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« Reply #40215 on: January 20, 2022, 03:44:03 PM »
U20 team was physically pushed about by the more mature Donegal team. 6 starters yesterday were U18 so a bit on the light side yet for senior hurling. Donegal the better team on a wet Dunsilly pitch.

Remember this is not U20 v U20

This.

A county the size of Antrim really shouldn't be playing lads with three years left this level. Where's all the U19's and U20's that have went through the various development squads?

FWIW Donegal are a handy team full of good big hurlers so playing Antrim U20's in the middle of January on a heavy pitch and beating them isn't a surprise and if anything Antrim U20's could be better off for it.

Thought they done well to score what they did , they will have learnt more than Donegal

Down just about beat Donegal last night in the final, the bit I watched Donegal were 7 points to the good with 10 minutes to go and were good value for it.

Marky Fisher must have pulled Down out of a hole there with a smashing point from the sideline and a goal from a 20 metre free, hope the wee bollox gets fitter than he was last year

Down done well with 14 men. donegal played as if it was champo final. As i ahve said before this is no reflection of Donegal underage(even though they now have more clubs than Derry) as they had 7 outside men starting

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O'Donaghue-I think Galway
Gartland-Derry City
Gilmore-Tyrone
McGee-down the country
Ryan-Limerick
Flynn-Tipp

Few more to come in an don bench

Guards?

few teachers, couple northern lads with dodge addresses to play for DL clubs.

I believe McGee is local.  Throw in Coulter (Armagh) and Cleary (Offaly) who are also usually involved.

Gilmore plays for them as they are the closest club to him, probably doesn't need a dodgy address.

Oh you do. We had Donegal lads playing with us as their closest club by far-(they wanted to play club with us and county with DL) and them hoors in Burt and Setanta wanted us pulled over ulster council coals-even though they both had boys from other counties playing with them. Gilmore has a DL address(might have moved now but wasnt at start), Gartland lives in Derry City(formerly Na Magha)-facts, concrete facts.

Donegal hurling board are twisted hoors

6 Strabane went to Setanta all at the exact same time, strange that.

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« Reply #40216 on: January 20, 2022, 07:38:03 PM »
U20 team was physically pushed about by the more mature Donegal team. 6 starters yesterday were U18 so a bit on the light side yet for senior hurling. Donegal the better team on a wet Dunsilly pitch.

Remember this is not U20 v U20

This.

A county the size of Antrim really shouldn't be playing lads with three years left this level. Where's all the U19's and U20's that have went through the various development squads?

FWIW Donegal are a handy team full of good big hurlers so playing Antrim U20's in the middle of January on a heavy pitch and beating them isn't a surprise and if anything Antrim U20's could be better off for it.

Thought they done well to score what they did , they will have learnt more than Donegal

Down just about beat Donegal last night in the final, the bit I watched Donegal were 7 points to the good with 10 minutes to go and were good value for it.

Marky Fisher must have pulled Down out of a hole there with a smashing point from the sideline and a goal from a 20 metre free, hope the wee bollox gets fitter than he was last year

Down done well with 14 men. donegal played as if it was champo final. As i ahve said before this is no reflection of Donegal underage(even though they now have more clubs than Derry) as they had 7 outside men starting

White-Wexford
O'Donaghue-I think Galway
Gartland-Derry City
Gilmore-Tyrone
McGee-down the country
Ryan-Limerick
Flynn-Tipp

Few more to come in an don bench

Guards?

few teachers, couple northern lads with dodge addresses to play for DL clubs.

I believe McGee is local.  Throw in Coulter (Armagh) and Cleary (Offaly) who are also usually involved.

Gilmore plays for them as they are the closest club to him, probably doesn't need a dodgy address.

Oh you do. We had Donegal lads playing with us as their closest club by far-(they wanted to play club with us and county with DL) and them hoors in Burt and Setanta wanted us pulled over ulster council coals-even though they both had boys from other counties playing with them. Gilmore has a DL address(might have moved now but wasnt at start), Gartland lives in Derry City(formerly Na Magha)-facts, concrete facts.

Donegal hurling board are twisted hoors

6 Strabane went to Setanta all at the exact same time, strange that.

I suppose with the like of Gilmore, there is no club within 20 miles of his house in Tyrone therefore Setanta would be the logical choice and unlikely to be any contention with that move. Him and other Strabane players went together as their senior team folded and still haven't came back.  Gilmore would have always had a Donegal address too as his family are from Raphoe.
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« Reply #40217 on: January 20, 2022, 08:38:35 PM »
U20 team was physically pushed about by the more mature Donegal team. 6 starters yesterday were U18 so a bit on the light side yet for senior hurling. Donegal the better team on a wet Dunsilly pitch.

Remember this is not U20 v U20

This.

A county the size of Antrim really shouldn't be playing lads with three years left this level. Where's all the U19's and U20's that have went through the various development squads?

FWIW Donegal are a handy team full of good big hurlers so playing Antrim U20's in the middle of January on a heavy pitch and beating them isn't a surprise and if anything Antrim U20's could be better off for it.

Thought they done well to score what they did , they will have learnt more than Donegal

Down just about beat Donegal last night in the final, the bit I watched Donegal were 7 points to the good with 10 minutes to go and were good value for it.

Marky Fisher must have pulled Down out of a hole there with a smashing point from the sideline and a goal from a 20 metre free, hope the wee bollox gets fitter than he was last year

Down done well with 14 men. donegal played as if it was champo final. As i ahve said before this is no reflection of Donegal underage(even though they now have more clubs than Derry) as they had 7 outside men starting

White-Wexford
O'Donaghue-I think Galway
Gartland-Derry City
Gilmore-Tyrone
McGee-down the country
Ryan-Limerick
Flynn-Tipp

Few more to come in an don bench

Guards?

few teachers, couple northern lads with dodge addresses to play for DL clubs.

I believe McGee is local.  Throw in Coulter (Armagh) and Cleary (Offaly) who are also usually involved.

Gilmore plays for them as they are the closest club to him, probably doesn't need a dodgy address.

Oh you do. We had Donegal lads playing with us as their closest club by far-(they wanted to play club with us and county with DL) and them hoors in Burt and Setanta wanted us pulled over ulster council coals-even though they both had boys from other counties playing with them. Gilmore has a DL address(might have moved now but wasnt at start), Gartland lives in Derry City(formerly Na Magha)-facts, concrete facts.

Donegal hurling board are twisted hoors

6 Strabane went to Setanta all at the exact same time, strange that.

I suppose with the like of Gilmore, there is no club within 20 miles of his house in Tyrone therefore Setanta would be the logical choice and unlikely to be any contention with that move. Him and other Strabane players went together as their senior team folded and still haven't came back.  Gilmore would have always had a Donegal address too as his family are from Raphoe.

Yeah I've no issue with that , it is the double standards .

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« Reply #40218 on: January 20, 2022, 11:32:28 PM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

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« Reply #40219 on: Today at 09:20:19 AM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

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« Reply #40220 on: Today at 09:48:48 AM »
Pretty simple when it comes to allowing external teams into the Antrim leagues.

The Co Down teams are single code clubs, so there is no issue with clashing or looking for fixtures to be moved. Being frank the 3 teams when they are all in the top league are amongst the best at fulfilling fixtures.

This would not be the case with the Derry sides, they are in the main dual clubs with a serious focus on the football side of things which adds another dimension or issue to the mix. This may be able to be worked around but it would be a challenge.

To be fair the top league if all teams would compete on their merit should be a seriously competitive league as it stands.

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« Reply #40221 on: Today at 09:53:33 AM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then youíd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- youíre not reading what Iím asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldnít have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??

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« Reply #40222 on: Today at 10:18:17 AM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then youíd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- youíre not reading what Iím asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldnít have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??

Outside teams have been coming into Antrim leagues at all levels for years. 3 down teams, Dungiven and the rest of the Derry teams, Armagh teams applied a lot of years back but nothing came off that. They have played numerous competitions at juvenile level, thanks to NA, against NE. The 3 down teams have all, at some stage, played in Div 2 against NE, Johnneycool would be able to fill you in on when this first took place. CMcC would have seen the input outside clubs have had on the Antrim teams, they have boosted the competition standards for years. Given he never leaves NE, he must be up there every day of the week, he has seen this at first hand. It doesn't take you to have played against outside teams to see their benefit.

As for looking stupid, is that the best you can do? I am really busy today and don't really have time for going backwards and forwards with you, you seem to have an opinion, fully entitled to it, you're welcome to it, I just don't agree with it.

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« Reply #40223 on: Today at 10:50:27 AM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then youíd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- youíre not reading what Iím asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldnít have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??

Outside teams have been coming into Antrim leagues at all levels for years. 3 down teams, Dungiven and the rest of the Derry teams, Armagh teams applied a lot of years back but nothing came off that. They have played numerous competitions at juvenile level, thanks to NA, against NE. The 3 down teams have all, at some stage, played in Div 2 against NE, Johnneycool would be able to fill you in on when this first took place. CMcC would have seen the input outside clubs have had on the Antrim teams, they have boosted the competition standards for years. Given he never leaves NE, he must be up there every day of the week, he has seen this at first hand. It doesn't take you to have played against outside teams to see their benefit.

As for looking stupid, is that the best you can do? I am really busy today and don't really have time for going backwards and forwards with you, you seem to have an opinion, fully entitled to it, you're welcome to it, I just don't agree with it.

Happy to leave it at that- youíve your opinion and I mine. My replies are in response to your suggestion that I was berating lower league players- or people that havenít won something- which isnít the case.
Armagh teams- Cuchullians & Sean Traceyís have been in our leagues for a while at their respective levels.
Think Naomh Eanna enjoyed one year- possibly 2 at Div 2 in recent years before pushing on into Div 1 and Iíd say any player within this team will understand the benefits of having the external teams.

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« Reply #40224 on: Today at 11:26:47 AM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then youíd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- youíre not reading what Iím asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldnít have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??

Outside teams have been coming into Antrim leagues at all levels for years. 3 down teams, Dungiven and the rest of the Derry teams, Armagh teams applied a lot of years back but nothing came off that. They have played numerous competitions at juvenile level, thanks to NA, against NE. The 3 down teams have all, at some stage, played in Div 2 against NE, Johnneycool would be able to fill you in on when this first took place. CMcC would have seen the input outside clubs have had on the Antrim teams, they have boosted the competition standards for years. Given he never leaves NE, he must be up there every day of the week, he has seen this at first hand. It doesn't take you to have played against outside teams to see their benefit.

As for looking stupid, is that the best you can do? I am really busy today and don't really have time for going backwards and forwards with you, you seem to have an opinion, fully entitled to it, you're welcome to it, I just don't agree with it.

Happy to leave it at that- youíve your opinion and I mine. My replies are in response to your suggestion that I was berating lower league players- or people that havenít won something- which isnít the case.
Armagh teams- Cuchullians & Sean Traceyís have been in our leagues for a while at their respective levels.
Think Naomh Eanna enjoyed one year- possibly 2 at Div 2 in recent years before pushing on into Div 1 and Iíd say any player within this team will understand the benefits of having the external teams.

Over the years there have been Derry teams in the leagues, think Na Magha were there for a while.  Tyrone teams have also been in there, with Colmcille being in there for a few seasons and maybe Dungannon too.  Strabane also got in, but had to play all their games away.  Sean Treacys from Armagh were in about ten years ago, and they were also then in the South Antrim league a few years back.
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Re: ANTRIM HURLING
« Reply #40225 on: Today at 12:13:15 PM »
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! Thereís a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be ďkept in.Ē Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
Iíd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know heís chair and puts a fair amount of time into it Iím sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? Iíd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didnít ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point Iím making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, itíll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If heís willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them heíd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasnít, and shouldnít be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didnít allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then youíd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- youíre not reading what Iím asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldnít have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??

Outside teams have been coming into Antrim leagues at all levels for years. 3 down teams, Dungiven and the rest of the Derry teams, Armagh teams applied a lot of years back but nothing came off that. They have played numerous competitions at juvenile level, thanks to NA, against NE. The 3 down teams have all, at some stage, played in Div 2 against NE, Johnneycool would be able to fill you in on when this first took place. CMcC would have seen the input outside clubs have had on the Antrim teams, they have boosted the competition standards for years. Given he never leaves NE, he must be up there every day of the week, he has seen this at first hand. It doesn't take you to have played against outside teams to see their benefit.

As for looking stupid, is that the best you can do? I am really busy today and don't really have time for going backwards and forwards with you, you seem to have an opinion, fully entitled to it, you're welcome to it, I just don't agree with it.

Not sure what I'm being asked here but yes we've played in Div2 several times in our time in Antrim leagues, I played in Div2 once in my time but don't remember playing NE (St Enda's I presume).

FWIW NE have come on leaps and bounds and are rightly in Div1 IMO.

We're still Work In Progress at the minute and not as competitive in Div1 as we want to be hence we want our U17's exposure in Antrim as well and have done the last few years pre Covid as it's a better standard that playing the same teams week in, week out in Down.

I haven't been involved in the financial side of things for a while in the club but we used to pay league fees for the adult teams back in the day and I'm assuming we probably still do.