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A lot of GAA clubs are named after saints eg St Marys, St Patricks or revolutionary figures eg Wolfe Tones, Pearses.
If you could rename your club, what would the name be ?

Some great names out there, like Fighting Cocks, Lord Edwards, Raperees:

What about:
The Wangers (after the great Crossmaglen)
The Hallions, as in Poyntzpass Hallions

Crossmaglen Rulyas
Culloville Chancers
Cullyhanna Cavemen
Silverbridge Savages 

Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 08, 2021, 09:32:22 PM
Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Not many of them is there? Ramor United is the only one I know of.

I'm watching From dusk till dawn at the moment, I think Santanico Pandemonium would be a cool club name.

My club Ballybay, Monaghan  are named the Ballybay Pearse Brothers.
No rename required.
(https://www.monaghangaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Ballybay.jpg)

Quote from: armaghniac on November 08, 2021, 07:04:31 PM
Crossmaglen Royalty
Culloville Chancers
Cullyhanna Cavemen
Silverbridge Softies

Corrected that for you.....

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 09, 2021, 09:56:13 AM

Quote from: armaghniac on November 08, 2021, 07:04:31 PM
Crossmaglen Royalty
Culloville Chancers
Cullyhanna Cavemen
Silverbridge Softies

Corrected that for you.....

Feens
More feens
Rulya feens
I can't believe they're not feens

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 08, 2021, 10:09:49 PM

Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 08, 2021, 09:32:22 PM
Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Not many of them is there? Ramor United is the only one I know of.

There's a Laragh United in Cavan too. In Ramors case, it was a situation where there were 3 different clubs in the Parish. They amalgamated in the early 70s. The parish is called Lurgan, but as one of the teams were already called Lurgan, they decided against that and named the club Ramor after the large lake that is in the parish, and then United for literally uniting the parish again. Might not feel right, but is what it is and really they are a United in what they did.

Cavan also have two Celtics, Lacken Celtic and Cootehill Celtic, which I think is unique in GAA too. Cootehill actually wear Green and White hoops, taking their name and colours from Glasgow Celtic after locals returned home from Glasgow and formed the GAA club with this nod to Celtic.

My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 08, 2021, 10:09:49 PM

Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 08, 2021, 09:32:22 PM
Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Not many of them is there? Ramor United is the only one I know of.

We also have Laragh United in Cavan. Couple of other ones in Cavan I havent heard of elsewhere are Killeshandra "Leaguers" (Land League) and Kingscourt "Stars".

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

A club in landlocked Cavan calls itself after a battleship!

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2021, 10:30:50 AM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 08, 2021, 10:09:49 PM

Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 08, 2021, 09:32:22 PM
Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Not many of them is there? Ramor United is the only one I know of.

We also have Laragh United in Cavan. Couple of other ones in Cavan I havent heard of elsewhere are Killeshandra "Leaguers" (Land League) and Kingscourt "Stars".

And we've Drung Dalcassians too. Some very unique names in Cavan alright.

Lots of old defunct ones too that were absolutely brilliant and unique: Loughduff Millesians, Doogarry Raparees, Killeshandra Fontenoys (they did join though to become the Leaguers). Finea Knights of Freedom are now Ballymachugh too

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Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

A club in landlocked Cavan calls itself after a battleship!

Yeah bit odd I suppose, but hardly need to be a coastal county. Just naming after a ship and how good it was in battle

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Are you really making that analogy? Equating Slavery with a childs tale about snakes? Come on now...

Could you call yourselves the Battlestars or the Panzers?

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 11:35:20 AM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Are you really making that analogy? Equating Slavery with a childs tale about snakes? Come on now...

What do you think? What I'm getting at is everyone has a past. Slavery was legal then, was it not? If a ground was named after a club man, and then it was found out years later that he had 3 penalty points, or he once laughed at Bernard Manning telling a Pakistani joke, should we rename the ground? This erasing of history has gone too far.

Crom would look great in a name of a Cavan club .

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:46:52 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 11:35:20 AM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Are you really making that analogy? Equating Slavery with a childs tale about snakes? Come on now...

What do you think? What I'm getting at is everyone has a past. Slavery was legal then, was it not? If a ground was named after a club man, and then it was found out years later that he had 3 penalty points, or he once laughed at Bernard Manning telling a Pakistani joke, should we rename the ground? This erasing of history has gone too far.

