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Itchy and PHP,

Glad we're all on the same page regarding your heroine Clare Daly, no arguments from either of you there regarding her hypocrisy. She only gets upset when Israel kills Palestinians, not Bashar Al Assad.

Makes you wonder, does she really care about Palestinians? What sort of a person can be confronted with the images of the civilians killed by Assad and not be moved? What kind of person is that?

i wonder more about you. holier than thou attitude..

I think perhaps you should wonder more about Clare Daly. I'm not an MEP representing Ireland in Europe. Listen to what she says about the goings on in China for example.

you are very focused on Daly for some reason we know your thoughts on her, and you advised us to look at other sources...but cannot provide any!!!

there are a lot worst MEPs in Europe and from Ireland.

You steadfastly refuse to comment on her shortcomings. Is she a hypocrite or not?

OK I'll have a go.

Clare Daly is a hypocrite.

Now that we've put that that one put to bed...can you please tell us who should we be listening to in relation to this topic?

[People are always going to struggle with childcare costs.]

Inflation is worse in the sterling counties. Sterling is losing value consistently because the UK is living beyond its means and has to borrow money just to pay the bills. So inflation is higher than elsewhere. It must be very hard for poor people in the North on limited budgets.

I read an article on BBC today about a uni lecturer who's struggling with childcare costs and cost of living costs.

People are always going to struggle with childcare costs. Child care means paying someone else to look after your children, the only way that would not be expensive was if that person was poorly paid compared to you. If the economy improves then you might get more, but presumably the child care person gets more too, so it will always be expensive.

The part in bold is total nonsense

The vast majority of Europeans don't struggle with childcare

The fact the those in UK & Ireland struggle is a conscious choice by gov't

Childcare adds zero value to the economy

This is exactly an area they should be subsidising if they want to get UK productivity up

Sure where were the gaa hardlads who act all hard on a football field assualting other players and refs  but no where to be seen last night yet they claim to be these big comnmunity people because they know what would have happen to them if they went down there.Where were the hardman fans too ohhhh no where ohhhh pillars of the community

    

A powerful contribution

Agreed on the UN

Uncle Sam decides who it's OK to massacre and who it isn't

Though Srebrenica doesn't even touch the sides in comparison to this

In Srebrenica they spared the women and children

The Israeli genocide machine is obliterating anything that moves

They didn't spare young male children and there was plenty of rapes reported. It took twenty years to bring those animals to justice, let's hope todays war criminals ( western powers ) eventually get charged.

There is not a pups chance of that happening

Because to do this Sunak, Biden and Von der Leyen would have to end up in The Hague along with Netanyahu

Agreed on the UN

Uncle Sam decides who it's OK to massacre and who it isn't

Though Srebrenica doesn't even touch the sides in comparison to this

In Srebrenica they spared the women and children

The Israeli genocide machine is obliterating anything that moves

Does anyone genuinely still believe Israel didn't bomb that first hospital?

I can't be bothered to go back to find out who, but we had a poster on here try to suggest that the Israelis were being 'open and honest' about it

After releasing about half a dozen doctored video and audio clips to 'prove' it was Hamas

I mean how absolutely f**king thick does someone have to be

The genocidal Israelis (and Nigerian Princes) depend on such fools

Yeah you can pooh pooh all ya want.

There's nothing happening in Gaza that I'm not agreeing with you, or anyone else bar maybe one or two.

Again, you've done enough spewing rubbish but, hey, that's ok.

"pooh pooh" ??

Lol

This topic generally makes me very angry, but that gave me a laugh

So I suppose I should thank you

😂

I don't have to, I'm just showing that people tend to have 'preferences' which is ok. But personally, there's no 'better' deaths.

Kids dying are no different in Gaza, Aleppo or the numerous African wars.

This isn't deflection or taking away what the degenerate murdering scumbags are doing in Gaza

 

The only person talking about 'better' deaths (what a phrase to invent) is you

What the fcuk are you waffling on about?

What exact point is it that are you trying to make and could you make it please

All I've said is the discussion board  rates other wars more important to discuss.

Probably better deaths wasn't the best term, but I'm only saying, for all the pages on this current war, no one really condemns or talks at length on other wars.

Btw you did plenty waffling earlier

Jesus christ

About 7 posts and your "point" is that people care about some things more than they care about other things

All wars are not equal and some will resonate with people more than others

Whoop de doo

But this isn't even a war

It's shooting fish in a barrel

A massacre of mostly innocents in which children are dying in their hundreds per day

It's genocide and an attempt to exterminate a nation of people in order to steal their land

I'm sorry that you couldn't understand what I was saying in my earlier posts

But given the nonsense you've been spewing here, I don't think the fault lies with me

I don't have to, I'm just showing that people tend to have 'preferences' which is ok. But personally, there's no 'better' deaths.

Kids dying are no different in Gaza, Aleppo or the numerous African wars.

This isn't deflection or taking away what the degenerate murdering scumbags are doing in Gaza

 

The only person talking about 'better' deaths (what a phrase to invent) is you

What the fcuk are you waffling on about?

What exact point is it that are you trying to make and could you make it please

In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre

Your point is?

