I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
North Korea steps up war of words
North Korea today vowed to take further "self-defence" measures if provoked by the UN Security Council, which is discussing how to punish the regime for its nuclear test.
Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry also said in a statement the country will not recognise any Security Council resolutions unless the council first apologises for criticising Pyongyang's rocket launch last month.
"It will be inevitable for us to take further self-defence measures" if the council provokes the North, the statement said.
Tensions have been running high after the North conducted its second nuclear test and missile launches this week, rising further today as Chinese fishing boats pulled away from its coast, possibly to avoid skirmishes between the Koreas.
The North has been strident since its test – which it has also called a self-defensive measure. It did not specify what further action it was considering in response to UN resolutions, nor what it would consider a provocation.
Fears have increased of military skirmishes, particularly in disputed waters off the western coast, after North Korea conducted the nuclear test on Monday and then renounced the truce keeping peace between the Koreas since 1953.
The waters were the site of two deadly clashes in 1999 and 2002.
From Yeonpyeong, the South Korean island closest to the North, about a dozen Chinese ships could be seen pulling out of port in the North and heading elsewhere. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that more than 280 Chinese vessels were fishing in the area earlier this week, but the number has dropped to about 140.
It was not clear if the Chinese vessels, in the area for the crabbing season, were told by the North to leave or if they were leaving on their own for fear of clashes at sea.
South Korean and US troops facing North Korea raised their surveillance on Thursday to its highest level since 2006, when North Korea tested its first nuclear device. About 28,000 American troops are stationed across the South.
North Korea, whose 1.2-million strong military is one of the world's largest, says it is merely preparing to defend itself against what it says are plans by the US to launch a pre-emptive strike to overthrow its communist government.
The US has repeatedly denied any intention to attack North Korea.
In Washington, the Army's top officer, Gen George Casey, expressed confidence that the US could fight a conventional war against North Korea if necessary, despite continuing conflicts elsewhere.
But US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates said the situation is not a crisis and no additional US troops will be sent to the region.
Gates, en route to Singapore for regional defence talks, tried to lower the temperature.
"I don't think that anybody in the (Obama) administration thinks there is a crisis," Gates told reporters aboard his military jet early today.
Meanwhile, talks at the United Nations Security Council over possible sanctions for the nuclear test were moving forward slowly.
Russia's UN ambassador said there was wide agreement among key world powers on what a new UN resolution should include, but said putting the elements together will take time because the issues are "complicated".
A list of proposals was sent on Wednesday to the five permanent veto-wielding council members – the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France – and the two countries most closely affected by the nuclear test, Japan and South Korea.
Diplomats said a draft of the proposed resolution is not expected to be circulated until next week.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-steps-up-war-of-words-412786.html#ixzz0Gu3OsGMT&B
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North Korea test-fires short-range missile
29/05/2009 - 12:00:42
North Korea test-fired another short-range missile off its east coast today.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency did not provide any details about the reported launch.
The launch would be the sixth short-range missile North Korea has test fired since its nuclear test on Monday.
Officials could not immediately confirm the report.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
I'd be for nuking them
I really wanted to start this thread, so I could get to use my headline. Is Kim Jong-ill ?
the thing with kim is that he is that mad insane he would nuke south korea and suffer the conseqences to his own country with the nuclear fall out.
Surely no one is suggesting the big bad US of A take the job on under the guise of the UN?
This eejit is an absolue nut job, I am hoping one of his own generals takes him out by the root as soon as possible.
Whatever they have to do to rid the world of this nutter is fine by me.
Kim is a friggin nutjob, the man is a cross between Elvis and Stalin. He builds up his armament supply instead of helping to feed his country men. If he educated the civilians in his country the economic results would be incredible, they could be the new India.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 29, 2009, 10:02:33 PM
It's much more likely that China and/or Russia will be taking matters into their own hands if Kim-Jong Ill starts acting the prat, and I'm sure even he is not stupid enough to try and piss off the USA, Russia and China at the same time.
China are staying too quiet.
They dont want to ruffle feathers on a number of fronts. Firstly they export a lot to North Korea, including oil as far as im aware. Also, bordering Korea they dont want to instigate or seem threatening.
Is Kim doing it all for attention, so the world will sit up and listen and perhaps give more recognition?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 29, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 29, 2009, 10:02:33 PM
It's much more likely that China and/or Russia will be taking matters into their own hands if Kim-Jong Ill starts acting the prat, and I'm sure even he is not stupid enough to try and piss off the USA, Russia and China at the same time.
China are staying too quiet.
They dont want to ruffle feathers on a number of fronts. Firstly they export a lot to North Korea, including oil as far as im aware. Also, bordering Korea they dont want to instigate or seem threatening.
Is Kim doing it all for attention, so the world will sit up and listen and perhaps give more recognition?
China and North Korea would be fairly close all right, China would be the biggest source importer for North Korea, however the economies of South Korea and Japan each are more valuable to China than North Korea - if North Korea's actions were to start affecting this, I'd expect China to be giving Kim-Jong Ill an ultimatum.
If China where to invade they probably would occupy North Korea short term, then land grap large chunks near there own border then pull out of a Chineese puppet state to their south or let it rejoin South Korea with Chineese Naval rights.
Reports: NKorea prepares long-range missile launch
AP
By JAE-SOON CHANG, Associated Press Writer Jae-soon Chang, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago
SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea has transported its most advanced missile, believed to be capable of reaching Alaska, to a launch site on its west coast near China, news reports said Monday.
The reclusive communist country was also reportedly bolstering it defenses and conducting amphibious assault exercises along its western shore, near disputed waters where deadly naval clashes with the South have occurred in the past.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency said the missile had been sent by train to the newly completed missile facility of Dongchang-ni, about 40 miles (60 kilometers) from the Chinese border.
Yonhap, quoting government sources, said the missile could be ready to launch in a week or two. South Korean media have speculated that the North wants to time the launch for around June 16, when South Korean President Lee Myung-bak has a summit in Washington with President Barack Obama.
With the launch, Pyongyang could also thumb its nose at U.N. Security Council attempts to rein it in after last week's nuclear test and a series of short-range missile launches.
U.S Defense Secretary Robert Gates, speaking at a news conference in the Philippines, said North Korea appears to be working on a long-range missile but it's not clear yet what they plan to do with it.
Lee, hosting a conference of Southeast Asian leaders on the southern island of Jeju, warned the North against any provocation.
"If North Korea turns its back on dialogue and peace and dares to carry out military threats and provocations, the Republic of Korea will never tolerate that," Lee said in his regular radio address. "I want to make clear that there won't be any compromise on things that threaten our nation's security."
Adding to tensions this week, the trial starts Thursday in Pyongyang of two American journalists, Laura Ling and Euna Lee, accused of entering the country illegally and engaging in "hostile acts."
North Korea faced strong international criticism after its last long-range missile launch, on April 5. The North said the launch was of a rocket intended to put a satellite in orbit. That modified version of the Taepodong-2 rocket flew about 2,000 miles (3,200 kilometers), crossing over Japan before crashing into the Pacific Ocean.
In late April, the North threatened to conduct nuclear and long-range missile tests unless the Security Council apologized for criticizing the launch. On Friday, it threatened to take a further "self-defense" measure if the Security Council provokes it. That threat was seen as referring to an ICBM test.
In another sign that a new launch is in the works, the North has designated a large area off its west coast as a "no-sail" zone through the end of next month, the Chosun Ilbo newspaper said, citing unidentified intelligence officials.
Yonhap said North Korean troops conducted amphibious assault maneuvers along with west coast. Other media carried similar reports. South Korean defense and intelligence officials refused to comment.
On Yeonpyeong island, one of South Korea's northernmost islands near North Korea, South Korean naval boats and a warship were patrolling waters around the disputed western sea border, but no incidents were reported.
The area is rich in fish, and May and June are the crab-catching season, meaning the waters are generally crowded with commercial ships.
Experts said the missile preparations were especially significant because the North has never launched a long-range missile from the northwestern base.
Kim Tae-woo, vice president of Seoul's state-run Korea Institute for Defense Analyses, said he thinks the North chose the site because of its proximity to China, making it more risky for the U.S. to strike.
The missile being prepared for launch is believed to be an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of up to 4,000 miles (6,500 kilometers), the JoongAng Ilbo newspaper reported, citing an unnamed South Korean official.
That would put Alaska within striking range.
On Monday, the North said again that it is being provoked by South Korea and the United States, saying that the number of spy planes operating in its airspace has risen dramatically.
"The U.S. imperialists and the South Korean puppets perpetrated at least 200 cases of aerial espionage against the DPRK in May, or 30 cases more than those in the same month of last year," it said in a report in its official Korean Central News Agency.
The DPRK is an abbreviation of North Korea's official name.
The North's missile and nuclear programs have been considered a top regional security concern, though the regime is not yet believed to have mastered the technology to make a nuclear warhead small enough to mount on a missile.
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Associated Press writers Siyoung Lee and Young-joon Ahn on Yeonpyeong island and Lara Jakes in Manila, Philippines contributed to this report.
Kim was great in Team America, I loved the way he wasn't afriad to take the piss out of himself
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Lads, lads, pleeeeeeeez. Before you all get sucked in by the pro-US propaganda, can I seriously suggest you actually start off by reading about the background to the current situation.
You will find that Uncle Sam was the main instigator of the actual situation. Period. I am not, for one minute backing Kim Jong-Il...far from it having known many Koreans during my time in Japan; but you must try to understand the role played by The US and Japan. Neither of them are by any means the innocent party, in fact they have been very much proven to be the devisive factors post-1966 especially.
And the chances of the north attacking the south of the country (note the all-encompassing language) are very, very, very...(ad infinitum)... slim.