Alright, can't tell if you're actually trolling or not, but that's me out. I'll say this, and then I'm out of discussing this. If you think something was right, just because it was legal (in some countries) then you need your head checked. There was massive uproar against Slavery outside of those benefitting from it (a civil war was fought over it in the US - and Mitchel was on the wrong side of that), and we absolutely can disassociate from those involved in slavery. It doesn't have to be ok or legal at the time. It was and is hugely wrong, and we should not be honouring these type of people. Really pal, don't excuse that.

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 12:08:55 PM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:46:52 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 11:35:20 AM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

Are you really making that analogy? Equating Slavery with a childs tale about snakes? Come on now...

What do you think? What I'm getting at is everyone has a past. Slavery was legal then, was it not? If a ground was named after a club man, and then it was found out years later that he had 3 penalty points, or he once laughed at Bernard Manning telling a Pakistani joke, should we rename the ground? This erasing of history has gone too far.

Alright, can't tell if you're actually trolling or not, but that's me out. I'll say this, and then I'm out of discussing this. If you think something was right, just because it was legal (in some countries) then you need your head checked. There was massive uproar against Slavery outside of those benefitting from it (a civil war was fought over it in the US - and Mitchel was on the wrong side of that), and we absolutely can disassociate from those involved in slavery. It doesn't have to be ok or legal at the time. It was and is hugely wrong, and we should not be honouring these type of people. Really pal, don't excuse that.

I'm not excusing anything. Slavery was wrong, but Mitchell is honoured (like others around that time) for his fight for Irish freedom,  promotion of Irish culture etc. Not because he was a slave owner.

Anyway, you could go through any club name in Ireland and find a reason, However small , to get rid of it. From those who murdered British soldiers, to those that voted against the same sex marriage referendum, to those that gave the  wife the odd slap.  Someone's viewpoint  on one topic/issue will always go against someone else's viewpoint of same. There will always be someone offended by something, that's just the way of the world

Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2021, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 10:28:40 AM
My own profile name comes from my home club, Mullahoran Dreadnoughts. Not a chance I'd want that name to change, think it's one of the best and most iconic of GAA names out there.

Do think there needs to be that discussion on clubs named after contentious figures. Lot of people who would be in the middle ground in the North for example, are very much put off by some club names linked to figures in the Troubles, and will likely never associate themselves with GAA. No harm in some looking to change and become more inclusive now we're moving on past a lot of these issues on the island. Clubs named after John Mitchel also need to look at themselves, after it was shown what type of man he was.

Is that because he was a slave owner ?

Maybe they should get rid of all the clubs named after St Patrick, after it was proven that snakes never made it as far as Ireland, so he couldn't possibly have driven them from the country. Plus he was Welsh apparently, and  was likely a rugby man.

If you can show Mitchell was Welsh and it was only a myth he owned slaves your argument would be persuasive.

The holocaust was legal.
The people who hid Anne Frank broke the Law as it then was

A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

I hope you don't pull your hamstring with that stretch

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

I hope you don't pull your hamstring with that stretch

What the hell are you talking about?

If I got 10 people to sign a petition to rename a club because they're traumatized every time they drive by the ground, why shouldn't they be heard?

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Surely the GAA would require Irish National Grid.

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 11:33:00 AM

Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2021, 10:30:50 AM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 08, 2021, 10:09:49 PM

Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 08, 2021, 09:32:22 PM
Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Not many of them is there? Ramor United is the only one I know of.

We also have Laragh United in Cavan. Couple of other ones in Cavan I havent heard of elsewhere are Killeshandra "Leaguers" (Land League) and Kingscourt "Stars".

And we've Drumlane Dalcassians too. Some very unique names in Cavan alright.

Lots of old defunct ones too that were absolutely brilliant and unique: Loughduff Millesians, Doogarry Raparees, Killeshandra Fonenoys (they did join though to become the Leaguers). Finea Knights of Freedom are now Ballymachugh too

Never heard of all them. I know there was a team in Killeshandra called Croghan alright at one stage and they were consumed into the leaguers. Was that Finea club in Cavan or Westmeath?

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 12:26:31 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:09:49 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

I hope you don't pull your hamstring with that stretch

What the hell are you talking about?

If I got 10 people to sign a petition to rename a club because they're traumatized every time they drive by the ground, why shouldn't they be heard?

