of the year we give it away.

It's going to be all but over in June. It's a massive own goal from a promotion point of view and that's becoming more obvious as time goes by.

And let's not forget we're very lucky the World Cup is in December. When normal service is resumed the Euros and World Cup will be now in peak Championship time every 2 years. Not just the earlier Championship rounds like previously. I doubt that has been taken into account. Only when it happens people will complain.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: armaghniac on May 07, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
He suggested Hurling and Football do split seasons to maximise publicity etc for GAA. I think it's an interesting idea that could be explored. A lot of the time Football and Hurling are competing against each other for attention. Don't think it would be feasible calendar wise however.

Splitting the hurling and football makes obvious sense. However, the entire structure of the association has to be subject to the interest of dual players, of whom there might be 100 in the whole island.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2022, 07:31:57 PM
How can anyone call it a flop before it gets properly underway?

Well it's going to be over very quickly. Nearly half the teams are already eliminated. It's already well under way but it doesn't seem that have captured the attention of media or the public.
compared to all those other seasons when the nation was riveted by the early provincial rounds?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on May 07, 2022, 10:06:57 PM
weather not been great either
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2022, 10:42:37 PM
Like anything, should been left the way it was, other big sports just take the limelight in the summer, All Irelands should remained in September.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on May 07, 2022, 10:43:24 PM
gaa has a lot to compete with these days
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2022, 11:07:28 PM
gaa has a lot to compete with these days

One of them being that a lot of the “problems” are imaginary
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 08, 2022, 05:52:20 AM
I think it's a bad idea. I know it was in response to an ESRI report but it's too early in the year.

Interesting what ESRI report was that? I thought it was basically about giving clubs more attention and the CPA demands.

https://www.esri.ie/news/new-research-examines-the-realities-of-being-a-senior-inter-county-player
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: sam03/05 on May 08, 2022, 07:52:24 AM
Crazy decision
No show piece games at height of summer in August.
 It was all done to accommodate a split season
That would be fine if there actually was a split season
Clubs have been playing football for the previous two months
So that idea of a split season is nonsense
Be better going back to the old calender
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 08, 2022, 08:28:10 AM
He suggested Hurling and Football do split seasons to maximise publicity etc for GAA. I think it's an interesting idea that could be explored. A lot of the time Football and Hurling are competing against each other for attention. Don't think it would be feasible calendar wise however.

Splitting the hurling and football makes obvious sense. However, the entire structure of the association has to be subject to the interest of dual players, of whom there might be 100 in the whole island.

There might be more than 100 dual players in Dublin alone.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2022, 09:24:46 AM
Crazy decision
No show piece games at height of summer in August.
 It was all done to accommodate a split season
That would be fine if there actually was a split season
Clubs have been playing football for the previous two months
So that idea of a split season is nonsense
Be better going back to the old calender

Did you seriously expect that Club games would only occur from beginning of August ?
Do you recall the grumbling and moaning over the old calendar for the last 10 or 15 years?
Do you remember the CPA and "fix the fixtures"?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael85 on May 08, 2022, 09:54:05 AM
He suggested Hurling and Football do split seasons to maximise publicity etc for GAA. I think it's an interesting idea that could be explored. A lot of the time Football and Hurling are competing against each other for attention. Don't think it would be feasible calendar wise however.

Splitting the hurling and football makes obvious sense. However, the entire structure of the association has to be subject to the interest of dual players, of whom there might be 100 in the whole island.

There might be more than 100 dual players in Dublin alone.

Likes of Clare, Tipp, Cork and Offaly would have a lot of dual players.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael85 on May 08, 2022, 09:58:52 AM
Crazy decision
No show piece games at height of summer in August.
 It was all done to accommodate a split season
That would be fine if there actually was a split season
Clubs have been playing football for the previous two months
So that idea of a split season is nonsense
Be better going back to the old calender

Split season is a result of the power of intercounty manager dictating club schedules. Unfair for club players who wait around all summer for their county to finish up and then blitz games off in a couple weeks.  GAA needs to market the club game more.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Throw ball on May 08, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
Crazy decision
No show piece games at height of summer in August.
 It was all done to accommodate a split season
That would be fine if there actually was a split season
Clubs have been playing football for the previous two months
So that idea of a split season is nonsense
Be better going back to the old calender

Split season is a result of the power of intercounty manager dictating club schedules. Unfair for club players who wait around all summer for their county to finish up and then blitz games off in a couple weeks.  GAA needs to market the club game more.

Outside of the inter County club championship - which is basically county football for the best club rather than the best playersin each county - the club scene is a local thing. Within each county it is probably well publicised.  Very few people will travel to watch games in other counties , teams on county borders aside

As much as the county needs the club scene to be thriving the club scene needs the county scene. The big match days etc get people interested in the game and encourages people who have no GAA backgrounds to let their children play the game.

I think the new split season makes no sense but in the end attendances will determine if it has worked.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael80 on May 08, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
I follow football more than hurling but in previous years was able to keep up to date with the hurling results, the tables and watch some of the games. To be honest I haven't got a clue how it's going this year, think I heard something about Tipperary almost being elimated and something about a handshake after a Galway v Kilkenny game.

Other sports are at their most exciting time of year, finishing up after long seasons, teams neck and neck for honours, big knock out matches etc. It's the busiest time of year for Sports media and I think the GAA are struggling to get their games the attention it requires or is used to later in the year.

So for me it's been a serious failure, however when the All Ireland football group series starts in June 2023 the aim and benefits might become clearer.

For hurling though the best part of their championships are taking place at the wrong time and they'll suffer more than football with this new schedule.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 08, 2022, 12:38:07 PM
Hard to keep track of games, too many games on, on certain weekends, no game built up as games played off very quick, Covid stay at homes games sort lead the way for this, If it was a sudden change from a full attended season I don't think. Public would accepted it. Also with so many games not on TV (ie, pay for view) alot of people miss games they want to see. Also you attended games you got to see minor if u wished, now a single games about e18, then money again to attend the seperate minor game. Younger players don't get the chances to play in front of big attendance game which was a big thing when I was that age group.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: marty34 on May 08, 2022, 01:40:43 PM
Be hard to know for sure until it's all over.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 09, 2022, 11:37:46 AM
It is slightly too early to say, but I already think it is a failure. We had a unique window during the summer for our sport, where it clashed with practically nothing. Now we've football, rugby and others in this busy time of year. I have to admit, I got caught up with the rugby on Saturday, and missed the bulk of the Cork Kerry match. That wouldn't happen in summer. We're going full bore in late Spring/early summer to knock out the most of the games, so that by mid summer, we'll only be left with the handful of semi finals and finals. Not making sense for what are summer sports. We make most teams play the bulk of their League and Championship games in poorer weather, and have their feet up all summer. Like I know we need space for the club, but the games all summer, and finals in September are what made a lot of it for me. Early Championship isn't good and needs to change back somehow.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on May 09, 2022, 12:04:29 PM
He suggested Hurling and Football do split seasons to maximise publicity etc for GAA. I think it's an interesting idea that could be explored. A lot of the time Football and Hurling are competing against each other for attention. Don't think it would be feasible calendar wise however.

Splitting the hurling and football makes obvious sense. However, the entire structure of the association has to be subject to the interest of dual players, of whom there might be 100 in the whole island.

There might be more than 100 dual players in Dublin alone.

Likes of Clare, Tipp, Cork and Offaly would have a lot of dual players.
Even in Armagh which is far from a hurling stronghold, most lads that play hurling play football as well.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 09, 2022, 01:11:04 PM
It is slightly too early to say, but I already think it is a failure. We had a unique window during the summer for our sport, where it clashed with practically nothing. Now we've football, rugby and others in this busy time of year. I have to admit, I got caught up with the rugby on Saturday, and missed the bulk of teh Cork Kerry match. That wouldn't happen in summer. We're going full bore in late Spring/early summer to knock out the most of the games, so that by mid summer, we'll only be left with the handful of semi finals and finals. Not making sense for what are summer sports. We make most teams play the bulk of their League and Championship games in poorer weather, and have their feet up all summer. Like I know we need space for the club, but the games all summer, and finals in September are what made a lot of it for me. Early Championship isn't good and needs to change back somehow.

Yeah also the poorer weather affects the attendances. Of course with the many different ticketing apps and the ticketing shambles also.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:36:49 PM
It's far too congested and hard to keep track of all the games in a short space of time. Underage county matches which produces some of the best matches of the year are getting lost in the congestion.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM
It is slightly too early to say, but I already think it is a failure. We had a unique window during the summer for our sport, where it clashed with practically nothing. Now we've football, rugby and others in this busy time of year. I have to admit, I got caught up with the rugby on Saturday, and missed the bulk of teh Cork Kerry match. That wouldn't happen in summer. We're going full bore in late Spring/early summer to knock out the most of the games, so that by mid summer, we'll only be left with the handful of semi finals and finals. Not making sense for what are summer sports. We make most teams play the bulk of their League and Championship games in poorer weather, and have their feet up all summer. Like I know we need space for the club, but the games all summer, and finals in September are what made a lot of it for me. Early Championship isn't good and needs to change back somehow.

Yeah also the poorer weather affects the attendances. Of course with the many different ticketing apps and the ticketing shambles also.

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


Look, irrespective of when the games are played in most provincial football campaigns there are quite a few one sided beatings. Things will pick up at the serious end of the football championships.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 09, 2022, 06:05:38 PM
It's far too congested and hard to keep track of all the games in a short space of time. Underage county matches which produces some of the best matches of the year are getting lost in the congestion.

Yeah Its been a disaster for underage intercounty.  Squashed in the middle of all. The basically killed the minor putting it U17.I note the All Ireland u20 final isnt even in Croke Park next Saturday its in Leitrim. The could have done a double header with Kildare in Leinster semi final Sunday. How many Kildare will go to Leitrim now? Much less I assume. Who is making these fixture pill ups in Croke Park and where is the justification? They have totally devalued minor and u20 championships amongst others.

Doesn't seem to be many double headers with u20/U17 and senior games either.Yesterday it was the Ladies game as curtain raiser.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: armaghniac on May 09, 2022, 08:17:24 PM
Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.

Hurling has had some cracking crowds. Football has not, there was only 15000 in Clones yesterday, Kerry and Cork was sent to backwater. I was in Ballybofey and there was almost a row of empty seats in the stand in front of me. There was probably more people at the Armagh -Tyrone league game than will show up at the Athletic grounds for Monaghan v Derry. 
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: timmyot501 on May 10, 2022, 08:51:03 AM
"There was probably more people at the Armagh -Tyrone league game than will show up at the Athletic grounds for Monaghan v Derry. "

You could still be right armaghniac but there are no more tickets available for the seated stand for Sunday.  So there should still be a decent enough crowd for this one.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 09:03:58 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think

30K+ at Tyrone v Derry then?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 09:15:03 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a city
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on May 10, 2022, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Throw ball,

I think the new split season makes no sense but in the end attendances will determine if it has worked.

Attendances will be part of it, but maybe more importantly, TV viewing figures, sponsorship interest, TV rights, marketing etc. All of which are likely to be diminished by this format
Worse though is the long term impact if this was continued in the long run. The kids of today barely know there is a championship progressing, especially those from non gaa backgrounds, it'll completely pass them by. They're used to premier League, fantasy, stats updated, a clear program of fixtures with the time to figure out what's happening. The gaa season will be over as far as most are concerned by the time they get their heads around it! But it's grand, there'll be another along in 9 months time......
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 09:22:14 AM
The championship should be starting now
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 09:24:20 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a rugby city


Is that the sound of the goalposts moving?

Tyrone carry huge support, granted less so Derry but the football championships go through the motions up to and including the provincial finals barring Ulster and less so Connacht depending if its a Mayo-Galway affair and teams prepare accordingly.
The last 8 or quarter final stages is when the football takes off, the better teams lining out against each other, do dog, shíte the license whereas hurling has that from the get go.

Only saying like, don't shoot the messenger.


Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: Throw ball,

I think the new split season makes no sense but in the end attendances will determine if it has worked.

Attendances will be part of it, but maybe more importantly, TV viewing figures, sponsorship interest, TV rights, marketing etc. All of which are likely to be diminished by this format
Worse though is the long term impact if this was continued in the long run. The kids of today barely know there is a championship progressing, especially those from non gaa backgrounds, it'll completely pass them by. They're used to premier League, fantasy, stats updated, a clear program of fixtures with the time to figure out what's happening. The gaa season will be over as far as most are concerned by the time they get their heads around it! But it's grand, there'll be another along in 9 months time......

You, like at least a dozen others on this thread, seem to be confusing the decade long demise of the provincial championships, with moving the championship forwards.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 09:36:31 AM
Between this thread, the u20 one and the Tailteann one I've never read so much whinging and moaning and negativity in one place.
Worse than a DUPUDA/Bryson "rally".
It's feckin depressing.

Cheer up folks!
It's May, we've daylight till 9.30 or after, we've had some great weather but with a few wet ones to make the grass grow, GAA Club games are in full swing at all age groups with games nearly every day of the week, County teams are engaged in football and hurling Championships, there are a load of shiny cups to be won, Club Championships will have the field to themselves from 25th July.....

Maybe the Mods could open a Positive comments only Section....
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 11:01:46 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a rugby city


Is that the sound of the goalposts moving?

Tyrone carry huge support, granted less so Derry but the football championships go through the motions up to and including the provincial finals barring Ulster and less so Connacht depending if its a Mayo-Galway affair and teams prepare accordingly.
The last 8 or quarter final stages is when the football takes off, the better teams lining out against each other, do dog, shíte the license whereas hurling has that from the get go.

Only saying like, don't shoot the messenger.

Rugby city? The rugby city that now has a hard time filling its stadium, due to the success of the hurlers? You're seeing rugby players come now from places like west Cork, and not as much from Limerick as they used to. Hurling is affecting rugby in Limerick, as you would expect with the level of success they're having.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 11:14:19 AM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a rugby city


Is that the sound of the goalposts moving?

Tyrone carry huge support, granted less so Derry but the football championships go through the motions up to and including the provincial finals barring Ulster and less so Connacht depending if its a Mayo-Galway affair and teams prepare accordingly.
The last 8 or quarter final stages is when the football takes off, the better teams lining out against each other, do dog, shíte the license whereas hurling has that from the get go.

Only saying like, don't shoot the messenger.

Rugby city? The rugby city that now has a hard time filling its stadium, due to the success of the hurlers? You're seeing rugby players come now from places like west Cork, and not as much from Limerick as they used to. Hurling is affecting rugby in Limerick, as you would expect with the level of success they're having.

Joking about that, settle petal..

But the point remains, the hurling championship goes full tilt with meaningful games from the start (a few dead rubbers in the qualifiers though), the football one has too many one sided embarrassments which don't appeal to the fans of even the counties partaking let alone the neutrals but will improve come knock out time.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0411/1291647-bonnar-short-season-leaves-players-in-vicious-circle/
Tipperary manager Colm Bonnar feels that the new split-season format has left county players trapped in "a vicious circle" with no period of downtime

This will be the first time that the Munster Championship group stage format has been run since pre-Covid times in 2019 and speaking to the media ahead of Sunday's opener with Waterford at Walsh Park, Bonnar said that the lack of preparation time between league and championship was hard to deal with.

In that 2019 campaign, the Premier County had 58 days to ready themselves between their Allianz Hurling League quarter-final defeat to Dublin and their provincial opener against Cork. This term, with the split-season arrangement bedded in, it’s 29 days – and that’s with Tipp missing out on the league knock-out stages.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 11:34:26 AM

Joking about that, settle petal..

But the point remains, the hurling championship goes full tilt with meaningful games from the start (a few dead rubbers in the qualifiers though), the football one has too many one sided embarrassments which don't appeal to the fans of even the counties partaking let alone the neutrals but will improve come knock out time.

Ya fair enough, do agree though
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 10, 2022, 11:48:41 AM
It would be a right championship in football if you had the top 12 teams in it playing in 2 groups. Say:

Group 1
Dublin
Tyrone
Galway
Monaghan
Roscommon
Armagh

Group 2
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
Kildare
Derry
Meath

With group winners straight into semi finals and second place into quarter finals and third place teams playing lower tier winners. 3 teams eliminated from each group. You'd have big games every week from the start of the year.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Louther on May 10, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
There is no one carrying the GAA message. It’s left to those independent of the GAA to create whatever narrative they like and lot of the time it’s negative - structures, second tier competitions, ref decisions, venues, ticket prices, fixtures etc.