I highly recommend you start off with "Target North Korea" by Aus journalist, Gavan McCormack.
North Korea 'poised to test advanced missile'
North Korea appears to be preparing to test an advanced missile designed to reach the United States, a US official said, ratcheting up tensions after its second nuclear blast.
Media reports said the North Korean leader's youngest son has been picked to be the next leader.
The reclusive communist country also reportedly bolstered its defences and conducted amphibious assault exercises along its western shore, near disputed waters where deadly naval clashes with the South have occurred in the past decade.
Satellite images and other intelligence indicated the North had transported its most advanced long-range missile to the new Dongchang-ni facility near China and it could be ready to be fired in the next week or so, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.
A US official confirmed the Yonhap report and said the missile was moved by train, although he did not comment on where it was moved to, and said it could be more than a week before Pyongyang was ready to launch.
Today, Seoul's Chosun Ilbo newspaper reported that the North could have manufactured up to four long-range missiles through the end of last year. That means the regime could fire more missiles after the one being readied for a launch.
Also today, South Korean media reported that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's youngest son, Jong Un, has been picked to be the reclusive nation's next leader.
The decision came after the nuclear test and North Korean diplomats have been instructed to respect the decision, the Hankook Ilbo and Dong-a Ilbo reported.
Little is known about the 26-year-old man. He studied at the International School of Berne in Switzerland until 1998, learning to speak English, German and French, the Swiss weekly news magazine L'Hebdo reported in March, citing classmates and school officials.
The reports about the possible leadership succession come amid growing tensions stoked by the nuclear and missile tests.
The latest activity at the launch site came as the United Nations Security Council mulled punitive action for North Korea's May 25 nuclear test, and ahead of a June 16 summit in Washington between South Korean President Lee Myung-bak and President Barack Obama.
US Ambassador Susan Rice reported yesterday that key powers are making progress on a new UN resolution that will almost certainly expand sanctions against North Korea for conducting a second nuclear test in defiance of the Security Council.
Complicating the situation further, a trial was set to begin on Thursday in Pyongyang of two American journalists, Laura Ling and Euna Lee, accused of entering the country illegally and engaging in "hostile acts".
The missile being prepared for launch was believed to be an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of up to 4,000 miles, the JoongAng Ilbo newspaper reported.
That distance would put Alaska and US bases on the Pacific island of Guam - along with all of Japan – within striking range.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-poised-to-test-advanced-missile-413164.html#ixzz0HGSO5l9n&B
From Time Magazine
Could North Korea Provoke a New Korean War?
By Mark Thompson / Washington Wednesday, Jun. 10, 2009
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2009/0906/noko_us_0609.jpg)
US soldiers take part in a joint military drill with South Korean soldiers at a location north of Seoul in early June.
To fear a new Korean war is historically inaccurate, because, in fact, the last one never ended: The world's most dangerous border, across which some 2 million North Korean, U.S. and South Korean troops face each other along the 38th Parallel of the Korean Peninsula is, in fact, simply an armistice line. On July 27, 1953, the U.S. and North Korea signed a truce pausing, but not ending, a war that claimed more than 2 million lives, including those of 36,940 U.S. troops. And the North's recent nuclear and missile saber-rattling has many growing nervous about the potential for a resumption of hostilities.
North Korea, in fact, announced on May 27 that it was withdrawing from the armistice. It declared it could no longer guarantee the safety of ships sailing through the Yellow Sea off its western coast, and would no longer respect the legal status of several islands off South Korea's coast. It also vowed to attack South Korea if North Korean vessels suspected of smuggling nuclear and missile components are stopped and searched by a U.S.-led U.N. naval armada — a proposal currently under discussion. (See pictures of North Koreans at the polls.)
U.S. officials are concerned that political instability inside the Pyongyang regime may raise the danger of confrontation. "Dear Leader" Kim Jong Il has been weakened by a stroke suffered late last year; his 26-year old heir apparent is not yet ready to take the reins; and the North Korean military is eager to maintain its preeminence in the coming political succession. "Any time you have a combination of this behavior of doing provocative things in order to excite a response — plus succession questions — you have a potentially dangerous mixture," said U.S. Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair on Monday. (See pictures of North Koreans at the polls)
Despite the rising tensions, however, a number of factors militate against a new chapter being opened in the Korean War. South Korea, backed by the U.S., doesn't want war, because the North has some 13,000 artillery tubes aimed at Seoul and the more than 10 million South Koreans living within 30 miles of the DMZ. North Korea, backed by China, doesn't want war because if it comes, it all but guarantees the collapse of Kim's regime, which is also the family business. (See pictures of the rise of Kim Jong-il)
Washington has made clear that it wants to solve this latest flare-up via diplomatic channels. "Our focus is now — and has been and likely will continue to be — on coming up with diplomatic and economic pressures that will persuade the North to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons and the platforms to deliver them," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said June 8. And if that fails? "We all need to be prudent about our planning for defensive measures." That suggests neither Washington nor Seoul is going to take preemptive military action.
The immediate priority of the U.S. and its allies is to prevent North Korea from spreading its nuclear know-how around the world. And their own lever is China's influence over the hermit regime. "There's a view that if you want to get the Chinese to act on North Korea, you need to signal a willingness to take military action," Scott Snyder, a Korean expert with the Council on Foreign Relations, said last week. "But at the same time, how do you do that —especially in conjunction with allies — without the Chinese feeling that you're trying to manipulate them tactically?"
China's role will be key, according to Larry Wortzel, who served two tours as a U.S. Army military attache in Beijing. "China will not let North Korea collapse," he was told by several top People Liberation Army officials during the Clinton Administration, according to his account in the latest issue of the U.S. Army journal Parameters. Beijing will help Pyongyang survive any sanctions. "There are limits to what the United States and its allies can do," he warns, "unless they want a complete break with, or to invite conflict with, China." China's motives are two-fold: keep North Korean refugees from flooding across the border, as well as to keep a U.S. ally from emerging on China's doorstep.
If it came to war, however, a key goal of any large North Korean attack would be to launch as many shells and rockets towards Seoul from its artillery tubes and launchers, many self-propelled or on railcars. The goal of U.S. and South Korean forces would be to destroy that artillery capability before too many rounds could be launched. While North Korea would build any attack around its 1.2 million-strong army, the U.S. and South Korea would rely more on their air and naval forces.
The Pentagon has largely refrained from saber-rattling, and is not planning to reinforce the 28,000 U.S. troops now in South Korea, or the 35,000 stationed in Japan. When pressed, U.S. military leaders concede that even their defensive plans will be tougher to implement given the fact that they currently have roughly 175,000 troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. "There would have to be a level of ad hoc conglomeration of forces," General James Conway, the Marine commandant, told a Senate panel June 2. "But in the end, I am convinced we would prevail."
According to reports Kim Jong Un fed his naked uncle to 120 starving dogs in a cage.
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
According to reports Kim Jong Un fed his naked uncle to 120 starving dogs in a cage.
Why 120? Most of them wouldn't get a morsel. File under 'dubious'.
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
According to reports Kim Jong Un fed his naked uncle to 120 starving dogs in a cage.
By whom exactly?? ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 03, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
According to reports Kim Jong Un fed his naked uncle to 120 starving dogs in a cage.
By whom exactly?? ::)
no need for the raising of the eyes surely...the man is a complete lunatic. Would it surprise if he has indeed done this?
Quote from: J OGorman on January 03, 2014, 10:40:22 AM
no need for the raising of the eyes surely...the man is a complete lunatic. Would it surprise if he has indeed done this?
No, but there seems to be no report from North Korea to verify this happened:
QuoteThe official North Korean account on Dec. 12 did not specify how Jang was put to death. (//http://)
Why perform such a pointed execution and then tell no-one about it?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 03, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
According to reports Kim Jong Un fed his naked uncle to 120 starving dogs in a cage.
By whom exactly?? ::)
http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2014, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 03, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
According to reports Kim Jong Un fed his naked uncle to 120 starving dogs in a cage.
By whom exactly?? ::)
http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224
China's "official mouthpiece". I wouldn't believe it if it reported that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
Looks like Minder has an inside line to Pyongyang. Interesting.
Why has this not been posted yet?
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/fun107.com/files/2013/04/kim-jong-un-meme-e1365295475770.jpg)
"These rumors start with unnamed and unverified sources in the South Korean media and, for the most part, they're not true (and impossible to prove)," Chad O'Carroll of North Korean-watching website NK News told Business Insider. "They usually turn out to be wrong a few months later by which point no one has noticed and everyone has forgotten the story anyway."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/did-kim-jong-un-execute-his-ex-girlfriend-2013-8#ixzz2pKsQHVQV
Independent experts warn that rumours and deliberate misinformation about the regime are rife, partly because it is impossible to verify or disprove most stories about the tightly controlled country's elite.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/23/north-korea-reptile-media-kim-jongun
Quote from: LeoMc on January 03, 2014, 11:57:17 AM
"These rumors start with unnamed and unverified sources in the South Korean media and, for the most part, they're not true (and impossible to prove)," Chad O'Carroll of North Korean-watching website NK News told Business Insider. "They usually turn out to be wrong a few months later by which point no one has noticed and everyone has forgotten the story anyway."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/did-kim-jong-un-execute-his-ex-girlfriend-2013-8#ixzz2pKsQHVQV
Independent experts warn that rumours and deliberate misinformation about the regime are rife, partly because it is impossible to verify or disprove most stories about the tightly controlled country's elite.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/23/north-korea-reptile-media-kim-jongun
Useful links, thanks.
Sick, if true.
