John Mitchel - a lover of slavery - time to remove his name from GAA clubs?

Started by sid waddell, June 09, 2020, 11:20:38 AM

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whitey

Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

J70

Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Case by case basis I guess, if that's where it ends up going.

Gmac

Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Case by case basis I guess, if that's where it ends up going.
who decides the outcome?

J70

Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Case by case basis I guess, if that's where it ends up going.
who decides the outcome?

I don't know. I've already explained my position at this point in time.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Jumping from pay for sex with young men, to paedo is a bit of a stretch. Plenty paid for sex with young women in those days no doubt. Still do I hear!

Another take on the black diary's

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/28/roger-casement-gay-irish-martyr-or-victim-of-a-british-forgery
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Gmac

Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Case by case basis I guess, if that's where it ends up going.
who decides the outcome?

I don't know. I've already explained my position at this point in time.
ask the members of the club it's their club

whitey

Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Case by case basis I guess, if that's where it ends up going.
who decides the outcome?

I don't know. I've already explained my position at this point in time.
ask the members of the club it's their club

But what if non club members are better informed and better educated  on the topic than the members?

Gmac

Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:48:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 09, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
Doesn't really matter when they were formed though. You can't change that. The issue is whether, society having evolved for the better in the meantime, such names and symbols are maintained.

But why stop with John Mitchell?

If John Mitchell is fair game, shouldn't every other team and stadium named after a "questionable" character be up for debate too? (I read crazy stuff about Roger Casement being a paedophule but don't know if it was ever proven)

Case by case basis I guess, if that's where it ends up going.
who decides the outcome?

I don't know. I've already explained my position at this point in time.
ask the members of the club it's their club

But what if non club members are better informed and better educated  on the topic than the members?
judging from the John mitchells guys I've met on my travels that's not likely 🙂

omaghjoe

Couldn't they just say they are named after Joni instead of John? ???

BennyCake


whitey


Ball Hopper


Gmac

Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 09, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 09, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2020, 09:36:10 PM
Couldn't they just say they are named after Joni instead of John? ???

Or Frank. Keep it local

Haha-or Phil from Eastenders

Or Charles from RTE back in the day...
surprised there's not a George Mitchell's somewhere

omaghjoe

Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 10:11:19 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 09, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 09, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2020, 09:36:10 PM
Couldn't they just say they are named after Joni instead of John? ???

Or Frank. Keep it local

Haha-or Phil from Eastenders

Or Charles from RTE back in the day...
surprised there's not a George Mitchell's somewhere

Careful now... allegations there too

Jeepers Creepers

Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2020, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 09, 2020, 10:11:19 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 09, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 09, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 09, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2020, 09:36:10 PM
Couldn't they just say they are named after Joni instead of John? ???

Or Frank. Keep it local

Haha-or Phil from Eastenders

Or Charles from RTE back in the day...
surprised there's not a George Mitchell's somewhere

Careful now... allegations there too

Think he's holed up in a bunker somewhere!