But come on. We're talking about a known Slaver. We're not on about Saints from 1500 years ago because of the actions of some horrendous people recently. That's a humongous stretch. Lets deal with people themselves, not stretching that far back by association. You will eventually find 10 people to sign anything, but that's hardly the point. It's looking objectively at some names on individuals, on what they did themselves. And how they are being honoured with having clubs named after them despite what they themselves did. Your point was making a huge stretch...

Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2021, 01:24:30 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 11:33:00 AM

Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2021, 10:30:50 AM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 08, 2021, 10:09:49 PM

Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 08, 2021, 09:32:22 PM
Gaa clubs with'united' in their names don't feel right to me.

Not many of them is there? Ramor United is the only one I know of.

We also have Laragh United in Cavan. Couple of other ones in Cavan I havent heard of elsewhere are Killeshandra "Leaguers" (Land League) and Kingscourt "Stars".

And we've Drumlane Dalcassians too. Some very unique names in Cavan alright.

Lots of old defunct ones too that were absolutely brilliant and unique: Loughduff Millesians, Doogarry Raparees, Killeshandra Fonenoys (they did join though to become the Leaguers). Finea Knights of Freedom are now Ballymachugh too

Never heard of all them. I know there was a team in Killeshandra called Croghan alright at one stage and they were consumed into the leaguers. Was that Finea club in Cavan or Westmeath?

That club was in Cavan. Finea is a bit off an odd one as it did play in Cavan at one time (weren't the borders redrawn in the not too distant past?). That Finea Knights of Freedom club is the direct descendant of Ballymachugh now, so would always have been Cavan.

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:26:46 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 12:26:31 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 02:04:05 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:26:46 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 12:26:31 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 01:54:21 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:09:49 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

I hope you don't pull your hamstring with that stretch

What the hell are you talking about?

If I got 10 people to sign a petition to rename a club because they're traumatized every time they drive by the ground, why shouldn't they be heard?

But come on. We're talking about a known Slaver. We're not on about Saints from 1500 years ago because of the actions of some horrendous people recently. That's a humongous stretch. Lets deal with people themselves, not stretching that far back by association. You will eventually find 10 people to sign anything, but that's hardly the point. It's looking objectively at some names on individuals, on what they did themselves. And how they are being honoured with having clubs named after them despite what they themselves did. Your point was making a huge stretch...

What about the saints themselves? I'd be certain they were no er, saints themselves . Does someone who  lived 1500 years  get away with more because it was further back in time?

I mean, there's a question to whether some even existed at all, but take the Patrick story. Did he really walk the land meeting hairy-arsed pagans, who willingly gave up all their pagan beliefs and rituals to go along with this fella they just met? Aye right.

Anyway, I digress

Need to get rid of the O'Duffy stand at Clones.
Any club named after Mitchel should be probably reconsider.

Wait til you's hear who Sam Maguire was..

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 02:58:18 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 02:04:05 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:26:46 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 12:26:31 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

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Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 01:26:46 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2021, 12:26:31 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 16, 2021, 12:12:22 PM
I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

Fair enough

What about Tipperary buck singing the Galtee Mountain Boy in the steps of the Hogan Stand when they win the AIF?

Dan Breen was a rabid Nazi supporter and should not be honored with people singing songs about him or naming cups after him (Tipperary Senior Hurling Championship)

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

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A lot of people are outraged at the Catholic Church for child abuse and the treatment of unmarried mothers in homes and Magdalene Laundries

An argument could be made that any club or ground named after a saint or a  cleric should be renamed

I hope you don't pull your hamstring with that stretch

What the hell are you talking about?

If I got 10 people to sign a petition to rename a club because they're traumatized every time they drive by the ground, why shouldn't they be heard?

But come on. We're talking about a known Slaver. We're not on about Saints from 1500 years ago because of the actions of some horrendous people recently. That's a humongous stretch. Lets deal with people themselves, not stretching that far back by association. You will eventually find 10 people to sign anything, but that's hardly the point. It's looking objectively at some names on individuals, on what they did themselves. And how they are being honoured with having clubs named after them despite what they themselves did. Your point was making a huge stretch...

What about the saints themselves? I'd be certain they were no er, saints themselves . Does someone who  lived 1500 years  get away with more because it was further back in time?

I mean, there's a question to whether some even existed at all, but take the Patrick story. Did he really walk the land meeting hairy-arsed pagans, who willingly gave up all their pagan beliefs and rituals to go along with this fella they just met? Aye right.