What's a "war mongler"? I normally take these stories with a pinch of salt unless they come from somewhere like NK News. It suits the western powers to portray leaders like this as complete nut jobs. He may well be, but like deiseach I'd be filing this under dubious. More likely a bullet behind the ear I'd say.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 03, 2014, 12:49:42 PM
What's a "war mongler"? I normally take these stories with a pinch of salt unless they come from somewhere like NK News. It suits the western powers to portray leaders like this as complete nut jobs. He may well be, but like deiseach I'd be filing this under dubious. More likely a bullet behind the ear I'd say.
To be fair, doing it on the first place makes him a complete nut job before we get to any Quentin Tarintino style kills.
Reading the hysterical coverage of this on the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533088/How-Kim-Jong-Un-killed-scum-uncle-Dictator-stripped-naked-thrown-cage-eaten-alive-pack-dogs.html), I'm now certain this story is a crock. You can just imagine the mandarin who came up with this having a quiet chuckle. Who can save us from the Pol Pot of Pyongyang? Why, it's those level-headed people in Beijing who just happen to be propping up his regime!
They must have been watching the film where the white slave trader feeds the black slave to the hounds and decided it was a good story so put it out there and sure they'll all believe it. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, it's got people talking.
Quote from: Aerlik on June 02, 2009, 07:51:03 AM
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Lads, lads, pleeeeeeeez. Before you all get sucked in by the pro-US propaganda, can I seriously suggest you actually start off by reading about the background to the current situation.
You will find that Uncle Sam was the main instigator of the actual situation. Period. I am not, for one minute backing Kim Jong-Il...far from it having known many Koreans during my time in Japan; but you must try to understand the role played by The US and Japan. Neither of them are by any means the innocent party, in fact they have been very much proven to be the devisive factors post-1966 especially.
And the chances of the north attacking the south of the country (note the all-encompassing language) are very, very, very...(ad infinitum)... slim.
I highly recommend you start off with "Target North Korea" by Aus journalist, Gavan McCormack.
I highly recommend you catch yourself on and instead of batin the US again you actually look at what these cnuts have been doing to their people, starving them to death or near to it to send 99% of the countries wealth to it's military, sending bombs targeting Hawaii every fourth of July and what about the World Cup when the coach was told to use the invisible phone they had developed with their leader on the other end!
Their leader is a madman from a family of madmen, the Chinese are the ones who should rein this cnut in and the US are not going to do much with China sitting there, as for the UN............................... Useless cnuts.
I get the US bashing but for fcuk sake, have some perspective and tell us what you think should be done about this animal and who should interfere and oust him to save his people!!!
Quote from: stew on January 05, 2014, 12:29:10 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on June 02, 2009, 07:51:03 AM
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Lads, lads, pleeeeeeeez. Before you all get sucked in by the pro-US propaganda, can I seriously suggest you actually start off by reading about the background to the current situation.
You will find that Uncle Sam was the main instigator of the actual situation. Period. I am not, for one minute backing Kim Jong-Il...far from it having known many Koreans during my time in Japan; but you must try to understand the role played by The US and Japan. Neither of them are by any means the innocent party, in fact they have been very much proven to be the devisive factors post-1966 especially.
And the chances of the north attacking the south of the country (note the all-encompassing language) are very, very, very...(ad infinitum)... slim.
I highly recommend you start off with "Target North Korea" by Aus journalist, Gavan McCormack.
I highly recommend you catch yourself on and instead of batin the US again you actually look at what these cnuts have been doing to their people, starving them to death or near to it to send 99% of the countries wealth to it's military, sending bombs targeting Hawaii every fourth of July and what about the World Cup when the coach was told to use the invisible phone they had developed with their leader on the other end!
Their leader is a madman from a family of madmen, the Chinese are the ones who should rein this cnut in and the US are not going to do much with China sitting there, as for the UN............................... Useless cnuts.
I get the US bashing but for fcuk sake, have some perspective and tell us what you think should be done about this animal and who should interfere and oust him to save his people!!!
Bit of a late tackle there, stew.
Quote from: stew on January 05, 2014, 12:29:10 AM
Quote from: Aerlik on June 02, 2009, 07:51:03 AM
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Lads, lads, pleeeeeeeez. Before you all get sucked in by the pro-US propaganda, can I seriously suggest you actually start off by reading about the background to the current situation.
You will find that Uncle Sam was the main instigator of the actual situation. Period. I am not, for one minute backing Kim Jong-Il...far from it having known many Koreans during my time in Japan; but you must try to understand the role played by The US and Japan. Neither of them are by any means the innocent party, in fact they have been very much proven to be the devisive factors post-1966 especially.
And the chances of the north attacking the south of the country (note the all-encompassing language) are very, very, very...(ad infinitum)... slim.
I highly recommend you start off with "Target North Korea" by Aus journalist, Gavan McCormack.
I highly recommend you catch yourself on and instead of batin the US again you actually look at what these cnuts have been doing to their people, starving them to death or near to it to send 99% of the countries wealth to it's military, sending bombs targeting Hawaii every fourth of July and what about the World Cup when the coach was told to use the invisible phone they had developed with their leader on the other end!
Their leader is a madman from a family of madmen, the Chinese are the ones who should rein this cnut in and the US are not going to do much with China sitting there, as for the UN............................... Useless cnuts.
I get the US bashing but for fcuk sake, have some perspective and tell us what you think should be done about this animal and who should interfere and oust him to save his people!!!
Yeah,
cause the ordinary Iraqi's, Afghans and Libyans are now living in Utopia after western intervention........
There may be truth that this lad and his Da were nuts, evil, and dangerous people, but we in the west are fed a very different line if they are good enough to do deals with the western powers that be, sure look how Cameron was cosying up to the Chinese for business and turning a blind eye to their human rights records.
Our leaders are hyprocrites of the highest order, but then again we like our cheap food, clothing, oil and electronic goods, so in reality we're the hypocrites.
Quote from: deiseach on January 03, 2014, 05:14:54 PM
Reading the hysterical coverage of this on the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533088/How-Kim-Jong-Un-killed-scum-uncle-Dictator-stripped-naked-thrown-cage-eaten-alive-pack-dogs.html), I'm now certain this story is a crock. You can just imagine the mandarin who came up with this having a quiet chuckle. Who can save us from the Pol Pot of Pyongyang? Why, it's those level-headed people in Beijing who just happen to be propping up his regime!
And when the actual source is investigated it is an anonymous blogger pretending to be a slightly less anonymous blogger. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-25621324
This is how to do it. Forget your county board votes and pretending that the outgoing manager
has enough support before he's shafted.
http://www.northkoreatech.org/2013/12/13/full-text-of-kcna-announcement-on-execution-of-jang/
Traitor Jang Song Thaek Executed
"Pyongyang, December 13 (KCNA) — Upon hearing the report on the enlarged meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea, the service personnel and people throughout the country broke into angry shouts that a stern judgment of the revolution should be meted out to the anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional elements. Against the backdrop of these shouts rocking the country, a special military tribunal of the DPRK Ministry of State Security was held on December 12 against traitor for all ages Jang Song Thaek.
The accused Jang brought together undesirable forces and formed a faction as the boss of a modern day factional group for a long time and thus committed such hideous crime as attempting to overthrow the state by all sorts of intrigues and despicable methods with a wild ambition to grab the supreme power of our party and state.
The tribunal examined Jang's crimes.
All the crimes committed by the accused were proved in the course of hearing and were admitted by him.
A decision of the special military tribunal of the Ministry of State Security of the DPRK was read out at the trial.
Every sentence of the decision served as sledge-hammer blow brought down by our angry service personnel and people on the head of Jang, an anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional element and despicable political careerist and trickster.
The accused is a traitor to the nation for all ages who perpetrated anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts in a bid to overthrow the leadership of our party and state and the socialist system.
Jang was appointed to responsible posts of the party and state thanks to the deep political trust of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il and received benevolence from them more than any others from long ago.
He held higher posts than before and received deeper trust from supreme leader Kim Jong Un, in particular.
The political trust and benevolence shown by the peerlessly great men of Mt. Paektu were something he hardly deserved.
It is an elementary obligation of a human being to repay trust with sense of obligation and benevolence with loyalty.
However, despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery in betrayal of such profound trust and warmest paternal love shown by the party and the leader for him.
From long ago, Jang had a dirty political ambition. He dared not raise his head when Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il were alive. But, reading their faces, Jang had an axe to grind and involved himself in double-dealing. He began revealing his true colors, thinking that it was just the time for him to realize his wild ambition in the period of historic turn when the generation of the revolution was replaced.
Jang committed such an unpardonable thrice-cursed treason as overtly and covertly standing in the way of settling the issue of succession to the leadership with an axe to grind when a very important issue was under discussion to hold respected Kim Jong Un in high esteem as the only successor to Kim Jong Il in reflection of the unanimous desire and will of the entire party and army and all people.
When his cunning move proved futile and the decision that Kim Jong Un was elected vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party of Korea at the Third Conference of the WPK in reflection of the unanimous will of all party members, service personnel and people was proclaimed, making all participants break into enthusiastic cheers that shook the conference hall, he behaved so arrogantly and insolently as unwillingly standing up from his seat and half-heartedly clapping, touching off towering resentment of our service personnel and people.
Jang confessed that he behaved so at that time as a knee-jerk reaction as he thought that if Kim Jong Un's base and system for leading the army were consolidated, this would lay a stumbling block in the way of grabbing the power of the party and state.
When Kim Jong Il passed away so suddenly and untimely to our sorrow, he began working in real earnest to realize its long-cherished greed for power.
Abusing the honor of often accompanying Kim Jong Un during his field guidance, Jang tried hard to create illusion about him by projecting himself internally and externally as a special being on a par with the headquarters of the revolution.