All of these seem to be independent of each other. Even the Tailtean cup, and I got it wrong, was flagged in December fixture as to the structure. But it was December and no one really cared until it’s happening now and suddenly it’s an issue and no one even knows it’s been the case since December - fair play Mod for spotting it.

What the whole GAA season lacks is certainty. From one fixture to another, prices, venues, TV, etc all seem to be chopping and changing. It’s very hard to get involved in tbe championship season. The league competitions give the certainty. You can plan ahead, have a season ticket, have a trip away, know there is another day and lost of coverage with games thick and fast.

The championship is a bit all over the shop. One province will have different prices from another. Venues not fixed. Games could be at different times. You might lose and no one cares as there another more important game to come anyway. It’s all a bit all over the shop.

Plus, who really promotes it? The GAA? RTE? media? Sponsors? It’s not the counties involved as they won’t talk to anyone. We might throw our eyes up at the premier league in England but they know how to market it and Sky drive that. Their round the clock coverage, social media channels of the clubs and players and media. It’s hard to avoid. GAA you have to seek it out. And then it’s often just rinse and repeat criticism of past events and negativity about future structures.

It’s much easier to follow the club scene. You know what’s happening, you actually met and get chatting to those involved at all levels in the club and you know when the fixture happening.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: naka on May 10, 2022, 11:58:14 AM
The championship should be starting now
prefer the traditional championship final in september,
if we are changing should have been group of 4 s with teh last 16 playing in a knockout
would ahve given planty of games in decent weather
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 12:33:05 PM
Agree with Louther re the poor PR, marketing by GAA of the flagship competitions especially the football.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 10, 2022, 12:51:27 PM
Agree with Louther re the poor PR, marketing by GAA of the flagship competitions especially the football.
Be interesting to know what sort of marketing, social media etc department GAA have. They'd rather piss 20 million up the wall on some white elephant stadium that will never be filled. They don't even use their YouTube account to put up highlights or full match videos. No public available stats either, all kept in house.

Attendances are down and its mostly GAA HQs fault.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 01:08:30 PM
Agree with Louther re the poor PR, marketing by GAA of the flagship competitions especially the football.
Be interesting to know what sort of marketing, social media etc department GAA have. They'd rather piss 20 million up the wall on some white elephant stadium that will never be filled. They don't even use their YouTube account to put up highlights or full match videos. No public available stats either, all kept in house.

Attendances are down and its mostly GAA HQs fault.

Some of this might be a valid complaint.

But the single greatest waste of money the GAA could make in 2022 would be to allocate a marketing spend to the Tailteann Cup.

It is not possible to market a competition unless the competitors want to win it. Because when they don’t, it descends into half arse me challenge matches between squads of players barely recognisable to their own supporters.

The GAA’s marketing dept would be well within their rights to tell CCC to go f**k and themselves over this one. Rebadging the AI B championship does not work.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on May 10, 2022, 01:12:23 PM
Agree with Louther re the poor PR, marketing by GAA of the flagship competitions especially the football.
Be interesting to know what sort of marketing, social media etc department GAA have. They'd rather piss 20 million up the wall on some white elephant stadium that will never be filled. They don't even use their YouTube account to put up highlights or full match videos. No public available stats either, all kept in house.

Attendances are down and its mostly GAA HQs fault.

Some of this might be a valid complaint.

But the single greatest waste of money the GAA could make in 2022 would be to allocate a marketing spend to the Tailteann Cup.

It is not possible to market a competition unless the competitors want to win it. Because when they don’t, it descends into half arse me challenge matches between squads of players barely recognisable to their own supporters.

The GAA’s marketing dept would be well within their rights to tell CCC to go f**k and themselves over this one. Rebadging the AI B championship does not work.
Sure we’ll see who wants to be in it and who doesn’t. You can guarantee Cavan will go all out to win it. I have no idea why the likes of Down think they are above this cup..
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 01:19:06 PM
Agree with Louther re the poor PR, marketing by GAA of the flagship competitions especially the football.
Be interesting to know what sort of marketing, social media etc department GAA have. They'd rather piss 20 million up the wall on some white elephant stadium that will never be filled. They don't even use their YouTube account to put up highlights or full match videos. No public available stats either, all kept in house.

Attendances are down and its mostly GAA HQs fault.

Some of this might be a valid complaint.

But the single greatest waste of money the GAA could make in 2022 would be to allocate a marketing spend to the Tailteann Cup.

It is not possible to market a competition unless the competitors want to win it. Because when they don’t, it descends into half arse me challenge matches between squads of players barely recognisable to their own supporters.

The GAA’s marketing dept would be well within their rights to tell CCC to go f**k and themselves over this one. Rebadging the AI B championship does not work.
Sure we’ll see who wants to be in it and who doesn’t. You can guarantee Cavan will go all out to win it. I have no idea why the likes of Down think they are above this cup..
Listen, that’s one thing you cannot guarantee.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 02:15:17 PM
Sure we’ll see who wants to be in it and who doesn’t. You can guarantee Cavan will go all out to win it. I have no idea why the likes of Down think they are above this cup..

Don't think you can guarantee that at all going by some of the players. They might give it a go, but might not be full bore
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 04:14:25 PM
Sure we’ll see who wants to be in it and who doesn’t. You can guarantee Cavan will go all out to win it. I have no idea why the likes of Down think they are above this cup..

Don't think you can guarantee that at all going by some of the players. They might give it a go, but might not be full bore

And a phonecall from America said send the lad over and the old fella said, sure it won't do any harm..

No one knows what teams will be at full tilt for this..
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 06:22:12 PM
Sure we’ll see who wants to be in it and who doesn’t. You can guarantee Cavan will go all out to win it. I have no idea why the likes of Down think they are above this cup..

Don't think you can guarantee that at all going by some of the players. They might give it a go, but might not be full bore

And a phonecall from America said send the lad over and the old fella said, sure it won't do any harm..

No one knows what teams will be at full tilt for this..

That too. Although they can't play over there until their county is out of Championship. So there is some bit of protection of the players to stop an exodus
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2022, 09:54:13 AM
Sure we’ll see who wants to be in it and who doesn’t. You can guarantee Cavan will go all out to win it. I have no idea why the likes of Down think they are above this cup..

Don't think you can guarantee that at all going by some of the players. They might give it a go, but might not be full bore

And a phonecall from America said send the lad over and the old fella said, sure it won't do any harm..

No one knows what teams will be at full tilt for this..

That too. Although they can't play over there until their county is out of Championship. So there is some bit of protection of the players to stop an exodus

Out of the championship and Tailteann Cup are different things.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2022, 10:25:11 AM
Tailteann is classed as a Championship too.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 11:29:49 AM
Out of the championship and Tailteann Cup are different things.

Classed as the same. Can't play until your counties inter county season is over, so includes Tailteann Cup
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2022, 11:36:14 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-gaelic-games-losing-out-big-time-as-other-sports-reach-their-endgames-1.4874956
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 11, 2022, 12:19:17 PM
Decisions are increasingly made in a Dublin based bubble

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2022, 02:12:23 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 02:20:14 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing? Passes what shouldn't, rejects what should. They're dependable that way. Either way, this needs to change somehow, having bulk of teams done for the year by June and clashing with otehr sports is silly.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on May 11, 2022, 03:41:50 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing? Passes what shouldn't, rejects what should. They're dependable that way. Either way, this needs to change somehow, having bulk of teams done for the year by June and clashing with otehr sports is silly.

Unless you actually play the sport , and then it's a massive improvement. This change was made because it was pushed by club players who want to have a championship that starts in the summer and isn't compressed. This backlash against the split season has mainly been driven by the media, who are only looking after their own needs.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 11, 2022, 03:56:51 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing?

Ah jases that's some comment after nearly 140 years!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 03:59:15 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing? Passes what shouldn't, rejects what should. They're dependable that way. Either way, this needs to change somehow, having bulk of teams done for the year by June and clashing with otehr sports is silly.

Unless you actually play the sport , and then it's a massive improvement. This change was made because it was pushed by club players who want to have a championship that starts in the summer and isn't compressed. This backlash against the split season has mainly been driven by the media, who are only looking after their own needs.

I still play club. It is an improvement for the club player, no doubt there. But there needs to be a middle ground. I will love playing club at the height of the summer, but I'm an intercounty supporter too. Playing our elite game, which makes the money and such, all Spring and competing against other sports, when there's nothing all summer when the usual GAA summer window is empty of other sports does not make sense. You could push it out to August even, and still finish club season off on time. This was teh 1st year of it, and for me it's just running off things too early. Adjust again for next season
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 11, 2022, 04:00:57 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing?

Ah jases that's some comment after nearly 140 years!

;D ;D  the whole congress setup isn't good, with the 60% majority needed, and the votes central council has. You need a huge majority of the boards to get anything past. We've seen really good motions get rejected, and then they pass something barely discussed. the system isn't right there
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 11, 2022, 11:05:38 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing? Passes what shouldn't, rejects what should. They're dependable that way. Either way, this needs to change somehow, having bulk of teams done for the year by June and clashing with otehr sports is silly.

Unless you actually play the sport , and then it's a massive improvement. This change was made because it was pushed by club players who want to have a championship that starts in the summer and isn't compressed. This backlash against the split season has mainly been driven by the media, who are only looking after their own needs.

How many counties will be playing championship in June or July?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael85 on May 11, 2022, 11:20:06 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing? Passes what shouldn't, rejects what should. They're dependable that way. Either way, this needs to change somehow, having bulk of teams done for the year by June and clashing with otehr sports is silly.

Unless you actually play the sport , and then it's a massive improvement. This change was made because it was pushed by club players who want to have a championship that starts in the summer and isn't compressed. This backlash against the split season has mainly been driven by the media, who are only looking after their own needs.

How many counties will be playing championship in June or July?

Dublin hurling championship starting 20th July and the football will be 2 weeks after.  I say a lot of players will be missing due to travelling for the summer.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on May 11, 2022, 11:33:21 PM
Wasn't the "split season"  passed overwhelmingly by Congress?

When has congress ever really done the right thing? Passes what shouldn't, rejects what should. They're dependable that way. Either way, this needs to change somehow, having bulk of teams done for the year by June and clashing with otehr sports is silly.

Unless you actually play the sport , and then it's a massive improvement. This change was made because it was pushed by club players who want to have a championship that starts in the summer and isn't compressed. This backlash against the split season has mainly been driven by the media, who are only looking after their own needs.

How many counties will be playing championship in June or July?

Not many. But every player in the country will have championship in July. Even in Dublin where the championship has in recent years been run in a blitz of a few weeks in Autumn.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on May 12, 2022, 04:52:57 AM
Is the all ireland club finals still going to be in like january or febuary or will they now be finished before christmas
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on May 12, 2022, 06:10:02 AM
Is the all ireland club finals still going to be in like january or febuary or will they now be finished before christmas

The club All-Ireland semi-finals will be the weekend of 10/11 December in all 3 grades (senior, intermediate and junior).  Connacht v Ulster and Leinster v Munster in all competitions, although Ulster junior winners must play a quarter-final game v the winners representing Britain.

All-Ireland finals are set for 7/8 Jan 2023 for junior and intermediate grades, with the senior final on 15 Jan 2023.

 
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2022, 12:11:24 PM
This weekend has the rugby semis and the second last weekend of the Premier League ahead of the champions league final. Lads will watch any kind of sport.  The GAA are nuts.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 15, 2022, 01:52:20 PM
This weekend has the rugby semis and the second last weekend of the Premier League ahead of the champions league final. Lads will watch any kind of sport.  The GAA are nuts.

Yep, rugby and soccer in centre stage now, GAA left behind.

Even apart from that the GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on May 15, 2022, 02:36:05 PM
This weekend has the rugby semis and the second last weekend of the Premier League ahead of the champions league final. Lads will watch any kind of sport.  The GAA are nuts.

Yep, rugby and soccer in centre stage now, GAA left behind.

Even apart from that the GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.

GAA in a world of their own where they think the common GAA supporter does not look to be entertained by other sports.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 15, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
This weekend has the rugby semis and the second last weekend of the Premier League ahead of the champions league final. Lads will watch any kind of sport.  The GAA are nuts.

Yep, rugby and soccer in centre stage now, GAA left behind.

Even apart from that the GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.

GAA in a world of their own where they think the common GAA supporter does not look to be entertained by other sports.

GAA moaners are in a world of their own too.

There was always championship matches in May.

Always.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2022, 03:01:53 PM
This weekend has the rugby semis and the second last weekend of the Premier League ahead of the champions league final. Lads will watch any kind of sport.  The GAA are nuts.

Yep, rugby and soccer in centre stage now, GAA left behind.

Even apart from that the GAA have fixed virtually no football next weekend but squashed all 4 Provincial football finals and the Tailteann Cup first round games all on the same weekend. I think the Champions League final also on that day. Madness. Tailteann will get no coverage or attendances that weekend.

GAA in a world of their own where they think the common GAA supporter does not look to be entertained by other sports.

GAA moaners are in a world of their own too.

There was always championship matches in May.

Always.
I am old enough to.remember all Ireland semifinals in AUGUST.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2022, 10:55:01 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-gaa-losing-out-as-other-sports-reach-their-endgames-1.4874956

But the issue remains that the provincial championships as it is now has become boring and, while we are not marketing it properly, there’s also the point our product isn’t good enough to compete with the other sports – in the dodgems – as we speed through May.
The Munster football final will be Kerry versus Limerick or Tipperary in Killarney in a few weeks and that’s going to be a three o’clock game because the Champions League Final is on and, with the games we’re producing, we can’t compete with that. The GAA are dodging going head-on because the product isn’t good enough.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 19, 2022, 11:23:24 AM
The idea behind the split season was a good one but I don't think the timings work for it to be a great success. The point was the county stuff would be wrapped up by July and then club championships into full swing for the rest of the summer. But most counties will want to finish their leagues first and risk a diluted championship in the summer with so many good players away to America or travelling for the summer. This means half of the summer is lost in terms of big games at both club and county level.

The county season is also up against a lot of other sports to gain media attention, unlike the summer time when it had a relatively free run.

Looking at the new system next year (which I'm not sold on) I would personally change it up. Play the league and provincials first finishing up by May. Then let the clubs have the players for 4 weeks (the way it was anyway) to get a start at their leagues. This will allow time to plan the fixtures for the new inter county championship. It could then start mid June and be wrapped up by the end of August.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2022, 12:17:31 PM
Just in the EPL this weekend, the winners, 4th place and last relegation place have to be decided. Compare that to the level of excitement for Dublin vs Meath last Sunday.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2022, 06:47:17 AM
Sorry, haven't replied. Fair play to Dublin county board. Our football championship doesn't start until the first weekend in September.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 21, 2022, 09:30:52 AM
Obviously allowing for the post AIF celebrations and recovery Farr ;D
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2022, 09:55:13 PM
Obviously allowing for the post AIF celebrations and recovery Farr ;D

 ;D method to their madness alright...(if only)  :-X
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 22, 2022, 02:12:37 AM
Just in the EPL this weekend, the winners, 4th place and last relegation place have to be decided. Compare that to the level of excitement for Dublin vs Meath last Sunday.

Umm... we had quite an interesting last day in our league competition, or did you forget?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2022, 11:52:50 AM
Just in the EPL this weekend, the winners, 4th place and last relegation place have to be decided. Compare that to the level of excitement for Dublin vs Meath last Sunday.