Anyway, I digress

I believe Santa Claus (St Nicholas) was a right Cnut. Time to cancel Christmas.

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

Fair enough

What about Tipperary buck singing the Galtee Mountain Boy in the steps of the Hogan Stand when they win the AIF?

Dan Breen was a rabid Nazi supporter and should not be honored with people singing songs about him or naming cups after him (Tipperary Senior Hurling Championship)

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

Read through that. Didnt see the word Rabid anywhere and a lot of circumstantial shite too. Sources the brits a lot who I know you probably have a lot of trust in but I would beg to differ. He was good at shooting black and tans though so he deserves his own song.
Longford slashers, thats a great name. There used to be a Cavan Slashers too but they became Cavan Gaels.

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

Fair enough

What about Tipperary buck singing the Galtee Mountain Boy in the steps of the Hogan Stand when they win the AIF?

Dan Breen was a rabid Nazi supporter and should not be honored with people singing songs about him or naming cups after him (Tipperary Senior Hurling Championship)

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

Read through that. Didnt see the word Rabid anywhere and a lot of circumstantial shite too. Sources the brits a lot who I know you probably have a lot of trust in but I would beg to differ. He was good at shooting black and tans though so he deserves his own song.
Longford slashers, thats a great name. There used to be a Cavan Slashers too but they became Cavan Gaels.

So if it was proven that he was in fact a Nazi sympathizer, would you be in favor of my proposal of removing his name from the cup, and the banning of the song?

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

Fair enough

What about Tipperary buck singing the Galtee Mountain Boy in the steps of the Hogan Stand when they win the AIF?

Dan Breen was a rabid Nazi supporter and should not be honored with people singing songs about him or naming cups after him (Tipperary Senior Hurling Championship)

https://markhumphrys.com/dan.breen.html

Read through that. Didnt see the word Rabid anywhere and a lot of circumstantial shite too. Sources the brits a lot who I know you probably have a lot of trust in but I would beg to differ. He was good at shooting black and tans though so he deserves his own song.
Longford slashers, thats a great name. There used to be a Cavan Slashers too but they became Cavan Gaels.

So if it was proven that he was in fact a Nazi sympathizer, would you be in favor of my proposal of removing his name from the cup, and the banning of the song?

Well first thing I would do is dig him up and send to the Haque for trial.

Athenry De Wets were hurling during the Boer War.
Turloughmore could be called the Wets.

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

Big GAA club out in Chicago-McBrides

Guy fought against the Brits in the Boer War and was directly involved in the subjugation of the native populations and the establishment of Apartheid

Got to go

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Big GAA club out in Chicago-McBrides

Guy fought against the Brits in the Boer War and was directly involved in the subjugation of the native populations and the establishment of Apartheid

Got to go

Rather appropriate that someone called whitey posted this  ;)

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

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Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

What exactly did Maguire do then, in your words? And get out with that one, someone already said that above. You can't really be equating saints from 1500 years ago with the current Catholic Church, can you? We're on about individuals on their own here, not what an organisation may have done many many years later. An illogical argument

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

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I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

Well it's just a figure of speech.

But it depends on the era of taking up arms. As we all know from  the Dublin media/establishment, 1916 = courageous heroes. Late 1960's onwards = terrorists.

I know of a club that honored a recently deceased member that was an unapologetic dissident Republican.

What sanction should be imposed on them?

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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 17, 2021, 10:52:44 AM
Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

What exactly did Maguire do then, in your words? And get out with that one, someone already said that above. You can't really be equating saints from 1500 years ago with the current Catholic Church, can you? We're on about individuals on their own here, not what an organisation may have done many many years later. An illogical argument

He shot a good few Brits did he not?

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 16, 2021, 03:41:01 PM
Wait til you's hear who Sam Maguire was..

Winning goal scorer for the Kickhams!!!

I'm more interested in the background to the names of clubs and ninknames.

Starting off, Brokencrossbar, whats the whole Crossmaglen wangers thing about

Quote from: Itchy on November 17, 2021, 01:49:22 PM

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 17, 2021, 10:52:44 AM
Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

What exactly did Maguire do then, in your words? And get out with that one, someone already said that above. You can't really be equating saints from 1500 years ago with the current Catholic Church, can you? We're on about individuals on their own here, not what an organisation may have done many many years later. An illogical argument

He shot a good few Brits did he not?