In a bid to rally a group of reactionaries to be used by him for toppling the leadership of the party and state, he let the undesirable and alien elements including those who had been dismissed and relieved of their posts after being severely punished for disobeying the instructions of Kim Jong Il and kowtowing to him work in a department of the Central Committee of the WPK and organs under it in a crafty manner.
Jang did serious harm to the youth movement in our country, being part of the group of renegades and traitors in the field of youth work bribed by enemies. Even after they were disclosed and purged by the resolute measure of the party, he patronized those cat's paws and let them hold important posts of the party and state. (more)
He had let Ri Ryong Ha, flatterer, work with him since the 1980s whenever he was transferred to other posts and systematically promoted Ri up to the post of first vice department director of the Party Central Committee though he had been purged for his factional act of denying the unitary leadership of the party. Jang thus made Ri his trusted stooge.
Jang let his confidants and flatterers who had been fired for causing an important case of denying the unitary leadership of the party work in his department and organs under it in a crafty manner in a few years. He systematically rallied ex-convicts, those problematic in their past careers and discontented elements around him and ruled over them as sacred and inviolable being.
He worked hard to put all affairs of the country under his control, massively increasing the staff of his department and organs under it, and stretch his tentacles to ministries and national institutions. He converted his department into a "little kingdom" which no one dares touch.
He was so imprudent as to prevent the Taedonggang Tile Factory from erecting a mosaic depicting Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il and a monument to field guidance given by them. Moreover, Jang turned down the unanimous request of the service personnel of a unit of the Korean People's Internal Security Forces to have the autograph letter sent by Kim Jong Un to the unit carved on a natural granite and erected with good care in front of the building of its command. He was so reckless as to instruct the unit to erect it in a shaded corner.
He committed such anti-party acts as systematically denying the party line and policies, its organizational will, in the past period. These acts were a revelation of deliberate and sinister attempt to create extreme illusion and idolization of him by making him appear as a special being who can overrule either issues decided by the party or its line.
He went so rude as to take in the middle even those things associated with intense loyalty and sincerity of our army and people towards the party and the leader and distribute them among his confidants in an effort to take credit upon himself for doing so. This behavior was to create illusion about him.
Due to his persistent moves to create illusion and idolization of him his flatterers and followers in his department and organs under it praised him as "No. 1 comrade." They went the lengths of denying even the party's instructions to please him at any cost.
Jang established such a heterogenous work system in the department and the relevant organs as considering what he said as more important than the party's policies. Consequently, his trusted henchmen and followers made no scruple of perpetrating such counterrevolutionary act as disobeying the order of the Supreme Commander of the KPA.
The revolutionary army will never pardon all those who disobey the order of the Supreme Commander and there will be no place for them to be buried even after their death.
Dreaming a fantastic dream to become premier at an initial stage to grab the supreme power of the party and state, Jang made his department put major economic fields of the country under its control in a bid to disable the Cabinet. In this way he schemed to drive the economy of the country and people's living into an uncontrollable catastrophe.
He put inspection and supervision organs belonging to the Cabinet under his control in defiance of the new state machinery established by Kim Jong Il at the First Session of the Tenth Supreme People's Assembly. He put all issues related to all structural works handled by the Cabinet under his control and had the final say on them, making it impossible for the Cabinet to properly perform its function and role as an economic command. They included the issues of setting up and disorganizing committees, ministries and national institutions and provincial, city and county-level organs, organizing units for foreign trade and earning foreign money and structures overseas and fixing living allowances.
When he attempted to make a false report to the party without having agreement with the Cabinet and the relevant ministry on the issue related to the state construction control organization, officials concerned expressed just opinion that his behavior was contrary to the construction law worked out by Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. Hearing this, he made the reckless remark that "the rewriting of the construction law would solve the problem."
Abusing his authority, he undermined the work system related to the construction of the capital city established by Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il, reducing the construction building-materials bases to such bad shape little short of debris in a few years. He weakened the ranks of technicians and skilled workers at the unit for the construction of the capital city in a crafty manner and transferred major construction units to his confidants so that they might make money. In this way he deliberately disturbed the construction in Pyongyang.
He instructed his stooges to sell coal and other precious underground resources at random. Consequently, his confidants were saddled with huge debts, deceived by brokers. Jang made no scruple of committing such act of treachery in May last as selling off the land of the Rason economic and trade zone to a foreign country for a period of five decades under the pretext of paying those debts.
It was none other than Jang who wirepulled behind scene Pak Nam Gi, traitor for all ages, to recklessly issue hundreds of billions of won in 2009, sparking off serious economic chaos and disturbing the people's mind-set.
Jang encouraged money-making under various pretexts to secure funds necessary for gratifying his political greed and was engrossed in irregularities and corruption. He thus took the lead in spreading indolent, careless and undisciplined virus in our society.
After collecting precious metals since the construction of Kwangbok Street in the 1980s, he set up a secret organ under his control and took a fabulous amount of funds from a bank and purchased precious metals in disregard of the state law. He thus committed such anti-state criminal acts as creating a great confusion in financial management system of the state.
He let the decadent capitalist lifestyle find its way to our society by distributing all sorts of pornographic pictures among his confidants since 2009. He led a dissolute, depraved life, squandering money wherever he went.
He took at least 4.6 million Euro from his secret coffers and squandered it in 2009 alone and enjoyed himself in casino in a foreign country. These facts alone clearly show how corrupt and degenerate he was.
Jang was so reckless with his greed for power that he persistently worked to stretch his tentacles even to the People's Army with a foolish calculation that he would succeed in staging a coup if he mobilized the army.
He fully revealed his despicable true colors as a traitor for all ages in the course of questioning by uttering as follows: "I attempted to trigger off discontent among service personnel and people when the present regime does not take any measure despite the fact that the economy of the country and people's living are driven into catastrophe. Comrade supreme leader is the target of the coup."
As regards the means and methods for staging the coup, Jang said: "I was going to stage the coup by using army officers who had close ties with me or by mobilizing armed forces under the control of my confidants. I don't know well about recently appointed army officers but have some acquaintances with those appointed in the past period. I thought the army might join in the coup if the living of the people and service personnel further deteriorate in the future. And I calculated that my confidants in my department including Ri Ryong Ha and Jang Su Gil would surely follow me and had a plan to use the one in charge of the people's security organ as my confidant. It was my calculation that I might use several others besides them."
Asked about the timing of the coup and his plan to do after staging the coup, Jang answered: "I didn't fix the definite time for the coup. But it was my intention to concentrate my department and all economic organs on the Cabinet and become premier when the economy goes totally bankrupt and the state is on the verge of collapse in a certain period. I thought that if I solve the problem of people's living at a certain level by spending an enormous amount of funds I have accumulated under various names after becoming premier, the people and service personnel will shout "hurrah" for me and I will succeed in the coup in a smooth way."
Jang dreamed such a foolish dream that once he seizes power by a base method, his despicable true colors as "reformist" known to the outside world would help his "new government" get "recognized" by foreign countries in a short span of time.
All facts go to clearly prove that Jang is a thrice-cursed traitor without an equal in the world as he had desperately worked for years to destabilize and bring down the DPRK and grab the supreme power of the party and state by employing all the most cunning and sinister means and methods, pursuant to the "strategic patience" policy and "waiting strategy" of the U.S. and the south Korean puppet group of traitors.
The hateful and despicable nature of the anti-party, anti-state and unpopular crimes committed by Jang was fully disclosed in the course of the trial conducted at the special military tribunal of the DPRK Ministry of State Security.
The era and history will eternally record and never forget the shuddering crimes committed by Jang Song Thaek, the enemy of the party, revolution and people and heinous traitor to the nation.
No matter how much water flows under the bridge and no matter how frequently a generation is replaced by new one, the lineage of Paektu will remain unchanged and irreplaceable.
Our party, state, army and people do not know anyone except Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un.
Our service personnel and people will never pardon all those who dare disobey the unitary leadership of Kim Jong Un, challenge his absolute authority and oppose the lineage of Paektu to an individual but bring them to the stern court of history without fail and mercilessly punish them on behalf of the party and revolution, the country and its people, no matter where they are in hiding.
The special military tribunal of the Ministry of State Security of the DPRK confirmed that the state subversion attempted by the accused Jang with an aim to overthrow the people's power of the DPRK by ideologically aligning himself with enemies is a crime punishable by Article 60 of the DPRK Criminal Code, vehemently condemned him as a wicked political careerist, trickster and traitor for all ages in the name of the revolution and the people and ruled that he would be sentenced to death according to it.
The decision was immediately executed. -0-"
There are certainly echoes of Eamon Dunphy's post Trappatoni rants , especially the references to "people who love Irish football".
Tame by Meath county board standards.
There, the ousted manager gets fed to the wolves, piece by piece for days before the meeting and what's left is thrown into the slurry pit after the meeting
Stew,
I am not US-Batin' or any other "batin'" for that matter! I was referring to his father, Jong-Il Kim, too, by the way. And what is happening in NK is no different to the belligerence shown in Syria, South Sudan etc by the "free, democratic West."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/world/asia/north-korea-dennis-rodman/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/world/asia/north-korea-dennis-rodman/)
Scary that Dennis Rodman is our current direct line to North Korea.
Quote from: Puckoon on January 07, 2014, 05:32:09 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/world/asia/north-korea-dennis-rodman/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/world/asia/north-korea-dennis-rodman/)
Scary that Dennis Rodman is our current direct line to North Korea.
Matt Copper's out there with "The Worm" doing a documentary on the game. If he introduces Kim to gaelic football we can send Cake out to Korea to fix this whole problem.
http://news.sky.com/story/1201849/kim-jong-un-shoots-dead-his-uncles-family
Reports now of a lot of killings in the family, hard to know how credible it is.