Umm... we had quite an interesting last day in our league competition, or did you forget?
We did. But the GAA put its own games in direct competition with soccer and rugby by choosing to start the championship in April. Maybe the football product isn't strong enough for that.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 22, 2022, 12:45:49 PM
Should we only have Inter County Gaelic games when we're absolutely sure no other sport is taking place anywhere?
We'd never play at all if we're trying to avoid other sports.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2022, 12:52:14 PM
Should we only have Inter County Gaelic games when we're absolutely sure no other sport is taking place anywhere?
We'd never play at all if we're trying to avoid other sports.
No. But we shouldn't run the championship when we are in  competition with soccerball and rubby and then leave the months of August and September to other sports.
GAA should be the summer.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 22, 2022, 01:25:49 PM
By "GAA" do you mean inter Co Championships or a mixture of inter Co and Club Championships?
Wasn't the operation of the latter system what had everyone moaning about fixtures, setting up CPA etc?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on May 22, 2022, 02:14:45 PM
Soccer is global sport thats is played throughtout the year  so gaa would be in competition with it any time of the year really and up against a major championship every 2 years (exemption this year because the world cup in november)
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2022, 02:58:56 PM
By "GAA" do you mean inter Co Championships or a mixture of inter Co and Club Championships?
Wasn't the operation of the latter system what had everyone moaning about fixtures, setting up CPA etc?
Interco.
The GAA brought in 2 major changes.  The shorter season and the April start. They should review the operation of both
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 22, 2022, 03:02:27 PM
Soccer is global sport thats is played throughtout the year  so gaa would be in competition with it any time of the year really and up against a major championship every 2 years (exemption this year because the world cup in november)
English soccer is what counts in Ireland. It has its close season in June, July and part of August.
The World Cup aNd Euros typically take place in June. Which would coincide with end stages of all Irelands . Which is suboptimal.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: full moon on May 22, 2022, 07:51:26 PM
The hurling lads on Sunday game discussed it and said the same, it should be changed back
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Hound on May 23, 2022, 08:05:52 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Soccer and rugby are done for the summer (after the two euro finals next Saturday). GAA has a complete monopoly on sports for June and July. Then club has top billing from August onwards. That is literally what the majority were asking for.

A lot of hullabaloo is because Tipp are out so soon in the hurling. Boo hoo, they were shite and deserved to be gone.

This is the upcoming fixture list:

May 28/29: Provincial finals and Tailteann 1st round
June 4/5: Qualifiers 1 and Tailteann QF
June 11/12: Qualifiers 2
June 19: Tailteann SF
June 25/26: All Ireland QF
July 2/3: [hurling semi finals]
July 9/10: All Ireland semis, Tailteann final, minor final (double bill each day)
July 17: All Ireland hurling final
July 24: All Ireland football final

That’s fantastic. 9 weekends in a row. And apart from the first one, GAA is the only show in town.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 23, 2022, 08:08:27 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Soccer and rugby are done for the summer (after the two euro finals next Saturday). GAA has a complete monopoly on sports for June and July. Then club has top billing from August onwards. That is literally what the majority were asking for.

A lot of hullabaloo is because Tipp are out so soon in the hurling. Boo hoo, they were shite and deserved to be gone.

This is the upcoming fixture list:

May 28/29: Provincial finals and Tailteann 1st round
June 4/5: Qualifiers 1 and Tailteann QF
June 11/12: Qualifiers 2
June 19: Tailteann SF
June 25/26: All Ireland QF
July 2/3: [hurling semi finals]
July 9/10: All Ireland semis, Tailteann final, minor final (double bill each day)
July 17: All Ireland hurling final
July 24: All Ireland football final

That’s fantastic. 9 weekends in a row. And apart from the first one, GAA is the only show in town.

Best post on this thread so far.

The number of people who’ve convinced themselves that the early rounds of the championship taking place in the month of May is a new direction for the GAA, is absolutely bewildering.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on May 23, 2022, 09:00:53 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Soccer and rugby are done for the summer (after the two euro finals next Saturday). GAA has a complete monopoly on sports for June and July. Then club has top billing from August onwards. That is literally what the majority were asking for.

A lot of hullabaloo is because Tipp are out so soon in the hurling. Boo hoo, they were shite and deserved to be gone.

This is the upcoming fixture list:

May 28/29: Provincial finals and Tailteann 1st round
June 4/5: Qualifiers 1 and Tailteann QF
June 11/12: Qualifiers 2
June 19: Tailteann SF
June 25/26: All Ireland QF
July 2/3: [hurling semi finals]
July 9/10: All Ireland semis, Tailteann final, minor final (double bill each day)
July 17: All Ireland hurling final
July 24: All Ireland football final

That’s fantastic. 9 weekends in a row. And apart from the first one, GAA is the only show in town.

Rugby regular season is done. The playoffs are still to come over June
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 23, 2022, 09:20:15 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Soccer and rugby are done for the summer (after the two euro finals next Saturday). GAA has a complete monopoly on sports for June and July. Then club has top billing from August onwards. That is literally what the majority were asking for.

A lot of hullabaloo is because Tipp are out so soon in the hurling. Boo hoo, they were shite and deserved to be gone.

This is the upcoming fixture list:

May 28/29: Provincial finals and Tailteann 1st round
June 4/5: Qualifiers 1 and Tailteann QF
June 11/12: Qualifiers 2
June 19: Tailteann SF
June 25/26: All Ireland QF
July 2/3: [hurling semi finals]
July 9/10: All Ireland semis, Tailteann final, minor final (double bill each day)
July 17: All Ireland hurling final
July 24: All Ireland football final

That’s fantastic. 9 weekends in a row. And apart from the first one, GAA is the only show in town.
Only because the World Cup is in Qatar in December. FIFA corruption is a separate issue.

2024 Euros take place between 14 June – 14 July. Every 2 years this will happen because of the nature of soccer seasons.
Running the feature games of the all Ireland hurling and football between 14 June – 14 July is insane.
BTW the GAA has changed the football championship 5 times in the last 6 seasons so coherence isn't necessarily a feature.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on May 23, 2022, 09:51:50 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Soccer and rugby are done for the summer (after the two euro finals next Saturday). GAA has a complete monopoly on sports for June and July. Then club has top billing from August onwards. That is literally what the majority were asking for.

A lot of hullabaloo is because Tipp are out so soon in the hurling. Boo hoo, they were shite and deserved to be gone.

This is the upcoming fixture list:

May 28/29: Provincial finals and Tailteann 1st round
June 4/5: Qualifiers 1 and Tailteann QF
June 11/12: Qualifiers 2
June 19: Tailteann SF
June 25/26: All Ireland QF
July 2/3: [hurling semi finals]
July 9/10: All Ireland semis, Tailteann final, minor final (double bill each day)
July 17: All Ireland hurling final
July 24: All Ireland football final

That’s fantastic. 9 weekends in a row. And apart from the first one, GAA is the only show in town.
Only because the World Cup is in Qatar in December. FIFA corruption is a separate issue.

2024 Euros take place between 14 June – 14 July. Every 2 years this will happen because of the nature of soccer seasons.
Running the feature games of the all Ireland hurling and football between 14 June – 14 July is insane.
BTW the GAA has changed the football championship 5 times in the last 6 seasons so coherence isn't necessarily a feature.

So what? Who is more important ; the club player who actually plays the sport , or the punter who won’t go to their county’s championship game because Germany are playing Ghana on tv?
This obsession with other sports is so weird.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: HiMucker on May 23, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about. Soccer and rugby are done for the summer (after the two euro finals next Saturday). GAA has a complete monopoly on sports for June and July. Then club has top billing from August onwards. That is literally what the majority were asking for.

A lot of hullabaloo is because Tipp are out so soon in the hurling. Boo hoo, they were shite and deserved to be gone.

This is the upcoming fixture list:

May 28/29: Provincial finals and Tailteann 1st round
June 4/5: Qualifiers 1 and Tailteann QF
June 11/12: Qualifiers 2
June 19: Tailteann SF
June 25/26: All Ireland QF
July 2/3: [hurling semi finals]
July 9/10: All Ireland semis, Tailteann final, minor final (double bill each day)
July 17: All Ireland hurling final
July 24: All Ireland football final

That’s fantastic. 9 weekends in a row. And apart from the first one, GAA is the only show in town.
Only because the World Cup is in Qatar in December. FIFA corruption is a separate issue.

2024 Euros take place between 14 June – 14 July. Every 2 years this will happen because of the nature of soccer seasons.
Running the feature games of the all Ireland hurling and football between 14 June – 14 July is insane.
BTW the GAA has changed the football championship 5 times in the last 6 seasons so coherence isn't necessarily a feature.
Insane?? Talk about an over reaction. Hounds and Sharks posts are bang on.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on May 23, 2022, 11:50:09 AM
33 Football and 9 hurley stuff games to come.
Who couldn't be excited?
Now if we could have a new name on Sam....or at least someone whose name hasn't been on it for a long time...like 78 years....
As for hurling a Wexford win would be nice!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 23, 2022, 01:18:27 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried about the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!

Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!



Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on May 23, 2022, 02:08:27 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried that the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!

Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Exactly. The "other sports" argument is not based on anything real. It's a bogeyman. Idleness is the competition - not other sports.
This entire argument is being pushed really hard by RTE and others in media - it's so transparent. Pretending they give two hoots about the Westmeath hurlers, when they shot their game against Wexford through the back end of a telescope. Almost every single player on the Westmeath hurling panel is a club footballer too. The majority with senior clubs. They have, at a minimum, 11 championship games ahead of them between hurling and football. Their season is far from over.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on May 23, 2022, 08:57:26 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried that the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!


Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Exactly. The "other sports" argument is not based on anything real. It's a bogeyman. Idleness is the competition - not other sports.
This entire argument is being pushed really hard by RTE and others in media - it's so transparent. Pretending they give two hoots about the Westmeath hurlers, when they shot their game against Wexford through the back end of a telescope. Almost every single player on the Westmeath hurling panel is a club footballer too. The majority with senior clubs. They have, at a minimum, 11 championship games ahead of them between hurling and football. Their season is far from over.

Not in June/July during a World Cup/euros. RTE sell ad space based on TAM ratings.  TV sport is competitive.
The GAA has a shop window and it's handing it over in August/September.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on May 23, 2022, 09:24:56 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried that the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!


Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Exactly. The "other sports" argument is not based on anything real. It's a bogeyman. Idleness is the competition - not other sports.
This entire argument is being pushed really hard by RTE and others in media - it's so transparent. Pretending they give two hoots about the Westmeath hurlers, when they shot their game against Wexford through the back end of a telescope. Almost every single player on the Westmeath hurling panel is a club footballer too. The majority with senior clubs. They have, at a minimum, 11 championship games ahead of them between hurling and football. Their season is far from over.

Not in June/July during a World Cup/euros. RTE sell ad space based on TAM ratings.  TV sport is competitive.
The GAA has a shop window and it's handing it over in August/September.

Wait, I thought the “shop window” argument was about capturing the hearts and minds of the nation. About the kids who’ll otherwise spend their time playing other sports and the GAA would be fecked.
Now that I hear it’s about advertisement space. Why do the RTE panellists not make this argument? As they’d lose all credibility immediately.
GAA is a sporting organisation, not a business. The people who actually play the sport came together to make this change happen. It was long overdue.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on May 23, 2022, 11:49:26 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried that the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!


Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Exactly. The "other sports" argument is not based on anything real. It's a bogeyman. Idleness is the competition - not other sports.
This entire argument is being pushed really hard by RTE and others in media - it's so transparent. Pretending they give two hoots about the Westmeath hurlers, when they shot their game against Wexford through the back end of a telescope. Almost every single player on the Westmeath hurling panel is a club footballer too. The majority with senior clubs. They have, at a minimum, 11 championship games ahead of them between hurling and football. Their season is far from over.

Not in June/July during a World Cup/euros. RTE sell ad space based on TAM ratings.  TV sport is competitive.
The GAA has a shop window and it's handing it over in August/September.

The GAA’s shop window is the fact that thousands of towns and villages across Ireland enjoy prime location facilities, and that kids are wired into the game from an early age through family ties, civic pride, and primary school connections.

That’s our USP. Always will be. That and the fact that you can still skelp an opponent.

We cannot compete with the EPL on their terms, using their methods. It’s daft to think we can.

As described above, our competition isn’t with other sports. The challenge is to keep going, doing what we do best. Not to compete.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Hound on May 24, 2022, 08:00:32 AM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried about the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!

Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Dublin Senior Hurling Championship starts on July 20

Dublin Senior Football Championship starts on August 6
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 25, 2022, 10:59:54 AM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried about the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!

Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Dublin Senior Hurling Championship starts on July 20

Dublin Senior Football Championship starts on August 6
How many Dublin county footballers play hurling for their clubs? Would the clubs be up in arms should the Dublin team reach the All-Ireland final?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on May 26, 2022, 02:18:52 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried about the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!

Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Dublin Senior Hurling Championship starts on July 20

Dublin Senior Football Championship starts on August 6
How many Dublin county footballers play hurling for their clubs? Would the clubs be up in arms should the Dublin team reach the All-Ireland final?

Cuala certainly would.

Des Cahill would turn grey if they couldn't play games without Con.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on May 26, 2022, 02:34:54 PM
The HURLING MEN who suddenly care about Westmeath hurlers...They are talking about Westmeath hurlers on an RTÉ show that has never in my memory put them on telly live.

GPA original Donal Og is now on board for a games promotion argument in spite of the fact that players at all levels are keen on a split season.

Can anyone confirm when the Dub hurling championship is starting as I see lads on Twitter contradicting the Sept statement?

Now games promotion is the big worry even though most GAA players can't talk to media during the season bar crappy press nights. Like we lose so many youngsters every year to simply giving up and we are worried about the Premier League and Munster Rugby?!

Let's be honest the fun is only starting now!

Dublin Senior Hurling Championship starts on July 20

Dublin Senior Football Championship starts on August 6
How many Dublin county footballers play hurling for their clubs? Would the clubs be up in arms should the Dublin team reach the All-Ireland final?

Cuala certainly would.

Des Cahill would turn grey if they couldn't play games without Con.

They played the county u21 football final without him a few years ago , as it clashed with Cuala's run in the Leinster hurling. Think they lost by a point. In any other county it would have been postposed 6 months - or longer.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 27, 2022, 12:35:14 PM
I see on twitter than Galway Hurlers are not having a press night and Kerry Footballers didn't speak at theirs...what about the shop window for the childer to see find out more and see their heroes???!!!!


Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: tiempo on May 27, 2022, 04:20:47 PM
I see on twitter than Galway Hurlers are not having a press night and Kerry Footballers didn't speak at theirs...what about the shop window for the childer to see find out more and see their heroes???!!!!

All all the better we are for it, if this is anything GPA related they need brought down a peg or 2 for their ongoing con
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2022, 05:22:55 PM
One of the issues with a congested season is games will clash and underage matches like this weekends All Ireland minor quarter finals loses the lime light that those groups of young players deserve.

Saturday

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park 3:45pm


All-Ireland MFC quarter-fiinals
Cork v Derry, Portlaoise, 6pm
Tyrone v Kerry, Portlaoise, 4pm

Sunday

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Armagh v Donegal, Clones, 4pm
Cork v Limerick, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, 1.30pm

All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, 2.30pm
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, 12.30pm

Of course those at the top could have scheduled things better and had a few triple headers perhaps?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on June 26, 2022, 04:57:22 PM
I’m currently laughing out loud at those who reckoned the value of the championship was related to its late summer position.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on June 29, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
Some nonsense talked here

This new season has been a dream for most

Also, can we not screen the club finals from around the country in August/Sept?

TG4's screening of club games is one of the best things to happen in the GAA in a generation
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on June 30, 2022, 09:42:53 AM
Now is not the time to make the judgement, we're all enthralled by the amount of top level action going on week after week - the youngsters out my way are all out on the green with their hurls and footballs and pretty engaged in what's going on in the Championship.  But, to my mind it's a bit like Wimbledon, you know the week where we all got our tennis rackets out (little wooden things with thick plastic strings - usually a crack in the wood too) and tried to play tennis again.

The time to really assess the damage this is doing is in the break from the end of July right through to the start of April next year, when action really seeps into the consciousness of most people.
You can talk all you like about how club games will replace the void, but for the large majority, they simply won't.  In rural Ireland where the club is the heart of the community, yes club championships will do the job, but, most people live in urban areas and I don't know of any large urban area where clubs have anywhere near the same level of mass community buy-in as in rural areas.
In Dublin, there's almost no awareness of what is going on at club level, numbers playing underage (at least to u12) are massive, but few parents or kids know anything of what's happening at senior level.  Club championship games here attract low hundreds, if well marketed.  Like clubs everywhere there's always a core of people who are totally involved, and pretty much do everything, but they represent a tiny fraction of the local population. 
For most people here in Dublin and I guess the other larger urban areas, GAA will be gone from the start of August until the end of April.  For kids, they'll keep on attending training and matches, but other sports will be hold their interest and be their passion.

