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[This whole "they're as bad as each other" narrative is a very lazy analysis.]

sinn fein will probably back passports because the dup might block them  but if dup vote for them then sinn fein might go against them so they can play off each other

No. SF have always said they'd be in favour of them because it's the bloody sensible thing to do. I believe all the parties bar DUP/TUV are backing them.

This whole "they're as bad as each other" narrative is a very lazy analysis.

Yes, it is lazy analysis. But it's also true.

[Links to slavery just isn't acceptable]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

France strict vaxx passport policy highest number of cases since august

So the problem with a vaccine passport is what?

give people a false sense of security to galivant all over the place

Sensible talk is not allowed in here. Now go sit on the naughty step.

Big GAA club out in Chicago-McBrides

Guy fought against the Brits in the Boer War and was directly involved in the subjugation of the native populations and the establishment of Apartheid

Got to go

Rather appropriate that someone called whitey posted this 

[tell the rest to be careful .]

Just love the sanctimonious crap from some people
I didn't say she was distraught about the party I said it's another kick ,
Another lock down is her fear , no friends, no social life , no interaction
Girls / guys in their 20s told get the jab to help the elderly ( they did )
Don't have a social life ( they didn't  for two years )
Work from home ( they have )

The reality is the government hasn't a clue
If they had balls they should be like Austria lock down the unvaccinated, tell the rest to be careful .
Remember there will be another 50k at aviva on Sunday

Haha good one! 

Oh wait, you're serious.

[Links to slavery just isn't acceptable]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

I hope you don't pull your hamstring with that stretch

What the hell are you talking about?

If I got 10 people to sign a petition to rename a club because they're traumatized every time they drive by the ground, why shouldn't they be heard?

But come on. We're talking about a known Slaver. We're not on about Saints from 1500 years ago because of the actions of some horrendous people recently. That's a humongous stretch. Lets deal with people themselves, not stretching that far back by association. You will eventually find 10 people to sign anything, but that's hardly the point. It's looking objectively at some names on individuals, on what they did themselves. And how they are being honoured with having clubs named after them despite what they themselves did. Your point was making a huge stretch...

What about the saints themselves? I'd be certain they were no er, saints themselves . Does someone who  lived 1500 years  get away with more because it was further back in time?

I mean, there's a question to whether some even existed at all, but take the Patrick story. Did he really walk the land meeting hairy-arsed pagans, who willingly gave up all their pagan beliefs and rituals to go along with this fella they just met? Aye right.

Anyway, I digress

[Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.]

My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Are you really making that analogy? Equating Slavery with a childs tale about snakes? Come on now...

What do you think? What I'm getting at is everyone has a past. Slavery was legal then, was it not? If a ground was named after a club man, and then it was found out years later that he had 3 penalty points, or he once laughed at Bernard Manning telling a Pakistani joke, should we rename the ground? This erasing of history has gone too far.

Alright, can't tell if you're actually trolling or not, but that's me out. I'll say this, and then I'm out of discussing this. If you think something was right, just because it was legal (in some countries) then you need your head checked. There was massive uproar against Slavery outside of those benefitting from it (a civil war was fought over it in the US - and Mitchel was on the wrong side of that), and we absolutely can disassociate from those involved in slavery. It doesn't have to be ok or legal at the time. It was and is hugely wrong, and we should not be honouring these type of people. Really pal, don't excuse that.

I'm not excusing anything. Slavery was wrong, but Mitchell is honoured (like others around that time) for his fight for Irish freedom,  promotion of Irish culture etc. Not because he was a slave owner.

Anyway, you could go through any club name in Ireland and find a reason, However small , to get rid of it. From those who murdered British soldiers, to those that voted against the same sex marriage referendum, to those that gave the  wife the odd slap.  Someone's viewpoint  on one topic/issue will always go against someone else's viewpoint of same. There will always be someone offended by something, that's just the way of the world

[Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.]