Did he? Honestly went looking, and can't see anything attributed to him. Does say he was on that side alright, but can't see anything confirmed. If you could enlighten me, that would be great

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Quote from: Itchy on November 17, 2021, 01:49:22 PM

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

It's amazing people think that memorialising fascists, racists and bigots isn't an issue

Quote from: general_lee on November 17, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
It's amazing people think that memorialising fascists, racists and bigots isn't an issue

It's amazing people think that historical figures who lived 100-200 years ago weren't as evolved on issues of race and morality as people are today

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Maybe not, but it is baffling why names like that still exist a century after the Brits left

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Quote from: general_lee on November 17, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
It's amazing people think that memorialising fascists, racists and bigots isn't an issue

It's amazing people think that historical figures who lived 100-200 years ago weren't as evolved on issues of race and morality as people are today

That's the sort of justification I hear from tories when they w**k over Churchill

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Quote from: general_lee on November 17, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
It's amazing people think that memorialising fascists, racists and bigots isn't an issue

It's amazing people think that historical figures who lived 100-200 years ago weren't as evolved on issues of race and morality as people are today

That's the sort of justification I hear from tories when they w**k over Churchill

Nothing to do with Churchill

Viewing the actions of historical figures through the lens of what's commonly acceptable today is flat out dumb.

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 17, 2021, 10:52:44 AM
Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

What exactly did Maguire do then, in your words? And get out with that one, someone already said that above. You can't really be equating saints from 1500 years ago with the current Catholic Church, can you? We're on about individuals on their own here, not what an organisation may have done many many years later. An illogical argument

He shot a good few Brits did he not?

Did he? Honestly went looking, and can't see anything attributed to him. Does say he was on that side alright, but can't see anything confirmed. If you could enlighten me, that would be great

Well he was high enough up and was meant to be the man who recruited Michael Collins so I'd say he was involved in a bit. Is it not more or less accepted that he was the man who shot Henry Wilson the Antrim MP at the time?

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

Rugby?  Is this the same rugby that has a British war memorial as part of its newly built main stadium?

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

The modern GAA is the most popular it has ever been. You will never win over a certain section of northern society because the GAA isn't solely a sporting organisition - it is a cultural one too that has implicit ambitions of a reunified Ireland. To remove that cultural aspect is to lobotomise what the GAA is and, in doing so, alienate the core support that it already has. And for what? To win over a few thousand (secular alliance party/green party voters as you have described above) people who love a spin to Dublin on the pints no matter what the sport happens to be (the types that spend €100 on a ticket to an autumn international rugby match but wouldn't attend a club rugby match).

In short, if you actually think the GAA should change, get involved and make the case for change from within. What I suspect you want to do is the opposite - hurl from the ditch and complain but invest no effort yourself in bringing such change about.

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

The Dungiven Sir Terry Wogan's has a much better ring to it.

I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

The nationalist community in the North was traumatised after partition. You can tell because Cavan won 5 all Irelands during that period
and none after Down won their first.
The GAA was an important part in the recovery. So was nationalism. I think that explains some of the club names.
Maybe now things are different

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

Excellent post if I may say so.

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

Rugby?  Is this the same rugby that has a British war memorial as part of its newly built main stadium?

To be fair, the memorial has been in place for quite some time, and renovation of the stadium did not affect this. Is there an issue with a memorial to that many Irishmen who died in both wars?

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

Good post. Like you say, you'll never win over the wingnuts. But not on about those. Any progressive organisation should be moving forward itself, and appealing to those who would be appealed to is more my point. Some of the names just need looked at. It's not a wholesale thing, just showing you're growing and progressing as an organisation as we move with the times. Agree with your post

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

On a similar note, the 1916 commemoration should not have happened at Croke Park. I don't see a difference in that and the hunger strike marches at matches in the 80's. No place for those on a GAA field. And not only because it will deter unionists from taking part , but because ithey are political and nothing to do with sport

Agree on the political  shirts as well.

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead. And national anthem used  for all Ireland finals only.

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Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...

No there are not except to people who are going around looking for a problem. Do you think people who are offended by Kevin Lynch's name being on GAA club will suddenly start respecting the GAA if it is moved? Like I said a pile of complete bollox. Go up to Dublin and see the amount of streets named after people like Cromwell and I dont see lines of people expressing their outrage about it.