I think the extension into August for both championships would provide a little bit extra, not saying it would solve the issue, there's definitely loads the GAA could do in terms of upping the appeal and interest in their games (laugh if you like, but fantasy games and official short highlights packages from every game would be great for kids who tend to be obsessed with such things), but having that slightly longer window would at least leave games in the shop window a little longer and allow for less concentration of games on particular weekends, such as we had throughout May and June.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 30, 2022, 10:44:24 AM
The split season was sold on the basis that club championships would take precedent during the summer when clubs would have access to all of their players. But even in the first year this seems to be far from the case. A lot of counties aren't starting their championship to September. And another problem is a huge volume of players including numerous top level county players are heading to America for the Summer to play and won't be available anyway. This dilutes the club action to a certain extent.

Also given the cost of attending county games it can be costly going straight from league into championship. Personally I think based on the new system next year they should run the provincial championships and league of by the end of April. Then sort out the county fixtures for the rest of the championship when all teams known and allow teams/fans time to plan. Allow players back to play club games for a 5/6 week period. Then play inter county from mid June and have it wrapped up by the end of August. Will ensure less clashes of big games with other sports too.

No system is perfect but the idea of the split season isn't working out as planned at all.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on June 30, 2022, 11:31:55 AM
That 5 ir 6 week period will likely see County managers running maniac training sessions or weekends away meaning Co players won't get a chance to play club anyway.
By the way did I hear that Mayowestros only started their adult Leagues 1st June?!
I'd say the local soccer clubs in Mayo were delighted!!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on June 30, 2022, 11:48:28 AM
The split season was sold on the basis that club championships would take precedent during the summer when clubs would have access to all of their players. But even in the first year this seems to be far from the case. A lot of counties aren't starting their championship to September. And another problem is a huge volume of players including numerous top level county players are heading to America for the Summer to play and won't be available anyway. This dilutes the club action to a certain extent.

Also given the cost of attending county games it can be costly going straight from league into championship. Personally I think based on the new system next year they should run the provincial championships and league of by the end of April. Then sort out the county fixtures for the rest of the championship when all teams known and allow teams/fans time to plan. Allow players back to play club games for a 5/6 week period. Then play inter county from mid June and have it wrapped up by the end of August. Will ensure less clashes of big games with other sports too.

No system is perfect but the idea of the split season isn't working out as planned at all.
I know in Armagh the championship is starting late August but the leagues are going right up to then with maybe a two week break pre championship. Can’t really blame lads for going to America and best of luck to all that do it, any Armagh lads going will be back for club championship as far as I know. Think this system is fairly decent although given recent events time needs to be set aside for replays! ;)
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 30, 2022, 11:52:42 AM
The split season was sold on the basis that club championships would take precedent during the summer when clubs would have access to all of their players. But even in the first year this seems to be far from the case. A lot of counties aren't starting their championship to September. And another problem is a huge volume of players including numerous top level county players are heading to America for the Summer to play and won't be available anyway. This dilutes the club action to a certain extent.

Also given the cost of attending county games it can be costly going straight from league into championship. Personally I think based on the new system next year they should run the provincial championships and league of by the end of April. Then sort out the county fixtures for the rest of the championship when all teams known and allow teams/fans time to plan. Allow players back to play club games for a 5/6 week period. Then play inter county from mid June and have it wrapped up by the end of August. Will ensure less clashes of big games with other sports too.

No system is perfect but the idea of the split season isn't working out as planned at all.
I know in Armagh the championship is starting late August but the leagues are going right up to then with maybe a two week break pre championship. Can’t really blame lads for going to America and best of luck to all that do it, any Armagh lads going will be back for club championship as far as I know. Think this system is fairly decent although given recent events time needs to be set aside for replays! ;)

I'm not criticising lads for going to America. I just don't know how much sense it makes to stop playing county football during the summer. The reason was to allow for top quality club action from mid July to the end of August. In reality there will be very little club championship football played and the league games will be played of without a host of players who are away for the summer.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on June 30, 2022, 11:58:55 AM
The split season was sold on the basis that club championships would take precedent during the summer when clubs would have access to all of their players. But even in the first year this seems to be far from the case. A lot of counties aren't starting their championship to September. And another problem is a huge volume of players including numerous top level county players are heading to America for the Summer to play and won't be available anyway. This dilutes the club action to a certain extent.

Also given the cost of attending county games it can be costly going straight from league into championship. Personally I think based on the new system next year they should run the provincial championships and league of by the end of April. Then sort out the county fixtures for the rest of the championship when all teams known and allow teams/fans time to plan. Allow players back to play club games for a 5/6 week period. Then play inter county from mid June and have it wrapped up by the end of August. Will ensure less clashes of big games with other sports too.

No system is perfect but the idea of the split season isn't working out as planned at all.
I know in Armagh the championship is starting late August but the leagues are going right up to then with maybe a two week break pre championship. Can’t really blame lads for going to America and best of luck to all that do it, any Armagh lads going will be back for club championship as far as I know. Think this system is fairly decent although given recent events time needs to be set aside for replays! ;)

I'm not criticising lads for going to America. I just don't know how much sense it makes to stop playing county football during the summer. The reason was to allow for top quality club action from mid July to the end of August. In reality there will be very little club championship football played and the league games will be played of without a host of players who are away for the summer.
Not sure about other counties but in Armagh we tend to finish up the leagues before the championship starts. Maybe a system that all league games are finished up by the time the all ireland comes around then club championship starts the following week (bar the 2 finalists). Completely agree with what you’re saying.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: pbat on June 30, 2022, 06:34:08 PM
Its more apparent now that the GPA's big push for the split season was nothing to do with average club players and all to do with the lure of the Dollar for the elites.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on June 30, 2022, 06:50:38 PM
Its more apparent now that the GPA's big push for the split season was nothing to do with average club players and all to do with the lure of the Dollar for the elites.

I love a bit of GPA bashing myself, but it wasn’t them that drove the split season.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: pbat on June 30, 2022, 06:53:20 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40030529.html
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 07:00:39 PM
Football final 24 July. 5 months to Christmas .

Cad a dhéanfaimid feasta gan adhmad ?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on June 30, 2022, 07:19:21 PM
Its more apparent now that the GPA's big push for the split season was nothing to do with average club players and all to do with the lure of the Dollar for the elites.

I love a bit of GPA bashing myself, but it wasn’t them that drove the split season.
What really drove it over the line was playing Club Championships first after the Covid closedown in 2020 .
Virtually everybody said Club Championships should be played when  no County games were happening.
Weren't the AI hurling and football Finals already brought forward a few weeks in 18 and 19?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: JBM on the 21 on June 30, 2022, 07:40:23 PM
How would it have fared if a summer World Cup had taken place?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on June 30, 2022, 07:49:53 PM
How would it have fared if a summer World Cup had taken place?
I don't think it would have.

We are approaching the peak of the season and next year it will coincide with the Euros.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Derryman forever on July 01, 2022, 01:36:31 PM
How would it have fared if a summer World Cup had taken place?

Fifa would have reprogrammed ,obviously.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 02, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
Busy with the J1s this summer, Chicago GAA are to live stream games. plenty more county players gone to San Francisco, Boston, New York, Philadelphia i wonder will they do the same.


Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2022, 06:41:21 PM
We near the end of the county season, and most club fball about round 12/15, the time for club fball, has seen alot of players piss off to America.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2022, 01:23:03 PM
Football final 24 July. 5 months to Christmas .

Cad a dhéanfaimid feasta gan adhmad ?

Club games, club games all over the country, plenty of which I'll have next to no interest in.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 03, 2022, 01:32:29 PM
Seeing as most adult club championships won't start till August anyway I'd suspect AI Finals will be a week or 2 later next year or 2.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
We near the end of the county season, and most club fball about round 12/15, the time for club fball, as seen alot of players piss off to America.

This. There are teams in America that would challenge for an all-ireland. I expect them to look at the structure again, bound to be having second thoughts.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael80 on July 03, 2022, 04:29:28 PM
At this rate Sky Sports will be buying the rights to US GAA, that's where it's all happening . They must be delighted over there with the competitions they can now organise for 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 03, 2022, 07:29:41 PM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: TheMistro on July 03, 2022, 08:04:40 PM
Seeing as most adult club championships won't start till August anyway I'd suspect AI Finals will be a week or 2 later next year or 2.

When are All Ireland club final this year?  Counties in particular dual cutting it tight starting in August.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Blowitupref on July 03, 2022, 09:38:30 PM
Seeing as most adult club championships won't start till August anyway I'd suspect AI Finals will be a week or 2 later next year or 2.

When are All Ireland club final this year? Counties in particular dual cutting it tight starting in August.
January 2023.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on July 03, 2022, 10:05:33 PM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.
no chance. Let the lads go and enjoy themselves in the US make a few quid then come home and play club championship. The effort they put in for their county all year its the least they deserve.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2022, 11:36:27 PM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.

Do that and the unintended consequences will quickly appear.

Currently America is a jolly for students. Go out for a few months and enjoy no strings attached football. They’ve to be back for September anyway to continue their education.

Move it to a 6 month stay and the sponsors no longer target students. Instead they go after graduates, and that 6 month term will often turn into a year, a couple of years, a lifetime.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael80 on July 04, 2022, 07:41:53 AM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.

I wouldn't agree with that, let them go out to play a bit of football and have a summer break if they're out of the inter county championships, playing club league games is no comparsion to a few months in the US.

However we do need to review the schedule in Ireland, we don't need penalities to decide latter stage games or such a short All Ireland series to facilitate players going over to the US, which is what the new system effectively does. Push the All Ireland Finals into August!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 07:47:05 AM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.

Ah, a fun killer. Let them go out and have their fun, it's a few months, they'll be back for club championship, it's harming no one. Let them at it
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2022, 09:38:13 AM
A lot of support for semi Professionalism I see ::)
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: pbat on July 04, 2022, 10:12:19 AM
Id go even further RossFan and outlaw any outside managers or coaches for the clubs or county. In the event a small club genuinely cant get a clubman to do it they have to make a case to the county board justifying the need to approach an outside man. Kill the mercenary manager gravy train. 
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on July 04, 2022, 11:10:55 AM
A lot of support for semi Professionalism I see ::)

It is already, even here
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Keyser soze on July 04, 2022, 12:12:22 PM
As the Chinese leader in the 1980's said when asked about the French Revolution 'it's much too early to say if it's been a success'
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: keep her low this half on July 04, 2022, 03:45:52 PM
Id go even further RossFan and outlaw any outside managers or coaches for the clubs or county. In the event a small club genuinely cant get a clubman to do it they have to make a case to the county board justifying the need to approach an outside man. Kill the mercenary manager gravy train.
I am with you, draft up a proposal for Croke park
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Cavan19 on July 04, 2022, 03:47:51 PM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.

I wouldn't agree with that, let them go out to play a bit of football and have a summer break if they're out of the inter county championships, playing club league games is no comparsion to a few months in the US.

However we do need to review the schedule in Ireland, we don't need penalities to decide latter stage games or such a short All Ireland series to facilitate players going over to the US, which is what the new system effectively does. Push the All Ireland Finals into August!

If they play intercounty Championship they  won't get a transfer AFAIK.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on July 04, 2022, 03:48:58 PM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.

I wouldn't agree with that, let them go out to play a bit of football and have a summer break if they're out of the inter county championships, playing club league games is no comparsion to a few months in the US.

However we do need to review the schedule in Ireland, we don't need penalities to decide latter stage games or such a short All Ireland series to facilitate players going over to the US, which is what the new system effectively does. Push the All Ireland Finals into August!

If they play intercounty Championship they  won't get a transfer AFAIK.
What? Half of Armagh, Down,  Mayo and more are out there at the min
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Cavan19 on July 04, 2022, 03:50:30 PM
Make all temporary transfers last for 6 months.

I wouldn't agree with that, let them go out to play a bit of football and have a summer break if they're out of the inter county championships, playing club league games is no comparsion to a few months in the US.

However we do need to review the schedule in Ireland, we don't need penalities to decide latter stage games or such a short All Ireland series to facilitate players going over to the US, which is what the new system effectively does. Push the All Ireland Finals into August!

If they play intercounty Championship they  won't get a transfer AFAIK.
What? Half of Armagh, Down,  Mayo and more are out there at the min

Is that not the reason the Derry guy pulled of the panel a week or 2 before championhsip?

Edit: Could be completely wrong though i read it here.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2022, 03:55:14 PM
Isn't it that you can't get a transfer until your County exits the Championship (incl TC)?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Loughshore2022 on July 04, 2022, 04:14:23 PM
It is not so good for casual fan who doesn't care about club GAA so basically the next time I will watch sport will be January. Maybe I should start watching American football, I am not sure I could stomach the wokeness of that now.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Dreadnought on July 05, 2022, 07:20:57 AM
Isn't it that you can't get a transfer until your County exits the Championship (incl TC)?

Correct, only players from those counties that are already out are over in the US
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Armagh18 on July 05, 2022, 09:03:50 AM
It is not so good for casual fan who doesn't care about club GAA so basically the next time I will watch sport will be January. Maybe I should start watching American football, I am not sure I could stomach the wokeness of that now.
Maybe get interested in the club scene. Does be some cracking games and tg4 cover a lot of them.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: TheMistro on July 07, 2022, 01:56:18 PM
The early championship has been damp squid.  A lot of people on holidays in June July. Pros it benefits the ordinary club player who have brushed aside the last 20 year.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on July 07, 2022, 02:52:20 PM
The early championship has been damp squid.  A lot of people on holidays in June July. Pros it benefits the ordinary club player who have brushed aside the last 20 year.

And that benefit is what really matters , as every player is a club player. People can go on holidays whenever they want , it’s not relevant. And certainly not sure how seafood is relevant ;)
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 17, 2022, 12:14:16 PM
For a change Club Leagues were run and completed in a defined timeframe before Championships start.
The 5 Ros adult League Finals were last weekend (1 conceded ...)
Previously the last 3 or 4 Rounds and Finals were regularly held over till after Championships and would have seen Finals played in December or God knows when.
Also Counties with teams reaching AI Finals will be able to start Club Championships the same time as every other County. Before they were rushing things through to get done before Provincials started leading to things like playing a Semi Final on a Monday night, Final on a Friday and Provincial on a Sunday.
It does mean a more condensed County season with less time between games for blather in the media and build up etc. but improves the games to training ratio.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 17, 2022, 01:11:33 PM
Players want games and they are coming thick and fast this year. The club scene is already really up and running and we even say the lesser-spotted county man line out for some league games.

It's just a case of a new cycle for everyone to get used to, but look at the craic in Westmeath after the Tailteann Cup. The players are in favour of these changes and there is no point in going against the majority over the screen time merchants and the pundits who are not arsed doing any homework on club action anyway.

RTÉ and TG4 will both be at it for the club scene in decent weather in a few months too.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: sam03/05 on July 17, 2022, 09:47:39 PM
August will be rubbish
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: lenny on July 17, 2022, 09:56:51 PM
August will be rubbish

Only from a tv point of view. Lots of club games of real quality to look forward to.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Turf on July 18, 2022, 07:47:28 AM
Was definitely strange having the All Ireland Final yesterday in July. Has it been a success or not I suppose in the grander scheme of things it doesn’t really matter does it? We have an All Ireland winner anyways so does it matter if it’s July or September.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: naka on July 18, 2022, 10:37:51 AM
there were a fair few spaces about croker yesterday and definitely any amount of tickets to be bought outside,
not sure if its because the final is being played at the height of summer or just teh cost of a day out.
be interesting to see what happens next weekend.
for me i definitely think its too congested and hasnt really been a success 
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 11:02:15 AM
Players want games and they are coming thick and fast this year. The club scene is already really up and running and we even say the lesser-spotted county man line out for some league games.