Yes, my experience, y'know from being alive and what not

Hamas are at war with Israel.. you said in one post this war has been going on for a month then in another post it's not a war?

Your stats are straight from the hamas playbook

I'm sure that sounded like a witty retort somewhere in your head

Christ the night

My stats come from the UN

As for use of the word war, I didn't say it directly, but yes, that would have been easily inferred

You have my apologies for that

What's going on at the minute is not a war - genocide is not war

In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre

Your point is?

Yes, my experience, y'know from being alive and what not

[The point is some wars seem to have more attention on them and others people turn a blind eye or maybe pay it some lip service]

I don't think there should be a hierarchy in place for loss of life depending on where you are from. I don't know the figures for the first month of that war, it could be similar, also the ratio to under 18's in Gaza is far higher in such a condensed place in comparison to Syria.

I'd say that if 2 million Syrians lived in place the size of Gaza and were (are still) being bombed like the Israeli's are doing then the figures could be similar.

The point is some wars seem to have more attention on them and others people turn a blind eye or maybe pay it some lip service

The stats also crude reveals that no fewer than 230,224 civilians, including 30,007 children and 16,319 women (adult female), were killed at the hands of the parties to the conflict and controlling forces in Syria between March 2011 and March 2023

Firstly, there's an army involved, but this is not a war.

War implies an equivalence which doesn't exist

My point is that one of the main reasons that people are getting so exercised about this is the sheer scale and relentlessness of the mass murder of innocent civilians and children especially

In my experience, most people posing the question in bold are following the Israeli playbook trying to play the antisemitism card.  It's seldom a genuine question

Heaven forbid that people would get angry about carpet bombing civilians and the murder of thousands of innocent children

No, you must hate jews

"Riled up"? What are you on about? I'm actually a little bit bored w/ this thread, but it sort of baffles me as to why people care SO much about it. Far more people died in the war Syria, for example. Was that too complicated to understand? Yeah, I know there's lots of factors involved that stir people up a bit, but - Christ! - ye do bang on a bit!

More people died in absolute terms

But the war lasted over a decade - this one has been going for a month

In terms of statistics, and this is a crude one, but true nonetheless

Children are dying in Gaza at a rate of over 130x per day

In the Syrian conflict, the equivalent figure was 4x per day

Do you now understand why people might be getting more exercised about it?  Or is it too complicated?

[I honestly think it's at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

Another person who swallows the Zionist bullshit that this all started a month ago

The Oct 7th attack is only the latest in a VERY long list of reasons why 'we are where we currently are'

Yes, immediate cause and root causes. I'm sure everyone is aware of the distinction.  The Hamas attack on 7th October is the immediate cause.

Like I say, it's only the immediate cause if your clock starts on exactly the 7th Oct.

That's fairly idiotic there chief.

Not even a tiny bit.

If you think the Israeli bombardment of Gaza has solely been caused by the 7th October attacks then you've been indoctrinated

It's neither the root cause OR the immediate cause

It's only being used as a justification for something the Israelis have been dying to do for decades

[I honestly think it's at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.]

Is it just me or is this Israeli bombing  these supposed  tunnels smell  exactly like  the US bombing the crap out of  mountains in Afghanistan,  because that's where Bin Laden was hiding, in a  Dr Evil-style hollowed out lair?

Ach sure, if we happen to kill 5,000 Palestinians  at  the same time , sure as long as  we got the tunnel

I honestly think it's  at the stage now that Israel always wanted. Total obliteration.  There will be nothing left.  If Palestinians can leave,  they should.  Palestinians will be scattered to the four winds , and Israel will take over  what's left. There will be nothing for Palestinians  to come back to.  As sad as it is , leave the warmongering b******s to it , and rest of  the world  shun anything to do with Israel.

100% this is what Netanyahu always wanted, his name up in lights as a strong man with a death count which means his name will be etched in history, good bad or indifferent he doesn't give a f**k. This has also been cynically timed in proximity to the American election cycle to render POTUS impotent, its the culmination of a lifetimes work for the sc**bag. Its also the culmination of 50+ years of American tolerance and enabling of Zionism, but who'd be surprised at that, sure didn't the US recruit high ranking Nazis after WWII.

End of the day this is a shit show and not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more press the big red nuclear button, certainly expect Netanyahu and Putin would have an erection for it, and others too. Nuclear deterrent my ass, you build a stockpile and there's men who dream of using it.

Shame on all the cowards over the years who got it to this point, the Zionists have it fairly stitched up at this point, the level of political cover for genocide is lunacy, they played the long game and won by the looks of it

Getting lost among the atrocities - but we are where we currently are because Hamas launched a terrorist attack, Israel are doing exactly what Hamas expected & hoped they would do after the attack. The Arab world coming to their aid is the only part of their plan not happening atm.

Another person who swallows the Zionist bullshit that this all started a month ago

The Oct 7th attack is only the latest in a VERY long list of reasons why 'we are where we currently are'

Yes, immediate cause and root causes. I'm sure everyone is aware of the distinction.  The Hamas attack on 7th October is the immediate cause.

Like I say, it's only the immediate cause if your clock starts on exactly the 7th Oct.