Does anyone think he will actually do something crazy, such as attack South Korea or fire a nuke off?
https://www.ft.com/content/ffdd9c08-9167-11e7-bdfa-eda243196c2c
The confusing signals from the White House increase the dangers of miscalculation, not just in Pyongyang, but in Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo. With the North Korean threat mounting, the normal reaction for South Korea would be to move in lockstep with its American protector. But if the government of Moon Jae-in concludes the biggest danger is not that North Korea will attack but that Mr Trump will stage a pre-emptive strike, then the South's incentives change. At that point, it might become rational to break publicly with Washington. The Chinese government faces a similarly complex set of calculations. Mr Trump has repeatedly tried to persuade Beijing to exert more economic pressure on North Korea, threatening that the US will take unilateral military action if China fails to force Mr Kim into line. China has sought to placate Mr Trump by toughening sanctions on Pyongyang. But the Chinese also have to consider how Mr Kim might react if he is forced into a corner. The risk that the North Korean leader will use nuclear weapons first will surely rise if he is faced with the prospect of the collapse of his own regime — and his own certain death. These risks would be difficult to manage even with rational, experienced leaders in power. But the key decision makers are a 71-year-old businessman with a volcanic temper and no relevant experience, and a 33-year-old dictator, surrounded by frightened sycophants.
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 10:03:16 AM
https://www.ft.com/content/ffdd9c08-9167-11e7-bdfa-eda243196c2c
The confusing signals from the White House increase the dangers of miscalculation, not just in Pyongyang, but in Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo. With the North Korean threat mounting, the normal reaction for South Korea would be to move in lockstep with its American protector. But if the government of Moon Jae-in concludes the biggest danger is not that North Korea will attack but that Mr Trump will stage a pre-emptive strike, then the South's incentives change. At that point, it might become rational to break publicly with Washington. The Chinese government faces a similarly complex set of calculations. Mr Trump has repeatedly tried to persuade Beijing to exert more economic pressure on North Korea, threatening that the US will take unilateral military action if China fails to force Mr Kim into line. China has sought to placate Mr Trump by toughening sanctions on Pyongyang. But the Chinese also have to consider how Mr Kim might react if he is forced into a corner. The risk that the North Korean leader will use nuclear weapons first will surely rise if he is faced with the prospect of the collapse of his own regime — and his own certain death. These risks would be difficult to manage even with rational, experienced leaders in power. But the key decision makers are a 71-year-old businessman with a volcanic temper and no relevant experience, and a 33-year-old dictator, surrounded by frightened sycophants.
The key here is that this whole situation has come to a head because the North Koreans leader thinks that he can bully the world into giving him money, oil and other sanctions if he suspends his nuclear program..........................Until the next time.
Diplomacy has failed under both liberal and republican presidents, the Chinese are the key here, they could simply imprison the wee leader and run the place for a while until they get their shit together otherwise Trump will go in and all hell breaks loose.
Now I know there are plenty of Trump haters out there, if he attacks N Korea it will be to protect Japan and Guam and S Korea, it will also be to protect the US and at this juncture he would be well within his rights to attack N Korea given their actions since February of this year.
I hold out hope that somebody in N Korea will have the balls to take his leader out, but it is a fading hope, the Chinese are useless so that leaves Trump! Jesus wept.
I don't think the Chinese would allow Trump go in unilaterally. If he does, there'll be consequences in Beijing.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
I don't think the Chinese would allow Trump go in unilaterally. If he does, there'll be consequences in Beijing.
That is my worst fear, and that is why the Chinese are the key to the whole shebang, they could quash this wee madman and keep the yanks out of their part of the world or they can bury their heads and watch the carnage as it enfolds until they get pissed enough to hit the yanks, then we are all fooked!
Trump, Kim and Stew .... now that would be some diplomatic meeting ;D
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 15, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
Trump, Kim and Stew .... now that would be some diplomatic meeting ;D
LOLOLOL Well I think you could safely say the world as we know it would cease to exist, I am most assuredly unfit for the diplomatic core.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
I don't think the Chinese would allow Trump go in unilaterally. If he does, there'll be consequences in Beijing.
I think the Chinese have already said as much. The US cannot make a pre-emptive nuclear strike without falling out with China.
The NK military is too large to make a conventional war palatable. I read somewhere that it would take 2 days of constant bombardment just to take out the NK missile batteries on the border. Seoul would be decimated in the re-loading time.
The Chinese still see NK as a buffer between them and the US-centric SK but unfortunately are saddled with an unstable puppet.
Increased sanctions will not work as KJI would let his people starve to feed the military and blame the west.
The Chinese proposal, similar to the NK proposal is that the US and SK back off on their war games on the border. NK which is technically still at war, sees these as aggressive and cover for the planned recommencement of hostilities.
Quote from: LeoMc on September 15, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
I don't think the Chinese would allow Trump go in unilaterally. If he does, there'll be consequences in Beijing.
I think the Chinese have already said as much. The US cannot make a pre-emptive nuclear strike without falling out with China.
The NK military is too large to make a conventional war palatable. I read somewhere that it would take 2 days of constant bombardment just to take out the NK missile batteries on the border. Seoul would be decimated in the re-loading time.
The Chinese still see NK as a buffer between them and the US-centric SK but unfortunately are saddled with an unstable puppet.
Increased sanctions will not work as KJI would let his people starve to feed the military and blame the west.
The Chinese proposal, similar to the NK proposal is that the US and SK back off on their war games on the border. NK which is technically still at war, sees these as aggressive and cover for the planned recommencement of hostilities.
In other words, the yanks need to back off, as do the south Koreans and the north concede nothing? Is that it? That is not going to work.
Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 15, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
I don't think the Chinese would allow Trump go in unilaterally. If he does, there'll be consequences in Beijing.
I think the Chinese have already said as much. The US cannot make a pre-emptive nuclear strike without falling out with China.
The NK military is too large to make a conventional war palatable. I read somewhere that it would take 2 days of constant bombardment just to take out the NK missile batteries on the border. Seoul would be decimated in the re-loading time.
The Chinese still see NK as a buffer between them and the US-centric SK but unfortunately are saddled with an unstable puppet.
Increased sanctions will not work as KJI would let his people starve to feed the military and blame the west.
The Chinese proposal, similar to the NK proposal is that the US and SK back off on their war games on the border. NK which is technically still at war, sees these as aggressive and cover for the planned recommencement of hostilities.
In other words, the yanks need to back off, as do the south Koreans and the north concede nothing? Is that it? That is not going to work.
No. The proposal was the US & SK back off. NK suspend their nuclear development.
It reminds me of a Loyalist/ republican feud in Belfast during the troubles. Mad dog McKim is terrorising the Shankill / the Falls again. The RUC can do nothing.
Mad Dog Adair died young
So did Mad dog McGlinchey
Here's some historical context to the issue, giving the North Korean rationale, going back to the Korean war:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.cdda99c0eb01 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.cdda99c0eb01)
And here's some stuff on the annual war games that the US holds, which apparently involve a "decapitation unit" for taking out the North Korean leader.
http://epaper.bostonglobe.com/BostonGlobe/article_popover.aspx?guid=4f38ec2c-f2a6-407f-84be-4e2921d2298b&source=next (http://epaper.bostonglobe.com/BostonGlobe/article_popover.aspx?guid=4f38ec2c-f2a6-407f-84be-4e2921d2298b&source=next)
Quote from: hardstation on September 15, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 12:20:36 PM
It reminds me of a Loyalist/ republican feud in Belfast during the troubles. Mad dog McKim is terrorising the Shankill / the Falls again. The RUC can do nothing.
Mad Dog Adair died young
So did Mad dog McGlinchey
Apart from your post being entirely WTF, I would just like to point out that Mad Dog Adair is still alive.
:)
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 15, 2017, 03:00:50 PM
Here's some historical context to the issue, giving the North Korean rationale, going back to the Korean war:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.cdda99c0eb01 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.cdda99c0eb01)
And here's some stuff on the annual war games that the US holds, which apparently involve a "decapitation unit" for taking out the North Korean leader.
I have been reading about this, I read that the decapitation crowd were South Koreans.
http://epaper.bostonglobe.com/BostonGlobe/article_popover.aspx?guid=4f38ec2c-f2a6-407f-84be-4e2921d2298b&source=next (http://epaper.bostonglobe.com/BostonGlobe/article_popover.aspx?guid=4f38ec2c-f2a6-407f-84be-4e2921d2298b&source=next)
Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 15, 2017, 03:00:50 PM
Here's some historical context to the issue, giving the North Korean rationale, going back to the Korean war:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.cdda99c0eb01 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.cdda99c0eb01)
And here's some stuff on the annual war games that the US holds, which apparently involve a "decapitation unit" for taking out the North Korean leader.
I have been reading about this, I read that the decapitation crowd were South Koreans.
http://epaper.bostonglobe.com/BostonGlobe/article_popover.aspx?guid=4f38ec2c-f2a6-407f-84be-4e2921d2298b&source=next (http://epaper.bostonglobe.com/BostonGlobe/article_popover.aspx?guid=4f38ec2c-f2a6-407f-84be-4e2921d2298b&source=next)
You're right. The US do annual wargames, but the so called decapitation squad is S.Korean.
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
Id say that Kim Jong thingy is perfectly sane.
Acquiring a nuclear arsenal is a perfectly sensible thing to do in the interest of staving off regime toppling invasions and in the medium term it will give him added diplomatic clout.
The irony of course is that he had protection anyway considering his border with Russia and China but with a thermonuclear device on the head of a ICBM in his weaponry he is causing more than a diplomatic stir which will lead him open to a (ahem) quiet regime change from "within".
I'm seriously suspicious about his speed of attaining all this technology tho. There is obiviously assistance ,just a question of is it orchestrated by China or even Russia to cause instability.
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2017, 08:40:32 AM
Id say that Kim Jong thingy is perfectly sane.
Acquiring a nuclear arsenal is a perfectly sensible thing to do in the interest of staving off regime toppling invasions and in the medium term it will give him added diplomatic clout.
The irony of course is that he had protection anyway considering his border with Russia and China but with a thermonuclear device on the head of a ICBM in his weaponry he is causing more than a diplomatic stir which will lead him open to a (ahem) quiet regime change from "within".
I'm seriously suspicious about his speed of attaining all this technology tho. There is obiviously assistance ,just a question of is it orchestrated by China or even Russia to cause instability.
If they (particularly China) want nuke missiles in North Korea they'd just put them there. If they didn't want them there they'd stop any progression towards the North Koreans doing it themselves.
The US were planting missiles in locations around the world in 1962 and Russia were doing the same (funny it's remembered as the Cuban Missile Crisis).
That's 55 years ago.
There's nothing new or preventable here.
Whilst I'm no fan, I can see where Kim is coming from. It would seem pretty simple really. In countries where the US doesn't like the leader and where there was no nuclear capability the US either directly or indirectly facilitated regime change. In those that have nukes - Iran and NK they haven't. Putin intervened in Iran and its his rhetoric that's saving things here too.
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2017, 08:40:32 AM
Id say that Kim Jong thingy is perfectly sane.
Acquiring a nuclear arsenal is a perfectly sensible thing to do in the interest of staving off regime toppling invasions and in the medium term it will give him added diplomatic clout.
The irony of course is that he had protection anyway considering his border with Russia and China but with a thermonuclear device on the head of a ICBM in his weaponry he is causing more than a diplomatic stir which will lead him open to a (ahem) quiet regime change from "within".
I'm seriously suspicious about his speed of attaining all this technology tho. There is obiviously assistance ,just a question of is it orchestrated by China or even Russia to cause instability.
Id say you are completely an utterly wrong Joe, but that's me!
Any leader who starves his people, who denies them basic human rights and any leader who spends over 90% of his nations budget on the military is a complete and utter wing nut! The man is trying to push the world to the edge of nuclear war and of he f**k with that other lunaticto the west his country will get flattened beyond repair, hows that for sanity Joe?
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2017, 08:40:32 AM
Id say that Kim Jong thingy is perfectly sane.
Acquiring a nuclear arsenal is a perfectly sensible thing to do in the interest of staving off regime toppling invasions and in the medium term it will give him added diplomatic clout.
The irony of course is that he had protection anyway considering his border with Russia and China but with a thermonuclear device on the head of a ICBM in his weaponry he is causing more than a diplomatic stir which will lead him open to a (ahem) quiet regime change from "within".
I'm seriously suspicious about his speed of attaining all this technology tho. There is obiviously assistance ,just a question of is it orchestrated by China or even Russia to cause instability.
Id say you are completely an utterly wrong Joe, but that's me!
Any leader who starves his people, who denies them basic human rights and any leader who spends over 90% of his nations budget on the military is a complete and utter wing nut! The man is trying to push the world to the edge of nuclear war and of he f**k with that other lunaticto the west his country will get flattened beyond repair, hows that for sanity Joe?
He can be both stew.
His brutality and callousness with respect to his own people (and family!) don't negate the strategic soundness of raising the potential costs of foreign intervention against his regime to utterly ruinous.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
That's what this is all about lil sid, un postures, the world gets rattled and they throw money and oil and food at him to make him back off for five minutes.
There lil sid, fixed that for you kid.
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
That's what this is all about lil sid, un postures, the world gets rattled and they throw money and oil and food at him to make him for for five minutes.
"To make him "for" for five minutes"?
Is this a new verb you have invented?
How would you "for"?
And how have the Oxford English Dictionary people not headhunted you yet?
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
That's what this is all about lil sid, un postures, the world gets rattled and they throw money and oil and food at him to make him for for five minutes.
"To make him "for" for five minutes"?
Is this a new verb you have invented?
How would you "for"?
And how have the Oxford English Dictionary people not headhunted you yet?
Fixed that for you wee pet.
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
That's what this is all about lil sid, un postures, the world gets rattled and they throw money and oil and food at him to make him for for five minutes.
"To make him "for" for five minutes"?
Is this a new verb you have invented?
How would you "for"?
And how have the Oxford English Dictionary people not headhunted you yet?
Fixed that for you wee pet.
The definition of insanity, is, doing the exact same f**king thing over and over again, expecting shit to change.
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
That's what this is all about lil sid, un postures, the world gets rattled and they throw money and oil and food at him to make him for for five minutes.
"To make him "for" for five minutes"?
Is this a new verb you have invented?
How would you "for"?
And how have the Oxford English Dictionary people not headhunted you yet?
Fixed that for you wee pet.
That sounds a bit gay, mate.
And I know you hate sounding gay.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
That's what this is all about lil sid, un postures, the world gets rattled and they throw money and oil and food at him to make him for for five minutes.
"To make him "for" for five minutes"?
Is this a new verb you have invented?
How would you "for"?
And how have the Oxford English Dictionary people not headhunted you yet?
Fixed that for you wee pet.
That sounds a bit gay, mate.
And I know you hate sounding gay.
Are you implying I hate gays?
I do not hate gays, one of my best friends on this planet is gay, try again dear. )
Now, in what other form can you make he a racist/sexist?
Trump had a good go at the Koreans ;D
This all seems so familiar.
Hitler 1930s
Bush 2003
tr**p 2017
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2017, 08:40:32 AM
Id say that Kim Jong thingy is perfectly sane.
Acquiring a nuclear arsenal is a perfectly sensible thing to do in the interest of staving off regime toppling invasions and in the medium term it will give him added diplomatic clout.
The irony of course is that he had protection anyway considering his border with Russia and China but with a thermonuclear device on the head of a ICBM in his weaponry he is causing more than a diplomatic stir which will lead him open to a (ahem) quiet regime change from "within".
I'm seriously suspicious about his speed of attaining all this technology tho. There is obiviously assistance ,just a question of is it orchestrated by China or even Russia to cause instability.
What's seldom is beautiful - completely agree Joe. And the irony is that America's actions in dealing with dictators they "suspected" of acquiring WMDs (Saddam) and those dictators who had actually given up their nuclear ambitions (Gadaffi) actually made other dictators speed up their weapon programmes and have increased proliferation. Why not try and get nukes if the alternative is the end of a rope or being killed on camera by the side of a road? Kim Jong Un's only insurance policy with the outside world is to have them and threaten to use them.
It also throws Trump's words re Iran at the UN in stark relief. Why would they not renege on the deal and try and acquire nukes if they are being threatened when they are fulfilling their side of it - as certified by all participant nations, including the US??!! It is simple self interest, but it will lead to three way Iranian/Saudi/Israeli arms race. That is some trifecta.
I'd be sceptical of the military might of the NK regime - undoubtedly their conventional forces are huge, but so were Iraq's during the first Gulf War and they were already in Kuwait City. Though I would hate to see it happen, it would be interesting to compare the reaction of an NK army which has not been under severe bombardment since the 50s with the collapse of an Iraqi army which was battle hardened after 8 years fighting Iran. Undoubtedly Seoul would be in peril, but I would not be surprised at large scale desertions in the initial stages of any conflict.
Obviously, I hope to whatever God is listening that this does not have to be tested.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 16, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 16, 2017, 08:03:13 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on May 29, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I have been following this one for a while. So far they have tested 2 atomic bombs and this is the seventh missile test.
Extremely aggressive behaviour and they look to be on the brink of an attack against South Korea.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/north-korea-testfires-shortrange-missile-412804.html#ixzz0Gu3ArILR&B
Where did they test these atomic bombs?
On page 4 of this thread.
The title of this thread is just another indication of how we repeat what we hear and why intervention will be easier when the time comes.
Without knowing anything and there being no solid information regarding North Korea's intention or capability we accept it's a crisis (a crisis we must end) because it's what some PR guy decided we should call it that.
North Korea Crisis........the North Korea Crisis.......the North Korea Crisis........and so on.
You'd nearly think that somebody stands to benefit from a "crisis"...
It obviously won't be Lockhead Martin, Bechtel or Haliburton....
Afterwards, Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom said in a BBC interview "It was the wrong speech, at the wrong time, to the wrong audience". Also "by the wrong man".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleep_of_Reason_Produces_Monsters
Cant Understand why Russia or China aint concerned with this Loony saying there right on his doorstep, hes lucky its the Japan of today and not 70-80 years back who were very aggressive and expansion orientated , first missile over Japan and it would been an outright invasion, though they had took over korea before WW2 i think.
This thread is the most depressing thing I've seen in months.
People chastening a leader for starving his own people to death whilst in the same sentence gleefully advocating nuclear holocaust against the same people.
Kim is pulling off a masterstroke (at the behest of the Chinese who trump so hastily offended) just like putin before him. Western leaders are preoccupied by spin and the aesthetics of their actions this past 10 years. Meanwhile the Russians unilateral action have annexed Crimea and stemmed the tide against Assad in Syria. Russia has de facto won the last two proxy wars and the Chinese/n Korean axis looks to replicate this by calling the us bluff in the Far East. The us will not intervene so long as the Koreans missiles kill no-one. All this military action and so on is pure shitetalk as the Koreans know and are now showing to the world.
So for the sake of a few missiles the Chinese/Koreans get to make the potus look foolish (a favourite n. Korean pastime) and further pushes the precedents of what they can get away with to new levels. They are in essence "bombing their way to the negogiating table" and such is the weak handed nature of western diplomacy of late they will succeed.
For f**ks sake please stop wailing like old women about how this contravenes traditional international diplomacy as if the whole world are beholden to the values of the New York Times. The east see a divided west ruled by a idiot and are pressing home their advantage by all means necessary, fair f**ks to them I say. Believe bullshit and vote for an idiot then you deserve to get fucked, America.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2017, 08:04:05 PM
Cant Understand why Russia or China aint concerned with this Loony saying there right on his doorstep, hes lucky its the Japan of today and not 70-80 years back who were very aggressive and expansion orientated , first missile over Japan and it would been an outright invasion, though they had took over korea before WW2 i think.
Missiles and armed flyovers into other Countries space happens all the time.
ye need to test your weapons.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 21, 2017, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2017, 08:04:05 PM
Cant Understand why Russia or China aint concerned with this Loony saying there right on his doorstep, hes lucky its the Japan of today and not 70-80 years back who were very aggressive and expansion orientated , first missile over Japan and it would been an outright invasion, though they had took over korea before WW2 i think.
Missiles and armed flyovers into other Countries space happens all the time.
ye need to test your weapons.
Ye do so ye do! I am expecting Trump to test his in the heart of North Korea if their fuckhead of a leader does not wise up and start feeding his people instead of feeding his lust for war!
Diplomacy does not work with this lunatic, I hope tp God I am wrong but unless this w**ker gets taken out by the root we are looking at, at best, war with N Korea, at worst, Nuclear war! That scares the shit out of me.
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
Ye do so ye do! I am expecting Trump to test his in the heart of North Korea if their fuckhead of a leader does not wise up and start feeding his people instead of feeding his lust for war!
Diplomacy does not work with this lunatic, I hope tp God I am wrong but unless this w**ker gets taken out by the root we are looking at, at best, war with N Korea, at worst, Nuclear war! That scares the shit out of me.
So you were cheering on the UN speech like Benjamin Netanyahu while every other representative in the world were shaking their heads in disbelief?
You expect Trump to launch missiles into the heart of Notrh Korea yet you are concerned for the North Korean people (a point made earlier by trileacman).
The only people who have tried diplomacy with North Korea are China and Russia and elements of pre Tump US administrations. They don't seem to have a problem. While the USA are putting sanctions on North Korea they are also complaining about starving people. These two things are directly related.
Perhaps you have forgotten where war brinsg a place. One example, Iraq. Mad leader who uses chemical weapons on his own people and has weapons of mass destruction capable of hitting the UK in 24 hours. All lies. Not mistakes, lies.
No good has happened in Iraq in 15 years and there's no sign of relief.
I've major concerns about North Korea but it is not in anyones interest to allow the USA led by Trump to deal with this problem. All the recent concerns about North Korea where there before Trump. It's been going on for decades. Trump is not facing a new problem, he's just dealing with an old on in a different way.
What scares you is information from unreliable sources. It's ok to be afraid about that but it's not ok to launch a missile into North Korea on that basis.
The world is fucked, 6 billion people run by a few hundred - push the button wipe everyone out - give the earth time to heal and let nature recover it for creatures other than mankind. Mankind don't deserve this planet - blow the f**k out if, lets all go together. :)
Quote from: vallankumous on September 21, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
Ye do so ye do! I am expecting Trump to test his in the heart of North Korea if their fuckhead of a leader does not wise up and start feeding his people instead of feeding his lust for war!
Diplomacy does not work with this lunatic, I hope tp God I am wrong but unless this w**ker gets taken out by the root we are looking at, at best, war with N Korea, at worst, Nuclear war! That scares the shit out of me.
So you were cheering on the UN speech like Benjamin Netanyahu while every other representative in the world were shaking their heads in disbelief?
You expect Trump to launch missiles into the heart of Notrh Korea yet you are concerned for the North Korean people (a point made earlier by trileacman).
The only people who have tried diplomacy with North Korea are China and Russia and elements of pre Tump US administrations. They don't seem to have a problem. While the USA are putting sanctions on North Korea they are also complaining about starving people. These two things are directly related.
Perhaps you have forgotten where war brinsg a place. One example, Iraq. Mad leader who uses chemical weapons on his own people and has weapons of mass destruction capable of hitting the UK in 24 hours. All lies. Not mistakes, lies.
No good has happened in Iraq in 15 years and there's no sign of relief.
I've major concerns about North Korea but it is not in anyones interest to allow the USA led by Trump to deal with this problem. All the recent concerns about North Korea where there before Trump. It's been going on for decades. Trump is not facing a new problem, he's just dealing with an old on in a different way.
What scares you is information from unreliable sources. It's ok to be afraid about that but it's not ok to launch a missile into North Korea on that basis.
Excellent post.
Quote from: trileacman on September 21, 2017, 01:09:54 AM
This thread is the most depressing thing I've seen in months.
People chastening a leader for starving his own people to death whilst in the same sentence gleefully advocating nuclear holocaust against the same people.
Kim is pulling off a masterstroke (at the behest of the Chinese who trump so hastily offended) just like putin before him. Western leaders are preoccupied by spin and the aesthetics of their actions this past 10 years. Meanwhile the Russians unilateral action have annexed Crimea and stemmed the tide against Assad in Syria. Russia has de facto won the last two proxy wars and the Chinese/n Korean axis looks to replicate this by calling the us bluff in the Far East. The us will not intervene so long as the Koreans missiles kill no-one. All this military action and so on is pure shitetalk as the Koreans know and are now showing to the world.
So for the sake of a few missiles the Chinese/Koreans get to make the potus look foolish (a favourite n. Korean pastime) and further pushes the precedents of what they can get away with to new levels. They are in essence "bombing their way to the negogiating table" and such is the weak handed nature of western diplomacy of late they will succeed.
For f**ks sake please stop wailing like old women about how this contravenes traditional international diplomacy as if the whole world are beholden to the values of the New York Times. The east see a divided west ruled by a idiot and are pressing home their advantage by all means necessary, fair f**ks to them I say. Believe bullshit and vote for an idiot then you deserve to get fucked, America.
+1
China & Russia are playing the long game looking to the South China sea, the Caucuses & possibly the Baltic states.
Trump will not interfere with their Island building so long as they are telling him that can handle KJI.
While Putin sorts out Syria (leaving Assad in place) Trump will not interfere with his "sorting out" other "militant muslims" in Daqestan, South Ossetia, perhaps even Abkhazia to get a better grip on the black sea.
Quote from: LeoMc on September 21, 2017, 12:37:30 PM
+1
China & Russia are playing the long game looking to the South China sea, the Caucuses & possibly the Baltic states.
Trump will not interfere with their Island building so long as they are telling him that can handle KJI.
While Putin sorts out Syria (leaving Assad in place) Trump will not interfere with his "sorting out" other "militant muslims" in Daqestan, South Ossetia, perhaps even Abkhazia to get a better grip on the black sea.
Nobody cares about the South China sea least of all the US.
Quote from: seafoid on January 06, 2014, 05:28:11 PM
This is how to do it. Forget your county board votes and pretending that the outgoing manager
has enough support before he's shafted.
http://www.northkoreatech.org/2013/12/13/full-text-of-kcna-announcement-on-execution-of-jang/
Traitor Jang Song Thaek Executed
Why would you post this? It's from a British Journalist based in the US who's website was blocked in Seoul for being a load of bollix.
It's not a translation it's only purpose is to hit every English language stereotype possible like a 99p paperback novel
Why is it so bad for North Korea to have nuclear weapons anyway?
Quote from: vallankumous on September 21, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 21, 2017, 12:37:30 PM
+1
China & Russia are playing the long game looking to the South China sea, the Caucuses & possibly the Baltic states.
Trump will not interfere with their Island building so long as they are telling him that can handle KJI.
While Putin sorts out Syria (leaving Assad in place) Trump will not interfere with his "sorting out" other "militant muslims" in Daqestan, South Ossetia, perhaps even Abkhazia to get a better grip on the black sea.
Nobody cares about the South China sea least of all the US.
I don't know if Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam would agree and it is not that long from the US was sending warships through it to discourage the Chinese efforts at claiming them.
Quote from: LeoMc on September 21, 2017, 02:52:23 PM
I don't know if Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam would agree and it is not that long from the US was sending warships through it to discourage the Chinese efforts at claiming them.
Yes, but like I said, who cares.
They sent a war ship near it. Someone claimed it was to discourage the dispute but in real terms that makes no sense. China occupy the area with war ships. The only expected result from sending a US war ship near the area is to provoke/provide a reason for China to increase their occupation in construction and military presence without being seen as an agressor. Those other interested nations gained nothing. They might have been told this is token show of support but in truth it provided those weaker nations with nothing but a stronger Chinese presence.
Ive no doubt the Chinese knew about this move long before it happened and were kept up to date throughout. Much like I've no doubt the Japanese knew North Korea were going to be testing a missile and where the test would take place.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 21, 2017, 02:47:32 PM
Why is it so bad for North Korea to have nuclear weapons anyway?
They're just not allowed. Can't be trusted. The only ones who can be trusted are the only ones to have actually used them. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Always heard the saying that all wars are bankers wars. Any country that has its own banking system is seen as a threat to the US dollar. Look at Germany, Iraq, Libya, Syria who had all their own banking system which America ended up going to war with. North Korea has their own banking system which doesn't suit the globalist agenda. The end game here is a one world bank with a one world government.
It doesn't matter who is president of the US. Trump is only a puppet, the deep government never changes its narrative. JFK warned us a bout it and he payed with his life.
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on September 21, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Always heard the saying that all wars are bankers wars. Any country that has its own banking system is seen as a threat to the US dollar. Look at Germany, Iraq, Libya, Syria who had all their own banking system which America ended up going to war with. North Korea has their own banking system which doesn't suit the globalist agenda. The end game here is a one world bank with a one world government.