Uh, yes? I live in the North. There are many people in the middle ground who don't like the way many names and such relate to the Troubles. These are not the hardcore Unionists or Loyalists, but secular everyday people not in either community just going about their lives, vote Green or Alliance, and would love the opportunity for their kids to play different sports. Their wider family may also have been impacted by the Troubles (like many families here). They might play football and rugby, but usually not GAA due to being uncomfortable as it's exclusive. They see the way the names are venerated in that the GAA is stuck in that and not moving on. I can't disagree with that personally either...

I literally know these people and I work with and are friends with some of them. They've told me this. If the GAA did take a stance to move past these names, they absolutely would respect the sport more. The same like many respected the GAA when we got rid of Rules 27 and 42 in the past. The GAA has moved forward before, and needs to do so again on this. Heads in the sand doesn't work here, change is needed.

It's really not bollox, especially if we want to grow the sport in the North. It is stuck at current levels otherwise and won't grow into the middle ground. Rugby has changed. For example it has got rid of certain flags, Northern Ireland flags are not waved at Ulster matches any more and you won't hear GSTQ. They now accept a very much more varied crowd in recent years, with around 30% of fans now from a Catholic background. That would be unheard of the other way round in GAA...

Rugby?  Is this the same rugby that has a British war memorial as part of its newly built main stadium?

To be fair, the memorial has been in place for quite some time, and renovation of the stadium did not affect this. Is there an issue with a memorial to that many Irishmen who died in both wars?

And that the Unionists / UVF used (WW1) to force the British to force partition. And use the returned solders to man the police and terrorise the catholic population.

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead.

Careful Benny.
I suggested that a year or so ago and got savaged by Snapchap and some other extremist.

Next you'll be asking for the Anthem only to be sang at finals!

Quote from: seafoid on November 18, 2021, 10:23:16 AM
The nationalist community in the North was traumatised after partition. You can tell because Cavan won 5 all Irelands during that period
and none after Down won their first.
The GAA was an important part in the recovery. So was nationalism. I think that explains some of the club names.
Maybe now things are different

Good man seafood all when Galway was playing agaunst a maximum of 2 teams in Connacht at the most. I suppose northern teams weren't "traumatised" during the 60s and onwards. You really have no clue about ulster old boy.

is the palestine flag banned from games

Quote from: Eire90 on November 18, 2021, 08:42:58 PM
is the palestine flag banned from games

Didn't know people were flying them, any Jewish flegs going?

Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2021, 05:15:17 PM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 18, 2021, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead.

Careful Benny.
I suggested that a year or so ago and got savaged by Snapchap and some other extremist.

I totally understand where the 3 of you are coming from with the tricolour and politics thing and see what you mean, but I totally disagree. For me republicanism, patriotism, nationalism and the GAA are all intertwined and part of my culture and who I am. I don't see the tricolour or the national anthem or grounds/trophies/clubs named after republicans as something to be ashamed of, apologise for or change. If people from the other side of the house want to get involved in GAA that's brilliant and they should be more than welcome, if not then it's no skin off anyone's nose but we shouldnt have to compromise to accommodate anyone.

Maybe it's the area I grew up in I don't know.

I've said we can't keep everyone happy, I was not brought into the GAA for political reasons, the culture and identity of it came a lot later into my playing days, by then I was able to make my own opinions and judgements. It was purely the sport, anthems United Irelands didn't feature, I lived in Ireland so never gave it a thought.

Political parties hijacking sporting institutions for their own gains is wrong. If you think it is then that's fine.

Quote from: Kickham csc on November 18, 2021, 04:41:27 PM

And that the Unionists / UVF used (WW1) to force the British to force partition. And use the returned solders to man the police and terrorise the catholic population.

And that's the fault of a memorial for dead Irish soldiers in those wars?

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2021, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2021, 05:15:17 PM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 18, 2021, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead.

Careful Benny.
I suggested that a year or so ago and got savaged by Snapchap and some other extremist.

I totally understand where the 3 of you are coming from with the tricolour and politics thing and see what you mean, but I totally disagree. For me republicanism, patriotism, nationalism and the GAA are all intertwined and part of my culture and who I am. I don't see the tricolour or the national anthem or grounds/trophies/clubs named after republicans as something to be ashamed of, apologise for or change. If people from the other side of the house want to get involved in GAA that's brilliant and they should be more than welcome, if not then it's no skin off anyone's nose but we shouldnt have to compromise to accommodate anyone.