It's just a case of a new cycle for everyone to get used to, but look at the craic in Westmeath after the Tailteann Cup. The players are in favour of these changes and there is no point in going against the majority over the screen time merchants and the pundits who are not arsed doing any homework on club action anyway.

RTÉ and TG4 will both be at it for the club scene in decent weather in a few months too.

Are RTE covering club games again this year?

Any games pencilled in yet?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 18, 2022, 01:40:07 PM
August will be rubbish

Only from a tv point of view. Lots of club games of real quality to look forward to.
GAA becoming niche for about half the population. There'll be little awareness of it again until next May, then it'll get a 2 month window in the sun when there's so many games people can't keep track of them anyway. Not a way to build a lifelong passion in our games imo and suspect it will be revisited once the financial implications become clear too.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on July 18, 2022, 02:14:03 PM
August will be rubbish

Only from a tv point of view. Lots of club games of real quality to look forward to.
GAA becoming niche for about half the population. There'll be little awareness of it again until next May, then it'll get a 2 month window in the sun when there's so many games people can't keep track of them anyway. Not a way to build a lifelong passion in our games imo and suspect it will be revisited once the financial implications become clear too.

Not sure how you can quantify the financial impact in a meaningful way considering the cost of living has sky rocketed and if anything the GAA hasn't help by the pricing of tickets for the semi-finals (€55) and the finals ($80) probably put quite a few off.

The other side of this is that County Boards aren't having to spend so much on team managements, traveling expenses, backroom teams with the condensed season, but I can see a few tweaks coming with maybe the two finals pushed out to the end of July/early August based on club championships not starting till the latter part of August driven by player availability, i.e. holidays and J1 visas.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: mad tan on July 18, 2022, 02:37:59 PM
The Div 1 League Final was played last weekend. When I saw the result on the local paper I had to phone a friend to ask was it this years or last years final. It was great to get the leagues played but it seems teams played Saturday and Wednesday evenings so it was rushed. OK now the Championship starts five or six group  games. If a teams fails to make the knockout stage there season will be over second week of September. Is that what Clubs want.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 19, 2022, 12:44:34 AM
August will be rubbish

Only from a tv point of view. Lots of club games of real quality to look forward to.
GAA becoming niche for about half the population. There'll be little awareness of it again until next May, then it'll get a 2 month window in the sun when there's so many games people can't keep track of them anyway. Not a way to build a lifelong passion in our games imo and suspect it will be revisited once the financial implications become clear too.

Not sure how you can quantify the financial impact in a meaningful way considering the cost of living has sky rocketed and if anything the GAA hasn't help by the pricing of tickets for the semi-finals (€55) and the finals ($80) probably put quite a few off.

The other side of this is that County Boards aren't having to spend so much on team managements, traveling expenses, backroom teams with the condensed season, but I can see a few tweaks coming with maybe the two finals pushed out to the end of July/early August based on club championships not starting till the latter part of August driven by player availability, i.e. holidays and J1 visas.
I don't think there's been a huge problem with football attendances. The financial implications are more around the value of the product to sponsors and TV given the tiny exposure window the games now have. Another problem for TV/media is trying to give coverage to everything, which just isn't possible currently when there are a multitude of top class games on simultaneously. For TV purposes the ideal is one or two games per weekend for as long as possible, sells advertising and fills schedules. 40 games over 20 weekends generates much more revenue than 40 games over 10 weekends does. Inevitably the value of your TV rights drops. Similarly with sponsors, less chances for exposure or over a relatively short window, the lower the value sponsors will put on the product.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2022, 09:10:46 AM
I was in Albufeira last weekend.

Walked down town for the second half of Dublin v Kerry. Almost every single bar was showing the GAA, and all of those were busy. This will only ever happen in English friendly resorts when there’s nothing else to watch.

That’s exposure. Sitting on your arse for a month between games doesn’t generate exposure.

——-

I’d also wonder how World Cups (rugby, soccer, darts, snooker, and so o) can possibly thrive and have advertisers beating down their doors, when they run off their competitions so quickly, with multiple matches at once?

——

Exposure?

I reckon your angles are altogether skewed on this one.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 19, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
Ignore Joe at your leisure depending what you think of him but Lee Keegan also gives it a ringing endorsement.

https://punditarena.com/gaa/andrew-dempsey/joe-brolly-rubbishes-concerns-over-shortened-all-ireland-schedule/?amp
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
"The players want it"
Enough said.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 20, 2022, 01:08:27 AM
I was in Albufeira last weekend.

Walked down town for the second half of Dublin v Kerry. Almost every single bar was showing the GAA, and all of those were busy. This will only ever happen in English friendly resorts when there’s nothing else to watch.

That’s exposure. Sitting on your arse for a month between games doesn’t generate exposure.

——-

I’d also wonder how World Cups (rugby, soccer, darts, snooker, and so o) can possibly thrive and have advertisers beating down their doors, when they run off their competitions so quickly, with multiple matches at once?

——

Exposure?

I reckon your angles are altogether skewed on this one.
Let's hope any new watchers of the sport were watching Kerry v Dublin and not Galway v Derry because in truth, the less exposure that game got the better!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: keep her low this half on July 20, 2022, 08:59:06 AM
I think a lot of the objections to the shortened inter county season are being led my GAA journalists and TV analysists. A shortened inter county season means less pay checks for those guys, less weeks of the Sunday game so less TV exposure.
The GAA has a huge problem with burnout of players at the top level, if the shortened county season helps reduce this then all the better, plus the club season is greatly improved by it.
I listened to RTE radio on Sunday spend 20 minutes explaining how cruel and dangerous it was to play an all ireland final in July, completely ignoring the fact that Munster and Leinster finals have always been played in July. Lots of vested interests at play particularly in the broadcasting world.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 20, 2022, 09:17:41 AM
It’s time rte started looking at the club championships to fill their spots…

Giving grassroots hurling/football a media platform throughout August and September will generate plenty of attention
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Cavan19 on July 20, 2022, 09:18:46 AM
It’s time rte started looking at the club championships to fill their spots…

Giving grassroots hurling/football a media platform throughout August and September will generate plenty of attention

They have been doing that the last few years.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on July 20, 2022, 01:02:53 PM
exactly the club championship should be promoted more and you could say it is  far more competitive    than intercounty
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 21, 2022, 02:16:50 AM
exactly the club championship should be promoted more and you could say it is  far more competitive    than intercounty
Yeah, the Dublin county final was a ringing endorsement for top class club football alright.
People like us will watch club games if they're on, we're in the minority. It's difficult to generate an interest for casual supporters in a club game where they've no affinity with the club or county.
Games played on shitty pitches, 15 men behind the ball, probably played in a giant stadium that's about 20% full at most. It's just not appealing to most people, and in my opinion, never will be.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2022, 07:46:27 AM
exactly the club championship should be promoted more and you could say it is  far more competitive    than intercounty
Yeah, the Dublin county final was a ringing endorsement for top class club football alright.
People like us will watch club games if they're on, we're in the minority. It's difficult to generate an interest for casual supporters in a club game where they've no affinity with the club or county.
Games played on shitty pitches, 15 men behind the ball, probably played in a giant stadium that's about 20% full at most. It's just not appealing to most people, and in my opinion, never will be.

* to most people *

Try yourself.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: yellowcard on July 21, 2022, 08:44:17 AM
Players want it and most GAA people that I speak with at grass roots club level want it. The only people who are complaining are those working in the media who are pushing their own agenda and a lot of casual armchair fans who sit at home getting their entertainment via their TV screens. Many of those same fans will take their opinions from pundits on those same sporting events. So it’s mostly those working in the media who want to push this notion.

I think it’s worked very well so far but wait until the end of the club season before it can be fully judged. For example I’m still at a loss as to why the AI club competitions cannot be finished within this calendar year.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 21, 2022, 08:51:41 AM
exactly the club championship should be promoted more and you could say it is  far more competitive    than intercounty
Yeah, the Dublin county final was a ringing endorsement for top class club football alright.
People like us will watch club games if they're on, we're in the minority. It's difficult to generate an interest for casual supporters in a club game where they've no affinity with the club or county.
Games played on shitty pitches, 15 men behind the ball, probably played in a giant stadium that's about 20% full at most. It's just not appealing to most people, and in my opinion, never will be.

* to most people *

Try yourself.
Most of the general public are not interested in club hurling or football games even in their own Counties never mind other Counties.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2022, 09:02:52 AM
Most of the general public have no interest in early round championship matches, or indeed the Super 8s. Fewer again the Tailteann Cup.

So why the county season should be dragged on interminably when there’s only 8-10 matches in each code that interest the general public, I’ll never know.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2022, 09:39:15 AM
It’s time rte started looking at the club championships to fill their spots…

Giving grassroots hurling/football a media platform throughout August and September will generate plenty of attention

They have been doing that the last few years.

Yes TG4 have been doing it for many years and recently RTE got their finger out and doing it now…

Club games obviously will never meet the highs of last Sundays final, but personally I love them, it’s the lad from up the road ya know who’s playing on National tv, brilliant promotion at grassroots and not these counties who have a separate bus to carry their gear!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: rrhf on July 21, 2022, 01:07:37 PM
Most of the general public have no interest in early round championship matches, or indeed the Super 8s. Fewer again the Tailteann Cup.

So why the county season should be dragged on interminably when there’s only 8-10 matches in each code that interest the general public, I’ll never know.
Great point.
However I think it has been a success. It has also  let the county players cash in on their profile for the summer in the states and enjoy a bit of a life, and the clubs and the club players now know to get on with it with who they have. Not perfect but better. 
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on July 21, 2022, 03:53:06 PM
exactly the club championship should be promoted more and you could say it is  far more competitive    than intercounty
Yeah, the Dublin county final was a ringing endorsement for top class club football alright.
People like us will watch club games if they're on, we're in the minority. It's difficult to generate an interest for casual supporters in a club game where they've no affinity with the club or county.
Games played on shitty pitches, 15 men behind the ball, probably played in a giant stadium that's about 20% full at most. It's just not appealing to most people, and in my opinion, never will be.

In August?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 21, 2022, 04:40:03 PM
The main arguments against the split season seem to be about armchair fans being unhappy and a few in the national media (not the local lads you may notice) giving out about promotion.
A lot of these lads are on the Sunday Game who would only ever give the likes of Wicklow footballers or the counties below Liam McCarthy a 2 minute reel anyway.

You can promote all you want but a crappy first round of the Leinster isn't going to get a big crowd anyway. Likewise I am not going to see another club play, bar the county finals.

Players dropping off and just being sick of training can be addressed now. The players all seem to enjoy it and lads can plan their lives a bit more.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 22, 2022, 02:21:14 AM
exactly the club championship should be promoted more and you could say it is  far more competitive    than intercounty
Yeah, the Dublin county final was a ringing endorsement for top class club football alright.
People like us will watch club games if they're on, we're in the minority. It's difficult to generate an interest for casual supporters in a club game where they've no affinity with the club or county.
Games played on shitty pitches, 15 men behind the ball, probably played in a giant stadium that's about 20% full at most. It's just not appealing to most people, and in my opinion, never will be.

* to most people *

Try yourself.
I certainly don't include myself there, I've spent many's the winter Sunday googling abbreviated gaeilge names trying to figure out what county hurling semi-final I'm watching! I've been involved in club football all my life to some extent, from playing, spectating, attempting to coach and administrating. And one thing that has taught me is that the appeal of the club is based on the community and belonging and all that stuff that the AIB ads say it is. Those feelings don't translate well to a mass audience, and the spectacle that quite a bit of club football now presents doesn't add to that appeal (Leitrim county final getting an honourable exemption there).
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
The main arguments against the split season seem to be about armchair fans being unhappy and a few in the national media (not the local lads you may notice) giving out about promotion.
A lot of these lads are on the Sunday Game who would only ever give the likes of Wicklow footballers or the counties below Liam McCarthy a 2 minute reel anyway.

You can promote all you want but a crappy first round of the Leinster isn't going to get a big crowd anyway. Likewise I am not going to see another club play, bar the county finals.

Players dropping off and just being sick of training can be addressed now. The players all seem to enjoy it and lads can plan their lives a bit more.

+1

The GAA exists to promote the interests of Irish people and the Irish diaspora

Top of that list for the GAA should be it's players, active members and volunteers

As far as I can see, among that group, there would be a mood of cautious welcoming of the new structures

The armchair warriors whose only experience of the GAA comes from the TV should be given ZERO consideration
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: armaghniac on July 22, 2022, 09:33:59 AM
Yes, the GAA should act in the interests of its current members. But it also needs to make some appeal to people not currently members in order to get more and attract new people.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 22, 2022, 10:01:48 AM
But the way people actually get into the GAA is mostly down to the local club putting in the work, not from seeing it on TV. Lads at local level going to encourage kids at school and that brings in the parents too.

The Players should be listened to as they are the ones flat out training. Now they have game after game like most sports and they seem to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 10:10:00 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: naka on July 22, 2022, 10:11:24 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!
league  fixtures will be over by then and championship run off to be finsihed at end september?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2022, 10:11:43 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

No league games either to play? Strange

Edit: rossfan talking shit
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 10:14:03 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!
league  fixtures will be over by then and championship run off to be finsihed at end september?
"Run off"  as in got out of the way?
Why not just have a weekend blitz!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: naka on July 22, 2022, 10:46:02 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!
league  fixtures will be over by then and championship run off to be finsihed at end september?
"Run off"  as in got out of the way?
Why not just have a weekend blitz!
run off as in a proper structure to allow guys to go on holidays and have everyone back
it was agreed by clubs and county board and for once allows players to know when the championship dates .
its a positive for once .
armagh have actually been progressive in trying to get leagues set up with teams of similiar standard which is a success
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 11:11:55 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

No league games either to play? Strange

Edit: rossfan talking shit
Just stating facts.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2022, 03:32:46 PM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

No league games either to play? Strange

Edit: rossfan talking shit
Just stating facts.

What’s the point of your facts though? Do you think they weren’t playing football till then?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 22, 2022, 03:55:26 PM
Not "my" fact, just a fact.
Sad to see them wasting July and August on oul Leagues if that's what they're at.
Anyway if that's what they want.....
We've finished Leagues thanks to the split season. Adult Championships start we 6/7 August.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on July 22, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
i think  all ireland finals should be played on saturdays
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2022, 04:32:39 PM
i think  all ireland finals should be played on saturdays

Less people work Sundays I’d assume you’d have more people able to watch it, could be wrong though
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on July 23, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
https://www.rte.ie/gaeilge/2022/0720/1311267-ce-a-dheanfaidh-an-beart-de-domhnaigh/
Is deacair a chreidiúint go bhfuil cluiche ceannais peile na hÉireann buailte linn agus seachtain fágtha i mí Iúil. 
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

Mayo's not starting till first weekend in September.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 24, 2022, 08:41:05 AM
But the way people actually get into the GAA is mostly down to the local club putting in the work, not from seeing it on TV. Lads at local level going to encourage kids at school and that brings in the parents too.

The Players should be listened to as they are the ones flat out training. Now they have game after game like most sports and they seem to enjoy it.
There's definitely a huge difference between urban and rural clubs. Rural clubs, the gaa tends to be the community and the split season will be work well for them, there'll be no drop off in interest, local kids will be engaged with what's happening, championship runs etc.

In my experience that's not the case with urban clubs. For 90% of kids and parents there, the gaa (barring their own team or matches) is now finished until next April/may. There's little to no awareness of what's going on at senior club level and for kids it's back to throwing themselves into the premier league, the rugby or whatever everyone is talking about and they can see on TV or YouTube.
Given most of the population are now urban, we're just making ourselves niche.
There is no easy fix, but this condensed championship is not a good solution in terms of games promotion, and it remains if it'll really improve the lot of the club player.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on July 24, 2022, 09:26:03 AM
But the way people actually get into the GAA is mostly down to the local club putting in the work, not from seeing it on TV. Lads at local level going to encourage kids at school and that brings in the parents too.

The Players should be listened to as they are the ones flat out training. Now they have game after game like most sports and they seem to enjoy it.
There's definitely a huge difference between urban and rural clubs. Rural clubs, the gaa tends to be the community and the split season will be work well for them, there'll be no drop off in interest, local kids will be engaged with what's happening, championship runs etc.