It doesn't matter who is president of the US. Trump is only a puppet, the deep government never changes its narrative. JFK warned us a bout it and he payed with his life.
f**k you are up there with Fearon and trueblue - is it the Illuminati. ::)
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on September 21, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Always heard the saying that all wars are bankers wars. Any country that has its own banking system is seen as a threat to the US dollar. Look at Germany, Iraq, Libya, Syria who had all their own banking system which America ended up going to war with. North Korea has their own banking system which doesn't suit the globalist agenda. The end game here is a one world bank with a one world government.
It doesn't matter who is president of the US. Trump is only a puppet, the deep government never changes its narrative. JFK warned us a bout it and he payed with his life.
Do you have shares in Reynolds Wrap?
Quote from: punt kick on September 21, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on September 21, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Always heard the saying that all wars are bankers wars. Any country that has its own banking system is seen as a threat to the US dollar. Look at Germany, Iraq, Libya, Syria who had all their own banking system which America ended up going to war with. North Korea has their own banking system which doesn't suit the globalist agenda. The end game here is a one world bank with a one world government.
It doesn't matter who is president of the US. Trump is only a puppet, the deep government never changes its narrative. JFK warned us a bout it and he payed with his life.
f**k you are up there with Fearon and trueblue - is it the Illuminati. ::)
Lol keep fighting those internet battles!! ;D
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 21, 2017, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: punt kick on September 21, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on September 21, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Always heard the saying that all wars are bankers wars. Any country that has its own banking system is seen as a threat to the US dollar. Look at Germany, Iraq, Libya, Syria who had all their own banking system which America ended up going to war with. North Korea has their own banking system which doesn't suit the globalist agenda. The end game here is a one world bank with a one world government.
It doesn't matter who is president of the US. Trump is only a puppet, the deep government never changes its narrative. JFK warned us a bout it and he payed with his life.
f**k you are up there with Fearon and trueblue - is it the Illuminati. ::)
Lol keep fighting those internet battles!! ;D
No worries trueblue BEng BEng BEng BEng BEng
That's it, one internet battle at a time. Punt Kick, the hero of anonymous posters worldwide. ;D
Keep reaching out - most pathetic modern day job - if you are on 1 quid an hour it is 99.99p too much - ballbag of a job, a 2 year old could swipe and click.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 21, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
Ye do so ye do! I am expecting Trump to test his in the heart of North Korea if their fuckhead of a leader does not wise up and start feeding his people instead of feeding his lust for war!
Diplomacy does not work with this lunatic, I hope tp God I am wrong but unless this w**ker gets taken out by the root we are looking at, at best, war with N Korea, at worst, Nuclear war! That scares the shit out of me.
So you were cheering on the UN speech like Benjamin Netanyahu while every other representative in the world were shaking their heads in disbelief?
You expect Trump to launch missiles into the heart of Notrh Korea yet you are concerned for the North Korean people (a point made earlier by trileacman).
The only people who have tried diplomacy with North Korea are China and Russia and elements of pre Tump US administrations. They don't seem to have a problem. While the USA are putting sanctions on North Korea they are also complaining about starving people. These two things are directly related.
Perhaps you have forgotten where war brinsg a place. One example, Iraq. Mad leader who uses chemical weapons on his own people and has weapons of mass destruction capable of hitting the UK in 24 hours. All lies. Not mistakes, lies.
No good has happened in Iraq in 15 years and there's no sign of relief.
I've major concerns about North Korea but it is not in anyones interest to allow the USA led by Trump to deal with this problem. All the recent concerns about North Korea where there before Trump. It's been going on for decades. Trump is not facing a new problem, he's just dealing with an old on in a different way.
What scares you is information from unreliable sources. It's ok to be afraid about that but it's not ok to launch a missile into North Korea on that basis.
I was not cheering on Trumps speech, I have never cheered on any Trump speech but I will back him when it comes to this mad bastard in NK.
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2017, 11:38:20 PM
I was not cheering on Trumps speech, I have never cheered on any Trump speech but I will back him when it comes to this mad b**tard in NK.
I don't understand? Is cheering the wrong word, would agreed be better?
Is there a limit to the action Trump might take that you can support?
Is Trump the good guy because Kim Jong-Un is the bad guy?
Is the PotUS automatically the person to deal with global injustice?
Quote from: vallankumous on September 22, 2017, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2017, 11:38:20 PM
I was not cheering on Trumps speech, I have never cheered on any Trump speech but I will back him when it comes to this mad b**tard in NK.
I don't understand? Is cheering the wrong word, would agreed be better?
No it would not be better, Trump is a loud mouth and is a very poor orator obviously. Does that answer your question?
Its funny when dealing with snowflakes, they never hold anyone else to the standards they hold Trump to, they tend to focus entirely on Trump and not the maggot that is behind the problems on the Korean peninsula, is Kim deranged or is he simply a very smart man playing the west for the fools they are???
Is there a limit to the action Trump might take that you can support?
If Un fires nukes then no there is not, I hope Trump takes this hateful government out by the root by any means possible, if they don't fire nukes I hope he takes Un out by the root, someone needs to.
Is Trump the good guy because Kim Jong-Un is the bad guy?
Is the PotUS automatically the person to deal with global injustice?
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Quote from: punt kick on September 21, 2017, 10:57:22 PM
Keep reaching out - most pathetic modern day job - if you are on 1 quid an hour it is 99.99p too much - ballbag of a job, a 2 year old could swipe and click.
lol Keep going Punt Kick. I know you have it in you!! Great stuff. ;D
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 22, 2017, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2017, 11:38:20 PM
I was not cheering on Trumps speech, I have never cheered on any Trump speech but I will back him when it comes to this mad b**tard in NK.
I don't understand? Is cheering the wrong word, would agreed be better?
No it would not be better, Trump is a loud mouth and is a very poor orator obviously. Does that answer your question?
Its funny when dealing with snowflakes, they never hold anyone else to the standards they hold Trump to, they tend to focus entirely on Trump and not the maggot that is behind the problems on the Korean peninsula, is Kim deranged or is he simply a very smart man playing the west for the fools they are???
Is there a limit to the action Trump might take that you can support?
If Un fires nukes then no there is not, I hope Trump takes this hateful government out by the root by any means possible, if they don't fire nukes I hope he takes Un out by the root, someone needs to.
Is Trump the good guy because Kim Jong-Un is the bad guy?
Is the PotUS automatically the person to deal with global injustice?
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
No Trump just threatened to basically wipe North Korea out. A quick check through history will tell you his country along with Britain have been responsible for invading and bombing (not firing a missile over I mean actual bombing) many more countries around the world than North Korea. Just because the media in the UK and America keep telling you its right doesn't mean it is.
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Nobody fired a bomb over japan. A little info is a very dangerous thing. You keep running down that rabbit hole after Trump.
The speech by Trump threatened NK, Iran and venezuela. Seems that's of no concern. Mad b**tard threatens US and Mad b**tard threatens Iran.
The UN are not the players here, it's the Independent Nations that are, as it was before and probably always will be.
You are making up arguments to argue against. I'm beating on the West? I only mentioned one Country in the West and it's leader. It gives some insight when you think the US are 'the west' when the rest of the west are shaking their head in disbelief.
no need for the snowflake stuff.
I could write a long list of mad stuff and rattle attacks of at Kim Jong Un. i've attacked that monster often. The difference is nobody defends him and so the post will sit with no interaction from other posters. It's only when I have a go at trump the debate continues.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 22, 2017, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Nobody fired a bomb over japan. A little info is a very dangerous thing. You keep running down that rabbit hole after Trump.
The speech by Trump threatened NK, Iran and venezuela. Seems that's of no concern. Mad b**tard threatens US and Mad b**tard threatens Iran.
The UN are not the players here, it's the Independent Nations that are, as it was before and probably always will be.
You are making up arguments to argue against. I'm beating on the West? I only mentioned one Country in the West and it's leader. It gives some insight when you think the US are 'the west' when the rest of the west are shaking their head in disbelief.
no need for the snowflake stuff.
+1. Well said.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 22, 2017, 10:03:22 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 22, 2017, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Nobody fired a bomb over japan. A little info is a very dangerous thing. You keep running down that rabbit hole after Trump.
The speech by Trump threatened NK, Iran and venezuela. Seems that's of no concern. Mad b**tard threatens US and Mad b**tard threatens Iran.
The UN are not the players here, it's the Independent Nations that are, as it was before and probably always will be.
You are making up arguments to argue against. I'm beating on the West? I only mentioned one Country in the West and it's leader. It gives some insight when you think the US are 'the west' when the rest of the west are shaking their head in disbelief.
no need for the snowflake stuff.
+1. Well said.
Agree
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 22, 2017, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 22, 2017, 10:03:22 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on September 22, 2017, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Quote from: stew on September 22, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Trump is not the one firing bombs over Japan, threatening Japan and the brits, not to mention the USA so yeah, in this case, the USA is the good guy with Trump the figurehead at the helm, Un is evel but hey snowflake, lets keep beating on the west and Trump in particular!
Nobody fired a bomb over japan. A little info is a very dangerous thing. You keep running down that rabbit hole after Trump.
The speech by Trump threatened NK, Iran and venezuela. Seems that's of no concern. Mad b**tard threatens US and Mad b**tard threatens Iran.
The UN are not the players here, it's the Independent Nations that are, as it was before and probably always will be.
You are making up arguments to argue against. I'm beating on the West? I only mentioned one Country in the West and it's leader. It gives some insight when you think the US are 'the west' when the rest of the west are shaking their head in disbelief.
no need for the snowflake stuff.
+1. Well said.
Agree
So do I.
Serve tr**p better to put manners on the rogue State of Israel.