My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Are you really making that analogy? Equating Slavery with a childs tale about snakes? Come on now...

What do you think? What I'm getting at is everyone has a past. Slavery was legal then, was it not? If a ground was named after a club man, and then it was found out years later that he had 3 penalty points, or he once laughed at Bernard Manning telling a Pakistani joke, should we rename the ground? This erasing of history has gone too far.

Who's in The Fermanagh final?

[Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.]

My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

[Media and politicians can be bias, absolutly no doubt about that. MSM are in my opinion less bias than those sites etc. that tell you not to trust MSM. That doesn't mean when they report on science etc. because they are MSM it is wrong.]

Sf basically some people will say anything against it no matter what. Is it disappointing we are still when we are? Yes. However it is still a huge improvement.

Lines come out like "it'll never be over". Ridiculous.

Well, since 90+% have been vaccinated,  rates still sky high, and they're drip feeding you info that there'll be a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 50th jab... it doesn't sound like this will go away to me. And it won't be. It could, but it won't.

Absolute nonsense.

Well as stated earlier, Israel are preparing for a 4th dose. Doesn't sound like it's going away does it? Maybe you just don't want to tell yourself that.

You didn't answer earlier, how could it be over? What could have been done to ensure it could be over?

There's ever chance it's not going away. But there's no point whinging about that. You have to play the hand your dealt and try and do what we can.

Do you not think there's a cure out there? Or at the very least, something better than these vaccines,  a drug that will eradicate covid so that it virtually prevents hospitalisation and death?  People  would live their life, go back to what they did before, safe in the knowledge that a drug would be on hand to sort it out. What do we have now? A vaccine dwindling in efficacy, people in fear (even those vaccinated!)cases sky high, imminent lockdowns, vaccine passports, continuous jabbing, big pharma cashing in etc. I mean, pharmaceuticals are making billions. Why would they find a cure? They have a market of 8 billion people to be jabbed 2 or maybe 3 times annually. You have to question all that . This is bigger than just a pandemic.  I'll leave it at that,  make up your own mind

Really. You think J&J will hid a drug that could end the pandemic and run the risk of letting a competitor get there first with the worldwide sales that could be involved? Not a chance. This is the reason I struggle to take your points seriously. You really are at the far end of the scale with your conspiracy ideas. There's no arguing with that, as it's not based on any evidence. You've just had a thought and decided in your head that it sounds feasible and just decided to accept it. Based on nothing. Surely you understand why people would look at that and wonder wtf.

You don't have to read my posts or take anything seriously. You might call it conspiracy, I call it realism. As for accepting things, maybe you should try not hanging on every word spouted by politicians, mainstream media  and pharmaceuticals and question things. Lord knows there's plenty to question

it is conspiracy.. it not realism... what expertise do you have to question regulators, scientists etc. there are peer reviews different regulators across different regions etc.   Do you have opposing views backed up with scientific evidence or is it just you don't trust anything. i don't have the expertise but have family in the medical profession I would question/query stuff with at least better informed than I.  if anything MSM sanitised how bad it was in hospitals during the worst periods of Covid by the way.

Media and politicians can be bias, absolutly no doubt about that. MSM are in my opinion less bias than those sites etc. that tell you not to trust MSM. That doesn't  mean when they report on science etc. because they are MSM it is wrong.

to.be honest reading some of your posts over the last year or so I have wondered do your friends and family worry about you as it cannot be healthy to have such a mindset with your level of scepatism. I honestly do not mean that in any negative way and take mental health very seriously..

There's one example of MSM reporting bullshit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7c_FHiEac


But hey, it's probably a conspiracy 

Sf basically some people will say anything against it no matter what. Is it disappointing we are still when we are? Yes. However it is still a huge improvement.

Lines come out like "it'll never be over". Ridiculous.

