Brexit.

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seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on June 16, 2022, 12:29:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
Read an article this morning that the Tories won't go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..
Who is behind the DUP ? They are  more extremist than the ERG. Why? DUP voters totally ignored.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Main Street

Quote from: johnnycool on June 16, 2022, 12:29:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
Read an article this morning that the Tories won't go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..
The bill isn't supposed to be a solution to brexit issues, it's a red herring bill which will get liquefied, but for now  keeps the  EU conflict ongoing, placates ERG.  As it stands now he DUP are stuck between a rock and a hard place, staking their future on a Johnson promise.

TabClear

Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2022, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 16, 2022, 12:29:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 16, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
Read an article this morning that the Tories won't go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..
Who is behind the DUP ? They are  more extremist than the ERG. Why? DUP voters totally ignored.

Dont think Sir Jeffrey would want you to pull at that thread.......

red hander

Quote from: tiempo on June 16, 2022, 11:43:30 AM
In the Tory dream world England is the 51st state of the US with all the trapping of corruption and greed. The billionaires in control of the Tory party are no different to the Russian oligarchs, asset stripping anything they come into contact with is their MO, taking the wealth of a nation and pocketing it.

I think the EU for their part see this and are happy to let England f**k itself up, but it has a desire to save Scotland and Ireland from this and in all likelihood will work surreptitiously to enable independence/reunification in the medium to long term.

What the Tories/little Englanders don't quite grasp is the dislike for England/Britain the world over for their imperial past, the best part of every country the world over would love to stick it to Britain and in time the US EU etc might just do that. Very bleak times ahead for genuine working class and blue collar people in Britain as the country descends into a pound shop version of Trumps America. Those at the low end of the spectrum in terms of income including the underclass, and ethnic minority groups and LGBT+ will have it worse again.

Unfortunately, a lot of the working class and blue collar people voted for the blond buffoon. Talk about turkeys and Christmas.

seafoid

Quote from: red hander on June 16, 2022, 06:05:56 PM
Quote from: tiempo on June 16, 2022, 11:43:30 AM
In the Tory dream world England is the 51st state of the US with all the trapping of corruption and greed. The billionaires in control of the Tory party are no different to the Russian oligarchs, asset stripping anything they come into contact with is their MO, taking the wealth of a nation and pocketing it.

I think the EU for their part see this and are happy to let England f**k itself up, but it has a desire to save Scotland and Ireland from this and in all likelihood will work surreptitiously to enable independence/reunification in the medium to long term.

What the Tories/little Englanders don't quite grasp is the dislike for England/Britain the world over for their imperial past, the best part of every country the world over would love to stick it to Britain and in time the US EU etc might just do that. Very bleak times ahead for genuine working class and blue collar people in Britain as the country descends into a pound shop version of Trumps America. Those at the low end of the spectrum in terms of income including the underclass, and ethnic minority groups and LGBT+ will have it worse again.

Unfortunately, a lot of the working class and blue collar people voted for the blond buffoon. Talk about turkeys and Christmas.

https://youtu.be/KOY0UB6BoU4
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Applesisapples

I started this year as one of those lite green on the fence nationalists wanting to hedge by vote on a UI to see where my best interests were served (got castigated for it on another thread) I as of right now am so pissed off with the Tory Government, Boris, Brexit and the whole crock that I would vote yes and take the consequences.

johnnycool

Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2022, 08:23:38 AM
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??
It won't pass through the Lords. It's a negotiating tactic.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Denn Forever

Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2022, 08:23:38 AM
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??
It won't pass through the Lords. It's a negotiating tactic.

But won't the commons say thanks for the proof reading, but we'll just do it anyway.
I have more respect for a man
that says what he means and
means what he says...

red hander

Quote from: Denn Forever on June 28, 2022, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 28, 2022, 08:23:38 AM
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??
It won't pass through the Lords. It's a negotiating tactic.

But won't the commons say thanks for the proof reading, but we'll just do it anyway.

Will take more than a year, by which time Johnson won't be around. They really don't want a trade war with EU considering how Brexit has already made Brit economy a basket case.

weareros

Does it have to go through a third reading first where it gets scrutinised. All Tories voted for it last night  but sounds like they will lose a few at next stage.

quit yo jibbajabba

May speaks out strongly against it then abstains? Dont understand this shizzle at all.

Lots of abstainers who if theyd voted couldve meant a difference...

trailer

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 12:36:49 PM
May speaks out strongly against it then abstains? Dont understand this shizzle at all.

Lots of abstainers who if theyd voted couldve meant a difference...

Teresa May is one of the most evil politicians on the planet. She ran the home office and talked about a hostile environment for immigrants. Evil bitch.

red hander

Her opposition is all do do with Johnson knifing her between the shoulder blades rather than any great moralistic stance against the Brits' illegal actions. She's as poisonous as the rest of those Tory scum.

seafoid

Brexit is a fóidín_mearaí. , which is a  spot of ground on which one is supposed to be led astray, a cause of confusion.
It's a clusterfuck. It makes everything worse.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU