China Coronavirus

[five points]

Reports coming out that police have confirmed Cummings broke lockdown rules.

Should be fun watching BJ & Hancock defend this - or will they undermine the entire police force.

If he doesnt go now it will get even messier

Edit to say the police have said he 'might' have broken them - f**k me 

False reports.


Durham Constabulary press statement
28/05/2020
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On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.


Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father's premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to "stay at home".)


On 12 April 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father's property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on 25 May 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.


Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings' press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.


Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken.


In line with Durham Constabulary's general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person.


By way of further context, Durham Constabulary has followed Government guidance on management of alleged breaches of the regulations with the emphasis on the NPCC and College of Policing 4Es: Engage, Explain and Encourage before Enforcement.


Finally, commentary in the media has suggested that Mr Cummings was in Durham on 19 April 2020. Mr Cummings denies this and Durham Constabulary have seen insufficient evidence to support this allegation.


Therefore Durham Constabulary will take no further action in this matter and has informed Mr Cummings of this decision.

https://www.durham.police.uk/news-and-events/Pages/News%20Articles/Durham-Constabulary-press-statement--.aspx

[Captain Obvious]

In the UK In the last two days near 4,000 cases of the virus and almost 800 deaths from the virus (only confirmed numbers much higher than that) yet Boris thinks now is a good time to ease restrictions?

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Durham Constabulary press statement
28/05/2020
​

On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.


Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father's premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to "stay at home".)


On 12 April 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father's property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on 25 May 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.


Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings' press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.


Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken.


In line with Durham Constabulary's general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person.


By way of further context, Durham Constabulary has followed Government guidance on management of alleged breaches of the regulations with the emphasis on the NPCC and College of Policing 4Es: Engage, Explain and Encourage before Enforcement.


Finally, commentary in the media has suggested that Mr Cummings was in Durham on 19 April 2020. Mr Cummings denies this and Durham Constabulary have seen insufficient evidence to support this allegation.


Therefore Durham Constabulary will take no further action in this matter and has informed Mr Cummings of this decision.

https://www.durham.police.uk/news-and-events/Pages/News%20Articles/Durham-Constabulary-press-statement--.aspx
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What a spineless shower of cowards, police and the british govt. Lockdown is therefore officially over

[Milltown Row2]

In the UK In the last two days near 4,000 cases of the virus and almost 800 deaths from the virus (only confirmed numbers much higher than that) yet Boris thinks now is a good time to ease restrictions?

I think at 34,000 deaths in England alone it shouldn't have the title 'UK' in these reports

[Taylor]

Reports coming out that police have confirmed Cummings broke lockdown rules.

Should be fun watching BJ & Hancock defend this - or will they undermine the entire police force.

If he doesnt go now it will get even messier

Edit to say the police have said he 'might' have broken them - f**k me 

False reports.


Durham Constabulary press statement
28/05/2020
​

On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.


Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father's premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to "stay at home".)


On 12 April 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father's property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on 25 May 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.


Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings' press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.


Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken.


In line with Durham Constabulary's general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person.


By way of further context, Durham Constabulary has followed Government guidance on management of alleged breaches of the regulations with the emphasis on the NPCC and College of Policing 4Es: Engage, Explain and Encourage before Enforcement.


Finally, commentary in the media has suggested that Mr Cummings was in Durham on 19 April 2020. Mr Cummings denies this and Durham Constabulary have seen insufficient evidence to support this allegation.


Therefore Durham Constabulary will take no further action in this matter and has informed Mr Cummings of this decision.

https://www.durham.police.uk/news-and-events/Pages/News%20Articles/Durham-Constabulary-press-statement--.aspx

Hence the edit part of my post.........

[five points]

Hence the edit part of my post.........

Fair enough. Your last line is on the money alright.

[Taylor]

Hence the edit part of my post.........

Fair enough. Your last line is on the money alright.

They are making Trump look competent 

[johnnycool]

Hence the edit part of my post.........

Fair enough. Your last line is on the money alright.