In my experience that's not the case with urban clubs. For 90% of kids and parents there, the gaa (barring their own team or matches) is now finished until next April/may. There's little to no awareness of what's going on at senior club level and for kids it's back to throwing themselves into the premier league, the rugby or whatever everyone is talking about and they can see on TV or YouTube.
Given most of the population are now urban, we're just making ourselves niche.
There is no easy fix, but this condensed championship is not a good solution in terms of games promotion, and it remains if it'll really improve the lot of the club player.

Ask any club player. If you actually know any. It has improved immensely.
I’m from an urban club. Would love to know where your 90% figure comes from. I guess you made it up? Not my experience.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 24, 2022, 11:06:40 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

Mayo's not starting till first weekend in September.
Is it true that ye're adult Club Leagues only started in June???
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Fionntamhnach on July 24, 2022, 11:13:04 AM
Club football leagues in Tyrone are due to conclude on the first weekend of September, ATM Division 1 (Senior) & Division 2 (Intermediate) have played 8/15 rounds with Division 3 (Junior) 10/17 so seven rounds to go - there's a double round of games next weekend (Friday evening & Sunday afternoon) then one round every weekend 'till 2nd/3rd September. Football championships then commence the following weekend with the Junior preliminary round, JFC & IFC first rounds scheduled for 15-19 September and the SFC to commence on 22-26 September. All three championships in Tyrone are straight knockout so if you're beat then the only teams left with anything to play will be those involved in league promotion/relegation play-offs.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2022, 05:18:46 PM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

Mayo's not starting till first weekend in September.
Is it true that ye're adult Club Leagues only started in June???

Yes.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 24, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
But the way people actually get into the GAA is mostly down to the local club putting in the work, not from seeing it on TV. Lads at local level going to encourage kids at school and that brings in the parents too.

The Players should be listened to as they are the ones flat out training. Now they have game after game like most sports and they seem to enjoy it.
There's definitely a huge difference between urban and rural clubs. Rural clubs, the gaa tends to be the community and the split season will be work well for them, there'll be no drop off in interest, local kids will be engaged with what's happening, championship runs etc.

In my experience that's not the case with urban clubs. For 90% of kids and parents there, the gaa (barring their own team or matches) is now finished until next April/may. There's little to no awareness of what's going on at senior club level and for kids it's back to throwing themselves into the premier league, the rugby or whatever everyone is talking about and they can see on TV or YouTube.
Given most of the population are now urban, we're just making ourselves niche.
There is no easy fix, but this condensed championship is not a good solution in terms of games promotion, and it remains if it'll really improve the lot of the club player.

Ask any club player. If you actually know any. It has improved immensely.
I’m from an urban club. Would love to know where your 90% figure comes from. I guess you made it up? Not my experience.
Of course I made the 90% figure up, it's hardly something I'm going to gather evidence on. But here's some hard facts. My adopted urban club has approx 1700 paying members, of that less than 100 are adult non-playing members and at our AGM, we typically have less than 50 attendees. My understanding is that numbers like that would not be unusual for Dublin mid size clubs.
I'll leave it there, sure I'll pick it back up when I next sign in next April.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 05:39:47 PM
But the way people actually get into the GAA is mostly down to the local club putting in the work, not from seeing it on TV. Lads at local level going to encourage kids at school and that brings in the parents too.

The Players should be listened to as they are the ones flat out training. Now they have game after game like most sports and they seem to enjoy it.
There's definitely a huge difference between urban and rural clubs. Rural clubs, the gaa tends to be the community and the split season will be work well for them, there'll be no drop off in interest, local kids will be engaged with what's happening, championship runs etc.

In my experience that's not the case with urban clubs. For 90% of kids and parents there, the gaa (barring their own team or matches) is now finished until next April/may. There's little to no awareness of what's going on at senior club level and for kids it's back to throwing themselves into the premier league, the rugby or whatever everyone is talking about and they can see on TV or YouTube.
Given most of the population are now urban, we're just making ourselves niche.
There is no easy fix, but this condensed championship is not a good solution in terms of games promotion, and it remains if it'll really improve the lot of the club player.

Ask any club player. If you actually know any. It has improved immensely.
I’m from an urban club. Would love to know where your 90% figure comes from. I guess you made it up? Not my experience.
Of course I made the 90% figure up, it's hardly something I'm going to gather evidence on. But here's some hard facts. My adopted urban club has approx 1700 paying members, of that less than 100 are adult non-playing members and at our AGM, we typically have less than 50 attendees. My understanding is that numbers like that would not be unusual for Dublin mid size clubs.
I'll leave it there, sure I'll pick it back up when I next sign in next April.

So as well as not bothering with club football, you wouldnt bother with National League either?

At this point I don’t actually believe you’re interested in Gaelic Games. Maybe it’s days out at Croke you enjoy. The actual entertainment on show doesn’t matter.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: onefineday on July 24, 2022, 05:59:40 PM


Ask any club player. If you actually know any. It has improved immensely.
I’m from an urban club. Would love to know where your 90% figure comes from. I guess you made it up? Not my experience.
Of course I made the 90% figure up, it's hardly something I'm going to gather evidence on. But here's some hard facts. My adopted urban club has approx 1700 paying members, of that less than 100 are adult non-playing members and at our AGM, we typically have less than 50 attendees. My understanding is that numbers like that would not be unusual for Dublin mid size clubs.
I'll leave it there, sure I'll pick it back up when I next sign in next April.
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So as well as not bothering with club football, you wouldnt bother with National League either?

At this point I don’t actually believe you’re interested in Gaelic Games. Maybe it’s days out at Croke you enjoy. The actual entertainment on show doesn’t matter.
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Have you seen the weather in Ireland in February??  Who in their right mind would try and play or even worse, spectate at an event there??
I'll be honest Wobbler, I love the NFL, can't wait for Week 1 in September - might finally be the year that the Bills deliver for the hard pressed people of Buffalo - the Mayo of the NFL if you will!!

I suppose the only thing mitigating against my being a total event junkie is that I sometimes notice that the atmosphere has died a death, that's when I noticed these long passages of 'keep ball' or lateral play as they've become known - they bore me a bit, is there nothing we can do to get rid of them?  There was quite a bit of it today too.  Particularly noteworthy was a pass by Paudie Clifford from inside the Galway 14 back out to midfield, not that it was a terrible ball, but just that it highlights a particular problem brought about by teams employing all 15 players inside their own 45.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on July 25, 2022, 09:08:14 AM
But the way people actually get into the GAA is mostly down to the local club putting in the work, not from seeing it on TV. Lads at local level going to encourage kids at school and that brings in the parents too.

The Players should be listened to as they are the ones flat out training. Now they have game after game like most sports and they seem to enjoy it.
There's definitely a huge difference between urban and rural clubs. Rural clubs, the gaa tends to be the community and the split season will be work well for them, there'll be no drop off in interest, local kids will be engaged with what's happening, championship runs etc.

In my experience that's not the case with urban clubs. For 90% of kids and parents there, the gaa (barring their own team or matches) is now finished until next April/may. There's little to no awareness of what's going on at senior club level and for kids it's back to throwing themselves into the premier league, the rugby or whatever everyone is talking about and they can see on TV or YouTube.
Given most of the population are now urban, we're just making ourselves niche.
There is no easy fix, but this condensed championship is not a good solution in terms of games promotion, and it remains if it'll really improve the lot of the club player.

Ask any club player. If you actually know any. It has improved immensely.
I’m from an urban club. Would love to know where your 90% figure comes from. I guess you made it up? Not my experience.
Of course I made the 90% figure up, it's hardly something I'm going to gather evidence on. But here's some hard facts. My adopted urban club has approx 1700 paying members, of that less than 100 are adult non-playing members and at our AGM, we typically have less than 50 attendees. My understanding is that numbers like that would not be unusual for Dublin mid size clubs.
I'll leave it there, sure I'll pick it back up when I next sign in next April.

I don't see how altering the season helps this?

From your 'hard facts' 1600 out of 1700 of your paying members are players

They are the ones who will gain the most from these structures

But you could play an All Ireland Final twice a month and it wouldn't make people come to the AGM
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 25, 2022, 09:15:20 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

Mayo's not starting till first weekend in September.
Is it true that ye're adult Club Leagues only started in June???

Yes.

So most of ye're Club only players have a 4 month playing season?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2022, 09:27:41 AM
Armagh's County team's Championship ended 25th June.
Their Club Championships not starting till end of August!!!

Mayo's not starting till first weekend in September.
Is it true that ye're adult Club Leagues only started in June???

Yes.

So most of ye're Club only players have a 4 month playing season?

Other divisional competitions and the Michael Walsh (third tier competition) were played in the Spring. August will be the league playoffs.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: SCFC on July 26, 2022, 03:19:15 PM
I think it's been a great success. Looking forward to a decent club championship played in hopefully mostly good weather.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on July 26, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
When do Rte/tg4 start showing club championship games
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on July 26, 2022, 04:49:10 PM
i like seeing game under the lights on a cold  feburary saturday night  gaa is not just a summer sport.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Blowitupref on July 26, 2022, 05:04:50 PM
   
FORMER MAYO FOOTBALLER Alan Dillon has called on the GAA to push the inter-county season back out to August or September.


“I’m all in favour of GAA clubs and club players having certainty with dates and when they are playing. This is absolutely needed as club players, coaches, volunteers and supporters are the lifeblood of the GAA. Without them, inter-county teams will not achieve any success,” he said. 

“However, it is too early in the year for the senior football and hurling championships to be finished.”

This year’s deciders took place on 17 July (hurling) and 24 July (football). As a result, there has been some criticism of the marquee games in the GAA calendar being brought forward to such early dates.

“We will not have any more action until next January at the earliest – more than five months away. In the meantime, other sports get the attention and coverage the GAA would normally have achieved throughout August and September,” deputy Dillon said.

“Consequently, GAA overall loses out. With all due respect to the club championships, and I value my own as much as anyone else, they will not gain the same attention as the intercounty championships.

“The race for Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy this year were brilliant, along with the inaugural Tailteann Cup. They kept us enthralled and excited for the last few months. So why lock away your best shows for almost half a year? It simply doesn’t make sense.

“Anyone involved in marketing will say the same. Come the start of 2023, the demand for intercounty games will be immense. It is too long a break from now until then. I would urge GAA officials, club and county board delegates to rethink the issue for future years.

“I know this year’s Congress, held in Mayo in February, agreed a new senior football competition starting next year.

“Great, let’s trial that and see how it goes but we have to re-think the finishing dates of our showpiece competitions. Finishing in July is far too early.”
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: yellowcard on July 26, 2022, 05:17:27 PM
I read that interview as GAA media seeking out ex player who supports their own stance. Expect more of this sort of stuff in the weeks ahead as it gives the media something to fill column inches.

Canvas the grass roots GAA membership involved at club level on this however and I would guess that the feeling is the opposite. The armchair sports viewer may have a different opinion.

The county part of the season has been a success imo but wait until the full season runs its course before judging it fully.   
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: J70 on July 26, 2022, 05:25:43 PM
“We will not have any more action until next January at the earliest – more than five months away. In the meantime, other sports get the attention and coverage the GAA would normally have achieved throughout August and September,” deputy Dillon said.

So we go back to f**king the club players over so the senior intercounty game gets another 6 weeks of coverage?

I don't get this.

I'm tuning into the Premier League in a couple of weeks whether or not the senior championship is still on. They're not mutually exclusive interests, with only one or the other able to attract my attention.

The NFL is the biggest sport in the US and has a less than five month season, start to finish, and several other very high profile US sports to compete against.

The GAA has made the move to a compressed season. Stick with it. Its better for everyone.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: marty34 on July 26, 2022, 05:26:01 PM
I read that interview as GAA media seeking out ex player who supports their own stance. Expect more of this sort of stuff in the weeks ahead as it gives the media something to fill column inches.

Canvas the grass roots GAA membership involved at club level on this however and I would guess that the feeling is the opposite. The armchair sports viewer may have a different opinion.

The county part of the season has been a success imo but wait until the full season runs its course before judging it fully.

I agree Yellowcard.

2% tail swinging 98% of the dog.

Wait to December to comment.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on July 26, 2022, 05:36:18 PM
   
FORMER MAYO FOOTBALLER Alan Dillon has called on the GAA to push the inter-county season back out to August or September.


“I’m all in favour of GAA clubs and club players having certainty with dates and when they are playing. This is absolutely needed as club players, coaches, volunteers and supporters are the lifeblood of the GAA. Without them, inter-county teams will not achieve any success,” he said. 

“However, it is too early in the year for the senior football and hurling championships to be finished.”

This year’s deciders took place on 17 July (hurling) and 24 July (football). As a result, there has been some criticism of the marquee games in the GAA calendar being brought forward to such early dates.

“We will not have any more action until next January at the earliest – more than five months away. In the meantime, other sports get the attention and coverage the GAA would normally have achieved throughout August and September,” deputy Dillon said.

“Consequently, GAA overall loses out. With all due respect to the club championships, and I value my own as much as anyone else, they will not gain the same attention as the intercounty championships.

“The race for Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy this year were brilliant, along with the inaugural Tailteann Cup. They kept us enthralled and excited for the last few months. So why lock away your best shows for almost half a year? It simply doesn’t make sense.

“Anyone involved in marketing will say the same. Come the start of 2023, the demand for intercounty games will be immense. It is too long a break from now until then. I would urge GAA officials, club and county board delegates to rethink the issue for future years.

“I know this year’s Congress, held in Mayo in February, agreed a new senior football competition starting next year.

“Great, let’s trial that and see how it goes but we have to re-think the finishing dates of our showpiece competitions. Finishing in July is far too early.”

He says the bit in bold...

Then proceeds to shite all over it with a few if's, buts and maybes, backed up by nothing but his own opinion

Now he's as entitled to his opinion as the next man

But we are also entitled to think it's rubbish
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael80 on July 26, 2022, 05:47:31 PM
I read that interview as GAA media seeking out ex player who supports their own stance. Expect more of this sort of stuff in the weeks ahead as it gives the media something to fill column inches.

Canvas the grass roots GAA membership involved at club level on this however and I would guess that the feeling is the opposite. The armchair sports viewer may have a different opinion.

The county part of the season has been a success imo but wait until the full season runs its course before judging it fully.

I agree, but there is still room to slightly tweak the inter county season schedule by three weeks or start the national leagues earlier, so they have time for the perfect system.

Allow two weeks between hurling and football finals, and one replay from the AL QF stage. When it's all reviewed I think this is what'll happen.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 26, 2022, 05:49:41 PM
Inter county players are back with their clubs, finishing off league games and preparing for championship with their life long friends and family, what’s not to like about that?

Season done county boards aren’t spending fortunes on SC mind gurus dietitian's travel expenses coach hire and every other expense under the sun, another good reason

Club games getting National attention, non county players getting to play on tv, being talked about and maybe putting themselves in the shop window for their county selection, can complain about that

Club attendances possibly increasing..

Lads able to get a week’s holiday away to shake off the season rather than waiting till October

There are many more benefits, the only one that seems to be bad is for the broadcasters
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Gael80 on July 26, 2022, 05:55:31 PM
Inter county players are back with their clubs, finishing off league games and preparing for championship with their life long friends and family, what’s not to like about that?

Season done county boards aren’t spending fortunes on SC mind gurus dietitian's travel expenses coach hire and every other expense under the sun, another good reason

Club games getting National attention, non county players getting to play on tv, being talked about and maybe putting themselves in the shop window for their county selection, can complain about that

Club attendances possibly increasing..

Lads able to get a week’s holiday away to shake off the season rather than waiting till October

There are many more benefits, the only one that seems to be bad is for the broadcasters

Some good points, but the reality is a very large percentage of inter county players are not back with their clubs, preparing for club championships or finishing off league programmes.

Great opportunity for them, and US GAA has never had it so good, two benefits of the system, but on the back of how many went to the US, there is some room for the GAA to slightly tweak the intercounty schedule.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on July 26, 2022, 06:11:05 PM
Inter county players are back with their clubs, finishing off league games and preparing for championship with their life long friends and family, what’s not to like about that?