Maybe it's the area I grew up in I don't know.

Yeah I get most of that. But then are you happy for just the GAA to be pretty much exclusionary for many in places in the North then? I'm fine with pretty much most of the iconography, but do think we need to look at clubs named after Slavers, and convicted Republicans. Like there's really no need for it at this stage. Some clubs changed their names during the Troubles, so could change it back. Do think it would make a difference to those middle ground.

And you shouldn't have to compromise to accommodate anyone. But people need to come to the realisation themselves if they don't want to be so insular and exclusionary, or at least the GAA need to see the problem and set standards for it. The GAA has been progressive in teh past, just something else it should look

How far back do you go?
Austin Stacks, Kerins O'Rahillys, Wolfe Tones, Padraig Pearses.....
Or is it only 6 Cos Clubs, Grounds names?
While we're at it should the GAA in the post GFA world not be getting rid of some of the oul guff at the start of the T O?

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 19, 2021, 08:39:19 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2021, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2021, 05:15:17 PM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 18, 2021, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead.

Careful Benny.
I suggested that a year or so ago and got savaged by Snapchap and some other extremist.

I totally understand where the 3 of you are coming from with the tricolour and politics thing and see what you mean, but I totally disagree. For me republicanism, patriotism, nationalism and the GAA are all intertwined and part of my culture and who I am. I don't see the tricolour or the national anthem or grounds/trophies/clubs named after republicans as something to be ashamed of, apologise for or change. If people from the other side of the house want to get involved in GAA that's brilliant and they should be more than welcome, if not then it's no skin off anyone's nose but we shouldnt have to compromise to accommodate anyone.

Maybe it's the area I grew up in I don't know.

Yeah I get most of that. But then are you happy for just the GAA to be pretty much exclusionary for many in places in the North then? I'm fine with pretty much most of the iconography, but do think we need to look at clubs named after Slavers, and convicted Republicans. Like there's really no need for it at this stage. Some clubs changed their names during the Troubles, so could change it back. Do think it would make a difference to those middle ground.

And you shouldn't have to compromise to accommodate anyone. But people need to come to the realisation themselves if they don't want to be so insular and exclusionary, or at least the GAA need to see the problem and set standards for it. The GAA has been progressive in teh past, just something else it should look

So who will be doing the looking, and who will make the final decision in whether a name is offensive?

The clubs themselves and their members?

The GAA executive?

The local community?

Quote from: whitey on November 19, 2021, 12:03:30 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 19, 2021, 08:39:19 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2021, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2021, 05:15:17 PM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 18, 2021, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead.

Careful Benny.
I suggested that a year or so ago and got savaged by Snapchap and some other extremist.

I totally understand where the 3 of you are coming from with the tricolour and politics thing and see what you mean, but I totally disagree. For me republicanism, patriotism, nationalism and the GAA are all intertwined and part of my culture and who I am. I don't see the tricolour or the national anthem or grounds/trophies/clubs named after republicans as something to be ashamed of, apologise for or change. If people from the other side of the house want to get involved in GAA that's brilliant and they should be more than welcome, if not then it's no skin off anyone's nose but we shouldnt have to compromise to accommodate anyone.

Maybe it's the area I grew up in I don't know.

Yeah I get most of that. But then are you happy for just the GAA to be pretty much exclusionary for many in places in the North then? I'm fine with pretty much most of the iconography, but do think we need to look at clubs named after Slavers, and convicted Republicans. Like there's really no need for it at this stage. Some clubs changed their names during the Troubles, so could change it back. Do think it would make a difference to those middle ground.

And you shouldn't have to compromise to accommodate anyone. But people need to come to the realisation themselves if they don't want to be so insular and exclusionary, or at least the GAA need to see the problem and set standards for it. The GAA has been progressive in teh past, just something else it should look

So who will be doing the looking, and who will make the final decision in whether a name is offensive?

The clubs themselves and their members?

The GAA executive?

The local community?

I've said it before to you earlier in teh thread, they need to come to the decision themselves. They need education and informed discussion, and if needed led by the GAA if they issue standards. But they need to have those discussions. You know the ones I'm talking about too...

