China Coronavirus

[gallsman]

Cases per million is a  reasonable measure.

On what basis? That's not how viruses work. Say there's a 1,000 acre forest and a 1,000,000 acre forest and a fire starts in the South West corner of each. 100 acres are destroyed in each. That's 10% of the 1,000 acre forest but only 0.01% of the million acre one. The overall size of the forest is irrelevant when looking at how you're stopping the spread of the fire, it simply means the impact would be all the more catastrophic if you didn't act.

Insisting we look at port capita rates and deaths is simply away to pull the wool over stupid people's eyes, particularly in the US.

[LeoMc]

Are the countries including deaths in care homes ? I believe France are now

The UK is not. They state that their figure is hospital deaths only. If they have a similar % of Covid deaths outside hospitals, e.g.  nursing homes as Ireland, their true figure is really scary and they are running at 2000 per day. Even if that curve is flattened that is another 28000 people over the next 2 weeks.

[Will it ever end]

I think Ireland come in for some criticism around their figures & feel harshly so - as their by far the most detailed I've seen thus far

UK information is difficult or impossible to break out - I suppose cynicism leads you to question the extent of same as nursing homes figures raised above shows

[imtommygunn]

It's very hard to believe anything coming out of the UK media these days. Sure they wouldn't even say how many health workers had died.

[Will it ever end]

Do you think that's a case of them deliberately suppressing information or just not knowing the answer to the question. I'd view both as bad as each other ... in yesterday's briefing the chief of police was asked how many fines & said will give the information next week.

[Milltown Row2]

So is there separate stats for deaths in hospitals and Nursing homes? I take it there must be stats for people just dying in their homes who self isolated and possibly stats on homeless people who have died on the street or shelters?

What goes on the death certificate?

[lenny]

Do you think that's a case of them deliberately suppressing information or just not knowing the answer to the question. I'd view both as bad as each other ... in yesterday's briefing the chief of police was asked how many fines & said will give the information next week.

My opinion is they really don't care and they're not bothered about the stats. Their view is that 1-2% will be the mortality rate and they think this will be true for all countries. They also think around 60-80% of the population will be affected so the quicker it happens the better, all the while just trying to make sure the nhs is not overwhelmed. That way the economy gets up and running quicker. Some contrast to Germany, a country of similar size and population, where the government actually care about people. Johnson, Patel, Rabb and Hancock seem to be almost devoid of emotion and empathy at these press conferences and their attitude to the protection of nhs workers is completely shameful.

[Milltown Row2]

Do you think that's a case of them deliberately suppressing information or just not knowing the answer to the question. I'd view both as bad as each other ... in yesterday's briefing the chief of police was asked how many fines & said will give the information next week.

My opinion is they really don't care and they're not bothered about the stats. Their view is that 1-2% will be the mortality rate and they think this will be true for all countries. They also think around 60-80% of the population will be affected so the quicker it happens the better, all the while just trying to make sure the nhs is not overwhelmed. That way the economy gets up and running quicker. Some contrast to Germany, a country of similar size and population, where the government actually care about people. Johnson, Patel, Rabb and Hancock seem to be almost devoid of emotion and empathy at these press conferences and their attitude to the protection of nhs workers is completely shameful.

Nearly 20 million more people in Germany higher cases lesser deaths, richer economy I'd say to better health system?

[Rossfan]

Or people with cop on in Government?

[seafoid]

Herd immunity wasted time and increased the spread of the virus in the UK. Cheltenham was a joke.

Good analysis UK  vs Ireland here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259

The Germans are a few weeks ahead of the UK

[Milltown Row2]

Herd immunity wasted time and increased the spread of the virus in the UK. Cheltenham was a joke.

Good analysis UK  vs Ireland here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259

The Germans are a few weeks ahead of the UK

Another my dick is better than your dick chart!

[seafoid]

Herd immunity wasted time and increased the spread of the virus in the UK. Cheltenham was a joke.

Good analysis UK  vs Ireland here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259

The Germans are a few weeks ahead of the UK

Another my dick is better than your dick chart!

Not really
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@laineydoyle

As of Saturday 11 April, there have been 6.5 deaths per 100,000 people in Ireland. There have been 14.81 deaths per 100,000 people in the UK.

UK incl up there where youse are has a mortality rate roughly twice ours.

This is a big issue for Stormont.

[Will it ever end]

Thought it was a really good read & some perspective

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-uk-news-death-toll-boris-johnson-lockdown-extended/

Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, said it was possible the UK could end up with the worst coronavirus death rate in Europe.

"Numbers in the UK have continued to go up, and yes, the UK is likely to be certainly one of the worst, if not the worst affected country in Europe," he told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

[LeoMc]

Herd immunity wasted time and increased the spread of the virus in the UK. Cheltenham was a joke.

Good analysis UK  vs Ireland here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259

The Germans are a few weeks ahead of the UK

Another my dick is better than your dick chart!

Not really
"

@laineydoyle

As of Saturday 11 April, there have been 6.5 deaths per 100,000 people in Ireland. There have been 14.81 deaths per 100,000 people in the UK.

UK incl up there where youse are has a mortality rate roughly twice ours.

This is a big issue for Stormont.

And how does it fare out in terms of population density?
NI has a lower population than either GB or the Republic.