Season done county boards aren’t spending fortunes on SC mind gurus dietitian's travel expenses coach hire and every other expense under the sun, another good reason

Club games getting National attention, non county players getting to play on tv, being talked about and maybe putting themselves in the shop window for their county selection, can complain about that

Club attendances possibly increasing..

Lads able to get a week’s holiday away to shake off the season rather than waiting till October

There are many more benefits, the only one that seems to be bad is for the broadcasters

Some good points, but the reality is a very large percentage of inter county players are not back with their clubs, preparing for club championships or finishing off league programmes.

Great opportunity for them, and US GAA has never had it so good, two benefits of the system, but on the back of how many went to the US, there is some room for the GAA to slightly tweak the intercounty schedule.

Define "very large percentage"?

There are roughly 60 intercounty players from my county. I'm not aware of any of them having gone to the US. They all seemed to be playing club championship the past two weekend.

Alan Dillon is a politician optimising for reelection. That's all politicians do. He has zero credibility when it comes to GAA matters for as long as he is a politican.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 26, 2022, 06:28:09 PM
Why doesn't Alan Dillon chat Lee Keegan or any of the lads he used to play with.
Like lads will never be happy but armchair fans should never dictate how the thing is run.

I would like two weeks between the Finals mind.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 26, 2022, 06:38:39 PM
Milltown's point about possible increase in attendances at  Club games is a good one.
Back in the day you had 2 big TV games in August/September and then Club Championship games a 6 or so on a Sunday evening.
People were "Gahd" out or had exhausted spouses patience and wouldn't be going off to a game.
Dairy farmers would be busy in the evening too.
Now we'll have games hopefully on Sunday afternoons and no TV games in the way so should see better turn outs.
As few  Counties are starting Championships before 1st weekend in  August there's a bit of scope for extending County scene to weekend 30 of the year in 23.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 27, 2022, 10:50:08 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/what-a-waste-after-the-feast-comes-famine-for-inter-county-followers-41870643.html

Breheny will have to go back to making out lists ::)

Meanwhile a real GAA man speaks

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40927328.html
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: twohands!!! on July 27, 2022, 07:17:20 PM
Inter county players are back with their clubs, finishing off league games and preparing for championship with their life long friends and family, what’s not to like about that?

Season done county boards aren’t spending fortunes on SC mind gurus dietitian's travel expenses coach hire and every other expense under the sun, another good reason

Club games getting National attention, non county players getting to play on tv, being talked about and maybe putting themselves in the shop window for their county selection, can complain about that

Club attendances possibly increasing..

Lads able to get a week’s holiday away to shake off the season rather than waiting till October

There are many more benefits, the only one that seems to be bad is for the broadcasters

Some good points, but the reality is a very large percentage of inter county players are not back with their clubs, preparing for club championships or finishing off league programmes.

Great opportunity for them, and US GAA has never had it so good, two benefits of the system, but on the back of how many went to the US, there is some room for the GAA to slightly tweak the intercounty schedule.

I was talking to someone from Kerry in Croke Park on Sunday and they were saying that the county leagues in Kerry are already finished - the final between Crokes and Dingle was on the previous Friday night. Club championship is starting in Kerry this weekend. If the All-Ireland winners can do that, other counties have no excuse at all.

Also they were saying that the change in the calendar gives the winning All-Ireland teams a lot longer to enjoy their win.

One thing with the previous September timetable is that it didn't give a lot of time for teams to enjoy the win - everything I've heard from players who won an All-Ireland was that the celebrations always felt rushed and fairly hectic because the league was only a few months away and intercounty training almost started up straight away, never mind club action. You had teams arriving off the plane from team holidays going straight back into action in pre-season games. The new split season should allow for a more relaxed celebration for the winners.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 12:15:38 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/what-a-waste-after-the-feast-comes-famine-for-inter-county-followers-41870643.html

Breheny will have to go back to making out lists ::)

Meanwhile a real GAA man speaks

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40927328.html

Its a feast of championship this weekend with Junior on Friday, Intermediate Sat and on Sunday Senior championship ... any amount of games to go to
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 28, 2022, 04:49:07 PM
In Kildare, my club at least, the county boys were back on Tuesday after the Mayo game. They helped with promotion and already have a few weeks of training with the lads for championship.

In the past the usual craic was they would not darken the door of the club, then get one training session in before a prelim championship game in April. Maybe another league match and off they went till late August when they would drop in again.

How can anyone say it's not better. Lads (a tiny %) going to the USA is doomsday stuff seemingly. Lads not training all year round is a bad thing. Massive costs at inter-county being stopped...in previous years all the blowhards giving out now were up in arms over these things.

The lads in national media giving out don't want to do any work and just shite on. They might need some research for covering club games so they don't fancy it.

Like there are too many concerned with other sports and one of the reasons so many lads drop from club is being flogged. We are addressing that.



Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on July 28, 2022, 05:08:05 PM
In Kildare, my club at least, the county boys were back on Tuesday after the Mayo game. They helped with promotion and already have a few weeks of training with the lads for championship.

In the past the usual craic was they would not darken the door of the club, then get one training session in before a prelim championship game in April. Maybe another league match and off they went till late August when they would drop in again.

How can anyone say it's not better. Lads (a tiny %) going to the USA is doomsday stuff seemingly. Lads not training all year round is a bad thing. Massive costs at inter-county being stopped...in previous years all the blowhards giving out now were up in arms over these things.

The lads in national media giving out don't want to do any work and just shite on. They might need some research for covering club games so they don't fancy it.

Like there are too many concerned with other sports and one of the reasons so many lads drop from club is being flogged. We are addressing that.

But but but Marketing. Or something.

You’re 100% spot on. Playing 2 rounds of club championship in April and then pausing for 3 or 4 months was utterly disrespectful to players. Hopefully we will never see it again.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on July 28, 2022, 05:18:24 PM
In Kildare, my club at least, the county boys were back on Tuesday after the Mayo game. They helped with promotion and already have a few weeks of training with the lads for championship.

In the past the usual craic was they would not darken the door of the club, then get one training session in before a prelim championship game in April. Maybe another league match and off they went till late August when they would drop in again.

How can anyone say it's not better. Lads (a tiny %) going to the USA is doomsday stuff seemingly. Lads not training all year round is a bad thing. Massive costs at inter-county being stopped...in previous years all the blowhards giving out now were up in arms over these things.

The lads in national media giving out don't want to do any work and just shite on. They might need some research for covering club games so they don't fancy it.

Like there are too many concerned with other sports and one of the reasons so many lads drop from club is being flogged. We are addressing that.

But but but Marketing. Or something.

You’re 100% spot on. Playing 2 rounds of club championship in April and then pausing for 3 or 4 months was utterly disrespectful to players. Hopefully we will never see it again.

+1

Also utterly unsurprising that the balloon mentioning marketing and money as the reason to shaft the masses of club players was a FG TD
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on July 29, 2022, 11:24:32 AM
i like seeing game under the lights on a cold  feburary saturday night  gaa is not just a summer sport.

The national league it is then.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: twohands!!! on July 29, 2022, 03:39:21 PM
The group stages in the Sam Maguire and the Tailteann Cup next year, will mean that a lot more counties will be playing a bit longer compared to this year and will reduce the scope for intercounty players to head to the US.

Also at the other end of the calendar the plan is that the provincials club games will be moved earlier in the calendar forcing county boards to start county championships earlier if they are going to be finished in time for the provincials.

Given all this I would expect the number of intercounty players going to the US to drop a fair bit compared to this year.

Also I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a lot of the clubs in the US are aware of this and this summer was a bit of a last blowout in terms of recruiting intercounty players.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 29, 2022, 04:35:53 PM
The group stages in the Sam Maguire and the Tailteann Cup next year, will mean that a lot more counties will be playing a bit longer compared to this year and will reduce the scope for intercounty players to head to the US.

Also at the other end of the calendar the plan is that the provincials club games will be moved earlier in the calendar forcing county boards to start county championships earlier if they are going to be finished in time for the provincials.

Given all this I would expect the number of intercounty players going to the US to drop a fair bit compared to this year.

Also I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a lot of the clubs in the US are aware of this and this summer was a bit of a last blowout in terms of recruiting intercounty players.

One way to do that is to schedule the All-Ireland club semi finals and finals for December instead of January
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 05:06:47 PM
And have all Co Finals decided by 1st weekend October.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: twohands!!! on July 29, 2022, 07:59:30 PM
The group stages in the Sam Maguire and the Tailteann Cup next year, will mean that a lot more counties will be playing a bit longer compared to this year and will reduce the scope for intercounty players to head to the US.

Also at the other end of the calendar the plan is that the provincials club games will be moved earlier in the calendar forcing county boards to start county championships earlier if they are going to be finished in time for the provincials.

Given all this I would expect the number of intercounty players going to the US to drop a fair bit compared to this year.

Also I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a lot of the clubs in the US are aware of this and this summer was a bit of a last blowout in terms of recruiting intercounty players.

One way to do that is to schedule the All-Ireland club semi finals and finals for December instead of January

That's the plan.

It's in the Calendar Task Force report.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on July 29, 2022, 09:00:23 PM
And have all Co Finals decided by 1st weekend October.
In time for the Horse Fair
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on July 30, 2022, 04:23:34 AM
could they put the club finals on a st stephens day and make it an annual thing like the premier league does games on st stephens day or the saturday before christmas
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:53:41 PM
Presumably the shorter championship was designed to reduce the strain on players and keep county costs down but ending it in July feels like choc ices have been banned for the next 2 months
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: marty34 on July 30, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
Need to give it a couple of years before a judgement can be made.

Club championship hasn't even started in a lot of counties yet.

Let the players, county and club, be the judge of how good/bad/indifferent it is...in a few years.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on July 30, 2022, 01:37:26 PM
It was to ensure that adult (and indeed Minor) club championships would have a slot of their own with no County games taking place at the same time.
Also to enable Counties which reached AI Finals to have the same time for Club Championships as the rest.
And enable most Club Championship games to be on good pitches.
Better all round for players, managers, County Boards etc.
Not so good maybe for the GAA journalists.
The armchair fan can still watch the big games in June and July. The casual County follower can still go to his 2 or 3 games a year.
And Seaf can still have a choc ice while watching salthill v Tuam Stars or whoever in August.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on July 30, 2022, 04:05:01 PM
It was to ensure that adult (and indeed Minor) club championships would have a slot of their own with no County games taking place at the same time.
Also to enable Counties which reached AI Finals to have the same time for Club Championships as the rest.
And enable most Club Championship games to be on good pitches.
Better all round for players, managers, County Boards etc.
Not so good maybe for the GAA journalists.
The armchair fan can still watch the big games in June and July. The casual County follower can still go to his 2 or 3 games a year.
And Seaf can still have a choc ice while watching salthill v Tuam Stars or whoever in August.

Although he'll have to buy a Magnum in Stillorgan if he wants to see Shane Walsh's Club skills.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 07:32:24 PM
In the month of August, the ratio of Liverpool to all Ireland posts trends to infinity
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on July 31, 2022, 05:45:25 PM
when are rte going to show club matches
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 06:37:15 PM
the first Sunday has been difficult with the withdrawal symptoms, caithfidh me a ra.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2022, 09:51:25 PM
the first Sunday has been difficult with the withdrawal symptoms, caithfidh me a ra.

Amazing games on today and another set of games next week at headquarters
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: mrdeeds on July 31, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
the first Sunday has been difficult with the withdrawal symptoms, caithfidh me a ra.
At the Cavan league final today. 6 18 to 4 23. There's lots of great football out there and will be for next few months.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Fionntamhnach on August 01, 2022, 12:01:19 AM
The question asked in the subject line in this thread can only be even given a provisional judgement by the middle of autumn next year, and really no firm answer until at least the end of 2024.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 01, 2022, 08:13:13 AM
If the aim of the all Ireland finals and big games in general is to inspire kids (who else are they trying to attract?) to take up GAA, then the earlier dates make much more sense as there is lots of activity in clubs and most juvenile competitions are in full flow. Any kid wanting to start can still get a couple of months with their local club rather than September when a lot of clubs are winding down their season.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 04:04:40 PM
This year was not indicative because of soccer corruption. The Qatar world Cup didn't happen in June as it normally would, clashing with provincial finals, competing for sports eyes.
We won't know until the next Euros.
The GAA already has 2 non competitive provincial championships in the football. One of these situations was created by the GAA itself.
Time will tell whether the experiment works or not. If we do get a reinstatement of September finals, the championships won't start in May as before. Short championships are probably here to stay.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Blowitupref on August 01, 2022, 04:55:14 PM
This year was not indicative because of soccer corruption. The Qatar world Cup didn't happen in June as it normally would, clashing with provincial finals, competing for sports eyes.
We won't know until the next Euros.
The GAA already has 2 non competitive provincial championships in the football. One of these situations was created by the GAA itself.
Time will tell whether the experiment works or not. If we do get a reinstatement of September finals, the championships won't start in May as before. Short championships are probably here to stay.

2023 will see 19 rounds NFL and championship games played over 26 weeks.

Potential 2023 schedule.

Jan 29th to March 26th for the NFL
 
Provincial championships played off in 5 weeks e.g April 9th to May 7th

Then onto the group format of the championship e.g May 20th to June 11th

Preliminary quarters, quarter finals, semi finals and AI final from June 18th to July 23rd.


Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 05:43:46 PM
Kieran Cunningham of the Daily Star on the GAA experiment and journalism
@ 14:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfyLRQFz0Bk
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 02, 2022, 04:31:19 PM
But one of his main points is based on the fact that the women want to talk and promote the games.

The split season and an extra week here and there is not going to be mean you have any more access to the lads. Before all this there were pressers at 6am two weeks before big games with the manager, the captain and one injured player...

He can't honestly believe that his plan of lads playing for club and county all year is realistic?? It's idealistic yes, but he is around the block long enough to know it won't happen.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 06:12:57 PM
He makes a good point about there being no standardisation of county championships across the country. Some counties have made good progress running off their matches while others will only start in September.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2022, 07:17:45 PM
Connacht Club Championships begin around 13th November.
No incentive there to have your Co Final in September!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on August 02, 2022, 08:12:22 PM
Connacht Club Championships begin around 13th November.
No incentive there to have your Co Final in September!

I’d agree. Holding out for championship so it runs end of August - middle of October is the smart play, and not just to marry the provincial calendar. Adult leagues should be wrapped up in full. Gets everyone back from holidays. Allows juvenile football/hurling to be wrapped up and not taking pitches / spectators / volunteers away. Good excuse to use the floodlit county grounds with stands over and again.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:23:20 PM
Connacht Club Championships begin around 13th November.
No incentive there to have your Co Final in September!
Then finish all Ireland later
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2022, 08:55:13 PM
Connacht Club Championships begin around 13th November.
No incentive there to have your Co Final in September!

I’d agree. Holding out for championship so it runs end of August - middle of October is the smart play, and not just to marry the provincial calendar. Adult leagues should be wrapped up in full. Gets everyone back from holidays. Allows juvenile football/hurling to be wrapped up and not taking pitches / spectators / volunteers away. Good excuse to use the floodlit county grounds with stands over and again.
IF... one had a County Ground with floodlights........
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2022, 09:11:23 AM

Listening to OTB now. Man Utd. It's a long way to the League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7xi4ZCAxTE
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 03, 2022, 12:09:07 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40932014.html
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 03, 2022, 02:54:12 PM
I see lads going off to the states and that is another nail in the coffin for the Split Season...

Club and county lads can have a summer away if they are students, but it's not like entire panels are away off from their club. The majority of players want this. Lads can plan their lives and if they want to head away for a summer so be it!
It's not a reason to argue against ripping up a new system for the sake of a tiny minority of the minority.

Like very few of the arguements against hold up and the lads who are arguing often don't stand over them enough, or change their tunes or add an aul PS and go off on another tangent.

Like we will never be happy, but the players are the key ones here and they want it - so be it!

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on August 03, 2022, 02:57:11 PM
I see lads going off to the states and that is another nail in the coffin for the Split Season...

Club and county lads can have a summer away if they are students, but it's not like entire panels are away off from their club. The majority of players want this. Lads can plan their lives and if they want to head away for a summer so be it!
It's not a reason to argue against ripping up a new system for the sake of a tiny minority of the minority.