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 19, 2021, 12:20:26 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 19, 2021, 12:03:30 PM

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 19, 2021, 08:39:19 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2021, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on November 18, 2021, 05:15:17 PM

Quote from: BennyCake on November 18, 2021, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2021, 10:19:34 AM
I think we are progressing well, the great thing about the GAA is, it hasn't stood still, things take time to change, and those that used the term ' the GAA is the IRA at play'  have lessened over the years, coverage and exposure of our games, not just here but on the likes of SKY have made the game so much more accessible to new people.

You'll never win over cnuts, and to be honest there is no point in trying, just continue as we have and its will modernize and evolve naturally, there are some own goals at times and that's going to happen.

Headquarters should always look at including as many people as possible, the more people on this island playing our unique sports the better, I'm not for the association being political and we should always steer away from that, our grounds should be sporting grounds and not used by political parties or agendas.

Not fussed on political GAA tops either tbh, there are some about with the GAA logo on them, if we can keep it more cultural less political then we reduce the own goals, and give less ammunition to those cnuts who wish to bring the sport down

In recent years too , I've come to the opinion that the tri colour shouldn't be flown at grounds either. The GAA flag should be flown instead.

Careful Benny.
I suggested that a year or so ago and got savaged by Snapchap and some other extremist.

I totally understand where the 3 of you are coming from with the tricolour and politics thing and see what you mean, but I totally disagree. For me republicanism, patriotism, nationalism and the GAA are all intertwined and part of my culture and who I am. I don't see the tricolour or the national anthem or grounds/trophies/clubs named after republicans as something to be ashamed of, apologise for or change. If people from the other side of the house want to get involved in GAA that's brilliant and they should be more than welcome, if not then it's no skin off anyone's nose but we shouldnt have to compromise to accommodate anyone.

Maybe it's the area I grew up in I don't know.

Yeah I get most of that. But then are you happy for just the GAA to be pretty much exclusionary for many in places in the North then? I'm fine with pretty much most of the iconography, but do think we need to look at clubs named after Slavers, and convicted Republicans. Like there's really no need for it at this stage. Some clubs changed their names during the Troubles, so could change it back. Do think it would make a difference to those middle ground.

And you shouldn't have to compromise to accommodate anyone. But people need to come to the realisation themselves if they don't want to be so insular and exclusionary, or at least the GAA need to see the problem and set standards for it. The GAA has been progressive in teh past, just something else it should look

So who will be doing the looking, and who will make the final decision in whether a name is offensive?

The clubs themselves and their members?

The GAA executive?

The local community?

I've said it before to you earlier in teh thread, they need to come to the decision themselves. They need education and informed discussion, and if needed led by the GAA if they issue standards. But they need to have those discussions. You know the ones I'm talking about too...

And who will provide these peasants with the needed education to help the reach an informed decision?

(FWIW one of the clubs in question had a PHD candidate come in and give a talk on the life of the person their club is named for. Apart from club members no one else showed up iirc)

Quote from: whitey on November 19, 2021, 01:03:45 PM

And who will provide these peasants with the needed education to help the reach an informed decision?

(FWIW one of the clubs in question had a PHD candidate come in and give a talk on the life of the person their club is named for. Apart from club members no one else showed up iirc)

The GAA needs to provide help in their standards and such. If anyone wants to discuss it, they should help guide and such. Same way as there are guidelines in how to run an AGM, election of officers etc. They could do this is they so wanted. And your last sentence makes my point. It won't work if they have head in the sand, they need to engage. I'm not sure how to do this, but I'm sure there's smarter people than you or I who would know how to set up a system to go through and look at this that will bring in engagement

Quote from: Dreadnought on November 19, 2021, 01:10:54 PM

Quote from: whitey on November 19, 2021, 01:03:45 PM

And who will provide these peasants with the needed education to help the reach an informed decision?

(FWIW one of the clubs in question had a PHD candidate come in and give a talk on the life of the person their club is named for. Apart from club members no one else showed up iirc)

The GAA needs to provide help in their standards and such. If anyone wants to discuss it, they should help guide and such. Same way as there are guidelines in how to run an AGM, election of officers etc. They could do this is they so wanted. And your last sentence makes my point. It won't work if they have head in the sand, they need to engage. I'm not sure how to do this, but I'm sure there's smarter people than you or I who would know how to set up a system to go through and look at this that will bring in engagement

They widely advertised the talk throughout the community and no one from outside the club showed up. How does that prove your point

Dreadnought and GiveItToTheShooters getting close to feuding territory.

Knock it off, or bans for both.  Do not engage each other at all.