They are making Trump look competent 

The "might" is used in its legal term as it's not for the police to decide if he's guilty or not, that's the courts.

For them to even use this term suggests that if they'd caught Cummings at the scene, they'd have asked him to return to his place of residence. If he'd resisted they may then have fined him, but as they point out there doesn't seem to have been a breach of social distancing.

[imtommygunn]

The semantics are very important when it comes to this

I was watching a bit on the BBC news this morning interviewing a care home manager where there have been a number of deaths (in England). It is absolutely shameful how these older people have been treated. They were left to die and given no chance whatsoever. What happened when someone tested positive the manager was asked? Nothing she said. There should be serious prosecutions for this. The hospitals weren't even in dire straits in a lot of cases and these people could have been helped and I'm sure while not everyone who tested positive would have lived some would have. They just wrote them off. It's absolutely horrendous.

[Smurfy123]

A disgrace Tommy. Carehomes should have been the first things to be sorted. A travesty
Now if this virus was to hit everyone here and nobody knew what was going on
We knew 4 weeks out and had time to prepare. It was the old and vulnerable that this virus attacked the most. Now the most sensible thing to do in this scenario would be to go straight to old people's homes. What a mess they have made. Heads should role after this they really should.

[imtommygunn]

It's not that it was incompetence or a lack of time to prepare. They were left for dead. (I don't know enough about what happened in the south to know if it was the same but in the Uk it certainly looks that way). Not only left for dead but proper PPE wasn't even available for the care workers et so they weren't even given decent protection in the first place.

[Taylor]

To the naked eye it would seem it was a type of 'herd metality'.......but not for everyone........only for the care homes.

Wonder where we first came across that phrase.

Bojo and his cohorts should hang his head in shame

[johnnycool]

A disgrace Tommy. Carehomes should have been the first things to be sorted. A travesty
Now if this virus was to hit everyone here and nobody knew what was going on
We knew 4 weeks out and had time to prepare. It was the old and vulnerable that this virus attacked the most. Now the most sensible thing to do in this scenario would be to go straight to old people's homes. What a mess they have made. Heads should role after this they really should.

Look at Boris' 5 targets? See Care home deaths mentioned in there, no?

To prevent the NHS being overrun as they saw it, they (and it seems to have also been the case in the Rep, let alone Scotland, Wales and here) emptied as many out of hospital wards into Care homes without checking whether these people had Covid 19 or not. The Care homes had no option but to take them as some that questioned this decision were threatened with having their budgets cut and also GP's were informed to only offer palliative care.
There were rumours of families seeing their parents medical notes with DNR orders on them that they knew nothing about, if that is true then people in high positions should do time but we all know that won't happen.

Absolute disgrace and hopefully the truth will come out over time.

The great cull has happened in front of our very eyes.

[GetOverTheBar]

Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency (NISRA) reveals that 53% of all covid 19 deaths in NI were care home residents.

[imtommygunn]

A disgrace Tommy. Carehomes should have been the first things to be sorted. A travesty
Now if this virus was to hit everyone here and nobody knew what was going on
We knew 4 weeks out and had time to prepare. It was the old and vulnerable that this virus attacked the most. Now the most sensible thing to do in this scenario would be to go straight to old people's homes. What a mess they have made. Heads should role after this they really should.

Look at Boris' 5 targets? See Care home deaths mentioned in there, no?

To prevent the NHS being overrun as they saw it, they (and it seems to have also been the case in the Rep, let alone Scotland, Wales and here) emptied as many out of hospital wards into Care homes without checking whether these people had Covid 19 or not. The Care homes had no option but to take them as some that questioned this decision were threatened with having their budgets cut and also GP's were informed to only offer palliative care.
There were rumours of families seeing their parents medical notes with DNR orders on them that they knew nothing about, if that is true then people in high positions should do time but we all know that won't happen.

Absolute disgrace and hopefully the truth will come out over time.

The great cull has happened in front of our very eyes.

That's what I would describe it as too. A cull of the older generation. Heads should roll and prosecutions should be made but none of it will happen