Well, since 90+% have been vaccinated,  rates still sky high, and they're drip feeding you info that there'll be a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 50th jab... it doesn't sound like this will go away to me. And it won't be. It could, but it won't.

Absolute nonsense.

Well as stated earlier, Israel are preparing for a 4th dose. Doesn't sound like it's going away does it? Maybe you just don't want to tell yourself that.

You didn't answer earlier, how could it be over? What could have been done to ensure it could be over?

There's ever chance it's not going away. But there's no point whinging about that. You have to play the hand your dealt and try and do what we can.

Do you not think there's a cure out there? Or at the very least, something better than these vaccines,  a drug that will eradicate covid so that it virtually prevents hospitalisation and death?  People  would live their life, go back to what they did before, safe in the knowledge that a drug would be on hand to sort it out. What do we have now? A vaccine dwindling in efficacy, people in fear (even those vaccinated!)cases sky high, imminent lockdowns, vaccine passports, continuous jabbing, big pharma cashing in etc. I mean, pharmaceuticals are making billions. Why would they find a cure? They have a market of 8 billion people to be jabbed 2 or maybe 3 times annually. You have to question all that . This is bigger than just a pandemic.  I'll leave it at that,  make up your own mind

Really. You think J&J will hid a drug that could end the pandemic and run the risk of letting a competitor get there first with the worldwide sales that could be involved? Not a chance. This is the reason I struggle to take your points seriously. You really are at the far end of the scale with your conspiracy ideas. There's no arguing with that, as it's not based on any evidence. You've just had a thought and decided in your head that it sounds feasible and just decided to accept it. Based on nothing. Surely you understand why people would look at that and wonder wtf.

You don't have to read my posts or take anything seriously. You might call it conspiracy, I call it realism. As for accepting things, maybe you should try not hanging on every word spouted by politicians, mainstream media  and pharmaceuticals and question things. Lord knows there's plenty to question

4th dose wow. No finishing point in sight folks.

Its going to be an annual dose like the flu jab. Might as well get used to it with such a transmissible, rapidly-evolving virus.

They'll probably end up combining the two, assuming that's possible.

No that's not good enough. And if we all  get annual or bi annual shots, then what?  Still run around with masks 24/7, vaccine passports, lockdowns, social distancing until the end of time,  everyone of us mentally tortured the rest of our days? There's something seriously wrong if people are already resigning themselves to a life of jabs, misery and control.  Politicians have f**ked this up for everyone, North south and further afield.  If you resign yourself to that attitude you're basically allowing the next set of b******s to do likewise with no  repercussions

Sf basically some people will say anything against it no matter what. Is it disappointing we are still when we are? Yes. However it is still a huge improvement.

Lines come out like "it'll never be over". Ridiculous.

Well, since 90+% have been vaccinated,  rates still sky high, and they're drip feeding you info that there'll be a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 50th jab... it doesn't sound like this will go away to me. And it won't be. It could, but it won't.

Absolute nonsense.

Well as stated earlier, Israel are preparing for a 4th dose. Doesn't sound like it's going away does it? Maybe you just don't want to tell yourself that.

You didn't answer earlier, how could it be over? What could have been done to ensure it could be over?

There's ever chance it's not going away. But there's no point whinging about that. You have to play the hand your dealt and try and do what we can.

Do you not think there's a cure out there? Or at the very least, something better than these vaccines,  a drug that will eradicate covid so that it virtually prevents hospitalisation and death?  People  would live their life, go back to what they did before, safe in the knowledge that a drug would be on hand to sort it out. What do we have now? A vaccine dwindling in efficacy, people in fear (even those vaccinated!)cases sky high, imminent lockdowns, vaccine passports, continuous jabbing, big pharma cashing in etc. I mean, pharmaceuticals are making billions. Why would they find a cure? They have a market of 8 billion people to be jabbed 2 or maybe 3 times annually. You have to question all that . This is bigger than just a pandemic.  I'll leave it at that,  make up your own mind