Like very few of the arguements against hold up and the lads who are arguing often don't stand over them enough, or change their tunes or add an aul PS and go off on another tangent.

Like we will never be happy, but the players are the key ones here and they want it - so be it!

How so?

Lads have been heading stateside for as long as I can remember, this is not a new thing related to the split season.


Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2022, 03:56:23 PM
I see lads going off to the states and that is another nail in the coffin for the Split Season...

Club and county lads can have a summer away if they are students, but it's not like entire panels are away off from their club. The majority of players want this. Lads can plan their lives and if they want to head away for a summer so be it!
It's not a reason to argue against ripping up a new system for the sake of a tiny minority of the minority.

Like very few of the arguements against hold up and the lads who are arguing often don't stand over them enough, or change their tunes or add an aul PS and go off on another tangent.

Like we will never be happy, but the players are the key ones here and they want it - so be it!

How so?

Lads have been heading stateside for as long as I can remember, this is not a new thing related to the split season.

Boys have been flat out for years going to the States to play, the pandemic curtailed that but I was over in 93 (partying, not playing) and it was full of GAA lads from Ballycastle to Dingle !

Lazy journo's like an angle to suit their own agenda
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 03, 2022, 06:27:01 PM
Sorry I am not the one with the nails. But the lads agin tge split season are bringing it up.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on August 03, 2022, 06:39:00 PM
You have to love the ''Die Hard GAA Supporter'' who begrudges the Jamie Clarkes of this world wanting to have a life outside of the parrish and County, just because they are good footballers.

Feck, it's only football. And if nothing else it gives fringe players the chance to show their worth while the cream are away.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 04, 2022, 07:51:58 AM
Holiday
Paid
Adventure
Possibilities
Young

There are so much more benefits to these times playing away, they last till when they get a proper job or meet their wife, after that it’s shoulder to the wheel at the club.

But journalists feel that because we finished up 7 weeks earlier the sky will fall in? And better still some believe it
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 04, 2022, 01:25:23 PM
No comment

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30948.0
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on August 04, 2022, 10:50:57 PM
No comment

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30948.0

Lol

See below a small flavour of what the board was discussing in August 2019. 

Again... presented without comment  ::)

Wasps
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24900.0

Wedding presents
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13428.0

Peppa Pig accused of sexism
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29149.0

Shipyard
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29357.0
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 05, 2022, 03:56:13 PM
No comment

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30948.0

Lol

See below a small flavour of what the board was discussing in August 2019. 

Again... presented without comment  ::)

Wasps
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24900.0

Wedding presents
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13428.0

Peppa Pig accused of sexism
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29149.0

Shipyard
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29357.0
that's general discussion
In 2019 the all Irelands were in September
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Franko on August 05, 2022, 09:40:52 PM
No comment

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30948.0

Lol

See below a small flavour of what the board was discussing in August 2019. 

Again... presented without comment  ::)

Wasps
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24900.0

Wedding presents
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13428.0

Peppa Pig accused of sexism
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29149.0

Shipyard
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29357.0
that's general discussion
In 2019 the all Irelands were in September

So is the commonwealth games

The 2019 All Irelands being in September is EXACTLY my point
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 06, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
No comment

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30948.0

Lol

See below a small flavour of what the board was discussing in August 2019. 

Again... presented without comment  ::)

Wasps
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24900.0

Wedding presents
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13428.0

Peppa Pig accused of sexism
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29149.0

Shipyard
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29357.0
that's general discussion
In 2019 the all Irelands were in September

So is the commonwealth games

The 2019 All Irelands being in September is EXACTLY my point
Commonwealth games is sport, however.

The board is dead on the 6 of august.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on August 06, 2022, 04:48:55 PM
This Board has been dead or dying for a decade in relation to Gaelic Games.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2022, 11:43:38 PM
But you’re still here
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 07, 2022, 12:16:55 AM
Breheny back to his lists

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/celebrating-50-years-of-all-ireland-winners-introducing-our-new-gaa-series-41893424.html
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 07, 2022, 09:59:43 AM
The camogie final is on today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGlC54PzqS4
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 07, 2022, 10:03:35 AM
But you’re still here
It always slows down for autumn. Just not in august
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2022, 03:13:10 PM
But you’re still here
It always slows down for autumn. Just not in august

That’s the best idea for returning it back to September  ;D

I wonder which journalist will cite that as a reason
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 07, 2022, 04:24:12 PM
But you’re still here

 ;D
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2022, 09:12:41 AM
The Camog's finished off the season and Kilkenny eek out a win against Cork, Antrim score 5 goals against Armagh and Galway get over the line against Cork's second team..

Club championships are full pelt now.... Load to do and see
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 08, 2022, 05:43:14 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0808/1314554-gaas-split-season-continues-to-divide-opinion/


1 for 1 against....
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2022, 06:08:57 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/0808/1314554-gaas-split-season-continues-to-divide-opinion/


1 for 1 against....

Are they asking club players that aren’t inter county?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 08, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
They are going to review it after the all Ireland final next year.
Does it make sense for MR to be drinking cocktails poolside after the all Ireland Hurling Final?
See tomorrow's Irish News for full analysis.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 09, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2022, 10:04:27 AM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower

So any news from the club players? Or are you just going to quote county players? the 1%
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 09, 2022, 10:08:49 AM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower

So any news from the club players? Or are you just going to quote county players? the 1%
[/quote
I'm not sure the club players will get to decide. Club schedules are all over the place.
How much advertising do the club games bring in?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: LeoMc on August 09, 2022, 10:30:53 AM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower

So any news from the club players? Or are you just going to quote county players? the 1%
[/quote
I'm not sure the club players will get to decide. Club schedules are all over the place.
How much advertising do the club games bring in?
Should advertising revenue be driving it?
Should money be the measure?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
So who gets to decide? the 1% who generate the most money? Bit strange seafoid, I thought you were always against the 1% in life..

I suppose everyone has a price

Explain to me how club schedules are all over the place? We are in the throws of football and hurling championships here in Antrim at all levels, games being streamed across all, gates are up as games are spread over the weekend allowing for folk to watch whatever grade they like..

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 09, 2022, 12:00:27 PM
Decisions made at Congress as usual.
I suspect the 1% are (the football part will be in 2023) are happier to have games coming at them fast rather than 3 weeks training before each game.
No matter what calendar changes might be made there will have to be a block of time allocated for inter Co championships and another exclusive block for Club Championships.
As for Revenue....if even 10 more people attended each club match compared to the mixed bag years ....it will lead to at least €1m extra for County Boards
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on August 09, 2022, 01:11:55 PM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower

So any news from the club players? Or are you just going to quote county players? the 1%
[/quote
I'm not sure the club players will get to decide. Club schedules are all over the place.
How much advertising do the club games bring in?

Define "all over the place". Or alternatively , just give up commentating (relentlessly) on a topic you know little about.
I didn't realise it was an advertising agency we are all members of.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: ONeill on August 09, 2022, 10:46:52 PM
I think GAA journalists are struggling a bit for content at the minute.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 09, 2022, 11:34:48 PM
I think GAA journalists are struggling a bit for content at the minute.

Breheny is doing up lists.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: seafoid on August 10, 2022, 07:04:03 AM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower

So any news from the club players? Or are you just going to quote county players? the 1%
[/quote
I'm not sure the club players will get to decide. Club schedules are all over the place.
How much advertising do the club games bring in?

Define "all over the place". Or alternatively , just give up commentating (relentlessly) on a topic you know little about.
I didn't realise it was an advertising agency we are all members of.
There is no system. Some counties ran club championships in parallel with the all Ireland. Others did not.

The key feature of this change to the all Ireland was that it was rushed. I am not surprised that the club side is somewhat disorganised . Club was always run independently of county.

Where do you think the money to develop GAA stadiums comes from ? It's not all attendance money.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: marty34 on August 10, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on August 10, 2022, 08:53:52 AM
2 aspects from today's OTB

Ann Downey of KK camogie said players don't get enough time to prepare for the all Ireland Final and that she would prefer September finals
Because the season is shorter the GAA's ad income is going to be lower

So any news from the club players? Or are you just going to quote county players? the 1%
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I'm not sure the club players will get to decide. Club schedules are all over the place.
How much advertising do the club games bring in?

Define "all over the place". Or alternatively , just give up commentating (relentlessly) on a topic you know little about.
I didn't realise it was an advertising agency we are all members of.
There is no system. Some counties ran club championships in parallel with the all Ireland. Others did not.

The key feature of this change to the all Ireland was that it was rushed. I am not surprised that the club side is somewhat disorganised . Club was always run independently of county.

Where do you think the money to develop GAA stadiums comes from ? It's not all attendance money.

I really do not see how running independently means disorganised. They are run independently in an organised manner. What would be the advantage of having them start and finish at the exact same time? Have you thought about the implications of that? Counties are not all the same size. Some have duel considerations , others do not.

Well aware that the intercounty game brings in huge money. Spending it on stadiums has been one of the most disorganised use of it. I’ve been on the inside of an intercounty management setup. I know what wasting money looks like. The association should not be looking there for examples of best practice. Stripping it down is the best thing that can happen.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on August 10, 2022, 09:48:23 AM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 10, 2022, 10:35:14 AM
With all due respect to the Kerry Champions I don't think the Munster SHC is of much relevance to them.
Also smacks of the Kerry SHC being got out of the way of the football.
Loads of Counties have and had different systems but at least now they have an uninterrupted block of time to play their Championships.
As " National" media journalists have no County games why can't they do at least round ups of Club Championship affairs and maybe pick a County to concentrate on each week.
I know the Examiner is more Regional than National but they do great coverage of Cork and Kerry Championships and do a decent look at the other Munster Counties.
I'd suspect the Irish News would be similar for the 6 Cos.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: imtommygunn on August 10, 2022, 10:38:40 AM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

i think Carlow was on too?

Wexford tend to finish theirs up early.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on August 10, 2022, 11:01:38 AM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

What would help with this would be provincial councils conducting their draws earlier. Leinster council draws took place quite recently. If they happened in January , for example, then county boards could optimise better.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on August 10, 2022, 11:13:27 AM
are they basically disrespecting the club game  i have not listen to otb or any other pod in last few weeks have they been talking about clubs  or just inter county.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on August 10, 2022, 11:16:26 AM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

What would help with this would be provincial councils conducting their draws earlier. Leinster council draws took place quite recently. If they happened in January , for example, then county boards could optimise better.

Surely Croke Park, the provincial councils and the county boards all work off the same master fixtures list and set the dates accordingly..

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 11:57:18 AM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

Do they the Kerry champions play at intermediate level when they play Munster club hurling?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: johnnycool on August 10, 2022, 12:31:31 PM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

Do they the Kerry champions play at intermediate level when they play Munster club hurling?

They might do, but the Munster intermediate championship doesn't start till November, that's over two months away.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 12:37:55 PM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

Do they the Kerry champions play at intermediate level when they play Munster club hurling?

They might do, but the Munster intermediate championship doesn't start till November, that's over two months away.

Kerry and Kilkenny are probably similar in that they play off the 'weaker' codes early to free it up for larger participated codes. which you can see the logic in it, teams can reset and there will be plenty teams to get proper challenge games in as other counties will want to have competitive  games also leading up to their own championships.

Any manager of a county championship winning team will have that arranged
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: shark on August 10, 2022, 03:20:05 PM
Kerry hurling final was last Sunday.  It was live on TG4.

Because it was on mid-August and live, it got great exposure for Kerry hurling.

Better that than being on in tandem with 6 other county finals on the same day in mid-September and getting no media coverage.

Depends when they're expected to be playing in the Munster championship I'd have thought.

Not good to be winning a county final and then sitting doing nothing for 6 weeks or more for the next competitive game irrespective of the coverage you get.

What would help with this would be provincial councils conducting their draws earlier. Leinster council draws took place quite recently. If they happened in January , for example, then county boards could optimise better.

Surely Croke Park, the provincial councils and the county boards all work off the same master fixtures list and set the dates accordingly..

They do - but that's not my point. I'll give you an example.
Leinster county, say Louth, will run their draws in the spring time and work out what date they need to play their county senior football final. This will be based off when the 1st round of the Leinster senior club championship starts. They'll probably set it for 2 weeks before.
Many months later, the Leinster council runs their draw and it turns out that the Louth champions are straight in to the 1/4 final, which is two weeks after the first round. They have an additional 2 weeks to play with, but they didn't know this when making their fixtures and now can't avail of this time.
This extra time is even more valuable in counties with duel considerations.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
I think GAA journalists are struggling a bit for content at the minute.

Breheny is doing up lists.


The Top 10 list of top 10 lists would be a sign to resort back to August inter-county.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2022, 10:42:15 PM
Am f**king bored already, club fball lost its appeal to me a fair time bck. Long time to county Fball again, preferred the Sept finals.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on August 10, 2022, 11:14:06 PM
Ah, we are all bored even when the Intercounty game is in full swing.  Dragging it out makes no difference. Galway/Derry/Armagh were a breath of fresh air this year. But the intercounty game is on it's knees.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 11:24:01 PM
On its knees in what way?
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on August 10, 2022, 11:33:41 PM
On its knees in what way?

Attendances are down. Leinster and Munster Championships are a one horse race. Games are horribly boring (the final being the exception).
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 11:42:27 PM
Cut to 1978.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: From the Bunker on August 10, 2022, 11:53:00 PM
Cut to 1978.

Yeah, remember it well. Kerry were the saviours of Gaelic football as Spillane put it!
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2022, 12:03:03 AM
Gaelic football at county level is as healthy (and watchable) as it has been in 8-9 years. Nothing do with the calendar and all to do with McGuinness’s legacy waning and Dublin no longer being indestructible. The calendar does help in another way. This year we didn’t have to wade through three months of shadow boxing and non events for the big clashes to happen. I’m a fan.

Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: ONeill on August 11, 2022, 12:04:48 AM
Point is, county football has highs and lows. Super-champs or competitive provinces. High attendances and low figures.

Tyrone-Armagh in the McKenna next year might pull in 8000. 3 years ago 2000. 20 years ago 20'000. 40 years ago 1000.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on August 11, 2022, 07:57:57 AM
Gaelic football at county level is as healthy (and watchable) as it has been in 8-9 years. Nothing do with the calendar and all to do with McGuinness’s legacy waning and Dublin no longer being indestructible. The calendar does help in another way. This year we didn’t have to wade through three months of shadow boxing and non events for the big clashes to happen. I’m a fan.

i wonder if next seasons format will make a difference too that.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Louther on August 11, 2022, 11:43:35 AM
Gaelic football at county level is as healthy (and watchable) as it has been in 8-9 years. Nothing do with the calendar and all to do with McGuinness’s legacy waning and Dublin no longer being indestructible. The calendar does help in another way. This year we didn’t have to wade through three months of shadow boxing and non events for the big clashes to happen. I’m a fan.

Yes, the knockout element was very enjoyable this year once the provincials finished up. Next year we could see a return to the super 8 staleness that set in very quick in that format I felt. We may see more games but less on the line and less enjoyment.
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2022, 11:49:11 AM
Gaelic football at county level is as healthy (and watchable) as it has been in 8-9 years. Nothing do with the calendar and all to do with McGuinness’s legacy waning and Dublin no longer being indestructible. The calendar does help in another way. This year we didn’t have to wade through three months of shadow boxing and non events for the big clashes to happen. I’m a fan.

Yes, the knockout element was very enjoyable this year once the provincials finished up. Next year we could see a return to the super 8 staleness that set in very quick in that format I felt. We may see more games but less on the line and less enjoyment.

So I forgot what is it that the super 8's give us? More opportunities for the big teams to get to the finals? or was it just for generating more income? The latter will go down well during this next cost of living crisis

For me it just made the season last longer to get to the same point, less upsets too, Dublin haven't won in 2 years because that cycle has changed? no need to split them in two either  :D
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Eire90 on August 11, 2022, 03:51:02 PM
is next season basically the super 16s
Title: Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
Post by: Rossfan on August 13, 2022, 12:04:44 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40939019.html

Meanwhile Indo is going on about last 50 All Irelands and listing the top 50 footballers of 2022 ::)